Author Topic: WTG Israel (Read 15143 times)

Eagler · « **Reply #150 on:** March 23, 2004, 07:27:34 AM »

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Originally posted by moose
interesting that someone who is openly disturbed about virtual blood on AH2's cockpits can so easily condone the killing of another person.

not that i have one opinion or another on whether that guy shoulda died, but by killing him Isreal guaranteed more violence.. and now Hamas is so pissed that they've also threatened the US.

How would you feel Eagler if someone you knew was killed as part of retaliation for this?

I'm of the opinion that the US should just cut it's ties with Isreal. People wonder why so many hate the US, maybe it's because the hardware we sell to Isreal goes right to killing terrorists (and unfortuantely, any civilians around them, which is the real problem)

one is a game which i do not think the "blood spatters" add anything to except gore for the kiddies and the other my reality which i contend with daily.
yes I condone the extermination of scum whose sole purpose on this earth was to brain wash others to kill me and mine .. you suggest you stand around wringing ur hands and try to talk to the nutcase(s)?

i am glad the US supports Israel. It is the only country in the region which is half way civil and living in the 21st century

i support sending weapons and money to Israel for them to kill those who live to kill them and if they had the means would kill you and I and our families in the blind of an eye

how do you know i do not know someone who has already been killed by terrorists actions?

I forgot, you know all

Capt. Pork · « **Reply #151 on:** March 23, 2004, 07:32:28 AM »

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Originally posted by moose
I'm of the opinion that the US should just cut it's ties with Isreal. People wonder why so many hate the US, maybe it's because the hardware we sell to Isreal goes right to killing terrorists (and unfortuantely, any civilians around them, which is the real problem)

Yeah, you're right. Our appeasement of the terrorists is long overdue.

To balance out the mistakes we've made in supporting Israel's war on terror, and to win favor with all those who hate the US, we should spend the next few years selling hardware only to Hamas and the PLO--preferably Hamas since they're more pragamatic in the killing of Israelis.

Nilsen · « **Reply #152 on:** March 23, 2004, 07:35:23 AM »

"It is the only country in the region which is half way civil and living in the 21st century"

In what way Eagler? because its not Muslim? It shares your religious belives? resebles a westen lifesetyle?

careful Eagler

Capt. Pork · « **Reply #153 on:** March 23, 2004, 07:46:59 AM »

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Originally posted by Nilsen10

In what way Eagler? because its not Muslim? It shares your religious belives? resebles a westen lifesetyle?

Muslim=(for the most part) fanatically religious, secretively, if not outwardly subversive towards the US, racist and intolerant towards all non-muslim peoples, infadels, I think we're called. They'd rather sit around praying to Allah rather than create a stable world around themselves. And when the stable world doesn't create itself, they blame the West and attack Israel.

You should be the one being careful when you use words like 'religious beliefs' to describe the belief systems that govern Muslim nations. Religious isn't a strong enough word for what they have because religious beliefs don't just include the way they pray or their attitude towards liquor. Their religion is the motivator and justifier of everything they do. These are nothing short of 'life beliefs'. They are behind the times by a thousand years in this sense, and in many others(treatment of women?).

Yes, that is exactly why Israel is an important friend, ally and asset. Israel is a pragmatic nation, concerned with its success in a very practical manner. Call this attitude 'Western' if you want. I consider it the only intelligent way to exist. IN regards to Israel's place in the middle East, at least we have a vested interest in each other's success.

Minus perhaps their need to keep selling us oil, The Arab states would just as soon see the US vanish as Israel.

Eagler · « **Reply #154 on:** March 23, 2004, 07:50:04 AM »

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Originally posted by Nilsen10
"It is the only country in the region which is half way civil and living in the 21st century"

In what way Eagler? because its not Muslim? It shares your religious belives? resebles a westen lifesetyle?

careful Eagler

in every shape and way of the term

Have nothing against Islam as I have nothing against any other major faith in the world. Issues lie in mans interpretation of a given faith, many times for his own self interest

I think the issue is that there are many who stilll have a hard on for the Jewish ppl in the world - that is why the sat on their hands back in the 30's/40's when they were rounded up and gassed and that is why they cry foul everytime they try to defend themselves yet hardly make a peep when they are blown to bits in malls & buses ... poor old Pals - mean ole Israel/US

Staga · « **Reply #155 on:** March 23, 2004, 08:07:55 AM »

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Originally posted by Eagler

i am glad the US supports Israel. It is the only country in the region which is half way civil and living in the 21st century

You're also supporting a country which is using apartheid but guess that's nothing new to you americans

Nilsen · « **Reply #156 on:** March 23, 2004, 08:11:01 AM »

Yes Eagler, to many people hate jews and to many hate muslims....Lets leave it there, at something we can agree on.

mosgood · « **Reply #157 on:** March 23, 2004, 08:36:17 AM »

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Originally posted by DmdBT
And why are the ragheads so pissed? The gimp is in alla-land pounding away at his 40 virgins right now, they should be happy for the old boy.

LOL .... while I don't prescribe to the delivery methods of this point, I think it brings up a good question.

Is the anger that is shown for sending this guy to his reward, actually a sign of lack of faith? There really shouldn't be "legitimate" anger than if they truly believe that he is "in like Flinn" now and having a good time.

Of course, most ppl react that way towards death... even the ones that believe in heaven. just thinking out loud....

Krusher · « **Reply #158 on:** March 23, 2004, 09:10:15 AM »

I think the Hamas Charter pretty much says it all.

Article Thirteen PEACEFUL SOLUTIONS (PEACE) INITIATIVES AND INTERNATIONAL CONFERENCES

(Peace) Initiatives, the so-called peaceful solutions, and the international conferences to resolve the Palestinian problem, are all contrary to the beliefs of the Islamic Resistance Movement. For renouncing any part of Palestine means renouncing part of the religion; the nationalism of the Islamic Resistance Movement is part of this faith, the movement educates it members to adhere to its principles and to raise the banner of Allah over their homeland as they fight their Jihad: "Allah is the all-powerful, but most people are not aware."
From time to time a clamouring is voiced, to hold an International Conference in search for a solution to the problem. Some accept the idea, others reject it, for one reason or another, demanding the implementation of this or that conditions, as a prerequisite for agreeing to convene the Conference or for participating in it. But the Islamic Resistance Movement, which is aware of the (prospective) parties to this conference, and of their past and present positions towards the problems of the Muslims, does not believe that those conference are capable of responding to demands, or of restoring rights or doing justice to the oppressed. Those conferences are no more than a means to appoint the nonbelievers as arbitrators in the lands of Islam. Since when did Unbelievers do justice to Believers?

"And the Jews will not be pleased with thee, nor with Christians, till thou follow their creed. 'Say: Lo! the guidance of Allah (himself) is the Guidance. And if you should follow their desires after the knowledge which has come unto thee, then you would have from Allah no protecting friend nor helper."
Sura 2 (the Cow) verse 120.

There is no solution to the Palestinian problem except by Jihad. The initiative, proposals and International Conferences are but a waste of time, an exercise in futility. The Palestinian people are too noble to have their future, their right and their destiny submitted to a vain game...

Habu · « **Reply #159 on:** March 23, 2004, 09:14:50 AM »

For Dowding

"JERUSALEM, March 22 — In killing the Hamas spiritual leader, Sheik Ahmed Yassin, Israel is wagering that it has so weakened his Palestinian faction that it cannot retaliate with the wave of revenge attacks it has threatened.

After nearly two years of systematic Israeli raids against Hamas and other violent Palestinian groups, suicide bombings fell to 20 last year, down from 54 a year earlier. Over all, Israeli deaths fell by half in 2003 compared with 2002."

Nilsen · « **Reply #160 on:** March 23, 2004, 09:47:11 AM »

Clue is Crusher that even if Hamas will continue its actions no matter what, the safe havens, fundings, recruiting and general support for them will decline/go away if their opponents play by the book and practise the same morals that they preach.

Same for the US actually. After 9/11 the entire world (with a few exceptions of course) was behind the US and you were seen as the victims. When the US/Bush decided to abuse that support, the anti-US feelings started to grow. In stead of having more support after 9/11 the US now enjoys far less, and maybe less than at any time in history. That is not a good way to fight terror.

moose · « **Reply #161 on:** March 23, 2004, 10:02:24 AM »

Eagler, my bro knew someone who died in WTC2 and his best friend barely made it out alive. 9/11 struck him and our family as it must have many others. I never said that you didn't have your own connection, but try to explain to me how more violence can help bring peace.

Isolationism didn't work in 1941 because Japan viewed us as a threat to their expansion in the Pacific. Society has matured past those days for the most part, and I don't see why it wouldn't work now.

Maybe this guy shoulda died, but Isreal has been waging a war against the Palestineins for quite a while now while we looked on. How many civilain deaths for them? Are those acceptable losses? I bet they aren't to the families of those killed, who have had nothing to do with the conflict. (oh wait, i forgot that all muslims are terrorists and probably deserve this)

If China supported a country that waged a war on Catholics, would you not think Americans would be outraged? It amazes me why some people don't understand why so much of the world hates America.

moose · « **Reply #162 on:** March 23, 2004, 10:04:09 AM »

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Originally posted by Nilsen10
Clue is Crusher that even if Hamas will continue its actions no matter what, the safe havens, fundings, recruiting and general support for them will decline/go away if their opponents play by the book and practise the same morals that they preach.

Same for the US actually. After 9/11 the entire world (with a few exceptions of course) was behind the US and you were seen as the victims. When the US/Bush decided to abuse that support, the anti-US feelings started to grow. In stead of having more support after 9/11 the US now enjoys far less, and maybe less than at any time in history. That is not a good way to fight terror.

exactly

Nilsen · « **Reply #163 on:** March 23, 2004, 10:08:55 AM »

Im glad not everyone thinks im an crazy terrorist supporter moose

Like it or not folks, the war on terror is in a way a popularity contest.

Habu · « **Reply #164 on:** March 23, 2004, 10:16:34 AM »

Ok moose so humour me here.

Hamas and the radical factions over in the middle east have said the only solution is the total elimination of the state of Israel.

Now Israel is a nuclear power which has shown in the past that if they are going to be overrun they are quite willing to nuke the attacking country.

So what is your solution? Negotiations will not end anything. Appeasement will not end anything. The attitude of Hamas is keep taking what you can and killing what you can until Israel is gone.

So are you basically let Israel sit there and listen to these leaders in Hamas call for their destruction and do nothing when the suicide bombers hit them?