General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: rpm on November 18, 2015, 12:00:41 AM
Title: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: rpm on November 18, 2015, 12:00:41 AM
Honestly I'm sick and tired of participating in the constant gangbang that this game has become. Arena numbers are horrible and unless you want to abandon your squad and jump countries it's a nonstop thrashing. Tonight there wasn't a single fight between Rooks and Knights. The goal apparently was to take all the Bish bases and make gameplay horrible for them. The overnights are even worse. A few milkrunners taking strats down to nothing then deack bases one after the other. The ack stays down for hours. If you try to defend they jump you with numbers. If you try to resupply they just take bases unopposed. Night after night after night.
This stuff used to happen occasionally, now it's the norm. Seriously questioning why I continue to subscribe. The answer is hanging out with my squad because they are a great group, but they're tired of this crap, too. We're all questioning why we continue to feed HTC for junk gameplay. Why doesn't HTC just kill the Bish and make it Rooks v Knights? The way it is now just stinks.
I'm hoping the new version will change what's happening, but honestly, I'm not sure I'll hang around long enough to see it released. Been a subscriber since 2001 but not for much longer if something doesn't change.
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: DmonSlyr on November 18, 2015, 12:23:22 AM
I had some great fights tonight.
The knights and rooks were fighting for a while but the bases were far and the fights were too high. The rooks ended up getting hoarded. But it was too far of a flight and either way the cons were too high and made for slow fights.
Personally, I've been flying on the bish side a lot and that's where a lot of action is. Although, they do have their hoarding moments too. Tonight I was on knights and bish gave us the best fights.
I'm my opinion, its the lack of teamwork that keeps you from having fun. Instead of rolling 25 deep from another base to intercept the hoard, they roll at one base and get vulched. Better teamwork and coordination would help you out in order to find more action.
It really depends on how well you play the game, what planes you fly, and your patients while flying in order to not get cought up by the gang. Bish had it rough tonight, but y'all could have easily set up intercept missions with 262s and beat the hoard, but I guess it's all about how you look at it....
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: zack1234 on November 18, 2015, 01:46:32 AM
It's you not the game
I am on team speak with some of the loose mooses.
They are all johnny foreigners but it's a cross i can bare.
If they got rid of the tool of the devil the Brewster the game would improve.
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: rpm on November 18, 2015, 02:32:45 AM
No, it's not just me. I see this night after night. The Bish do win a map now and then, I'm not saying they don't. But the regularity of getting strats pummeled and bases milkrunned has become the norm, especially in the overnight hours. When your ack stays down for an hour or more and you can only resup 10 minutes at a time, it's impossible when you're outnumbered and being hit on 2 fronts.
If I was a Knight, Rook or side jumper, I'd probably see no problems with it, too. Problem is I belong to a squad and we don't jump sides.
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: scott66 on November 18, 2015, 03:51:05 AM
Just now logged off we only had 25% of our bases left and our strats were just now starting to come back up when it's like that all you can do is hang on and enjoy the ride I was cracking up all night ! the rooks were close to winning so I imagine it will be a new map soon ..It's a game people have fun!
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: Chilli on November 18, 2015, 05:36:44 AM
Was only on for about 30 minutes tonight (squad night) and squad vox was definitely worth 14.95 Almost nothing said was game related :rofl even though we were a large group flowing in and out of contested territory, and there was no plan of attack. In the mix of all of the nonsense on channel I hear our CO pull this quote out from obscurity, "...... George not feel so good". :) I must have chuckled at that for most of the evening as I work a solitary evening shift.
See the clip below to guess why it was perfect cliché for an in game mishap.
There was some pretty damn good junk going on last night. :rock
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: FX1 on November 18, 2015, 06:17:00 AM
Why not be country loyal and find a fight. I do it all the time and it works for me. I was rook for so many years but not any more.
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: Someguy63 on November 18, 2015, 06:25:41 AM
I agree with rpm.
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: 8thJinx on November 18, 2015, 06:36:13 AM
I've been on all three countries, and what you describe, happens to all three countries. Currently flying Bishop, and it's been my experience that we win plenty of maps. Can't and don't need to win them all. I was on until about 10:30 pm EST last night. Sure, the fight was along each bish front, and it was a gobble-fest. But the bish have had a good run the last week or so. I'm not concerned at all. Plus the crack den was open for business inside the crater, which consumed some resources. Probably half the country was there having fun. Felt like R&R. When gv'ing slowed up for a spell, it was easy to find a fight. But the gv action in the crack den was pretty good. It was a good night in my book.
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: DmonSlyr on November 18, 2015, 07:40:23 AM
The whole country loyalty throws out your argument. It is not Hitech's fault that you choose not to switch sides to find a better fight.
It's not his fault that teams are hoarding.
It's not his fault that you couldn't get your team together to do a hoard intercept mission with 262s and temps to clear the skies.
It's not his fault that you and your squad didn't go capture other bases and attack other bases that didn't have hoards.
I literally got over 60 fighter kills last night in 4-5 hours of playing.
Sometimes the map dies and I get that, but if you don't take action against the hoards, or you don't take action to attack other bases, there is nothing Hitech can do to make your experience better.
Get better at the game.
In fact fighting against the hoard is the best part of the game because that's where all the action and kills are!!!
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: puller on November 18, 2015, 08:04:42 AM
In fact fighting against the hoard is the best part of the game because that's where all the action and kills are!!!
^^^ This
Nothing better than bailing off in the middle of a hoard when you know you have a very slim chance on getting home alive :rock
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: Latrobe on November 18, 2015, 11:44:39 AM
I think for a moment that the hordes are out of control, but then I remember that it's not their fault that no one wants to defend against a horde because it'll put their score at risk. I logged on the other day and saw a huge Knight horde attacking a Bish base, so I switched to Bish. All the hangars at the field were still up but no one was upping to defend. Might be because the Knights were closing in for a vulch-fest? Ok then, let's just up from the nearby airbase that's only 5 mins away. Turns out me and 2-3 other Bish are the only ones doing this. Fine by me, more red targets for me! :devil We get to the base to defend and start killing planes. After 2 trips us 4 have killed about 15 Knights and forced the other 15 to RTB from low fuel, ammo, or damage. Now that there are only 3 Knights left in the air a huge horde of Bish who were sitting in the tower of a perfectly functioning airfield now up to defend.
Of course this then went in the complete opposite direction. The Knights saw a big Bish dar incoming to their base and refused to up. After a few minutes the Bish RTB'd from low fuel, or low ammo/damage from the very few defenders and then the Knights started upping to horde the 3-5 remaining Bish.
There's isn't much wrong with the game (there are some problems but every game has issues and HTC is starting to address some of these issues). The real problem is with the players. The vast majority of the remaining players are the "win the war" types who only care for their score. They just want to win the war in the fastest and easiest way possibly and this means avoiding combat with the enemy and attacking undefended bases with huge numbers. If the enemy starts defending then they can't possibly risk their score to continue the attack. It's much safer to RTB, land, and go somewhere else.
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: guncrasher on November 18, 2015, 11:49:27 AM
Was only on for about 30 minutes tonight (squad night) and squad vox was definitely worth 14.95 Almost nothing said was game related :rofl even though we were a large group flowing in and out of contested territory, and there was no plan of attack. In the mix of all of the nonsense on channel I hear our CO pull this quote out from obscurity, "...... George not feel so good". :) I must have chuckled at that for most of the evening as I work a solitary evening shift.
See the clip below to guess why it was perfect cliché for an in game mishap.
There was some pretty damn good junk going on last night. :rock
yup that was fun. I dont think i got a single kill all night. I dont think I even attempted to get a kill as the chat was pretty cool.
semp
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: Tumor on November 18, 2015, 12:01:56 PM
I couldn't agree more. It works both ways though. You can have a decent fight going, then the horde show's ups.... at 20k, along with the inevitable Tools who show up in 262's. I mean really, the fun meter hits idle quickly.
There's another trend that I've noticed allot of, the "attackers" who immediately give up when faced with defense.
IMO, allot could be done regarding a re-working the Strat system, along with keeping certain Bases un-capturable "up to a point". I can't imagine how "Focusing" the front wouldn't help.
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: Scca on November 18, 2015, 12:09:47 PM
Tonight there wasn't a single fight between Rooks and Knights.
It was similar to that Monday, but different countries. My side was getting ganged, and a single plane darbar between the other two countries. And any attack resulted in 20k cons, bombers so high, you could hardly see their dot much less an icon, and a deuce or two just to make things interesting.
What I did was come in higher than them, and get my enjoyment from watching them dive to the deck from 20k running from a 1v1 to friends. Hey, it's a game, it's supposed to be fun. If your not having fun, find something else to do. The people aren't going to change, you have to.
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: Randy1 on November 18, 2015, 12:19:15 PM
Gang banging does to seem to be on steep upwards curve by all countries.
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: JunkyII on November 18, 2015, 12:27:07 PM
Maybe it was payback for the bish taking the entire center island over the weekend to try and ein the war the easy way :aok
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: Scca on November 18, 2015, 12:31:42 PM
Maybe it was payback for the bish taking the entire center island over the weekend to try and ein the war the easy way :aok
I saw someone starting that stuff, so I took out the dar at all their bases on the island. :banana:
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: bustr on November 18, 2015, 02:07:16 PM
Last night was a first time in a while that the bish and rook weren't either off playing with each other out of reach. Or ignoring each other and whizzing only on the knights. Biggest problem the knights have is they mostly want to GV in some never ending fixed spawn battle or furball. And it's a keystone cops chinese cluster fluck if they manage to do it at the same location. And never give the knights a carrier group, you can make book on how fast they will loose it every time.
Last night was a perfect storm. POTW squad night with about 15 of us and the bish had been pushed back earlier during low off peak hours. Then there is tank town where half the available players move to and are never seen for the rest of the night.
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: vHACKv on November 18, 2015, 02:14:46 PM
They are all johnny foreigners but it's a cross i can bare.
If they got rid of the tool of the devil the Brewster the game would improve.
Most intelligent thing ever posted. I am leaving in the thing about the foreigners because its true.
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: Dundee on November 18, 2015, 02:25:06 PM
You don't hear the Bish whine when they are winning......and we just take it, with out the complaining in the forums. Just play the game and stop the whining.... making war fair is not warfare.
Honestly I'm sick and tired of participating in the constant gangbang that this game has become. Arena numbers are horrible and unless you want to abandon your squad and jump countries it's a nonstop thrashing. Tonight there wasn't a single fight between Rooks and Knights. The goal apparently was to take all the Bish bases and make gameplay horrible for them. The overnights are even worse. A few milkrunners taking strats down to nothing then deack bases one after the other. The ack stays down for hours. If you try to defend they jump you with numbers. If you try to resupply they just take bases unopposed. Night after night after night.
This stuff used to happen occasionally, now it's the norm. Seriously questioning why I continue to subscribe. The answer is hanging out with my squad because they are a great group, but they're tired of this crap, too. We're all questioning why we continue to feed HTC for junk gameplay. Why doesn't HTC just kill the Bish and make it Rooks v Knights? The way it is now just stinks.
I'm hoping the new version will change what's happening, but honestly, I'm not sure I'll hang around long enough to see it released. Been a subscriber since 2001 but not for much longer if something doesn't change.
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: Tumor on November 18, 2015, 02:26:31 PM
Maybe it was payback for the bish taking the entire center island over the weekend to try and win the war the easy way :aok
That's a good Maybe.
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: Mongoose on November 18, 2015, 02:36:07 PM
Get your squad together, and make some fun yourselves. Change your tactics. Get above the bombers and do a little Boom and zoom yourself. Change things up. Don't depend on the other team to make things fun. Make your own.
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: vHACKv on November 18, 2015, 04:31:58 PM
Honestly I'm sick and tired of participating in the constant gangbang that this game has become. Arena numbers are horrible and unless you want to abandon your squad and jump countries it's a nonstop thrashing. Tonight there wasn't a single fight between Rooks and Knights. The goal apparently was to take all the Bish bases and make gameplay horrible for them. The overnights are even worse. A few milkrunners taking strats down to nothing then deack bases one after the other. The ack stays down for hours. If you try to defend they jump you with numbers. If you try to resupply they just take bases unopposed. Night after night after night.
Whine recorded, I am honestly laughing hard out loud at this one. Is a Bish complaining about his strats being down and being attacked on two fronts? THIS IS THE WHOLE POINT OF THE GAME IN THE MA, IT IS CALLED STRATEGY. How many maps have the bish won in a row? Are you so used to the other players doing all the strategy, that you live a life of Utopian tactical luxury, with 30 min ack down times and 15 min ord bunkers? If one side is perceived as weak the other two will naturally attack it. Last night the bish were the weak, so we engaged in an orgy of strats and base taking. Personally I love fighting hoards, that is how you get some serious kills. Heck one time I got 5 kills in a T-34 by one shot killing a jeep hoard.
This was exactly the whine I was looking for to pounce on today. Whining enough to have HiTech to change the HQ again because the 100k hardness is not hard enough (that is 100 1000 lb. bombs or their equivalent), will fuel my desire to do it more. Does it not occur to you that making it harder just fuels the ego when we do accomplish the task? This HQ raid was relatively impromptu, but sometimes we plan these out in advance. I will tell you if the conditions are right we will literally call and text each other to log on just to do this. I am going to tell you how we did it (with some details omitted), so you can attempt to defend against it in the future. We have discussed this and would love to see other squads actively engaged in just hunting us down. WE WANT COMBAT IN THE GAME, just not lazy furballing complimented by bomb and bail strat tactics. The 49th will intentionally fly a flight of disadvantaged planes at an disadvantaged alt into a fight. Why do we do this? Because it is fun as hell! Killing a spixteen or a pony in a P40 is rewarding, as is taking down the HQ. We will drive a tank there, then eventually get killed by you... its fun. Thus, we promoting combat and perpetuation of the spirit of the game. We are not bomb and bailing here, this is a coordinated effort that sometimes takes multiple squads or even countries. This took me an effort of 5 hours from start to the 2nd HQ being down and being hunted down and killed like a threatening predator.
Step one: IDENTIFY AND PREP
Take a base with a spawn that allows me to drive to HQ. On maps with a lot of water hills etc. this can be tricky as heck. We pick the right tool for the right job, I don't think there is GV in the game we have not used. Too many rivers, screw it lets take some sloth like LVTs, but first I need to make a beer run. Now what do I do to get the ball rolling on the base take? De-ack by myself, this is the no. 1 thing, yeah sure sometimes I die but usually it encourages others around me to do the same. Thus getting the ball rolling on a base take. Most players do not up from a capped base to protect their precious precious score.
Step Negative One: PREPPING FOR THE PREPPING
Now before I de-acked I took a trip to the AAA strat in bombers to ensure that the ack stays down longer. Bomb and bail... HELL NO!!! Shooting the guns is the fun part! (This is a 49ZOMBIE quote) You got a kill in your Pony? Good for you Bronie! Land the .2 perkies, but that doesn't matter you will get 20 fighter perks when the Bish Bronie hoarde wins the war. That whole Bronie http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Bronie (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Bronie) thing you are into is weird though. Now not all pony drivers are Bronies, but all Bronies are pony drivers. I digress though.
Step Two: THE BASE TAKE
I attack the base and selflessly (this might be a foreign concept to you) do anything I can to get that base, score be damned (probably another foreign concept). This is all done in a team player manor, helping de-ack, giving check 6's, covering bombers taking down hangers. Sometimes I intentionally just wound a plane so they have to take the time to protect their score and land. Thus taking more time out of the fight... again to the detriment to my score.
Step Three: Convince other players to drive hours to HQ. HQ is now 100,000 in hardness meaning it takes mucho ord to do this now. Also, at some point it repairs itself, so you need a critical mass of trigger pullers. Luckily this is easy in my squad, I have some of the most awesome selfless squad mates. They will literally fly a one way goon trip to resupply you anytime. I am not talking about a 20 min trip to a friendly spawn. I mean 100% fuel and they use 90% of it to get to your resupp there, to your flipped over LVT 350 mi behind enemy lines, because you were 5 beers into that good idea becoming a great one, no problem there is a NOE goon on the way.
Step Four: THE ODYSSEY
Drive there, this is not easy at all, and in no way, shape or form as boring as you think. In this case I think it was a little bit over an hour and a half, about like a B-29 mission without the agonizing landing. I think last night we had 3 arguments, 2 conspiracy theories, 1 temper tantrum, 2 bottles of wine, 27 beers, a whiskey and multiple things that smoke after you light them. All before the first HQ was down. AND AN OHHHH @#$% THERE IS A TRAIN GO GO GO GO GET THE M3 OUTA HERE! I am not going to give out specifics, but each and every member of this expedition is absolutely vital. Loosing just one could put the whole mission in jeopardy.
Step Five: THE DIRTY DEED
Coordinate the taking down of the HQ (classified) But I can tell you there is a fuzzy feeling knowing you are actually going to get away with it.
Step Six: HQ DOWN!
Tell the country so they can take advantage! Now we run and hide. Is that a heavy fighter above me? Was that an M3 or a tank? He was so close I could spit on him. Yes he is filming... and going to go watch and then find us that way. (We had to find a way around this) This tactic is on page 3 of the Bronie Life Manual.
Step Seven: AGAIN? OF COURSE!
Regroup and take down the HQ again. This one is always the best, bragging commences on 200. The feeling of knowing the bish are blind again and yelling at each other about dropping the ball is wonderful.
Step Eight: THE HUNT
Be prepared to be HUNTED and I don't mean ohhh they might get you. These people are angry, they want your scalp at all costs! This makes the chase more fun. You can go camp the spawn and get some m3s but someone will up a tank and get you. You can go to the flight path of the goons and main gun a couple, a jabo will get you eventually. (Some guys drag wirlbles, osties, m16s just to shoot the goons :banana: ) Whatever chaos we can come up with at this time is always fun. This is just the cherry on top at this point, and you are having a tough time being accurate, you are laughing so hard and getting puffy cheetos all over your shirt and keyboard. This is by far the most fun part to me, sometimes I get away even! Then a nice 49er flys me some supps 903 miles away in a NOE storch and then I drive to your AAA strat and do it all over again. Hopefully he will go crash that thing in a barn, then go AFK flashing another strat for hours, we can only hope.
Step Nine: TALK THE TALK
Not all engage on 200, but I think you know where I lean here. :neener:
In summation this is not some light gaming activity. We coordinated a massive effort. How often do we witness the awesome machine that is the coordinated bish super hoard? I understand it makes people mad that just want to log on and dogfight right now. Isn't that what the DA is for? The ponies fly to 20k and pick 109s off dead reds there too. Hopefully the new game will have a happier place for you. I like doing those things too. This however is the MA, with tanks and this thing called an M3 that can do wonderful things, including be an artillery piece. I take pride in using these obscure GV's in a manor that is threatening to you. What is the average ENY of the planes you fly? Last nights HQ raid had a HUGE effect on the Bish situation, we got sick of being rolled on every map. An opportunity was seen and taken. This is a 3 sided war 2 of those teams lose every time. Whatever you do to be the squeaky wheel and adjust the game to your gaming laziness will not stop this. It will actually do the opposite, we will stare at our clipboards harder and daydream longer. What else will cause us to come up with the next crazier tactic? Trust me when I say I think MERLIN schemes this crap in his dreams, it is that pervasive. So I suggest you either don't let it bother you or you come up with your own tactics to counter it. We have already countered the shade/spy thing so you are going to have to be more creative than that.
:ahand
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: Tumor on November 18, 2015, 04:47:31 PM
The summation is all I read of this, since I figured it would be mostly bloviating nose-thumbing nonsense. But it did give me an interesting idea. (And I didn't need to stare at length at a clipboard and dream about a fictitious wizard to come up with it.)
I think AHIII should have a "GV alert" system similar to Dar Bar. Perhaps a little Panzer icon next to a base or strat indicating enemy GVs within dar range of that base? A yellow icon for 1-3 GVs, Orange for 4-8, Red for 9+. Something like that.
It seems reasonable that some farmer seeing armored vehicles tearing through his fields would report it. Bases don't go on alert for phantom threats anyway. They would be alerted to the nature of the threat, ground or air attack. So, why not have a visible alert system specific for GVs?
I know HTC lowered the dar alt to reduce the effectiveness of NOE sneaks, so why not something to deal with the GV sneaks (including HQ raids)?
Anything that promotes combat and reduces sneaking around the map is a good game mechanic, in my opinion. This worthy of a Wishlist item post?
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: MrGeezer on November 18, 2015, 06:16:09 PM
The whole country loyalty throws out your argument. It is not Hitech's fault that you choose not to switch sides to find a better fight.
WRONG!
To switch from bish to rook or nit only exacerbates an already out of control problem. Many fellow bish STAY bish because to leave only makes the problem worse.
I think rpm is right. In USA Prime Time and then late nights USA afterwards it's a two teams vs one gang bang. They think it's funny.
What would solve the problem is if nits and rooks grew a pair and actually fought each other for bases...which they don't in USA Prime Time and late night. Evidently it's more fun to gang the little guy.
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: Dragon Tamer on November 18, 2015, 06:53:56 PM
To switch from bish to rook or nit only exacerbates an already out of control problem. Many fellow bish STAY bish because to leave only makes the problem worse.
I think rpm is right. In USA Prime Time and then late nights USA afterwards it's a two teams vs one gang bang. They think it's funny.
What would solve the problem is if nits and rooks grew a pair and actually fought each other for bases...which they don't in USA Prime Time and late night. Evidently it's more fun to gang the little guy.
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: bustr on November 18, 2015, 07:17:52 PM
Hack,
The bish city was below 45%, so when their HQ went down, the 5 minute down time increased per the effect the city has on strat rebuild times. So now the target to defend is your city. It's amazing how all three sides ignore the city until it's too late. And that is a long time period of ignoring while some energizer bunny drops his load, bails and putters back with another load over an hour or so to just get it down to 50%.
I guess the new mean thing to say is: Ok now it's up and defend your city or else.
We have a new whine then. You guys need to whine that Hitech has to increase the hardness for the city and change it's down time to 5 minutes. Shades of Mizzou, just the mention of the word HQ, or down time, or hoard, or puffy ack, or or or...trigger words and fainting spells and long drawn out whines in the forums. Man is wee's delicate.
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: earl1937 on November 18, 2015, 07:30:59 PM
The bish city was below 45%, so when their HQ went down, the 5 minute down time increased per the effect the city has on strat rebuild times. So now the target to defend is your city. It's amazing how all three sides ignore the city until it's too late. And that is a long time period of ignoring while some energizer bunny drops his load, bails and putters back with another load over an hour or so to just get it down to 50%.
I guess the new mean thing to say is: Ok now it's up and defend your city or else.
We have a new whine then. You guys need to whine that Hitech has to increase the hardness for the city and change it's down time to 5 minutes. Shades of Mizzou, just the mention of the word HQ, or down time, or hoard, or puffy ack, or or or...trigger words and fainting spells and long drawn out whines in the forums. Man is wee's delicate.
:airplane: What do you expect? High Tech has things arranged to where you have to "gang bang" to take a base!
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: Lazerr on November 18, 2015, 07:55:08 PM
Ehermmm....
2 countries? Didn't work in the past, I get it.. i think.
What about now?
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: Oldman731 on November 18, 2015, 09:46:59 PM
Here's a question I asked the other night: What happens if your team loses the map?
- oldman
they take away 25 perks from each category :noid :noid
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: rpm on November 18, 2015, 10:22:46 PM
People staying logged in to collect perks when we win a map needs to end, too. When nearly half of the people on your country logged in are just sitting in the tower the ENY just kills you. Maybe they could change ENY to the number of people in flight or just award the entire country perks instead. (insert angry old man shaking fist at the sky here)
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: vHACKv on November 19, 2015, 02:08:52 AM
Killing the city is very much part of our overall strategy, does not make since to do it for 5 mins downtime otherwise.
As far as the GV alert, why stop there? How about an NOE alert, a SFOX is clicking around on the map planning something alert, or the other team has posted a mission alert. I think the knights would be immune from the last one though. It could be like the pre-crime unit in that one movie. You know the one with Tom Cruise and the balls? Those should help you be the dominant team. While you are lobbying you could get a Bish only arena, insuring total victory every time.
To implement the GV observation corps we could have some natives running around in loin cloths, guys in berets that look like resistance fighters, or partisans to be the alert system for GVs. Then we would have to run around and pick them off like ninjas before we go in, the way we would see them through the trees would be from the puffs of their cigarettes. That would be super! Plus then the sheep would have someone to watch out for them. :rofl
Also, as a side note I don't know you needed a ball or balls to play this game. Apparently they are quite important for the game somehow, as people keep mentioning on these forums about them being missing, or that some need to be grown. Someone mentioned something about growing a pair, do you plant two golf balls in the ground and grow a ball tree? So if anyone has seen my lost balls, could you please return them to me. I do not know what they look like. They might be fuzzy like a tennis ball, or hard like a billiard ball, even possibly big like a basketball. At this point I am confused on the ball subject, as to my understanding that no ball was required to play a combat sim game. If you do find my missing balls, could you please care for them, and only gently play with them in the applicable sport (no playing tennis with the billiard ball) until they are returned to my possession, as to not harm them.
Thank you and that is all <S>
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Post by: Slade on November 19, 2015, 05:42:15 AM
rpm has some valid points. As do you all.
Maybe the root cause of many of the issues described is the time between major software updates. AH2 to AH3 for example. I cannot remember if it was this way from AH1 to AH2. We very extreme loyalist fund the game continuity\development during the lean times to a significant degree. We are not privy to investor $ numbers. Maybe after AH3 is out and the marketing machine has brought in the next huge wave of players all will be well.
Change Request to AH\HiTech: For next time (AH3 to AH4 etc.) could you please PLEASE higher some interns and\or part time coders to shorten the development cycle.
Sincere thanks. You all do great work and we feel you do listen to us and have the best product of this game genre. :salute
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Post by: Xtrepid on November 19, 2015, 06:46:53 AM
Also, as a side note I don't know you needed a ball or balls to play this game. Apparently they are quite important for the game somehow, as people keep mentioning on these forums about them being missing, or that some need to be grown. Someone mentioned something about growing a pair, do you plant two golf balls in the ground and grow a ball tree? So if anyone has seen my lost balls, could you please return them to me. I do not know what they look like. They might be fuzzy like a tennis ball, or hard like a billiard ball, even possibly big like a basketball. At this point I am confused on the ball subject, as to my understanding that no ball was required to play a combat sim game. If you do find my missing balls, could you please care for them, and only gently play with them in the applicable sport (no playing tennis with the billiard ball) until they are returned to my possession, as to not harm them. Thank you and that is all <S>
I've seen the "gangbangs" work against all chess piece countries. So have nothing to add about that besides... __it happens!
Did get a PM the other day saying "UR NUTLESS"! Why? I upped a Whirb to help out a chess piece countryman trying to land with no ammo left and bingo fuel, while a enemy chess piece was trying to vulch him on landing. Unfortunately for him, my fellow chess piece countryman out flew him even in his feeble attempts on the vulch. Finally I pulled into the middle of the runway, stopped, fired, and ended his pursuit of swooping in for the kill.
I guess his "Big Nuts" got in the way of him seeing my Whirb sitting on the runway. :rolleyes:
To me... it's only a game, and when it becomes frustrating... I log off! To each their own...
X :salute
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: Randy1 on November 19, 2015, 07:06:56 AM
People staying logged in to collect perks when we win a map needs to end, too. When nearly half of the people on your country logged in are just sitting in the tower the ENY just kills you. Maybe they could change ENY to the number of people in flight or just award the entire country perks instead. (insert angry old man shaking fist at the sky here)
I just don't think it is quite as black and white as you say. No doubt there are a few that just stay logged in. Most of the tower sitting probably has a reason. Some of things I have heard on vox.
Got to go walk the dog Pizza man at the door Need a beer and make room for more Granddaughter or Grandson wants to talk to me Just need to take a break legs went too sleep butt went to sleep Making a sandwich Wife is frisky girlfriend is frisky girlfriend is frisky and wife coming back soon
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: MrGeezer on November 19, 2015, 08:02:54 AM
Here's a question I asked the other night: What happens if your team loses the map?
- oldman
I cannot speak for all bish. I can speak for myself and that is If we lose the map we lose the map. If a country meets the requirements of the game to win a map let it be so. It's built into the game. Why is that even remotely an issue, given the OP's message?
The OP was (in case you missed it....and you did) stressing the fact that when any two sides gang the third without fighting each other (for bases) it causes a massive imbalance of power. He didn't take a screen shot but I did, and while the rooks and nits had the bish down to 27% of owned initial bases both the rooks and nits owned ZERO% of each others bases. In plain English, two sides allying themselves against the third with no interest in fighting each other for bases, and therein lies the problem. ENY, which is worthless as it already stands, does not factor in the ENY of any two sides ganging the third, in and of itself it twice as worthless, and this goes for ANY countries who decide to play their $15 bucks that way.
It is funny to me to see a squad and/or two countries claim how awesomesauce they are to beat the bish when it's 150 vs 75. I don't blame the OP for not upping a capped set of bases to give the enemy easy gang-bang kills. I wouldn't either.
If rooks & nits want to play that game in USA Prime Time and USA late night -- let them! It's their $15 bucks. Bish still win the majority of the maps. If the nits & rooks want to be the same team --just with different color flags-- let them do it. Actions speak louder than words.
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: DmonSlyr on November 19, 2015, 09:58:16 AM
Roll aa 262 or Temp and go fight the hoard!! Seriously, those planes are designed not get cought by the majority of other planes in the game. You and 3 other wingmans can disrupt that hoard in a matter of minutes. Fighting agaisnt the hoard is much more fun than not having any one to fight at all.....
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Post by: Scca on November 19, 2015, 10:00:43 AM
Roll aa 262 or Temp and go fight the hoard!! Seriously, those planes are designed not get cought by the majority of other planes in the game. You and 3 other wingmans can disrupt that hoard in a matter of minutes. Fighting agaisnt the hoard is much more fun than not having any one to fight at all.....
Except when ENY kicks in, that's a good idea.
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: guncrasher on November 19, 2015, 10:04:26 AM
How would the ENY kick in if your team is getting hoarded by both sides yet your team has the most players???? That doesn't make sense...
IF your team has the most players so that ENY kicks in and is getting hoarded by both teams, there's obviously an issue with the players skill level, coordination, and teamwork, that is the big problem.
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: Oldman731 on November 19, 2015, 12:12:02 PM
The OP was (in case you missed it....and you did) stressing the fact that when any two sides gang the third without fighting each other (for bases) it causes a massive imbalance of power.
Actually, I didn't miss it. My question probably should have been "so what?"
- oldman
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: waystin2 on November 19, 2015, 01:47:36 PM
I just don't think it is quite as black and white as you say. No doubt there are a few that just stay logged in. Most of the tower sitting probably has a reason. Some of things I have heard on vox.
Got to go walk the dog Pizza man at the door Need a beer and make room for more Granddaughter or Grandson wants to talk to me Just need to take a break legs went too sleep butt went to sleep Making a sandwich Wife is frisky girlfriend is frisky girlfriend is frisky and wife coming back soon
:airplane: OK, I am guilty of two of these, I will let you guess which ones! LOL
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Post by: Chilli on November 19, 2015, 05:25:52 PM
earl,
Frisky with one's self does not count. :neener:
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: MajWoody on November 19, 2015, 10:49:01 PM
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Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: Mongoose on November 20, 2015, 07:14:43 AM
:airplane: What do you expect? High Tech has things arranged to where you have to "gang bang" to take a base!
So we have an environment where we have to work together to achieve an objective. So work together. Whether you work together to capture a base, or work together to prevent the capture. The team that works together the best will be the most successful. So get out there, find some folks to work with, and have fun.
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: Scca on November 20, 2015, 09:05:23 AM
How would the ENY kick in if your team is getting hoarded by both sides yet your team has the most players???? That doesn't make sense...
IF your team has the most players so that ENY kicks in and is getting hoarded by both teams, there's obviously an issue with the players skill level, coordination, and teamwork, that is the big problem.
Well, it may not make "sense", but it happened to my squad on Monday. Horde attacking us on both sides of the map, not fighting each other, eny was 12. (outrage denied)
In defense, it was a small map, with lots of space between bases. when the "front" is two or 3 bases, it compresses the fight into one or two bases, therefore a horde. We had 12 eny, the bish were buzzing us with 262's
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: guncrasher on November 20, 2015, 12:37:14 PM
This is why we stopped letting Semp hold the map. :D
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
semp
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: Stratocaster on November 20, 2015, 02:20:30 PM
Really not that much has changed in the past 10 years or so, other than the numbers (hopefully AH3 helps address this). There were more fights to be had overall, but the hordes/furballs feel just as they have since the release of AHII. For the 2 or so years I played the original Aces High there was much more participation between the players of each country and I remember the excitement of joining player created missions in the MA. These missions were sometimes HUGE with many many sets of bombers and escort fighters for as far as you could see. I remember my computer bogging down when those launched! Aces High is one of the few MMOs that doesn't force you to do anything particular. This freedom is why I play the game, but the other side of the coin is it is entirely dependent on the players to give it life! Ups and downs.
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: rpm on November 21, 2015, 02:07:02 AM
Same thing again tonight, except it was the Knights that were fighting Rooks and ignoring Bish. Apparently one sided battles are the new normal for AH. One thing (among many) that Air Warrior got right was a limited amount of aircraft from a field. There were only so many aircraft at a particular field so the entire side couldn't up from there. When the stock was depleted you had to use another field to launch.
We know this is historically inaccurate because the entire stockpile of a country's aircraft was available at any field in WW2. That's how we beat the Germans at Pearl Harbor. Same thing with the giant bomber missions into Germany. They all left from RAF Duxford.
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: Volron on November 21, 2015, 02:09:08 AM
Same thing again tonight, except it was the Knights that were fighting Rooks and ignoring Bish. Apparently one sided battles are the new normal for AH. One thing (among many) that Air Warrior got right was a limited amount of aircraft from a field. There were only so many aircraft at a particular field so the entire side couldn't up from there. When the stock was depleted you had to use another field to launch.
We know this is historically inaccurate because the entire stockpile of a country's aircraft was available at any field in WW2. That's how we beat the Germans at Pearl Harbor. Same thing with the giant bomber missions into Germany. They all left from RAF Duxford.
I've been saying this for the better part of 10 years.
While the base limits in AW it is my understanding was done to out of necessity due to technical limitations. It is however one of the things they unintentionally got right and served to help spread the fight out.
One thing this game AH had right then screwed the pooch on is in moving away from the zone base & strat system which was far FAR better then anything we've had since. Yes we still had the horde all those years ago. But at least you could figure out where they were likely to go as zone bases were more important then other bases and people would actually try to defend them even if only to be involved in a fight
Back in the day yes we had hordes. But they werent the nearly absolute norm we have now. Even if you are willing to change sides the options now are horde...or be horded. I frequently fly outnumbered anyway. And typically I dont mind it all that much as it can be quite amusing seeing how long I can hold out while watching so many put so much effort into killing one plane. But I can only track so many targets before even that becomes not fun. The numbers become absurd and it just gets to be annoying.
Flip side is. Flying with the numbers can also be fun for a while. But even that gets old.
I much prefer a more or less balanced fight. Even in a fight to take a base makes the final capture of a base more gratifying. I'd rather spend all night in a fight to take one base then spend all night rolling up bases one after another nearly unopposed
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: icepac on November 21, 2015, 09:14:38 AM
Hate the playa...........not the game.
I saw zero strats defense while the furballers whined about not finding a fight as they conga lined straight from the nearest base to the nearest enemy base without any sort of reasonable tactics or strategy.
Well....duh........when you and 26 other friendlies show up with altitude, the pickins are slim.
If you're bored.........then you're boring.
The game "sucks" because you "suck".
"you" being a generic term not singling any one person out in this thread.
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: The Fugitive on November 21, 2015, 12:55:19 PM
I saw zero strats defense while the furballers whined about not finding a fight as they conga lined straight from the nearest base to the nearest enemy base without any sort of reasonable tactics or strategy.
Well....duh........when you and 26 other friendlies show up with altitude, the pickins are slim.
If you're bored.........then you're boring.
The game "sucks" because you "suck".
"you" being a generic term not singling any one person out in this thread.
When are you going to get it that most fighter type players don't consider circling around a strat looking for a high alt con OR and belly scrapping one, not to mention a possible GV out for an afternoon drive any kind of "fight"?
That is what they are complaining about.
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: Lazerr on November 21, 2015, 02:24:01 PM
Yeah flying around strat objects is well..... boring. Both on offense and defense.
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Post by: scott66 on November 21, 2015, 03:15:25 PM
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: Lusche on November 22, 2015, 02:19:13 PM
I wish I could find any of those 'hordes' that are being talked about...
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: Randy1 on November 23, 2015, 06:45:38 AM
Fighters were down so I went to get a A20 but ENY stopped that. That was a first.
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: rpm on November 24, 2015, 01:06:06 AM
Was just on the FesterMA map and kept running into invisible water trying to capture a base. This map is so full of bugs it's incredible. Some V Bases have blue earth. Some Bases have green water. You expect me to pay $15 a month for crap like this? WTF HTC??? Are you seriously this lazy or do you genuine not give a crap about the product you charge customers for? I can tell you if I gave this level of quality control at my job I would be fired with a 'do not rehire' job recommendation.
I feel like I'm having money stolen from me for my subscription at this point.
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: Max on November 24, 2015, 02:25:02 AM
Uh oh :bolt:
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: MajWoody on November 24, 2015, 03:23:30 AM
Snap!
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: Chilli on November 24, 2015, 03:58:31 AM
{Raises hand} I suggest that you check your video settings. If you have your advanced graphic details turned off, the water color does not show with out the ground detail box checked. I am sorry that you had this bad experience, but I really wish you hadn't jumped to conclusions. Secondly, here is proof HTC is hard at work producing terrains and new features, http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,373694.msg4978698.html#new (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,373694.msg4978698.html#new) while giving an open invitation to all to see development process, in a very personal and yet professional sense.
My suggestion, is to take a few deep breaths, maybe a cup less of coffee, visit the above link......... and let you mind free to explore. If you do, please understand that you will find bugs, and incomplete coad. That is the design of alpha testing which welcomes your observations. Also, there has been a turn in the architecture or process that allows the video cards to be used more efficiently than the currnet AH2 game that uses CPU. This may benefit your machine or not, but the minimum recommended dedicated video memory is somewhere around 1 GB. Also, there are simple and strict rules to be followed, first of all by realizing the product is in unfinished state and not to draw conclusions about a final product that has not been released.
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: Randy1 on November 24, 2015, 06:17:37 AM
Was just on the FesterMA map and kept running into invisible water trying to capture a base. This map is so full of bugs it's incredible. Some V Bases have blue earth. Some Bases have green water. You expect me to pay $15 a month for crap like this? WTF HTC??? Are you seriously this lazy or do you genuine not give a crap about the product you charge customers for? I can tell you if I gave this level of quality control at my job I would be fired with a 'do not rehire' job recommendation.
I feel like I'm having money stolen from me for my subscription at this point.
Keep in mind the work that went into developing this map. Could have been years in the making. Don't slap the map maker. Just report the problem.
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: lyric1 on November 24, 2015, 06:49:39 AM
Was just on the FesterMA map and kept running into invisible water trying to capture a base. This map is so full of bugs it's incredible. Some V Bases have blue earth. Some Bases have green water. You expect me to pay $15 a month for crap like this? WTF HTC??? Are you seriously this lazy or do you genuine not give a crap about the product you charge customers for? I can tell you if I gave this level of quality control at my job I would be fired with a 'do not rehire' job recommendation.
I feel like I'm having money stolen from me for my subscription at this point.
I have been around other players on this map who cant see the water & yet I don't have this issue. A setting is off maybe for these people or they just have a crappy system?
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Post by: DmonSlyr on November 24, 2015, 07:17:03 AM
Was just on the FesterMA map and kept running into invisible water trying to capture a base. This map is so full of bugs it's incredible. Some V Bases have blue earth. Some Bases have green water. You expect me to pay $15 a month for crap like this? WTF HTC??? Are you seriously this lazy or do you genuine not give a crap about the product you charge customers for? I can tell you if I gave this level of quality control at my job I would be fired with a 'do not rehire' job recommendation.
I feel like I'm having money stolen from me for my subscription at this point.
Check your graphic settitns. I've never seen that before. Then again, I don't play AH to play in tanks....
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Post by: Lusche on November 24, 2015, 07:26:03 AM
Check your graphic settitns. I've never seen that before. Then again, I don't play AH to play in tanks....
There are bases on that map where your fighter runs into invisible water when launching out of the fighter hangar. This water is invisible when you don't run AH with advanced graphics. Which it shouldn't be.
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: lyric1 on November 24, 2015, 07:38:08 AM
There are bases on that map where your fighter runs into invisible water when launching out of the fighter hangar. This water is invisible when you don't run AH with advanced graphics. Which it shouldn't be.
Never seen that before on Festers map do you recall what bases have this issue?
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Post by: Lusche on November 24, 2015, 07:51:22 AM
Never seen that before on Festers map do you recall what bases have this issue?
I don't remember the exact numbvers at the moment, I came across it on some of the northern bases that have a river nearby and water on them. These water surfaces are only visible if you have the advanced options on.
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Post by: Scca on November 24, 2015, 07:53:14 AM
I have been around other players on this map who cant see the water & yet I don't have this issue. A setting is off maybe for these people or they just have a crappy system?
I think it's "Detail Water" that needs to be turned on. It's not a bug, it's a feature from what I have read. It's not a hard hit to your system either.
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Post by: lyric1 on November 24, 2015, 08:29:13 AM
I think it's "Detail Water" that needs to be turned on. It's not a bug, it's a feature from what I have read. It's not a hard hit to your system either.
Mine is always on so a simple fix then for those with issues.
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Post by: lyric1 on November 24, 2015, 08:30:05 AM
I don't remember the exact numbvers at the moment, I came across it on some of the northern bases that have a river nearby and water on them. These water surfaces are only visible if you have the advanced options on.
TY.
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: seano on November 24, 2015, 01:53:21 PM
To the original poster. You can't whine because others don't play the game the same as you.
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Post by: TW9 on November 24, 2015, 10:17:01 PM
To the original poster. You can't whine because others don't play the game the same as you.
Sure he can, in fact, he did. And its a valid gripe (whine) considering a lot of people (myself included) have quit because of this same reason. I find more joy playing apps on my phone than what AH currently offers. This coming from someone who'd play for hours, daily when it was good. :bolt:
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: keeler on November 25, 2015, 09:38:19 AM
I find more joy playing apps on my phone than what AH currently offers. :bolt:
Sadly this is the state of PC gaming in general. The biggest PC game on the planet lost 5 mil subs this year (WOW). Alltho WOW and AH share little more than a common platform and a subscription to play . Mobile is likely the future of all games. AH ported to a mobile platform if only for GV ground battles would be a huge success IMO. Cause everone has a smart/ipad.
In a world of Free2play and pay to win the monthly SUB model has also taken a big hit. In game Microtransaction are the norm. AH could offer such things Perk Points for sale which in turn you cold trade x points for a month sub. A lot of players wouldn't like this but it is the way of the gaming world now
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: Chilli on November 25, 2015, 02:01:51 PM
Sadly this is the state of PC gaming in general. The biggest PC game on the planet lost 5 mil subs this year (WOW). Alltho WOW and AH share little more than a common platform and a subscription to play . Mobile is likely the future of all games. AH ported to a mobile platform if only for GV ground battles would be a huge success IMO. Cause everone has a smart/ipad.
In a world of Free2play and pay to win the monthly SUB model has also taken a big hit. In game Microtransaction are the norm. AH could offer such things Perk Points for sale which in turn you cold trade x points for a month sub. A lot of players wouldn't like this but it is the way of the gaming world now
Or............... they could roll out AH3 and continue with the modest number of HAPPY players that enjoy this type of platform. I do agree there are some are some areas that could benefit in numbers if they were able to use other gaming platforms, but at what cost?
Quality or Quantity I have to say.
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Post by: Wiley on November 25, 2015, 02:13:45 PM
Or............... they could roll out AH3 and continue with the modest number of HAPPY players that enjoy this type of platform. I do agree there are some are some areas that could benefit in numbers if they were able to use other gaming platforms, but at what cost?
Quality or Quantity I have to say.
HOTAS, pedals, head tracking, 60 or better FPS, and hopefully VR in the near future. That's not something that tablets/phones can provide at the moment. Sub/F2P, a change there would likely improve numbers.
Casual tablet games are popular and that's great, but there are people who want something like this too.
Wiley.
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Post by: TW9 on November 26, 2015, 09:29:15 AM
Sadly this is the state of PC gaming in general. The biggest PC game on the planet lost 5 mil subs this year (WOW). Alltho WOW and AH share little more than a common platform and a subscription to play . Mobile is likely the future of all games. AH ported to a mobile platform if only for GV ground battles would be a huge success IMO. Cause everone has a smart/ipad.
In a world of Free2play and pay to win the monthly SUB model has also taken a big hit. In game Microtransaction are the norm. AH could offer such things Perk Points for sale which in turn you cold trade x points for a month sub. A lot of players wouldn't like this but it is the way of the gaming world now
I sold my wow account at the end of MoP. Got almost 1k between my 3 main characters. Im glad I did. But in WoWs defense a lot of the players they "lost" hopped on board for the new expansion then left. WoW is too much of a time (f-word). Have to put a lot of hours into it if you want to be good at it, gear wise. It's not a game you can play casually, so I wouldn't put it in the same category as AH where everyone is playing with the same "gear" and the only difference being skill level.
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: Wiley on November 26, 2015, 11:14:56 AM
Have to put a lot of hours into it if you want to be good at it, gear wise. It's not a game you can play casually, so I wouldn't put it in the same category as AH where everyone is playing with the same "gear" and the only difference being skill level.
You're correct in the above, this game doesn't force you to grind for gear/planes, which puts it head and shoulders above WT for that alone, warts and all.
However, if you want to be decent at this game, most people have to put in the time to build the skills. Depending on peoples' capability and talents, this can either be easy, or extremely time consuming. And much like in WOW, many people are content to just play for fun, not try to be the bestest firstest, and play at their level of skill.
The commonality between this and games like WoW is they take some kind of commitment to be good at/succeed at. The number of people who are willing to commit significant time to a game is dwindling rapidly, as can be seen by the rise of casual gaming on the phone/tablet. The majority of people aren't willing to lay out money for a decent computer and all the gear for a game like this. I think that's the single biggest factor in why games like this are falling off.
*glances over at Star Citizen* Ok, yeah. I'll grant the point that's wildly popular, but it's also a huge, fondly remembered franchise and I think once it goes gold, there's going to be a metric buttload of disappointment and player dropoff in that game.
A phone/tablet F2P simplified GV game would likely be more widely popular than the current game, but it wouldn't be the same game. May as well compare Fallout 4 to original Doom. The broad strokes are the same, but the actual gameplay is vastly different. A lot of people who enjoy AH wouldn't want to play some arcadelike fighter plane shooter on a tablet, just for the controls alone.
A game like this and a casual tablet game just can't coexist in the same space. They could be two excellent separate games, but they won't mingle well, as can be seen by the wild number of complaints about certain control schems being superior in the games that try to split the difference like WT and Star Citizen.
Wiley.
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: rpm on November 27, 2015, 04:49:47 AM
(http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n580/rpm371/IMG_20151127_042531085.jpg) Another perfect example of people logged in and not playing during off hours, but the ENY doesn't know the difference. Just because some are too lazy or greedy to log out, the entire side is punished. It's ENY turned inside out when the least amount of players are restricted and the many are rewarded. Why can't it be based on the amount in the air, not in the tower? This is exactly the kind of thing I've been complaining about. We're forced to up inferior planes and tanks then are cannon/bomb fodder for a few that run up their score. No wonder the numbers and gameplay stink. Why can't you do something as simple as changing ENY from logged in to in flight? :headscratch:
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: rpm on November 27, 2015, 05:01:26 AM
It just gets better. Can't even up a Wirble to defend because of ENY.
Same thing again tonight, except it was the Knights that were fighting Rooks and ignoring Bish. Apparently one sided battles are the new normal for AH.
haha, pretty funny RPM, how you worded that. instead of saying the truth, which is, knits and bish ganging the rooks. you write "knights were fighting rooks". why not say what it is? its 2v1 with numbers and ganging, hording and running. hurts your case to tell the truth doesnt it? it exposes that truth doesnt it? so you conveniently and deceptively leave that out. this post and your original post are nothing but pure hypocrisy. bish are the exact epitome of everyone of your gripes.
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: rpm on November 27, 2015, 03:59:50 PM
Because it's not just gang the Bish. Thought I made that clear. But, it does seem to happen to Bish more than the others. Using the AW system of limiting aircraft from a single field would alleviate that for all sides equally.
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: VuduVee on November 27, 2015, 05:43:02 PM
no, it doesnt happen to the bish the most. not even close. bish almost always have numbers and almost always hording with them. just today, bish horded 2 maps. youre the first to avoid competition and gang two teams versus one, every time. last week, when you wrote your little complaint, it was literally 112 bish/nits vs 38 rooks. so for 3 days, there were no darbars on the bish/nit front. and everytime during those 3 days, that i logged in to see the numbers, it was similar numbers. we had 28% of our bases on a huge map. most people just logged because they get tired of getting slaughtered by 10 gangers who will be the first to gang and also the first to run from a 1v1. to me, it says a lot about a persons character when they would rather kick a dead horse than tempt a growling dog. these people will do anything, except taking cartoon risks, to win in a game that you dont get any material gains whatsoever. if theyll do this or that in a game. imagine what theyll do in real life where the consequences are real. then, to see that those people will come here to complain about getting a fraction of what they give, is mind numbing.
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: kappa on November 27, 2015, 10:58:22 PM
I dunno why yall are complaining so.. All this is perfect examples of how the 12/6hr switch time works perfectly.. ;p
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: Bellator on November 28, 2015, 01:23:12 AM
Well do what I just did. I took a look at the map and saw no fights between Rook and Knights. I just logged off. No point in getting mad about it There's nothing you can do about it. All they want to do is pick and vulch anyway. Makes their scores look good. Just log off and go to bed.
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: rpm on November 28, 2015, 04:16:08 AM
Vudu all I can tell you is what I see when I'm logged on which is primarily off prime hours and I see it over and over. It was the same tonight and I did what Bellator did, log off instead of being cannon fodder for score hordes. There was no Rook Knight fight, but both sides were attacking Bish.
Limit the number of aircraft from a field (which would be historically accurate). That would force the horders to either fly great distance from multiple bases or pick a different front. Maybe the answer is a 2 way fight instead of 3. All I know is what we have now ain't working.
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: Lusche on November 28, 2015, 04:52:56 AM
He flies for Bish, thats why hes crying all the time ! :devil JUST KIDDING!
If you limit the fields to say 10, which is a reasonable number, your still going to have the issue you see in your low numbers time. The same goes for the two sided war. All that will get you is a single "pick fest" on a single front.
The problem is with the limited numbers you see less opportunities for your kind of action. It's hard to lead when you have no followers, and it sucks following when the leaders are leading you into a fight you don't find fun.
Personally I don't think there is an adjustment HTC could do to "help" the situation. The only thing that is going to help is more numbers.
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: VuduVee on November 28, 2015, 03:17:06 PM
Vudu all I can tell you is what I see when I'm logged on which is primarily off prime hours and I see it over and over. It was the same tonight and I did what Bellator did, log off instead of being cannon fodder for score hordes. There was no Rook Knight fight, but both sides were attacking Bish.
rpm, well, if youre mostly logged in at off prime hrs (typical easy mode), then you probably rarely see the bish outnumbered or ganged. youre actually only playing when the bish have every single advantage. like weekday mornings when you guys roll every undefended base known to man with twice the numbers of nits, rooks. but, youre not crying about that are ya? of course not. its ok for you to do the crap you hate, but you dont like it when you get what you give. then, when numbers get on you guys dont wanna play anymore. smh. now when you start getting what you constantly give, all the sudden you care.
when its bish/nit vs rooks or bish/rooks vs nits, do you log off then too? do you log because you guys outnumber and you dont want to be a part of a "score horde"? i guarantee that NO is your answer if youre honest. you jump right in like all the other hider, easy moders do. pure hypocrisy and entitlement is what your post is.
even though i agree with your original post mostly, it irks me to see a bish complaining about it considering that the bish are by far, the biggest perpetrators of everything you gripe about. and i am sure that alls fine and dandy as long as youre not on the sht end of the stick. its 100% hypocritical entitlement. pathetic.
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: Lusche on November 28, 2015, 03:20:56 PM
That is an excellent question and I don't have a good answer. Not sure what the numbers were in AW (I know it was limited because of a different reason) but those seemed to work. When you ran out of planes at a base, you had to move to another. There were fewer bases and they were further apart, so it would need some adjusting to fit AH. Maybe make it a Zone thing (# of country players / bases per zone). You could still horde, but you would have to do some serious planning and cooperation which would be historically accurate. But allowing 50% or more of your players to fly from a single forward base isn't anywhere near historical accuracy.
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: rpm on November 28, 2015, 03:30:23 PM
rpm, well, if youre mostly logged in at off prime hrs (typical easy mode), then you probably rarely see the bish outnumbered or ganged. youre actually only playing when the bish have every single advantage. like weekday mornings when you guys roll every undefended base known to man with twice the numbers of nits, rooks. but, youre not crying about that are ya? of course not. its ok for you to do the crap you hate, but you dont like it when you get what you give. then, when numbers get on you guys dont wanna play anymore. smh. now when you start getting what you constantly give, all the sudden you care.
when its bish/nit vs rooks or bish/rooks vs nits, do you log off then too? do you log because you guys outnumber and you dont want to be a part of a "score horde"? i guarantee that NO is your answer if youre honest. you jump right in like all the other hider, easy moders do. pure hypocrisy and entitlement is what your post is.
even though i agree with your original post mostly, it irks me to see a bish complaining about it considering that the bish are by far, the biggest perpetrators of everything you gripe about. and i am sure that alls fine and dandy as long as youre not on the sht end of the stick. its 100% hypocritical entitlement. pathetic.
You're just trolling now. Ask 0Rick or SFOX how ganged they are in off hours. And to answer your question, I don't normally join a horde. I'm typically trying to find a different fight or defend. Why would I want to do all the hard work and let another guy zoom in and take the kill? I've already said it isn't just Bish that get horded.
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: VuduVee on November 28, 2015, 03:56:51 PM
it means there is very little competition on weekday mornings. very little risk of being beaten. so the easy mode players log on until more numbers get on. then they log off when competition arrives. then gripe when they get what they give once in a blue moon.
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: Lusche on November 28, 2015, 04:11:53 PM
You could still horde, but you would have to do some serious planning and cooperation which would be historically accurate. But allowing 50% or more of your players to fly from a single forward base isn't anywhere near historical accuracy.
First, the MA doesn't go for that kind of "historical accuracy". Fields that rebuild in 15 minutes. ENY limits - yes, hording actually IS historically accurate. All kind of planes for every side... and so on.
Second: Numbers. During off hours we are often less than 40 players total, with maybe 5-10 'inflight' per side at all (of those, some are in tanks anyway). Under these conditions, it's hard enough to find any kind of sustained battle, more than just a single elusive red dot to chase. Even at Euro prime time we are down to 70-90 players total. Any field limit that would actually have an impact on numbers that low would cause these few people to spread out even more ("Sorry, you are the 3rd pilot to lift from that base, please choose another one"). Or imagine the only battle on the map is happening at a remote airbase... and you can't join because the field limit had been reached. :bhead
You have no Idea how much I wish the mega hordes of old coming back, so I would have anything to shoot at in my timezone... ;)
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: rpm on November 28, 2015, 04:57:01 PM
You never flew in Air Warrior, did you?
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: Lusche on November 28, 2015, 04:59:04 PM
No. I fly Aces High now and face the current conditions :)
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: DmonSlyr on November 28, 2015, 06:05:32 PM
All this complaining and I'm over here getting like 50 kills. :banana:
Right now in the MA. Be there.
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: Bellator on November 28, 2015, 07:26:20 PM
Some of the maps play a big part in too. Fester's map with that funnel down single base narrow front really makes it stink. Let's give each side 20 players logged on. The Bish get banged form both sides. The odds are two to one no matter which way you go and given the map you you only have those two choices. Geee! you think they know were coming? Maybe they won't know where were going. There's no strategy in this. 20 Rooks will be at Rook NOE 15k waiting on you. The rotten thing is the Bish can't take a base to broaden the front and open opportunities. And the Rooks and Knight won't take a base because it would mess up their vulch fest. So the map just lays there kicking dying. I think somebody commented the number of Bish just sitting in the tower. Of course their sitting in t he tower they can't get off the runway. It's better for us to just give the you the map and move on to the next one. But they'er so stuck on getting a score they can't even do that. I like a good fight as much as the next guy but I'm not going to keep trying to up on a vulched runway just to feed someones ego. Not whining about it. It is what is is. I know what alt-f4 is too.
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: DmonSlyr on November 28, 2015, 07:45:49 PM
Some of the maps play a big part in too. Fester's map with that funnel down single base narrow front really makes it stink. Let's give each side 20 players logged on. The Bish get banged form both sides. The odds are two to one no matter which way you go and given the map you you only have those two choices. Geee! you think they know were coming? Maybe they won't know where were going. There's no strategy in this. 20 Rooks will be at Rook NOE 15k waiting on you. The rotten thing is the Bish can't take a base to broaden the front and open opportunities. And the Rooks and Knight won't take a base because it would mess up their vulch fest. So the map just lays there kicking dying. I think somebody commented the number of Bish just sitting in the tower. Of course their sitting in t he tower they can't get off the runway. It's better for us to just give the you the map and move on to the next one. But they'er so stuck on getting a score they can't even do that. I like a good fight as much as the next guy but I'm not going to keep trying to up on a vulched runway just to feed someones ego. Not whining about it. It is what is is. I know what alt-f4 is too.
A. Take off at a different base and intercept the attackers from a higher alt.
B. Fly FSO if you want real strategy.
C. Fly KOTH tonight at 9 if you want to have a blast.
D.There are plenty of strategies you can employ to create fights or attack bases. You dont have to up at a vulched base. You can create kaos somewhere else. Both teams do not gang up on the bish and if they did that just gives you more opportunites to find fights. There is always an udefended base somewhere.
E. Create your own fun, dont worry about what your teams does all the time.
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: rpm on November 28, 2015, 08:52:47 PM
Then don't dis a solution that you know nothing about. It worked well.
it worked so well that a country was sometimes down to a single field and it was a never ending vulch fest. limiting the number of planes available only affects the defenders.
semp
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: The Fugitive on November 28, 2015, 10:01:53 PM
Then don't dis a solution that you know nothing about. It worked well.
Then I'll "dis" it. I flew AW until it was killed. It was a whole different animal. It was also a whole different type of player then. What worked then certainly NOT work now as we don't have the same players or conditions.
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: Oldman731 on November 28, 2015, 10:35:19 PM
Then I'll "dis" it. I flew AW until it was killed. It was a whole different animal. It was also a whole different type of player then. What worked then certainly NOT work now as we don't have the same players or conditions.
No question that the player base was significantly different back then. But AH has always been significantly different from AW, most noticeably (to me, at least) in AH's emphasis on land-grabbing and score competition. That doesn't mean that RPM's suggestion wouldn't work in AH; so far as I can tell, it's never been tried here.
- oldman
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: rpm on November 28, 2015, 11:13:41 PM
it worked so well that a country was sometimes down to a single field and it was a never ending vulch fest. limiting the number of planes available only affects the defenders.
semp
As opposed to strats being porked and a never ending vulch fest from a horde...
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: Badger85 on November 29, 2015, 12:09:57 AM
I don't usually post anymore because I'm not a subscriber. But I did support AH from 2012-2014. I miss the fights I had with VF-17 and the guys there. I did leave primarily because I became more interested in civilian flight sims like FSX and X-Plane, but also because I didn't think the cost of AH is anywhere near justifiable for me at this point.
Looking at just the sim and not necessarily the community of AH (the latter of which is great), AH doesn't offer much these days compared to other games. "WT" (I'll use initials for other sims since the mods don't like competitive statements here, from what I understand) is a free alternative for those that want to get introduced to combat flight sims. "IL" is a series that better caters to the hardcore WW2 flight sim gamer that wants good squad-type gameplay. "DC" is best for the hardest-core realism gamer looking for dogfights with small number of players, though.
I honestly don't see where AH fits into this marketplace.** I never bought the whole "we have the longest object draw distance of any flight sim" argument that the developers here sometimes put forth. Honestly, who really cares about this? In a cost-benefit analysis, this is probably one of the lowest items on my list in terms of what I'm looking for in a combat flight sim. Sometimes the flight models in AH are praised compared to other sims. I don't know if this claim is substantiated, but even if it is, someone who actually would appreciate this is just as much turned off by the other cartoonish aspects of the game (simplified cockpits and world physics).
And here I'll end my yearly rant about AH. I say these things with the hope that I can one day be enticed to come back to AH, since I did enjoy the historic gameplay. But AH3 previews already look outdated to me, so I will continue to wait and check back on the site once every few months in case things drastically change.
** Edit Note: I don't mean there can't be a place for AH in the marketplace. But for $180/yr compared to other contemporary games' pricing structure (some of which are free), there is no justifiable value there for me at this current price point.
A pricing structure that would intuitively make sense to me (though I have not done any market analysis/projections on this or would necessarily know how to do so) would be to make the AH MA online arenas free for everyone, but make the historical scenario and AvA, etc. specialized arenas $5/mo or something. The real value of AH is in those latter arenas (where most people who have played AH for a long time have the most fun) but the free online MA would draw in a greater crowd that could feed into the paid subscription pool. Just an idea...
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: Lusche on November 29, 2015, 01:49:53 AM
Then don't dis a solution that you know nothing about. It worked well.
a) I know enough of AW to know that it was a combat environment significantly different from AH. Heck, even the current AH environment is significantly different from the one 10 years ago, on several levels. A 'solution' that worked in a specific environment of a different game 20 years ago must not necessarily work in this game today. b) You still not provided the details, i.e. how it should work in AH. in particular, what should be the numbers allowed from each field. So that we can actually can think how it would possibly influence the dynamics of the game.
Untill then I stand by my major critizism: AH is suffering already from a way too dispersed population all over the maps (esp the large ones) during most of the day. As far as myself goes: I came here for dynamic battles, not duels.
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: FESS67 on November 29, 2015, 04:55:30 AM
I do not often chime in on topics like this because they usually degenerate into "it is crap" and "it is great" camps.
I fly almost exclusively in the time zones where there are between 90 and 30 players. Usually 40. Of those, 15 may be in flight.
Let's be clear. I fly this game for fighter combat. Nothing else. I understand many of you like to GV or buff, it is not for me.
In my time zone the game is painful - boring even - for 90% of the time. We have a player base that for some reason simply will not fight. I am not sure if it is points / score / stats / ego..........
That is making the game crap for me. Today I fought against a squad that shall remain nameless. <forum rules protect those that hurt the game>. They were happy to vulch our field for 15 to 20 mins at about a 2 to 1 ratio. When we broke out they had no fight in them at all. I chased 2 of them for 15 mins. Eventually I got 1 of them and the other got a proxy on me as the AA killed me trying to stop him landing his kills.
I asked on 200 if they were going to come back and play. They logged off.
Hitech cannot solve this issue. IMO the game is great. The players decide on the fight they give and too many decide to not fight. THAT is NOT the way to play a combat game.
Maybe remove stats / ranking. Make it just about the game. Dunno, just venting at poor gameplay that sees most of my deaths go to augers as I desperately search for a fight
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: Slade on November 29, 2015, 06:48:35 AM
Regardless of how you like to play, there are few issues here that simply having more players in this game would not solve. There would be something for everyone happening more of the time.
Sometimes objectivity can be lost to that fact. :salute
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: Max on November 29, 2015, 07:04:59 AM
It's become painfully obvious that PLAYERS are at fault for the current state of AH.
The fix is ever so simple...
BAN ALL PLAYERS! :banana: :old:
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: Shuffler on November 29, 2015, 07:14:11 AM
No, it's not just me. I see this night after night. The Bish do win a map now and then, I'm not saying they don't. But the regularity of getting strats pummeled and bases milkrunned has become the norm, especially in the overnight hours. When your ack stays down for an hour or more and you can only resup 10 minutes at a time, it's impossible when you're outnumbered and being hit on 2 fronts.
If I was a Knight, Rook or side jumper, I'd probably see no problems with it, too. Problem is I belong to a squad and we don't jump sides.
So you are saying your squad is the problem. Change squads. Some squads rotate or just change as needed.
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: Shuffler on November 29, 2015, 07:24:34 AM
I don't usually post anymore because I'm not a subscriber. But I did support AH from 2012-2014. I miss the fights I had with VF-17 and the guys there. I did leave primarily because I became more interested in civilian flight sims like FSX and X-Plane, but also because I didn't think the cost of AH is anywhere near justifiable for me at this point.
Looking at just the sim and not necessarily the community of AH (the latter of which is great), AH doesn't offer much these days compared to other games. "WT" (I'll use initials for other sims since the mods don't like competitive statements here, from what I understand) is a free alternative for those that want to get introduced to combat flight sims. "IL" is a series that better caters to the hardcore WW2 flight sim gamer that wants good squad-type gameplay. "DC" is best for the hardest-core realism gamer looking for dogfights with small number of players, though.
I honestly don't see where AH fits into this marketplace.** I never bought the whole "we have the longest object draw distance of any flight sim" argument that the developers here sometimes put forth. Honestly, who really cares about this? In a cost-benefit analysis, this is probably one of the lowest items on my list in terms of what I'm looking for in a combat flight sim. Sometimes the flight models in AH are praised compared to other sims. I don't know if this claim is substantiated, but even if it is, someone who actually would appreciate this is just as much turned off by the other cartoonish aspects of the game (simplified cockpits and world physics).
And here I'll end my yearly rant about AH. I say these things with the hope that I can one day be enticed to come back to AH, since I did enjoy the historic gameplay. But AH3 previews already look outdated to me, so I will continue to wait and check back on the site once every few months in case things drastically change.
** Edit Note: I don't mean there can't be a place for AH in the marketplace. But for $180/yr compared to other contemporary games' pricing structure (some of which are free), there is no justifiable value there for me at this current price point.
A pricing structure that would intuitively make sense to me (though I have not done any market analysis/projections on this or would necessarily know how to do so) would be to make the AH MA online arenas free for everyone, but make the historical scenario and AvA, etc. specialized arenas $5/mo or something. The real value of AH is in those latter arenas (where most people who have played AH for a long time have the most fun) but the free online MA would draw in a greater crowd that could feed into the paid subscription pool. Just an idea...
The so called free games are only free if you don't mind being destroyed over and over by those that buy in game items to make them stronger. Many spend far more in those type games. They are never ever really even player to player. You buy your skill rather than develope it.
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: Latrobe on November 29, 2015, 07:31:47 AM
Why do so many people hate the "2v1" country ganging? You have twice as many targets to shoot at now! I would kill to have that many options to choose from rather than log in and see everyone on my country ganging one field and absolutely nothing going on with the other front.
I'm starting to think people don't want combat in this game. :headscratch:
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: Wiley on November 29, 2015, 09:39:56 AM
Why do so many people hate the "2v1" country ganging? You have twice as many targets to shoot at now! I would kill to have that many options to choose from rather than log in and see everyone on my country ganging one field and absolutely nothing going on with the other front.
I'm starting to think people don't want combat in this game. :headscratch:
The comment earlier in the thread, "We can't take bases on Fester because they know where we're coming." really says it all.
Wiley.
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: Shuffler on November 29, 2015, 09:49:14 AM
The comment earlier in the thread, "We can't take bases on Fester because they know where we're coming." really says it all.
Wiley.
People can't take bases because the enemy knows where they're coming from? Just kill the enemy then and take the base. Base take missions don't need 100% secrecy, 50 NOE planes to an undefended base in order to take it. I've run a few missions before where we would intentionally create a sector of dar bar to let the enemy know we're coming and we still took the base.
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: darkzking on November 29, 2015, 10:23:04 AM
If you don't want to fight why are you playing the online? :rolleyes:
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: Tumor on November 29, 2015, 10:44:20 AM
Well... there's always War Thunder. :D
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: Shuffler on November 29, 2015, 10:47:57 AM
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: Someguy63 on November 29, 2015, 11:07:56 AM
Angry base-takers need more strategy...
It involves the brain...
It's called "thinking."
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: Bellator on November 29, 2015, 04:05:02 PM
Well, RPM that was a complete waste of time now wasn't. I'm certainly not trying to discourage you from playing the game. It's still a very good game and HiTech works hard to keep it that way. But if it gets that lopsided and you get aggravated with it. My honest solution for it is to simply log off for the night. Wish you well. <S> Bellator
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: VuduVee on November 29, 2015, 04:28:27 PM
Why do so many people hate the "2v1" country ganging? You have twice as many targets to shoot at now! I would kill to have that many options to choose from rather than log in and see everyone on my country ganging one field and absolutely nothing going on with the other front.
I'm starting to think people don't want combat in this game. :headscratch:
trust me, people dont want combat in this game. in my opinion, the reason they 2 v 1 a country is because there is little risk to their egos when they can avoid combat by hanging in a 30 man vulchfest/horde. its easy to kick a deadhorse. it doesnt fight back. so thats what they do. theyre hiders. like rpm. you can up from a different base, fly for 10 mins, get there and you will immediately have every idiot there taking any shot they have to get you and youre dead in 30 seconds. so you just wasted 10 mins for nothing. you have no chance of competing against 30 easy moders who are hanging at the end of the runway. so whats the point in even trying? there is none. this is part of what you get for 15 a month. its one of the main reasons im done at the end of december. its one less customer in a game that is being killed by the players. good riddance of me.
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: VuduVee on November 29, 2015, 04:39:37 PM
The comment earlier in the thread, "We can't take bases on Fester because they know where we're coming." really says it all.
Wiley.
yes it does say it all. another hider crying about getting what he gives. smh
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: Bellator on November 29, 2015, 05:18:22 PM
I think that was kind of the point VuduVee. On a a map that's only touching in one spot you can up from three or four sectors away and fly 15 or 20 minutes. You'll find 10 enemy planes waiting on you. Doesn't matter how far back you up from. The results are the same. We can't all be the Super Aces High Hero Latrobe is. A broader front at least gives you the option of de-acking some other base somewhere and perhaps lure some vulcher out for an equal fight. Me, I'd still get killed. But a least I had a chance to swing at you. <S> Bellator
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: guncrasher on November 29, 2015, 05:33:32 PM
trust me, people dont want combat in this game. in my opinion, the reason they 2 v 1 a country is because there is little risk to their egos when they can avoid combat by hanging in a 30 man vulchfest/horde. its easy to kick a deadhorse. it doesnt fight back. so thats what they do. theyre hiders. like rpm. you can up from a different base, fly for 10 mins, get there and you will immediately have every idiot there taking any shot they have to get you and youre dead in 30 seconds. so you just wasted 10 mins for nothing. you have no chance of competing against 30 easy moders who are hanging at the end of the runway. so whats the point in even trying? there is none. this is part of what you get for 15 a month. its one of the main reasons im done at the end of december. its one less customer in a game that is being killed by the players. good riddance of me.
see that's the thing. you want a 1v1 we have the da for it. if you dont want to get killed at end of runway well dont up from another base and be stupid enough to fly to the end of the runway. I mean if you just gonna do that, might as well safe the 10 minutes and up from that base.
you dont want to get killed by people in easy mode. go play another game. all airplanes in here are easy mode. that includes the ones you fly since they're easily killed as you cant fly them for crap.
semp
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: rpm on November 29, 2015, 06:33:47 PM
Well, RPM that was a complete waste of time now wasn't. I'm certainly not trying to discourage you from playing the game. It's still a very good game and HiTech works hard to keep it that way. But if it gets that lopsided and you get aggravated with it. My honest solution for it is to simply log off for the night. Wish you well. <S> Bellator
WTH are you babbling about? :headscratch:
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: VuduVee on November 29, 2015, 07:16:08 PM
see that's the thing. you want a 1v1 we have the da for it. if you dont want to get killed at end of runway well dont up from another base and be stupid enough to fly to the end of the runway. I mean if you just gonna do that, might as well safe the 10 minutes and up from that base.
you dont want to get killed by people in easy mode. go play another game. all airplanes in here are easy mode. that includes the ones you fly since they're easily killed as you cant fly them for crap.
semp
reading comprehension sempy boy. try it sometime. i said that the same people who will gang and jump into the gang are the same ones who will run from the 1v1. i also did not say that i fly for 10 mins just to fly to the end of the runway. what i did say is that as soon as you get there, every red guy there jumps you and then youre dead in 30 secs. for you to take up for the runner/ganger/hiders is proof that people dont want combat in a combat game. you somehow validate hiding in a gang and believe it doesnt kill the game. have some pride and compete in a game. take on a challenge and come out of your gang and risk fighting. and for YOU to trash talk me like that is something else. considering.....
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: guncrasher on November 29, 2015, 08:12:20 PM
reading comprehension sempy boy. try it sometime. i said that the same people who will gang and jump into the gang are the same ones who will run from the 1v1. i also did not say that i fly for 10 mins just to fly to the end of the runway. what i did say is that as soon as you get there, every red guy there jumps you and then youre dead in 30 secs. for you to take up for the runner/ganger/hiders is proof that people dont want combat in a combat game. you somehow validate hiding in a gang and believe it doesnt kill the game. have some pride and compete in a game. take on a challenge and come out of your gang and risk fighting. and for YOU to trash talk me like that is something else. considering.....
first of all I dont come here to have pride. I dont need to learn that in a cartoon game. second if I want to take a challenge I'll volunteer somewhere in real life, like I do now, not in a stupid cartoon game. 3rd the fact that you press the trigger means you are in combat in a combat cartoon game.
it's your fault that you expect different results by doing the exact same thing every time you up a plane.
semp
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: DmonSlyr on November 29, 2015, 08:23:48 PM
That newbs get pwned and they should learn the game better before complaining.
Far from a newb or I wouldn't be complaining.
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: Bellator on November 29, 2015, 10:19:05 PM
That settles it then! We need a map with one Knight base, one Rook base, and one Bishop base arranged in a triangle with all the radar ring touching each other. We can also have a ceiling cap of 5k. Won't need any of them dumb CVs or spawns. Won't need any clouds or mountains or not of that kinda stuff. It'll save Hitech a lot of work and really help those older PC's with graphic problems. Yea, and that way nobody can run away, or hide, choose to fight or not, or stuff like that. Just straight on and get after it. Wow, that ought to attract a lot of potential players. I'm sure Skuzzy will get right on that.
(Now are we done with the stupid?) The only point I might attempt to make is we should be supporting the game with idea's instead of trying to trash mouth each other. The game changes as the players evolve. If something creates an unpleasant environment in the game. We should be looking at it objectively instead trying to beat somebody over the head with it. <S> Bellator
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: VuduVee on November 29, 2015, 11:12:44 PM
See Rule #6
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: rpm on November 30, 2015, 12:12:30 AM
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: bustr on November 30, 2015, 12:02:49 PM
At least we were willing to fly our over priced 262 through his ack and friends who upped to save him at a medium field to get him in his 262.
This sounds like someone has reached their personal shelf life and has to blame others to avoid admitting it to themselves. And he's angry at Hitech by the way of wishing him a failing future. That is very small spirited for a person pointing fingers at others about their lack of proper game spirit. He has made it Hitech's fault he cannot get a woody anymore about the product. So he wants Hitech to fail for not bowing to his need and pulling x,y, or z out of his whatsit to make him a happy addict again.
I guess his focus is too narrow as of yet to catch on that life is cyclic and this to will pass.
Hey Waystin none of our 262 even touched his, didn't another Pig get him with a Typhoon inside his ack circle?
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: VuduVee on November 30, 2015, 02:37:20 PM
yep, there ya go skyyr/bustr, drivel on with your wannabe intellect and just make up whatever untruth you can. come to the bbs and troll me. play as dirty as possible and hide from any fight available till you have friends. kind of like youre doing here. not once did i ever say i want the game to fail. i said people like you and your guys are killing the game. i dont want the game to fail and i also think the game is set up pretty well. i believe the players are killing it and thats what ive said.
as far as you grasping for straws for anything to troll me with like the jet business. what you guys did is typical hider/runner/ganger mentality. nits had numbers, bish had numbers, rook were low numbers. so low, in USA PRIMETIME, no less, that i was able to get my jet for 160 perks...again, in USA PRIMETIME. the frontline bases were busy and rooks were getting hammered, because that map works out like that sometimes. i was only there because my teammate asked me to help him. he was bombers. i see a 38 and then a jet. waystin in his jet immediately runs like theres no tommorrow. i knew it was POTW, because you guys are the only squad in AH who up jets to hide in when you already have every advantage of numbers and fields. i chase waystin only long enough to get him tactically out of the fight. bc even though its waystin, i still have no want to kill his jet just because its him and a jet and just to spite/harrass a player, like you guys do. next thing i see is 2 more jets and brave waystin coming back after running away. i have no choice but to run to my base. you guys then chase my jet 4 sectors for no other reason than to spite/harass. there was NO tactical reason at all. it was pure spite 100%. it ends up being 5 of you guys hanging at the end of my runway and 2 of my guys try to help me get landed with a PW. you guys do all of this while at the same time your base has a huge furball over it, vulching your guys and taking your base. so, instead of helping your team, you guys are harrassing a single player. doing your level best to spite someone for no other reason than the reaction you get. and thats the difference between me and you. i dont feel the need to spite someone to make myself happy. i dont run around harrassing people. you seem to enjoy it quite a bit. the evidence of that is this troll post you responded to me with. youre obviously as happy as you can be about aggravating me. that says a lot about you and your group. i dont understand how making a person miserable is satisfying to people. its low character quality if you ask me. but its typical play from veteran players and its helping to kill the game. the game will have 1 less player at the end of december. way to go.
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: waystin2 on November 30, 2015, 05:58:58 PM
You got suckered in to diving down on a lower jet and then were chased for three sectors to your ack and killed before you could land. Enjoy. :aok
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: guncrasher on November 30, 2015, 06:00:07 PM
vudubee the pigs will up jets to go 4 or 5 sometimes 6 sectors because they see a big red bar between rooks and bishops and well we just dont want to be left out.
we also up 262's when there's a big dar bar incoming to one of our bases. it's a waste of a 262 to go vulch a base, unless you make the mistake of trying kill another pig. then we'll chase you to wherever you go and the only reason is to help you get back in the tower and into another plane without wasting time trying to land.
so take a break if you need to. I dont fly as often as I did before due to burn out. but when I play I do it to bring enjoyment into my life. sorry it spoils yours. but if you pm your location I'll bring it to the attention of all the pigs that you arent to be touched. unless of course you come within 6k of a pig.
semp
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: Tumor on November 30, 2015, 06:07:23 PM
FWIW.. Jet's are for Tools.
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: VuduVee on November 30, 2015, 06:13:33 PM
vudubee the pigs will up jets to go 4 or 5 sometimes 6 sectors because they see a big red bar between rooks and bishops and well we just dont want to be left out.
we also up 262's when there's a big dar bar incoming to one of our bases. it's a waste of a 262 to go vulch a base, unless you make the mistake of trying kill another pig. then we'll chase you to wherever you go and the only reason is to help you get back in the tower and into another plane without wasting time trying to land.
so take a break if you need to. I dont fly as often as I did before due to burn out. but when I play I do it to bring enjoyment into my life. sorry it spoils yours. but if you pm your location I'll bring it to the attention of all the pigs that you arent to be touched. unless of course you come within 6k of a pig.
semp
lol no chance in hell that i PM you my location. i know for sure that you guys would immediately stalk and harrass me to kill my jet out of pure spite. in fact, i believe the only reason you are telling me to PM you, is that you think im stupid enough to tell you my location so you could spite/harrass me. terrible try. its more proof of people trying to kill the game.
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: guncrasher on November 30, 2015, 06:29:22 PM
lol no chance in hell that i PM you my location. i know for sure that you guys would immediately stalk and harrass me to kill my jet out of pure spite. in fact, i believe the only reason you are telling me to PM you, is that you think im stupid enough to tell you my location so you could spite/harrass me. terrible try. its more proof of people trying to kill the game.
vuduvee we arent trying to kill the game. we just trying to kill you :noid.
semp
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: VuduVee on November 30, 2015, 06:56:31 PM
vuduvee we arent trying to kill the game. we just trying to kill you :noid.
semp
glad you admit that you harass players. skyyr got banned for it.
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: bustr on November 30, 2015, 07:20:25 PM
No we don't harass other players. Upping a 262 for the safety net of stalking lesser powered rides in an enemy country with impunity is harassing a whole front with "nenner, neener, you can't touch me". Turned out you could be touched and sent to the tower over your own medium base with all of it's ack up on the base and the nearby town.
You were delusional enough to believe your 262 equated safety and personal power in the game. Skyyr actually stayed and fought us in his 262, and sometimes took one of us with him when all was said and done.
It was easy to ask the Pigs flying prop fighters in your operational area if they saw you. Then we simply deduced from your dar dot how to cut you off. You made the mistake of invading Pig airspace in a 262 and paid for it. This is nothing new that squads have done in this game since the beginning. Razor used to kill 262 solo in his Mossi6 all the time. Many of us bag at least a single 262 each tour in prop planes. It's no big deal. Razor has gotten lazy and ups a 262 now and the rest of us fly wing cover for him. You were very lucky since his 262 kills in the Mossi are usual 1000-1200 because of the hispanos. And because of the performance differences, he stalks 262 in his Mossi to setup the perfect shot. Myself, Waystin and Razor have more perks than we know what to do with. So we don't care what happens once the chase is on. If it wasn't your 262 it would have been bombers. We primarily target bombers and 262 when we are in 262 to help remove some pressure from the knights. Fly 262 in knight land when Razor and Waystin are not on together. Better yet when neither are on to give the scramble call.
OINK Sweety Pie.
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: NatCigg on November 30, 2015, 07:29:09 PM
yep, there ya go skyyr/bustr, drivel on with your wannabe intellect and just make up whatever untruth you can. come to the bbs and troll me. play as dirty as possible and hide from any fight available till you have friends. kind of like youre doing here. not once did i ever say i want the game to fail. i said people like you and your guys are killing the game. i dont want the game to fail and i also think the game is set up pretty well. i believe the players are killing it and thats what ive said.
as far as you grasping for straws for anything to troll me with like the jet business. what you guys did is typical hider/runner/ganger mentality. nits had numbers, bish had numbers, rook were low numbers. so low, in USA PRIMETIME, no less, that i was able to get my jet for 160 perks...again, in USA PRIMETIME. the frontline bases were busy and rooks were getting hammered, because that map works out like that sometimes. i was only there because my teammate asked me to help him. he was bombers. i see a 38 and then a jet. waystin in his jet immediately runs like theres no tommorrow. i knew it was POTW, because you guys are the only squad in AH who up jets to hide in when you already have every advantage of numbers and fields. i chase waystin only long enough to get him tactically out of the fight. bc even though its waystin, i still have no want to kill his jet just because its him and a jet and just to spite/harrass a player, like you guys do. next thing i see is 2 more jets and brave waystin coming back after running away. i have no choice but to run to my base. you guys then chase my jet 4 sectors for no other reason than to spite/harass. there was NO tactical reason at all. it was pure spite 100%. it ends up being 5 of you guys hanging at the end of my runway and 2 of my guys try to help me get landed with a PW. you guys do all of this while at the same time your base has a huge furball over it, vulching your guys and taking your base. so, instead of helping your team, you guys are harrassing a single player. doing your level best to spite someone for no other reason than the reaction you get. and thats the difference between me and you. i dont feel the need to spite someone to make myself happy. i dont run around harrassing people. you seem to enjoy it quite a bit. the evidence of that is this troll post you responded to me with. youre obviously as happy as you can be about aggravating me. that says a lot about you and your group. i dont understand how making a person miserable is satisfying to people. its low character quality if you ask me. but its typical play from veteran players and its helping to kill the game. the game will have 1 less player at the end of december. way to go.
vudu wins! :banana: pigs lose. :old: pick and vulch fighter jock squads are lame to fight against. on the same team they are lame; playing on vox, uninviting to noobs. been the death of knights for years. with low numbers the problem of jock vs. dweeb gets worse, kinda like a small town. :salute
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: SPKmes on November 30, 2015, 07:30:03 PM
Oh everybody just shut up.... :old:
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: molybdenum on November 30, 2015, 08:32:29 PM
you guys then chase my jet 4 sectors for no other reason than to spite/harass. there was NO tactical reason at all. it was pure spite 100%... i dont understand how making a person miserable is satisfying to people. its low character quality if you ask me.
Vudu, I avoid 200 a lot precisely because of people like you. You taunt and whine ad infinitum. If enemy players found out you were in a perk plane and decided to up en masse to get you, you probably invited it because of your conduct. Don't expect strategic behavior on the part of your adversaries when your conduct invites the opposite.
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: 68ZooM on November 30, 2015, 08:40:42 PM
lol no chance in hell that i PM you my location. i know for sure that you guys would immediately stalk and harrass me to kill my jet out of pure spite. in fact, i believe the only reason you are telling me to PM you, is that you think im stupid enough to tell you my location so you could spite/harrass me. terrible try. its more proof of people trying to kill the game.
You should probably go find a safe zone and form yourself a prayer circle......
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: VuduVee on November 30, 2015, 08:59:24 PM
Vudu, I avoid 200 a lot precisely because of people like you. You taunt and whine ad infinitum. If enemy players found out you were in a perk plane and decided to up en masse to get you, you probably invited it because of your conduct. Don't expect strategic behavior on the part of your adversaries when your conduct invites the opposite.
i dont taunt. i gripe about things that i think are sorry in my opinion. but, what i think is sorry about the players is the norm in AHII. so im the minority in that opinion. so, im done with AH. have at it. its one less player in a dying game.
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: VuduVee on November 30, 2015, 09:01:41 PM
No we don't harass other players. Upping a 262 for the safety net of stalking lesser powered rides in an enemy country with impunity is harassing a whole front with "nenner, neener, you can't touch me". Turned out you could be touched and sent to the tower over your own medium base with all of it's ack up on the base and the nearby town.
You were delusional enough to believe your 262 equated safety and personal power in the game. Skyyr actually stayed and fought us in his 262, and sometimes took one of us with him when all was said and done.
It was easy to ask the Pigs flying prop fighters in your operational area if they saw you. Then we simply deduced from your dar dot how to cut you off. You made the mistake of invading Pig airspace in a 262 and paid for it. This is nothing new that squads have done in this game since the beginning. Razor used to kill 262 solo in his Mossi6 all the time. Many of us bag at least a single 262 each tour in prop planes. It's no big deal. Razor has gotten lazy and ups a 262 now and the rest of us fly wing cover for him. You were very lucky since his 262 kills in the Mossi are usual 1000-1200 because of the hispanos. And because of the performance differences, he stalks 262 in his Mossi to setup the perfect shot. Myself, Waystin and Razor have more perks than we know what to do with. So we don't care what happens once the chase is on. If it wasn't your 262 it would have been bombers. We primarily target bombers and 262 when we are in 262 to help remove some pressure from the knights. Fly 262 in knight land when Razor and Waystin are not on together. Better yet when neither are on to give the scramble call.
OINK Sweety Pie.
your so full of it. complete drivel.
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: The Fugitive on November 30, 2015, 09:12:18 PM
It's sad that some people believe that "their" fun out weights everyone else, except maybe their squad. This game is slowly dying and one of the reason is players who are self centered like this. It's too bad players cant have respect for others even if it is "only a video game" and help EVERYONE have fun at something we all pay to enjoy.
We all know it's not the game driving people away, it's players. What kind are you?
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: Ack-Ack on November 30, 2015, 09:25:06 PM
It's sad that some people believe that "their" fun out weights everyone else, except maybe their squad. This game is slowly dying and one of the reason is players who are self centered like this. It's too bad players cant have respect for others even if it is "only a video game" and help EVERYONE have fun at something we all pay to enjoy.
We all know it's not the game driving people away, it's players. What kind are you?
What fun are the PoW squadron ruining for others? I've seen nothing from this squadron that even remotely qualifie of ruining the fun of others.
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: VuduVee on November 30, 2015, 09:52:49 PM
What fun are the PoW squadron ruining for others? I've seen nothing from this squadron that even remotely qualifie of ruining the fun of others.
whats the point of chasing a person 4 sectors because hes in a jet? if you kill it, does it mean there is one less jet that can be flying around? or can the jet pilot instantly reup another jet? theres only one single reason a whole squad chases a jet for 4 sectors. and Bustr eludes to that very reason. its to spite that player. then semp comes to this thread to talk smack to me specifically. he completely avoids the OP main topic. then his squaddies jump in. what do you call that?
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: VuduVee on November 30, 2015, 09:56:43 PM
it all ties in handedly as one reason the game is dying.
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: Bellator on November 30, 2015, 09:58:24 PM
If I get real ignorant on forum here, can I get a bunch of stars by my name too?
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: Volron on November 30, 2015, 10:16:39 PM
whats the point of chasing a person 4 sectors because hes in a jet? if you kill it, does it mean there is one less jet that can be flying around? or can the jet pilot instantly reup another jet? theres only one single reason a whole squad chases a jet for 4 sectors. and Bustr eludes to that very reason. its to spite that player. then semp comes to this thread to talk smack to me specifically. he completely avoids the OP main topic. then his squaddies jump in. what do you call that?
vodovee your main complain was that people are running from a fight and into the ack. and you are complaining because somebody chased you for 4 sectors and into the ack and killed you.
the irony is strong.
semp
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: diaster on December 01, 2015, 12:08:58 AM
vodovee your main complain was that people are running from a fight and into the ack. and you are complaining because somebody chased you for 4 sectors and into the ack and killed you.
the irony is strong.
semp
our little conversation is a little off topic, but still ties into the OP's post. because its about players turning the game into a non tactical, spite driven toxic mess of an environment. im not a join em if i cant beat em person when i know that the norms are dirty. ill try to change minds. if that doesnt work, i go to the next level and try to shame them. but you cant shame them when the majority are indoctrinated into the sorriness. they get more emboldened and dig in and turn you into the bad guy. my mistake for thinking people are mostly good. i was wrong. the difference between what i did and what i complained about, is that i was running in a jet, from 3 jets, a pony, a 38 and apparently, according to bustr a tempy. thats 1 person running from 5 or 6 people. i seen 5 only. my complaint since you conveniently and deceptively leave it out, is that you people will run from a fair fight nearly every single time. but are the first to jump in on the gang bang. in four yrs of playing, i can count on one hand how many times ive ran from a fight or ganging and have fingers left to pick my nose still. i promise that the only reason i ran then is that there was a prop plane or two that are waiting for me to get slow so that they could gang me too. otherwise im confident that ill eat you alive in a jet vs jet, 1v1, 2v1 and maybe even 3v1( like i was vs waystin, which is why he ran and i broke off a sec later). i broke off but couldve easily gotten him bc i had all the advantage. but im not a spite player. i have no intentions like you guys seemingly do, to spite a player for my kicks.
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: VuduVee on December 01, 2015, 05:03:28 AM
im thinking since i complained, i should offer good tactical reasons on some things i see as wrong.
when 2 teams are dogging 1 team so bad that the 1 team literally has 20 or 30% of their own bases on a large map, its proof that people are avoiding combat by kicking the dead horse. when my team is part of a 2v1 beat down, me and several other players consistently call for rooks to start on the other team right away. thats because we dont need anymore of their bases and we have plenty of insurance bases. so its time to work the other team. for me and my reasons, its no fun or a challenge to me to be a part of that 2 v1 beatdown. i want a challenge, not a handout.
when i see my teammates dogging 1 red, lets say 5 on 1, i tell em right then, that theres no tactical sense in ganging the one guy at our base considering he has 5, 10 or 15 teammates headed that way to bounce the crap out of em. when they show up, my teammates will all be dead and at a huge disadvantage when they try to reup. theyll just die over and over because they were too busy kill shooting each other for a single red guy. they shouldve bypassed the fight when they seen it was 2v1 and been at alt with E and ready to put up a decent fight AWAY from the end of our runway. it makes NO tactical sense at all to gang like that.
when people are chasing empty bombers or clearly rtb planes, i will tell my teammate(s) that if you kill him all you are doing is helping him to get more ords or ammo back onto targets at our base. that doesnt help us at all. it hurts us. it cuts his flight time down and he can immediately be back up and saving time and bombing the crap out of our stuff in 10 mins instead of 20. make the poor sob fly all the way home and give our bases more time to be ready. and also, while your chasing empty bombers, full bombers are inbound and likely getting a free pass to do as they please. common freakin sense.
bomb and bailers, to me, they are gaming the game. and probably do the same cheap things in real life if they can get away with it. i highly doubt there was ever a time when a perfectly good airplane was bailed out of. these guys are the epitome of combat avoidance. in a combat game. i seen a full set of b29s bail out before he even bombed, just to avoid the possibility of combat. i really dont have a clue why anyone bombs and bails other than just being cheap players. the tactic these bomb and bailers should be using is keeping a darbar up so that the easy mode chasers will chase him while his buddies bomb the crap out of their base. but since hes bailed, now those guys can go and kill his friendly bombers before they bomb. the bomb and bailer screwed his teammates.
suicide defenders- these guys up to defend their base and plow into you anyway they can. he will crash into you, he will ho you. you die and he reups and repeats that on the other guys in the attack. you have to fly 5 to 10 mins to get there or get back to that base, but he can instantly be right back up in 10 secs. theres no penalty for the suicide defenders. they can suicide into you every chance he gets. you say, well vudu, dont let em get up. thats a good idea and a good tactic. but you cant always keep em from upping when you are deacking town/base or shooting/bombing it. thats when they go for the suicide defense, then reup, suicide, reup over and over till all attackers are gone. so you try to get to them before they get E and you kill em, then back to work till they reup. but it never fails, they immediately go nose on or just flat out crash into you with guns blazing. even when you try to vulch them during your base attack, they try to pull nose up to ho or crash into you or both. so that if the guns dont get you the crash will. in my opinion its dirty play. just my opinion, dont crap yourselves over it. i think there should be a 2 to 5 min wait before the suicide defender can lift from that base. just my opinion, dont crap yourselves over it. the tactic here is to call for help by putting out an alert and then up multiple planes to defend. you can also resupply and totally throw an attack off most times. you can up from a different base and kill their troops, their vh, look for their goon, look for their m3. you can up a tank or wirble and get it to town. again, common sense and you dont have to game the game by knowing you can suicide and reup 10 secs later. its cheap play in my opinion. just my opinion though, dont crap yourselves.
the runner comebacker- this guy will run from the fight towards his base everytime hoping the ack will kill you and he can get a freebie without earning it. then when you turn away he immediately tries to turn back in. you reverse him again and he runs to ack again. you turn away, he comes back out. rinse repeat. to me, if youre going to run and hide, just keep going and land it out. or better yet, out fight someone and quit being scared in a game that you dont really die in. you know the guy is going home and he only turns back in because you keep trying to give chase only to get reversed and then run. the tactic i do with these types is let them give chase until theyre too far to run and hide. i turn and engage them and trap them so they cant chicken out and run.
im sure there are some ardent defenders of all these things that i think are screwed up. theyre the majority in AH. im part of the minority in this thinking. thats ok though, you can rip me all you want. but, when it comes time that these players have to fight players like me, theyll lose because they never put themselves in a position to learn from mistakes. their egos are too fragile for it or maybe theyre afraid to take a risk. i feel sorry for these types and the reason is because a person doesnt just flip a switch and become someone different in game than they are in real life. you are what you are. in real life if you dont take any risks you can bet youll have no real rewards that you can take true pride in. you wont get better at whatever you do or like if you dont take risks and learn from mistakes. youll plateau out and get stale. i think this plays a huge part in why we as a general public collective conscience dont have a better world. because we dont push for higher reaches. we accept mediocrity and our world is absolute proof of it.
in game, if youre going to spend the time to play, why not be as good as you can and push to get even better? why waste your time if you dont want to outright beat the other guy and make him pay fairly and squarely? i guarantee that Bruv, AKAK, Mano, dr7, 999000 to name a few of the best went after the fight like rabid dogs and pushed themselves because they came to compete if they were going to spend their time playing. for me, when i know these guys are on, i put myself in their airspace in the hopes of learning and hopefully beating them fair and square. its a pretty good rush to fight them and see where you stand. i even won a few times. theyre 10s, im somewhere around 7. i gave them everything i had. i do the same thing in real life and because of it im very good at what i do and i can prove it. i wish the norm in AH was this way, but its not.
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: hgtonyvi on December 01, 2015, 06:43:58 AM
im thinking since i complained, i should offer good tactical reasons on some things i see as wrong.
when 2 teams are dogging 1 team so bad that the 1 team literally has 20 or 30% of their own bases on a large map, its proof that people are avoiding combat by kicking the dead horse. when my team is part of a 2v1 beat down, me and several other players consistently call for rooks to start on the other team right away. thats because we dont need anymore of their bases and we have plenty of insurance bases. so its time to work the other team. for me and my reasons, its no fun or a challenge to me to be a part of that 2 v1 beatdown. i want a challenge, not a handout.
when i see my teammates dogging 1 red, lets say 5 on 1, i tell em right then, that theres no tactical sense in ganging the one guy at our base considering he has 5, 10 or 15 teammates headed that way to bounce the crap out of em. when they show up, my teammates will all be dead and at a huge disadvantage when they try to reup. theyll just die over and over because they were too busy kill shooting each other for a single red guy. they shouldve bypassed the fight when they seen it was 2v1 and been at alt with E and ready to put up a decent fight AWAY from the end of our runway. it makes NO tactical sense at all to gang like that.
when people are chasing empty bombers or clearly rtb planes, i will tell my teammate(s) that if you kill him all you are doing is helping him to get more ords or ammo back onto targets at our base. that doesnt help us at all. it hurts us. it cuts his flight time down and he can immediately be back up and saving time and bombing the crap out of our stuff in 10 mins instead of 20. make the poor sob fly all the way home and give our bases more time to be ready. and also, while your chasing empty bombers, full bombers are inbound and likely getting a free pass to do as they please. common freakin sense.
bomb and bailers, to me, they are gaming the game. and probably do the same cheap things in real life if they can get away with it. i highly doubt there was ever a time when a perfectly good airplane was bailed out of. these guys are the epitome of combat avoidance. in a combat game. i seen a full set of b29s bail out before he even bombed, just to avoid the possibility of combat. i really dont have a clue why anyone bombs and bails other than just being cheap players. the tactic these bomb and bailers should be using is keeping a darbar up so that the easy mode chasers will chase him while his buddies bomb the crap out of their base. but since hes bailed, now those guys can go and kill his friendly bombers before they bomb. the bomb and bailer screwed his teammates.
suicide defenders- these guys up to defend their base and plow into you anyway they can. he will crash into you, he will ho you. you die and he reups and repeats that on the other guys in the attack. you have to fly 5 to 10 mins to get there or get back to that base, but he can instantly be right back up in 10 secs. theres no penalty for the suicide defenders. they can suicide into you every chance he gets. you say, well vudu, dont let em get up. thats a good idea and a good tactic. but you cant always keep em from upping when you are deacking town/base or shooting/bombing it. thats when they go for the suicide defense, then reup, suicide, reup over and over till all attackers are gone. so you try to get to them before they get E and you kill em, then back to work till they reup. but it never fails, they immediately go nose on or just flat out crash into you with guns blazing. even when you try to vulch them during your base attack, they try to pull nose up to ho or crash into you or both. so that if the guns dont get you the crash will. in my opinion its dirty play. just my opinion, dont crap yourselves over it. i think there should be a 2 to 5 min wait before the suicide defender can lift from that base. just my opinion, dont crap yourselves over it. the tactic here is to call for help by putting out an alert and then up multiple planes to defend. you can also resupply and totally throw an attack off most times. you can up from a different base and kill their troops, their vh, look for their goon, look for their m3. you can up a tank or wirble and get it to town. again, common sense and you dont have to game the game by knowing you can suicide and reup 10 secs later. its cheap play in my opinion. just my opinion though, dont crap yourselves.
the runner comebacker- this guy will run from the fight towards his base everytime hoping the ack will kill you and he can get a freebie without earning it. then when you turn away he immediately tries to turn back in. you reverse him again and he runs to ack again. you turn away, he comes back out. rinse repeat. to me, if youre going to run and hide, just keep going and land it out. or better yet, out fight someone and quit being scared in a game that you dont really die in. you know the guy is going home and he only turns back in because you keep trying to give chase only to get reversed and then run. the tactic i do with these types is let them give chase until theyre too far to run and hide. i turn and engage them and trap them so they cant chicken out and run.
im sure there are some ardent defenders of all these things that i think are screwed up. theyre the majority in AH. im part of the minority in this thinking. thats ok though, you can rip me all you want. but, when it comes time that these players have to fight players like me, theyll lose because they never put themselves in a position to learn from mistakes. their egos are too fragile for it or maybe theyre afraid to take a risk. i feel sorry for these types and the reason is because a person doesnt just flip a switch and become someone different in game than they are in real life. you are what you are. in real life if you dont take any risks you can bet youll have no real rewards that you can take true pride in. you wont get better at whatever you do or like if you dont take risks and learn from mistakes. youll plateau out and get stale. i think this plays a huge part in why we as a general public collective conscience dont have a better world. because we dont push for higher reaches. we accept mediocrity and our world is absolute proof of it.
in game, if youre going to spend the time to play, why not be as good as you can and push to get even better? why waste your time if you dont want to outright beat the other guy and make him pay fairly and squarely? i guarantee that Bruv, AKAK, Mano, dr7, 999000 to name a few of the best went after the fight like rabid dogs and pushed themselves because they came to compete if they were going to spend their time playing. for me, when i know these guys are on, i put myself in their airspace in the hopes of learning and hopefully beating them fair and square. its a pretty good rush to fight them and see where you stand. i even won a few times. theyre 10s, im somewhere around 7. i gave them everything i had. i do the same thing in real life and because of it im very good at what i do and i can prove it. i wish the norm in AH was this way, but its not.
Hey as I returned I bumped into ya with ur g-14....how was the beating? lol....just kidding..they were fun
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: waystin2 on December 01, 2015, 07:00:19 AM
You will be more of a joy to fight and less of a joy to shoot down if you can control yourself on channel 200 and not PM folks when you get shot down. Right now you are a joy to shoot down.
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: Changeup on December 01, 2015, 09:15:29 AM
vodovee your main complain was that people are running from a fight and into the ack. and you are complaining because somebody chased you for 4 sectors and into the ack and killed you.
...coming from the king of perch, swoop, pick - climb, perch swoop pick, vulch, ho, all on low E ftrs
You should take him to the DA and see. My bet is you lose every fight.
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: Oyabun on December 01, 2015, 09:19:05 AM
VooduVee does have many points about the player base within the game.
There is always the 'extenuating circumstances' but for the most part every night I log on AH 75% of my time spent is engaged with one of the player types he listed. 25% of my time is in a 'real fight' with someone regardless who had the advantage at the start of the fight.
This game is not junk! :old:
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: VuduVee on December 01, 2015, 10:28:29 AM
rudeboi, i dont remember any "beating". i remember getting ganged and you picking me 3 times. they werent fun at all to me. as i recall, i counted 6 v 1 in the last one before one shot my chute thinking it would be a kill. that was a fun furball until you guys started hanging at the end of the runway so that i would have to fly 10 mins for a 30 second gangbang. i just logged and chalked it up as another reason to quit playing for 15 a month.
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: VuduVee on December 01, 2015, 10:35:17 AM
You will be more of a joy to fight and less of a joy to shoot down if you can control yourself on channel 200 and not PM folks when you get shot down. Right now you are a joy to shoot down.
waystin, its well known that you fly around jumping into gang bangs and taking any shot possible in your little zero. and your IV taunt salutes make it so that i have no regrets in calling out players like you on 200 or PM.
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: syko on December 01, 2015, 10:44:56 AM
Sooo what... you get chased and killed boohoo :cry In your mind its wrong for someone to chase you down and kill you but it's ok for you to come over pick from the high heaven's and then run and cry on 200 about how someone else is ruining the game..... how bout STFU. :ahand This game is NOT a 1 on 1 duel arena game... so go to the dueling arena if you want that kind of fight. What ruins the game its trolls like you that want a high score and whine when someone kills them, I believe you need to take scoring out of the game so butt hurt pilot's stop complaining. We make a contest out of killing the most 262's its a blast, sorry you don't have fun in this game because AH is the best game ever. If your red your dead if you dropped bombs on our main land you will die. This is war all is fair. This is only a game, play it or don't play it, stop all the whining because that's what is truly ruins a game. As we are irritating to you so are the lone guys that wait in the heavens to pick off mission's they are irritating to Us. (that includes you)
You act as if running to the ack is a bad thing, but its a way to profile to see if their a good pilot or not, a good pilot will avoid the ack... a crappy pilot will run right through the ack .. there are many ways to play the game. The pigs are just a group of friends that get together on Tuesday night to enjoy the game and the friendship's that we have built over ten years. Whiners like you are ruining the game, NOT the people playing the game that are trying to have fun. if it's not fun for you find another game maybe you've been playing to long. This game is not junk it's the best game I have ever played that's why I have played 12 years. Maybe you should take up chess. :aok
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: VuduVee on December 01, 2015, 10:47:03 AM
none of what semp said, was my main point. what i said was, the same people who will run from a fair fight/1v1 instantly are the same ones who will gladly jump into a gangbang. i didnt run from a fair fight. i ran in a jet from a 6v1. 3 jets, a 51, a 38 and a tempy.
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: waystin2 on December 01, 2015, 10:48:33 AM
waystin, its well known that you fly around jumping into gang bangs and taking any shot possible in your little zero. and your IV taunt salutes make it so that i have no regrets in calling out players like you on 200 or PM.
I do not fly Zeros. Point stands. <S>
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: VuduVee on December 01, 2015, 10:59:16 AM
Sooo what... you get chased and killed boohoo :cry In your mind its wrong for someone to chase you down and kill you but it's ok for you to come over pick from the high heaven's and then run and cry on 200 about how someone else is ruining the game..... how bout STFU. :ahand This game is NOT a 1 on 1 duel arena game... so go to the dueling arena if you want that kind of fight. What ruins the game its trolls like you that want a high score and whine when someone kills them, I believe you need to take scoring out of the game so butt hurt pilot's stop complaining. We make a contest out of killing the most 262's its a blast, sorry you don't have fun in this game because AH is the best game ever. If your red your dead if you dropped bombs on our main land you will die. This is war all is fair. This is only a game, play it or don't play it, stop all the whining because that's what is truly ruins a game. As we are irritating to you so are the lone guys that wait in the heavens to pick off mission's they are irritating to Us. (that includes you)
You act as if running to the ack is a bad thing, but its a way to profile to see if their a good pilot or not, a good pilot will avoid the ack... a crappy pilot will run right through the ack .. there are many ways to play the game. The pigs are just a group of friends that get together on Tuesday night to enjoy the game and the friendship's that we have built over ten years. Whiners like you are ruining the game, NOT the people playing the game that are trying to have fun. if it's not fun for you find another game maybe you've been playing to long. This game is not junk it's the best game I have ever played that's why I have played 12 years. Maybe you should take up chess. :aok
lol wow, i wish you were joking. but, just like i said in my post, there will be many ardent defenders of the current hider/runner/ganger gameplay mentality. so be it. but when there are 30 total people playing, it wont be my fault.
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: VuduVee on December 01, 2015, 11:02:13 AM
yeah wantex flies the zero, i get you guys mixed up because of how similar your play is, in my opinion. the taunt salute is still alive and well from you though. you just did it again. lol
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: PJ_Godzilla on December 01, 2015, 11:18:41 AM
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: Scca on December 01, 2015, 11:58:45 AM
So, for the cost of two meals at Mcdonalds I can play for a month?
Sounds like a good deal for me... :neener:
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: Bellator on December 01, 2015, 12:33:30 PM
Ha! I'm still trying to figure out why the POW decided to re-rail the topic and make a personal vendetta on VuduVee. Or did you guys even bother to read what the topic was about. You guys aren't adding anything constructive to the conversation. You've simply started ganging VuduVee in here. So let me ask you this. What is the defining difference in a Horde and a Mission?
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: bustr on December 01, 2015, 12:48:03 PM
none of what semp said, was my main point. what i said was, the same people who will run from a fair fight/1v1 instantly are the same ones who will gladly jump into a gangbang. i didnt run from a fair fight. i ran in a jet from a 6v1. 3 jets, a 51, a 38 and a tempy.
You got caught in knight land thinking you were impervious due to the virtues inherit in your ride. That is generally why lone players range out across the enemies back field in a 262. The can't touch this aspects of 262s. So you got touched in a massive way to let you know you could be touched. We flew our 262s into your ack to do it. The rest of the Pigs who showed up were supporting Waystin because he is Waystin. Tuesday nights are POTW squad night and knight land becomes Pigland. You chose the wrong night to get frisky with a 262 in Pigland.
The funniest thing about that night, we really had no clue who was flying your 262. Wasytin called a scramble and we killed an enemy 262 that violated Pigland airspace. My you have taken this to a new level of looky at me in the AH forums.
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: Tumor on December 01, 2015, 12:58:51 PM
when i see my teammates dogging 1 red, lets say 5 on 1,...
Conga lines provide some of ~the~ most opportune targets. In you're complaint (if you're really gonna take it that far), you left out "Target Fixation" (TF). TFers are lame beyond measure. Barely a step above Suicide tards. Anyway, personal choice is what you're dealing with, tactics be damned. These guys are why the RL "Military" has command structure, rules, and consequences. It's also why the Military has to "lure" a LOT of its population in, and why "tired of putting up with B.S." is one of the most widely used phrases heard in every branch of the military.
bomb and bailers, to me, they are gaming the game.
Good observation. Honestly, I can't BELIEVE we haven't heard inevitable "I pay to play MY way" whine in response to your complaints. However, on Bomb-and-Bailers, you are spot on. This IS a war game, right? Unfortunately, some people simply can't survive without relying on "the path of least resistance"... not in a game, and probably not in real life. You, me, or Jesus will NEVER change them. Only HiTech. Good luck.
This doesn't qualify as a "tactical" thing you find wrong with AH. You don't like it, good enough. I would offer you the choice of not chasing.
What about the "Shoot ME'er"... you know, the ever more popular tactic of getting someone on your 6, so you can pull wildly unrealistic maneuvers. Fix? SOMEWHAT REALISTIC VIEWS! FWIW, some pile-its actually do maneuvers that are clearly valid. However, this is one where Lag-Bandits reign supreme. Game-the-Game fits.
What about Stick Stirring? Ok, as bad as this one is... I don't think allot of people realize what they're doing. Watch a film or two from the cockpit of a bad guy chasing you while you're doing evasives... you're likely to see yourself doing it, although you thought you were not. I WILL say, I think far to much stirring is allowed, and there IS and obvious, in place, waiting to be used, fix. Fixing it would however, nerf some of the "greatest" hero's of this game entirely. So, again.. Good luck. Just sayin.
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: VuduVee on December 01, 2015, 01:33:58 PM
You got caught in knight land thinking you were impervious due to the virtues inherit in your ride. That is generally why lone players range out across the enemies back field in a 262. The can't touch this aspects of 262s. So you got touched in a massive way to let you know you could be touched. We flew our 262s into your ack to do it. The rest of the Pigs who showed up were supporting Waystin because he is Waystin. Tuesday nights are POTW squad night and knight land becomes Pigland. You chose the wrong night to get frisky with a 262 in Pigland.
The funniest thing about that night, we really had no clue who was flying your 262. Wasytin called a scramble and we killed an enemy 262 that violated Pigland airspace. My you have taken this to a new level of looky at me in the AH forums.
first, i was not in your back field. it was at v64, a frontline base. second, semp is the person who turned this into a "looky at me" with his insults telling me how easy i am to kill. so go talk to him about it, not me. he didnt have to say anything to me did he? third, you just again admitted that you kill jets out of pure spite. harrass/spite playing.
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: VuduVee on December 01, 2015, 01:42:10 PM
3 Countries fighting each other, no limits on population (any more at least). Good luck changing this one
Conga lines provide some of ~the~ most opportune targets. In you're complaint (if you're really gonna take it that far), you left out "Target Fixation" (TF). TFers are lame beyond measure. Barely a step above Suicide tards. Anyway, personal choice is what you're dealing with, tactics be damned. These guys are why the RL "Military" has command structure, rules, and consequences. It's also why the Military has to "lure" a LOT of its population in, and why "tired of putting up with B.S." is one of the most widely used phrases heard in every branch of the military.
This one makes a whole lot of sense
Good observation. Honestly, I can't BELIEVE we haven't heard inevitable "I pay to play MY way" whine in response to your complaints. However, on Bomb-and-Bailers, you are spot on. This IS a war game, right? Unfortunately, some people simply can't survive without relying on "the path of least resistance"... not in a game, and probably not in real life. You, me, or Jesus will NEVER change them. Only HiTech. Good luck. Ya? What are you gonna do? This doesn't qualify as a "tactical" thing you find wrong with AH. You don't like it, good enough. I would offer you the choice of not chasing.
What about the "Shoot ME'er"... you know, the ever more popular tactic of getting someone on your 6, so you can pull wildly unrealistic maneuvers. Fix? SOMEWHAT REALISTIC VIEWS! FWIW, some pile-its actually do maneuvers that are clearly valid. However, this is one where Lag-Bandits reign supreme. Game-the-Game fits.
What about Stick Stirring? Ok, as bad as this one is... I don't think allot of people realize what they're doing. Watch a film or two from the cockpit of a bad guy chasing you while you're doing evasives... you're likely to see yourself doing it, although you thought you were not. I WILL say, I think far to much stirring is allowed, and there IS and obvious, in place, waiting to be used, fix. Fixing it would however, nerf some of the "greatest" hero's of this game entirely. So, again.. Good luck. Just sayin.
i rarely chase for more than about 30 seconds. if they dont want to fight in a fighting game, i turn away and drag em and trap em. then i chalk it up as another reason to stop playing.
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: Max on December 01, 2015, 01:47:18 PM
Good grief, enough horse beating already. If the game and players are that disgusting to you, move on to something more palatable.
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: Nathan60 on December 01, 2015, 01:56:00 PM
Vudu, I avoid 200 a lot precisely because of people like you. You taunt and whine ad infinitum. If enemy players found out you were in a perk plane and decided to up en masse to get you, you probably invited it because of your conduct. Don't expect strategic behavior on the part of your adversaries when your conduct invites the opposite.
:aok
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: VuduVee on December 01, 2015, 02:37:42 PM
Good grief, enough horse beating already. If the game and players are that disgusting to you, move on to something more palatable.
max, thats the plan for me. like i said, i knew there would be ardent defenders of the gameplay i listed. its sad that people are told to move on, all because they want the game to live and others are hell bent on killing it. when there is practically no one on in primetime, dont blame me, i tried.
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: Scca on December 01, 2015, 03:00:39 PM
max, thats the plan for me. like i said, i knew there would be ardent defenders of the gameplay i listed. its sad that people are told to move on, all because they want the game to live and others are hell bent on killing it. when there is practically no one on in primetime, dont blame me, i tried.
I won't...
:bolt:
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: DmonSlyr on December 01, 2015, 03:58:57 PM
Its all about the plane you fly, the situation in which you fly that plane, and your goal when flying that plane.
I realize that gangs happen. I realize that sometimes hoards happen. It's all a part of war in these types of games. Especially war that is unorganized from all 3 sides.
Patience plays a big roll in this game.
Skill plays a big roll in this game.
Time (experience) plays a big roll in this game.
If you are getting ganged or horded every fight, you are either doing something wrong and/or you are flying the wrong plane for the situation. I'm not saying you have to fly easy mode planes to get kills but you should at least be aware that flying really slow planes (like the N1k2) are the biggest target for gangers. I think it makes the game very challenging and thats why I am still here playing it today.
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: The Fugitive on December 01, 2015, 04:10:45 PM
I love how half the squad shows up to defend the others here on the board. They are starting to sound/look like 49ers :devil
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: NatCigg on December 01, 2015, 05:50:55 PM
and this is why 2 arenas is a good idea. it lets the mindless social conglomerates flock to the largest numbers and lets the rest of us play in another. some loved titanic tuesday others hated it. they put us in one sand box and half left. hmm. :headscratch:
edit: and looking back this was one of ht's first great blunders/over reactions. the problem was people did not like getting locked out at noon eastern/europe prime time. he could have unlocked the two arenas and let them be but that was never tried. ultimately the second arena was dropped all together and players have precipitated ever since.
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: The Fugitive on December 01, 2015, 06:03:42 PM
and this is why 2 arenas is a good idea. it lets the mindless social conglomerates flock to the largest numbers and lets the rest of us play in another. some loved titanic tuesday others hated it. they put us in one sand box and half left. hmm. :headscratch:
No, they put us in one sandbox BECAUSE half the players left. There just wasn't enough players to support two arenas. Now it is getting to the point were there isn't enough to support a single arena. I really feel for our brothers across the sea. :(
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: bustr on December 01, 2015, 06:15:38 PM
We got put back in one arena when the numbers dropped due to the economic down turn in 2007-8. We got two arenas before that when the community at 500-700 players a night turned into a vile cesspool.
I guess Hitech simply lied to us to cover up experimenting with two arenas for awhile. Then everyone got mad at Hitech and left while the economy has always been at 6% unemployment since 2009. I guess 94 million Americans decided to leap into the ocean and remove themselves from the face of the earth in 2009 when many families in America had to tighten their belts and cut back on discretionary spending. Wonder how many of that 94 million played our game in 2006?
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: JunkyII on December 01, 2015, 06:17:37 PM
I love how half the squad shows up to defend the others here on the board. They are starting to sound/look like 49ers :devil
I like how you talk this big ole high and mighty crap then try to call out arguably the largest squad left in the game like it's going to help the community...
Take your C list talent else where guy.
To address Voodu, you could not be more wrong about POTW...yes we are a large group. We, understanding that the player base is less these days, call on 200 when we up in mass at a field....begging for a fight. Do members of POTW HO, Gang, Vulch, ect ect? Absolutely because it happens right back to us just as much as we lay it out...it is inevitable in the way the game is set up that it will happen...been here almost 10 years...been the same stuff.
After the holidays I'm going to become a Marshall of Aces High...I'm hunting Fugitive :aok
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: guncrasher on December 01, 2015, 06:28:10 PM
i rarely chase for more than about 30 seconds. if they dont want to fight in a fighting game, i turn away and drag em and trap em. then i chalk it up as another reason to stop playing.
so they chased you for 20 or 30 minutes because you didnt want to fight in a fighting game. wasnt that you rant?
seriously dude. we dont target you because honestly you arent that important. and even if we were to target you we wouldnt know where you are to begin with unless you happen to kill one of us or we happen to kill you.
but we arent gonna go out of our way just to make you feel miserable. that would give you too much power. if you want to feel miserable then do it on your own.
what is funny about people who quit that game is that they always seem to blame everybody else. they never see their own shortcomings. and they always seem to come here to the bb to justify to themselves the reasons they quit.
and most break our hearts as they always tried to make the game better but they failed because we didnt help them, so they must go. been hearing this same excuse since I joined 8 or 9 years ago.
semp
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: NatCigg on December 01, 2015, 06:35:37 PM
We got put back in one arena when the numbers dropped due to the economic down turn in 2007-8. We got two arenas before that when the community at 500-700 players a night turned into a vile cesspool.
I guess Hitech simply lied to us to cover up experimenting with two arenas for awhile. Then everyone got mad at Hitech and left while the economy has always been at 6% unemployment since 2009. I guess 94 million Americans decided to leap into the ocean and remove themselves from the face of the earth in 2009 when many families in America had to tighten their belts and cut back on discretionary spending. Wonder how many of that 94 million played our game in 2006?
07-08 was when i and many others got here. the first fuss was people being locked from joining their squads, (waiting for blue to populate 'wink,wink'.) i never once saw a complaint about to few people being in a arena. when we were put in one box with 500 the tired of this silly gangbang / the point of this thread / the complaint of fighter jock pick squads / was the norm. I know, i was a blue arena player / ive been here since april 07. i saw the radar fiasco, i saw the white flag rebellion, i flew at noon every weekday and lived the complaints.
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: The Fugitive on December 01, 2015, 06:40:06 PM
I like how you talk this big ole high and mighty crap then try to call out arguably the largest squad left in the game like it's going to help the community...
Take your C list talent else where guy.
To address Voodu, you could not be more wrong about POTW...yes we are a large group. We, understanding that the player base is less these days, call on 200 when we up in mass at a field....begging for a fight. Do members of POTW HO, Gang, Vulch, ect ect? Absolutely because it happens right back to us just as much as we lay it out...it is inevitable in the way the game is set up that it will happen...been here almost 10 years...been the same stuff.
After the holidays I'm going to become a Marshall of Aces High...I'm hunting Fugitive :aok
LOL!!! and another squadmate jumps in! and joins the general harassment of other players ex. "I'm hunting Fugitive"
Lets see, the Bops had one of the biggest squads, the V guys did too, then it was the 49ers. Do you guys feel the need to slip into the vacuum all these others squads have left when they disappeared?
Seems to me if your squad is so big it could have an influence on game play as well as general player attitudes. Are you guys going to be good for the game or not? Just asking.
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: Nathan60 on December 01, 2015, 07:11:15 PM
LOL!!! and another squadmate jumps in! and joins the general harassment of other players ex. "I'm hunting Fugitive"
Lets see, the Bops had one of the biggest squads, the V guys did too, then it was the 49ers. Do you guys feel the need to slip into the vacuum all these others squads have left when they disappeared?
Seems to me if your squad is so big it could have an influence on game play as well as general player attitudes. Are you guys going to be good for the game or not? Just asking.
Nope we have been here the whole time, wrecking those guys and having fun. Seems some people are jealous of our size.. :uhoh our playstyle hasnt changed in years, now people are just looking for reasons to complain. Complaining has become the defacto culture around here if us Pigs focus one guy then just think about all the other people that can go and hide in the ack unmolested
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: guncrasher on December 01, 2015, 07:12:34 PM
LOL!!! and another squadmate jumps in! and joins the general harassment of other players ex. "I'm hunting Fugitive"
Lets see, the Bops had one of the biggest squads, the V guys did too, then it was the 49ers. Do you guys feel the need to slip into the vacuum all these others squads have left when they disappeared?
Seems to me if your squad is so big it could have an influence on game play as well as general player attitudes. Are you guys going to be good for the game or not? Just asking.
didnt you used to belong to one of the biggest squads at one time? what happened?
semp
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: Changeup on December 01, 2015, 07:13:36 PM
LOL!!! and another squadmate jumps in! and joins the general harassment of other players ex. "I'm hunting Fugitive"
Lets see, the Bops had one of the biggest squads, the V guys did too, then it was the 49ers. Do you guys feel the need to slip into the vacuum all these others squads have left when they disappeared?
Seems to me if your squad is so big it could have an influence on game play as well as general player attitudes. Are you guys going to be good for the game or not? Just asking.
Harrasment??? Are you serious. the POTW have always been good for gameplay even before I joined this squad I've always been a lot of fun. And what we do as a squad is really none of your business in the first place now is it. Vuduvee is just butthurt because he lost a 262 plain and simple who freaking cares I've lost quite a few of them just kill shoot myself on the runway lol.
Fugitive as far as you're concerned you're just here to stir the pot while sitting on your high horse.
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: 68ZooM on December 01, 2015, 07:18:50 PM
They sound and look like friends to me. That's what friends do...and that squad is pretty damn tight.
Just like the Muppets are real tight when you fly with people for years and you know them personally and help them through personal tragedies you become a tight knit group.... Hey we join squads and become Muppets with pigs wings lol
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: Oldman731 on December 01, 2015, 07:48:31 PM
I agree with this. Waystin is one of AH's best people. Bustr needs his meds regularly, but he's a fair opponent. This is the wrong squad to try to trash.
- oldman
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: PJ_Godzilla on December 01, 2015, 09:12:23 PM
so they chased you for 20 or 30 minutes because you didnt want to fight in a fighting game. wasnt that you rant?
seriously dude. we dont target you because honestly you arent that important. and even if we were to target you we wouldnt know where you are to begin with unless you happen to kill one of us or we happen to kill you.
but we arent gonna go out of our way just to make you feel miserable. that would give you too much power. if you want to feel miserable then do it on your own.
what is funny about people who quit that game is that they always seem to blame everybody else. they never see their own shortcomings. and they always seem to come here to the bb to justify to themselves the reasons they quit.
and most break our hearts as they always tried to make the game better but they failed because we didnt help them, so they must go. been hearing this same excuse since I joined 8 or 9 years ago.
semp
I think you're mostly right here, semp, but I'd add one thing I noticed myself. I have a tendency to take every death, especially if it's from the same handle more than once, like some kind of vendetta. And I saw it that way until the first time I did the same thing to someone else. Then I realized, hey, it just ain't that personal.
Otherwise, yes, a little maturity would help with this problem as would, my point, an ability to see it from the other side.
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: Bellator on December 01, 2015, 09:43:33 PM
What really burns my butt, I've been paying and playing for the last 15 yrs. It's a good game but it's some the players that make it such a miserable experience. Some of the Pigs have become nothing more than a bunch of arrogant, snot nosed three year old bullies. What do you do when your not in the game? Steal wheelchairs from handicap people and brag how tough you are. Or do you give each other points for it? Nobody really cares how big and bad you think you are in this game. Nobody can even have a discussion in the forum without one of the Pigs bulling his way to highjack it and thump his little chest. If you couldn't join the conversation, you should have at least been man enough to have the maturity to keep your mouth shut. This thread had nothing to do with who shot who.
Its one thing to get mad and be a sore loser. But it's worse when you become a sorry winner.
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: VuduVee on December 01, 2015, 09:46:38 PM
i just came from the MA after a good talk with waystin. hes such a nice person. and has simple words that hold water in a big way.
i go full on, all the way, everytime, in everything i do. i get too emotionally involved and take it personal. i somehow went braindead and brought that to the game. so, later when i do half make sense, i have already burned my bridges with some and they let me have it whether im right or wrong. thats how this thread has went off the rails a bit. semp doesnt like me because ive given him a hard time and ive given waystin a hard time. im sorry for that.
it doesnt help the game for me to rip people. when i first started i got PM'd by 3 people bc i hoed them. i had been playing 3 days and was ready to quit. i didnt know the difference between a ho and an oh. luckily though, Zensen seen that i was having a hard time and he picked me up because he wanted me to have fun. ive been Duxford ever since. we need more people like Zensen and Waystin, and less like me. im sorry to AH. im sorry to the Pigs On The Wings for this thread.
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: 68ZooM on December 01, 2015, 09:56:38 PM
i just came from the MA after a good talk with waystin. hes such a nice person. and has simple words that hold water in a big way.
i go full on, all the way, everytime, in everything i do. i get too emotionally involved and take it personal. i somehow went braindead and brought that to the game. so, later when i do half make sense, i have already burned my bridges with some and they let me have it whether im right or wrong. thats how this thread has went off the rails a bit. semp doesnt like me because ive given him a hard time and ive given waystin a hard time. im sorry for that.
it doesnt help the game for me to rip people. when i first started i got PM'd by 3 people bc i hoed them. i had been playing 3 days and was ready to quit. i didnt know the difference between a ho and an oh. luckily though, Zensen seen that i was having a hard time and he picked me up because he wanted me to have fun. ive been Duxford ever since. we need more people like Zensen and Waystin, and less like me. im sorry to AH. im sorry to the Pigs On The Wings for this thread.
Most of us can relate to sometimes letting our emotions get the better of us sometimes you just have to sit back and analyze it, then just realize this is all a game and we're all trying to have fun. There's no hard feelings from any of us Pigs, feel free to fly with us sometime :cheers:
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: Volron on December 01, 2015, 10:07:41 PM
What really burns my butt, I've been paying and playing for the last 15 yrs. It's a good game but it's some the players that make it such a miserable experience. Some of the Pigs have become nothing more than a bunch of arrogant, snot nosed three year old bullies. What do you do when your not in the game? Steal wheelchairs from handicap people and brag how tough you are. Or do you give each other points for it? Nobody really cares how big and bad you think you are in this game. Nobody can even have a discussion in the forum without one of the Pigs bulling his way to highjack it and thump his little chest. If you couldn't join the conversation, you should have at least been man enough to have the maturity to keep your mouth shut. This thread had nothing to do with who shot who.
Its one thing to get mad and be a sore loser. But it's worse when you become a sorry winner.
We usually kick the person we steal the wheelchairs form aswell since that adds points to our Macho tally.
EDIT atleast we be tough in real life not just on forums sitting behind a computer name calling.
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: The Fugitive on December 01, 2015, 10:25:42 PM
They sound and look like friends to me. That's what friends do...and that squad is pretty damn tight.
Don't know about where you come from, but if your "friends" are acting like @zzes we certainly don't back them up. It's not the kind of friends I want to hang out with.
i just came from the MA after a good talk with waystin. hes such a nice person. and has simple words that hold water in a big way.
i go full on, all the way, everytime, in everything i do. i get too emotionally involved and take it personal. i somehow went braindead and brought that to the game. so, later when i do half make sense, i have already burned my bridges with some and they let me have it whether im right or wrong. thats how this thread has went off the rails a bit. semp doesnt like me because ive given him a hard time and ive given waystin a hard time. im sorry for that.
it doesnt help the game for me to rip people. when i first started i got PM'd by 3 people bc i hoed them. i had been playing 3 days and was ready to quit. i didnt know the difference between a ho and an oh. luckily though, Zensen seen that i was having a hard time and he picked me up because he wanted me to have fun. ive been Duxford ever since. we need more people like Zensen and Waystin, and less like me. im sorry to AH. im sorry to the Pigs On The Wings for this thread.
Takes a big man to step up and apologize, tho if you have anything to apologize for is maybe going over board, but the point still stands.
Skyrr and his ilk "hunted" other players down and most thought that was bad for the game. Calling in a bunch of squadies to chase down a lone 262 just to aggravate the player sounds a lot like "hunting" someone down. What make their game play acceptable and Skyrr's wasn't?
If "people are complaining" could it be there is a reason for it? Maybe some of your squad has gone over to the other side and "do on to others as they have done to you". With as big and old a squad as you guys have you should be leading the way to good play. If you were, there wouldn't be so many complaints voiced. Just saying.
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: Nathan60 on December 01, 2015, 10:41:03 PM
Don't know about where you come from, but if your "friends" are acting like @zzes we certainly don't back them up. It's not the kind of friends I want to hang out with.
Takes a big man to step up and apologize, tho if you have anything to apologize for is maybe going over board, but the point still stands.
Skyrr and his ilk "hunted" other players down and most thought that was bad for the game. Calling in a bunch of squadies to chase down a lone 262 just to aggravate the player sounds a lot like "hunting" someone down. What make their game play acceptable and Skyrr's wasn't?
If "people are complaining" could it be there is a reason for it? Maybe some of your squad has gone over to the other side and "do on to others as they have done to you". With as big and old a squad as you guys have you should be leading the way to good play. If you were, there wouldn't be so many complaints voiced. Just saying.
because we make a bigger target to throw baseless complaints at, but I think you already figured that out. :aok
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: ebfd11 on December 01, 2015, 10:46:09 PM
Ok Fugi... Let me show you the difference between skytard and us POTW brethern....
1 skyyr and his band of merry men used second accounts to activly hunt and kill players no matter what side the other player was on.. The pigs dont.. We have been knights all along and we will not switch sides.
2. We are a squad of friends... Heck i cooked dinner for Waystin.. Bugs and HamHawk... I have eaten and stayed at Mights place also.. So if a pig calls out i need help at v24 or a13 your dammed right the pigs will drop what they are doing to help a fellow swine..
I can and always will roll in the mud with my fellow POTW members and i will always play when i can.
LawnDart
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: Nathan60 on December 01, 2015, 10:50:07 PM
Ok Fugi... Let me show you the difference between skytard and us POTW brethern....
1 skyyr and his band of merry men used second accounts to activly hunt and kill players no matter what side the other player was on.. The pigs dont.. We have been knights all along and we will not switch sides.
2. We are a squad of friends... Heck i cooked dinner for Waystin.. Bugs and HamHawk... I have eaten and stayed at Mights place also.. So if a pig calls out i need help at v24 or a13 your dammed right the pigs will drop what they are doing to help a fellow swine..
I can and always will roll in the mud with my fellow POTW members and i will always play when i can.
LawnDart
Yeah and I backed up Bugs when he peer pressured Lawndart into drinking a friggin gallon of long islands in a single go..
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: guncrasher on December 01, 2015, 11:16:18 PM
i just came from the MA after a good talk with waystin. hes such a nice person. and has simple words that hold water in a big way.
i go full on, all the way, everytime, in everything i do. i get too emotionally involved and take it personal. i somehow went braindead and brought that to the game. so, later when i do half make sense, i have already burned my bridges with some and they let me have it whether im right or wrong. thats how this thread has went off the rails a bit. semp doesnt like me because ive given him a hard time and ive given waystin a hard time. im sorry for that.
it doesnt help the game for me to rip people. when i first started i got PM'd by 3 people bc i hoed them. i had been playing 3 days and was ready to quit. i didnt know the difference between a ho and an oh. luckily though, Zensen seen that i was having a hard time and he picked me up because he wanted me to have fun. ive been Duxford ever since. we need more people like Zensen and Waystin, and less like me. im sorry to AH. im sorry to the Pigs On The Wings for this thread.
what makes you think I dont like you? I dont know you nor do I remember if we have ever fought in the game at all. I dont take things in this game personal. as I dont come here for anything other than to have fun.
if you want to know the pigs then come over I am pretty sure nobody would complain if you are on. for example today the funniest thing that happened was when due to a bug a squadie shot another one down. that was the highlight of the evening for me. I logged off about 15 minutes after that as nothing would top it.
semp
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: NatCigg on December 01, 2015, 11:21:59 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLBtckWqbNE
a song about pigs. Three different ones.
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: mikev on December 01, 2015, 11:52:42 PM
what makes you think I dont like you? I dont know you nor do I remember if we have ever fought in the game at all. I dont take things in this game personal. as I dont come here for anything other than to have fun.
if you want to know the pigs then come over I am pretty sure nobody would complain if you are on. for example today the funniest thing that happened was when due to a bug a squadie shot another one down. that was the highlight of the evening for me. I logged off about 15 minutes after that as nothing would top it.
semp
as I noted on Vox..when someone discos and turns green then they are no longer part of the squad as the plane is being flown by ai..so I did not infact shootdown another squaddie no pigicide.. :bolt:
you also missed bustrs stating that he wants to make a Belgium ale outta a fat woman's panties...something about a lot of flavors :(
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: JunkyII on December 02, 2015, 05:03:12 AM
LOL!!! and another squadmate jumps in! and joins the general harassment of other players ex. "I'm hunting Fugitive"
Lets see, the Bops had one of the biggest squads, the V guys did too, then it was the 49ers. Do you guys feel the need to slip into the vacuum all these others squads have left when they disappeared?
Seems to me if your squad is so big it could have an influence on game play as well as general player attitudes. Are you guys going to be good for the game or not? Just asking.
Your damn right I'm going to call your hypocritical bellybutton out....you just don't like us, Voodu was just upset with an interaction with us...you really have no reason to...because your ignorant to what POTW really is.
Hell look around the game...you will see a lot of POTW in other squads (actually the Vtards are a branch off, we would go with their full disciplined base take mentality), 49ers, AoM, hell Dodger (one of the most respected fighter jocks in the game was under POTW colors for a bit....you really have no ground trying to call us out...which you did, this is a Fugitive starting crap post, not a POTW harassing players one.
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: PJ_Godzilla on December 02, 2015, 05:55:07 AM
Kudos to Vudu. A sign of intelligence is an ability to assimilate new information. A sign of maturity is the ability to act on that information, even if it runs counter to a previously harbored belief.
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: Max on December 02, 2015, 08:42:42 AM
Kudos to Vudu. A sign of intelligence is an ability to assimilate new information. A sign of maturity is the ability to act on that information, even if it runs counter to a previously harbored belief.
QFT :rock
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: waystin2 on December 02, 2015, 09:19:55 AM
i just came from the MA after a good talk with waystin. hes such a nice person. and has simple words that hold water in a big way.
i go full on, all the way, everytime, in everything i do. i get too emotionally involved and take it personal. i somehow went braindead and brought that to the game. so, later when i do half make sense, i have already burned my bridges with some and they let me have it whether im right or wrong. thats how this thread has went off the rails a bit. semp doesnt like me because ive given him a hard time and ive given waystin a hard time. im sorry for that.
it doesnt help the game for me to rip people. when i first started i got PM'd by 3 people bc i hoed them. i had been playing 3 days and was ready to quit. i didnt know the difference between a ho and an oh. luckily though, Zensen seen that i was having a hard time and he picked me up because he wanted me to have fun. ive been Duxford ever since. we need more people like Zensen and Waystin, and less like me. im sorry to AH. im sorry to the Pigs On The Wings for this thread.
As I said water under the bridge.
:salute
Way
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: Oyabun on December 02, 2015, 09:29:09 AM
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: DmonSlyr on December 02, 2015, 09:41:58 AM
This one time at band camp. There was a pig in our camp, and I went over and got my rifle, and I shot it and killed it and it died! :D
In all seriousness... The pigs are both one of the most fun squads to fly with and agaisnt in the game. It is squads like them that keep our game unique. I've had many battles with and agaisnt them and its been fun all the time. We've had a big rivalry and a few squad scrimmages here and there and it always brings excitement and competition.
I think we all get aggravated with AH at times. For the amount of time it takes to get to a base and find a bad guy to shoot, only to get killed instantly by some puff ack or a higher picker, just really grinds people's gears. I've pissed off many people at times with my obscurities while the competition gives me a challenge and that's why Im still around. I love participating in KoTH and it really helps me to be a better sport after getting shot down knowing I'm flying against other great sticks. I run a very highly level of competition and even in tennis I get pissed the F off when I don't play well. It's a game and I love the challenge, there are always ways to get better and learn to play better so you don't lose as much, and if you keep working at it, you will find more fun and less to complain about.
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: Someguy63 on December 02, 2015, 09:48:37 AM
Don't know about where you come from, but if your "friends" are acting like @zzes we certainly don't back them up. It's not the kind of friends I want to hang out with.
You abandon friends for acting assish periodically? Wow. Short list of friends you must have.
However, POTW don't act like that as a matter of gameplay. Waystin and Syko wouldn't allow it. I know...they booted the only guy that ever acted like that.
Me.
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: PJ_Godzilla on December 02, 2015, 10:41:24 AM
You abandon friends for acting assish periodically? Wow. Short list of friends you must have.
I was going to say...
Worse, all of my friends would've abandoned me.
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: ebfd11 on December 02, 2015, 12:22:55 PM
Ask waystin how he is playing the game today... I built him a rig out of spare parts when he needed one and sent it to him.. I would also say ask Bentnail where he got his new flight stick from... But. Alas we cant.... I needed a new soundcard and Semp sent me one free of charge.... Mello had a video card fry on him and i sent him two in lieu of a joystick he didnt like...
There are more things we have done for each other AND others on the game... But of course you wouldnt know that as you havent ever flown with us.... Just so you know we do not hold personal grudges or dislike anyone on a personal level but attack one of us and you will see the swarm of swine like you have never seen before.
BBtw why dont ya come over to knights and fly one night with us to see what we do.. You might be suprised to see how disorganized we really are.
End of rant
LawnDart
Lawn
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: Ack-Ack on December 02, 2015, 12:23:05 PM
Seems to me if your squad is so big it could have an influence on game play as well as general player attitudes. Are you guys going to be good for the game or not? Just asking.
I've seen various members of PoW post on the forums and in game challenging other squadrons and players to oppose them by posting what they are going to attack to drum up a fight.
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: Ack-Ack on December 02, 2015, 12:29:27 PM
Skyrr and his ilk "hunted" other players down and most thought that was bad for the game. Calling in a bunch of squadies to chase down a lone 262 just to aggravate the player sounds a lot like "hunting" someone down. What make their game play acceptable and Skyrr's wasn't?
There is a very big difference...Skyyr went above and beyond and broke TOS in order to hunt another player that he was upset at and tried to grief the other player out of AH.
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: M1A1 on December 02, 2015, 12:33:21 PM
I agree that some squads "play" different. Things that we see now because of the lower numbers maybe were not as apparent when we had larger numbers. That being said I never have really had any problems with players from any squad in the game and I have been here pretty much since 09. There are folks I would love to see lose there typing abilities sometimes but then again I am one to joust a bit on 200 myself but really no squads that I see are any worse than any other. Duxford has been here since before i started and we play very different than other squads but that does not make us any better or worse than any other squad. The fact that we even sit here and slam each other or point fingers about how we play is about as useful as a fart in a tornado if you ask me. We are all guilty at one time or another of being dickish whether we will admit to it or not so I think we should all step back take a breath and relax. Everyone has an opinion and we always will so I think we should just play the game, do what we like and accept that it is a mirror of real life in the sense that not everyone will do what we like......
:salute Gentlemen!
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: waystin2 on December 02, 2015, 01:50:50 PM
There is a very big difference...Skyyr went above and beyond and broke TOS in order to hunt another player that he was upset at and tried to grief the other player out of AH.
Thank you ACK I was trying to figure out how to respond to this troll.
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: bustr on December 02, 2015, 02:39:23 PM
When the pigs are together, greifing some specific player is more work than any one of us is willing to expend. If he is operating in our area sure, he gets shot down a lot because there are a lot of us. Otherwise we are having the equivalent of a VOX party in Animal House. Most of us don't care about score, dying or how many red guys are in front of us. And Waystin is usually in red guy ADHD Piggy mode dragging us to our doom. Or we are having really weird conversations.
Lets see Waystin talks about the Lil Debbies he just snuck from the kitchen or the cookies he's eating or the pie his wife just made for him or his bulldog is snoring and farting.
SYKO is talking about the bands he plays in or some gig or old music or helping us be weird about women, sex, booze acting like pigs etc.
Last night I came up with the idea that my next lager wart I wondered if throwing panties into it would improve the flavor. Or at least getting a dozen beautiful women to swish their hand in the vat for a moment. Hey the best part we don't have a name for that batch yet. Then there are my home made Kimchee adventures and Shelbywu and I love to talk cooking in the middle of a furball. Cinnamon salt on turkey skin or steak.
Everyone else is talking about sex, booze, rock-n-roll or making really bad X-rated jokes. You really have to be careful about how your entendres come out over VOX. Our squad VOX would make Belushi smile.
Like we really target anything but the most fun 12-20 of us can have for one evening in the MA each week...... :headscratch:
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: guncrasher on December 02, 2015, 03:32:17 PM
and for those who missed it. yesterday i annouced during squad night that I am having a new bedroom set, king size. so all are welcome to come over for a sleeping party as it is being delivered right now. byob.
semp
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: The Fugitive on December 02, 2015, 04:58:09 PM
You abandon friends for acting assish periodically? Wow. Short list of friends you must have.
However, POTW don't act like that as a matter of gameplay. Waystin and Syko wouldn't allow it. I know...they booted the only guy that ever acted like that.
Me.
It may be a short list, but they are all true friends.
Ask waystin how he is playing the game today... I built him a rig out of spare parts when he needed one and sent it to him.. I would also say ask Bentnail where he got his new flight stick from... But. Alas we cant.... I needed a new soundcard and Semp sent me one free of charge.... Mello had a video card fry on him and i sent him two in lieu of a joystick he didnt like...
There are more things we have done for each other AND others on the game... But of course you wouldnt know that as you havent ever flown with us.... Just so you know we do not hold personal grudges or dislike anyone on a personal level but attack one of us and you will see the swarm of swine like you have never seen before.
BBtw why dont ya come over to knights and fly one night with us to see what we do.. You might be suprised to see how disorganized we really are.
End of rant
LawnDart
Lawn
I've done the same myself, and not all of them were squadmates. We even had a "benefactor" who was VERY well off and use to use info I supplied him to upgrade all kinds of rigs.
I've seen various members of PoW post on the forums and in game challenging other squadrons and players to oppose them by posting what they are going to attack to drum up a fight.
Yes and we use to do the same when flying with the 80th. More often than not people would avoid us. Again with the "avoiding combat in a combat game"
There is a very big difference...Skyyr went above and beyond and broke TOS in order to hunt another player that he was upset at and tried to grief the other player out of AH.
Agreed, but where do you draw the line? Here we are talking about a player who feels put on and he said he was going to end his subscription at the end of the month. Did the 4-6 guys chasing him break any rules? No, did he have reason to feel put upon? Sure! I can understand someone crying for help running home, and I can understand a bunch of squadies upping to help him get home, but chasing the guy for 4 sectors after the runner is "safe"?
I know, "Man up!", "Grow a set!", "get a tougher hide!", but is that the message you/we should be sending to new players? even old players? We cant afford to see more players leave.
It may not seem like much too those of us who have been here forever, but that kind of bullying isn't good for the game.
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: TheBug on December 02, 2015, 07:21:40 PM
POTW should find no reason to have to defend themselves. :salute :cheers:
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: Nathan60 on December 02, 2015, 09:43:56 PM
:D
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: Volron on December 02, 2015, 10:11:30 PM
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: M1A1 on December 03, 2015, 12:20:49 PM
I agree that noone should have to defend themselves but then again to quote a famous writer..."One Doth Protest a Bit To Much". If you guys feel you did nothing wrong fine let it die. There really is no point of anyone else trying to change your or anyone else's mind. If you want to go there Vuuduu had every right to voice his opinion as you do your's so let's just leave it at that and let the topic die . Play the game have fun and enjoy it....
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: Zoney on December 03, 2015, 12:50:56 PM
"The lady doth protest too much, methinks" is the correct quotation.
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: -ammo- on December 03, 2015, 03:06:48 PM
Honestly I'm sick and tired of participating in the constant gangbang that this game has become. Arena numbers are horrible and unless you want to abandon your squad and jump countries it's a nonstop thrashing. Tonight there wasn't a single fight between Rooks and Knights. The goal apparently was to take all the Bish bases and make gameplay horrible for them. The overnights are even worse. A few milkrunners taking strats down to nothing then deack bases one after the other. The ack stays down for hours. If you try to defend they jump you with numbers. If you try to resupply they just take bases unopposed. Night after night after night.
This stuff used to happen occasionally, now it's the norm. Seriously questioning why I continue to subscribe. The answer is hanging out with my squad because they are a great group, but they're tired of this crap, too. We're all questioning why we continue to feed HTC for junk gameplay. Why doesn't HTC just kill the Bish and make it Rooks v Knights? The way it is now just stinks.
I'm hoping the new version will change what's happening, but honestly, I'm not sure I'll hang around long enough to see it released. Been a subscriber since 2001 but not for much longer if something doesn't change.
You seem to be a petulant little feller - could be wrong but my instinct are rarely off the mark.
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: guncrasher on December 03, 2015, 06:30:54 PM
I agree that noone should have to defend themselves but then again to quote a famous writer..."One Doth Protest a Bit To Much". If you guys feel you did nothing wrong fine let it die. There really is no point of anyone else trying to change your or anyone else's mind. If you want to go there Vuuduu had every right to voice his opinion as you do your's so let's just leave it at that and let the topic die . Play the game have fun and enjoy it....
you may want to reread the full thread. we made peace with vudoo, he's cool, we cool. it's all water under the bridge now.
semp
Title: Re: My "This game has become junk" rant.
Post by: rpm on December 03, 2015, 08:51:49 PM