Tank Towns and Fighter Towns

[Morpheus]

Originally posted by Hoarach
Least myself I think it would be funny if furballers refuse to take any part in trying to win a war.  If people say that they have a goon otw, migrate to another part and let the enemy know this.  Refuse to hit vh, fhs, town, etc.  Let the enemy in and kill the goon.  Just take no part in taking bases.  If the enemy in any case seems to be losing and starting to not up, migrate to another part of the map.  Let the enemy up and kill all buffs and goon and just act stupid like you lost your vox.

Man do I think evil at times.

that's all i did when i was on line.

[NoBaddy]

Originally posted by CAV
The more I think about this, if a FT/TT can't be in it's own arena, then they have to be off in a corner away from the main battle area.

Not done because if it's in the corner, you can't provide for an equal chance to recapture lost fields. It would end up between 2 countries. If (when) the 3rd country loses its field, it would have no opportunity to recapture it.

[Mugzeee]

Originally posted by Hoarach
Least myself I think it would be funny if furballers refuse to take any part in trying to win a war.  If people say that they have a goon otw, migrate to another part and let the enemy know this.  Refuse to hit vh, fhs, town, etc.  Let the enemy in and kill the goon.  Just take no part in taking bases.  If the enemy in any case seems to be losing and starting to not up, migrate to another part of the map.  Let the enemy up and kill all buffs and goon and just act stupid like you lost your vox.

Man do I think evil at times.

See how the current "pull the community together" setup works so well?

[Mugzeee]

Originally posted by Hoarach
Its not a duel arena.  Duel arena is for 1v1 not 50v50.

If the furballers had their own area to have their fun, then the base takers would be very lonely people.  Majority of AH is still made up of furballers.  Many times furballers are forced to do base taking as them base taking fun police kill fhs forcing a fight to die.

 I think you are mistaken sir. There are plenty of tool sheders that would hand your arse to you on a silver platter. They just chose to fight the War most of the time.

[AutoPilot]

The DA is basically a set of 1v1 fights. A furball is something quite different.

I have too disagree,not too long ago we ran a scenario in the DA called Tank Klubb,4 weeks in a row we had over 30 guys show up each weds. night we did the scenario.Sometimes we had over 30 guys show up,we would pick teams spawn out to the designated area and fight.Now if myself and a bunch of GV'ers can do this why can't the furballers?

This was all organized by word of mouth.I see all these guys typin how they should get together with the other  pilots and meet in a location so they can furball,why not the DA.There is no moderator in there to tell any of you any different.

[Wax]

Anyone have an Aspirin:D

[Jackal1]

How bout some Malox Wax?
OK..OK.....Tank Town ....I get it, but doesn`t FT stand for fighter town? Just asking.
So if that`s true and everyone goes there to do some L33t fighting, then why are the bombers a problem? Is there a .cantkillbombers command used in FT or what?

[Donzo]

Originally posted by NoBaddy
The upshot of our conversation was that the fields had to be capturable and I couldn't prevent planes from flying into it (yeah, I thought about 40k mountains....I can only imagine the whines ). His reasoning was that it would cause problems with the "win the war" code AND that it would create seperate, insulated communities if the fields were uncapturable.

Does "win the war" require that a country be down to only one airfield?
No?  
Then what is the problem with making the mountains extremely high, thus preventing bombers from coming in from the outside?

[mars01]

I have too disagree,not too long ago we ran a scenario in the DA called Tank Klubb,4 weeks in a row we had over 30 guys show up each weds. night we did the scenario.Sometimes we had over 30 guys show up,we would pick teams spawn out to the designated area and fight.Now if myself and a bunch of GV'ers can do this why can't the furballers?

This was all organized by word of mouth.I see all these guys typin how they should get together with the other pilots and meet in a location so they can furball,why not the DA.There is no moderator in there to tell any of you any different.

Been there done that, doesn't work.  DA is not a Viable solution.  End of story.  The main meeting place is the MA.  Except for griefers like Waffle most seem to play by the unspoken rules.  Why fo people that don't furball care so much.  As most have stated, shedders can have the whole map to avoid each other all we want is a FT.


Jack we are in FT to fight each other, not chase stoopid bombers.  Do we do it?  Yes.  Do some sneak in?  Yes.  Am I going to climb to 20k to intercept bombers?  Heck No!

But, if what the furballers are asking for, is to be able to furball any place on the maps and not be interupted in the main battle areas... then I think you are asking for a lot

No one is asking for this.  Give us 3 fields where we can fight and griefers like Waffle can't mess it up and this whole stupid argument goes away.  Why HTC doesn't get this escapes me.

[Zaphod]

Originally posted by Jackal1
How bout some Malox Wax?
OK..OK.....Tank Town ....I get it, but doesn`t FT stand for fighter town? Just asking.
So if that`s true and everyone goes there to do some L33t fighting, then why are the bombers a problem? Is there a .cantkillbombers command used in FT or what?

Not everyone in FT/TT considers themselves "L33T" fighter/GV'ers.  It just happens to be fun on occasion to go do mindless furballing.  To complain about someone who's actions are taken soley to ruin the fun of others does not constitute a "L33T" attitude in and of itself.  I would guess that the "L33T" attitude exists with certain players from all playstyles, not the least of which being players in the group who prefers disruption of other's gameplay to anything else.  I suspect that most "greifers" or disruptive players are the ones with the biggest chip on their shoulder over not being able to live up to their own "L33T" opinion of themselves.

I don't know that anyone is saying that a bomber flying around in FT is a problem in and of itself.  It's more the players that take bombers over to the FT bases with the sole purpose of killing all the fighter hangers.  

I think flying bombers in FT is actually just fine.  It would be good practice for defending a bomber and good practice for those who want to kill a bomber.  I'm not entirely sure that a bomber hitting strats at FT/TT bases is bad either since it doen't completely stop the fight.  

The issue is the folks that show up in TT/FT and whack the VH/FH just to be a problem causer or gain attention for themselves.  It's really very clear that the only reason that it is being done is to cause problems much of the time.  If your curious as to how to tell the difference....turn on ch. 200 or read up on some of the replies posted in this thread by those who support the practice of killing/capturing TT/FT bases.  It appears (from what the folks who do this say) to be nothing more than an attempt to gain attention, get revenge or force a certain playstyle or some combination of those reasons.  There is no other valid reason to act like that.  Certainly having  players fighting in FT does nothing to effect a another player's ability to go bomb, capture airfields (makes it easier many times in fact), work with others as a team to accomplish some goal etc. as the entire map exists with the exception of THREE bases do these things.  The same arguement exists for TT to a certain extent.

It's essentially just rude behavior that occurs because an effective way of dealing with griefers has yet to found.

Zaphod

[FALCONWING]

Wow do we take the same thread and reup it every 2 weeks??


While i am not a fan of taking FT or TT bases...waste of time imho...i am laughing at the absolute hypocrisy of some of these posters.

1)   The night the bish took the FT base under waffle's lead we were fiting 3-4 darbars of both nits and rooks all night.  I spent the whole night with my squad porking troops across the frontlines.  Not really why i pay the money each month, but it was better then getting rolled.  BoPs didnt join that mission as i really dont see the adv of it (pushes more rooks out to gang us).  None of the rooks or nits seemed to have any problem ganging US, but when the FT base was taken, we were ruining THEIR fun.  My fun and im sure the fun of most of us is to have fair fights across the map...except for our missions you will find us fiting the tougher bases.

2) last night the dear STANG who is weighing in here was on ch 200 taunting the bish while we were 30 countries less then either rooks or nits.  This was while he was taunting bish about hordes while rooks had 3.5 darbar vs one bish darbar????

3)as for morpheus who i wont miss a lick describing the bops as a newbie horde squad...all i can say is that we have kept more guys in the game by giving them a way to have fun and gain skills while accomplishing something.  A BoP has something to look forward too besides flying alone.
Our mission train new guys to work together and enjoy the game.  Would i rather i was in a squad that just flew fiters and could pick and choose countries based on where we would have the most fun???  that is where i have the most fun for sure is when im winging some pals in fiters and chopping guys down.  When numbers are even or we have the lead in bases, that is where you will find me.

So to sum up a lengthy post....it would be great if hitech made TT and FT bases uncapturable,,,also if he made 20 bases per map each country uncapturable and let the natural rotation change maps instead of victory.  I still had the most fun in AWC...no capturable bases and strat targets for the buffs....airplane factories to bomb to kill spits.  guess what happend if a country is being ganged by another back then....NOTHING...you could walk away from an unfair fight and never worry about a base disappearing...instead you saw a much more even distribution of players dogfting each other.

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by mars01

Jack we are in FT to fight each other, not chase stoopid bombers.  Do we do it?  Yes.  Do some sneak in?  Yes.  Am I going to climb to 20k to intercept bombers?  Heck No!
 

OK.........I`ve done laid the smack down to HT in the other thread.
I guess I need to add to my list............No more bombers in FT , but fighters can`t shoot down bombers on the rest of the map. Them there must be real bomber type guys you are talking about. Everywhere else on the BBS the guys are complaining about the low alt bombers. Man this si confusing, but I`ll get HT lined out.
Until these changes are implimented I think it would lower your stress level to come to Texas and give me some airtime in your Pitts. Just trying to help yaknow.

[Zaphod]

Originally posted by AutoPilot
I have too disagree,not too long ago we ran a scenario in the DA called Tank Klubb,4 weeks in a row we had over 30 guys show up each weds. night we did the scenario.Sometimes we had over 30 guys show up,we would pick teams spawn out to the designated area and fight.Now if myself and a bunch of GV'ers can do this why can't the furballers?

This was all organized by word of mouth.I see all these guys typin how they should get together with the other  pilots and meet in a location so they can furball,why not the DA.There is no moderator in there to tell any of you any different.

In terms of setting up a situation with other players yes this is possible to do.  It is however not particulary easy to do many times and not very practical.  Certainly you are very limited since it can only be done at scheduled times and not everyone can meet on the same schedule.  

This is still very different from a furball in FT or a GV fight in TT.  Basically in the MA, in FT or TT, you log in and jump into the fight whenever a map with FT or TT exists.  No scheduling, no rules of engagement in terms of "check 6's", Ho's on merge etc.  It's just a big free for all and it's just a FUN thing to do.

The DA is not a furball arena...it is setup to be a 1 v 1 style of gameplay so 99% of the time this is what is going on in there.   You can't just jump into the DA and start "furballing" short of the rare occasion mentioned above and then only with some scheduling.

The vulching/picking/bad language issues in the DA were being dealt with yesterday (02/20 at about 4pm EST)...and it was quite the relief.  So I'm not sure how true the statement "there is no moderator" is anymore.

I think that very few people would support a true "furball only" style of arena.  The reason that the MA is so popular is the essense of online gameplay....the number of players there and the freedom to play the varied styles of gameplay (without having to change to another arena).  To come into a community with the primary goal of "disruption" is ridiculous.  To expect NOT to have people calling those individuals out concerning their behavior is ignorant.

Disruptive behavior with the sole purpose of negatively affecting the gameplay of others is NOT a style of gameplay.  It's just disruptive behavior...I would expect one to get called out on it when one does it.

Zaphod

[Hoarach]

Originally posted by FALCONWING

2) last night the dear STANG who is weighing in here was on ch 200 taunting the bish while we were 30 countries less then either rooks or nits.  This was while he was taunting bish about hordes while rooks had 3.5 darbar vs one bish darbar????

3)as for morpheus who i wont miss a lick describing the bops as a newbie horde squad...all i can say is that we have kept more guys in the game by giving them a way to have fun and gain skills while accomplishing something.  A BoP has something to look forward too besides flying alone.
Our mission train new guys to work together and enjoy the game.  Would i rather i was in a squad that just flew fiters and could pick and choose countries based on where we would have the most fun???  that is where i have the most fun for sure is when im winging some pals in fiters and chopping guys down.  When numbers are even or we have the lead in bases, that is where you will find me.

So to sum up a lengthy post....it would be great if hitech made TT and FT bases uncapturable,,,also if he made 20 bases per map each country uncapturable and let the natural rotation change maps instead of victory.  I still had the most fun in AWC...no capturable bases and strat targets for the buffs....airplane factories to bomb to kill spits.  guess what happend if a country is being ganged by another back then....NOTHING...you could walk away from an unfair fight and never worry about a base disappearing...instead you saw a much more even distribution of players dogfting each other.

Just to reply to your 2nd though, seeing a dar bar doesnt accurately give the number of people in that sector.  All the bish maybe in that 1 sector and if spread out would equal the 3.5 sectors the rooks have just as if the rooks were all put in one sector all you would see is 1 dar bar.  

Look at the 475th, all we do is furball.  We dont take bases unless we have to get a fight going.

If the furballers were given their own area on a map, I can see the toolshedders and base takers being very lonely.

[NoBaddy]

Originally posted by Donzo

Then what is the problem with making the mountains extremely high, thus preventing bombers from coming in from the outside?

Hmm.....because HT said I couldn't do that?