5.0 returns in the 2011 Mustang

[Skuzzy]

WOW Skuzzy, I'm impressed! Here I thought you just cursed Microsoft all day!   

I do that all day, then go home and turn wrenches.  The weekend before last I helped a friend in Austin rewire his 65 427SC.  That was fun.  I periodically join up with a bunch of Cobras (originals and kits) and go racing at some track, somewhere in Texas.

We are scheduling for March now.

[DrDea]

WOW Skuzzy, I'm impressed! Here I thought you just cursed Microsoft all day!   

Dont you know Skuzzy has l337 skilz?

[DrDea]

 Buddy of mine had a kit Cobra.That was one fine looking car.

[5PointOh]

I do that all day, then go home and turn wrenches.  The weekend before last I helped a friend in Austin rewire his 65 427SC.  That was fun.  I periodically join up with a bunch of Cobras (originals and kits) and go racing at some track, somewhere in Texas.

We are scheduling for March now.

Nice!!  I think I am going leave Ohio and go hang out with Skuzzy in March! 

[CAP1]

WOW Skuzzy, I'm impressed! Here I thought you just cursed Microsoft all day!   

+1

[CAP1]

I worked for a large auto manufacture in the R&D center.  I can honestly say your statement is wrong. Many auto mfgs in the US are using Teir 1, Teir 2, Teir 3 and Teir 4 suppliers in the US.  A good example is Honda.  There are two points of assmebly in Ohio, one engine plant where they cast engine blocks, pistons, cranks, rods, along with assembly.  Theres is a transmission plant where that cast the case, gears, check balls, and final assembly. Then onto the interior, Johnson Controls provides many interior components for Honda (along with many other mfgs) they have various factories in the US.  A company (IB-Tech) in Bucyrus Ohio manufactures the seatframes for most Honda vehicles.  What they dont do, another supplier (C-Tech) manufactures other seat frames they are based in Celina Ohio. A plastics company called Tri-Mold located near Lancaster Ohio provides interior plastics and injection molded components.  I could go on and on.

The truth is many parts are made and assembled here in the US, and even some are sent across seas for others.  The Honda Pilot, Odyessey, Acura MDX, Honda Ridgeline and all built in North America, and shipped over seas to countries like Russia, Japan, Germany, Austallia, ect ect.

And the 351M was a horrible motor for Ford, The Cleveland was used for a while through the 60-70s, the Windsor was a fabulous engine and was used in multiple vehicles up until the introduction of the modular engines.

i think he may be surprised if he has a harley any newer than 70's........where the parts came from.

[gyrene81]

Well Skuzzy, et al...I am not a Ford fan by a long stretch...but the 315M I ran for 5 years in a 1978 Ford Bronco had no problems of any type with performance or workmanship...from the dealer...it went where no other 4x4s could go...smoked all 4 33x10.50 15in tires from a dead stop...and after 75k I did a rebuild at .20 over and ran it long enough for break in then sold it. Maybe I had a one off or that motor was stamped wrong...but the serials said it was a 315M.

I agree that the 429 boss had some short sighted design flaws...I preferred the 427CJ for street competition but do some aftermarket work to fix the Ford mistakes and it was a hand full for any Chevy or Chrysler product. I purchased a 69 boss used from a guy who needed cash after owning it original for 4 years...after doing some engine and drive train work that car paid for itself in the short time I owned it and I made a little profit on the sale.

My experiences with Ford products, though not stellar...were not disappointing when it came to performance...just wish the electronics were better made.



5pointOh...maybe you can tell me where the "made in china" stamps came from on the insides of the door panels, ignition modules, seat assemblies, radio, dash board...blah blah blah...on my Chevy and Dodge cars. The only things marked "made in USA" clearly on both cars is the glass and a few after market items. There are very few automotive items still manufactured in the US, especially electronic...if Honda is using US manufacturing facilities, that would explain the higher costs...$30hr union wages vs $30/day 3rd world non-union wages is a big difference.

[CAP1]

Well Skuzzy, et al...I am not a Ford fan by a long stretch...but the 315M I ran for 5 years in a 1978 Ford Bronco had no problems of any type with performance or workmanship...from the dealer...it went where no other 4x4s could go...smoked all 4 33x10.50 15in tires from a dead stop...and after 75k I did a rebuild at .20 over and ran it long enough for break in then sold it. Maybe I had a one off or that motor was stamped wrong...but the serials said it was a 315M.

I agree that the 429 boss had some short sighted design flaws...I preferred the 427CJ for street competition but do some aftermarket work to fix the Ford mistakes and it was a hand full for any Chevy or Chrysler product. I purchased a 69 boss used from a guy who needed cash after owning it original for 4 years...after doing some engine and drive train work that car paid for itself in the short time I owned it and I made a little profit on the sale.

My experiences with Ford products, though not stellar...were not disappointing when it came to performance...just wish the electronics were better made.



5pointOh...maybe you can tell me where the "made in china" stamps came from on the insides of the door panels, ignition modules, seat assemblies, radio, dash board...blah blah blah...on my Chevy and Dodge cars. The only things marked "made in USA" clearly on both cars is the glass and a few after market items. There are very few automotive items still manufactured in the US, especially electronic...if Honda is using US manufacturing facilities, that would explain the higher costs...$30hr union wages vs $30/day 3rd world non-union wages is a big difference.

i had an f150 wth the 351/400m in it. it sucked. just as i was warned it would.

my chevy pickup with a smallblock 400 kicked its bellybutton easily. the ford couldn't break a single tier loose...it had open diffs....the chevy? easily lit em all up........

 i love my fords, but i know enough about the 351/400 series to know they suck.

 if you'd like, i can get more from a friend that's owned fords since the 50's.

 as for ford big blocks? 428 cobrajet, or one of the 427's......especially if it's the cammer.

[CAP1]

I do that all day, then go home and turn wrenches.  The weekend before last I helped a friend in Austin rewire his 65 427SC.  That was fun.  I periodically join up with a bunch of Cobras (originals and kits) and go racing at some track, somewhere in Texas.

We are scheduling for March now.

squeak 

[Skuzzy]

Well Skuzzy, et al...I am not a Ford fan by a long stretch...but the 315M I ran for 5 years in a 1978 Ford Bronco had no problems of any type with performance or workmanship...from the dealer...it went where no other 4x4s could go...smoked all 4 33x10.50 15in tires from a dead stop...and after 75k I did a rebuild at .20 over and ran it long enough for break in then sold it. Maybe I had a one off or that motor was stamped wrong...but the serials said it was a 315M.

I agree that the 429 boss had some short sighted design flaws...I preferred the 427CJ for street competition but do some aftermarket work to fix the Ford mistakes and it was a hand full for any Chevy or Chrysler product. I purchased a 69 boss used from a guy who needed cash after owning it original for 4 years...after doing some engine and drive train work that car paid for itself in the short time I owned it and I made a little profit on the sale.

My experiences with Ford products, though not stellar...were not disappointing when it came to performance...just wish the electronics were better made.
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Yes, that 351M was such a good motor, Ford dropped it in mid-79 model year and switched to offering the 302 and 351W engines in the Broncos.  That would be the last hurrah for the 'M' engines and everyone at Ford was glad to be rid of them.  It costs Ford a fortune in warranty repairs.

On a good day, Ford was replacing 25,000 engines a day under warranty.  It continued until they stopped using those motors.  All of them were spinning rod and main inserts.


You have to remember the heads for the Boss 429 were not designed nor made by Ford.  Ford contracted with AR for the head design and manufacturing.  Ford also contracted with Kar-Kraft for the final manufacturing of the engine and car.  Ford did not build nor design the Boss 429.  They had requirements for it and that was the design goal.

In the end, the whole program was a huge disappointment.

[sntslilhlpr6601]

:drool:

Well, I have the last year of the 5.0 (95). So wouldn't it be fitting for me to have the first year of the new one? 

Be a few years before I can afford one, though. Just joined the Air Force. 

I agree with the article. The new rear end is a bit easier on the eyes. Here I was thinking it had grown on me or something. 

[CAP1]

:drool:

Well, I have the last year of the 5.0 (95). So wouldn't it be fitting for me to have the first year of the new one? 

Be a few years before I can afford one, though. Just joined the Air Force. 

I agree with the article. The new rear end is a bit easier on the eyes. Here I was thinking it had grown on me or something. 

i think it looks good. i also think this car is aimed at those of us that grew up with the original mustangs. i hate them in red though......but then again, i don't tend to like red cars...which is why my futura will either be painted black, or shelby blue. 

[sntslilhlpr6601]

Sure its aimed at those that grew up with them, but you don't have to be...how can I put this...older to like the original stangs. Same with music- you just have to have good taste. Trying to make an econobox go fast or look good is no better than enjoying todays popular music. 

And yeah, I do like the new rear end. There's just something about the 05-10 rears that puts me off.

[Bronk]

The 351m is a fantastic engine....................... .





























If used as a mooring.

[Masherbrum]

Sorry, but you are way wrong about the 351M.  I worked at Ford during the 'M' fiascos.  Yes, the 400M was also a piece of junk.  A couple of the worst engines ever made.  The 351C and 351W are much better engines.  The 351W is a popular engine for hot rods today.

The confusion about the 351W centers around the three different block Ford made.  The first generation 351W block was a damn strong block and the preferred block to be used today for racers.  It has enough meat in the crank webs to machine for 4 bolts caps.

The second generation 351W block was too weak.  Ford stripped it to make it lighter for street duty.  For the street it was fine, but it cannot be used for any serious performance work.

The last generation 351W is the best one yet.  Lighter than the original, but stronger, it is still for sale under the 'Sportsman' name.

Show me a 351M running today, and I will show you an engine that is dead but does not know it yet.  The design was flawed from the start.  Not much about the 'M' family is good at all and there is a reason you will not find an 'M' engine, or any of its parts, anywhere in the Ford performance parts catalogs.


The rumor about the Boss 429 being too hot for the mom and pop mobile is just that.  Rumor.  Ford killed that engine because they did not build it and it was not a very good design.  It was meant to help them keep up with Chevy's 427, but the year it came out, Chevy upped the ante again and still killed Ford.  Ford felt they could not wring anymore out of the engine so they killed it.

The big problem was the lousy head design.  It was just bad.  Poor castings along with too many impurities in the aluminum was just the start of the problems with these heads.

Chit Skuzzy, when you aren't tripping over server cords, you damn well know your Ford engines!