Author Topic: And people think _'s are bad? (Read 2286 times)

AtmkRstr · « **Reply #75 on:** October 03, 2002, 04:30:38 PM »

Regarding the 109G-2's swastika:

.."the old Finnish Air Force national insignia, the blue swastika, which dates back to 1918, when Swedish count Eric von Rosen donated the first aircraft for the Finnish Air Force. The blue swastika was the old Hindu lucky sign that the Rosen family used and had nothing to do with the later Nazi swastika."

http://www.sci.fi/~fta/me-fin-1.htm

MotorOil · « **Reply #76 on:** October 03, 2002, 04:32:34 PM »

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the constitution doesn't apply to a privately owned enterprise. HTC is free to boot/ban whomever whenever for whyever and whatever they want.

I'm sure that's in the HT's disclaimer. HT does have thier own image to protect and that's thier right.

I'm talking a little beyond the realm of HT with regards to "Free Speech"

ygsmilo · « **Reply #77 on:** October 03, 2002, 04:46:13 PM »

Can't believe you guys let Sandman troll you like this.

He knows history,,,,,,,,

Arlo · « **Reply #78 on:** October 03, 2002, 04:48:28 PM »

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Originally posted by funkedup
Waffen SS were elite combat troops, not the guys running the ovens and camps.

They were Waffen SS because of the roll of the die. Chances are it was a roll they lost. Do you really think the SS soldiers on the Eastern front wouldn't have traded places with the ones at Auswitz without giving it a second thought and considering themselves lucky to boot? Sure, someone plays the "bad guys" but they don't hafta roleplay a Nazi to do it. The SS was a political organization. Every facet of it.

"Well, SOMEbody's gotta be the bad guy!"

And on a different note elsewhere in the thread:

There's plenty of room to leave the SS out of the entire game. Having a tank represented in the vehicle list isn't justifiable cause to claim the game either requires or approves of players worshipping Nazi symbolism and rhetoric. It's rationalization ... and not even a good attempt at it.

"Well, they got a panzer tank in the game and there was an SS unit that used panzers! Duh!"

Furious · « **Reply #79 on:** October 03, 2002, 05:15:05 PM »

Did Funked just say that Indians were Nazi's?

F.

Sandman · « **Reply #80 on:** October 03, 2002, 07:46:48 PM »

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Originally posted by ygsmilo
Can't believe you guys let Sandman troll you like this.

He knows history,,,,,,,,

Shush... you'll spook 'em.

J_A_B · « **Reply #81 on:** October 03, 2002, 07:50:05 PM »

"the real point is whether HTC is going to do anything about it. i'll be watching with real interest."

As will I Shane.

J_A_B

ALF · « **Reply #82 on:** October 03, 2002, 08:23:50 PM »

And to this pathetic threat let me add YAWN

Non issue

If this is what gets you excited....SS ????

Do you have any idea how many handles start with SS in the game? Is it the combination of the waffen? Whatever.

Shane · « **Reply #83 on:** October 03, 2002, 09:11:34 PM »

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Originally posted by ALF
And to this pathetic threat let me add YAWN
Non issue
If this is what gets you excited....SS ????
Do you have any idea how many handles start with SS in the game? Is it the combination of the waffen? Whatever.

people like you made good germans who stood by and let atrocities against an entire population occur, if not outright active participants in it.

as far as I know there's never been an American ship or submarine called the waffen.

yeah, tard it's that specific combination.

what size are you? the brownshirt tailors need to know.

ALF · « **Reply #84 on:** October 03, 2002, 10:04:15 PM »

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Originally posted by Shane

people like you made good germans who stood by and let atrocities against an entire population occur, if not outright active participants in it.

I am in favor of free speach, and opposed to censorship based on nothing but someones "opinion". There are many people out there who have handles starting with SS, but you take exception to this one because it also has the German word for "weapon" in it?

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as far as I know there's never been an American ship or submarine called the waffen.

So if there had been its ok... does this make any sense?

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yeah, tard it's that specific combination.
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May I please have your list of "approved" names to go with SS. Hmmm....now that sounds rather ironic doesnt it.

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what size are you? the brownshirt tailors need to know.

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For someone who professes to be so offended by a word, I find that last statement to be quite telling, especially when you so carelessly throw around a word that embodies all you claim to find so offensive.

I would request you refraine from personal attacks (especially those as obscenely rude as the above) on the message board. It adds nothing to your argument, but detracts greatly from the community.

wulfie · « **Reply #85 on:** October 03, 2002, 10:14:17 PM »

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Originally posted by Arlo

They were Waffen SS because of the roll of the die. Chances are it was a roll they lost. Do you really think the SS soldiers on the Eastern front wouldn't have traded places with the ones at Auswitz without giving it a second thought and considering themselves lucky to boot?

Ummm, either you are a blatant liar or you are posting on a topic you know nothing about, which makes you (in this case) an idiot.

No discussion is well served by the presence of those who have no knolwedge of the topic.

Mike/wulfie

Shane · « **Reply #86 on:** October 03, 2002, 10:52:46 PM »

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Originally posted by wulfie
Ummm, either you are a blatant liar or you are posting on a topic you know nothing about, which makes you (in this case) an idiot.
No discussion is well served by the presence of those who have no knolwedge of the topic.
Mike/wulfie

please feel free to enlighten us about the heroes of the Waffen SS. Be sure to include those fine fellows at Oradur-sur-Glane, Malmedy and Stavelot just to name a few.

Bluedog · « **Reply #87 on:** October 03, 2002, 11:25:17 PM »

If something you see offends you, and wether or not that thing is there is beyond your control, dont look at it.

Why is the swastika, or German/Nazi orientated names any more offensive than the 'meatball' on Japanese planes? Or someone using the name of a Japanese ace? You cant tell me the Japs were a nice, humane, friendly bunch of blokes in WWII.
And what about the British roundel...hell, those blokes torched Dresden....and the star and bar of the US? They just nuked a couple of cities, nothin' unsociable about that.
The Russian star? yep, the Ruskies were incredibly decent to the people of the German territories they occupied.
My own countrymen regularly straffed survivers in liferafts after attacking Japanes shipping, no one is exactly 'innocent'.

Face it, by playing a world war two air combat simulation/game, we are in effect 'pretending' to involve ourselves in a situation where several million of Earth's young men did their damndest to kill one another, there aint a hell of a lot about ANY of it that ISNT offensive........but damn it's fun when it's securely locked away behind my monitor's glass.

To get righteously offended and all high and mighty about a name, due to it's connection to something that happened more than half a century ago, during a conflict that brought out the worste in all mankind, is, quite frankly, strange, if you ask me.
Blue

PS AKSwulfe......cool screenshot, you know what they say about a picture being worth a thousand words.
Personally, I myself, would have run farther away from the burning 100 octane fuel before I did the "Thank the Lord and do a Russian crouchy, kicky, dancy thingamy"

Arlo · « **Reply #88 on:** October 04, 2002, 12:18:33 AM »

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Originally posted by wulfie

Ummm, either you are a blatant liar or you are posting on a topic you know nothing about, which makes you (in this case) an idiot.

No discussion is well served by the presence of those who have no knolwedge of the topic.

Mike/wulfie

Lies! Lies! All lies!

Here's some more for you to foam over:

"Hitler also decreed that as Party formations, the Waffen SS belonged neither to the Wehrmacht nor the police. Instead he defined them as a standing armed force of the SS, available for any special tasks of a political nature that he might determine. Hitler ordered that the Waffen SS be subject to all ideoligical and political criteria laid down by him for the party."

This was from a fuhrer decree of August 17, 1938 that allowed for the organization of armed SS units under the control of Himmler who was responsible for training them into a state of combat readiness.

Here's the specific oath members of the SS (all members) had to take in addition to (and superceding) any other oath:

"I swear by God this sacred oath that I shall render unconditional obedience to Adolf Hitler, the Führer of the German Reich, supreme commander of the armed forces, and that I shall at all times be prepared, as a brave soldier, to give my life for this oath."

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"Hey, Fritz, you lucky bastard! You're getting rotated to the rear for light duty. All you'll hafta do is stand guard over some Jews!"

At which point, Fritz, being the upstanding humanitarian he was, shot himself in the head.
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"Liar, liar, pants on fire!"

Arlo · « **Reply #89 on:** October 04, 2002, 12:21:05 AM »

"The whole world's bad! The whole world's mad! Nazis one and all. So let's all give our blessing boys and have ourselves a ball!"