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« Reply #90 on: March 10, 2006, 01:40:07 PM »
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OK, my bad.  I should know better than try to explain how I see things.  Lets continue the conversation when you develop the ability to carry one.  You do realise that I was not responding to you?  

Keep plaing the game the way you like, believe it or not, no one has ever tried to stop you from doing that.  but as long as you are trying to stop me from playing the game, I will make sure you have a reall reason to come in here and cry.  First 3 shorties every night from now on will be ord porking.  I'll see how many others I can get to do it.  No whining though, ok?  This is a war, and in real life ord was a target.  I would expect you to be hitting my fuel, FH hangers, church and virtual home.

One last thing.  What chess piece do you fly for?  I'd like to start with yours first if that is OK with you.


Thanks, dedalos, I needed the chuckle.

I’m not trying to stop anyone from playing the game.  I’m trying to get back to a more interesting game.  A game like AH1 was.

It may interest you to know that ordnance is one of my primary targets.  It depends on the current need of my team in an area as to whether I put it on a priority basis or not.

To answer your question, I fly Knights and all I can say is, bring it. :lol  Better yet, up a fighter and try to shoot me down.  I think you'd be good at it and that might be more fun for you than trying to convince a bunch of your friends to go porking fields with you.  In any case, no "shorties" please.  The graphic image that brings to mind is more information than I need to know.

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« Reply #91 on: March 10, 2006, 02:16:26 PM »
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II believe my view “is more right” than yours because my view is an overall view.  It is not restricted by a special interest, in your case fighters.  I’m not solely into bombers, fighters, or gv’s.  


Tour 74.  Total hours 20:14:01  Time in fighters 00:00:17
Tour 73. Total hours  81:25:40   Time in fighters 01:01:26

My appologies sir.  You are an over all player and your view is more right
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Dedalos pretty much ruined DA.

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« Reply #92 on: March 10, 2006, 02:19:32 PM »
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Better yet, up a fighter and try to shoot me down.  


Even better, grab a fighter and try to stop me.  Oh, wait.  You can't.  FHs will be down and hopefully fuel will be gone.
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« Reply #93 on: March 10, 2006, 02:37:46 PM »
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Tour 74.  Total hours 20:14:01  Time in fighters 00:00:17
Tour 73. Total hours  81:25:40   Time in fighters 01:01:26

My appologies sir.  You are an over all player and your view is more right


Let me try to explain this to you.  I said that my view was overall, not that I was an overall player.  For instance even though I spend most of my time in bombers, you don’t see me asking for ordnance to have a minimum of 75% or advocating the ammo bunkers be made invulnerable.  Remember; when a base has no ordnance, no bomber ups from that base until it does.  Sort of makes bomber hangers superfluous.  Anyway, I think it’s right that a bomber shouldn’t be able to up if there’s no ordnance.  I like that.  It makes the game more interesting.

By contrast I do not see people such as yourself advocating for anything other than your favorite ride.

I’m an advocate for all forms of play in the game, not just one.  For instance, I’d like to see a method developed to make it impossible for heavy bombers to dive bomb.  It just doesn’t seem right that they should be able to.  Unfortunately HT believes that anything he does in this direction will be worked around those who like to dive bomb with heavy bombers.

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« Reply #94 on: March 10, 2006, 02:40:38 PM »
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Even better, grab a fighter and try to stop me.  Oh, wait.  You can't.  FHs will be down and hopefully fuel will be gone.


:lol Stop you from doing what?

You're seriously telling us that you can't up a fighter because you can't find a field with the hangers up?!:confused:

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« Reply #95 on: March 10, 2006, 03:51:42 PM »
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:lol Stop you from doing what?
 


From taking out ord :rolleyes:
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« Reply #96 on: March 10, 2006, 04:29:34 PM »
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Let me try to explain this to you.  I said that my view was overall, not that I was an overall player.  For instance even though I spend most of my time in bombers, you don’t see me asking for ordnance to have a minimum of 75% or advocating the ammo bunkers be made invulnerable.  Remember; when a base has no ordnance, no bomber ups from that base until it does.  Sort of makes bomber hangers superfluous.  Anyway, I think it’s right that a bomber shouldn’t be able to up if there’s no ordnance.  I like that.  It makes the game more interesting.


When have you seen for the last time a field without Ammo ?

I don't remember when I've seen it last.


Plus without bomb you can still defend and even be offensive when without fuel you can't do anything.

I see you registred in december 2005, I guess you're pretty newbie what did happen with the 25% fuel was like the MAD theory

The outcome  was either a country with 25% vulched to stone age or a stale  front line if the both country had the same 25% fuel available.

May I remember you it's a combat simulator not a point and click game ?

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« Reply #97 on: March 10, 2006, 04:46:56 PM »
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  What I spent 20 minutes getting up to altitude and speed to do.  Yes, I do get three planes before I have to go back to the tower, but the fighters also get three nice big, slow moving, slow maneuvering , juicy targets to claim kills off of.

 


With frickin' lazer beams in the hulls. And at full military power, they aren't that slow. So I climb for 10 minutes, spend another 10 minutes trying to run them down and then have what? 12 .50 cal Brownings with a crap load of ammo run by one gunner. And How many rounds does it take to down a fighter Vs. a bomber? I've hit the things with 5 rounds of 37 mm and they still fly off.

And your whining? Sheese........


i dont got enough perkies as it is and i like upen my lancs to kill 1 dang t 34 or wirble its fun droping 42 bombs

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« Reply #98 on: March 10, 2006, 06:22:16 PM »
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From taking out ord :rolleyes:


:huh But I thought you realized you had my blessing to take down ordnance.  I even told you which country I fly for per your request.  You can confirm that by looking at the roster.  I don't switch countries.

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« Reply #99 on: March 10, 2006, 06:44:07 PM »
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When have you seen for the last time a field without Ammo ?

I don't remember when I've seen it last.


Plus without bomb you can still defend and even be offensive when without fuel you can't do anything.

I see you registred in december 2005, I guess you're pretty newbie what did happen with the 25% fuel was like the MAD theory

The outcome  was either a country with 25% vulched to stone age or a stale  front line if the both country had the same 25% fuel available.

May I remember you it's a combat simulator not a point and click game ?


With 25% fuel you can defend, you just can't go out on the offensive if your destination is too distant unless you’re in bombers or a long legged fighter.  As I previously stated in this thread, I’ve spoken with a furballer who didn’t mind 25% fuel at all and felt he defended quite well with it.

You can take ordnance down to 0%.  You could do it in AH1 too.  In AH1 you couldn’t take fuel below 25%.  In other words you could ground bombers, but you couldn’t ground fighters.

If you haven’t seen a field without ordnance, all the ammo bunkers down, then you haven’t been looking.  They happen all over and I’m one of the guys that takes them down.

Yep, you’re right.  I registered in December of 2005.  That’s my most recent registration.  I played AH1 for three years, took a hiatus and now I’m back.  That gives me a fair amount of experience.  For the record I upped fighters back then with 25% fuel and did fairly well.  My preferred ride at that time was the Yak 9U.  Fast and maneuverable.  It was a little restrictive, but I accepted the situation as part of the game and a part that made the game more interesting than it is now.  It’s called strategy.

There never was a time in AH1 where a country was vulched to the stone age or the stale front line you describe unless they were completely over run and about to lose.  That still happens in AH2 today.  The game was always in motion and in a constant state of change.

I’m sure you meant to remind me instead of remember me that it’s a combat simulator.  May I remind you that it is more than a combat simulator.  It is a WWII combat simulator and as such was conceived as a war game, not a flight combat simulator.  Ground vehicles, boats and ships, fighter aircraft and bombers all meant to work together in a war simulator, not a flight combat simulator.  I’m glad you mentioned point and click because I think the changes to AH2 have leaned the game in that direction.  Did you really consider AH1 to be a point and click game?

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« Reply #100 on: March 10, 2006, 07:08:11 PM »
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With frickin' lazer beams in the hulls. And at full military power, they aren't that slow. So I climb for 10 minutes, spend another 10 minutes trying to run them down and then have what? 12 .50 cal Brownings with a crap load of ammo run by one gunner. And How many rounds does it take to down a fighter Vs. a bomber? I've hit the things with 5 rounds of 37 mm and they still fly off.

And your whining? Sheese........


The guns on bombers are far from lasers, particularly in AH2.  You’ll find elsewhere in this thread a post on that very issue.  Gun convergence is now permanently set at 500 for bombers and the gun solution for bombers is completely different in AH2 versus AH1.  This comes straight from Skuzzy.  The over all effect has been to nerf the bomber guns in AH2.  Their fire is now dispersed rather than set to a point as is the case with a fighter.

If you’re taking 20 minutes to catch a bomber formation, you’re taking the wrong plane.  Try a faster one.  P-38’s are great. Good climb and ample speed to catch the bombers.    A Hurricane can do it, but it takes forever to get them to altitude and catch up.  I’ve watched them do it and I almost feel bad when they finally get there and I shoot them down.  Almost.  I’m able to shoot them down despite their four 20mm cannon because they’re newbie’s.  Only a newbie would use the Hurricane in that fashion and their attack shows it.  You might also try attacking in a different fashion than sitting out on a bombers six pounding away.  You’re right in the bombers primary kill zone and you are going to get shot down.

It takes more rounds to down a bomber than it does to down a fighter.  However if you have pumped 5 rounds of 37mm into a bomber with no effect, then you are flat out doing it wrong.  In short, you’re hitting it in the wrong place or more likely you’re hitting it in a bunch of places that are all wrong.  If you hit any of the bombers critical areas with that kind of fire power, the bomber will go down.  If you just strafe a bombers fuselage, you’re more than likely going to fail even though there are some critical areas in the fuselage as well.

A fighter has the speed and maneuverability.  It can attack and withdraw at its leisure.  There isn’t a fighter in the game that can’t take down bombers.  Fighters have the capability to take bombers down with barely a scratched.  Now doesn’t that make sound like a fair deal that the bombers take more punishment?  Don’t believe me?  Ask Ack-Ack.  He did it all the time with his P38.

And you’re whining?!  :huh  Sheesh!!!

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« Reply #101 on: March 10, 2006, 07:13:50 PM »
Chopsaw and Dedalos...geez, get a room or some instant messenger going on!  LOL

This thread has a few gems of good ideas tho.  Clearly strat targets that have meaningful values and hardness is needed.  Sorely.  

 Its not my intention to unbalance anything.  I just have an issue with the hardness of fuel being the way it is now, while ordinace can be knocked away very very easily.  Those who disagree with that, simply go see for yourself and try it.  Any cannon bird can annihilate ordinance in serveral quick swoops.

I havent seen anyone from HTC chime in as to what we can hope to see in the future in regards to this issue.

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« Reply #102 on: March 10, 2006, 07:16:04 PM »
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what ever works for a new computer right?   lol

I think it should be ready by the middle of next week.  When I went to the computer store on Tuesday, the tech said he would order the parts that morning and the venders should have them shipped out by that afternoon and should have start arriving yesturday.  So hopefully they can start assembly tomarrow (friday).  They'll spend a day or two testing so since they are closed on Sundays and Mondays, i'm looking at Tuesday or Wednesday before the blessed arrival.  In the mean time, i'm not handling AHII withdrawls very well  I see Bish and Rooks in my sleep, I think it's sleep, im not sure anymore:noid


Hehe.  You still couldn't hit a bull in the arse with a shovel. :D

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« Reply #103 on: March 10, 2006, 07:16:23 PM »
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I’ve spoken with a furballer who didn’t mind 25% fuel at all and felt he defended quite well with it.


WOW!!! 1 whole furballer!@!@#!@ That's plenty of info to base your assumption on:lol
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« Reply #104 on: March 10, 2006, 08:08:00 PM »
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WOW!!! 1 whole furballer!@!@#!@ That's plenty of info to base your assumption on:lol


Now see?  This is why I have to explain things carefully to you.  I also said I had defended bases myself with 25% fuel in a Yak9U. Amazing, I know.  I actually flew a fighter.  Today I took out two Rooks with a 110.  What the heck is the world coming to?!  I would have thought you’d realize I’ve spoken with more than one furballer on this subject and did so back when 25% fuel was in effect.  Since you didn’t, let me tell you.  I’ve spoken with more than one furballer and did so back when 25% fuel was in effect.

I hope the above makes you feel better and cures your bad case of the giggles.  Let us know how it turns out.