Author Topic: so, you helped huh? (Warsaw Uprising) (Read 6044 times)

Boroda · « **Reply #75 on:** August 02, 2004, 12:54:53 PM »

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Originally posted by Octavius

You're saying the Poles should be grateful they were forced into a communist satellite state and not forced to fight in soviet wars, instead of having the freedom to choose wtf they wanted to do?

paranoia is still this rampant?

[edit]: sorry, it's not my aim to help derail this thread. i wont post any more[/edit] [/B]

I hoped you and Bikekil will understand my sarcasm.

As for paranoia - we have some reasons to be paranoid. NATO long-range radars control most of the North-Western Russia airspace, and Leningrad is inside NATO tactical aviation range now... Can anyone tell me why? To protect fascist Baltic regimes from Evil Russians that can come and take control of their toxic smoked fish?

anonymous · « **Reply #76 on:** August 02, 2004, 12:56:09 PM »

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Originally posted by Boroda
Who is the looser?

The country that had to join an agressive military alliance to fight for some foreign interests in the Middle East. At the same time paying billions of dollars to switch to unnessesary alien military equipment.

We "enslaved" you, but look, did we make Poles fight in Afghanistan instead of Russians, Ukrainians or Kazakhs?

Didn't you learn that such "allies" are indeed worse then enemies? And now they move their bases to Poland, closer to Russian border. Do you believe they are here to "protect" you? Or maybe to make you fight with us, watching it from overseas as they did several times already?

Sorry.

sorry but need to make sure here are you comparing commie invasion of afghanistan with coalition operations in iraq? and are you saying that nato could somehow "make" the polish fight against their will? unecessary equipment? how about better equipment compatible with everyone theyll be working with if some brainwashed robot like yourself ever comes to position of power in russia again. back to the equipment whats your personal experience with sov and western infantry weapon and radios?

Boroda · « **Reply #77 on:** August 02, 2004, 12:58:18 PM »

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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Surely all Western Propoganda, right Boroda?

Definetly not.

Just as Russian POWs who were returning back home from Germany in 1918-19 through Polish terrirory. The only difference is that 90% of them didn't get out of prison camps.

anonymous · « **Reply #78 on:** August 02, 2004, 12:59:42 PM »

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Originally posted by Boroda
I hoped you and Bikekil will understand my sarcasm.

As for paranoia - we have some reasons to be paranoid. NATO long-range radars control most of the North-Western Russia airspace, and Leningrad is inside NATO tactical aviation range now... Can anyone tell me why? To protect fascist Baltic regimes from Evil Russians that can come and take control of their toxic smoked fish?

yeah were coming for you all right. thats why were spending millions every year to help you keep your nuclear aresenal secure. no wait our guys helping out are actually part of some secret op to seize all your nukes just before we attack. if youre worried about russias future and security you need to look at home thats were all your problems are. id go get some mental help though. ive got good buddies who are russian soldiers and im pretty sure even theyd think you were a loony.

Boroda · « **Reply #79 on:** August 02, 2004, 01:00:22 PM »

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Originally posted by Wotan
When the Soviets attacked Finland GB didn't do much to help their "ally" just like they did with Poland.

I think it was one of the things that led to Winter War: Stalin understood that any "allied" promises are worth nothing

anonymous · « **Reply #80 on:** August 02, 2004, 01:01:44 PM »

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Originally posted by Boroda
Definetly not.

Just as Russian POWs who were returning back home from Germany in 1918-19 through Polish terrirory. The only difference is that 90% of them didn't get out of prison camps.

sure that ninety percent figure isnt talking about german pows after second world war? and those baltic guys fighting for ss i think they just chose lesser of two evils. after all soviets killed more innocents than nazis did. ill bet they looked at it like either nazis or commies are going to rule our odds are better with the nazis.

Octavius · « **Reply #81 on:** August 02, 2004, 01:05:15 PM »

lol. Ok, yeah I missed the sarcasm.

It sounds a hell of a lot worse when reading it as it was intended. I do believe the Poles volunteered to send troops to Iraq.

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As for paranoia - we have some reasons to be paranoid. NATO long-range radars control most of the North-Western Russia airspace, and Leningrad is inside NATO tactical aviation range now... Can anyone tell me why? To protect fascist Baltic regimes from Evil Russians that can come and take control of their toxic smoked fish?

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I think your sarcasm just answered your question

demaw1 · « **Reply #82 on:** August 02, 2004, 01:05:23 PM »

Bikekil....................

Dont let boroda get to you, he is silly. But If you dont listen to the truth and stay adamit about what you feel you wont be any good to the new poland.Like I said be wise and leary and rebuild. Stop bashing america and england...churchill did all he could for poland and f.d.r. was closr to death. The only reason we did not fight russia is because fdr was to sick to handle it ,and the concentration camps just made every one sick of war.

You wondered if we could face the polish soldiers in the eye.well I did and have listened to him. Most of what you are saying he would disagree with. Do you not wonder how those same soldiers would feel hearing you say they died for nothing feeling betrayed..Wrong....they knew what they fought for.

Now grow up and make poland strong..

respectfully demaw.

anonymous · « **Reply #83 on:** August 02, 2004, 01:08:55 PM »

bikekil i read the stuff thanks for the tip was very interesting. what i got from it was poland always have strong warrior tradition. poles in warsaw know they are gonners. better to go down swinging than standing in line waiting for gas. i salute them. also modern poles treated with great respect by us german and uk military they work with. didnt know if you knew that.

Boroda · « **Reply #84 on:** August 02, 2004, 01:10:11 PM »

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Originally posted by anonymous
sorry but need to make sure here are you comparing commie invasion of afghanistan with coalition operations in iraq? and are you saying that nato could somehow "make" the polish fight against their will? unecessary equipment? how about better equipment compatible with everyone theyll be working with if some brainwashed robot like yourself ever comes to position of power in russia again. back to the equipment whats your personal experience with sov and western infantry weapon and radios?

1) Soviet assistance to Afghanistan was 100% legitimate. Compare it to your agressions against Yugoslavia and Iraq.

2) Poles already die in Iraq and Afghanistan.

3) Soviet equipment is at least as good as western, especially when produced in Poland and getting all possible support and maintnance from native engineers. JFYI: 90% of Saddam's T-72s were imported from Poland. Switching to NATO standards is just another reason to feed your military-industrial complex and kill Polish industry.

4) Both US and Russia already have brainwashed robots in position of power. At least ours didn't start any agressive war yet.

5) I can disassemble and assemble AKM with closed eyes. I also was trained as a SAM technical division officer. Not even speaking about my unfinished education as a weapon engineer (conventional warheads).

I am out of this fallometric contest, let's get back to Warsaw Uprising.

anonymous · « **Reply #85 on:** August 02, 2004, 01:16:18 PM »

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Originally posted by Boroda
1) Soviet assistance to Afghanistan was 100% legitimate. Compare it to your agressions against Yugoslavia and Iraq.

2) Poles already die in Iraq and Afghanistan.

3) Soviet equipment is at least as good as western, especially when produced in Poland and getting all possible support and maintnance from native engineers. JFYI: 90% of Saddam's T-72s were imported from Poland. Switching to NATO standards is just another reason to feed your military-industrial complex and kill Polish industry.

4) Both US and Russia already have brainwashed robots in position of power. At least ours didn't start any agressive war yet.

5) I can disassemble and assemble AKM with closed eyes. I also was trained as a SAM technical division officer. Not even speaking about my unfinished education as a weapon engineer (conventional warheads).

I am out of this fallometric contest, let's get back to Warsaw Uprising.

so you can handle an akm but never shot what its western counterparts are. never dealt with tactical comms. not an ad guy so i cant comment on sams. the poles in iraq and afghanistan were glad to be there i know i worked with some of them. they sure werent forced there they were professional soldiers to say the least. "soviet assistance to afghanistan" did that include wiping out villages of women and children to deny afhgani muj a place to eat and sleep? "soviet equipment is at least as good as western" well i dearly hope it never comes to blows between anyone and russia mainly because i know lots of russians and i like them but if it does ill sleep a little sounder knowing minds like yours are designing their warheads. it was never a contest by the way. just trying to gauge how crazy you actually are.

anonymous · « **Reply #86 on:** August 02, 2004, 01:21:28 PM »

afghanistan and yugoslavia and iraq huh. heres a comparison for you. mass murder of innocents stopped after western intervention in yugoslavia and iraq. it started with sov intervention in afghanistan. t72s and akms may not hack it against soldiers with superior training comms and gear but they do well enough against muj armed with brit bolt action rifles and women and children. they have you designing any of those mines that look like toys for little afghani kids to pick up?

Octavius · « **Reply #87 on:** August 02, 2004, 01:21:36 PM »

3) Soviet equipment is at least as good as western, especially when produced in Poland and getting all possible support and maintnance from native engineers. JFYI: 90% of Saddam's T-72s were imported from Poland. Switching to NATO standards is just another reason to feed your military-industrial complex and kill Polish industry.

If thats the case, then blame Saddam if Polish industry declines. I dont think he'll be be purchasing any more.

demaw1 · « **Reply #88 on:** August 02, 2004, 01:27:26 PM »

Boroda...............wouldnt let refuel because of faulty drops.

Boroda you are a sorry excuse for a human being . What you said about refueling is such a lie that when it got to hell the devil gave it back to earth, because it was to much for even him.

LISTEN UP: Ill tell ya all what an ally russia was. allied bombers that where shot up on bombing runs would, if they could ,rather try to make it back to england thru german defences than land in russia.Why? because russia put them in pow camps and some they charged with spying.

Listen up: the closer we got to berlin the more fire fights we had with russia. a few times german fighter pilots squads would circle above russian planes that had attacked amreican planes to watch the battle.After it was over the germans just went home......P

Octavius · « **Reply #89 on:** August 02, 2004, 01:30:26 PM »

demaw, sorry, but do you have any sources for this or are you just assuming you're correct? I'm not saying it's right or wrong, but as with many of your posts, just proclaiming "how it 'really' was" doesn't float to well and might cause some anger instead of understanding.