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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Shane on July 19, 2011, 04:06:45 PM
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Posted in the news forum... 12 hour waiting period for side-switching.
I would personally like to thank the dweebs who caused this to happen - it put a crimp on short-term ability to switch sides for balance.
I'm not in a skawd, I have no chess-piece loyalty. I do not care about "The War."
Meh.
/dislike
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You gotta be kidding me :(
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Great...
/sarcasm
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Seriously?
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Wow, they want me to take another break from the game. 12 hours, that is awful. I guess its time to attempt to enjoy doing milk runs and toolsheding. :(
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Seriously?
yes, it was posted on their facebook page..
HiTech Creations - Aces High
Late war country change time has been increased back to 12 hours. That is how long you will have to wait after changing countries before you can change again.
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Well lets see, last time I switched countries was umm....6 years ago. When's the next time I may want to switch? Don't see it happening in the near future. :D
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When the knights were close to winning the last map bish squads jumped aboard thinking they was going to get perkies i guess, complete BS on their part and shows how people value the ol mighty perks and play accordingly.
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When the knights were close to winning the last map bish squads jumped aboard thinking they was going to get perkies i guess, complete BS on their part and shows how people value the ol mighty perks and play accordingly.
IIRC you had to be on a side a certain amount of time to be eligible for win-the-war-perkies?
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I too want to thank all those whose actions have contributed to this. I know you won't be hurt by this limit in any way for you can still use all other ways to get your "valuable" information, but at least it puts an effective stop to those who changed countries to meet friends or to find a fight that doesn't consist only of a full green darbar. Well done!
:salute
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When the knights were close to winning the last map bish squads jumped aboard thinking they was going to get perkies i guess, complete BS on their part and shows how people value the ol mighty perks and play accordingly.
meh, let them have perkies, they'll mostly up 262s and loose them in their first or second sortie anyway. If they can't earn them, they won't be able to utilize them.
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IIRC you had to be on a side a certain amount of time to be eligible for win-the-war-perkies?
IIRC it's 4 hours of previous gameplay on the winning country.
This kinda has me :headscratch:...
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You basically only get to switch once a day now, doesn't seem like that big of a deal to me. Instead of being to be able to play for every single country in a given night now you can only play for two. Will there be guys who wanted to switch to country A but accidentally picked country B and are stuck with them till the next day? Sure, and it's a pain. I'd like to thank the combination of the mega-squads and the supposed white knights of the community that do everything the code will allow to thwart them.
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IIRC you had to be on a side a certain amount of time to be eligible for win-the-war-perkies?
That's the impression I'm under, evidently they were clueless to that fact. funny part was them saluting the knights as they switched while half of their squad stayed bish. :rolleyes:
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I too want to thank all those whose actions have contributed to this. I know you won't be hurt by this limit in any way for you can still use all other ways to get your "valuable" information, but at least it puts an effective stop to those who changed countries to meet friends or to find a fight that doesn't consist only of a full green darbar. Well done!
:salute
:rofl :rofl Genius, I love it, its so true... Just log on at 1am PST (gmt -8), and without the ability to switch sides, it's a snore fest.
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You basically only get to switch once a day now, doesn't seem like that big of a deal to me. Instead of being to be able to play for every single country in a given night now you can only play for two. Will there be guys who wanted to switch to country A but accidentally picked country B and are stuck with them till the next day? Sure, and it's a pain. I'd like to thank the combination of the mega-squads and the supposed white knights of the community that do everything the code will allow to thwart them.
Only true if you live in the East Coast of the USA and start playing a 3pm when you get back from school. For everyone else, who start later once their families are all settled in and they are back from work, or don't live on the east coast of the USA, there are hardly enough people playing to get a good fight as it is, and now this, there will be nothing to do when you log in.
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it puts an effective stop to those who changed countries to meet friends or to find a fight that doesn't consist only of a full green darbar.
They might as well get rid of ENY as well. Even if you're on the largest numbered side, you won't be able to do much about it as numbers can fluctuate pretty wildly over a twelve hour span.
Increasing it to 2 or even 4 hours would of been irritating but ok. Setting it at 12 hours is far too excessive, imho.
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Two thumbs down, just lousy :(
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I don't even change sides that often..but this is going to hurt.....
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garr argg ah rabble rabble squeak this is stupid.... :D
:cry
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Before jumping the gun, I'd like to know the reasoning behind this move. Seems like it came out of nowhere.
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about time, it gets old saving some guy's buttt so I can fight him a few minutes later when he switched.
semp
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When the knights were close to winning the last map bish squads jumped aboard thinking they was going to get perkies i guess, complete BS on their part and shows how people value the ol mighty perks and play accordingly.
OH, those bad Bishes.... I guess the Knights and Rooks Squads have never done that. Give those Bishes 20 lashes.
:banana: :bolt:
Fred
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Doesn't this make the game even more country oriented?
We are all part of the community what ever country we are on.
I would also like to see the reason behind the change.
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Only true if you live in the East Coast of the USA and start playing a 3pm when you get back from school. For everyone else, who start later once their families are all settled in and they are back from work, or don't live on the east coast of the USA, there are hardly enough people playing to get a good fight as it is, and now this, there will be nothing to do when you log in.
How does living in a timezone besides Eastern stop you from switching sides? Say you log in at 10pm, play for 30 minutes, and decide to switch sides. You switch sides at 10:30 and that's all you get for the night. You can switch again if you want tomorrow.
They might as well get rid of ENY as well. Even if you're on the largest numbered side, you won't be able to do much about it as numbers can fluctuate pretty wildly over a twelve hour span.
Increasing it to 2 or even 4 hours would of been irritating but ok. Setting it at 12 hours is far too excessive, imho.
I was thinking about that as well. 12 hours doesn't seem to take the ENY system into account. You can only switch twice a day but the ENY can change in the blink of an eye, after you use your nightly side-switch all you can do if ENY gets out of hand is leave.
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Before jumping the gun, I'd like to know the reasoning behind this move. Seems like it came out of nowhere.
Maybe Zoom has it right with this post here...
When the knights were close to winning the last map bish squads jumped aboard thinking they was going to get perkies i guess, complete BS on their part and shows how people value the ol mighty perks and play accordingly.
Personally I don't know how much it will matter. It will certainly cut down on country jumping to get perks (even tho that doesn't work) and it might cut back a bit on the "spying" tho I won't count on that either.
You still get to switch once a night/day. Your just going to need some good communication before you jump to be sure your jumping into a country that has what your looking for for the rest of your flying that night.
If it helps clean up some of the "crappy gameplay" I'm all for it, but I don't really think it's going to help much. I can't wait until the ENY cry's go up :devil
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I have a very busy lifestyle and I only have a few hours a day to play (if that). I only enjoy dogfighting, I won't help take bases, bomb, or gv. If I log into an arena and there's no fight going on or the ENY is up I'll switch countries without a second thought, and when the fight dies down I'll switch to another country, possibly even the one I was fighting against. Make it 12 hours before I can change countries and that limits my flight time even more.
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How does living in a timezone besides Eastern stop you from switching sides? Say you log in at 10pm, play for 30 minutes, and decide to switch sides. You switch sides at 10:30 and that's all you get for the night. You can switch again if you want tomorrow.
Because There is not a consistent number playing the game so when playing from other timezones, there are much less people playing the game. Ie, someone playing a 9pm in PST time would see less people playing than someone who started playing at 9pm EST.
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Thank GOD!
This has been needed for years and years.
Thank you HTC staff! I'd pay an extra $10 bucks a month to keep it permanently.
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I have a very busy lifestyle and I only have a few hours a day to play (if that). I only enjoy dogfighting, I won't help take bases, bomb, or gv. If I log into an arena and there's no fight going on or the ENY is up I'll switch countries without a second thought, and when the fight dies down I'll switch to another country, possibly even the one I was fighting against. Make it 12 hours before I can change countries and that limits my flight time even more.
That was along the lines of what I was thinking as well. I don't get that much time to fly as is. limiting the ability to get to the fight will impact on that.
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Thank GOD!
This has been needed for years and years.
No, not really. Just retarded paranoid horde monkeys have been crying about it for years.
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Doesn't this make the game even more country oriented?
We are all part of the community what ever country we are on.
I would also like to see the reason behind the change.
It just means 1 side change per night.Well for some that means 2 but, 3 hrs. seems more reasonable. :banana:
I personally don't care unless it starts effecting numbers tunrout. :rolleyes: Sure wish someone with all this time to make rule changes, could instead make a new map. :bolt:
edit: (cough) Revise some existing maps.(cough)
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Thank GOD!
This has been needed for years and years.
Thank you HTC staff! I'd pay an extra $10 bucks a month to keep it permanently.
Not flaming you Whopper, just curious as to why you think this is good?
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It just means 1 side change per night.Well for some that means 2 but, 3 hrs. seems more reasonable. :banana:
I personally don't care unless it starts effecting numbers tunrout. :rolleyes: Sure wish someone with all this time to make rule changes, could instead make a new map. :bolt:
I agree the gap between 12 hours and 1 hour is vast, 2 or 3 hours maybe.
I don't think people are into balancing sides unless the switch countries to find a new fight or to fly with squadies. The people who are flying in the horde do not want to be fighting against even numbers, or be fighting against numbers higher than they are.
I suspect that this will just throw the side balancing more out of proportion because those who do switch to fly low numbers cannot.
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I know, lets just change the game to one country. Then you pansy bellybutton tool shedding horde monkeys won't ever have to worry about spi3z or anyone actually trying to defend against your weak lemming lines.
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absolutely the worst move I have ever seen HTC make :mad:
totally not cool in any way shape or form.
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Posted in the news forum... 12 hour waiting period for side-switching.
I would personally like to thank the dweebs who caused this to happen - it put a crimp on short-term ability to switch sides for balance.
I'm not in a skawd, I have no chess-piece loyalty. I do not care about "The War."
Meh.
/dislike
This is a joke, right? :noid
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THANK YOU
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absolutely the worst move I have ever seen HTC make :mad:
totally not cool in any way shape or form.
Funny how they could have run a survey like they do for new planes to see what the customers want.
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Strange , it has been 12 hours for more years then the previous setting.
HiTech
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Matters little to me. You make your own fights if you don't have any available. Mind you I had no problem originally with the hour time limit. Some folks like to jump, and that's cool. :aok
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Doesn't this make the game even more country oriented?
Which is pretty much contrary to all statements and actions by HTC in the past about AH countries and country loyalty. Country kill stats have been taken down from the score pages with the expressed statement "We want to get rid of country centered thinking". HT himself agreed with me not too long ago that we need more players willing to change sides, not less. (I will try to look up the quotes later)
The whole thing would be fine with me if HTC would really go all the way with country oriented gameplay. Bring back country stats, give regularly updates about the war status on the homepage or even on twitter and make the "war" gameplay more strategic, varied and complex. Hell, in this case they could even up the switch limit to once per tour. Maybe it's time for a true "war" arena and a pure furball arena (similar to WW1 setup"?
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Strange , it has been 12 hours for more years then the previous setting.
HiTech
Can you share the logic behind the move back?
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Strange , it has been 12 hours for more years then the previous setting.
HiTech
And for many of us this previous setting was a highly welcome improvement. Just because "it has been like this before" it doesn't mean we have to like it ;)
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Can you share the logic behind the move back?
He just did
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Strange , it has been 12 hours for more years then the previous setting.
HiTech
but the previous setting allowed you to get out of a situation where the country you are on is hording, at least with an hour change it is tolerable.
I am not being rude or disrespectful, you know I have great respect for what you have created, but this is a bad move.
I am not chess piece loyal, and many others are the same, we feel this game is about combat, and could care less where any CV is, and this move really "cramps our style" so to speak.
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y'all can come to EW/MW if you want to switch.
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:huh
Kinda hope this means they're going to move to local/no ENY as well. I don't believe I'm particularly fond of this change. I don't change countries often, as usually about 10 minutes after I do it, a squaddie shows up. However, if you've got to wait 12 hours before switching again, I can pretty much guarantee I won't be.
Wiley.
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Maybe Zoom has it right with this post here...
Personally I don't know how much it will matter. It will certainly cut down on country jumping to get perks (even tho that doesn't work) and it might cut back a bit on the "spying" tho I won't count on that either.
You still get to switch once a night/day. Your just going to need some good communication before you jump to be sure your jumping into a country that has what your looking for for the rest of your flying that night.
If it helps clean up some of the "crappy gameplay" I'm all for it, but I don't really think it's going to help much. I can't wait until the ENY cry's go up :devil
Doesnt effect me as I dont change sides. ENY doesnt effect me most of the time as I can have just as much fun in a 109F as I can a 190D. I'll earn my pay one way or the other.
The only time ENY effects me is when I switch to GVs. And I dont GV all that often so. It really doesnt effect me although I think ENY should'nt apply to GVs to the same extent it does aircraft. but in the end ENY is no big deal to me one way or the other.
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We acted like the same scalded cats back during the arena split and ENY as we are acting over this decision. One would think for our community, change is as traumatic as being struck in the face with a framing hammer.
Maybe we should pass the hat and get HiTech a whiffel bat before he ups the anty and uses a 16 pound sledge to releive his near permenant headach from our constant caterwalling.
So can anyone venture how we found a way AGAIN to make HiTech drop a big change on us? What did we do this time to cause HiTech to beleive the previous shorter side switching setting was having a negative impact on the LWMA game play? The small seasoned cadre of readers in this post with such well defined and specific time requirments cannot reasonably be speaking for the other 99% of the player community.
Instead of telling HiTech why you don't like his decision. What did we do this time around to screw the pooch? After this many years we all know how naughty we are if left unchecked.
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12 hours..... wow
If there are no fights we will have to sign up for a 2 week trial to fly on the other side now. :(
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We acted like the same scalded cats back during the arena split and ENY as we are acting over this decision. One would think for our community, change is as traumatic as being struck in the face with a framing hammer.
Maybe we should pass the hat and get HiTech a whiffel bat before he ups the anty and uses a 16 pound sledge to releive his near permenant headach from our constant caterwalling.
So can anyone venture how we found a way AGAIN to make HiTech drop a big change on us? What did we do this time to cause HiTech to beleive the previous shorter side switching setting was having a negative impact on the LWMA game play? The small seasoned cadre of readers in this post with such well defined and specific time requirments cannot reasonably be speaking for the other 99% of the player community.
Instead of telling HiTech why you don't like his decision. What did we do this time around to screw the pooch? After this many years we all know how naughty we are if left unchecked.
Can you answer your own question Bustr? I have no idea why the change.
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So can anyone venture how we found a way AGAIN to make HiTech drop a big change on us? What did we do this time to cause HiTech to beleive the previous shorter side switching setting was having a negative impact on the LWMA game play? The small seasoned cadre of readers in this post with such well defined and specific time requirments cannot reasonably be speaking for the other 99% of the player community.
Instead of telling HiTech why you don't like his decision. What did we do this time around to screw the pooch? After this many years we all know how naughty we are if left unchecked.
*shakes the magic 8 ball* I'm gonna go with the cause being the constant jibberjabber about spiez and how the wait needs to be longer so the precious missions don't get ratted out.
Wiley.
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12 hours..... wow
If there are no fights we will have to sign up for a 2 week trial to fly on the other side now. :(
I thought those 80th boys were good at starting fights?
Edit: Forgot this means 12 hrs ingame time. :rolleyes:
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How about this.
Leave the 12 hour rule for the most part But allow you to switch within that span. But if you do you are only awarded half perks of whatever that sides ENY score system is until that 12 hours from your initial switch is used up.
People who just care about a fight could switch to their hearts content. And it would discourage switching for perk or horde purposes.
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. And it would discourage switching for perk or horde purposes.
I always thought of perks and the perk bonus modifier being a great and reasonable incentive to switch to the outnumbered/ganged site (read: high perk modifier) and help balancing the game. :headscratch:
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*shakes the magic 8 ball* I'm gonna go with the cause being the constant jibberjabber about spiez and how the wait needs to be longer so the precious missions don't get ratted out.
Wiley.
SPIEZ???
You mean we have SPIEZ in this game???
OH MY!!! (http://teamassignment.com/images/paranoid.gif)
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Untill HiTech tells us how we screwed the pooch this time around, why are you all blindly making proposals and comprimises based on ZERO information??
Mr. HiTech,
How did we screw up this time around sir?
Thank you,
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Strange , it has been 12 hours for more years then the previous setting.
HiTech
We didn't like it then, either. :rolleyes:
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I always thought of perks and the perk bonus modifier being a great and reasonable incentive to switch to the outnumbered/ganged site (read: high perk modifier) and help balancing the game. :headscratch:
Ok point made.
Then just ban side switching to the side with the most numbers.
LOL Like I said before. It really doesnt matter to me one way or the other. Figured I'd just throw an idea out there
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With the change, you still get to cracks at finding a fight/furball . The side you login on, and the one you decide to change too. I thought those 80th boys were good at starting fights?
Sign on for 12 hours and monitor the numbers. They can drastically change in a much shorter time than 12 hours.
The balancer now may end up being people logging off. The ones married to their chess piece will love not being able to fly their late war birds.
Only time will tell....... in 12 hour increments.
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Oh my word!!!!
This idea is totally stupid.
There will be nothing but Hord play now. Every player on one side will be at the same fight. This will cause the other side hord monkeys to make their own hord and attack away from the bad hord.
So now we will have nothing but giant hords attacking an undefended part of the map.
There is no way in hell that the hord monkeys will fight each other....NO FREAKEN WAY.
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Would you guys also like to have it changed to two-sided maps (Axis and Allied)? You pick a side and cannot switch unless you reset your account to choose the other? Be careful of what you complain about next...
:noid
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When the knights were close to winning the last map bish squads jumped aboard thinking they was going to get perkies i guess, complete BS on their part and shows how people value the ol mighty perks and play accordingly.
if it was the basetaking>gameplay, win-teh-war type squads, its just as likely the idea was to raise knit ENY to reduce the plane choices available to finish the job.
either way 12h doesnt strike me as a very good idea, just because of the ENY effect snail mentioned. it pretty much just punishes the side its supposed to protect.
I'd like to see another system message after:
XXXX have won the war
either:
XXXX have won the war
you have received a 25 perks bonus in each category
or:
XXXX have won the war
you have not been on XXXX long enough to receive a perk bonus
as appropriate.
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Would you guys also like to have it changed to two-sided maps (Axis and Allied)? You pick a side and cannot switch unless you reset your account to choose the other? Be careful of what you complain about next...
As I mentioned earlier, If we had a true and better set up war arena I wouldn't have a problem with that ;)
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Would you guys also like to have it changed to two-sided maps (Axis and Allied)? You pick a side and cannot switch unless you reset your account to choose the other? Be careful of what you complain about next...
:noid
if they could have a side balance imposed so the numbers didn't get lopsided, i would say whens it going to open up?
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As I mentioned earlier, If we had a true and better set up war arena I wouldn't have a problem with that ;)
I wouldn't mind it...but I'd still want to switch as needed to find fights. :airplane:
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Sign on for 12 hours and monitor the numbers. They can drastically change in a much shorter time than 12 hours.
The balancer now may end up being people logging off. The ones married to their chess piece will love not being able to fly their late war birds.
Only time will tell....... in 12 hour increments.
Yes, I forgot that meant ingame time. Sheesh you were fast on that quote. :D I've always been in a squad that was loyal to the chess piece I guess. I understand finding a good fight wether it be furballing, gving, carrier battles, or cartoon land. But there are some who just use the switch to game the game, always fight with the advantage, or use the low number side to scoretard. JMO
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HTC is the King of absurdly drastic spectrum to other end of spectrum changes.
Examples:
-Changes 1 hour wait time to 12 hours. No stops in between, just straight to the other side of the spectrum. :bhead :bhead :bhead :bhead :bhead
-Changes under radar from 500ft to 65 ft. Goes from easy to impossible in one update. :bhead :bhead :bhead
-Changes to town: Goes from insanely easy to kill and capture to almost impossible with the graphical updates. 8 months later, they finally decide to make it a percentage of the town. :bhead :bhead
-Airplane fires. Goes from up to a minute of lit candles flying around the sky to 4 seconds tops and then the plane is dead. :bhead
-DA: Posts a rule that if you interrupt side base fights it is against the rules and you will be banned from the game, then all of a sudden it's not even against the rules anymore. :bhead :bhead :bhead
SERIOUSLY. What is up with the knee jerk end of spectrum to other end of spectrum in the blink of an eye changes this game sees all too often? Every heard of baby steps?
TOTAL COUNT: 14 Head wall bangs for HTC.
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-DA: Posts a rule that if you interrupt side base fights it is against the rules and you will be banned from the game, then all of a sudden it's not even against the rules.
really? thats an awful change :huh
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really? thats an awful change :huh
It is when you rescind it randomly 2 months later.
You missed the point of the post completely though.
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HTC is the King of absurdly drastic spectrum to other end of spectrum changes.
Examples:
-Changes 1 hour wait time to 12 hours. No stops in between, just straight to the other side of the spectrum. :bhead :bhead :bhead :bhead :bhead
-Changes under radar from 500ft to 65 ft. Goes from easy to impossible in one update. :bhead :bhead :bhead
-Changes to town: Goes from insanely easy to kill and capture to almost impossible with the graphical updates. 8 months later, they finally decide to make it a percentage of the town. :bhead :bhead
-Airplane fires. Goes from up to a minute of lit candles flying around the sky to 4 seconds tops and then the plane is dead. :bhead
-DA: Posts a rule that if you interrupt side base fights it is against the rules and you will be banned from the game, then all of a sudden it's not even against the rules. :bhead :bhead :bhead
SERIOUSLY. What is up with the knee jerk end of spectrum to other end of spectrum in the blink of an eye changes this game sees all too often? Every heard of baby steps?
TOTAL COUNT: 14 Head wall bangs for HTC.
Dance monkey, DANCE!
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Might be because I never change countries on a very regular basis to suit my own personal profitability, but I like this change a lot.
Thank you very much HTC. To whom should I address this flak jacket to that I'd like to send as a gift?
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:cry :cry :cry :cry :cry :cry :cry :cry :cry :cry :cry :cry :cry :cry
TOTAL COUNT: 14 waaambulances for HTC.
I think he's gonna need a WHOLE LOT more than just 14 today. :ahand
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Can you share the logic behind the move back?
heh... good thing i read thru teh thread, or I was going ot be asking the same question. Thanks for taking the heat. :banana: :bolt:
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get rid of the time to switch completely, and give a complete mute except in squad, for 20 minutes if you switch within 10 minutes, this would fix the spying and allow to go where the fight is at all times, and not be stuck on the side that is hoarding which can be the lowest numbered side.
I have absolutely switched to the lowest numbered side to find that we had the biggest hoard and that was the only fight to on the map.
please HTC think about this it would totally fix the side switching spies, which is why I am guessing this change is happening....
you yourself said the game is about combat, the war is to perpetuate Combat, which is the only reason I am here COMBAT, this seriously restricts that.
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get rid of the time to switch completely, and give a complete mute except in squad, for 20 minutes if you switch within 10 minutes, this would fix the spying
You don't think nobody would use any other means of communication? ;)
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HTC is the King of absurdly drastic spectrum to other end of spectrum changes.
Examples:
-Changes 1 hour wait time to 12 hours. No stops in between, just straight to the other side of the spectrum. :bhead :bhead :bhead :bhead :bhead
-Changes under radar from 500ft to 65 ft. Goes from easy to impossible in one update. :bhead :bhead :bhead
-Changes to town: Goes from insanely easy to kill and capture to almost impossible with the graphical updates. 8 months later, they finally decide to make it a percentage of the town. :bhead :bhead
-Airplane fires. Goes from up to a minute of lit candles flying around the sky to 4 seconds tops and then the plane is dead. :bhead
-DA: Posts a rule that if you interrupt side base fights it is against the rules and you will be banned from the game, then all of a sudden it's not even against the rules. :bhead :bhead :bhead
SERIOUSLY. What is up with the knee jerk end of spectrum to other end of spectrum in the blink of an eye changes this game sees all too often? Every heard of baby steps?
TOTAL COUNT: 14 Head wall bangs for HTC.
One time when Hitech was a boy he fell off a cliff. It looked just like Wile E. Coyote falling off a cliff, he stepped off, he didn't fall, he looked down, he looked up then...BAM...terminal velocity. Because he didn't die at the bottom and found the experience exhilarating, he craved the experience again. He went home and watched cartoons and happened to see Wile E. Coyote do the same thing. The light bulb went on. He realized in toonland, this is the way things worked. He combined his love for airplanes with his desire to be in a toon world and have toon things happen. Because toon physics would not be appropriate for a flight simulator he decided to govern the realm in an analogous way. This is why we go from one extreme to the other INSTANTLY.
Are there any other questions?
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Grizz,
So you have identified 14 times HiTech has performed an action that makes no sense to your view of the AH universe mechanism. Do you think he has the time or would even bother to point out the thousands or possibly more from the total player base since 1999 to today as the root\adminsitrator and creator of this game? I always imagine you saying something like this to other players. Guess this is my one to HiTech's 14.
I've won $5 on a bet that you have special privleges with HTC because HiTech takes you along for rides in the RV8 every sunday and beers after. If anyone sees aeneus again tell him I win the bet. He was always a little ticked at you Grizz.
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Grizz,
So you have identified 14 times HiTech has performed an action that makes no sense to your view of the AH universe mechanism.
No. I named 5 things off the top of my head in about 30 seconds of thought and then equated a number of head to wall bangs each epic fail was worth. I'm sure there are plenty more.
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Guys, do you REALLY think HiTech needs more of this !@#$ already in his life?!
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No. I named 5 things off the top of my head in about 30 seconds of thought and then equated a number of head to wall bangs each epic fail was worth. I'm sure there are plenty more.
Easy Grizz, easy.
Since when did HTC's decision's become negotiable? :lol
:old:
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HTC is the King of absurdly drastic spectrum to other end of spectrum changes.
Examples:
-Changes 1 hour wait time to 12 hours. No stops in between, just straight to the other side of the spectrum. :bhead :bhead :bhead :bhead :bhead
-Changes under radar from 500ft to 65 ft. Goes from easy to impossible in one update. :bhead :bhead :bhead
-Changes to town: Goes from insanely easy to kill and capture to almost impossible with the graphical updates. 8 months later, they finally decide to make it a percentage of the town. :bhead :bhead
-Airplane fires. Goes from up to a minute of lit candles flying around the sky to 4 seconds tops and then the plane is dead. :bhead
-DA: Posts a rule that if you interrupt side base fights it is against the rules and you will be banned from the game, then all of a sudden it's not even against the rules anymore. :bhead :bhead :bhead
SERIOUSLY. What is up with the knee jerk end of spectrum to other end of spectrum in the blink of an eye changes this game sees all too often? Every heard of baby steps?
TOTAL COUNT: 14 Head wall bangs for HTC.
I get what you're saying here Grizz, and yes dramatic changes vs incremental changes are harder to swallow and sometime don't make perfect sense. Consider this: Which is more time efficient and decisive?
A: One massive change that elicits a decided player response one way or another (which takes relatively little effort to coad).
or
B. Three or four incremental coad changes (much more time intensive) which will yield a near perfect (and hence indiscernible) 50/50 player split along the way.
Further, causing a major player outcry or hallelujah has the effect of creating debate and a player base quorum.
Lastly: I am just fine with this change and don't see it going away. 1. This will negatively impact the cheap gamer spying perk hunter types (vTards) 2. This will negatively impact the other end of the spectrum: the side-switching furballers (Shane, 80th). 3. BUT. I would argue the majority of players fall between these extremes 4. It will benefit squads with country allegiance (Pigs) 5. There will be furballers on each side unhappy with this. If they can't stand combat in the context of a greater objective why are they in the MA at all vs the DA? 6. Getting all "psych-major" here but with players forced to trend towads "ingroup/outgroup" dynamics there will be some awesome rivalries formed. We gain identity through our enemies. While this is a sad flaw of humanity it will make for great gaming.
Even more lastly: Where does the DAR sit now? Are we happy with it? Are we happy with how town captures are handled? Does it look better and more realistic than it did before? Is it more fun as a result? I say the answer to all these things is yes. We also have the B-29 now too. Hitech listens and should be afforded a little opportunity to experiment towards a better game. :salute
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Strange , it has been 12 hours for more years then the previous setting.
HiTech
What kind of explanation is this? Oh wait, we don't get those because you know what we really need. Not what is fun. Stupid customers.
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Guys, do you REALLY think HiTech needs more of this !@#$ already in his life?!
(http://france.worldcupblog.org/files/2009/11/crying-child1.jpg)
Doesn't matter if he needs it, he's going to get it anyway.
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Guys, do you REALLY think HiTech needs more of this !@#$ already in his life?!
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Thank god for cheerleaders. You go girl.
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You don't think nobody would use any other means of communication? ;)
of course.....someone that does that will do whatever it takes...but why else would this change be implemented?
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Doesn't matter if he needs it, he's going to get it anyway.
Soooo much of this thread, and it's next 20 pages, can be summed up right here with that sentence.
Lets break out the popcorn, lawn chairs and beer chests now.
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I'm happy.
Grizz just helped me win $5 on this game.
Lawn chairs and beer coolers time....... :D
Babs pass the popcorn.
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Only seems to be two opinions here...
1) Doesn't mind because it doesn't effect them
2) Absolutely hates it
Doesn't seem like a very positive change to me.
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Ill stop this nonsense for Hitech
easy fix hitech
make 2 fields- 1 field= USA <all USA planes-n allied>
2nd field=losers <german n japanese planes>
No country switching ever. one pick thats all what you wanna be. no base takin just one big horde.
:devil
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-1 on this change.
If it's to prevent spiez, it won't. Phone, e-mail, text, vox and carrier pigeons will still be used for nefarious purposes. It will however, prevent people who switch to find a better fight or help the low # side from doing such things. :(
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looks like it's time to find another flight sim to waste my time. It was fun while it lasted HTC.
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Sad change. :frown:
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Guys, do you REALLY think HiTech needs more of this !@#$ already in his life?!
(http://france.worldcupblog.org/files/2009/11/crying-child1.jpg)
So you assumed that HT thought this would be a smooth process?
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-1 on this change.
If it's to prevent spiez, it won't. Phone, e-mail, text, vox and carrier pigeons will still be used for nefarious purposes. It will however, prevent people who switch to find a better fight or help the low # side from doing such things. :(
This!
If HT changed it because of spying, it will not cease. There is nothing set in place to stop people from PMing their friends about the latest mission that just rolled.
Maybe we should be only able to PM each other every 12 hours?
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I do not like this change for the same reasons as Shane, Guppy and Lusche.
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Maybe we should be only able to PM each other every 12 hours?
:rofl
:aok
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This!
If HT changed it because of spying, it will not cease. There is nothing set in place to stop people from PMing their friends about the latest mission that just rolled.
Maybe we should be only able to PM each other every 12 hours?
You would think they would have the courage to come out and say why a large portion of the player base now has to change the way they play the game.
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They must have gotten tired of grown men balling to them about how their mission got busted up by the "spiez".
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Spys side switchers, while I'm sure this happens I can bet it doesn't happen anywhere near as much as some people think. The real problem is that its an easy scapegoat for said paranoid player sucking at this game.
Game is getting better looking but worse and worse gameplay wise, don't expect me to pay to spend most of my time flying around looking for a fight I could get my recent MA fix by simply flying offline, less paranoid spy retards there as well nice to see you buckling under the pressure and removing all variety from the game.
Actually stuff that account deleted air to air gameplay sucks.
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Spys side switchers, while I'm sure this happens I can bet it doesn't happen anywhere near as much as some people think. The real problem is that its an easy scapegoat for said paranoid player sucking at this game.
Game is getting better looking but worse and worse gameplay wise, don't expect me to pay to spend most of my time flying around looking for a fight I could get my recent MA fix by simply flying offline, less paranoid spy retards there as well nice to see you buckling under the pressure and removing all variety from the game.
Actually stuff that account deleted air to air gameplay sucks.
lol, we should have an IQ test, if your under 100 you can't play....
ok ok that's a bit elitist, but man, prob wash out all the '5p13 tards'.
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this really sucks. :thumbswaydown
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Listen KN have been called spiez so many times. we don't spy. I don't know any who does spy. 12 hours will last a tour and then they will back down a bit to maybe 6 hours or less. There will still be grumbles but it will become the norm. I have seen these things, whats happened before will happen again.
HTC modus operandi.
Honestly thinking about it I don't know if they do these things on purpose just to get people worked up. YOu know any press is good press type of deal.
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I think something needed to be done, but 12 hours is certainly a bit too much.
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Doesn't take much to get you guys fired up. Its not that bad. Some of you may need to be put on suicide watch. :noid
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Nuts
take away part of your customer's ability to enjoy the game.. excellent move!
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I enjoyed flying with a bunch of ya on different countries when the situations called for it. The fights often went late into the night and you'd have to switch back as the #'s fluctuated to keep it fair and fun.
Here's to all the fights that were created by the ability to switch once an hour. :cheers:
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Not a fan of this at all. I can only surmise that they were losing more new subscribers because of paranoid idiots like Rox and his ilk who blame everything in the game to cheating and spying, and work up the impressionable masses with their hysterics. A concrete measure against that, not really, but will probably keep the tin foil castrati happy...
This will disproportionately effect the veterans or people looking for a decent or quick fight, as said above. That said, I guess I can understand HT putting his new customers ahead of us dinosaurs, given player dynamics and all. Still really, really disappointed though.
:(
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:rofl :rofl :rofl
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Hahaha
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wow some of you drama queens have lost it, the meltdown is amusing to say the least :rofl
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$80 down for "Radar Deck"
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wow some of you drama queens have lost it, the meltdown is amusing to say the least :rofl
Don't you have somewhere to "oink"?
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Don't you have somewhere to "oink"?
I'm Oinked out for the night, had some fun.... thanks for asking :salute Don't you have a Japanese plane you should be flying? :D
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I am going 200$ on puffy ack.
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wow some of you drama queens have lost it, the meltdown is amusing to say the least :rofl
Imagine the "meltdown" that would ensue if HTC prevented squads from spamming country channel with "oinks" ? I can just imagine the squeals. :rofl
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Well my account didn't last long then.
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Tried it out tonight. Went Rooks as there was a fight and they were low numbers. Fight soon died. Tried to start one with no luck. Couldn't switch. Ended up logging for the night.
So it goes. Guess we'll see how it all plays out.
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Tried it out tonight. Went Rooks as there was a fight and they were low numbers. Fight soon died. Tried to start one with no luck. Couldn't switch. Ended up logging for the night.
So it goes. Guess we'll see how it all plays out.
went bish and had fights for maybe 15 minutes, ended up 1v1ing with sfox as it was the O N L Y thing goin on :(
all squadies left earlier than normal. a couple were quite disgusted.
There must be another way than this!
JUGgler
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Am I right??? Am I hearing grown men cry??? Is that what I am hearing????? Over the inability to flip flop teams only a day??? Seriously??? :headscratch:
:bhead
I say good move, HTC. :salute
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I say good move, HTC. :salute
I'm intrigued - why do you think its a good idea? :headscratch:
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Am I right??? Am I hearing grown men cry??? Is that what I am hearing????? Over the inability to flip flop teams only a day??? Seriously??? :headscratch:
:bhead
I say good move, HTC. :salute
You must enjoy long periods of ENY :huh
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It stops the gaming the game ppl, which is great!
it stops also the spys alert and discussion on 200 which is also great, so where is the deal to whine about it?
:aok
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It stops the gaming the game ppl, which is great!
it stops also the spys alert and discussion on 200 which is also great, so where is the deal to whine about it?
:aok
Really it doesn't stop anything, only delays it.
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It stops the gaming the game ppl, which is great!
it stops also the spys alert and discussion on 200 which is also great, so where is the deal to whine about it?
:aok
Try again.
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IMO this doesn't really fix the spy problem, and only serves to further anger those in the community that still actually care.
15$ isn't that much money to a lot of the players here I would wager (I'm not included in this), particularly the old hands who really REALLY care about their score and points etc. Having a couple extra accounts would be no big deal to these guys, and having another cheap PC or laptop nearby equals 100% intelligence gathered on the other side.
edit: Disregard entire post, Grizzbot beat me to it with an entire thread dedicated to this.
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went bish and had fights for maybe 15 minutes, ended up 1v1ing with sfox as it was the O N L Y thing goin on :(
all squadies left earlier than normal. a couple were quite disgusted.
There must be another way than this!
JUGgler
lol dont you complain about this everynight, even before the change. here's some picture as proof that "nothing is going on". second picture didnt capture the blinking bases but 4 or 5 of them had a fight going on. so this nothing is going on is bs.
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semp
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With the single arena these days, I've YET to be hit with an ENY problem since the change, so any arguments
for or against the 12 hour limit based on ENY complaints is a non-starter.
There's more than a few "side switchers" who do it just to hunt Rook C47s or spoil a raid
just because they can, so from that perspective, I'm all for the 12 hour thing.
Is it gonna fix things? No. The spying will still go on, and the "spoiler" crews will still
swap, but at least they'll be thinking twice before doing it.
I know Rooks who've been around for years and who folks think are straight
shooters that go over to the "other side" and then report on NME fleet locations,
missions being worked up, etc... I've been "PM"d by 'em numerous times in the
past. I just PM 'em back sayin' I'm not interested and shrug my head in disgust.
And these are grown-ups; not kids.
Like the man says in an "AvA" arena push; there's no side switching limit there, so
join in the fun there. :)
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It stops the gaming the game ppl, which is great!
it stops also the spys alert and discussion on 200 which is also great, so where is the deal to whine about it?
:aok
I agree with your first two points. I think the "Gaming the Game" guys and the "Spyz" guys are very minimal in number. It seems many feel when their mission doesn't go right or something that they see seems fishy, they automatically assume the problem is rampant. The people I know who switch, do it to find fights. This generally means changing to the low number country. This has two positive effects for all sides. It eliminates or reduces ENY and creates more and better fights. You are loyal to a chess piece and that's fine. I understand that. I would even say I support it. But country numbers often get skewed by large margins. The result is one or maybe even two countries suffering ENY. Nothing new there, but generally the reason it doesn't last long is that people are willing to switch, which balances numbers. Otherwise ENY is going to last considerably longer, and on some maps decrease the number of fights.
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With the single arena these days, I've YET to be hit with an ENY problem since the change, so any arguments
for or against the 12 hour limit based on ENY complaints is a non-starter.
There's more than a few "side switchers" who do it just to hunt Rook C47s or spoil a raid
just because they can, so from that perspective, I'm all for the 12 hour thing.
Is it gonna fix things? No. The spying will still go on, and the "spoiler" crews will still
swap, but at least they'll be thinking twice before doing it.
I know Rooks who've been around for years and who folks think are straight
shooters that go over to the "other side" and then report on NME fleet locations,
missions being worked up, etc... I've been "PM"d by 'em numerous times in the
past. I just PM 'em back sayin' I'm not interested and shrug my head in disgust.
And these are grown-ups; not kids.
Like the man says in an "AvA" arena push; there's no side switching limit there, so
join in the fun there. :)
There are always going to be some who need to cheat. This won't stop that. Create a shade and park him in another country and they'll still do it Odd. As far as ENY goes, you don't see it that much because several people make an effort to balance the numbers and find some good fights. If anything ENY will increase and countries will have to wait until the red guys log or more friendlies log on.
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Babs, more popcorn. I'm drinking Trader Joe's 2 buck chuck from the bottel next to my keyboard as this is so, so, dramatic. Aces High history is happening as we enjoy the show.
I cannot remember the muppets as a squad ever loosing it like forum drama queens over anything until now. They have always put forth such a unified front of AH conduct and maturity. One would think HiTech has personaly chosen to pierce their hearts and cast them aside as the Aces High squaderon Gold Standard.
Still, no representative from HTC has officialy posted the purpose of the time change. Such high drama in the face of absolutly no definitive facts. I guess Brutus pulls his drawers on one leg at a time like the rest of us lowley cannon fodder.
Babs, please raise the beach umbrella. It's raining the mighty in a steady deluge today........e tu so the bard spake. As so Brutus must be contemplating the end of the second battel of Philippi by now.
Muppets, it's not advisable to make water on superman's cape so to say.
All eyes are on the mighty and how they prevail or wither to this travail Against the HiTech Master of the AH Universe.
Babs, more popcorn. I'm enraptured with all this dramatic prose of richous ire to HiTech from the furry critters. It stirrs my vigor and holds me captive to the contestants yet flameing end.
e tu furry ones, e tu....... all moths burn the brightest closest to the flame at the end.
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Babs, more popcorn. I'm drinking Trader Joe's 2 buck chuck from the bottel next to my keyboard as this is so, so, dramatic. Aces High history is happening as we enjoy the show.
I cannot remember the muppets as a squad ever loosing it like forum drama queens over anything until now. They have always put forth such a unified front of AH conduct and maturity. One would think HiTech has personaly chosen to pierce their hearts and cast them aside as the Aces High squaderon Gold Standard.
Still, no representative from HTC has officialy posted the purpose of the time change. Such high drama in the face of absolutly no definitive facts. I guess Brutus pulls his drawers on one leg at a time like the rest of us lowley cannon fodder.
Babs, please raise the beach umbrella. It's raining the mighty in a steady deluge today........e tu so the bard spake. As so Brutus must be contemplating the end of the second battel of Philippi by now.
Muppets, it's not advisable to make water on superman's cape so to say.
All eyes are on the mighty and how they prevail or wither to this travail Against the HiTech Master of the AH Universe.
Babs, more popcorn. I'm enraptured with all this dramatic prose of richous ire to HiTech from the furry critters. It stirrs my vigor and holds me captive to the contestants yet flameing end.
e tu furry ones, e tu....... all moths burn the brightest closest to the flame at the end.
E tu bustr E tu
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By the way who read Julius Caesar recently and started throwing quotes around?
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Babs, more popcorn. I'm drinking Trader Joe's 2 buck chuck from the bottel next to my keyboard as this is so, so, dramatic. Aces High history is happening as we enjoy the show.
I cannot remember the muppets as a squad ever loosing it like forum drama queens over anything until now. They have always put forth such a unified front of AH conduct and maturity. One would think HiTech has personaly chosen to pierce their hearts and cast them aside as the Aces High squaderon Gold Standard.
Still, no representative from HTC has officialy posted the purpose of the time change. Such high drama in the face of absolutly no definitive facts. I guess Brutus pulls his drawers on one leg at a time like the rest of us lowley cannon fodder.
Babs, please raise the beach umbrella. It's raining the mighty in a steady deluge today........e tu so the bard spake. As so Brutus must be contemplating the end of the second battel of Philippi by now.
Muppets, it's not advisable to make water on superman's cape so to say.
All eyes are on the mighty and how they prevail or wither to this travail Against the HiTech Master of the AH Universe.
Babs, more popcorn. I'm enraptured with all this dramatic prose of richous ire to HiTech from the furry critters. It stirrs my vigor and holds me captive to the contestants yet flameing end.
e tu furry ones, e tu....... all moths burn the brightest closest to the flame at the end.
Not as bad as the 48 page Pig meltdown awhile back. That was real maturity. So you're confirming your objection to all this is solely directed at Muppets. IN teresting :lol
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Sorry, I think this is a bad decision for game play in general :confused:
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When the 1337 of 1337 in this game start insulting HiTech as a group in his own house as though they Are The Gold Standard of the game en total. Well...e tu, Brutus, e tu. Cape watering is risky at it's best.
HTC still hasen't put out an official reason for his action and you furry critters are still making deals with wisps of speculation and threats of nebulous actions the last I read in this posting. I'm not sure you critters will get Caesar, err, HiTech to buy into this. Or the rest of the beach chair gallery.
Babs, more popcorn. Sukov you want Babs to freashen up that beer? Anyone else want to pull your beach chairs in closer and watch the fun? We can send out for pizza. Only HiTech can comment on the mystry of why he changed the time span. So the best we can do until there is real data. Babs, pass the popcorn.
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By the way who read Julius Caesar recently and started throwing quotes around?
Aw common Sukov. You didn't study under the 100 great works and had to discuss Caesars commentaires to pass your sophmore year? Though, I could be mistaken and Bear only skimmed Clausewitz and believes the "fog of war" and "friction" are screen plays from Steven Hirsch.
But, Then I'm not shouting at windmills thinking they will respond because of who I am.
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Devil's advocate here...
How can a fight devellop if every one keeps switching side looking for the said fight, and not actually flying, building the darbars?
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Not as bad as the 48 page Pig meltdown awhile back. That was real maturity. So you're confirming your objection to all this is solely directed at Muppets. IN teresting :lol
Some pent up anger on the cheerleader sqaud.
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Aw common Sukov. You didn't study under the 100 great works and had to discuss Caesars commentaires to pass your sophmore year? Though, I could be mistaken and Bear only skimmed Clausewitz and believes the "fog of war" and "friction" are screen plays from Steven Hirsch.
But, Then I'm not shouting at windmills thinking they will respond because of who I am.
You must be penguin's older sister.
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12 hours, it's not exactly that long to wait. Just pick your side switches carefully? I mean sometimes I think people should wait a little while before jumping ship, see how the numbers pan out. On the possitive side it stops the oppertunists jumping country to up a 262 against a mission they just saw rolling, or those who switch sides to fly the cheapest perk planes constantly. 12 hours is not that bad, unless you play the game 24/7 without a break.
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No, not really. Just retarded paranoid horde monkeys have been crying about it for years.
and you have been here for YEARS???......how many post can you find about people crying about this?? :salute
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It stops the gaming the game ppl, which is great!
it stops also the spys alert and discussion on 200 which is also great, so where is the deal to whine about it?
It will stop nothing of it. Even when we had 12h limits, about each sunk CV and each failed mission was explained and attributed to "spies". ;)
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It will stop nothing of it. Even when we had 12h limits, about each sunk CV and each failed mission was explained and attributed to "spies". ;)
well, who cares about failed missions?
I just don't see whats the real big deal with 12 hours as limit?
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well, who cares about failed missions?
I just don't see whats the real big deal with 12 hours as limit?
What's the big deal about 1 hour if you "don't care about failed missions " ?
Because I don't like to be stuck on a side with no real combat options, which does happens frequently. When I do see one side totally ganged and outnumbered I like to hop there instead of being one of the gangers. With 12 hours, I won't be able to help balancing anything.
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and you have been here for YEARS???......how many post can you find about people crying about this?? :salute
Plenty, that is if the forum search actually worked.
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I suggest that the fundamental difference between those who object to raising the time limit to changing and those who don't, boils down to the difference between the finding a fight, and picking a fight. Whether ENY crippled, or grossly outnumbered, I have never had a problem finding or picking a fight. If you can't find a fight, all you need to do is give someone a reason to fight you. If you can't find a fight, and you aren't giving your opponent a reason to fight you... Well duh, it's because you aren't worth the fight.
Try taking something from them that they deem worth defending, like maybe a base. In my experience, this typically generates a pretty good fight. On the other hand, I suppose you could come here to the forums to look for a fight, and cry about nobody delivering a fight to you.
Bottom line, if nobody's fighting you, it isn't your country's fault, it's not your countryman's fault, or even your opponent's fault, it's simply that nobody considers you worth fighting.
If you build it, they will come.
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What a bunch a whine babies
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What a bunch a whine babies
No kidding...................... ... :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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What's the big deal about 1 hour if you "don't care about failed missions " ?
Because I don't like to be stuck on a side with no real combat options, which does happens frequently. When I do see one side totally ganged and outnumbered I like to hop there instead of being one of the gangers. With 12 hours, I won't be able to help balancing anything.
when ppl can't change that often sides will not ganged and outnumbered because sides will stay balanced! ppl change because they wanna be on the winning side. I don't care, we LD are a rook Squadron, but not an (active) factor of land grabbing.
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I suggest that the fundamental difference between those who object to raising the time limit to changing and those who don't, boils down to the difference between the finding a fight, and picking a fight.
Wisdom here. :aok
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Bottom line, if nobody's fighting you, it isn't your country's fault, it's not your countryman's fault, or even your opponent's fault, it's simply that nobody considers you worth fighting.
If you build it, they will come.
Sooo when I go into an arena, see 6 guys grabbing bases without any resistance, up to defend against them and they immediately drop everything once they realize there's opposition and go to attack the other country... it's just because I'm not "worth a fight"?
:lol
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when ppl can't change that often sides will not ganged and outnumbered because sides will stay balanced! ppl change because they wanna be on the winning side.
Have you been here when we had 1 LW, 12h switching limit for years? ;)
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Dyran and his group are happy to fly around for two hours and only engage in one fight because they have all the advantages. Flying around for an hour and NOT getting into a fight is nothing new to them.
While I don't switch often, I've always liked the option. Switch, fly with friends, they log, I switch back. I can see where this hurts a bunch of players, but I can't see where it helps any.
Maybe HTC can step in an give us a reason why they did it.
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I suggest that the fundamental difference between those who object to raising the time limit to changing and those who don't, boils down to the difference between the finding a fight, and picking a fight. Whether ENY crippled, or grossly outnumbered, I have never had a problem finding or picking a fight. If you can't find a fight, all you need to do is give someone a reason to fight you. If you can't find a fight, and you aren't giving your opponent a reason to fight you... Well duh, it's because you aren't worth the fight.
Try taking something from them that they deem worth defending, like maybe a base. In my experience, this typically generates a pretty good fight. On the other hand, I suppose you could come here to the forums to look for a fight, and cry about nobody delivering a fight to you.
Bottom line, if nobody's fighting you, it isn't your country's fault, it's not your countryman's fault, or even your opponent's fault, it's simply that nobody considers you worth fighting.
If you build it, they will come.
You call driving 30 110s aand goon to a base "finding a fight"? Looks to me like you just want to horde a base and have little oppostion so you can win t3h warz!
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You gotta be kidding me :(
Great...
/sarcasm
Seriously?
knew youd three be the first three posters :aok
Only seems to be two opinions here...
1) Doesn't mind because it doesn't effect them
2) Absolutely hates it
Doesn't seem like a very positive change to me.
---nope it doesnt affect the 20th at all but i personally do think this 12 hour refix is too drastic. many players log in for an hour or two then log off (some come back later that night). what if they change during the first time playing and then the second time there's absolutely nothing fun to do the second time but there's a fierce fight between the other two countries? he can't go have fun because of the 12 hours. a moderate switch of 3-6 hours is much better. kills easy spying and allows the side swappers a bit of leeway so they can join the massive air battles on other fronts. <S>---
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Geez
Awsome... but why??
You liked to fight "against" the horde? You werent a basetaker? Maybe you were a real, a dirty, a slimebag spy?
Its over now. Thanks to the "spy-whiners".
Join the mega-horde today! or Set up your shades!
Awsome. Maybe one hour uis too short to stop those who switch to get those crappy 25 perks for the country win, but those 25 perks are as inportant?? If no then why?
End of the hopeless rant. Be happy spy-whiners.
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In recent times the level of spy paranoia has gotten way out of control, almost every time I switched countrys there was some loser asking me what I was doing there, I even had chimps trying to bluff to me they were HTC mods and they knew that I had been spying. Complete bunch of paranoid losers.
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In recent times the level of spy paranoia has gotten way out of control, almost every time I switched countrys there was some loser asking me what I was doing there, I even had chimps trying to bluff to me they were HTC mods and they knew that I had been spying. Complete bunch of paranoid losers.
at least one thing we can agree in.
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(http://i379.photobucket.com/albums/oo237/grizz441/htcsucks.jpg)
A fair amount of work here. You must have been pretty motivated. :salute
Just a thought here Grizz. While your assessment seems correct, perhaps the reason is very logical. Often in an equation with many variables, the values are set to the extremes to determine the sensitivity of the equation to those variables. Then they can be adjusted with some confidence.
Sure it's a risk that something bad will happen at the extremes, but I think we, as an addicted community, have a pretty long time constant before experation over the impact of a single variable.
Perhaps HiTech's re-calibrating. :D
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Its over now. Thanks to the "spy-whiners".
As usual, we don't really know the exact reasonings behind a change. It could have been just because of the whining (but then, we still have collisions, ENY, unperked Spit 16, sinkable CV's and so on) or because the was a real problem with it or it's part of a greater scheme (unlikely) or just a "I do it because I can" moment by HT :D
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Is it not strange that these major changes happen whenever there is a new changes @ the office (new office, new marketing, more advertising)?
:noid
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As usual, we don't really know the exact reasonings behind a change. It could have been just because of the whining (but then, we still have collisions, ENY, unperked Spit 16, sinkable CV's and so on) or because the was a real problem with it or it's part of a greater scheme (unlikely) or just a "I do it because I can" moment by HT :D
Indestructible tanks, etc... :devil
You should threaten to cancel your account again.
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You should threaten to cancel your account again.
Not over this :lol
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Devil's advocate here...
How can a fight devellop if every one keeps switching side looking for the said fight, and not actually flying, building the darbars?
Never seen that scenario. Why switch if you aren't going to fight? Given limited flying time of a few hours at most, you're switching once.
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when ppl can't change that often sides will not ganged and outnumbered because sides will stay balanced! ppl change because they wanna be on the winning side. I don't care, we LD are a rook Squadron, but not an (active) factor of land grabbing.
I don't know anyone who switches to be on the "winning" side. Most that switch could care less about "winning" the war. That and you have to fly on the "winning" side for 4 hours to win anything.
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When the 1337 of 1337 in this game start insulting HiTech as a group in his own house as though they Are The Gold Standard of the game en total. Well...e tu, Brutus, e tu. Cape watering is risky at it's best.
HTC still hasen't put out an official reason for his action and you furry critters are still making deals with wisps of speculation and threats of nebulous actions the last I read in this posting. I'm not sure you critters will get Caesar, err, HiTech to buy into this. Or the rest of the beach chair gallery.
Babs, more popcorn. Sukov you want Babs to freashen up that beer? Anyone else want to pull your beach chairs in closer and watch the fun? We can send out for pizza. Only HiTech can comment on the mystry of why he changed the time span. So the best we can do until there is real data. Babs, pass the popcorn.
Definitely sounds like a case of squad envy :(
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Am I right??? Am I hearing grown men cry??? Is that what I am hearing????? Over the inability to flip flop teams only a day??? Seriously??? :headscratch:
:bhead
I say good move, HTC. :salute
I believe the whine your hearing is self induced as you try to understand what you read here.
You folks married to a chess piece will fail to understand right away what this can do to game play.
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Aw common Sukov. You didn't study under the 100 great works and had to discuss Caesars commentaires to pass your sophmore year? Though, I could be mistaken and Bear only skimmed Clausewitz and believes the "fog of war" and "friction" are screen plays from Steven Hirsch.
But, Then I'm not shouting at windmills thinking they will respond because of who I am.
Other than sarcasm and attempts to look clever, I haven't seen you make a point yet?
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Geez
Awsome... but why??
You liked to fight "against" the horde? You werent a basetaker? Maybe you were a real, a dirty, a slimebag spy?
Its over now. Thanks to the "spy-whiners".
Join the mega-horde today! or Set up your shades!
Awsome. Maybe one hour uis too short to stop those who switch to get those crappy 25 perks for the country win, but those 25 perks are as inportant?? If no then why?
End of the hopeless rant. Be happy spy-whiners.
I believe you only get the perk points if you have been flying that country for 4 hours.
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I believe the whine your hearing is self induced as you try to understand what you read here.
You folks married to a chess piece will fail to understand right away what this can do to game play.
Matter of opinion.
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Matter of opinion.
Yes I find it funny when folks fail at discussion and just call anything they diagree with a whine.
It is about as effective as the computer tech who went to fix a customers computer. The customer complained the windows ME machine kept getting blue screens. The tech fixed it by changing the color to green.
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Yes I find it funny when folks fail at discussion and just call anything they diagree with a whine.
That sig material right there :D
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Definitely sounds like a case of squad envy :(
Not in the slightest. Like apples to oranges... :aok
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Dyran and his group are happy to fly around for two hours and only engage in one fight because they have all the advantages. Flying around for an hour and NOT getting into a fight is nothing new to them.
While I don't switch often, I've always liked the option. Switch, fly with friends, they log, I switch back. I can see where this hurts a bunch of players, but I can't see where it helps any.
Maybe HTC can step in an give us a reason why they did it.
no, we just on Rooks side since 2 and a half year now, that why this 12 Hour side switch will not affect us. We fly all types of planes, even eny of 30 didn't stops the fun. But i can understand there is a bunch of guys who likes to change for a good battle the sides.
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A fair amount of work here. You must have been pretty motivated. :salute
Nah just thirty minutes before I put my knight rider pajamas on, said my prayers, and went nye nye.
Just a thought here Grizz. While your assessment seems correct, perhaps the reason is very logical. Often in an equation with many variables, the values are set to the extremes to determine the sensitivity of the equation to those variables. Then they can be adjusted with some confidence.
To me it shows a complete lack of understanding of what people want and how to compromise. Was 1 Hour too short? Maybe. They should decide that 1 hour is too short for certain reasons and based off those reasons, adjust the time slightly, maybe making it 3-4 hours. That would be a small, but effective change to compromise to both sides. The war guys would be happy, furballers would gripe still but it at least would be understandable and manageable. Twelve hours though? Give me a break.
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I think the old 1 hour is too short. 12 Might be too long, we'll just have to see.
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Im not saying anything bad about your squads flying Dyran, but fun for your guys is flying for an hour or two for one sorties and rtbin with your your wingman and a kill or two. To these guys who switch for a fight they may have 10 sorties in that same amount of time. If the side they are stuck on only has a horde attacking a single base they are out of luck to find a fight. Sure they could try and start one, but not often do people up to defend, and once they know that these guys are there only for the fight they will leave knowing their base is safe
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lol dont you complain about this everynight, even before the change. here's some picture as proof that "nothing is going on". second picture didnt capture the blinking bases but 4 or 5 of them had a fight going on. so this nothing is going on is bs.
(http://i492.photobucket.com/albums/rr285/semperac/aceshigh2011-07-2000-03-19-04.jpg)
(http://i492.photobucket.com/albums/rr285/semperac/aceshigh2011-07-2000-03-15-46.jpg)
(http://i492.photobucket.com/albums/rr285/semperac/aceshigh2011-07-2000-03-08-62.jpg)
semp
Hmm, looking at your snapshots I believe you validate my point. I said I was bish, your 1st photo shows a bit of action at 201 , but alas the action is "green hordy". The following 2 pictures shows a dead arena for bish, but if I'm patient for another 10.5 hours I might choose the correct country and have something to do. TY for validating my point :salute
JUGgler
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Yes I find it funny when folks fail at discussion and just call anything they diagree with a whine.
Genius!
OMG did I just say that? :huh :headscratch:
JUGgler
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Now that I've had time to think this change over a bit I thought I'd chime in for what it's worth (the answer to that question is precisely a little less than zero :)).
Right off the bat I'll just say that the increased time limit puts a rather large crimp in my style, I enjoyed switching sides once, twice, sometimes three times a night on the longer AH-sessions. There are folks that I like to fly with on all three countries and as people logged on or off, or as the fight moved I like to be more or less free to follow it.
I have to assume that something over time has changed, while HTC makes changes, some of them very dramatic changes I don't for a minute believe that they make knee-jerk or arrive at a decision without thought and debate on the subject, remember the stakes for them are a lot higher than anyone else here.
I'm also aware that not too long ago some OTHER changes were made that I for the most part agreed with. For the record I liked the split arenas, ENY, etc. Then there was also much gnashing of teeth, and I remember what my response was to that contingent of players at the time. It also seems that their posts sound a lot like some of the posts in this thread, so while I don't like it I plan to sit back see how things play out and do my best to find the fun.
OK I'm done rambling (for now). :)
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Just so there is no mistake, some people were stating it was 12 hours game time. It is simple 12 hours real time, doesn't matter if you are playing or not.
HiTech
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Aside from the gnashing of teeth by those who hate the change and the trolling by those who remain unaffected by it... what problem is this change meant to correct? I just ask out of curiosity without any agenda.
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See rule #4
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Just so there is no mistake, some people were stating it was 12 hours game time. It is simple 12 hours real time, doesn't matter if you are playing or not.
HiTech
Does time count more on Feb 29th during leap year? :D
How about if you're on the other side of the International Date Line from the HTC server's clock? Do you need to make up 24 hours, or does it add 24 hours allowing 2 12-hour time delay side-switches instantly?
:P :banana:
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Spys side switchers, while I'm sure this happens I can bet it doesn't happen anywhere near as much as some people think. The real problem is that its an easy scapegoat for said paranoid player sucking at this game.
QFT. I really hope it wasn't an anti-spy measure, or a measure to appear to be doing something about teh spiez, because the only thing it's going to do effectively is shut down people who switch sides for numbers.
Wiley.
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worst idea ever.
This is the AH version of jumping the shark if you are a furballer who switches sides to find a fight
(http://www.destinyland.org/Fonzie%20prepares%20to%20jump%20the%20shark%20on%20Happy%20Days.jpg)
:salute
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Yes I find it funny when folks fail at discussion and just call anything they diagree with a whine.
It is about as effective as the computer tech who went to fix a customers computer. The customer complained the windows ME machine kept getting blue screens. The tech fixed it by changing the color to green.
Funny what you consider a whine. I simply asked if I am truly seeing all these grown men kicking and screaming like 2 years olds over this change. I dont care if HTC has a 12 hour or 12 min timer on switching sides, I could care less as it doesnt effect me as I dont need to dive in to a 50 man circle-jerk furball, I dont need a 5/10/15 ENY plane, and I dont have to have 100's of enemy players to enjoy AH. It isnt the end of the world.
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Re tard ed. There goes my AH career. Now what does he expect us to do when we wanna have a good fight not a freakin vulchfest everywhere? The Many will love it, I however do not.
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Does time count more on Feb 29th during leap year? :D
How about if you're on the other side of the International Date Line from the HTC server's clock? Do you need to make up 24 hours, or does it add 24 hours allowing 2 12-hour time delay side-switches instantly?
:P :banana:
I'm normally not a fan of Krusty's humor but this is pretty funny kudos.
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Strange , it has been 12 hours for more years then the previous setting.
HiTech
Strange as it may be, after reading ALL 13 pages of responses seems to me 95% of the responses are negative. As a business owner myself, if I were to get that kind of a response to my service offered it would be time to reconsider my approach.
Just saying.
<S>
Rokit
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QFT. I really hope it wasn't an anti-spy measure, or a measure to appear to be doing something about teh spiez, because the only thing it's going to do effectively is shut down people who switch sides for numbers.
Wiley.
Spies, are you kidding me? Who cares about spies. I get called a spy all the time. I switch to find a fight or to kill the horde. Even if ppl spy, do u think this will stop them? And also, guess what, there were spies in WW2 and HTC doesn't even have to program anything.
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I'm normally not a fan of Krusty's humor but this is pretty funny kudos.
Krusty's humor? Is there such a thing? :D
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So it has finally come? Aces High's end is here? It's the End of Aces High! Quick, give me all yourz moneyz, er...um...perkz!!!
My first thoughts about this thread after reading all this...
So far I've seen mostly crying, whining and <bleep>ing...
"ENY. Translation: prevents me from flying my fav ride" (Guess what, it does that to me to. The difference, I'm not afraid to fly the A6M2/3 or even the B-25C and Boston III against LW birds. Good perks. :devil).
"There are no fights anywhere" (That can be the BIGGEST load of steamy hockey puck I hear as an excuse. EVERY time I log in, I see some kind of fight going on SOMEWHERE. :rolleyes:)
Few posts that disagree with the change have been worth reading... Most are End of the World crap and threats of some form about quitting and bashing each other and/or HiTech and the game. OH, for those of you who DO quit over this; Bye. Don't let the door hit ya on the way out...
Now, what I think about the change that has happened:
I could give a crap less about it. I didn't before, when it was 1 hour, and don't now. HOWEVER, I am well aware that there are people who like to change countries to meet up with friends, for perks by switching to the low number side, and those who really believe in the balancing of gameplay. As such, I honestly do believe that 12 hours is quite harsh. In fact, 1 hour seemed fine to me.
As bustr roughly put it though, "there are one or more reasons why HiTech made this change. And while we can only speculate on to what these reasons are, in the end it is up to HiTech or one of his crew, to post why it was made.".
Until then, can I gets me a sit down and a bit of that pop corn and a brew here? :)
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I must say that this change really won't affect me personally, since my squadron is one of those that doesn't switch sides much (almost never, grumble rabble rabble)... But this certainly does seem heavy handed. Is the spying really that big of a problem? Doesn't seem to be to me... But then again, I almost never ever ever join the base taking missions that get posted.
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"There are no fights anywhere" (That can be the BIGGEST load of steamy hockey puck I hear as an excuse. EVERY time I log in, I see some kind of fight going on SOMEWHERE. :rolleyes:)
I'm sure what you consider "a fight", I and many others consider a boring EZ mode green horde. Now we are forced to partake in it or log off.
Few posts that disagree with the change have been worth reading... Most are End of the World crap and threats of some form about quitting and bashing each other and/or HiTech and the game. OH, for those of you who DO quit over this; Bye. Don't let the door hit ya on the way out...
Foolish. The numbers have already been on the steady decline for the past year or so now. How will your gaming experience be any better if there are even less players online flying? Or do you actually think the net result of this change will be positive player growth? If so, how?
As bustr roughly put it though, "there are one or more reasons why HiTech made this change. And while we can only speculate on to what these reasons are, in the end it is up to HiTech or one of his crew, to post why it was made.".
Yep, and until he does, I will just have to assume certain things that will get me Rule 4'd if I elaborate upon.
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Funny what you consider a whine. I simply asked if I am truly seeing all these grown men kicking and screaming like 2 years olds over this change. I dont care if HTC has a 12 hour or 12 min timer on switching sides, I could care less as it doesnt effect me as I dont need to dive in to a 50 man circle-jerk furball, I dont need a 5/10/15 ENY plane, and I dont have to have 100's of enemy players to enjoy AH. It isnt the end of the world.
I did not consider it a whine.... but some did. I considered it a discussion.
So your posting in a thread that doesn't affect you. One post should be sufficient. Maybe even one post too many.
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Is this about spiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii iies? If so it is a silly reaction. I seriously doubt spying is that big of an issue, I would think all squads have some folks that "refuse" to go along with such gameplay! With that said I do believe there is a coningent of folks who will scan the map to find a CV then switch to bombzilla it for scoring purposes. I would think these folks are the opportunists and work almost exclusively separate from their squads.
I would be shocked if say the lions share of members of the pigs, rejects, WOT, bops, muppets, etc etc would participate in any thing that had any unfairly conjured intell for their bennefit. I just don't believe the game matters all that much to most, this is why I think the spying is almost always a solitary endeavor. If I'm correct about this then 12 hours is a monumental knee jerk reaction and the issue could be handled much more efficiently by restricting loadouts so the individuals who switched could not take advantage of their voyeristic tendencies.
JUGgler
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I must say that this change really won't affect me personally, since my squadron is one of those that doesn't switch sides much (almost never, grumble rabble rabble)... But this certainly does seem heavy handed. Is the spying really that big of a problem? Doesn't seem to be to me... But then again, I almost never ever ever join the base taking missions that get posted.
Yes it is. You see someone (not naming names, but a few have been really suspicious) log on and an hour later, you see 30 red dots flying over a CV strategically placed in the middle of nowhere.
Or you fly a low NOE mission to a base that hasnt been blinking in hours. No dar bar. and when you get there have 15 uppers waiting on you. Try again, 15 mins later at another airfield and AGAIN more uppers waiting in a CAP from 2K-15K. Its a PITA and I accept this change WITH BIG OPEN ARMS
THANK YOU HITECH
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or you fly a low NOE mission to a base that hasnt been blinking in hours. No dar bar. and when you get there have 15 uppers waiting on you. Try again, 15 mins later at another airfield and AGAIN more uppers waiting in a CAP from 2K-15K. Its a PITA and I accept this change WITH BIG OPEN ARMS
Ah, mmkay... I'm guessing that your main goal is to avoid air combat at all costs then...
Whatever floats your boat, I guess... :rolleyes:
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Ah, mmkay... I'm guessing that your main goal is to avoid air combat at all costs then...
Whatever floats your boat, I guess... :rolleyes:
That's easier to accept rather than admit your missions are not well planned or poorly executed. It must be spies :lol
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If someone finds the strategy in this game engaging, then they are simpletons. HTC started down this road of catering to simpletons long ago. It seemed to be a good decision because the world is mostly simpletons. However, a slippery slope was created and once they started down that slope, it has been difficult to stop. The game has become filled with simpletons. You see, the problem is intrinsic, simpletons like things simple. They don't fight each other and they want things even simpler as time goes on because they need more and more "simple" to get their high. Not only that, but they blame paper tigers such as spies for their failures. The game has changed to cater to the simpletons over and over again. The people that like the more advanced concepts of the game have left or are leaving because there are no fights and the simpletons leave because they are simple and therefore have short attention spans or they move to a simpler game. This is why the game is shrinking.
I apologize ahead of time if the truth hurts some of your feelings.
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Is this about spiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii iies?
JUGgler
I can't think of any other reason for it. Isn't the more or less stated purpose of the delay to prevent people from switching from their 'home', checking stuff out on the other side, then switching back to take advantage?
I just don't get it.
Wiley.
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See rule #4
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Hmm, looking at your snapshots I believe you validate my point. I said I was bish, your 1st photo shows a bit of action at 201 , but alas the action is "green hordy". The following 2 pictures shows a dead arena for bish, but if I'm patient for another 10.5 hours I might choose the correct country and have something to do. TY for validating my point :salute
JUGgler
:rofl :rofl :rofl. I spent all the time fighting with bishops in some pretty cool fights a few of us a few of them. and there was no horde. I am validating your point that you lied about saying there was no fights. just say there were no fights you liked and that's a different story. by the time i logged then the bishops started hording at their normal time. around 2 am pst. but I was too tired and went to sleep.
semp
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I don't suppose a considered option was to make the strategic system intricate enough to prevent a single "spy" from ruining everything?
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I don't suppose a considered option was to make the strategic system intricate enough to prevent a single "spy" from ruining everything?
If you have an idea how to do that... I for one would be very interested to hear about it :)
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I don't suppose a considered option was to make the strategic system intricate enough to prevent a single "spy" from ruining everything?
don't you dare ruining my simplemon fun!
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The problem with making it less simplistic is, people use this to relax. I don't think anybody is capable of logging in daily and playing for a few hours in an environment where everything they do has to be coordinated with their entire side, and timed down to the minute or tighter, with an enforced chain of command. That's a recipe for burnout.
Wiley.
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:rofl :rofl :rofl. I spent all the time fighting with bishops in some pretty cool fights a few of us a few of them. and there was no horde. I am validating your point that you lied about saying there was no fights. just say there were no fights you liked and that's a different story. by the time i logged then the bishops started hording at their normal time. around 2 am pst. but I was too tired and went to sleep.
semp
Maybe you fly in the horde so much you can't tell the difference :lol
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I see a lot of hyperbole in this thread. I enjoyed countless great furballs when the timer was set to 12 hours, and I imagine they'll remain.
In any event, isn't H2H coming soon? That should provide a good venue for reasonably-sized furballs when the LW arena side switch timer proves problematic.
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You call driving 30 110s aand goon to a base "finding a fight"? Looks to me like you just want to horde a base and have little oppostion so you can win t3h warz!
No I didn't... What makes you think I did?
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If you have an idea how to do that... I for one would be very interested to hear about it :)
Stay tuned :)
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Maybe you fly in the horde so much you can't tell the difference :lol
yeah our horde of 4 or 5 players was fighting against their horde of 4 or 5 uppers. I am telling you this horde thing gotta stop.
semp
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Moan
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Moan
LOL, that's what she said.
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reading this thread has given me the most laughs of anything on the bbs other than the cartoons.
DHawk
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I'm sure what you consider "a fight", I and many others consider a boring EZ mode green horde. Now we are forced to partake in it or log off.
Foolish. The numbers have already been on the steady decline for the past year or so now. How will your gaming experience be any better if there are even less players online flying? Or do you actually think the net result of this change will be positive player growth? If so, how?
Yep, and until he does, I will just have to assume certain things that will get me Rule 4'd if I elaborate upon.
And the responce you're looking for to a post like that is?...
A. Yes masta, here is your silver platter just he way you want it.
B. Good ridance, I'm getting tired of all you lazy old-timers that are aparently "great at everything in this game" except at starting your own fights/action, the one thing you guys complain about more than anyhting else and obviously have the least ability or experience with. So just admit you can't hang and stop pissing in everyone else's cherrios (unless you do believe in A - in which case we can't eat our cherrios without your permision anyways).
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reading this thread has given me the most laughs of anything on the bbs other than the cartoons.
DHawk
Im curious what the reimbursables at HTC are gonna look like this week:
-Lawn chairs - x12
-Popcorn - 2tons
-Ice - 20bags
-Beer - 3kegs
-Soda - 24pk
-Stomache pumping - x3
-EMT assistance: hyperventalation assistance - x7
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And the responce you're looking for to a post like that is?...
A. Yes masta, here is your silver platter just he way you want it.
B. Good ridance, I'm getting tired of all you lazy old-timers that are aparently "great at everything in this game" except at starting your own fights/action, the one thing you guys complain about more than anyhting else and obviously have the least ability or experience with. So just admit you can't hang and stop pissing in everyone else's cherrios (unless you do believe in A - in which case we can't eat our cherrios without your permision anyways).
Grizz, leave him alone, he is the commanding officer of the third wing of his megasquad. I'm sure he has a lot of requisitions to sign and stuff...
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And the responce you're looking for to a post like that is?...
A. Yes masta, here is your silver platter just he way you want it.
B. Good ridance, I'm getting tired of all you lazy old-timers that are aparently "great at everything in this game" except at starting your own fights/action, the one thing you guys complain about more than anyhting else and obviously have the least ability or experience with. So just admit you can't hang and stop pissing in everyone else's cherrios (unless you do believe in A - in which case we can't eat our cherrios without your permision anyways).
:rofl
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:rofl
Now Slash we don't know anything about starting fights, unbelieveable :lol That squad duel really left a bitter taste in their mouths :lol I'm still waiting for a Pig to make a point in this thread. :huh
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Grizz, leave him alone, he is the commanding officer of the third wing of his megasquad. I'm sure he has a lot of requisitions to sign and stuff...
Yay the Pigs have been promoted to Megasquad status! :banana:
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Promoted? I thought you were the prototype?
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Yay the Pigs have been promoted to Megasquad status! :banana:
All you need is a pulse and an account and wham-mo, you're a Pig :D
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I don't think that the people who are saying that all of us are "whining" truely understand that it would be equivilent to having a twenty person limit on squads and stopping squads from having more than one wing. Its like only being able to take a base every twelve hours for those of you who enjoy doing so.
It is a genuine issue to us that we would like to see the reasoning about and maybe ammened to suit a good part of the player base.
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Must be chest thumping time :rolleyes: how about a few jersey shore fist pumps now. :D
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Must be chest thumping time :rolleyes: how about a few jersey shore fist pumps now. :D
Chest thumping is something you should understand "Oink" :lol Sorry, but you walked into that one :D
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This change will reduce the effectiveness of ENY at balancing the team sizes. Now when ENY is too high for one to choose their favorite, ride, they can't switch to the lower ENY country (and thus balance the numbers).
Now ENY's only effect is to force players to fly higher ENY aircraft, limiting its effectiveness as a side balancing game mechanism.
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This change will reduce the effectiveness of ENY at balancing the team sizes. Now when ENY is too high for one to choose their favorite, ride, they can't switch to the lower ENY country (and thus balance the numbers).
Now ENY's only effect is to force players to fly higher ENY aircraft, limiting its effectiveness as a side balancing game mechanism.
So your saying your effected if the ENY would do a double swap?
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This change will reduce the effectiveness of ENY at balancing the team sizes. Now when ENY is too high for one to choose their favorite, ride, they can't switch to the lower ENY country (and thus balance the numbers).
Now ENY's only effect is to force players to fly higher ENY aircraft, limiting its effectiveness as a side balancing game mechanism.
Perhaps HTC will change their ratios to take effect a bit quicker? There are MANY arbitrary settings HTC can play with. One has to wonder why they pick a setting and sit on it for years at a time and not adjust every few months.
Anything from scoring, ENY, OBJ hardness, fleet speeds, ack accuracy, etc etc. On and on.
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I've seen people state whether they like the new rules or they don't like it. I've seen people state their reason for their point of view. There seem to be others who's only purpose is to antagonize others. Is this the norm on this BBS? Frankly, I think they are making themselves look foolish. Especially if they have nothing more to contribute to the thread than that.
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All you need is a pulse and an account and wham-mo, you're a Pig :D
Now you've spoken incorrectly. We do have standards. Have not accepted a Muppet yet! ;)
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I've seen people state whether they like the new rules or they don't like it. I've seen people state their reason for their point of view. There seem to be others who's only purpose is to antagonize others. Is this the norm on this BBS? Frankly, I think they are making themselves look foolish. Especially if they have nothing more to contribute to the thread than that.
Simple answer, yes.
98% BS
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Now you've spoken incorrectly. We do have standards. Have not accepted a Muppet yet! ;)
Probably because none have applied ;)
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I've seen people state whether they like the new rules or they don't like it. I've seen people state their reason for their point of view. There seem to be others who's only purpose is to antagonize others. Is this the norm on this BBS? Frankly, I think they are making themselves look foolish. Especially if they have nothing more to contribute to the thread than that.
That's a good statement, but on page 8 you seem to contradict what you posted above. just pointing that out, have a good day :salute
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all im gonna say on the pigs is this...what respect I had for any of you is gone.
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OK, now I'm surprised.... I mean it is a predictable fanatical responce to a sarcastic hypothetical... but I didn't know it would get THAT much under your skins and sting, sting, STING.
I, seriously, think you guys just need to take a step back for one bit. I'm not saying give up your crusade, but take a step back, at least enough to get marching down the right path as you guys are on the wrong one. Every post you proclaim about being unable to repeatabley jump around instantly to the fight that suits your desires/needs best I personaly feel defends HiTechs decision for this change, given other complaints on the environment of the gameplay.
This is a decision one way or the other by the maker of the game. As far as our part is concerened, the decision being made as a result is if you are on the side that conforms to the game and its current environment to reach your goals and reap your profits, or are you on the side that uses the game to create your own goals and reap your profits.
To a hypothetical squad of lone wolves that roam around to the country with the least numbers (which also conveniently nets the highest gain in perks for kills made) looking to feast and gorge itself upon the greatest fight to be found in all of the land, in a hypothetical game environment and community that has as a majority been demanding for months that something be done to increase the amount of fights available across the fronts instead of the norm of "all moths being atracted to the biggest flame", something is going to have to give if any change to address the demands of the community as a whole is to be made.
And now personal attacks? Jabs at my squad? Really? Again, I am surprised but shouldn't be, I should expect nothing less from those that inherited 100% of the teenage members of my "megasquad's" IIIrd Wing and is proud of it. Actually, come to think of it, AoM has soo many exPOTW members that have no sincere hate or hostility twords us, you guys just might as well call yourselves our IV-Wing (ooof, forgot, you'll have to first fight an emotional public tirade with Twitchy over the right to do that first... but since you've already got a doosey of one going here...).
I now return to pointing and laughing with the majority.
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So your saying your effected if the ENY would do a double swap?
Often late at night as the numbers taper off (as the US players log and the Australian/Pacific rim players log on), they don't log off uniformly, so for several hours one side may have numbers and then subsequently, another side will have numbers.
So for example...
1) I log on at time X, I don't know which side is out numbered or where my squaddies are, I switch to the sides at login.
2) As the night goes on, the balance changes, I switch sides again.
Not really what I imagined you were referring to as a double swap, but maybe if one could see the balance/squaddies and select a side upon entering the arena the first time and not have it count to the clock, the 'double swap' issue could be avoided.
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Now Slash we don't know anything about starting fights, unbelieveable :lol That squad duel really left a bitter taste in their mouths :lol I'm still waiting for a Pig to make a point in this thread. :huh
So you're admitting to having no problem picking and choosing where and when you can or want to have a fight that suits your aparently long list of specific needs and qualifications?!
:rofl :rofl :rofl
So what is the problem you guys have with this change and the purpose of this rapidly growing thread?
:lol :rofl :lol :rofl
Someone call a shrink! Preferabley Bip's!
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All you need is a pulse and an account and wham-mo, you're a Pig :D
Ouch, you do realise you're now jsut insulting over most your own squad now, right? :rofl :lol :rofl :lol
Now you've spoken incorrectly. We do have standards. Have not accepted a Muppet yet! ;)
Zing!
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So your saying your effected if the ENY would do a double swap?
OK, where's that link again? I really do owe you a bottle now good sir.
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Haven't played AH in a while but it sounds to me like the 12 hour wait period is pretty lame. When I was playing, I loved switching sides to find the fights and even the numbers. Seems like HTC isn't really supporting the "promote the combat" idea by doing this change. In my opinion, there should be a very short wait period for side switching, like every 20-30 minutes or so. At least in this way, people can switch sides (to even the teams/fights) as the arena numbers fluctuate over the hours.
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So your saying your effected if the ENY would do a double swap?
HT can you elaborate on the meaning here? i'm confused with double swap?
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So you're admitting to having no problem picking and choosing where and when you can or want to have a fight that suits your aparently long list of specific needs and qualifications?!
Where was this list posted? And what is the "profitability" you refered to we are to gain by switching?
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OK, now I'm surprised.... I mean it is a predictable fanatical responce to a sarcastic hypothetical... but I didn't know it would get THAT much under your skins and sting, sting, STING.
I, seriously, think you guys just need to take a step back for one bit. I'm not saying give up your crusade, but take a step back, at least enough to get marching down the right path as you guys are on the wrong one. Every post you proclaim about being unable to repeatabley jump around instantly to the fight that suits your desires/needs best I personaly feel defends HiTechs decision for this change, given other complaints on the environment of the gameplay.
This is a decision one way or the other by the maker of the game. As far as our part is concerened, the decision being made as a result is if you are on the side that conforms to the game and its current environment to reach your goals and reap your profits, or are you on the side that uses the game to create your own goals and reap your profits.
To a hypothetical squad of lone wolves that roam around to the country with the least numbers (which also conveniently nets the highest gain in perks for kills made) looking to feast and gorge itself upon the greatest fight to be found in all of the land, in a hypothetical game environment and community that has as a majority been demanding for months that something be done to increase the amount of fights available across the fronts instead of the norm of "all moths being atracted to the biggest flame", something is going to have to give if any change to address the demands of the community as a whole is to be made.
And now personal attacks? Jabs at my squad? Really? Again, I am surprised but shouldn't be, I should expect nothing less from those that inherited 100% of the teenage members of my "megasquad's" IIIrd Wing and is proud of it. Actually, come to think of it, AoM has soo many exPOTW members that have no sincere hate or hostility twords us, you guys just might as well call yourselves our IV-Wing (ooof, forgot, you'll have to first fight an emotional public tirade with Twitchy over the right to do that first... but since you've already got a doosey of one going here...).
I now return to pointing and laughing with the majority.
As one who switched for the fight or to even the numbers, your mention of perk points for kills shoots down your argument with me. Don't use perks. Couldn't tell you how many I have after all this time. Don't care.
There was no fight on our "front' last night. I was bored to tears and logged off since I'd moved to where my squad mates were flying. I have no interest in bombing things. Ironically I got called out for being at the only enemy field with a dar bar as part of the horde, and was informed that respect for my squad had been lost, etc.
I'd have happily been over with the complainer fighting that same horde. Instead I was left to do slow rolls through the ack. We tried to get a fight going elsewhere without success despite saying we were going to be at a certain spot looking for a fight. I ended up augering for lack of combat and logged off.
I'm hard pressed to believe that there was something going on in the game so serious as to totally remove the ability to bounce when the fight disappears.
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HT can you elaborate on the meaning here? i'm confused with double swap?
Bar, look at my post above, I believe he is referring to the ENY favor changing twice within a play session.
This discounts the fact that one might change sides to fly with squaddies initially upon logging in then change when ENY changes once. ie no double swap of ENY, just one change in ENY.
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Bar, look at my post above, I believe he is referring to the ENY favor changing twice within a play session.
This discounts the fact that one might change sides to fly with squaddies initially upon logging in then change when ENY changes once. ie no double swap of ENY, just one change in ENY.
thank you. <S>
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As one who switched for the fight or to even the numbers, your mention of perk points for kills shoots down your argument with me. Don't use perks. Couldn't tell you how many I have after all this time. Don't care.
There was no fight on our "front' last night. I was bored to tears and logged off since I'd moved to where my squad mates were flying. I have no interest in bombing things. Ironically I got called out for being at the only enemy field with a dar bar as part of the horde, and was informed that respect for my squad had been lost, etc.
I'd have happily been over with the complainer fighting that same horde. Instead I was left to do slow rolls through the ack. We tried to get a fight going elsewhere without success despite saying we were going to be at a certain spot looking for a fight. I ended up augering for lack of combat and logged off.
I'm hard pressed to believe that there was something going on in the game so serious as to totally remove the ability to bounce when the fight disappears.
Quit your crying, grab some bombs, and go take that base!! You want to have fun?!?! Tough!! Get on board for the big win boy or get to stepping. The time for you dinosaurs is over, it's the dawn of a new age.
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On the serious side and for the sake of good discussion noone has really touched on the real issue. HTC has changed the country switch time limit from 1 hour to 12 hours because of something that is having an impact on the game. What exactly that is...only HTC knows at this point. Are they trying to curb a player behavior that is detrimental to the game, or are they trying to encourage a positive behavior that is good for the game? :headscratch:
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It seems simple enough to me. If they change the game for the worst, go find another game. Im sure IL2 or warbirds would love some new customers.
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It seems simple enough to me. If they change the game for the worst, go find another game. Im sure IL2 or warbirds would love some new customers.
someone needs a lil bit more patience... yeah you may not like 12 hours now but you don't think HTC may change it to a lower time limit soon once they get ideas on what the 12 hours is doing wrong IF it's doing something wrong? patience suns <S>
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As one who switched for the fight or to even the numbers, your mention of perk points for kills shoots down your argument with me. Don't use perks. Couldn't tell you how many I have after all this time. Don't care.
There was no fight on our "front' last night. I was bored to tears and logged off since I'd moved to where my squad mates were flying. I have no interest in bombing things. Ironically I got called out for being at the only enemy field with a dar bar as part of the horde, and was informed that respect for my squad had been lost, etc.
I'd have happily been over with the complainer fighting that same horde. Instead I was left to do slow rolls through the ack. We tried to get a fight going elsewhere without success despite saying we were going to be at a certain spot looking for a fight. I ended up augering for lack of combat and logged off.
I'm hard pressed to believe that there was something going on in the game so serious as to totally remove the ability to bounce when the fight disappears.
Dan i understand I'm the same as you i don't fly perked planes either except when i want to give someone my 262 perks ( that's another story), i don't really know what reasoning there is behind this, again that's for Hi tech to set straight, maybe they seen something on the game logs to warrant it ( can they review gameplay?) it's just all speculation till he gives us his reasoning, not that we are entitled to one but never the less some word would be nice.
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As an example, maybe HTC should increase the dar ring size again, because we know that didn't bother the "win the warz" types at all. As a fighter guy I loved it. Made it VERY easy to see where the enemy was and all I had to do was catch them. :D
I don't know "why" HTC did this change, but I've always said that the "leaders" in this game better help police the crap that is going on or HTC will "fix" the issues their way. This is another example of a problem that may have been solvable by squad leaders (if it was spying crap) policing their own squads instead of letting it get out of hand.
I think HTC might get a better response to what they are trying to do if they explain "what" it is they are trying to do instead of just slapping everyone with a new rule/condition.
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I for one like the rule....
For the old Airwarrior types this isn't anything new. In AW the lockin time was a lot longer and if you was in a Sqdn.... only the sqdn. Co. was able to switch sides for the Sqdn.You as a Sqdn member wasn't able to switch sides at all. :O own your own. :huh
Cavalry
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someone needs a lil bit more patience... yeah you may not like 12 hours now but you don't think HTC may change it to a lower time limit soon once they get ideas on what the 12 hours is doing wrong IF it's doing something wrong? patience suns <S>
HTC, what was the rational behind the change?
Thank you
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Why not start at a two hour delay and see how that goes? :headscratch: One hour was perfectly reasonable but two wouldn't be unreasonable.
Twelve hours? Did Hitech's noe mission get spotted again? :neener:
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HTC, what was the rational behind the change?
Thank you
The rational for changing it to 1 hour when we went to 2 arenas was because the 2 arena format caused an almost constant imbalance between countries and the need arose to be able to change countries when you changed arenas. Now that we are back to one 1 arena , we have gone back to 12 hours, it was only an oversight that it was not done at the same time we changed to 1 arena.
HiTech
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As an example, maybe HTC should increase the dar ring size again, because we know that didn't bother the "win the warz" types at all. As a fighter guy I loved it. Made it VERY easy to see where the enemy was and all I had to do was catch them. :D
Right now, there are only two changes in settings which could make me stomp my feet, hold my breath and threatening to cancel my account: The return of the old caps system and the increased dar circles. :uhoh :bolt:
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The rational for changing it to 1 hour when we went to 2 arenas was because the 2 arena format caused an almost constant imbalance between countries and the need arose to be able to change countries when you changed arenas. Now that we are back to one 1 arena , we have gone back to 12 hours, it was only an oversight that it was not done at the same time we changed to 1 arena.
HiTech
Any plans then to bring back local ENY?
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Quit your crying, grab some bombs, and go take that base!! You want to have fun?!?! Tough!! Get on board for the big win boy or get to stepping. The time for you dinosaurs is over, it's the dawn of a new age.
Now Slash we don't know anything about starting fights, unbelieveable :lol That squad duel really left a bitter taste in their mouths :lol I'm still waiting for a Pig to make a point in this thread. :huh
Just saying, you know darn-well there are a dozen other ways to start a fight in this game than what you've spouted out. Real shame too you quoted that post and took it so far outa context, Guppy was finally going somewhere with this thread too, after the first 17 pages of you muppets just watering HTC's landscape with your tears.
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It seems simple enough to me. If they change the game for the worst, go find another game. Im sure IL2 or warbirds would love some new customers.
or real life. I just got a new 870 12 gauge....anyone wanna come over and shoot some toejam?
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Any plans then to bring back local ENY?
I did not know we ever had local eny...
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I did not know we ever had local eny...
Oh I stand corrected, I though back in late '08 we had local ENY based on the zone area. or was that just for rebuild times?
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On the serious side and for the sake of good discussion noone has really touched on the real issue. HTC has changed the country switch time limit from 1 hour to 12 hours because of something that is having an impact on the game. What exactly that is...only HTC knows at this point. Are they trying to curb a player behavior that is detrimental to the game, or are they trying to encourage a positive behavior that is good for the game? :headscratch:
HUSH WAYSTIN!!!! We're nothing but the degenerate COs of elements of a single "megasquad" of miscreants and undesireables! :noid
Everyone saw nothing! We are here only to incite and troll and drag down this community as we take an opinionated stand against it's enlightened grand-pubas, carry on!
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Oh I stand corrected, I though back in late '08 we had local ENY based on the zone area. or was that just for rebuild times?
Zone was just for factories and supply routes
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Zone was just for factories and supply routes
oh :( ok... poor memory then I guess.
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The rational for changing it to 1 hour when we went to 2 arenas was because the 2 arena format caused an almost constant imbalance between countries and the need arose to be able to change countries when you changed arenas. Now that we are back to one 1 arena , we have gone back to 12 hours, it was only an oversight that it was not done at the same time we changed to 1 arena.
HiTech
Appreciate the reply HiTech. In your vision of the game is your wish for there to be 'loyalty' to a chess piece in the hopes of keeping numbers balanced?
edited to correct lousy spelling on my part :)
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it's enlightened grand-pubas
easy son there is only 1 undisputed grand puba. As for Waystin...tell him a " trip to the garage " is necessary to ponder this issue.
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easy son there is only 1 undisputed grand puba. As for Waystin...tell him a " trip to the garage " is necessary to ponder this issue.
Who says me and him haven't been there with our lawn chairs for... *checks the start time of this thread*... 25.5 hours now. :D
And to any muppets taking this personaly, as I'm starting to too with the low blows, easy. I have nothing against any of you guys except with this issue that I think you've been blowing irrationaly out of proportion, especialy if you're trying to constructively get something done about it.
Obviously it's not reverting, it's here for a reason. However, I have also not seen anyone wholeheartedly defend the decision either, so there is a desire within the community that you are sided with about something else being done about the core issue. I'm sure there is some middleground to be gained on this issue, however it will never be a number between 1 and 12, and we can assume it will require in practice either one or zero side changes per day as would be desired by the maker of the game.
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It seems simple enough to me. If they change the game for the worst, go find another game. Im sure IL2 or warbirds would love some new customers.
Folks, it's not like you're imprisoned in the Late War arena. We have at least four 24/7 arenas besides LW that would love to see more players, and that have much shorter side-change times (and in at least one case, no limit at all). Move yourself, move your squadrons to one (or more) of the alternates.
- oldman (What's that, you only fly late war planes? How sad.)
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Appreciate the reply HiTech. In your vision of the game is your wish for there to be 'loyalty' to a chess piece in the hopes of keeping numbers balanced?
edited to correct lousy spelling on my part :)
You need to ask Ardy to ask him like Bar did. He is only answering Ardy right now.
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Appreciate the reply HiTech. In your vision of the game is your wish for there to be 'loyalty' to a chess piece in the hopes of keeping numbers balanced?
I don't think it's meant to enforce loyalty so much as to avoid rapid fluctuations in numbers from one side to the next. Folks can still change countries every day, but it should prevent wild swings in numbers from one side to the next over a several hour period. If anything, you can expect that if you switch to the side with lower numbers for night, it'll probably remain the side with lower numbers for the rest of the evening. In the very least, it probably won't become the side with overwhelming numbers within 30 minutes as everyone switches for low-cost perk rides and/or to balance things out.
If anything, that kind of stability might lead to better furballs in a large arena over the course of an evening.
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I don't think it's meant to enforce loyalty so much as to avoid rapid fluctuations in numbers from one side to the next. Folks can still change countries every day, but it should prevent wild swings in numbers from one side to the next over a several hour period. If anything, you can expect that if you switch to the side with lower numbers for night, it'll probably remain the side with lower numbers for the rest of the evening. In the very least, it probably won't become the side with overwhelming numbers within 30 minutes as everyone switches for low-cost perk rides and/or to balance things out.
If anything, that kind of stability might lead to better furballs in a large arena over the course of an evening.
I wonder if there is a way to have it work similar to the way the late night single arena popped in when we had the two arena set up? A lot of the guys questioning it seem to fly late night like I can only manage. Maybe limit the side 12 hour side switch bit to prime time and allow for 1 hour switching after a certain point in the night or the arena number drops to a certain point, in particular with larger maps.
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That's a good statement, but on page 8 you seem to contradict what you posted above. just pointing that out, have a good day :salute
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(which also conveniently nets the highest gain in perks for kills made)
A little too conveniently if you ask me :noid
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So you're admitting to having no problem picking and choosing where and when you can or want to have a fight that suits your aparently long list of specific needs and qualifications?!
:rofl :rofl :rofl
So what is the problem you guys have with this change and the purpose of this rapidly growing thread?
:lol :rofl :lol :rofl
Someone call a shrink! Preferabley Bip's!
I say we use your shrink, but he apparently hasn't help you. :lol
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I assumed you were being humorous in your statement, thus my response. I had no idea you were being serious. Apparently I was wrong. My statement still stands.
Bear that wasn't directed at you, i that was in responce to Fujitas posts he posted earlier. Banter is Banter so i don't take it seriously unless I'm personally attacked. i'm sure other people feel the same.
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OK, now I'm surprised.... I mean it is a predictable fanatical responce to a sarcastic hypothetical... but I didn't know it would get THAT much under your skins and sting, sting, STING.
I, seriously, think you guys just need to take a step back for one bit. I'm not saying give up your crusade, but take a step back, at least enough to get marching down the right path as you guys are on the wrong one. Every post you proclaim about being unable to repeatabley jump around instantly to the fight that suits your desires/needs best I personaly feel defends HiTechs decision for this change, given other complaints on the environment of the gameplay.
This is a decision one way or the other by the maker of the game. As far as our part is concerened, the decision being made as a result is if you are on the side that conforms to the game and its current environment to reach your goals and reap your profits, or are you on the side that uses the game to create your own goals and reap your profits.
To a hypothetical squad of lone wolves that roam around to the country with the least numbers (which also conveniently nets the highest gain in perks for kills made) looking to feast and gorge itself upon the greatest fight to be found in all of the land, in a hypothetical game environment and community that has as a majority been demanding for months that something be done to increase the amount of fights available across the fronts instead of the norm of "all moths being atracted to the biggest flame", something is going to have to give if any change to address the demands of the community as a whole is to be made.
And now personal attacks? Jabs at my squad? Really? Again, I am surprised but shouldn't be, I should expect nothing less from those that inherited 100% of the teenage members of my "megasquad's" IIIrd Wing and is proud of it. Actually, come to think of it, AoM has soo many exPOTW members that have no sincere hate or hostility twords us, you guys just might as well call yourselves our IV-Wing (ooof, forgot, you'll have to first fight an emotional public tirade with Twitchy over the right to do that first... but since you've already got a doosey of one going here...).
I now return to pointing and laughing with the majority.
Ah the ex-Pigs, now I understand your reactions. You will never get under our skins :D This is a game, no one hates anyone, but it is a hoot watching you guys try :lol
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You need to ask Ardy to ask him like Bar did. He is only answering Ardy right now.
if you think that then you should reread the conversation a bit. i asked for a clearing up of a statement said, got it, then all i said was for suns to have patience. ardy was the only one who fowardly asked HT why the change unlike the last 17 pages before the post <S>
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So what is the problem you guys have with this change and the purpose of this rapidly growing thread?
What perturbs me is the nature of how drastic the change is. A 1200% increase in the time in which you cannot switch sides for. A 1200% increase in any setting is excessively large. And that is all the more I'm going to say on the subject matter before Hitech turns me into a powdery dust and blows my ashes off the Cliffs of Moher.
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Bear that wasn't directed at you, i that was in responce to Fujitas posts he posted earlier. Banter is Banter so i don't take it seriously unless I'm personally attacked. i'm sure other people feel the same.
It really is futile to try to get under or skins. Babs put a lot of effort in and I commend him for trying, but it just doesn't work. Our hides are much too thick :lol
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HTC,
Are you planning to introduce a new game mechanic to encourage balanced sided now that switching has been greatly limited?
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HTC,
Are you planning to introduce a new game mechanic to encourage balanced sided now that switching has been greatly limited?
Yeah, choose your 1 side switch per night carefully. :t
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Yeah, choose your 1 side switch per night carefully. :t
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THIS.
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Yeah, choose your 1 side switch per night carefully. :t
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Bear... you're the most special Muppet that will always have a most special place within my heart. :banana: :cheers: (<- tounge in cheek)
Bar, careful, don't get dragged in (<- seriously) or next they'll pull their weight around here to get HTC to yank the M-18 off "the list" (<- joke). :D :aok :bolt:
What perturbs me is the nature of how drastic the change is. A 1200% increase in the time in which you cannot switch sides for. A 1200% increase in any setting is excessively large. And that is all the more I'm going to say on the subject matter before Hitech turns me into a powdery dust and blows my ashes off the Cliffs of Moher.
Now, that I agree, it is drastic and nobody will argue 1200% is anything but heavy-handed. But most do not see it as a gameplay-crippling impedement (and the fact it is for you and your squad is of great amusement to many), most are glad HTC is just trying something different (and if we go look at the vast majority of you and other member's in your squad's post history, so should you... but instead it's to the contrary and again to many people's amusement). The question I have is the same as yours in that respect: why. There has to be more logic/reason behind it than simpley "it's an old standard we've overlooked the last few months", although the reasoning for why it was introduced way back then could be the same for why it is being done exactly the same way now.
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the very first thing I do when I log on is look at the map and look for the biggest red dar from there I proceed to switch to the country that is being hoarded and roll from a base near where they are upping from...the nme that is...and have a blast fighting the hoard....if the tide changes which it does often I switch back and will be fighting along side the guys that were just red.....
I can no longer do this.....yet I have been doing that since I started and what I find fun.
its not a whine as some of you guys are trying to say.....it is a fact that I have to deal with, and I am stating my opinion of it.
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The rational for changing it to 1 hour when we went to 2 arenas was because the 2 arena format caused an almost constant imbalance between countries and the need arose to be able to change countries when you changed arenas. Now that we are back to one 1 arena , we have gone back to 12 hours, it was only an oversight that it was not done at the same time we changed to 1 arena.
HiTech
So have you seen any improvement in side balancing in the MA yet? What about for those people who like to switch sides to even the fights out as the arena numbers fluctuate throughout the day? Now they can't really do that anymore. Essentially they can only switch sides once in one evening. The odds of finding an even fight are probably more slim now.
Good fights = better gameplay
No fights = bad gameplay
It's your sandbox.
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Bar, careful, don't get dragged in (<- seriously) or next they'll pull their weight around here to get HTC to yank the M-18 off "the list" (<- joke). :D :aok :bolt:
:confused: :cry :bolt: :ahand
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Bear... you're the most special Muppet that will always have a most special place within my heart. :banana: :cheers: (<- tounge in cheek)
Bar, careful, don't get dragged in (<- seriously) or next they'll pull their weight around here to get HTC to yank the M-18 off "the list" (<- joke). :D :aok :bolt:
Now, that I agree, it is drastic and nobody will argue 1200% is anything but heavy-handed. But most do not see it as a gameplay-crippling impedement (and the fact it is for you and your squad is of great amusement to many), most are glad HTC is just trying something different (and if we go look at the vast majority of you and other member's in your squad's post history, so should you... but instead it's to the contrary and again to many people's amusement). The question I have is the same as yours in that respect: why. There has to be more logic/reason behind it than simpley "it's an old standard we've overlooked the last few months", although the reasoning for why it was introduced way back then could be the same for why it is being done exactly the same way now.
Are you related to a guy named Storch by any chance?
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After 20 pages we have the true reason of the change...
Just Cause it was that way before.. :aok
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it is a fact that I have to deal with, and I am stating my opinion of it.
That's not allowed. The change didn't effect POTW so shut your Muppet crybaby mouth.
Nothing personal :aok
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Ok Babs, a few asprin now and please move the umbrella a tad to the right. I fell asleep a few pages back.
HiTech,
The one hour limit makes sense now in light of the two LWMA arena explanation. Thank you for responding on that.
How was the 12 hour limit found to be the solution for a single arena based on your experience? What was it accomplishing in the past that a lesser amount of time wasn't? It must produce a result you value. With the return to a single arena you have kept that time over other choices. It would seem the real argument then is your reason for 12 hours based on experience is at odds to the emmidiate emotional desires of a small but, loudly vocal faction of the player base.
On the other hand you may want to ignor my question. I suspect if you answer, it will generate some loud and unhappy cape watering forays at your Bastille.
Ahh, Paris 1789...very loud and vocal mobs running amok. Times change, mobs don't.
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Ok Babs, a few asprin now and please move the umbrella a tad to the right. I fell asleep a few pages back.
HiTech,
The one hour limit makes sense now in light of the two LWMA arena explanation. Thank you for responding on that.
How was the 12 hour limit found to be the solution for a single arena based on your experience? What was it accomplishing in the past that a lesser amount of time wasn't? It must produce a result you value. With the return to a single arena you have kept that time over other choices. It would seem the real argument then is your reason for 12 hours based on experience is at odds to the emmidiate emotional desires of a small but, loudly vocal faction of the player base.
On the other hand you may want to ignor my question. I suspect if you answer, it will generate some loud and unhappy cape watering forays at your Bastille.
Ahh, Paris 1789...very loud and vocal mobs running amok. Times change, mobs don't.
Well Hitech responded let them eat cake.
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Its not that bad. You can still change country's. Just pick carefully for the day. When you cant find a fight, then make one.
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Well, this is a most interesting thread. Put me in the camp that really doesn't care one way or the other, but I can also see where some people might be affected by the change. Is it a drastic change? For some people I am sure it is (obviously the muppets think that it is). I think Grizz makes a valid point, however, that it appears from a game players point of view that sometimes it seems like the changes are capricious and seem to be rather drastic. I am not saying they are capricious, because I am sure that there is logic behind them, but to people such as us that play the game it can appear that way when we do not understand that rationale. I would personally appreciate, as a paying customer, an explanation as to why Hi Tech views the twelve hour change as beneficial to the game. I understand that it was this way prior to the two arena switch (although I was not around at the time) and that Hi Tech is simply adjusting back to the way it was before. But, I can't help wondering why it was that way before and how this change now is beneficial from Hi Tech's point of view. I suppose that even if we get an answer that there will be many on here who find fault with it, so I am not exactly expecting an explanation, but it would be nice.
However, my interest is more that I would hate for a large change to drive some of the more experienced players from the game. While the small squad I belong too (JG77 Herz-As) barely makes a dent in the game at all, we do seek to improve and get better. We would prefer that the better pilots and squads stay active in the game so that we can put our (inferior for now) skills to the test from time to time and be constantly challenged to get better. I think it would be nice if we as a community received explanations for large changes so we could at least understand why they are implemented even if we do not like them.
I do not say this as a demand, but as a request. Certainly this game is Hi Tech's, et al, so it is clearly up to them what they choose to relay, but it would be nice. It would also be nice if the players could respond in mature fashion and allow the changes a chance to succeed or fail prior to making judgements. I can see that there are strong feelings on this, but surely Hi-Tech will do what is right if this change appears not to work as intended. Or, if it does, then we shall all be better for it I would think (hope).
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Well Hitech responded let them eat cake.
Sukov, we both know Jean-Jacques Rousseau wrote "let them eat cake" in his autobiograpy named "Confessions" in 1765, when Marie Antoinette was only 9. She was still in Austria and France was far from the revolution.
The context of Rousseau's account was his desire for bread, to accompany some wine he had stolen; however, in feeling he was too elegantly dressed to go into an ordinary bakery, he thus recollected the words of a "great princess":
Rousseau - Finally I recalled the stopgap solution of a great princess who was told that the peasants had no bread, and who responded: "Let them eat brioche."
"Let them eat cake" is the traditional translation of the French phrase "Qu'ils mangent de la brioche". Since brioche was enriched, as opposed to normal bread, the quote supposedly would reflect the princess's obliviousness to the condition of the people.
Sukov, Marie Antoinette asked god to forgive her murderers while they manipulated her son to accuse her of a crime against nature to justify beheading her. Much like mobs through out history. They only cared about what they wanted at that moment.
Well Sukov I guess we have to return control of our telvision channel to the mob howling for HiTech's head......
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OK I've been doing some thinking on how to help all those involved, pardon my fast paint shop example picture...
Hi tech is it possible to code this into the Arena Selection Clipboard, i feel it would greatly improve the current situation. When you get to the Arena Selection Menu can it be possible for a person to highlight the Arena they want to enter and get the country status for that Arena,( like you do in game by right clicking the clipboard map) That way you can go to the country with the lowest numbers if that's how you play, and you would still have your 1 country switch left, as it is now when you log into the Arena your already in the country you were in the previous time you played, if the country you log into is overpopulated then you have to use your 1 switch right away, then yea it seems a bit harse for those who help balance sides.
My idea just gives the side balancing people a choice before they get into the LW MA just right-click and highlight the country on the Left side to enter the Arena for that Country... Here's the Pic sorry for the poor interface but i think you get what I'm meaning :salute.... For the people who fly for the same country all the time this interface would mean nothing or affect their game play.
(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s35/68zoom/A.jpg)
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Sukov, we both know Jean-Jacques Rousseau wrote "let them eat cake" in his autobiograpy named "Confessions" in 1765, when Marie Antoinette was only 9. She was still in Austria and France was far from the revolution.
The context of Rousseau's account was his desire for bread, to accompany some wine he had stolen; however, in feeling he was too elegantly dressed to go into an ordinary bakery, he thus recollected the words of a "great princess":
Rousseau - Finally I recalled the stopgap solution of a great princess who was told that the peasants had no bread, and who responded: "Let them eat brioche."
"Let them eat cake" is the traditional translation of the French phrase "Qu'ils mangent de la brioche". Since brioche was enriched, as opposed to normal bread, the quote supposedly would reflect the princess's obliviousness to the condition of the people.
Sukov, Marie Antoinette asked god to forgive her murderers while they manipulated her son to accuse her of a crime against nature to justify beheading her. Much like mobs through out history. They only cared about what they wanted at that moment.
Well Sukov I guess we have to return control of our television channel to the mob howling for HiTech's head......
Yeah most likely never said by her. Sad really, she was used throughout her time as a scapegoat for the mob. Always thought the "let them eat cake" quote was very funny.
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Actually, come to think of it, AoM has soo many exPOTW members that have no sincere hate or hostility twords us,
I whole heartedly disagree with this statement. I am exPOTW and I hate the living toejam out of all of you. In fact I hate everyone in this game now ..... :rock
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I whole heartedly disagree with this statement. I am exPOTW and I hate the living toejam out of all of you. In fact I hate everyone in this game now ..... :rock
I'd suggest one size up on the leather Lederhosen then. Must be too tight :)
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I won't be country loyal, but I will be anti horde loyal.
Don't see how it will be any decision other than staying knit or going rook.
Either way I am coming at bishes to make em do my dishes.
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Day 2, logged on for 1 hour 15 minutes, 1 single fight just one, could not switch to find another!
JUGgler
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Day 2, logged on for 1 hour 15 minutes, 1 single fight just one, could not switch to find another!
JUGgler
I really think that late night is going to be the biggest issue. Seems like if the numbers drop to a certain point, that the switch time should drop, in particular on larger maps. Way too easy to avoid a fight then.
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OK I've been doing some thinking on how to help all those involved, pardon my fast paint shop example picture...
Hi tech is it possible to code this into the Arena Selection Clipboard, i feel it would greatly improve the current situation. When you get to the Arena Selection Menu can it be possible for a person to highlight the Arena they want to enter and get the country status for that Arena,( like you do in game by right clicking the clipboard map) That way you can go to the country with the lowest numbers if that's how you play, and you would still have your 1 country switch left, as it is now when you log into the Arena your already in the country you were in the previous time you played, if the country you log into is overpopulated then you have to use your 1 switch right away, then yea it seems a bit harse for those who help balance sides.
My idea just gives the side balancing people a choice before they get into the LW MA just right-click and highlight the country on the Left side to enter the Arena for that Country... Here's the Pic sorry for the poor interface but i think you get what I'm meaning :salute.... For the people who fly for the same country all the time this interface would mean nothing or affect their game play.
(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s35/68zoom/A.jpg)
Well thought out idea :salute
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OK I've been doing some thinking on how to help all those involved, pardon my fast paint shop example picture...
Hi tech is it possible to code this into the Arena Selection Clipboard, i feel it would greatly improve the current situation. When you get to the Arena Selection Menu can it be possible for a person to highlight the Arena they want to enter and get the country status for that Arena,( like you do in game by right clicking the clipboard map) That way you can go to the country with the lowest numbers if that's how you play, and you would still have your 1 country switch left, as it is now when you log into the Arena your already in the country you were in the previous time you played, if the country you log into is overpopulated then you have to use your 1 switch right away, then yea it seems a bit harse for those who help balance sides.
My idea just gives the side balancing people a choice before they get into the LW MA just right-click and highlight the country on the Left side to enter the Arena for that Country... Here's the Pic sorry for the poor interface but i think you get what I'm meaning :salute.... For the people who fly for the same country all the time this interface would mean nothing or affect their game play.
(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s35/68zoom/A.jpg)
I dig it :salute
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I really think that late night is going to be the biggest issue. Seems like if the numbers drop to a certain point, that the switch time should drop, in particular on larger maps. Way too easy to avoid a fight then.
gunna screw the pooch for us Aussies when numbers are low and the few people on are sneaking around avoiding combat. If Steely, Tongs and Forkit aren't on we don't have much to fight.
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gunna screw the pooch for us Aussies when numbers are low and the few people on are sneaking around avoiding combat. If Steely, Tongs and Forkit aren't on we don't have much to fight.
:aok :aok very true.. hey don't forget me
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I blame skyryder
:D
HL
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See rule #4
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For rule #4 quote
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HiTech,
Why was 12 hours chosen initially?
Thank you
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he had a dream...
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In Paris the mobs kept killing women, children, priests, freinds, relatives, royalty, most of the original leaders and each other for 4 long years. They wiped out 7000 alone in Lyon for not recanting the catholic church. Napoleon was a wave of virtuous sanity compaired to them. I almost thought Grizz held that role in this passion play. But, I am too late mistaken. Now I see his uncanny resemblence to Robespierre and the Committee of Public Safety. Who relyed upon stirring up the mobs to perform much of the hands on social reengineering while they loosely steered the state behind them. Wonder who on the Committee shane is??
So why does this audience believe being a mob crying for HiTech's head will succeed in gaining what you want?
Not one of you knows spot on why HiTech uses 12 hours versus any other time period. If you want a substinative public discussion about his choice of 12 hours. Or at the least the correct starting point for your howling mob. Find out the purpose of 12 hours before insisting you know how to renovate his program for him. Maybe HiTech is Bonapart.....he does hold the position of supreme dictator over Aces High now that I think of it.
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This thread is full of disrespect, rudeness, and immaturity.
There is a much better way to convey your ideas and thought, and even your dislikes, than to sling mud, accuse, and otherwise make an bellybutton out of yourselves. Some of you seriously need to re-think your delivery when your post in these forums. Show some respect for yourselves and others.
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In Paris the mobs kept killing women, children, priests, freinds, relatives, royalty, most of the original leaders and each other for 4 long years. They wiped out 7000 alone in Lyon for not recanting the catholic church. Napoleon was a wave of virtuous sanity compaired to them. I almost thought Grizz held that role in this passion play. But, I am too late mistaken. Now I see his uncanny resemblence to Robespierre and the Committee of Public Safety. Who relyed upon stirring up the mobs to perform much of the hands on social reengineering while they loosely steered the state behind them. Wonder who on the Committee shane is??
So why does this audience believe being a mob crying for HiTech's head will succeed in gaining what you want?
Not one of you knows spot on why HiTech uses 12 hours versus any other time period. If you want a substinative public discussion about his choice of 12 hours. Or at the least the correct starting point for your howling mob. Find out the purpose of 12 hours before insisting you know how to renovate his program for him. Maybe HiTech is Bonapart.....he does hold the position of supreme dictator over Aces High now that I think of it.
#1 - I pay 14.95 per month and have done so for 5 years.
#2 - #1 makes me something called a "customer".
#3 - #1 and #2 gives me the "right" to tell HTC what I think about "his" product.
#4 - Without others like me who continue to pay..(and I might add that 14.95 x 12 months = $179.40 per year.) for the most expensive online game "I" have ever paid for, HTC would be workin as a line cook at some slimey mexican restaurant.
#5 - I can buy an EA game for 50 bucks and play for free as long as i want...hummmm....
#6 - If I am going to pay $180 dollars per year I expect something worth my money. Not some jacked up ameture game.
#7 - If I say "off with HiTech's head" then so be it....I AM THE CUSTOMER
#8 - I dont care one dam bit what HiTech thinks.
#9 - I do care about what I spend my money on.
#10 I AM THE FREAKEN CUSTOMER...I GET TO SAY WHAT I WANT ABOUT WHAT I PAY FOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So,Bustr that gives me the right to say whatever the hell I want about this game. And that goes for everyone else here who objects to any thing in this game.
HTC is lucky he has such a dedicated core player base to tell him what sucks and what doesnt.
New players dont know jack.
Game development companies pay big bucks for focus groups and beta test groups. He has that for free.
I suggest you stop acting like some ankle humping retard and contribute to the debate or shut the hell up.
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This thread is full of disrespect, rudeness, and immaturity.
There is a much better way to convey your ideas and thought, and even your dislikes, than to sling mud, accuse, and otherwise make an bellybutton out of yourselves. Some of you seriously need to re-think your delivery when your post in these forums. Show some respect for yourselves and others.
well said :aok
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I whole heartedly disagree with this statement. I am exPOTW and I hate the living toejam out of all of you. In fact I hate everyone in this game now ..... :rock
Not all of us Poobah...
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Yes it is. You see someone (not naming names, but a few have been really suspicious) log on and an hour later, you see 30 red dots flying over a CV strategically placed in the middle of nowhere.
Or you fly a low NOE mission to a base that hasnt been blinking in hours. No dar bar. and when you get there have 15 uppers waiting on you. Try again, 15 mins later at another airfield and AGAIN more uppers waiting in a CAP from 2K-15K. Its a PITA and I accept this change WITH BIG OPEN ARMS
THANK YOU HITECH
Question..... if the cv is in the middle of nowhere why is it so important to keep. It is useless in the middle of nowhere.
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Yes it is. You see someone (not naming names, but a few have been really suspicious) log on and an hour later, you see 30 red dots flying over a CV strategically placed in the middle of nowhere.
Or you fly a low NOE mission to a base that hasnt been blinking in hours. No dar bar. and when you get there have 15 uppers waiting on you. Try again, 15 mins later at another airfield and AGAIN more uppers waiting in a CAP from 2K-15K. Its a PITA and I accept this change WITH BIG OPEN ARMS
THANK YOU HITECH
I was talking to one of the vguys and he mentioned how they felt their noe missions was being spied upon. I mentioned to him that we in the pigs have upped a single plane on the most likely bases the bishops were gonna attack, we flew until somebody found the noe mission then gave the alarm the rest of us would bail, by the time they were close to the town we had 15 or 20 guys waiting for them. we did it for a couple of weeks, some days we busted every single mission they had. no spying involved just a little of thinking involved.
there's a few guys I have noticed will switch to take advantage of what they see, but it is just to get kills.
after
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I can't tell if Agent is being serious or mocking.
I'll simply say: The customer is not always right. That is a fallacy.
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I can't tell if Agent is being serious or mocking.
I'll simply say: The customer is not always right. That is a fallacy.
The customer pays so he has the right to voice a opinion.
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I can't tell if Agent is being serious or mocking.
I'll simply say: The customer is not always right. That is a fallacy.
The customer is not always right. The customer's only true avenue is to vote with his or her wallet. For that only time will tell.
Being this is just a game, it's not as big a deal as if it was something really important. For many of us it will just be more fun or less fun.
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I can't tell if Agent is being serious or mocking.
I'll simply say: The customer is not always right. That is a fallacy.
NOT TRUE..... I KNOW IT IS NOT TRUE... The customer is always right, I know it is because I pay $14.95 a month., so I have to be right. Where to you come off saying something like that? :rofl
OH, by the way, I pay $16.03 a month so I am more right than all the underlings that only pay $14.95. :D :bolt:
Fred
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See rule #4
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I can't tell if Agent is being serious or mocking.
I'll simply say: The customer is not always right. That is a fallacy.
Where did he say the customer is always right?
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They did it because you jerks wont pick a side, because you jerks like to spy on other teams, because you jerks are jerks!
Honestly, i would have people register to ONE side,forever....period.
Know why? because im not a side changing "its all about me and my game, i wanna win win win!!" jerk.
The only time people should be allowed to "change sides" is if they are sent a invite from someone on the other team (Squad leader .ect .ect), like how some squads like to change sides to fly with other squads, and that's fine.
Pick a side and stick with it! Knights forever, ya jerks!
:aok :neener: :D
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Why don't we all go knights so knights can always win.... Hey it will be like EW on steroids.
Rooks :1
Bish: 0
Knights :474
Wow, look how fast we steam rolled that map, hooray us, we is da best!
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Notice how as a member of the Committee yells loudly decrying any individual citizen, thus changing the mobs direction, the rest of the Committee starts another side show within the show.
Still even Agent does not, nor has found a way to answer why HiTech has chozen 12 hours for the side change rule. I guess it's a stretch but, vitrolic passion can substitute in the void of any reason.
This certaintly is an excellent tipping point for various players to speak their real feelings about the games creator and with crystal candor how much they detest those of the game's community not privelged to their olympian circle.
If you read the memoirs of the real Committee of Public Safety they had similar atttiudes and feelings in 1793. Unlike today, in the 1700's there was no Internet hiding the targets of their passions and directing the mobs to castigate them roughly. Some historians beleive a quarter million innocent french citizens died at the hands of Committee aimed mobs.
In revolutions on a state scale or in teapots in the dark. The hearts of the actors and scenes in this play never change. Robespierre and the Committee under different names at different times are the vocal elites and heart of the discord. Only how the "body afflicted" being exterminated or bullied by them changes as the last act of this play when ever it is presented.
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I've seen people state whether they like the new rules or they don't like it. I've seen people state their reason for their point of view. There seem to be others who's only purpose is to antagonize others. Is this the norm on this BBS? Frankly, I think they are making themselves look foolish. Especially if they have nothing more to contribute to the thread than that.
Fujita, I like you sir. :salute
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They did it because you jerks wont pick a side, because you jerks like to spy on other teams, because you jerks are jerks!
Honestly, i would have people register to ONE side,forever....period.
Know why? because im not a side changing "its all about me and my game, i wanna win win win!!" jerk.
The only time people should be allowed to "change sides" is if they are sent a invite from someone on the other team (Squad leader .ect .ect), like how some squads like to change sides to fly with other squads, and that's fine.
Pick a side and stick with it! Knights forever, ya jerks!
:aok :neener: :D
I used to be a Knight "forever", until I realized how dumb rabid country loyalty is. Nothing wrong with sticking with one side and your friends, but there are cool people on the other two sides that you will never know by not switching. Oh and by the way, some of the people on the nits (maybe even some of your friends) probably do the same stuff that pisses you off when the other sides do it. :D
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I'm sure what you consider "a fight", I and many others consider a boring EZ mode green horde. Now we are forced to partake in it or log off.
Foolish. The numbers have already been on the steady decline for the past year or so now. How will your gaming experience be any better if there are even less players online flying? Or do you actually think the net result of this change will be positive player growth? If so, how?
Yep, and until he does, I will just have to assume certain things that will get me Rule 4'd if I elaborate upon.
This whle thread can be summed up and finished with his post. "The one that go through" :)
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Agent360, if you are paying 14.95 a month you only have one right.
Stop paying 14.95 a month.
Exercising that right means you wont be able to play however.
I am not suggesting that anyone should stop playing or stop paying.
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Just a little heads up, not everyone plays to "win the war." Personally, I couldn't care less if people want to spy on the other side, locate CV's and point out NOE missions, that has little effect on my game. I play to dogfight, not to bomb or take bases, therefore, when people spy it goes unnoticed by me because I just don't care about that aspect of the game. With that said, even though I switch sides frequently I won't relay any info, I respect that some people do play to win the war, and that's fine with me.
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Agent360, if you are paying 14.95 a month you only have one right.
Stop paying 14.95 a month.
if you pay for a product, you have the right to say whatever you want about said product. welcome to america.
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if you pay for a product, you have the right to say whatever you want about said product. welcome to america.
Sir, you have that right whether you pay or not.
Paying 14.95 gives you no more rights than you had before. It may seem I am arguing semantics here but the English language is fairly well suited to illuminate an idea properly with "it's" correct usage. I generally choose my words and sentence structure carefully to avoid ambiguity. Sometimes I fail.
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if you pay for a product, you have the right to say whatever you want about said product. welcome to america.
Wrong, not here you don't, it's called "TERMS OF SERVICE", read it noob!
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the last few responses... :noid
you're right in that there are no "first amendment rights" on this BBS... however, just as a customer can vote with their wallet, they can also opine about their purchase <edit: whether allowed to here, or elsewhere; wherever /edit> (sheesh don't even have to buy something to have an opinion about it.)
so both sides are "right."
just sayin' :banana:
on topic: meh... still don't care much for it, but neither do i limit myself in having other options.
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I wonder if the amount of customers has gone down since the O'club and 200 were neutered.
Reading old threads is a hoot.
I'm sure all changes are positive.
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Shane, I digressed, and posted off topic, thank you sir.
I have never had an occasion where I felt the need to change sides more than once a day, therefore this does not directly effect how I play.
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Wrong, not here you don't, it's called "TERMS OF SERVICE", read it noob!
Maybe you should read it.
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America used to be one of the few countries where vigorus criticism of the product was not blurred with a lynch mob of the producer. One would think there has been a wrongful death from the producers product by the temper of this gathering.
But, as Gustave Le Bon observed, mobs create their own rules of a moment to suit their passons and desires.
Still no answer on the original 12 hour question then??
I suppose it has become irrelevant as the "group think" has moved on to more personal greivences concerning the game in general.
Have to hand it to shane. At least he has returned a 100 fold on his small investment for this free entertainment.
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Have to hand it to shane. At least he has returned a 100 fold on his small investment for this free entertainment.
ever read my sig?
:aok
:banana: :bolt:
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One thing I have noted about HTC.....
He always does want is best for the customer (and the game) in the long run......
Not want the customer thinks he wants.... right now.
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Am I the only one who thinks bustr is epicly over thinking this situation? :rolleyes:
I'll have some of what he's smokin
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Comparing 21st century game customer's dissatisfaction with a French Revolution is intellectual wanking of the worst kind.
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:angel:
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Comparing 21st century game customer's dissatisfaction with a French Revolution is intellectual wanking of the worst kind.
Lol @ intellectual wanking :rofl that sums it up nicely although we'll probably have to endure a 3 page essay drawing parallels with the Russian revolution everyone's part in it and how grizz is a lot like Stalin ;)
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and how grizz is a lot like Stalin ;)
Now that I think of it, he is. :devil
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Now that I think of it, he is. :devil
No! He's an angel, honest!! look up 2 replies........Would he kid us :x
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intellectual wanking of the worst kind.
That's how I feel when you give me a beat down in the DA each time. :ahand
Sorry, it's off topic.
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Comparing 21st century game customer's dissatisfaction with a French Revolution is intellectual wanking of the worst kind.
:aok
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Lol @ intellectual wanking :rofl that sums it up nicely although we'll probably have to endure a 3 page essay drawing parallels with the Russian revolution everyone's part in it and how grizz is a lot like Stalin ;)
If Grizz, get's exiled would we change that to Lenin? :D:bolt:
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No! He's an angel, honest!! look up 2 replies........Would he kid us :x
:devil :devil
:devil :devil
:devil :devil
:devil Me--> :angel: :devil
:devil :devil
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A challenge for the folks who switch sides seeking action.
When you log on go to the country with the most peeps on it. Do this for 1 week, join all the missions, cherryfests, fly a goon, bomb the crap out of stuff, vulch, tard, geek, grabass, and generally make a "horde" of yourself and we shall see how much fun it is. With most everyone on one side I presume the fun for all will be greatly diminished even for those "base taking" hordes soooo affected by spying!
The potential for "my style" of fun has been diminished by the 12 hour rule, so I shall join the hi numbered side for 1 week and revil in all that is fun :huh
I hope all those who enjoy changing sides to "give some sort of fight to the hordes" will join in my travels.
God bless the horde!
JUGgler the hordling! :old: :neener:
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If Grizz, get's exiled would we change that to Lenin? :D:bolt:
More like a Jesus walking on water. Although I'm sure, Bustr would argue that's only because he can't swim.
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One thing I have noted about HTC.....
He always does want is best for the customer (and the game) in the long run......
Not want the customer thinks he wants.... right now.
Normally I would agree, but I cannot ever see me getting used to having variety removed from a game that lacks it as it is. Supposedly thats the idea, my second options in this game have dried up, I know for a fact most of the regular players in ww1 for instance have been spirited away to another ww1 flight sim because of the lack of development or even fixing the fm of a few planes.
The DA I have done to death, MW once a little haven is now just like a mini MA no good fights there like there was, I have noticed a lot of names missing there. I wish search was working the general impression I got from hitech is that theres something there for everyone well theres not now, and there will be even less with 12 hour switch times.
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A challenge for the folks who switch sides seeking action.
When you log on go to the country with the most peeps on it. Do this for 1 week, join all the missions, cherryfests, fly a goon, bomb the crap out of stuff, vulch, tard, geek, grabass, and generally make a "horde" of yourself and we shall see how much fun it is. With most everyone on one side I presume the fun for all will be greatly diminished even for those "base taking" hordes soooo affected by spying!
The potential for "my style" of fun has been diminished by the 12 hour rule, so I shall join the hi numbered side for 1 week and revil in all that is fun :huh
I hope all those who enjoy changing sides to "give some sort of fight to the hordes" will join in my travels.
God bless the horde!
JUGgler the hordling! :old: :neener:
Challenge accepted.
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Comparing 21st century game customer's dissatisfaction with a French Revolution is intellectual wanking of the worst kind.
There are free auto-composers on the net where you type a subject or some keywords and it spits out as many paragraphs as you like.
I have a feeling that Bustr is is using one to spam this thread with. If I'm wrong I apologize, If not Bustr you're busted :lol and you did catch a few. :salute
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Am I the only one who thinks bustr is epicly over thinking this situation? :rolleyes:
I'll have some of what he's smokin
That's putting it mildly.
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Short non over thought version for those in Rio Linda:
The original reason for 12 hours has yet to be answered by you geniuses.
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This mobs ardeur is flagging. Shane is gonna have to stir another pot. Or just ask HiTech why he uses 12 hours for the time limit and be done with it.
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I wish that were true bighorn.
I'm just recouping my wasted time spent in higher education institutions under the misconception toilet tissue on my study wall means donkey doodels. I'm always surprised at how poor our education system has become in how few here post other than what will fit in a cell phone text message. I remember a time when how well you wrote was part of your job interview. E-mail didn't exist then and standards of public communication were higher. They didn't lynch Henry Ford because they didn't like his color choices.
Gotta use it before I loose it so to say..... :old:
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A challenge for the folks who switch sides seeking action.
When you log on go to the country with the most peeps on it. Do this for 1 week, join all the missions, cherryfests, fly a goon, bomb the crap out of stuff, vulch, tard, geek, grabass, and generally make a "horde" of yourself and we shall see how much fun it is. With most everyone on one side I presume the fun for all will be greatly diminished even for those "base taking" hordes soooo affected by spying!
The potential for "my style" of fun has been diminished by the 12 hour rule, so I shall join the hi numbered side for 1 week and revil in all that is fun :huh
I hope all those who enjoy changing sides to "give some sort of fight to the hordes" will join in my travels.
God bless the horde!
JUGgler the hordling! :old: :neener:
I dub thee, "The Knight of Hordes". May your shiny armor never tarnish in your days of Knighthood.
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The original reason for 12 hours has yet to be answered by you geniuses.
Shouldn't you be asking HiTech this question and not the players?
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I wish that were true bighorn.
I'm just recouping my wasted time spent in higher education institutions under the misconception toilet tissue on my study wall means donkey doodels.
Recouping wasted time in higher education with wasting time on AH BBS by posting crap. That's... Well, pure genius.
They didn't lynch Henry Ford because they didn't like his color choices.
Guess what, his color (and other) choices drove customers to look for products at his competitors which ultimately led to next Ford model (A) being offered in many colors.
The very next time the Ford (company) got ignorant of their customers wishes and needs, Ford Edsel was born. No need to say more.
Really, if you got extra time, study medicine, might come handy because it's damn obvious there's a blockage between your input and output and somehow you got full of it.
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Pure ownage.
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I log on to fly and fight always log to the low number for the fight. 1 hr was to long to me.
But I know I'm a dying breed of player.....
Whole thing doesn't make sense to me.
If it is for side switchers that do it for what 25 perks? Get rid of the perks for winning the war.
As far as spies , cheaters always find a way to cheat. Guys always pm'ed me before and asked where the cv was. Same answer find it yourself. Only dumb spies change sides. 12 hrs won't help a bit lol stupid logic, actually lack of logic.
Because it was that way before......huh????
So what if a bunch of guys switch sides to be on winning side....just resets faster....I love side switchers......I switch to low numbers side and fight the potatods lol...
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Recouping wasted time in higher education with wasting time on AH BBS by posting crap. That's... Well, pure genius.
Guess what, his color (and other) choices drove customers to look for products at his competitors which ultimately led to next Ford model (A) being offered in many colors.
The very next time the Ford (company) got ignorant of their customers wishes and needs, Ford Edsel was born. No need to say more.
Really, if you got extra time, study medicine, might come handy because it's damn obvious there's a blockage between your input and output and somehow you got full of it.
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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How was the 12 hour limit found to be the solution for a single arena based on your experience? What was it accomplishing in the past that a lesser amount of time wasn't? It must produce a result you value. With the return to a single arena you have kept that time over other choices. It would seem the real argument then is your reason for 12 hours based on experience is at odds to the emmidiate emotional desires of a small but, loudly vocal faction of the player base.
Fujita,
I thought it would be crass to mention the attention span epidemic in modern american culture. But, be confident, I did cover the issue of requesting an answer myself from HiTech. The rest is gratuitous popcorn....
Seems bighorn can't generate more than a cellphone text buffer full of anything to engage his audiences. America voted properly against Henry with their pocket books and their feet. Not as a mob would by killing the producer of a product. Henry adjusted accordingly to the reality of his cash flow. Maybe an Edsel will show up at HTC to add some flair to the offering.
My doctor is happy with my fiber intake and I'm home on vacation gardening. My Anagallis arvensis are in bloom and I've been fond of them since reading Baroness Orczy. Maybe thats why this conversation reminds me of mobs. You really should read Gustave Le Bon's "The Crowd". But, then there is that attention span epidemic in modern american culture today. I've been sharing some of the high lights in cellphone text buffer sizes. Maybe you noticed??
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The original reason for 12 hours has yet to be answered by you geniuses.
Sure seems like one of the "geniuses" has already answered it....
The rational for changing it to 1 hour when we went to 2 arenas was because the 2 arena format caused an almost constant imbalance between countries and the need arose to be able to change countries when you changed arenas. Now that we are back to one 1 arena , we have gone back to 12 hours, it was only an oversight that it was not done at the same time we changed to 1 arena.
HiTech
I am sure your highly intellectual brain was overwhelmed with translating your next post into prose we could all understand...and therefore could not be bothered with this post on page 18.
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America voted properly against Henry with their pocket books and their feet. Not as a mob would by killing the producer of a product.
Hey genius, did you call Hitech yet to tell him he was killed by an angry mob?
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Fujita,
I thought it would be crass to mention the attention span epidemic in modern american culture. But, be confident, I did cover the issue of requesting an answer myself from HiTech. The rest is gratuitous popcorn....
Seems bighorn can't generate more than a cellphone text buffer full of anything to engage his audiences. America voted properly against Henry with their pocket books and their feet. Not as a mob would by killing the producer of a product. Henry adjusted accordingly to the reality of his cash flow. Maybe an Edsel will show up at HTC to add some flair to the offering.
My doctor is happy with my fiber intake and I'm home on vacation gardening. My Anagallis arvensis are in bloom and I've been fond of them since reading Baroness Orczy. Maybe thats why this conversation reminds me of mobs. You really should read Gustave Le Bon's "The Crowd". But, then there is that attention span epidemic in modern american culture today. I've been sharing some of the high lights in cellphone text buffer sizes. Maybe you noticed??
Wow! Is he always this verbose and arrogant?
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Wow! Is he always this verbose and arrogant?
butstr likes to take charge of the moment :aok
It will wear off soon
JUGgler
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Wow! Is he always this verbose and arrogant?
Only when he's drunk.
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Only when he's drunk.
Oh, that is a shame.
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Go ahead and stone me, but I can't help but sit here with a smirk on my face
as I read of all the true-hearted, selfless, "I'm all about equal sides", self-righteous
pilot stuff. :rofl
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Oddball you just need some popcorn......
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Go ahead and stone me, but I can't help but sit here with a smirk on my face
as I read of all the true-hearted, selfless, "I'm all about equal sides", self-righteous
pilot stuff. :rofl
what self-righteous pilot stuff?
All i see is choice being taken from the player base. thats it..
Bustr, get back to that higher educational stuff.. i don't think we have nuff book learnin round these parts to keep up w/ you! Or better!, pick one of those condensed version thingys???? Communicating with people of lesser ilk for dummies? :D
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almost like fishing in a barrel :lol
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almost like fishing in a barrel :lol
Killing a member of the POTW?
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In my experience, a fish is a much harder kill than a pig.
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so it went from complaining about the 12 hour change to the usual muppet is right and everybody else is a dweeb who should shut up. which is what usually happens when anybody posts an opinion that the muppets dont agree with.
anyway I just logged, gonna go play in the game that according to juggler has no fights whatsoever, and all the players have logged in disgust. then again, many players said the same thing about the new tank controls. let's see how many of these complains are the same.
1- it ruined the game for a lot of us, such a drastic change.
2- people wont like it, they will quit
3-you cant have any more fights
I think #1 covers just about everything.
semp
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so it went from complaining about the 12 hour change to the usual muppet is right and everybody else is a dweeb who should shut up. which is what usually happens when anybody posts an opinion that the muppets dont agree with.
anyway I just logged, gonna go play in the game that according to juggler has no fights whatsoever, and all the players have logged in disgust. then again, many players said the same thing about the new tank controls. let's see how many of these complains are the same.
1- it ruined the game for a lot of us, such a drastic change.
2- people wont like it, they will quit
3-you cant have any more fights
I think #1 covers just about everything.
semp
As someone told me yesterday about this thread, "Envy is an extreme form of flattery" :lol
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I've been Bishops since I originally started playing in 2000. It's where I will stay. I fly Bish in all arenas 100% of the time.
For those who think it's stupid (yes I did "browse" the other countries.), I'm sorry you don't like staying on a team. :)
:salute :salute :salute
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almost like fishing in a barrel :lol
I was thinking the same thing. Probably not from the same point of view. :salute
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As someone told me yesterday about this thread, "Envy is an extreme form of flattery" :lol
omg i now must rethink my life, i envy the muppets. oh wait, no i can whine and beatch just as well as they do :banana: :banana: :banana:.
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I've been Bishops since I originally started playing in 2000. It's where I will stay. I fly Bish in all arenas 100% of the time.
For those who think it's stupid (yes I did "browse" the other countries.), I'm sorry you don't like staying on a team. :)
the "teams" are imaginary.. do you only fly bish in special events? what about when there is no bish side in the event?
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For my 2 cents it's hard to see why this rule, at either an hour or 12 hours, has generated so many posts and rants. I've never understood the huge gripe on the spying thing. I know HiTech takes a hard line on it. But so what if people see you coming and tell people on occasion? I thought the idea was to engage the enemy. Are secret missions to catch a remote base really what fuels the game? why is so much done to protect this sacred activity? If so why was radar was set to 65ft to help stop all the NOE-ing?
On the 12 hour thing. I personally have no country loyalty, and will switch maybe once on night on occation to balance out a lopsides fight. Sure sometimes there's more action between the other two countries. But I have found that action creates reaction in this game because folks are drawn to a dar bar like moths to a flame. If your squad of 4 or 6 or 8 folks flies to a base where there is nothing going on, in few minutes there will be plenty of uppers.
Big squads will need to choose a country for the night, before switching to make sure they don't end up trapped on different sides. Is that really a big deal?
So Bruv119 checks the roster and sees the muppets are all on Knits. He sends a note to Grizz and says "You guys staying Knits?" After a few smartalec and cryptic remarks, Grizz says "yep" and the Many of the Few can choose one of the opposing sides and all is well.
I wonder if Skuzzy or Lusche could provide stats on number of side switches per evening? I'm shocked this is such a big deal, but hey continue to have at it. :salute
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I wonder if Skuzzy or Lusche could provide stats on number of side switches per evening? I'm shocked this is such a big deal, but hey continue to have at it. :salute
I don't have access to more data than any other player. If you can't find any "country switch" stats on the score pages neither can I ;)
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the "teams" are imaginary.. do you only fly bish in special events? what about when there is no bish side in the event?
I don't do events very often and every once I've done has had Bish vs Rook lol.
Should I happen to partake in an even that doesn't include the glorious "Bish nation" I would any many miney moe it. :P
:salute
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Great change.
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I don't have access to more data than any other player.
This is the first time I have ever seen the Snail tell an untruth. Everybody knows that you have a secret connection to HTC's data... ;)
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I applaud the move wtg HT :aok
Now could you take care of the back channel comms?
SideJumpinBumkins,
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A challenge for the folks who switch sides seeking action.
When you log on go to the country with the most peeps on it. Do this for 1 week, join all the missions, cherryfests, fly a goon, bomb the crap out of stuff, vulch, tard, geek, grabass, and generally make a "horde" of yourself and we shall see how much fun it is. With most everyone on one side I presume the fun for all will be greatly diminished even for those "base taking" hordes soooo affected by spying!
The potential for "my style" of fun has been diminished by the 12 hour rule, so I shall join the hi numbered side for 1 week and revil in all that is fun :huh
I hope all those who enjoy changing sides to "give some sort of fight to the hordes" will join in my travels.
God bless the horde!
JUGgler the hordling! :old: :neener:
You mean fly on the side you log on to for the fun... then when your through change to the high number side and go watch TV? :rofl
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For my 2 cents it's hard to see why this rule, at either an hour or 12 hours, has generated so many posts and rants. I've never understood the huge gripe on the spying thing. I know HiTech takes a hard line on it. But so what if people see you coming and tell people on occasion? I thought the idea was to engage the enemy. Are secret missions to catch a remote base really what fuels the game? why is so much done to protect this sacred activity? If so why was radar was set to 65ft to help stop all the NOE-ing?
The change has nothing to do with preventing spying and everything to do with side-balancing.
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The change has nothing to do with preventing spying and everything to do with side-balancing.
And you base that on what? Explain that please?
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And you base that on what? Explain that please?
Um, this very obvious quote by HiTech might be the first clue:
The rational for changing it to 1 hour when we went to 2 arenas was because the 2 arena format caused an almost constant imbalance between countries and the need arose to be able to change countries when you changed arenas. Now that we are back to one 1 arena , we have gone back to 12 hours, it was only an oversight that it was not done at the same time we changed to 1 arena.
The second clue would be common sense. If HTC thought that spying was a huge issue and believed that these changes would fix it, they would have done it long ago rather than waiting for the arena merger. Why would the number of arenas impact the amount of spying? I don't see the connection where two arenas would somehow not require a long side switch timer to prevent spying while one large arena would.
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The change has nothing to do with preventing spying and everything to do with side-balancing.
Side balancing was handicapped by this change. The ebb and flow of folks signing in and out is a constant. The ability to change sides to help even up sides is once every 12 hours.
It was already stated that the change was made to resemble AH before the split. I'm not sure if they actually took into consideration what the ability to change hourly could or couldn't do in a single arena.
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Side balancing was handicapped by this change. The ebb and flow of folks signing in and out is a constant. The ability to change sides to help even up sides is once every 12 hours.
Playing the advocate here Shuffler. I have not seen the large ENY's since the two arenas were combined. So why do folks need to switch to even up sides that are more less balanced according to the low or no ENY numbers? :headscratch:
Mind you a lot of us fly at all sorts of different times, and I typically fly 8-10 PM EDT during the week.
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Way
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Side balancing was handicapped by this change. The ebb and flow of folks signing in and out is a constant. The ability to change sides to help even up sides is once every 12 hours.
I doubt it was handicapped. Plus, I think you're looking at things in snapshots rather than over the course of an evening. With short side switching, you'll probably see two phenomena: First, you'll almost always have one side with a major advantage. Folks like a winner, and they hate getting ganged, so you'll have a large proportion of players hopping to the "winning" side and exacerbating the imbalance. I suspect the number of people who hop to the largest side easily outweighs those trying to balance out the numbers.
Second, as the night wears on and people log in and out, the balance of power potentially shifts to another country. Suddenly you see major imbalances emerge as that country has everyone flock to it in that time frame. So a short side switch doesn't necessarily equate to balanced sides, but rather leads to greater side imbalances in the short term and wild fluctuations in numbers between sides in the medium term (over the course of a night). That should be especially bad in a huge arena compared to smaller arenas.
Limiting side switching flattens out those fluctuations, at least in theory.
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See rule #4
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Playing the advocate here Shuffler. I have not seen the large ENY's since the two arenas were combined. So why do folks need to switch to even up sides that are more less balanced according to the low or no ENY numbers? :headscratch:
Mind you a lot of us fly at all sorts of different times, and I typically fly 8-10 PM EDT during the week.
:salute
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To find a fight! Just because there is a low ENY does not mean there is a fight at hand. It is much more than just numbers. One side may have a lot of folks not fighting, or GVing, or bombing, etc. In that case if you are a fighter jock your out of luck. Same goes if your GVing and most on the other side are in fighters or bombers. In either case the ability to change sides in a reasonable time frame may mean fun or no fun. Due to the ebb and flow this can change many times in a 12 hour period.
There is no right or wrong here. It boils down to the point of keeping the majority happy one way or the other and keeping the playability of the game intact.
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You probably missed my thoughts on that it got rule 4 ed, it basically amounted to yeah Hitech I hear what your saying but I don't believe you, that you simply 'forgot' to add this when switching to one arena.
I've always found HTC to be pretty open and honest about their reasons for making changes. If they found spying to be a huge problem, I suspect they'd announce they made a change for that very reason. I'm not sure why they would want to hide their reasoning if spying was in fact the primary motivator.
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are you playing again levi?
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To find a fight! Just because there is a low ENY does not mean there is a fight at hand. It is much more than just numbers. One side may have a lot of folks not fighting, or GVing, or bombing, etc. In that case if you are a fighter jock your out of luck. Same goes if your GVing and most on the other side are in fighters or bombers. In either case the ability to change sides in a reasonable time frame may mean fun or no fun. Due to the ebb and flow this can change many times in a 12 hour period.
There is no right or wrong here. It boils down to the point of keeping the majority happy one way or the other and keeping the playability of the game intact.
Understood. As an AH II ADHD sufferer I am jumping from a fighter, to a jabo, to buffs, to field guns, to GV's in rapid succession all night and action is never lacking for me. I can appreciate that some players approach this game with a single method of combat in mind.
:salute
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are you playing again levi?
Nah, I've been sucked into Rift these days with a side helping of Bioshock.
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The change has nothing to do with preventing spying and everything to do with side-balancing.
I'm confused how keeping folks from switching sides, helps with side balance? This would assume that most people switch to the side with the MOST players. Isn't the oposite true? :salute
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Nah, I've been sucked into Rift these days with a side helping of Bioshock.
....*sigh*.....such a waste.....
- oldman
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Nah, I've been sucked into Rift these days.
Any good?
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I'm confused how keeping folks from switching sides, helps with side balance? This would assume that most people switch to the side with the MOST players. Isn't the oposite true? :salute
Yes, and I think that assumption is accurate. Constant side imbalances cited in here even with the lower side switching time limit support that assumption.
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Any good?
It's alright. I've been playing it far more casually than I did WoW, which is kind of funny since I've somehow wound up in hardcore guild that's clearing all of the current end game content. It only takes them a night to do it though.
It's basically WoW even down to renamed talent choices (Retaliation instead of Revenge for warrior tanks, Incriminate instead of Misdirect for hunter types, etc). The graphics are far superior and some of the boss fights have interesting mechanics. The talent system is vastly superior to WoW.
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Yes, and I think that assumption is accurate. Constant side imbalances cited in here even with the lower side switching time limit support that assumption.
But wait. HiTech said when side imbalances were created due to folks swapping arenas, that the solution was to lower the time limit to correct the imbalance. If that was the solution then, why isn't a solution now? That would imply that folks weren't switching sides creating bigger imbalances, but just the opposite. no? :salute
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Because they are not switching arenas any more so the sides stay balanced better.
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But wait. HiTech said when side imbalances were created due to folks swapping arenas, that the solution was to lower the time limit to correct the imbalance. If that was the solution then, why isn't a solution now? That would imply that folks weren't switching sides creating bigger imbalances, but just the opposite. no? :salute
Look at what HiTech said:
the need arose to be able to change countries when you changed arenas.
That's the stated major rationale for why they went to one hour IMO. The consequences of going to two arenas were massive side imbalances (likely due to the lower side switching limit necessary to accommodate two arenas). In addition, it's very likely that players on the "losing" side were more likely to switch to a new arena, exacerbating side imbalances even more. With one arena, you don't need to allow people to change countries when moving to a new arena; the rationale for allowing that no longer exists.
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I second the sentiments of Oldman. Maybe one day the legend will return to our skies.
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Look at what HiTech said:
That's the stated major rationale for why they went to one hour IMO. The consequences of going to two arenas were massive side imbalances (likely due to the lower side switching limit necessary to accommodate two arenas). In addition, it's very likely that players on the "losing" side were more likely to switch to a new arena, exacerbating side imbalances even more. With one arena, you don't need to allow people to change countries when moving to a new arena; the rationale for allowing that no longer exists.
You can put 200 on each team and there will most likely be no balance. Balance in a game is much more than simply numbers. We are not countries fighting eachother.... we are people. Each individual has his own idea of what a fight is.
The lessened ability to find that fight is a handicap.
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The lessened ability to find that fight is a handicap.
Okay, I can buy that. What you'd said originally was that side balancing was handicapped by this change. If anything, the change promotes more long-term balance in numbers between the sides. That doesn't really speak to the quality or abundance of fights though.
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Okay, I can buy that. What you'd said originally was that side balancing was handicapped by this change. If anything, the change promotes more long-term balance in numbers between the sides. That doesn't really speak to the quality or abundance of fights though.
As observed, there was no side balancing problem for the past 3 weeks, was there? I've observed very balanced sides and no ENY issues. This leads me to believe that 1 hour capability was not leading to everyone jumping to the side with most people. But maybe it was unbalanced and I didn't notice? :salute
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As observed, there was no side balancing problem for the past 3 weeks, was there? I've observed very balanced sides and no ENY issues. This leads me to believe that 1 hour capability was not leading to everyone jumping to the side with most people. But maybe it was unbalanced and I didn't notice? :salute
Once we shifted back to one arena, the numbers did indeed fluctuate fairly wildly depending on time of day. Now the 3 sides have become a bit more stable (I'm not seeing huge imbalace in raws nbrs when I log on, I am however seeing huge variations in the "fights" to be found... it's still often a horde/avoidance mentality.)
I've always managed to find the kind of action I prefer for the most part.
YMMV
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omg i now must rethink my life, i envy the muppets. oh wait, no i can whine and beatch just as well as they do :banana: :banana: :banana:.
semp
Don't argue with the N1K pileet Semp, hes hasn't had his grande latte enema this morning.
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Don't argue with the N1K pileet Semp, hes hasn't had his grande latte enema this morning.
Running late again were we?
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Is levi that guy who is good in a spit? Heard his name tossed around before.
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As someone told me yesterday about this thread, "Envy is an extreme form of flattery" :lol
Yeah, we're envious of a squad that cried hystericaly like babies for 24 hours before being called out on how pathetic they all looked taking that aproach of raising an objection with HiTech. Then they resorted to hiding behind their internet anonomity to safely resort to name calling and insults in a virtual community, because? :rolleyes:
We're Pigs, we already walked into this thing covered in mud and smelling like !@#$, what's the Muppet's excuse?
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We're Pigs, we already walked into this thing covered in mud and smelling like !@#$, what's the Muppet's excuse?
I don't really know you guys that well, although I flew with a bunch of you earlier in the week. I enjoyed that night and I have appreciated your contributions to this thread. Just wanted to give you guys a salute :salute :aok
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Just thought I would mention that I have been enjoying my popcorn these last few days as well. :D
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Is levi that guy who is good in a spit? Heard his name tossed around before.
He was before he got in to pixies and what have you. Damn good actually,even better than you :D
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Yeah, we're envious of a squad that cried hystericaly like babies for 24 hours before being called out on how pathetic they all looked taking that aproach of raising an objection with HiTech. Then they resorted to hiding behind their internet anonomity to safely resort to name calling and insults in a virtual community, because? :rolleyes:
We're Pigs, we already walked into this thing covered in mud and smelling like !@#$, what's the Muppet's excuse?
:rofl Don't need one
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He was before he got in to pixies and what have you. Damn good actually,even better than you :D
I suck dude lol. I wanna see him and Kazaa go at it in spits :)
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I suck dude lol. I wanna see him and Kazaa go at it in spits :)
LOL I think this finally establishes that Todd is officially old now :)
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LOL I think this finally establishes that Todd is officially old now :)
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Yeah he's incontinent, blind and his reflexes died yesterday.
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Maybe if HTC added some pretty FPS dolls for him to creep around with? :noid
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Strange , it has been 12 hours for more years then the previous setting.
HiTech
And we didnt like it then:) Strange :)
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I suck dudes lol. I wanna see him and Kazaa spit on each other and go at it :)
fixed
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And we didnt like it then:) Strange :)
And he never gave a logical rational for the 12 hour decision, other than it was before (the 'why' on it was ever chosen has yet to be answered).. strange(well not really)
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And he never gave a logical rational for the 12 hour decision, other than it was before (the 'why' on it was ever chosen has yet to be answered).. strange(well not really)
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The logical rationale was that increasing the side switching timer to 12 hours in a single arena helps to reduce side imbalances over the long term.
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The logical rationale was that increasing the side switching timer to 12 hours in a single arena helps to reduce side imbalances over the long term.
Define "side imbalance".
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The logical rationale was that increasing the side switching timer to 12 hours in a single arena helps to reduce side imbalances over the long term.
Why 12? Why not 6? or 24?
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[quoteWhy 12? Why not 6? or 24?][/quote]
24 works for me...
Cav
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Define "side imbalance".
Ideally an arena should feature sides with roughly equal numbers. If you see one or two sides with significantly larger numbers than the others, that's imbalanced. If you see wild fluctuations in the number and proportion of players on sides, that's also problematic since it makes it difficult for HTC to implement ways to balance the numbers over the long term. That is, if you have a long term imbalance where one side always seems to have more players than another, you can remedy that through ENY, by putting new players on the sides with lower numbers, etc. If those imbalances shift wildly over the course of a night, as I suspect they probably did, such solutions have no real impact on balance.
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Define "side imbalance".
I'll take a stab at this one Slash, bearing in mind that I am not HTC. I think HTC's idea of a side imbalance is a significant difference in the amount of players from one country to another. I do not believe that they are addressing what your core concern is, and I believe that is that you are looking for a certain type of fight with a specific balance of numbers regardless of country population numbers. How'd I do? :headscratch:
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Why 12? Why not 6? or 24?
Dunno, you'll have to ask HiTech. If I had to guess, 12 works better than 24 because it doesn't punish you if you switched sides at the end of the previous evening. Each night is a blank slate.
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Dunno, you'll have to ask HiTech. If I had to guess, 12 works better than 24 because it doesn't punish you if you switched sides at the end of the previous evening. Each night is a blank slate.
12 works better than 6? Certainly the average flying session is less than six hours...
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Ideally an arena should feature sides with roughly equal numbers. If you see one or two sides with significantly larger numbers than the others, that's imbalanced. If you see wild fluctuations in the number and proportion of players on sides, that's also problematic since it makes it difficult for HTC to implement ways to balance the numbers over the long term. That is, if you have a long term imbalance where one side always seems to have more players than another, you can remedy that through ENY, by putting new players on the sides with lower numbers, etc. If those imbalances shift wildly over the course of a night, as I suspect they probably did, such solutions have no real impact on balance.
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Dunno, you'll have to ask HiTech. If I had to guess, 12 works better than 24 because it doesn't punish you if you switched sides at the end of the previous evening. Each night is a blank slate.
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12 works better than 6? Certainly the average flying session is less than six hours...
Again, I'm not HTC. You'll have to ask them.
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Maybe Babalonian and Bustr know.
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In Air Warrior, it was 24 hrs... I can't speak for WB... In AH it was 12... for whatever initial reason... it may have been tweaked at time I don't really recall... then i guess with split arena 1 hr became the standard, and now we're back to one arena, so there's no "reason" other than, it's pretty much always been that way (with one arena).
Now if y'all are asking HTC to consider *changing* the 12 hr limit... :noid
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I suck dude lol. I wanna see him and Kazaa go at it in spits :)
You don't understand the true meaning of good. Anyone can get good at dueling for ego. Some of us old fogies like to duel purely for fun, but that is not 'being good' either.
Levi was the master of the furball. He displayed reactions second to none, his SA was clairvoyant, his nerve was unshakable in any odds and most importantly, something which you youngsters need to understand about 'being good', his attitude was all class. He never acted like someone who was better than the next man and would give the time of day to anyone in the game. He also sucks, ask Drex if you ever see him.
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I'll take a stab at this one Slash, bearing in mind that I am not HTC. I think HTC's idea of a side imbalance is a significant difference in the amount of players from one country to another. I do not believe that they are addressing what your core concern is, and I believe that is that you are looking for a certain type of fight with a specific balance of numbers regardless of country population numbers. How'd I do? :headscratch:
It not as much a certain type of "fight" as it is a fight at all. Contrary to what is projected on to myself as well as my squad by those with some hangup about their status in cartoon world, I am not looking for furball utopia. It does not exist here. While I may prefer a pointless furball to landgrabbing, I don't knock a fight that is spawned from base capture. However, the locust swarm form of base capture is the lame and I could not find it to be more boring or a waste of my time. Up 30 P-51s, flatten everything, capture, hurry up and land, go to the other side of the map. :huh
I have it thrown in my face to just strap a bomb on and go make my own fight. "Build it and they will come." My ass. I've been here 10 years and that is not the magic formula for a fight. I don't tell you how you should spend your time in AH so spare me your outrage when you don't like the fact I respond to your chickenshit attacks of me and my friends when we don't care to play your way.
All I ask it the opportunity to help balance the numbers by switching. I know this puts me in the same category as the Dixie Chicks, but AH "country" loyalty is a joke in the big picture of the game and I don't care about it. Some of you act like you'd rather quit the game then <gasp> switch sides!! Ok, what ever. Don't switch, I don't care. I'll switch and give you something to shoot at.
And I don't think even numbers is the only factor in side balancing. Even numbers and not a fight on "my side" is a good balance for me how? There were even numbers for the most part late last night yet we still had to switch because there was NO FIGHT. This isn't new, this isn't rare. Maybe one hour is too short, maybe it isn't. I do know that 12 is too long and should be rethought.
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You don't understand the true meaning of good. Anyone can get good at dueling for ego. Some of us old fogies like to duel purely for fun, but that is not 'being good' either.
Levi was the master of the furball. He displayed reactions second to none, his SA was clairvoyant, his nerve was unshakable in any odds and most importantly, something which you youngsters need to understand about 'being good', his attitude was all class. He never acted like someone who was better than the next man and would give the time of day to anyone in the game. He also sucks, ask Drex if you ever see him.
LOL now Todd is old and apparently dead too.....er....he was +Dead, DeadF etc. Sounding a bit like his obituary Bat :)
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my squad
Traitor.
- oldman
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LOL now Todd is old and apparently dead too.....er....he was +Dead, DeadF etc. Sounding a bit like his obituary Bat :)
haha, he is dead in AH land currently, the only difference being anyone who leaves can ressurect themself for a mere $14.95
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You don't understand the true meaning of good. Anyone can get good at dueling for ego. Some of us old fogies like to duel purely for fun, but that is not 'being good' either.
Levi was the master of the furball. He displayed reactions second to none, his SA was clairvoyant, his nerve was unshakable in any odds and most importantly, something which you youngsters need to understand about 'being good', his attitude was all class. He never acted like someone who was better than the next man and would give the time of day to anyone in the game. He also sucks, ask Drex if you ever see him.
Were you taking subtle stabs at me or am I am exaggerating? I understand the true meaning of good. I've never seen him fly was just curious.
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You don't understand the true meaning of good. Anyone can get good at dueling for ego. Some of us old fogies like to duel purely for fun, but that is not 'being good' either.
Levi was the master of the furball. He displayed reactions second to none, his SA was clairvoyant, his nerve was unshakable in any odds and most importantly, something which you youngsters need to understand about 'being good', his attitude was all class. He never acted like someone who was better than the next man and would give the time of day to anyone in the game. He also sucks, ask Drex if you ever see him.
Well put mate! :rock
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I know this puts me in the same category as the Dixie Chicks, but AH "country" loyalty is a joke in the big picture of the game and I don't care about it. Some of you act like you'd rather quit the game then <gasp> switch sides!! Ok, what ever. Don't switch, I don't care. I'll switch and give you something to shoot at.
:cheers:
I too am a AH Dixie Chick :salute
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Were you taking subtle stabs at me or am I am exaggerating? I understand the true meaning of good. I've never seen him fly was just curious.
You should know i'm not subtle. It was not a stab at anyone, it was an explanation and a little advise.
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Traitor.
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And I don't think even numbers is the only factor in side balancing. Even numbers and not a fight on "my side" is a good balance for me how?
I think that's a perfectly valid criticism. Balancing sides sort of assumes that good fights develop as a result of equal numbers. My experience in Air Warrior and Aces High tells me that this is probably true, but it's not always true. It sure doesn't feel balanced if you're the one country getting ganged up on by the other two.
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good fights come form opposing sides of equal skill rather than equal numbers, in my experience.
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Is levi that guy who is good in a spit? Heard his name tossed around before.
Most folks are good in a spit.
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Yesterday I got to play for about 7 hours. The day started out ok with a few fights going on here and there. Soon.... about an hour in, the Rook horde formed and started hitting the Bish. Very few fights, an few picks on low defenders, bomb a couple of GVs :devil I could have switched, but I figured the fight up north looked to be a horde too so I didn't bother (join the Knight horde, or fight against the Knight or Rook horde, neither sounded fun).
So I decided to work on my GVing skill :rolleyes: Found a smaller fight, figuring I might have a better chance to survive a bit longer, and rolled out. Got dead with a single shot, never saw hijm, never heard him. Rolled again, and got off a few rounds and killed a guy :x Moved up a bit to a new possition. Sure enough the guy comes back, and I hit him twice and he stops with a hedge between us. I hear him start and stop a number of times like he's inching up (how do you do that?) I keep watching for him to peek out with my finger on the trigger. BOOM! I'm dead, never saw him peek out. Tuff to GV when you can't take a single hit :(
So I again think about changing sides, but numbers look the same, Bish getting hammered from both sides. A squadie logs on so I wing a couple with him and break for supper. After a couple pounds of pizza hits bottom Im back. Bish numbers are climbing and the Rook horde is hitting them head on! Great! No not so great, all it is, is a bunch of players HOing each other and reupping over and over again. Might as well just give them A-bombs and get it over quicker. Switch over to the other front against the Knights and get one flight in before the Knight horde arrives. Now my choices are get HOed on one front, or ganged on the other..... hmmmmm..... what to do??? :rolleyes:
Moral of the story is the sides are not "balanced", and when they do get close in numbers poor game play ruins the fun. Had I done my one switch for the day to get away from the rook horde I could have then been stuck flying with the Knit or Bish horde. I guess the COD mentality of running through a fight firering at everything until your dead to reup and do it again and again is they way the game is going.
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fugitive don't forget the bishop horde that kept attacking a9 for at least two hours, double dar bar and all. killed hangars several times but we some how manage to keep it till late st night.
dude all sides horde at any time. get over it. you want to have a small fight, then pm some people and start your own little fight.
I played just as long as you did. started doing some noe missions with a few 20 or 30 others lol. when I got tired of that, started killing ords with squadies to slow down the bishops. then, took defended p11 several times another big lol there. then upped a tank to defend a9, a few kills there til I got bombed. more fighter sorties to defend it. when I got bored then saw a small fight with the rooks, lots of fun there. log got an hour to have dinner. came back and had more fights against perhaps ten or so bishops that didn't want to horde in the north. then I logged.
was a fun day a little of everything. I had fun and I blame nobody except myself for that.
semp
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fugitive don't forget the bishop horde that kept attacking a9 for at least two hours, double dar bar and all. killed hangars several times but we some how manage to keep it till late st night.
dude all sides horde at any time. get over it. you want to have a small fight, then pm some people and start your own little fight.
I played just as long as you did. started doing some noe missions with a few 20 or 30 others lol. when I got tired of that, started killing ords with squadies to slow down the bishops. then, took defended p11 several times another big lol there. then upped a tank to defend a9, a few kills there til I got bombed. more fighter sorties to defend it. when I got bored then saw a small fight with the rooks, lots of fun there. log got an hour to have dinner. came back and had more fights against perhaps ten or so bishops that didn't want to horde in the north. then I logged.
was a fun day a little of everything. I had fun and I blame nobody except myself for that.
semp
Thank-you for making my point. This game is no longer about learning a skill and compeating. It's all about running around fireing your guns until you die then up and do it again.
NOE with 20-30 guys, yup lots of fun there! Lets see shoot and bomb buildings that don't move or shoot back, vulch slowly moving planes that can't defend themselves unless you fly in front of their guns. WOW!!! thats fun for about 2 minutes then all it is is rinse and repeat.
Killing ords, LOL!!! yup those ords are tuff targets!! I don't know how many times I've been killed by them! :rolleyes:
Taking a port???? did you hold a meeting and make plans? Taking a port is a V base with less hangers.
The whole point is why play? It's like playing stratego against yourself! HTC might as well set up the arenas like a shooting gallery with big splashes showing the point values as you hit the targets. Maybe some ducks to knock over. There is nothing but hiding in the horde, or hiding under dar.
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Not smart.
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Most folks are good in a spit.
True, but there is always someone who is better. Be it spit, 190, or zeke etc. Dueling same planes in the DA quickly shows who is good, and who thought they were good.
And yes, in his prime Levi was a beast.
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:rofl i made it 8 pages!
:aok htc
:old: grass is always greener on the other side.
:airplane: mission posted 5 min :airplane:
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The whole point is why play? It's like playing stratego against yourself! HTC might as well set up the arenas like a shooting gallery with big splashes showing the point values as you hit the targets. Maybe some ducks to knock over. There is nothing but hiding in the horde, or hiding under dar.
I give up. somebody as smart as you should've realized by now that nobody is going to play the game to make it fun for you. it aint gonna happen. you dont have fun, perhaps you should take the advise you have given so many others, quit the game.
Like I said before when I have fun I have nobody but me to blame for it :salute.
semp
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I give up. somebody as smart as you should've realized by now that nobody is going to play the game to make it fun for you. it aint gonna happen.
Why not? I play so others can have fun. I could fly strait into people HOin, or I could dive to the deck and run for the ack every time someone turns there nose towards me. But I don't, I give them a fight. I'll reup a number of times in a GV even tho I stink in one, just to hunt and be hunted. If I didn't some GVers would get bored waiting for someone else to show.
you dont have fun, perhaps you should take the advise you have given so many others, quit the game.
Like I said before when I have fun I have nobody but me to blame for it :salute.
semp
I didn't say I don't have fun, I was questioning why people play that way, it can't possibly be fun for more than 10 minutes.
Once you learn to hit a static target, it's pretty easy and a bit boring to do. Once you learn to NOT hit trees and sneak a base with 30 or 40 or your closest friends (half don't even have a target when they get there), it gets easy and boring as well. Unfortunately it seems that todays players don't care to advance and learn the tougher things like fighting A2A, both heavy and light. How to take bases with 10 guys instead of 30-40. To have a running tank battle in Tank Town (if they can't spawn camp "it's toooooo hard!!!" <say with the whiniest voice you can do). Todays players are mediocre, and seem happy with it.
Which is too bad, they are missing out on what could be a great game if they gave it a shot.
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The least fun thing in the world is trying to make everyone see things your way.
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I give up. somebody as smart as you should've realized by now that nobody is going to play the game to make it fun for you. it aint gonna happen. you dont have fun, perhaps you should take the advise you have given so many others, quit the game.
Like I said before when I have fun I have nobody but me to blame for it :salute.
semp
I think the question is, why would people not want to compete against other players in an online game. That's what doesn't make sense. For a lot of us old timers that is what is hard to understand. Why come to an online game and play it like an offline game?
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I think the question is, why would people not want to compete against other players in an online game. That's what doesn't make sense. For a lot of us old timers that is what is hard to understand. Why come to an online game and play it like an offline game?
I just want to fly a p51 or 190d9 and pick & gang already outnumbered enemies. I also want to run from every situation in which I don't have a numerical adv and if I am forced into a 1v1, I'm going to ho, and run away. Occasionally, I'll up a spit 8, spit 16, or Brewster, wait for others to get engaged in fights, then latch on to them like a fly on poop and spray my guns until they are killed, (prob from a pilot wound). I don't understand why people can't find fights, I always look for the largest green dar bar. :D
And about offline mode, no one gives me high-5s and wtgs for my kills, and I have to spend time setting up a mission where I can always win... too much work.
I hope this answered your question. :joystick: :joystick:
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This one has gone completely off topic. So time to put it out of it's misery.