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Offline ramzey

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« Reply #105 on: August 03, 2004, 03:57:46 AM »
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Sorry, but the Russian refusal to allow "allies" to use Soviet air bases had one big reason: 90% of the supplies dropped by "allied" planes was seized by Germans. It's a sad truth :(

Air raids to support the Uprising were nothing but another propaganda issue :( Look at that Evil Soviets! They didn't allow us to use their bases to supply Germans! :rolleyes:

Again, it's so ally-ish. Directly supporting the force that fights USSR already on liberated territory...


beucose they drop it at night in to often changing  front lines.
How about VVS establishing air supremacy over warsaw, to let allied drop supplies at day?

 It was not impossible, still useless but not imposible

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« Reply #106 on: August 03, 2004, 11:38:05 AM »
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easym easy comerade Boroda l-)
You guys loose war in 1920 but you guys start it
Your troops was close to warsaw and we push you back and stop our forces not going too far in to russia. Som part of land was for us new. But thats was punishment and repay for your attack.
Do you think we should refuse to take som land wichone could save us from another red army raid inside our territory? ;)


On April, 25, 1920, Polish army attacked Soviet troops. On May, 6th, it took Kiev and reached left bank of Dnieper. On May, 14th, Red Army started a counter attack.

Poland was definetly an agressor in 1920. It's a fact.

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About Czech,
how do you imagine us, asking for free pass to mongholia , beucose we need to suport mongolinan fighting with japane?
Please not make me laugh, i dont think any country will let enemy army pass their territory if they are not in war with same enemy.
We where not in war with germans in 1938

Stalin did what he think was best for him, at last both, Stalin and hitler had same issue. Rule the world


USSR was the only power that offered assistance to Czechslovakia in 1938. Poland at that time was on one side with Hitler and took it's part of Czechoslovakia... :(

I love to see how the history is rewritten.

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« Reply #107 on: August 03, 2004, 12:14:34 PM »
At least Warsaw can be proud of the fact they put a resistance longer then the French :aok
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« Reply #108 on: August 03, 2004, 12:31:45 PM »
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about what enemy forces behinde russian army lines on belorussia you talking about?


I mean AK. Same force that started an Uprising. They were fighting Soviet Army behind the lines after it liberated Belorussia and Western Ukraine.

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« Reply #109 on: August 03, 2004, 01:59:05 PM »
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I think it was one of the things that led to Winter War: Stalin understood that any "allied" promises are worth nothing :(


    Man you are a joke, Stalin was the biggest opportunist on the
planet.  You're welcome for all the lend-lease equipment you
received at great cost during WW2 as well.

    Funny how little soviet equipment showed up in the western
orders of battle...that french Yak-3 unit the only one I can remember.
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« Reply #110 on: August 03, 2004, 02:00:47 PM »
grrr shouldn't have posted.
« Last Edit: August 03, 2004, 02:12:45 PM by straffo »

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« Reply #111 on: August 03, 2004, 02:08:58 PM »
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Man you are a joke, Stalin was the biggest opportunist on the
planet.  You're welcome for all the lend-lease equipment you
received at great cost during WW2 as well.

    Funny how little soviet equipment showed up in the western
orders of battle...that french Yak-3 unit the only one I can remember.


He might thank you for the trucks and spam after you thank him for Bagration and Berlin. Or Leningrad, Kursk, Stalingrad and Moscow among many others.

Come to think of it with the amount of blood spilled by the Soviets they dont owe you a thing.

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« Reply #112 on: August 03, 2004, 05:26:30 PM »
Wotan..............dont owe.


      Ok what do we owe russia for about berlin or any thing else?

     Why would  they not owe us nothing just because of the blood they lost?

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« Reply #113 on: August 03, 2004, 06:27:26 PM »
It’s the Ami idiot Rino wants a "thanks" for trucks and spam. Try reading the quote in my reply above.

Also please learn to type out your posts in coherent readable manner. I usually skip your drivel but since your above reply has so few lines I decided to try and decode it.

World War 2 was won on the Eastern Front by Soviet blood. Not because we gave them some trucks or because of D-Day or because allied bombing raids killed thousands of civilians.

Wars are won by armies on the ground. On the Eastern Front those battles were epic in size and violence. That’s were the Wehrmacht bled to death.

When Ami idiots post stupid stuff like "your welcome for lend lease" as if they are owed a "thank you" then they should be made aware that it was through the blood of the Red Army that Hitler was defeated. If they still hold to the belief that a thank you is in order then it’s not much of a stretch considering the sacrifices to demand one back. I hope it’s not to complicated for you to follow along.

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« Reply #114 on: August 03, 2004, 06:45:19 PM »
Hmmm.
On this one:
"At least Warsaw can be proud of the fact they put a resistance longer then the French "
Poland fell in a shorter time than France.
However, Norway took even longer....

And secondly:
"World War 2 was won on the Eastern Front by Soviet blood. Not because we gave them some trucks or because of D-Day or because allied bombing raids killed thousands of civilians. "

I disagree. It was a combined effort thing.
Although the biggest land battles against the Germans were won with a lot of bloodspill on the eastern front, you'd be surprized how big actually the N-African battles were as a comparison, regarding manpower I mean.
The routing of the Tunisian campaign for instance lead to 300.000 German POW's.
Add to that the factors in which the Russians participated only in small scale.
Naval warfare.
Bombing of the Reich.
The fight against Japan.

I'm pretty sure that if the Western allies had left Hitler alone, he would have conquered Russia.
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« Reply #115 on: August 03, 2004, 08:03:03 PM »
Russian should have helped but didn't.  If i remember correctly the russians outnumbered the germans by almost 3 to 1 at the end of the war.  Or was it at the beginning of Barrberosa.  Wotan is 100% correct.  the Red Army won the war in Europe.  Japan was finished off at midway.  The ABombs just speed up the vicory and saved many millions of lives.  We payed the soviets they pad us back by winning the war.  Anyone who argues otherwise does not have common sense.


I also dont think we would have won in Japan had we had to invade without russian help.
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« Reply #116 on: August 03, 2004, 08:14:00 PM »
russians lost around twenty million i think including civvies and fighting men. they really took brunt of germans military strength in first half of war. man can you imagine what happen if russia and germany go for splitting world and fight as a team?

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« Reply #117 on: August 03, 2004, 08:19:10 PM »
Wotan.......russian front....

   I do not know the story behind the reason rino said what he said.   I do know, that when an American, is pushed far enough to say something like that , it is normally because, some ungreatfull snob, who may owe his or his countrys life to the sacrifice and bloodshed of Americans, said something to demean America.

    The belief that ww2 was won on the eastern front is so moronic it defies reason. It was a combined effort:  the poor avg russian soldier was being killed by the germans in front, and the russian gestapo from the back.

     The only thing that stopped the germans from defeating russia was 1. german arrogance..2. the russian winter..3.lend lease program, which was excused from repayment.

     Trucks and spam:  Oh but you are so mistaken...We sent them almost everything they had to fight with, make a list we sent it
     Those trucks you stuck your nose up in the air about, the number we sent was amazing...Just how long do you think they could have held out with out the trucks.

      No one is impressed with your snotty responses, and I certainaly do not care if you read anything or not. It is obvious you read nothing about history.

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« Reply #118 on: August 03, 2004, 08:32:16 PM »
B17skull.........??

      In your post, among other things, you said [WE] would have lost the war with japan.

      Does that mean you are an American...

         It has been said:  It will only take one generation for
     America to lose all its freedoms.......I am afraid that
 is true..

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« Reply #119 on: August 03, 2004, 08:41:16 PM »
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of course there is a reason behind every action (or a lack of action).
 


3,000,000 Polish Jews were murded during the war.  About 50k were saved, but that is still the worst record for any Nazi occupied country.  What is the reason for that?