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Palins say teen daughter is preggers
The 17-year-old daughter of Gov. Sarah Palin is pregnant, according to a statement released today by the Palin and her husband.
http://www.adn.com/news/alaska/story/512560.html
"Bristol and the young man she will marry are going to realize very quickly the difficulties of raising a child, which is why they will have the love and support of our entire family. We ask the media to respect our daughter and Levi's privacy as has always been the tradition of children of candidates," the Palin family statement concluded.
Oh no!
Man, this just gets more interesting everyday. I wonder how much this will hurt things...
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Damn. I'm prescient.
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This will continue to get more and more interesting.
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Palins say teen daughter is preggers
I wonder how much this will hurt things...
I would say that it doesn't hurt anything.
No cover-ups, just the truth...it's shouldn't matter anyway.
It might hurt Obama if he goes off and says something like how it's sad that the poor girl is being punished for her mistake.
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from http://eagleforumalaska.blogspot.com/2006/07/2006-gubernatorial-candidate.html
3. Will you support funding for abstinence-until-marriage education instead of for explicit sex-education programs, school-based clinics, and the distribution of contraceptives in schools?
SP: Yes, the explicit sex-ed programs will not find my support.
LMAO, sounds like the li'l hussy could've used some of those "explicit sex-ed programs", or maybe a couple free condoms... How's that "abstinence-until-marriage" working out fer ya, changin' yer tune yet? :devil
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Damn. I'm prescient.
You're having a baby too? :confused:
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17? Pfft. In my city's public school girls are getting pregnant in 7th grade, 8th grade.
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from http://eagleforumalaska.blogspot.com/2006/07/2006-gubernatorial-candidate.html
LMAO, sounds like the li'l hussy could've used some of those "explicit sex-ed programs", or maybe a couple free condoms... How's that "abstinence-until-marriage" working out fer ya, changin' yer tune yet? :devil
No doubt she and her partner in crime knew all about those things you mention. Your glee is misplaced. This won't hurt the Republican chance to win the election a bit. If anything, it will humanize them even more.
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I would say that it doesn't hurt anything.
No cover-ups, just the truth...it's shouldn't matter anyway.
It might hurt Obama if he goes off and says something like how it's sad that the poor girl is being punished for her mistake.
I agree, shes too old for this to be a "scandal". If she was like 13 years old then it would be a scandal. I lolled tough, imho this is a clear case where an abortion would have been valid.
Im sure she got smacked around good at home when these news surfaced.
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...imho this is a clear case where an abortion would have been valid.
Valid? At 5 months?
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Valid? At 5 months?
She surely knew she was pregnant at an earlier stage.
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A presidential election... And this is the breaking news....
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A presidential election... And this is the breaking news....
of course it is... anything to keep us distracted from the real issues, ya know...
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11. Are you offended by the phrase “Under God” in the Pledge of Allegiance? Why or why not?
Sarah Palin: Not on your life. If it was good enough for the founding fathers, its good enough for me and I’ll fight in defense of our Pledge of Allegiance.
jeez even I know this is wrong. twice.
how do you Republicans out there feel about a VP who doesnt seem to know who wrote the Declaration/Constitution and the Pledge?
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It would be nice to leave the children out of this. Nothing like being 17 years old and having the entire fugging country know you're pregnant.
Granted, the McCain campaign released the info, but it's a shame they felt they had to do that.
"The aide said it was decided the campaign would reveal this information now because of rampant Internet rumors that Sarah Palin's 4-month-old baby, who has Down syndrome, was actually Bristol's."
Doesn't really matter if she was doing drugs, got pregnant, was a lesbian or whatever. She's still technically/legally a minor and her life should be protected from the spotlight.
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No doubt she and her partner in crime knew all about those things you mention. Your glee is misplaced. This won't hurt the Republican chance to win the election a bit. If anything, it will humanize them even more.
FWIW, the only thing I was laughing at is a neo-con (make no mistake, Palin is one...) being bit in the bellybutton by her own views. There's no humor in a 17 year old getting preggers, in fact, I find it laudable that she's keeping the child and marrying the father. It's the neo-con, "conservative" family-values that I'm getting a chuckle out of... Face reality already, kids like screwing, they're gonna do it. Be responsible and throw 'em some rubbers so their lust doesn't impact the rest of their life.
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11. Are you offended by the phrase “Under God” in the Pledge of Allegiance? Why or why not?
SP: Not on your life. If it was good enough for the founding fathers, its good enough for me and I’ll fight in defense of our Pledge of Allegiance.
jeez even I know this is wrong. twice.
hehe,
written in 1892 by a Baptist minister. Which of the founding fathers was still alive? :D
Words "under God" added in 1954.
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I don't know what the teen pregnancy rate is in Alaska, but I wouldn't be surprised if it is far above the rate in the continental US. Small isolated towns, few activities for kids.
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jeez even I know this is wrong. twice.
how do you Republicans out there feel about a VP who doesnt seem to know who wrote the Declaration/Constitution and the Pledge?
not as bad as democrats who need cue cards to recite the pledge.
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I would say that it doesn't hurt anything.
No cover-ups, just the truth...it's shouldn't matter anyway.
It might hurt Obama if he goes off and says something like how it's sad that the poor girl is being punished for her mistake.
What do you mean no cover ups.. They pulled her out of school 5 months ago claiming she had Mono. :lol
The "only" reason she came public was because of all the eRumors claiming the newest baby was the daughters. They had to go public to squash that rumor.
btw for those that think kids are off limits and the Dem's are just disgraceful...Well then lets not forget the gem John McCain himself said.
"Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly? Because her father is Janet Reno.”
– Sen. John McCain, speaking to a Republican dinner, June 1998
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If anything, it will humanize them even more.
:rofl
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What do you mean no cover ups.. They pulled her out of school 5 months ago claiming she had Mono. :lol
So, she's 5 months pregnant now. That means that they took her out of school right at the beginning of the pregnancy, according to you.
Do you have any links to the facts surrounding her being removed from school?
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You're having a baby too? :confused:
Nah.. I was bearding crockett in the other thread yesterday about the hysterical rumors and guessed that the next thing we'll hear will be Palin's daughter is pregnant by that ex-brother in law trooper.
I wuz half right..
And your half right.. my daughter gifted me with a granddaughter earlier this week.
LOL!
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So, she's 5 months pregnant now. That means that they took her out of school right at the beginning of the pregnancy, according to you.
Do you have any links to the facts surrounding her being removed from school?
They reportedly pulled her out of school for 5 months during her mother's pregnancy. That was one of the things that started the rumour that Palin wasn't Trig's mother. Obviously that rumour was false.
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not as bad as democrats who need cue cards to recite the pledge.
it was a serious question - I wouldnt know enough about the details to put a X in either box in a US election but the politics is fascinating to watch from the outside :)
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FWIW, the only thing I was laughing at is a neo-con (make no mistake, Palin is one...) being bit in the bellybutton by her own views. There's no humor in a 17 year old getting preggers, in fact, I find it laudable that she's keeping the child and marrying the father. It's the neo-con, "conservative" family-values that I'm getting a chuckle out of... Face reality already, kids like screwing, they're gonna do it. Be responsible and throw 'em some rubbers so their lust doesn't impact the rest of their life.
How is she being bit in the arse by her own views?
My son doesn't share my faith in God, in fact, he's a buddhist. Does that mean I got bit in the arse by my views? Of course not, it just means he has a mind of his own and exercised his own free will to make his own choices.
Bristol Palin made her own choices and, for better or worse, will face the consequences of those choices.
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17 years old and pregnant? Is it the first? Hell, out here she's old enough to be a grandma...
I really don't think a 17 year old getting pregnant is that catastrophic, nor does it warrant an abortion. Was she raped? Not as far as I know. Is she so young that the baby will suffer birth defects? No. Is there any expectance of a crippling disease or some other reason to terminate the baby? No. So how is she getting bit in the arse by her anti-abortion views?
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11. Are you offended by the phrase “Under God” in the Pledge of Allegiance? Why or why not?
SP: Not on your life. If it was good enough for the founding fathers, its good enough for me and I’ll fight in defense of our Pledge of Allegiance.
hehe,
written in 1892 by a Baptist minister. Which of the founding fathers was still alive? :D
Words "under God" added in 1954.
The words 'Under God' were added after a suggestion by the Knights of Columbus and it was their view that if the words were good enough for Lincoln to have used then in his Gettysburg Address... yada yada...
My view on this is that Palin is not too far off the path referring to Lincoln as a 'founding father' even though he was eighty years or so after the fact he was a founding father of the Republican Party (although the party today in no way resembles the original).
bsdaddict: define 'neo-con'
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Not a big deal.
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How is she being bit in the arse by her own views?
Ummm, by her family being an example for the world to see that "abstinence-only" sex-ed, which she supports, doesn't work.
My son doesn't share my faith in God, in fact, he's a buddhist. Does that mean I got bit in the arse by my views? Of course not, it just means he has a mind of his own and exercised his own free will to make his own choices.
Bristol Palin made her own choices and, for better or worse, will face the consequences of those choices.
So she chose to get preggers? I seriously doubt that. Come on, the politician parent stresses abstinence-only sex-ed and her kid gets pregnant. You don't see the irony in that? What if Bristol or her boyfriend happened to have a condom handy, don't you think there'd be one less pregnant minor in Alaska right now?
bsdaddict: define 'neo-con'
in a nutshell: big-government Republicanism. It's what's replaced traditional conservatism after the GOP started courting the religious right over the smaller gov't, lower taxes crowd.
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So she chose to get preggers? I seriously doubt that. Come on, the politician parent stresses abstinence-only sex-ed and her kid gets pregnant. You don't see the irony in that? What if Bristol or her boyfriend happened to have a condom handy, don't you think there'd be one less pregnant minor in Alaska right now?
I see the irony in it, but, um, do you REALLY think the lack of sex-ed in schools was the reason for it? Just because you don't sit through a 6-month class on what a contraceptive is doesn't mean you don't get the concept of "use a condom or get pregnant". With T.V. and the internet, 5-year-olds get the concept of brith control. Also worth noting is the fact that condoms AND the pill have been proven to be 97% effective. Whose to say this wasn't that extra 3%? Or, did the condom break? Trust me, it DOES happen, (And some brands have a tendency for it it seems...). They havn't published a press release on the nature of the intercourse leading to this, and I hope to god they do not, so we REALLY cannot say that it was this lack of sex-ed that led to this.
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Ummm, by her family being an example for the world to see that "abstinence-only" sex-ed, which she supports, doesn't work.
If abstinence is followed, it most certainly does work and is the only fool-proof form of birth control out there.
So she chose to get preggers? I seriously doubt that. Come on, the politician parent stresses abstinence-only sex-ed and her kid gets pregnant. You don't see the irony in that? What if Bristol or her boyfriend happened to have a condom handy, don't you think there'd be one less pregnant minor in Alaska right now?
She chose to have unprotected sex. She knew the risks and took them anyways. Her choice, now she is dealing with the consequences. No I don't see irony in that. It was choices that she made, choices that were contrary to what she had been taught by her parents that put her in the situation she is in now.
If they had wanted them, they could have purchased condoms at any drug store. Again, they chose to not do so. They made irresponsible decisions.
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You don't REALLY think they couldn't get a condom, do you?
Children of great parents do not ALWAYS toe the line. No one is perfect.
Anyone who is stupid enough to think sex education prevents pregnancy is stupid enough to think nutrition information on food prevents obesity. Handing out free condoms doesn't do it either. Just like giving junkies free clean needles doesn't stop Hepatitis or AIDS.
Face facts. No teenager with an IQ above 80 is so unaware as to not know that unprotected sex can lead to pregnancy and STDs. The truth is that teenagers believe "it is not going to happen to me". THAT is how it happens. Anyone who thinks otherwise is only fooling themselves.
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do you REALLY think the lack of sex-ed in schools was the reason for it?
I didn't go through sex-ed class and I never ended up getting anyone pregnant during school.
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If abstinence is followed, it most certainly does work and is the only fool-proof form of birth control out there.
Obviously.... the problem is, abstinence only education, which Palin supports, obviously does not work. I mean, if there was a case where it was going to, it would have been here.
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You don't REALLY think they couldn't get a condom, do you?
Children of great parents do not ALWAYS toe the line. No one is perfect.
Anyone who is stupid enough to think sex education prevents pregnancy is stupid enough to think nutrition information on food prevents obesity. Handing out free condoms doesn't do it either. Just like giving junkies free clean needles doesn't stop Hepatitis or AIDS.
Face facts. No teenager with an IQ above 80 is so unaware as to not know that unprotected sex can lead to pregnancy and STDs. The truth is that teenagers believe "it is not going to happen to me". THAT is how it happens. Anyone who thinks otherwise is only fooling themselves.
Well said. :salute
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I didn't go through sex-ed class and I never ended up getting anyone pregnant during school.
Exactly!
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Obviously.... the problem is, abstinence only education, which Palin supports, obviously does not work. I mean, if there was a case where it was going to, it would have been here.
It doesn't work because people give in to a very strong temptation. ;)
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11. Are you offended by the phrase “Under God” in the Pledge of Allegiance? Why or why not?
Sarah Palin: Not on your life. If it was good enough for the founding fathers, its good enough for me and I’ll fight in defense of our Pledge of Allegiance.
Excerpts from the Declaration of Independence:
"the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them"
"that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness"
"appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions"
"And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, "
I think it is pretty easy to see that the Founders did indeed put this nation "under God". Endowed, appealing and protection leave no other possible explanation except that the Founders felt there was a higher power over this nation and their work.
If one takes an objective view, there's nothing wrong with Palin's statement.
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Neither abstinence only nor explicit sex ed work. Or hadn't you noticed there a hell of a lot of unwed and/or teen mothers out there?
Does sex ed in the schools coupled with free condoms or birth control pills stop teen pregnancy? Obviously not.
Does abstinence only education stop teen pregnancy? Obviously not.
You guys are arguing like morons.
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Neither abstinence only nor explicit sex ed work. Or hadn't you noticed there a hell of a lot of unwed and/or teen mothers out there?
Does sex ed in the schools coupled with free condoms or birth control pills stop teen pregnancy? Obviously not.
Does abstinence only education stop teen pregnancy? Obviously not.
You guys are arguing like morons.
No education program is fool proof simply because kids *know it all*. Even the combined life experiences of their teachers and parents are trumped by the kids grand knowledge of all things. ;)
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Obviously.... the problem is, abstinence only education, which Palin supports, obviously does not work. I mean, if there was a case where it was going to, it would have been here.
Ding! Ding! and now here we have the winner. The entire reason this is a big deal is because of this very fact right here.
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Excellent, I love the way the Palin family is handling this.
Obama made a perfect statement regarding family being off limits as well. He has two young daughters, he knows whats at stake.
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Ding! Ding! and now here we have the winner. The entire reason this is a big deal is because of this very fact right here.
LOL.. porn-boy; lemme guess... if a sock could get pregnant, you'd be a puppet daddy of about a million?
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LOL.. porn-boy; lemme guess... if a sock could get pregnant, you'd be a puppet daddy of about a million?
I don't care who you are.....that is darn funny. :rofl
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Obviously.... the problem is, abstinence only education, which Palin supports, obviously does not work. I mean, if there was a case where it was going to, it would have been here.
Abstinence only is no less valid, and no less effective, than free condoms. The problem is teenagers like to do a lot of things that they have no business doing, but they do them anyway because they think they are invincible.
Teenagers love alcohol. Showing them all sorts of movies with blood and gore from alcohol related accidents doesn't stop them. Hell, seeing their own friends mangled bodies doesn't stop them.
This is only an issue at all because the Democrats desperately need to make an issue of it. Some teenagers, out of every group of any size, are going to have unprotected sex regardless of how they are raised and educated.
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Ding! Ding! and now here we have the winner. The entire reason this is a big deal is because of this very fact right here.
No, the only reason this MIGHT be a big deal is because some Democrats desperately NEED it to be a big deal, and will try their damnedest to MAKE a big deal of it. And you are one of them.
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No, the only reason this MIGHT be a big deal is because some Democrats desperately NEED it to be a big deal, and will try their damnedest to MAKE a big deal of it. And you are one of them.
Actually Obama told the press to back off the issue and to leave it alone. The people making it a issue are mostly on the internet across the various blogs and forums. I've been watching CNN on the hurricane most of the day and I've only seen the issue brought up once and it was just a quick mention with out much details.
lol but it is quite funny to hear the Republicans crying about someone making a issue out of something dumb. That's like the favorte move in the Republican play book.
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Excerpts from the Declaration of Independence:
I think it is pretty easy to see that the Founders did indeed put this nation "under God". Endowed, appealing and protection leave no other possible explanation except that the Founders felt there was a higher power over this nation and their work.
If one takes an objective view, there's nothing wrong with Palin's statement.
Yeah, except for the fact that many of the Founders were deists, not bible thumpers.
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Actually Obama told the press to back off the issue and to leave it alone. The people making it a issue are mostly on the internet across the various blogs and forums. I've been watching CNN on the hurricane most of the day and I've only seen the issue brought up once and it was just a quick mention with out much details.
lol but it is quite funny to hear the Republicans crying about someone making a issue out of something dumb. That's like the favorte move in the Republican play book.
Then why did YOU bring it here in the first place? Because you needed to make an issue of it. No one was fooled by your pitiful attempt to pretend we were going to have to drag it out of you, either.
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Then why did YOU bring it here in the first place? Because you needed to make an issue of it.
For the same reason he brought the false rumor about Sarah Palin covering for her daughter Bristol 4 months ago when Sarah actually gave birth. He needed to make an issue of it. ;)
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Yeah, except for the fact that many of the Founders were deists, not bible thumpers.
Okay maybe true not that I believe it. Name the only President that didnt mention God in his inaugural speech and give your explanation as to why he did not.
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Then why did YOU bring it here in the first place? Because you needed to make an issue of it. No one was fooled by your pitiful attempt to pretend we were going to have to drag it out of you, either.
When I brought it up the other day it was well before it hit the news and was only a eRumor. However I had a feeling it had legs but if you remember, I never brought up the actual topic. I just said their was a rumor out there involving her family that might not be good for her. Someone else posted the actual rumor, it was only after it posted that I added the details.
This is the exact same thing as when Al Gore got busted for having a crazy power bill while he was preaching about global warming. You guys went nuts over that here in the O club and rightly so because he was being a hypocrite. This is the same deal.. This woman is a avidly preaching about abstinence only should be the only thing taught in schools. This puts her in the same hypocrite status as Gore was in because her own daughter who was likely only 16 at the time got pregnant. Which shows how wrong the women is with her preaching the abstinence only policy.
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For the same reason he brought the false rumor about Sarah Palin covering for her daughter Bristol 4 months ago when Sarah actually gave birth. He needed to make an issue of it. ;)
I posted the info that was out there and it turned out to be pretty close to true.. Her daughter is pregnant.
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I posted the info that was out there and it turned out to be pretty close to true.. Her daughter is pregnant.
That is so far off I cannot even think of an analogy. Saying Sarah Palin covered for her daughter when having a child that turned out to have a disorder is NOTHING like going public with your daughter being pregnant.
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Yeah, except for the fact that many of the Founders were deists, not bible thumpers.
A few were ministers.
Check these names of signers of the Declaration: John Witherspoon, Robert Treat Paine, Lyman Hall
You may disparage the ministers as "bible thumpers" but the facts are the facts. Deist still believe in a supreme God of the universe. The vast majority of the Founders believed in God and had no problem with invoking God in the course of their governmental duties. They reference a Supreme Being in speeches, letters, Declarations of Independence, etc.
The first Senate, as one of its very first acts, hired a chaplain to open and close their sessions with a prayer.
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The first Senate, as one of its very first acts, hired a chaplain to open and close their sessions with a prayer.
The first instance of 'pork' funded by the senate. ;)
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The point is that deists believe God is revealed through reason and rationality, the others through faith or divine revelation. Deism is pretty foreign to the religiosity of most American Christians, and many ministers vilified it as a kind of atheism.
In conclusion, I'd say that the mainstream Christianity of today's politicians is antithetical to 18th century deism.
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I didn't go through sex-ed class and I never ended up getting anyone pregnant during school.
Yup! involuntary abstinence works!
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When I brought it up the other day it was well before it hit the news and was only a eRumor. However I had a feeling it had legs but if you remember, I never brought up the actual topic. I just said their was a rumor out there involving her family that might not be good for her. Someone else posted the actual rumor, it was only after it posted that I added the details.
You brought it here knowing exactly what would happen. You went looking for dirt and found an eRumor then posted that there was an eRumor. You knew that by posting it someone would go searching for it. It just happened to be me this time.
I posted the info that was out there and it turned out to be pretty close to true.. Her daughter is pregnant.
WRONG!
The original rumor was that Sarah Palin was actually raising her daughters child and had not been pregnant herself. How is that even close to the truth that Sarah Palin was in fact pregnant and gave birth to a boy with down syndrome? The fact that her daughter did turn out to be pregnant is a different story entirely since Sarah didn't cover up anything.
Which shows how wrong the women is with her preaching the abstinence only policy.
Abstinence can work and in fact is the only fool proof form of birth control if it is followed. Other forms of birth control work quite well also, but they have to actually be used as well. The fault isn't with the mother's teachings, it is with the child not following the teachings of her parent.
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This woman is a avidly preaching about abstinence only should be the only thing taught in schools. This puts her in the same hypocrite status as Gore was in because her own daughter who was likely only 16 at the time got pregnant. Which shows how wrong the women is with her preaching the abstinence only policy.
LOL. You're saying that Sarah Palin is a hypocrite because she believes abstinence should be taught in schools but her daughter got pregnant out of wedlock?
I'm betting you have no children in their teens.
Here's one you can save for later. No matter what YOU believe, no matter how well YOU think you raised your children they are going to do toejam you never, ever taught them and toejam you never ever believed.
Bristol getting knocked up doesn't make Palin a hypocrite. Bristol is her own person who obviously chose to disobey her parents with regards to premarital sex. Gee, that really puts the Palins in a unique category doesn't it?
I'm sure Sarah Palin still believes abstinence is the best policy. After all, if Bristol had followed it she wouldn't be pregnant now, would she?
However, your idea that because Bristol disregarded abstinence that makes Sarah a hypocrite is just............. too stupid for words.
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The point is that deists believe God is revealed through reason and rationality
In conclusion, I'd say that the mainstream Christianity of today's politicians is antithetical to 18th century deism.
Do me a favor and run down through the list of signers of the Declaration and signers of the Constitution and sort them into those that followed a particular religion and those that were Deists.
Let's see if most were traditionally religious, deists or atheists.
I'm betting we find the significant majority to be traditionally religious. How about you?
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Here's one you can save for later. No matter what YOU believe, no matter how well YOU think you raised your children they are going to do poop you never, ever taught them and poop you never ever believed.
Were truer words ever spoken by a mere mortal? :rock
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Do me a favor and run down through the list of signers of the Declaration and signers of the Constitution and sort them into those that followed a particular religion and those that were Deists.
Let's see if most were traditionally religious, deists or atheists.
I'm betting we find the significant majority to be traditionally religious. How about you?
I'll give you that one, and I can do so gladly in the case of the Declaration. Even Gouverneur Morris is often mentioned as a deist.
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Obviously.... the problem is, abstinence only education, which Palin supports, obviously does not work. I mean, if there was a case where it was going to, it would have been here.
Ding! Ding! and now here we have the winner. The entire reason this is a big deal is because of this very fact right here.
We have a winner only if we can show that the daughter had abstinance only education.
If she had education outside that box, then she had education about other ways and she made her choice. The choice of millions since our species began.
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Ah, so now you want to change it to who wrote the Declaration and the Constitution?
Tell me, do you think that each line of both documents were read and debated by the signatories before signing? Do you think things were changed or added during the discussions?
Or do you think both documents sprung pure and unchanged from the pen of the writer to the signing by the group?
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They reportedly pulled her out of school for 5 months during her mother's pregnancy. That was one of the things that started the rumour that Palin wasn't Trig's mother. Obviously that rumour was false.
Exactly....but crokett will still view her being removed from school as a cover-up for her being pregnant.
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You brought it here knowing exactly what would happen. You went looking for dirt and found an eRumor then posted that there was an eRumor. You knew that by posting it someone would go searching for it. It just happened to be me this time.
WRONG!
The original rumor was that Sarah Palin was actually raising her daughters child and had not been pregnant herself. How is that even close to the truth that Sarah Palin was in fact pregnant and gave birth to a boy with down syndrome? The fact that her daughter did turn out to be pregnant is a different story entirely since Sarah didn't cover up anything.
Abstinence can work and in fact is the only fool proof form of birth control if it is followed. Other forms of birth control work quite well also, but they have to actually be used as well. The fault isn't with the mother's teachings, it is with the child not following the teachings of her parent.
First off I didn't go looking for dirt anywhere.. it was posted on a webmaster forum I vist, so I dug around a bit to verify that there was some substance behind it prior to posting it here. I found reason to believe it was true and after that I posted there was a eRumor floating around. Given the info that was out there, it was very reasonable to suspect that the youngest baby was the daughters.
Actually if you want the current eRumors is it's still possible that the the youngest baby is still the daughters. The timing is still right for that daughter to have gotten pregnant a second time. Women are very fertile right after they have a kid, so the daughter could have very easily been ripe for a second one.
Then there is the eRumor that the daughters baby daddy is a 26 year old black man named Levi.. (now wouldn't that be funny) :rofl
Then of course there is the Dad has a DUI eRumor floating around, must have been partying with Jr Bush.
Now do I believe those eRumors lol well no, but hey you are crying about me posting rumors but at least I dug around and confirmed that it had some substance. I didn't just post some dumb rumor off a blog with out looking for facts myself.
On the last part... sure abstinence "can" work, but it sure as hell didn't work in this case now did it? This is the entire point, the mom don't want sex ed taught in school, she thinks a "abstinence only" policy should be taught in "public" schools along with the intelligent design BS. The very fact that her own daughter couldn't even manage to stay abstinent just proves how wrong her ideas for schools are.
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jeeze, crockett; fer a sock stuffer, you sure seem to be up on the fertility of teens. :devil
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On spot Toad!
:aok
Mac
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Exactly....but crokett will still view her being removed from school as a cover-up for her being pregnant.
...and how do you know it wasn't?
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...and how do you know it wasn't?
How do you know it was?
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Using Cheny's daughter's personal life as a target didn't help in the last election. Doing it with Palin's daughter this time probably won't help either.
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Ah, so now you want to change it to who wrote the Declaration and the Constitution?
Tell me, do you think that each line of both documents were read and debated by the signatories before signing? Do you think things were changed or added during the discussions?
Or do you think both documents sprung pure and unchanged from the pen of the writer to the signing by the group?
Toad, I can admit everything you suggest here, and my initial challenge to mainstream American Christians leaning on the founders still stands.
Our dialogue started with Palin's comment about it "being good enough for the founding fathers," well, the question is what is good enough for the founding fathers. Clearly, the content of the Declaration and the Constitution, which is better described as deistic, not fideistic.
I also said a lot of the founders were deists, and you challenged me with the fact that most were not. I admit that, but I think the most important founding fathers were.
Anyway, I don't expect to convince you with a simple back and forth over an internet bbs; but now you see my point of view, I see yours, and we can both read up on this topic further if it piques our interest.
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LOL. You're saying that Sarah Palin is a hypocrite because she believes abstinence should be taught in schools but her daughter got pregnant out of wedlock?
I'm betting you have no children in their teens.
Here's one you can save for later. No matter what YOU believe, no matter how well YOU think you raised your children they are going to do poop you never, ever taught them and poop you never ever believed.
Bristol getting knocked up doesn't make Palin a hypocrite. Bristol is her own person who obviously chose to disobey her parents with regards to premarital sex. Gee, that really puts the Palins in a unique category doesn't it?
I'm sure Sarah Palin still believes abstinence is the best policy. After all, if Bristol had followed it she wouldn't be pregnant now, would she?
However, your idea that because Bristol disregarded abstinence that makes Sarah a hypocrite is just............. too stupid for words.
It's not the point that she thinks "abstinence is the best policy" or not. I don't care what she thinks, hell I don't mind if that gets taught in school, it's a good idea to teach kids that. The ISSUE is the fact she think ONLY abstinence policy should be taught in school. So with that said it makes the fact that even her own daughter couldn't be abstinent a very REAL issue and shows just how wrong the women is on the subject.
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Given that in the 1700's people took their individual sect's principles and beliefs much more seriously than Americans do now, I think the documents had to be Deist. They couldn't have passed had they been perceived as favoring or highlighting one sect over another.
I think we both agree that religion and the concept of a God were integral to this Republic from the start, thus we really have nothing to disagree about.
Unlike the chowderheads that don't understand the First Amendment and Jefferson's letter to the Danbury Babptists. :)
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I said this in another thread about Governor Palin. It matters not who is running for VP the top job is the only one most people are going to the poles for. The only group that I see may change there minds about voting for the Republicans on this issue may be the ultra religious. I don't think the numbers who would be switched off on this topic would make a difference though.
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So having a 4 month old with down syndrome, and now a pregnant daughter. Might she be a little busy for the VP role? (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/rolleyes008.gif) (http://www.freesmileys.org)
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It's not the point that she thinks "abstinence is the best policy" or not. I don't care what she thinks, hell I don't mind if that gets taught in school, it's a good idea to teach kids that. The ISSUE is the fact she think ONLY abstinence policy should be taught in school. So with that said it makes the fact that even her own daughter couldn't be abstinent a very REAL issue and shows just how wrong the women is on the subject.
Do you know what abstinence means?
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Given that in the 1700's people took their individual sect's principles and beliefs much more seriously than Americans do now, I think the documents had to be Deist. They couldn't have passed had they been perceived as favoring or highlighting one sect over another.
Now that's an important point I hadn't thought about. :aok
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So having a 4 month old with down syndrome, and now a pregnant daughter. Might she be a little busy for the VP role? (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/rolleyes008.gif) (http://www.freesmileys.org)
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This would never be asked about a man.
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It really doesn't matter what policy regarding birth control the VP (or President for that matter) thinks is best to teach in school. Education curriculum is developed and run at the state level, not the federal. This is really a non issue and exemplifies making a mountain out of a molehill.
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very interesting, i see liberals so terrified of McCain being elected they grasp at any straw.
butbutbut, her daughter is pregnant
yo crockit, why don't you see if she cheated in basketball when she was in college.
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The ISSUE is the fact she think ONLY abstinence policy should be taught in school. So with that said it makes the fact that even her own daughter couldn't be abstinent a very REAL issue and shows just how wrong the women is on the subject.
Here, I'll type slowly for you.
The fact she thinks ONLY abstinence policy should be taught in school coupled with the fact that Bristol is pregnant out of wedlock DOES NOT make Sarah a hypocrite.
There is nothing one person can do that can make another person a hypocrite. See the definition of hypocrite.
There, that should handle the hypocrite part.
Now, the fact that even her own daughter couldn't be abstinent DOES NOT show just how wrong the women is on the subject.
What it shows is that Bristol chose to ignore the abstinence approach that her mother favors. That is all it shows. Nothing more, nothing less. When you finally have children that have gone through puberty, you will realize this.
The obvious counter to your argument would be if I gave an example of a teenager that got knocked up after going through an extensive sex education course in school which was reinforced by her parents, both of whom were strong believers in sex education.
Now we both know that there are unwed mothers that went through parentally supported sex education. Does that mean the parents were totally wrong supporting sex education?
Duh... obviously not. It means the teenager ignored her parent's & school's instructions and got knocked up.
Again, after you have teenagers you will probably understand this implicitly.
Tell me, when you reached puberty, did you have sex ed? What was your parent's position on premarital sex? Did you go ahead and get laid anyway? Did you ever have unprotected premarital sex?
I bet we ALL know the answer to that one because just about everyone of us did the same thing.
This is a non-issue for that very reason.
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Do you know what abstinence means?
If you knew the industry I worked in you would feel very dumb asking that question... :rolleyes:
As for Palin.. this is her views on sex ed and abstinence being taught in schools..
In 2006 candidate Palin said she would fund abstinence-only education programs in schools. "The explicit sex-ed programs," she added, "will not find my support." The stance, which reflected the priorities of the GOP, nevertheless led to an incredulous editorial in the Juneau Empire.
So if you guys can't admit is freaking ironic as hell that even her own daughter can't practice what the mom preaches. Well then you guys have have your head buried 5ft in the sand.
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very interesting, i see liberals so terrified of McCain being elected they grasp at any straw.
butbutbut, her daughter is pregnant
yo crockit, why don't you see if she cheated in basketball when she was in college.
Obama made it very clear that it shouldn't be an issue and that he will fire anyone in his camp who tries to make it one, fyi.
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very interesting, i see liberals so terrified of McCain being elected they grasp at any straw.
butbutbut, her daughter is pregnant
yo crockit, why don't you see if she cheated in basketball when she was in college.
No what's funny is anytime Obama blows his nose you right wing tards are in here are always whining and crying about it with 5 or 6 topics a day. Yet now there is 2 topics about Palin you guys cry and whine about that. As the saying goes... if you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen..
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Obama made it very clear that it shouldn't be an issue and that he will fire anyone in his camp who tries to make it one, fyi.
fyi, thats what he tells the media.
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GASP!!!
A teenage pregnany!!!
THE WORLD IS OVER!!!!!11111oneone
Game over, Osama wins! :rolleyes:
C'mon Libs, lets get back to real issues. Oh wait, you haven't got a chance with real issues.....
I lol'd
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If you knew the industry I worked in you would feel very dumb asking that question... :rolleyes:
As for Palin.. this is her views on sex ed and abstinence being taught in schools..
In 2006 candidate Palin said she would fund abstinence-only education programs in schools. "The explicit sex-ed programs," she added, "will not find my support." The stance, which reflected the priorities of the GOP, nevertheless led to an incredulous editorial in the Juneau Empire.
So if you guys can't admit is freaking ironic as hell that even her own daughter can't practice what the mom preaches. Well then you guys have have your head buried 5ft in the sand.
Do you have teen aged kids? If so, do you think you can keep track of every single thing they do each and every day? You do realize that they are their own person, capable of making their own decisions don't you? Kids are not computers you program to do things one way only. Kids are often rebellious and deliberately choose to violate the tenets their parents try to raise them by. If you do not now have teen aged kids you will be in for a rude awakening if you do have them.
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Well if it was obama's daughter, we know what he'd be in favor of.
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=18647
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GASP!!!
A teenage pregnany!!!
THE WORLD IS OVER!!!!!11111oneone
Game over, Osama wins! :rolleyes:
C'mon Libs, lets get back to real issues. Oh wait, you haven't got a chance with real issues.....
I lol'd
"Real Issues"... you mean like calling Obama a terrorist or claiming he's not a legal American or any of the other ramblings we see in the O club everyday. You right wingers sure have "very" selective short memories.
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Obama made it very clear that it shouldn't be an issue and that he will fire anyone in his camp who tries to make it one, fyi.
(http://www.jossip.com/gossip/Barack%20Obama%20-%20pointing.JPG)
Crockett.. yer fired.
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Obama made it very clear that it shouldn't be an issue and that he will fire anyone in his camp who tries to make it one, fyi.
So that's going to stop state party officials from running adds? I think not.
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Well if it was obama's daughter, we know what he'd be in favor of.
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=18647
Yep, dead baby. Infanticide.
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(http://www.jossip.com/gossip/Barack%20Obama%20-%20pointing.JPG)
Crockett.. yer fired.
:rofl :rofl
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So that's going to stop state party officials from running adds? I think not.
Eh, McCain and Obama do what they can to keep things civil. It's the ones not associated with either camp that make things nasty.
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Do you have teen aged kids? If so, do you think you can keep track of every single thing they do each and every day? You do realize that they are their own person, capable of making their own decisions don't you? Kids are not computers you program to do things one way only. Kids are often rebellious and deliberately choose to violate the tenets their parents try to raise them by. If you do not now have teen aged kids you will be in for a rude awakening if you do have them.
You are missing the point entirely. Yes kids will be kids and kids will undoubtedly do the best to embarrass their parents. The entire point you are missing is Palin won't fund schools that teach sex education because "she's" against it because of "her" personal religious views. She want "abstinence only" to be taught in "public" schools.
The very fact that her own daughter got pregnant out of wedlock just screams that teaching abstinence only DOES NOT WORK. She wants to force the abstinence only BS with out promoting proper sex ed in public schools. If she wanted to teach abstinence along side with normal sex ed then by all means more power to her..However it's the fact she is against normal sex ed that makes this whole deal a big issue.
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You are missing the point entirely. Yes kids will be kids and kids will undoubtedly do the best to embarrass their parents. The entire point you are missing is Palin won't fund schools that teach sex education because "she's" against it because of "her" personal religious views. She want "abstinence only" to be taught in "public" schools.
The very fact that her own daughter got pregnant out of wedlock just screams that teaching abstinence only DOES NOT WORK. She wants to force the abstinence only BS with out promoting proper sex ed in public schools. If she wanted to teach abstinence along side with normal sex ed then by all means more power to her..However it's the fact she is against normal sex ed that makes this whole deal a big issue.
LMAO How long have sex ed classes been taught? So I guess we can say "That screams sex ed classes don't work.".
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(http://www.jossip.com/gossip/Barack%20Obama%20-%20pointing.JPG)
Crockett.. yer fired.
:lol funny but he don't pay me.. I'd bash the women over this even if I was a McCain supporter. I can't stand when these Religious Right politicians try to push their "views" on everyone else using their power as politicians and I love it when their preaching blows up in their face.
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what is the rate of pregnancy in public schools that teach sex-ed?
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what is the rate of pregnancy in public schools that teach sex-ed?
It's lower than the ones that don't teach it. Typically per capita the lower population more religious area's have the highest birth rates among teens.
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:lol funny but he don't pay me.. I'd bash the women over this even if I was a McCain supporter. I can't stand when these Religious Right politicians try to push their "views" on everyone else using their power as politicians and I love it when their preaching blows up in their face.
You do know that Sarah Palin is ONE female human, meaning that she is a "womAn", singular, and not "the womEn", plural?
Actually, no, you probably don't know the difference. And no one is surprised.
I'm glad Obama "don't" pay you. If he did, he'd be even dumber than most of us think he is.
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It's lower than the ones that don't teach it. Typically per capita the lower population more religious area's have the highest birth rates among teens.
According to whom?
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It's lower than the ones that don't teach it. Typically per capita the lower population more religious area's have the highest birth rates among teens.
numbers, i need numbers not opinions
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The only group that I see may change there minds about voting for the Republicans on this issue may be the ultra religious.
I doubt that since it looks like they are getting married. now if they weren't then it might have an effect those voters.
No word on what kind of shotgun she's gonna following them down the aisle with???
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I doubt that since it looks like they are getting married. now if they weren't then it might have an effect those voters.
No word on what kind of shotgun she's gonna following them down the aisle with???
One of those real nice side by side coach guns. She bought it at one of those unregulated gun shows.
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The very fact that her own daughter got pregnant out of wedlock just screams that teaching abstinence only DOES NOT WORK
I beg to difer. I went to a private high school where abstinence was taught. During my time there not one girl ended up pregnant. The church my mom drug us to every sunday morning also taught abstinence and yet not one girl ended up pregnant during the 12 or so years we went there. Abstinence does work for those that adhere to it. It is incredibly difficult to become pregnant if you never have sex. ;)
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Welp, here are a few facts I ran across a couple of weeks back that deal with teenage pregnancy.
Prior to the 1960s, the rate of illegitimate pregnancies for unmarried black girls was around 20%, while the rate for white girls of the same age was in the low single digits.
Enter the sexual revolution, with its notions of free sex, free love, sex education, free condoms, and contempt for the old moral beliefs and sexual mores. Sex is everywhere, in books, magazines, radio, tv, and popular novels. Our kids are inundated with it. End result, pregnancy rates for unwed teenage girls have skyrocketed: the 20% rate for unwed black girls is now at 70%, and that of unwed white girls is at 20%.
Crockett, while you may laugh at the teaching of abstinence, it at least harkens back to a time when such religious based sexual behaviors actually worked. The more "modern" approach that you advocate has been an unmitigated disaster.
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It is incredibly difficult to become pregnant if you never have sex. ;)
There was that one "Mary" girl...
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numbers, i need numbers not opinions
This is what I've found.
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0193727.html
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr56/nvsr56_06.pdf
Birth ratesforteenagersvaryconsider ablybystate(Tables11
and B), butwhenmapped,adistinctpatternbecomesevident
(Figure 6). Birthratesforteenagerstendtob elowestintheNorth
and Northeast,andhighestintheSouthandSouthwest.These
spatial patternsarelargelyareflection ofeachstate’sraceand
Hispanic origincomposition.
Southern states seem to have higher birth rates than northern ones. That could be a function of ethnic population distribution though.
http://www.statehealthfacts.org/comparemaptable.jsp?ind=37&cat=2
I can't find one single reference to back up Crockett's previous statement about the lower population more religious area's have the highest birth rates among teens. In fact, religion isn't mentioned at all, and neither is population density.
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There was that one "Mary" girl...
Very true, however, that was a divine act and a miracle. :rock
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Very true, however, that was a divine act and a miracle. :rock
or just and old astrological story.
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So if you guys can't admit is freaking ironic
Stay tuned for As The Liberal Turns.......
First she was a hypocrite until you were shown you don't really know what that means, then she was wrong until you were shown that because a child doesn't follow a teaching it does not intrinsically mean the teaching is wrong and now it is ironic.
Would it have been ironic if Palin was in full support of explicit sex ed in the schools and this child got pregnant? There's your test. If you can flip it to the other side of your argument and it would still be true you have a case.
So, direct question to you: Would it have been ironic if Palin was in full support of explicit sex ed in the schools and this child got pregnant?
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The very fact that her own daughter got pregnant out of wedlock just screams that teaching abstinence only DOES NOT WORK.
Does the fact that daughters get pregnant after going through explicit school programs on sex education scream that teaching explicit sex ed in schools DOES NOT WORK?
You're not putting your best foot forward here.
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The very fact that her own daughter got pregnant out of wedlock just screams that teaching abstinence only DOES NOT WORK.
NEITHER DOES SEX-ED!
So let's not teach anything about the subject and leave it up the parents to teach the kids.
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Stay tuned for As The Liberal Turns.....
I lol'd at that one. :lol
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:lol funny but he don't pay me.. I'd bash the women over this even if I was a McCain supporter. I can't stand when these Religious Right politicians try to push their "views" on everyone else using their power as politicians and I love it when their preaching blows up in their face.
ahhhhhhhhhhhhh.. but he does pay you. Yer a porn dealer.. you owe your existence to 'the party'. I can understand your prurient 'interest' tho.. I wonder how many smut films you sell have the word 'teen' in their meta tags?
Next... got any links on her preaching a holier-than-thou agenda? Last I checked, this is the 'religious right politician' that granted gays and lesbians equal protection under the law. Sounds real preachy to me.
Now, what in hell are you still doing here? Dontcha have a hershey highway screen epic to film? I mean when yer not otherwise engaged in muck raking for jack-ass party?
I can't find one single reference to back up Crockett's previous statement about the lower population more religious area's have the highest birth rates among teens. In fact, religion isn't mentioned at all, and neither is population density.
Not to worry.. he's likely got the actual act of pulling this outta some other liberal bellybutton documented on film.
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So let's not teach anything about the subject and leave it up the parents to teach the kids.
That's exactly where it should be taught. My wife has already had the *talk* with our oldest daughter, she knows how babies are made and how to prevent them. We'll see how she turns out.
My son was living with his mother and went through sex-ed classes, he got a girl pregnant while still a teen. (No one had the *talk* with him, it was left to the sex-ed classes)
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Looks as if Governor Palin has some new issues to deal with now. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/cvn_palin_troopergate
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or just and old astrological story.
How is Mary becoming pregnant an astrological story? :huh
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My son was living with his mother and went through sex-ed classes, he got a girl pregnant while still a teen. (No one had the *talk* with him, it was left to the sex-ed classes)
My goodness! Doesn't that just SCREAM that sex-ed classes DON'T WORK?
:rofl
<not making fun of your son here, but you knew that>
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Looks as if Governor Palin has some new issues to deal with now. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/cvn_palin_troopergate
Nothing new about that, except the hiring of the attorney and that was already mentioned in the other thread......sorry, you're a bit late on this one. :D
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Crockett is a porn dealer? Makes sense; he's probably trying to sell a series of sex-ed videos featuring his stable of bimbos to the Alaskan Dept. of Education, thus the anti-Palin animosity.
:rofl
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My goodness! Doesn't that just SCREAM that sex-ed classes DON'T WORK?
ROFL!
EXACTLY!! :rofl
And yes, I knew that. ;)
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Crockett is a porn dealer?
Hang has said that several times now and Crockett hasn't denied it soooo......I guess it must be true. ;)
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Hang has said that several times now and Crockett hasn't denied it soooo......I guess it must be true. ;)
I hear he's hiring a lawyer.
:D
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I hear he's hiring a lawyer.
:D
:rofl :rofl :rofl
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Whats wrong with being a porn dealer
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Whats wrong with being a porn dealer
The same thing that's wrong with being a hypocrite.
hyp·o·crite
1. a person who pretends to have virtues, moral or religious beliefs, principles, etc., that he or she does not actually possess, esp. a person whose actions belie stated beliefs.
2. a person who feigns some desirable or publicly approved attitude, esp. one whose private life, opinions, or statements belie his or her public statements.
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Great... now Palin is gonna be a Milf, a Gilf, (maybe) a VPilf and last but not least, a GMilf... Is there no end to this chicks ilfness???? :rock
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The same thing that's wrong with being a hypocrite.
hyp·o·crite
1. a person who pretends to have virtues, moral or religious beliefs, principles, etc., that he or she does not actually possess, esp. a person whose actions belie stated beliefs.
2. a person who feigns some desirable or publicly approved attitude, esp. one whose private life, opinions, or statements belie his or her public statements.
A lil' analytical even for you, no? Just point him to one of your many and various threads. He'll define it for himself.
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I don't know what the teen pregnancy rate is in Alaska, but I wouldn't be surprised if it is far above the rate in the continental US. Small isolated towns, few activities for kids.
Like guns and drive-by's
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Whats wrong with being a porn dealer
Could you, now this is a hypothetical question.............could you poor piss out of a boot with the instructions written on the heel?
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NEITHER DOES SEX-ED!
So let's not teach anything about the subject and leave it up the parents to teach the kids.
Well I think the science of sex education should be taught, most parents would not know all the things that need to be brought up in reproduction. The big difference I have seen here in the USA & the rest of the world is that sex education is perceived as encouraging kids to go out & try it.
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.....could you poor piss out of a boot with the instructions written on the heel?
:rofl sounds like something my grandfather would have said...
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Well I think the science of sex education should be taught, most parents would not know all the things that need to be brought up in reproduction. The big difference I have seen here in the USA & the rest of the world is that sex education is perceived as encouraging kids to go out & try it.
The 'science' of sex ed is evolutionarly abundant. It's called the ever so accessible internet. You do it, Hangtime does it (or has twice) and so do your kids. It's society, and surely even the most mundane poster in the 'whatever' club' realizes it. What is amazing, and borderline Dateline was here, honey, is the fever/excitement it arouses in the community, you hold, at-large. ;)
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Well I think the science of sex education should be taught, most parents would not know all the things that need to be brought up in reproduction.
What happened before sex education existed?
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What happened before sex education existed?
John McCain.
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Well I think the science of sex education should be taught, most parents would not know all the things that need to be brought up in reproduction. The big difference I have seen here in the USA & the rest of the world is that sex education is perceived as encouraging kids to go out & try it.
Put a bunch of teenagers in a room and talk about how not to get pregnant, what do you think they will be thinking about the rest of the day (at least).
Sex ed , IMHO, should be taught at home, not at school.
It is not the government's job.
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Sex ed , IMHO, should be taught at home, not at school.
It is not the government's job.
Society should determine this. The reason the school system around here started teaching sexual education was because parents were not doing this. It is better to be taught in the schools as part of human biology. It SHOULD NOT be taught to infants and toddlers.
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Society should determine this. The reason the school system around here started teaching sexual education was because parents were not doing this. It is better to be taught in the schools as part of human biology. It SHOULD NOT be taught to infants and toddlers.
Sense u no make.
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I hear he's hiring a lawyer.
:D
:lol You crack me up Hang. :rofl
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This would never be asked about a man.
Yawn... Save me the sexiest equal rights crap. New baby is hard work for any parent let alone one with down syndrome,today and all the years to come. Plus if your going to get that simple, man doesn't have tits so unless you want the kid to grow up on formula mum has to be around on a regular basis.
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You know what's interesting and actually relevant about this...
Apparently John McCain picked Palin knowing there would be a fairly great chance that this would come out. I bet, the more the media bleets, and the more the obamabots screech, the more the rest of America will be turned off. Especially those that think it's not public business.
See, you get these gleeful emotional attacks that frankly are driven by a hatred of Bush, but that manifest themselves in the public humiliation of a 17-year old girl who screwed up. Now, for the people who are gleeful, well, it's not like this was the tie breaker in who they will vote for. They could come in and find Obama sodomizing their dog and find ways to brush it off or excuse it just like many Bush supporters could for many years. But, I can imagine for those more moderate the tone of the upcoming campaign months might switch a few for McCain (in addition to energizing the base) or just make them stay home on election day. Particularly the Hillery set. And particularly if the media gets desperate if the numbers really start to swing.
Charon
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You know what's interesting and actually relevant about this...
Apparently John McCain picked Palin knowing there would be a fairly great chance that this would come out. I bet, the more the media bleets, and the more the obamabots screech, the more the rest of America will be turned off. Especially those that think it's not public business.
See, you get these gleeful emotional attacks that frankly are driven by a hatred of Bush, but that manifest themselves in the public humiliation of a 17-year old girl who screwed up. Now, for the people who are gleeful, well, it's not like this was the tie breaker in who they will vote for. They could come in and find Obama sodomizing their dog and find ways to brush it off or excuse it just like many Bush supporters could for many years. But, I can imagine for those more moderate the tone of the upcoming campaign months might switch a few for McCain (in addition to energizing the base) or just make them stay home on election day. Particularly the Hillery set. And particularly if the media gets desperate if the numbers really start to swing.
Charon
Liberal much? ;)
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You know what's interesting and actually relevant about this...
Apparently John McCain picked Palin knowing there would be a fairly great chance that this would come out. I bet, the more the media bleets, and the more the obamabots screech, the more the rest of America will be turned off. Especially those that think it's not public business.
See, you get these gleeful emotional attacks that frankly are driven by a hatred of Bush, but that manifest themselves in the public humiliation of a 17-year old girl who screwed up. Now, for the people who are gleeful, well, it's not like this was the tie breaker in who they will vote for. They could come in and find Obama sodomizing their dog and find ways to brush it off or excuse it just like many Bush supporters could for many years. But, I can imagine for those more moderate the tone of the upcoming campaign months might switch a few for McCain (in addition to energizing the base) or just make them stay home on election day. Particularly the Hillery set. And particularly if the media gets desperate if the numbers really start to swing.
Charon
I would ask you this, Charon; How many voters' might think of Sarah Palin after letting her own daughter being used for a simple election strategy? What would that say about her character? Is it that she was that stupid to let it happen? Or is she so calous and cold, that her daughters' well being comes in second place to political aspiration? And that could also carry over to McCain...especially if it hits the press that this was part of McCains' planning.
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Sense u no make.
lobotomy in your medical records.
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lobotomy in your medical records.
Yeag, the guy is some kind of manic depressive poster boi... last night i watched him change posts about 6 times.... every one of his cute one-liner comebacks edited, over, and over...
I sat back in my chair, watching... laughing my bellybutton off, wondering what kinda pharmaceutical cocktail he flies on. What frosts his cupcakes the most is talking about him.. but not replying directly to his trolls.
heheheheh... gawd, whatta chump!
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Yeah.....a bbs reject going through another account.
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Yeag, the guy is some kind of manic depressive poster boi... last night i watched him change posts about 6 times.... every one of his cute one-liner comebacks edited, over, and over...
I sat back in my chair, watching... laughing my bellybutton off, wondering what kinda pharmaceutical cocktail he flies on. What frosts his cupcakes the most is talking about him.. but not replying directly to his trolls.
heheheheh... gawd, whatta chump!
No garden to tend to, no nap's to take; just diehard independent cyber imperialism. I'm impressed.
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Yeah.....a bbs reject going through another account.
Most likely... it's like dealing with yer neighbors kid when they go thru the smart-ass phase... for about 12 years.
'Boy, yer daddy messed up, seems you got shortchanged on the weekly beatings. What? No daddy? G'wan home and tell yer mother she's guilty of two errors in judgment... and one of 'em was you.'
;)
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Most likely... it's like dealing with yer neighbors kid when they go thru the smart-ass phase... for about 12 years.
'Boy, yer daddy messed up, seems you got shortchanged on the weekly beatings. What? No daddy? G'wan home and tell yer mother she's guilty of two errors in judgment... and one of 'em was you.'
;)
Just so everyone can read it again. ;)
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Yeah.....a bbs reject going through another account.
If I was a betting man.....I'd bet the farm on that one. :rock
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Put a bunch of teenagers in a room and talk about how not to get pregnant, what do you think they will be thinking about the rest of the day (at least).
Sex ed , IMHO, should be taught at home, not at school.
It is not the government's job.
You're kidding yourself if you think teenagers aren't thinking about sex at least 50% of the time anyway, mate. Sex ed is not going to increase that, it will only give them a clue.
Also, sex ed shouldn't just be about contraception it should also go into graphic detail about sexually transmitted infections. It astounds me how little people know about what you can catch, how you catch it and what (if anything) you can do about it.
If horny kids were armed with the full and correct information about STIs they may think twice.
Leaving it up to the parents may work for the level-headed and educated parents but let's face it.... there are just way too many idiots with reproductive organs out there.
Kids should not be disadvantage by having prudish or stupid parents. Those kids will be the ones that get herpes or get knocked up.
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Just so everyone can read it again. ;)
Are you done trolling yet?
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If horny kids were armed with the full and correct information about STIs they may think twice.
It doesn't help with teenage drinking......
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Most likely... it's like dealing with yer neighbors kid when they go thru the smart-ass phase... for about 12 years.
'Boy, yer daddy messed up, seems you got shortchanged on the weekly beatings. What? No daddy? G'wan home and tell yer mother she's guilty of two errors in judgment... and one of 'em was you.'
;)
On the other hand, he has what looks to be Neil Young's pic in his avatar, so that gets him + points :aok
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What happened before sex education existed?
we called it on the job training. :lol
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Now this is getting funny.. the liberal metrosexuals here are slamming Palin and calling her daughter a slut cause she had sex out of wedlock and got pregnant?
First they were all upset because Mccain picked a woman running mate... to be fair... they were upset because she was not a ghetto speaking shrill lesbo commie sooooo.. not a real woman.
and... Bsd is taking every shot he can at republicans even tho they are closer to libertarians than the democrats he wants to help... pure sour grapes..
a fun election at last...
I was bored but with it and Mccain.. but... the old guy is good for a few twists and turns. Just watching the metrosexual socialists on this board do their mean and bitter jon stewart imitations is priceless.
lazs
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and bsd.. don't you find it also ironic that you.. a libertarian supposedly... support bigger and more intrusive schools in the fact that you want them to teach sex education and hand out condoms?
How bout if the teach math and science... hell.. with public schools if they even got half the kids to read and write before they graduated they would be doing a lot better.
Why do you advocate school as mommy?
lazs
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11 pages because a bored teenager did something bored teenagers have done since the dawn of time? this common event is news during a historical presidential campaign?
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lol rgr that who cares :D
11 pages because a bored teenager did something bored teenagers have done since the dawn of time? this common event is news during a historical presidential campaign?
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The very fact that her own daughter got pregnant out of wedlock just screams that teaching abstinence only DOES NOT WORK.
You can't be serious ... just because her daughter chose to not heed her advise ... the "abstinence" course is a complete failure. You can't be nieve enough to think that any "course" will result in 100% compliance.
Do uou know for a fact that teaching "abstinence only" hasn't, in fact, preventing thousands of teen girls to not get pregnant ?
I was a father at 21 ... I have 5 children ... and despite my real-life fatherly advise given to them thru all their teenage years ... 2 followed my path. As Toad and others have pointed out, some will do what they want to do ... despite strong and sound advise.
This whole hub-bub over her daughters pregnancy is truly laughable, and continues to prove to me that politics within the US is all about "dirt", rather than "issues" ... which is really sad.
Anybody who does think that this is an "issue" that deserves the amount of attention that it is getting, and is an integral part of deciding who should and should not be elected ... really shouldn't be allowed to vote.
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....I don't want my daughters punished with a baby!... -Obama '08
I guess that would be the better choice.
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I used to love ABC news, mainly for Peter Jennings work. Last night I lost a lot of respect for their reporting. I was flipping through the channels and Charles Gibson was doing 20/20 on Gustav. He said something along the lines of talking about two storms, Gustav passed and Hannah forming, and the Palin's daughter issue. This was the frosting on the cake for last week's orgasm Charles was having on the Nightly news over replaying Obama's speech etc etc.
Let's have some respect. I think the hurricane victims trump a prego teen any day. :rolleyes:
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26501863
"Among other less attention-grabbing news of the day: it was learned that Ms. Palin now has a private lawyer in a legislative ethics investigation in Alaska into whether she abused her power in dismissing the state’s public safety commissioner; that she was a member for two years in the 1990s of the Alaska Independence Party, which has at times sought a vote on whether the state should secede; and that Mr. Palin was arrested 22 years ago on a drunken-driving charge"
And this is a Mccain heart attack away from keeping the country united?
I'm not a big Romney fan, kinda dislike him, but he is a fiscal conservative and , imo, would have been the better choice
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just keep throwing mud, maybe people will forget all about all of obama's friends.
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that she was a member for two years in the 1990s of the Alaska Independence Party, which has at times sought a vote on whether the state should secede;
Damn, at first I just thought she was interesting and would liven things up in this dreadfully boring race towards socialism between McC and The Obamessiah.
With this bit of info, though, I'm thinking of skipping Bob Barr and the Libertarians and just writing Palin in for President.
This is EXACTLY the mindset we need in DC. It's clear she realizes the current Federal government has grown far beyond what the Founders envisioned and is far too intrusive into daily American life.
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It doesn't help with teenage drinking......
That's all tied up in teen angst and rebellion though, isn't it?
Kids don't drink because they enjoy a fine Scotch or a delicious beer, do they? They do it because it's bad and they want to get chit-faced and get wild.
The effects of alcohol abuse are considerably easier to overlook, particularly since the effects will not be immediately evident.
Having scabs on your face/junk because you jumped in the sack with a slut (male or female, to be fair to both sexes) is just a little closer to home.
It doesn't even have to be a promiscuous little blighter, it could be some unfortunate soul who picked up the virus as a young child..... Get it and you've still got it for life.
I am stunned by the utter lack of knowledge on the topic by my generation (20 - 25 years old) and I believe that had the risks and consequences of casual sex with multiple partners been explicitly outlined when we were younger some of the people I know might have escaped the situations they are in now.
I was lucky enough to learn all of this and find the woman I want to spend the rest of my life with early in life but I am the only person I know that is in such a position. I do not see how providing teens with information on the infections and diseases they can contract could have a negative effect.
Pregnancy has a solution (regardless of weather or you agree with that).... some STIs don't. Different ball game with absolutely no solution.
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Liberal much? :)
On the socially conservative issues I actually am :) But, that goes with being libertarian leaning. I disagree with Palin on a lot of her views, but she does seem to be able to set those aside more often than not (unlike many) where actual policy is concerned. She seems, though I haven't really dug into it yet, to be somewhat libertarian and Constitutional in her governance.
I would ask you this, Charon; How many voters' might think of Sarah Palin after letting her own daughter being used for a simple election strategy? What would that say about her character? Is it that she was that stupid to let it happen? Or is she so calous and cold, that her daughters' well being comes in second place to political aspiration? And that could also carry over to McCain...especially if it hits the press that this was part of McCains' planning.
Didn't say it was part of a master plan. Simply when going through the vetting process this certainly came up and I am sure it was obvious it would be "big news" and the campaign made an analysis of the relative risks associated with the issue and found them to be neutral or even positive depending upon the Democratic and media reaction. The same with "Trooper gate."
As for her daughter's well being... she's 17 years old. There were kids in my basic training cycle who were 17 years old. She is pretty much an adult. Her daughter made decisions that will impact her life forever. I'm sure the family will support Bristol, but this is mainly her daughter's problem and not her mother's. As you become a young adult you become responsible for your actions, and it sounds like Bristol is taking responsibility for those actions. I can't see why her mother should say, "Sorry John, I can't be VP because my daughter is pregnant and is getting married to the baby's father and getting on with the life she has made for herself with our support as needed."
Charon
Charon
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26501863
"Among other less attention-grabbing news of the day: it was learned that Ms. Palin now has a private lawyer in a legislative ethics investigation in Alaska into whether she abused her power in dismissing the state’s public safety commissioner; that she was a member for two years in the 1990s of the Alaska Independence Party, which has at times sought a vote on whether the state should secede; and that Mr. Palin was arrested 22 years ago on a drunken-driving charge"
And this is a Mccain heart attack away from keeping the country united?
I'm not a big Romney fan, kinda dislike him, but he is a fiscal conservative and , imo, would have been the better choice
WOW !!! ... thanks for that ... that just changed my mind ... burn her at the stake ... :rofl
There is some real "straw reachin" going on around here.
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the dems are just mad that she is not getting an abortion .. you know "family planning" dumbarsecrat style ...
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It's not the point that she thinks "abstinence is the best policy" or not. I don't care what she thinks, hell I don't mind if that gets taught in school, it's a good idea to teach kids that. The ISSUE is the fact she think ONLY abstinence policy should be taught in school. So with that said it makes the fact that even her own daughter couldn't be abstinent a very REAL issue and shows just how wrong the women is on the subject.
Many kids fail Algebra.
Is it your contention that Algebra education is futile and it should no longer be taught?
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"Bristol and the young man she will marry are going to realize very quickly the difficulties of raising a child, which is why they will have the love and support of our entire family. We ask the media to respect our daughter and Levi's privacy as has always been the tradition of children of candidates," the Palin family statement concluded.
Only uggly thing in this case, is the fact that the "young man" dont want to marry Bristol.
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Only uggly thing in this case, is the fact that the "young man" dont want to marry Bristol.
Marry her or not, he is about to find out he is on the hook for at least 18 years.
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Marry her or not, he is about to find out he is on the hook for at least 18 years.
The key words here ... "at least".
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Marry her or not, he is about to find out he is on the hook for at least 18 years.
And so is she
lol, kinda reminds me of a married with children episode, when Al was talking about his shotgun wedding
"I should have just took both barrels in the back"
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Put a bunch of teenagers in a room and talk about how not to get pregnant, what do you think they will be thinking about the rest of the day (at least).
Sex ed , IMHO, should be taught at home, not at school.
It is not the government's job.
Another Wise comment...lolol...but it is the Government's responsibility to give
out welfare,food stamps,free heath care, to single moms that irresponsibly
have kids by mistake?? Where does this thinking come from??
God there are a bunch of ignorant people out there.
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and... Bsd is taking every shot he can at republicans even tho they are closer to libertarians than the democrats he wants to help... pure sour grapes..
there might be a bit of truth to that, the sour grapes part at least... After all, it's the conservative right that I feel betrayed by, not the liberal left. I dunno where you're getting that I'm trying to help the Dems though, if anything I'd like more people to "waste" their votes with me and not vote for either...
and bsd.. don't you find it also ironic that you.. a libertarian supposedly... support bigger and more intrusive schools in the fact that you want them to teach sex education and hand out condoms?
How bout if the teach math and science... hell.. with public schools if they even got half the kids to read and write before they graduated they would be doing a lot better.
Why do you advocate school as mommy?
lazs
You're putting words in my mouth. Of course the parents have the ultimate responsibility to teach their kids about sex. However, if there's going to be any sort of sex-ed in schools it should be based on effectiveness, not ideology.
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there might be a bit of truth to that, the sour grapes part at least... After all, it's the conservative right that I feel betrayed by, not the liberal left. I dunno where you're getting that I'm trying to help the Dems though, if anything I'd like more people to "waste" their votes with me and not vote for either...
I'd say you should feel more betrayed by the liberals for such a wonderfully popular congress and putting forth the dilrod they have for president.
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I'd say you should feel more betrayed by the liberals for such a wonderfully popular congress and putting forth the dilrod they have for president.
dunno about that... I was raised in a conservative, Republican household and have pretty much always been opposed to big gov't liberals. They haven't changed their tune all that much and I never supported their agenda, so what's to feel betrayed about? It's the GOP that's abandoned it's traditional stance, that plays lip service to constitutional ideals and fiscal conservatism while, in practice, growing the fedgov as much, if not more so, than the opposition. That's why I feel betrayed by the right...
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Welp, here are a few facts I ran across a couple of weeks back that deal with teenage pregnancy.
Prior to the 1960s, the rate of illegitimate pregnancies for unmarried black girls was around 20%, while the rate for white girls of the same age was in the low single digits.
Enter the sexual revolution, with its notions of free sex, free love, sex education, free condoms, and contempt for the old moral beliefs and sexual mores. Sex is everywhere, in books, magazines, radio, tv, and popular novels. Our kids are inundated with it. End result, pregnancy rates for unwed teenage girls have skyrocketed: the 20% rate for unwed black girls is now at 70%, and that of unwed white girls is at 20%.
Crockett, while you may laugh at the teaching of abstinence, it at least harkens back to a time when such religious based sexual behaviors actually worked. The more "modern" approach that you advocate has been an unmitigated disaster.
Yet in that same time period that you talk about, black people couldn't vote and had to use different rest rooms or sit in the back of the bus. It wasn't too long before that, that women couldn't vote and remember you surly wouldn't have found a women in the work force.. Their duty was to stay at home.
Guess what times have changed, we aren't the same people we were back then for either the good or the bad. With that reasoning you could very well say it's because there are few stay at hom,e moms these days. Using the very same reasoning you just used, we could turn around and say the fact Palin isn't a stay at home mom is the reason her daughter got preggo.
In short you can't cherry pick from one thing and claim it's because of this reason or that, sorry it just don't work like that because there is always another thing to blame.
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ahhhhhhhhhhhhh.. but he does pay you. Yer a porn dealer.. you owe your existence to 'the party'. I can understand your prurient 'interest' tho.. I wonder how many smut films you sell have the word 'teen' in their meta tags?
Next... got any links on her preaching a holier-than-thou agenda? Last I checked, this is the 'religious right politician' that granted gays and lesbians equal protection under the law. Sounds real preachy to me.
Now, what in hell are you still doing here? Dontcha have a hershey highway screen epic to film? I mean when yer not otherwise engaged in muck raking for jack-ass party?
Not to worry.. he's likely got the actual act of pulling this outta some other liberal bellybutton documented on film.
lol sorry I don't deal "gay" porn.. If I did then yea I'd likely own my income to Republicans.. :rofl
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The same thing that's wrong with being a hypocrite.
hyp·o·crite
1. a person who pretends to have virtues, moral or religious beliefs, principles, etc., that he or she does not actually possess, esp. a person whose actions belie stated beliefs.
2. a person who feigns some desirable or publicly approved attitude, esp. one whose private life, opinions, or statements belie his or her public statements.
Actually.. you are just like most of the brainwashed right wing.. you think morals only apply to religious beliefs and going to church or praying rather than actions.
Morality doesn't mean relgion alone but you guys hijack the meaning to "try" to make it sound like morals are one and the same with relgious beliefs. Morality is your manners, behavior and character.
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Yet in that same time period that you talk about, black people couldn't vote and had to use different rest rooms or sit in the back of the bus. It wasn't too long before that, that women couldn't vote and remember you surly wouldn't have found a women in the work force.. Their duty was to stay at home.
Guess what times have changed, we aren't the same people we were back then for either the good or the bad. With that reasoning you could very well say it's because there are few stay at hom,e moms these days. Using the very same reasoning you just used, we could turn around and say the fact Palin isn't a stay at home mom is the reason her daughter got preggo.
In short you can't cherry pick from one thing and claim it's because of this reason or that, sorry it just don't work like that because there is always another thing to blame.
Ummm .. blacks have been voting since the 17th amendment (1870) and women have been voting since the 19th amendment (1920) ... those dates aren't anywhere near, time wise, the 1960s.
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Actually.. you are just like most of the brainwashed right wing
Hang has you beat in every respect, in every regard. you need to learn some manners and respect your elders, even here where it matters not a wit :aok
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Another Wise comment...lolol...but it is the Government's responsibility to give
out welfare,food stamps,free heath care, to single moms that irresponsibly
have kids by mistake?? Where does this thinking come from??
God there are a bunch of ignorant people out there.
I don't see in my opinion where I advocate any of the above.
BTW, I don't.
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Ummm .. blacks have been voting since the 17th amendment (1870) and women have been voting since the 19th amendment (1920) ... those dates aren't anywhere near, time wise, the 1960s.
It still doesn't negate the fact that until the 60's they had to ride on the back of the bus and use different rest rooms, ect ect. And before the 60's women were largely expected to stay at home and raise the kids and do the laundry.
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Hang has you beat in every respect, in every regard. you need to learn some manners and respect your elders, even here where it matters not a wit :aok
You need to learn to quit making assumptions. :aok
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It still doesn't negate the fact that until the 60's they had to ride on the back of the bus and use different rest rooms, ect ect. And before the 60's women were largely expected to stay at home and raise the kids and do the laundry.
Rosa Louise McCauley Parks (February 4, 1913 – October 24, 2005) was an African American civil rights activist whom the U.S. Congress later called "Mother of the Modern-Day Civil Rights Movement".
On December 1, 1955 in Montgomery, Alabama, Parks refused to obey bus driver James Blake's order that she give up her seat to make room for a white passenger. Her action was not the first of its kind: Irene Morgan, in 1946, and Sarah Louise Keys, in 1955, had won rulings before the Supreme Court and the Interstate Commerce Commission respectively in the area of interstate bus travel. But unlike these previous individual actions of civil disobedience, Parks' action sparked the Montgomery Bus Boycott. This movement turned Parks into an international icon of resistance to racial segregation and launched boycott leader Martin Luther King, Jr. to national prominence in the civil rights movement. Parks eventually received honors ranging from the 1979 Spingarn Medal to a posthumous statue in the United States Capitol's National Statuary Hall.
50's not the 60's History..... learn it, love it, or be doomed to repeat it.
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crock-it... I would say that sex education in school and planned parenthood and abortion has caused more harm than good if you take pregnancy rates then vs now.
Bsd.. yep.. that is how you come off.. just as kids scream "I hate you" to their parents from time to time. Your real enemy is the liberal socialist metrosexuals. I understand that you are angry with the republicans and feel betrayed but it has been a slow process and will take time to get back on track... Palin is a huge step in the right direction.. why so mean and glum? Hell.. I told ya at the time that you were wasting your time and money and getting all worked up and setting yourself up for a big ron paul hangover.
As for effective... what is the most effective form of birth control to you? I think that should be mentioned in any sex education eh?
lazs
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Bsd.. yep.. that is how you come off.. just as kids scream "I hate you" to their parents from time to time. Your real enemy is the liberal socialist metrosexuals. I understand that you are angry with the republicans and feel betrayed but it has been a slow process and will take time to get back on track... Palin is a huge step in the right direction.. why so mean and glum? Hell.. I told ya at the time that you were wasting your time and money and getting all worked up and setting yourself up for a big ron paul hangover.
As for effective... what is the most effective form of birth control to you? I think that should be mentioned in any sex education eh?
actually, my "real enemy" is politicians who disregard the Constitution, regardless of what side of the aisle they sit on. The right is just as selective about their adherence to Constitutional principles as the left is; they both support the Constitution if and when it supports their agendas. I don't see Palin as a "huge step" in the right direction. A tiny step, maybe, but give her a few years in Washington and I'm sure she'll look less libertarian to ya. Bush "sounded" libertarian from time to time, what with his "no nation building" rhetoric... How'd that turn out for us?
I'm not "mean and glum" because Ron Paul's out of the race, it's because the GOP has lost it's way and I don't see that changing any time soon. I voted Libertarian prior to RP's candidacy, the GOP had a chance to get my vote back but apparently they don't want it. Unlike you, I'm not satisfied with a party who's walking instead of running towards socialism, my political agenda doesn't begin and end with opposing the "liberal left". I support freedom and the Constitution and would relish the opportunity to support a major party candidate who shares my ideals. Until then I'll waste my vote how I see fit, hoping against all hope that someday the GOP will return to it's limited-government roots.
The answer to your last question is obvious. Abstinence is a 100% effective means of birth control (when it's practiced) and deserves just as much attention as teaching safe-sex does. Choosing to promote one over the other based on one's ideology does a disservice to those who's actions we're trying to influence.
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Only uggly thing in this case, is the fact that the "young man" dont want to marry Bristol.
Link please or it's just another lame rumor.
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Actually.. you are just like most of the brainwashed right wing.. you think morals only apply to religious beliefs and going to church or praying rather than actions.
Morality doesn't mean relgion alone but you guys hijack the meaning to "try" to make it sound like morals are one and the same with relgious beliefs. Morality is your manners, behavior and character.
Actually.....
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/morality
1. The quality of being in accord with standards of right or good conduct.
2. A system of ideas of right and wrong conduct: religious morality; Christian morality.
3. Virtuous conduct.
4. A rule or lesson in moral conduct.
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It still doesn't negate the fact that until the 60's they had to ride on the back of the bus and use different rest rooms, ect ect. And before the 60's women were largely expected to stay at home and raise the kids and do the laundry.
Translation: I really screwed the pooch on those dates but I don't really care that I made that crap up as long as I am right about something. :lol
The only part you were right on is the part I bolded. During WWII women worked in the factories by the thousands building tanks, planes, ammunition etc etc. While many women did go back home after the war, many others stayed in the work force.
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crock-it... I would say that sex education in school and planned parenthood and abortion has caused more harm than good if you take pregnancy rates then vs now.
Bsd.. yep.. that is how you come off.. just as kids scream "I hate you" to their parents from time to time. Your real enemy is the liberal socialist metrosexuals. I understand that you are angry with the republicans and feel betrayed but it has been a slow process and will take time to get back on track... Palin is a huge step in the right direction.. why so mean and glum? Hell.. I told ya at the time that you were wasting your time and money and getting all worked up and setting yourself up for a big ron paul hangover.
As for effective... what is the most effective form of birth control to you? I think that should be mentioned in any sex education eh?
lazs
Na the women isn't a step in the right direction because she can't keep her religion out of politics. I have no issues with the woman her self and I'm glad she fought corruption in Alaska. However that doesn't mean I think she's ready to be the next pres of the US if McCain flop over or for that matter the VP. The fact she can't leave her religion out of politics is the exact reason she isn't ready to lead.
She is exactly like Bush in that regard she would only serve for "part" of America and not "all" of America. She wants to push intelligent design in public school. Ok lets talk about that and assuming you believe all that mombo jombo that is still putting a "select" part of the Christian religion before all other religions and forcing it's beliefs to be taught in school. How can you of all people support that Lazs? Hell not even all christian believe in intelligent design.
After all the times you have complained about wanting less govt control, you are now supporting someone who wants to force govt control and the religious views of a select group on all others? You going to support teaching of the Koran in school next? How about scientology? or the flying spaghetti monster? What about the words of Buda or any of the many other religions practiced here in this country that was based on "freedom of religion" you going to support all those too?
Oh and on the corruption, lets not forget she was for the big money earmarks before she was against them. She managed to get something like 20 million in earmarks while she was mayor of a town with 9,000 people living in it. She was also for the bridge to no where before she was against it. Her and her husband were also apparently members of a Alaskan separatist group back in the mid 90's.
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Na the women isn't a step in the right direction because she can't keep her religion out of politics.
You can't keep your left wing liberal views out of politics. No one expects you to keep your views out of politics so why do you expect her to?
Oh and on the corruption, lets not forget she was for the big money earmarks before she was against them. She managed to get something like 200 million in earmarks while she was mayor of a town with 9,000 people living in it.
What does this have to do with corruption? The woman is against wasteful spending. What was that 200 million spent on?
She was also for the bridge to no where before she was against it.
Link? Considering how many times you have pulled facts out of your anal orifice I'll believe this one when I see it in print. (Maybe not even then depending on the source.)
Her and her husband were also apparently members of a Alaskan separatist group back in the mid 90's.
So what? They obviously changed their minds about Alaska seceding since they left that group after being in it for only 2 years. This might be a point of concern if they were still involved with that group.
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Actually.....
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/morality
From same source
mor·al (môrl, mr-)
adj.
1. Of or concerned with the judgment of the goodness or badness of human action and character: moral scrutiny; a moral quandary.
2. Teaching or exhibiting goodness or correctness of character and behavior: a moral lesson.
3. Conforming to standards of what is right or just in behavior; virtuous: a moral life.
4. Arising from conscience or the sense of right and wrong: a moral obligation.
5. Having psychological rather than physical or tangible effects: a moral victory; moral support.
6. Based on strong likelihood or firm conviction, rather than on the actual evidence: a moral certainty.
n.
1. The lesson or principle contained in or taught by a fable, a story, or an event.
2. A concisely expressed precept or general truth; a maxim.
3. morals Rules or habits of conduct, especially of sexual conduct, with reference to standards of right and wrong: a person of loose morals; a decline in the public morals.
Without the blue highlighted - examples - religious morality; Christian morality.
Not that moral standards are not Christian - it is just that-- morally--- one would expect the fact that they were used as examples - would actually be pointed out.
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Nwbie he used the term morality, so that's what I got the definition for. ;)
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You can't keep your left wing liberal views out of politics. No one expects you to keep your views out of politics so why do you expect her to?
What does this have to do with corruption? The woman is against wasteful spending. What was that 200 million spent on?
Link? Considering how many times you have pulled facts out of your anal orifice I'll believe this one when I see it in print. (Maybe not even then depending on the source.)
So what? They obviously changed their minds about Alaska seceding since they left that group after being in it for only 2 years. This might be a point of concern if they were still involved with that group.
I'm not running for office, she is and it would be her duty as VP to support all Americans not just the one's she agrees with.
On the 200 million I meant to type 20 million but was thinking of the 200 million dollar bridge to nowhere. I originally read it was between 20 to 25 mil so I was typing 20 to give the benefit of doubt and ended up adding a extra 0. The forum screwed up and I couldn't go back in and edit the change till after your post. According to MSNBC it's not 20 or 25 million but actually 27million.
Also the town I heard two populations, I heard the 6700 & 9000 so I gave the benefit of doubt and went with the higher population however it turns out it's the lower at 6,700. So this women who supposedly is against wasteful spending didn't mind getting 27 million of federal fund to her hick town in Alaska with a population about the size of the average player base of this video game.
link... http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26504638/
As for the anti US group they were in.. she recently gave a video conference speech for their yearly convention, so I wouldn't say they dropped out and no longer supports them. She obviously still supports them if she's giving them video conference speeching for their conventions. Not to mention if Hillery Clinton had been a member of the Socialist new world agenda while in College you guys would be squeaking in moaning about that. Or better yet if Obama had been a black panther member we would never hear the end of it.
Yet of course a Alaskan separatist group is no big deal if you are Republican..
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The simple deal is McCain screwed up when he picked this women. He has known he would be the Republican choice for months. Yet he put himself in a position to have to pick a "secondary" VP choice at the last min. If he screwed up this bad on his most important decision for his campaign, how bad can he screw up this country? This just show his lack of good decision making skills if he can't even pick a VP with out this much dirty luggage.
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From your own link:
There was $500,000 for a youth shelter, $1.9 million for a transportation hub, $900,000 for sewer repairs, and $15 million for a rail project -- all intended to benefit Palin's town, Wasilla, located about 45 miles north of Anchorage.
Do those not seem like reasonable projects to you? They don't appear to be wasteful projects to me.
I'm not running for office, she is and it would be her duty as VP to support all Americans not just the one's she agrees with.
Point is, no one is asking you to drop your political views. You are only griping about hers because you don't agree with them. You can't separate her from her views anymore than we can separate you from yours. It's ridiculous to think otherwise.
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The simple deal is McCain screwed up when he picked this women. He has known he would be the Republican choice for months. Yet he put himself in a position to have to pick a "secondary" VP choice at the last min. If he screwed up this bad on his most important decision for his campaign, how bad can he screw up this country? This just show his lack of good decision making skills if he can't even pick a VP with out this much dirty luggage.
How do you know it was a secondary choice? From what I read, he took several months to make this decision and considered quite a few different candidates.
Just because you don't like his choice doesn't mean he doesn't have good decision making skills.
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From your own link:
Do those not seem like reasonable projects to you? They don't appear to be wasteful projects to me.
Point is, no one is asking you to drop your political views. You are only griping about hers because you don't agree with them. You can't separate her from her views anymore than we can separate you from yours. It's ridiculous to think otherwise.
Considering the money went to a town with the population of 6,700 people then hell yes it's wasteful spending of US tax dollars. How many hick towns do you know of that get 27 million in federal assistance for things like youth shelters and a transportation hub. What kind of transportation hub does a town of 6,700 need? Hell they probably don't even have a walmart.. :rofl
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How do you know it was a secondary choice? From what I read, he took several months to make this decision and considered quite a few different candidates.
Just because you don't like his choice doesn't mean he doesn't have good decision making skills.
According to the NY times there is no way she was properly vetted given the time line.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/02/us/politics/02vetting.html?_r=2&adxnnl=1&oref=slogin&ref=politics&adxnnlx=1220396441-RW7OlVLL9B/B+nRtyXcZpw
The mere fact they have have a team in Alaska now checking out her background just shows the fact they didn't do it ahead of time. If they had checked her out beforehand they wouldn't be doing it now.
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Considering the money went to a town with the population of 6,700 people then hell yes it's wasteful spending of US tax dollars. How many hick towns do you know of that get 27 million in federal assistance for things like youth shelters and a transportation hub. What kind of transportation hub does a town of 6,700 need? Hell they probably don't even have a walmart.. :rofl
Maybe you should check out what kind of transportation hub they got and what it is being used for before you imply they didn't need one. Same thing goes for the youth shelter. Or maybe send Palin an email and ask her. ;)
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According to the NY times there is no way she was properly vetted given the time line.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/02/us/politics/02vetting.html?_r=2&adxnnl=1&oref=slogin&ref=politics&adxnnlx=1220396441-RW7OlVLL9B/B+nRtyXcZpw
The mere fact they have have a team in Alaska now checking out her background just shows the fact they didn't do it ahead of time. If they had checked her out beforehand they wouldn't be doing it now.
I never said she was properly vetted. I merely stated that McCain considered quite a few different candidates which your link actually supports. ;)
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Maybe you should check out what kind of transportation hub they got and what it is being used for before you imply they didn't need one. Same thing goes for the youth shelter. Or maybe send Palin an email and ask her. ;)
Oh you won't like it if I tell you what it was.. it was 1.9 million for a Alaskan Transportation Museum. So for a town of 6,700 can you maybe admit that was wasteful spending?
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I never said she was properly vetted. I merely stated that McCain considered quite a few different candidates which your link actually supports. ;)
Yes that that just shows he rushed into the decision..most likely in a vein attempt to get Hillary supporters once he found out Obama didn't pick her. So he likely picked her for nothing more than votes vs what might be best for the country.
On top of that, does the federal govt pay to repair the sewers your town? Well they did in hers.. Hell the fed govt wont even pay to fix some of the private levies to help protect New Orleans but I guess they will pay almost 1 million to fix the sewers in Wasilla via federal ear marks.
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Yes that that just shows he rushed into the decision..most likely in a vein attempt to get Hillary supporters once he found out Obama didn't pick her. So he likely picked her for nothing more than votes vs what might be best for the country.
He picked her based on her pro life stance, amongst other views she has. Two other people he was considering were not chosen based on their pro choice stances.
Oh you won't like it if I tell you what it was.. it was 1.9 million for a Alaskan Transportation Museum. So for a town of 6,700 can you maybe admit that was wasteful spending?
Not if it has helped Wasilla's ability to attract tourists, which would in turn help it's economy and directly benefit it's residents. In that case, it would not be wasteful spending. It would also not be wasteful spending if it is used not only by Wasilla, but also by neighboring towns for education purposes for the schools.....you know, field trips.
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The simple deal is McCain screwed up when he picked this women.
Sarah Palin doubles John McCain's fundraising
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/tim_shipman/blog/2008/09/01/sarah_palin_doubles_john_mccains_fundraising
Republicans are voting with their wallets for Sarah Palin. Figures just released show that John McCain has raked in $10million in the two and a bit days since he unveiled his gun toting female running mate. That should bring McCain's total for the month to around $47m--easily a record for the Arizona Senator.
Apparently a lot of people don't agree with you. :P
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On top of that, does the federal govt pay to repair the sewers your town? Well they did in hers.. Hell the fed govt wont even pay to fix some of the private levies to help protect New Orleans but I guess they will pay almost 1 million to fix the sewers in Wasilla via federal ear marks.
I don't know who pays for sewer repairs here in Broomfield, nor do I particularly care.
The feds have given millions and millions to Louisiana for maintenance and building of levies over the years and much of it has been wasted.
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LMAO as our BBS version of "Larry Flint" grasps at straws.
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LMAO as our BBS version of "Larry Flint" grasps at straws.
:rofl
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As for the anti US group they were in.. she recently gave a video conference speech for their yearly convention, so I wouldn't say they dropped out and no longer supports them.
LINK PLEASE! Or it's just more smoke from you.
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On top of that, does the federal govt pay to repair the sewers your town?
Yep. In fact federal funds are routinely used for sewer projects in cities and towns across the nation.
Here, next time before you yap do a quick Google search. Try this one and see how many communities are sucking on the government sewer teat.
Results 1 - 10 of about 322,000 for federal funds sewer projects. (0.24 seconds)
Man, Palin must be an even better pick than I thought considering the way the libbies like Crockett are squealing like little piggies.
Wassamatta? The #2 Democrat "I've been a Senator since 1972" Biden just not very exciting in comparison, is he? It's a Change (Yes we CAN!) right back to the old Washington inside the beltway elite game, isn't it?
:rofl
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Man, Palin must be an even better pick than I thought considering the way the libbies like Crockett are squealing like little piggies.
No doubt. :D
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John McCain might want to sue his Vice Presidential vetting team!
The crazy shiz people are digging up on Sarah Palin is never ending!
The newest thing puts Palin at complete odds with McCain's ideology of 'country first'.
According to a new report, Palin has supported the Alaska Independence Party AND experts say that might be the most politically detrimental of anything that's been unearthed.
The Alaska Independence Party has called for Alaska's secession from the union!! They no longer want to be part of the United States.
It's been pointed out that it is practically impossible for McCain to make a "country first" argument when his running mate is affiliated with a political party that puts country second.
Should McCain dump Palin?????
---From Perez Hilton
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Underage drinking anyone? Here are some pics the Pallins dont want you to see. Bristol is the one on the left in the first picture. What a class act family. She wants to help lead the country, but can't seem to keep her daughter under control.
(http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/2599/sp1tv6.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
(http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/9296/sp2optei2.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
(http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/9197/sp3ri3.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
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John McCain might want to sue his Vice Presidential vetting team!
The crazy shiz people are digging up on Sarah Palin is never ending!
The newest thing puts Palin at complete odds with McCain's ideology of 'country first'.
According to a new report, Palin has supported the Alaska Independence Party AND experts say that might be the most politically detrimental of anything that's been unearthed.
The Alaska Independence Party has called for Alaska's secession from the union!! They no longer want to be part of the United States.
It's been pointed out that it is practically impossible for McCain to make a "country first" argument when his running mate is affiliated with a political party that puts country second.
Should McCain dump Palin?????
---From Perez Hilton
Well, now here's some true political genius commentary, directly from a celebrity trash news site. :rolleyes:
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Hmmmm...
The more I dig into Palins background, the more I like her.
I keep digging for a big money connection between her, her local campaign for mayor and her 2 campaigns for state office.
I can't find a corporate connection.
I can't find a corruption connection.
She even bypassed the republican machine in getting elected... then carved the crooks outta the republican party and canned them. Smart. She navigated a cesspit, remained untainted, got herself elected with grass-roots support.
She's merciless when she runs across abusers of authority, is strong on crime, forced thru ethics reforms, makes smart fiscal decisions and seems to be more interested in doing whats right for constituents and the constitution than she personally feels is right for her own family.
She seems to have a damn good grasp of what a legislator should be... and an immense disdain for politicians.
I keep hearing the democrats wailing... and I wonder.. if she's such a lousy choice, why are they in a lather?
I notice that the Republicans in power are mute... especially the dirty ones. Could it be they fear her reform stance and ferocity in fighting corruption?
Could it be that McCain intends to use this 'weapon of mass disruption' on corrupt politicians on both sides of the aisle?
If she's 'clean', she could be 'untouchable'.... if mcCain's elected, it'd be dangerous days ahead indeed for the cretins on the Potomac.
I still like her. I think she'll be a good VP. I have hopes she'll make a great president too, one day.
Cockittt, you may resume the smokescreen cut'n past text walls. ;)
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Yes 24 it's the first time ever a teen drank under age !!!!!
(http://baconexpress.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/huge-manatee.jpg)
pfffft numpty
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Underage drinking anyone? Here are some pics the Pallins dont want you to see. Bristol is the one on the left in the first picture. What a class act family. She wants to help lead the country, but can't seem to keep her daughter under control.
all very good points 24. I'm reticent to engage you on this BBS but I invite you to visit me at www.flamewarriors.net where we can really discuss this topic at length and in depth.
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Hmmmm...
The more I dig into Palins background, the more I like her.
I keep digging for a big money connection between her, her local campaign for mayor and her 2 campaigns for state office.
I can't find a corporate connection.
I can't find a corruption connection.
She even bypassed the republican machine in getting elected... then carved the crooks outta the republican party and canned them. Smart. She navigated a cesspit, remained untainted, got herself elected with grass-roots support.
She's merciless when she runs across abusers of authority, is strong on crime, forced thru ethics reforms, makes smart fiscal decisions and seems to be more interested in doing whats right for constituents and the constitution than she personally feels is right for her own family.
She seems to have a damn good grasp of what a legislator should be... and an immense disdain for politicians.
I keep hearing the democrats wailing... and I wonder.. if she's such a lousy choice, why are they in a lather?
I notice that the Republicans in power are mute... especially the dirty ones. Could it be they fear her reform stance and ferocity in fighting corruption?
Could it be that McCain intends to use this 'weapon of mass disruption' on corrupt politicians on both sides of the aisle?
If she's 'clean', she could be 'untouchable'.... if mcCain's elected, it'd be dangerous days ahead indeed for the cretins on the Potomac.
I still like her. I think she'll be a good VP. I have hopes she'll make a great president too, one day.
Cockittt, you may resume the smokescreen cut'n past text walls. ;)
You didn't look very hard then.. The group she hired for the ear marks was none other than Jack Abramoff's law firm.
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You didn't look very hard then.. The group she hired for the ear marks was none other than Jack Abramoff's law firm.
Did she get the earmarks?
If so, this would seem to be good for Wassila.
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Sarah Palin doubles John McCain's fundraising
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/tim_shipman/blog/2008/09/01/sarah_palin_doubles_john_mccains_fundraising
Apparently a lot of people don't agree with you. :P
You know what, just for the hell of it and because someone mentioned it on another forum..I headed over to http://www.csmonitor.com/ because it's a Christan news site and I was interested in what they had to say because this person said to read the comments from readers in the articles about her.
To my surprise she is taking a very big beating over there from the readers as is McCain. Take this article for example, discussing if he vetted her or not.. http://features.csmonitor.com/politics/2008/09/02/palin-vetted-or-not-vetted/
I'm a bit amazed that most of the user commits are right in line with what I've been saying and these are Christians of all people. (oh the humanity) The deal is they are not only bashing her but are also bashing McCain for the poor decision making he's showed. So it seems like McCain has a pretty big rift in at least part of the Christian community and it's not a given they will vote Republican from the looks at the user comments on this well known Christian news site.
btw wouldn't it be a normal thing for a party having a convention to rake in a lot of money during it? How much did Obama raise during the DNC? I think it will be a bigger sign one way or another if the donations keep pouring in after a week or two.
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Did she get the earmarks?
If so, this would seem to be good for Wassila.
Yet she claims to be aginst them.. I guess you missed that point. :)
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Yet she claims to be aginst them.. I guess you missed that point. :)
Mayors tend to be for earmarks for their town. Governors tend to be for earmarks for their states. It's sort of their job.
Jefferson was against slavery yet he owned slaves. Politics is strange that way.
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Underage drinking anyone? Here are some pics the Pallins dont want you to see. Bristol is the one on the left in the first picture. What a class act family. She wants to help lead the country, but can't seem to keep her daughter under control.
(http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/2599/sp1tv6.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
(http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/9296/sp2optei2.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
(http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/9197/sp3ri3.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
IF that is a Palin daughter it certainly isn't Bristol.
Check out these photos of the Palin family from another thread on this very same BBS. ;)
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,245621.300.html
IF it is a Palin daughter, it is the middle one, not the oldest (Bristol)
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Underage drinking anyone? Here are some pics the Pallins dont want you to see. Bristol is the one on the left in the first picture. What a class act family. She wants to help lead the country, but can't seem to keep her daughter under control.
(http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/2599/sp1tv6.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
(http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/9296/sp2optei2.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
(http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/9197/sp3ri3.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
Hey atleast she has good taste Capt Morgan is the best. :aok
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Lay your hands off her body, its not your %^$'in' LIFE! :rock
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Much ado about nothing really, here's the video of her speech addressing the Alaskan Independence Party.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9LFIKB26N0&feature=related
From the AIP's front page: http://www.akip.org/
The Alaskan Independence Party can be summed up in just two words:
ALASKA FIRST!
Until we as Alaskans receive our Ultimate Goal, the AIP will continue to strive to make Alaska a better place to live with less government interference in our everyday lives.
The Alaskan Independence Party's goal is the vote we were entitled to in 1958, one choice from among the following four alternatives:
1) Remain a Territory.
2) Become a separate and Independent Nation.
3) Accept Commonwealth status.
4) Become a State.
The call for this vote is in furtherance of the dream of the Alaskan Independence Party's founding father, Joe Vogler, which was for Alaskans to achieve independence under a minimal government, fully responsive to the people, promoting a peaceful and lawful means of resolving differences.
Seems that their primary goal is a call for the vote that they apparently never got in 1958. (I have not been able to confirm that yet.)
As far as the second option for voting, I seriously doubt that would be allowed to happen since the federal government purchased Alaska with taxpayer monies.
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IF that is a Palin daughter it certainly isn't Bristol.
Check out these photos of the Palin family from another thread on this very same BBS. ;)
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,245621.300.html
IF it is a Palin daughter, it is the middle one, not the oldest (Bristol)
(http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/2309/palinfamilyoutsidev012qw4.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
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I saw that refrence to the Alaska Independence Party... made me smile; confirmed something else I like about her.
If my state referendumed for independence, I'd vote yes. Who the hell wouldn't want to throw off the federal yoke?
Damn.. that should be a vote available for every state. ;)
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from sixpence
[quote Mr. Palin was arrested 22 years ago on a drunken-driving charge"
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this is the same time frame (within 6 months)that "oboma" regularly was getting high on cocain by his own admission! :huh so whats your point? :uhoh
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If my state referendumed for independence, I'd vote yes. Who the hell wouldn't want to throw off the federal yoke?
That would be my vote as well. ;)
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somehow, the logic of using a blog..
...a religious fundamentalist blog..
by an obama fanboi..
...to point out Palin is too liberal to be a republican,
escapes me.
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somehow, the logic of using a blog..
...a religious fundamentalist blog..
by an obama fanboi..
...to point out Palin is too liberal to be a republican,
escapes me.
Christian Science (as a religion) is a spin off of mainstream Christianity as well and he is using it to show that the religious right is also against Palin...... :huh
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I'm a bit amazed that most of the user commits are right in line with what I've been saying and these are Christians of all people. (oh the humanity)
Christians are people just like you, just a little bit better is all. Not by much, but just by a little bit.
God Bless you Crockett.
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Apparently this isn't going to be a shotgun wedding:
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jIMJWupyWNmvU3UX2aGhICmZrQ_wD92UUPU80
Levi Johnston's mother said her 18-year-old son left Alaska on Tuesday morning to join the Palin family at the convention where Sen. John McCain will officially receive the Republican nomination for president. The boy's mother, Sherry Johnston, said there had been no pressure put on her son to marry 17-year-old Bristol Palin and the two teens had made plans to wed before it was known she was pregnant.
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nice too see a boy become a man, because he wanted too, instead of because he was forced too!
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as long as there are no sex tapes!
Wait! ok......are there any sex tapes????
Imagine that!
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Heard Hannity say today that we now know more about Palin's daughter than we do NoBama. Goes with what BJ229 posted.
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nice too see a boy become a man, because he wanted too, instead of because he was forced too!
I would hope so...but we do not know about all words said behind closed doors.
In one of these other Palin threads (we really ought to keep them down to one or two at most) I raised the question of how she will handle the pressure of this...Her whole life is getting turned inside out, and put on public display. I wonder how much longer she can handle it...especially her daughter, who is starting to get used as some kind of political pawn, and not just by the opposition, but it looks like by her mothers' party as well.
I think the best thing about this whole affair was Obama telling his people to stay the hell away from them, or they're fired. Showed a lot of class there.
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I would hope so...but we do not know about all words said behind closed doors.
In one of these other Palin threads (we really ought to keep them down to one or two at most) I raised the question of how she will handle the pressure of this...Her whole life is getting turned inside out, and put on public display. I wonder how much longer she can handle it...especially her daughter, who is starting to get used as some kind of political pawn, and not just by the opposition, but it looks like by her mothers' party as well.
I think the best thing about this whole affair was Obama telling his people to stay the hell away from them, or they're fired. Showed a lot of class there.
class? more like a man who lives in a glass shouldn't throw stones!
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class? more like a man who lives in a glass shouldn't throw stones!
Still, it presented a good face to the press. He has two kids of his own. Remember Amy Carter? Maureen Reagan?
Children of the politicians play prominent roles in the legacy of their parents whether we like it or not.
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class? more like a man who lives in a glass shouldn't throw stones!
You gotta admit, Storch-alot of his predecessors (on BOTH sides of the aisle, including McCain) would have been flingin' this turd high and far. I mean, this girl is 5 months pregnant...and all of a sudden, she is thrust into the national spotlight, in the middle of a national election no less, in which her own mother is involved. Imagine the stress and strain on her; I'm sure she can read a newspaper or watch a tv. Anytime her name is mentioned in the news, connected to her mothers' political campaign, in some kind of a negative story, blog, whatever, How will she take it? Will she blame herself?
I just hope that the poor girl doesn't lose the baby over all of this.
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Ummm, by her family being an example for the world to see that "abstinence-only" sex-ed, which she supports, doesn't work.
How does her getting pregnant prove that abstinence-only sex ed doesn't work? I am sure they know what a rubber is and she goes to public school I imagine where the don't teach abstinence they teach put a rubber on it. So I could just as easily say rubbers don't work either.
Abstinence works EVERY time it is tried. can't get that % whit rubbers even or the pill.
The reason she got pregant is because she had sex, not because the Mom believes in abstinence.
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I saw that refrence to the Alaska Independence Party... made me smile; confirmed something else I like about her.
If my state referendumed for independence, I'd vote yes. Who the hell wouldn't want to throw off the federal yoke?
Damn.. that should be a vote available for every state. ;)
So much for the "America first" line then right?
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(http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/2309/palinfamilyoutsidev012qw4.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
After looking at the Palin family picture in one tab, and the pictures you posted from perezhilton.com in another, I am convinced the photos from perezhilton.com do not contain a Palin family member.
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You didn't look very hard then.. The group she hired for the ear marks was none other than Jack Abramoff's law firm.
Your point? The Justice Departments inquiry into Jack Abramoff didn't even start until the spring of 2004. Sarah Palin was required to know he was involved in illegal activities before he was even investigated? She was required to be able to see the future and know that he was going to be convicted on 3 felony counts? :rolleyes:
Another lame attempt to discredit the woman. :rolleyes:
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First in line to run the country? She can't even control one teenage girl! What kind of leader is she?!?!
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Did she get the earmarks?
Well, if we all want pork barrel spending for our states, then why complain about it in the first place?
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LOL... crock-it is foaming at the mouth over Palin.. over every tiny little thing that the... wait for it... new york times, msnbc and moveon.org have to smear her about...
This is exactly the kind of reaction I had hoped for.. the oh so sensitive and caring liberal democrats smearing the hell out of a .... a... woman... over what?
I can't find anything I don't like.. she wants ID mentioned in schools.. duh.. She cut spending and increases service.. wow.. how awful! she was in a group that wanted to put to a vote secession... that REALLY is my kind of gal.. she promotes being responsible for your own actions and her kid is doing that by getting married and raising the baby inside her...
She is a lifetime member of the NRA and hunter and shoots AR15 rifles and knows that they are not "assault rifles"
she gets the liberals all shook up and raised money for Mccain..
I can't see anything about her that I don't like.. crock-it and the neeeew york times.. have not made me see it any other way.. if anything.. them not liking her proves to me that she is the best he... and we.. can choose.
Oh... and I know a little about sewage treatment.. it is indeed 1 in ten that get the federal funds until you get down to smaller communities and then it is more like every other one.. the reason is....
The EPA is such a tyranical and unreasonable federal government with so many senseless and EXPENSIVE regulations that no small town can afford the treatment plants they mandate... some small cities in kalifornia are getting grants and the citizens are still paying $150 a month or more for sewer fees for worthless regulation... there is your osambama crowd.. the EPA...
lazs
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frode.. yeah.. I really believe that osamabinbiden told his people to stay away from this.. the guy who is probly more of a politician and liar than klinton said that? LOL.. yeah.. I bet he did.. in public.
he knows his party.. he knows the new york times and move on dot org and msnbc.. he knows that no matter what he says in public (with a big wing and crossed fingers) the sensitive and caring democrat attack wing will go for the throat..
lazs
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If this is going to be about kids, lets examine the difference....
Obama - If my daughter's make a mistake, I don't want them punished with a baby.
Palin - My 17 yr old daughter is five months pregnant and has decided to marry her boyfriend and raise the child.
Thats an easy choice. Murder vs. Responsibility
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so confusing, if palin is bad for the republicans why are the liberals so upset? I would think they would be dancing in the streets singing "obama gona beat the old white guy".
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First in line to run the country? She can't even control one teenage girl! What kind of leader is she?!?!
Another shade shows up.....
It's obvious you don't and haven't had teenaged children.
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Another shade shows up.....
It's obvious you don't and haven't had teenaged children.
Shade? No.
Yes, you're right. A teenage child is much harder to govern than the United States.
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Obama - If my daughter's make a mistake, I don't want them punished with a baby...
Did he really say that? Or is that a joke?
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Shade? No.
Yes, you're right. A teenage child is much harder to govern than the United States.
As has been pointed out previously, no matter how well you teach your kids, they can and will do things that you don't believe in or taught them.
And, the only thing that has happened is the oldest daughter getting pregnant. Those photos from perezhilton.com aren't even of one of the Palin daughters. Look at them side by side, the pictures from perezhilton.com show a female with a narrower face structure than either of the two older Palin girls. So yeah....all that is evidence of a teen that is out of control. :rolleyes:
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Did he really say that? Or is that a joke?
I do believe he did.
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Did he really say that? Or is that a joke?
he really said it :(
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Did he really say that? Or is that a joke?
Yep. March 29, 2008
I've got two daughters. 9 years old and 6 years old. I am going to teach them first of all about values and morals. But if they make a mistake, I don't want them punished with a baby.
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Yep. March 29, 2008
Thanks Toad.
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As has been pointed out previously, no matter how well you teach your kids, they can and will do things that you don't believe in or taught them.
And, the only thing that has happened is the oldest daughter getting pregnant. Those photos from perezhilton.com aren't even of one of the Palin daughters. Look at them side by side, the pictures from perezhilton.com show a female with a narrower face structure than either of the two older Palin girls. So yeah....all that is evidence of a teen that is out of control. :rolleyes:
No matter what you say, I think that a parent is responsible for their children while they are the legal guardian. Yes, we are all free to make our own decisions. Those decisions, though, are influenced largely by our upbringing and what we have learned from our parents.
The actions and behavior of the child is a clear reflection of the abilities and character of the parents. To suggest that Palin was somehow helpless in this situation ridiculous sidestepping.
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Did he really say that? Or is that a joke?
"When it comes specifically to HIV/AIDS, the most important prevention is education, which should include -- which should include abstinence education and teaching the children -- teaching children, you know, that sex is not something casual. But it should also include -- it should also include other, you know, information about contraception because, look, I've got two daughters. 9 years old and 6 years old. I am going to teach them first of all about values and morals. But if they make a mistake, I don't want them punished with a baby. I don't want them punished with an STD at the age of 16. You know, so it doesn't make sense to not give them information."
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The actions and behavior of the child is a clear reflection of the abilities and character of the parents.
You are soooooooooo wrong.
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LOL... crock-it is foaming at the mouth over Palin.. over every tiny little thing that the... wait for it... new york times, msnbc and moveon.org have to smear her about...
This is exactly the kind of reaction I had hoped for.. the oh so sensitive and caring liberal democrats smearing the hell out of a .... a... woman... over what?
I can't find anything I don't like.. she wants ID mentioned in schools.. duh.. She cut spending and increases service.. wow.. how awful! she was in a group that wanted to put to a vote secession... that REALLY is my kind of gal.. she promotes being responsible for your own actions and her kid is doing that by getting married and raising the baby inside her...
She is a lifetime member of the NRA and hunter and shoots AR15 rifles and knows that they are not "assault rifles"
she gets the liberals all shook up and raised money for Mccain..
I can't see anything about her that I don't like.. crock-it and the neeeew york times.. have not made me see it any other way.. if anything.. them not liking her proves to me that she is the best he... and we.. can choose.
Oh... and I know a little about sewage treatment.. it is indeed 1 in ten that get the federal funds until you get down to smaller communities and then it is more like every other one.. the reason is....
The EPA is such a tyranical and unreasonable federal government with so many senseless and EXPENSIVE regulations that no small town can afford the treatment plants they mandate... some small cities in kalifornia are getting grants and the citizens are still paying $150 a month or more for sewer fees for worthless regulation... there is your osambama crowd.. the EPA...
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Lard.. no foaming here, just laughter watching you guys try to double talk and make excuses in order to keep supporting this woman who was obviously a piss poor choice. No way in hell would McCain knowingly pick a VP with this many issues. It just shows his lack of decision making skills.
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No matter what you say, I think that a parent is responsible for their children while they are the legal guardian.
I've never said or implied that a parent is not responsible for their children.
Those decisions, though, are influenced largely by our upbringing and what we have learned from our parents.
The actions and behavior of the child is a clear reflection of the abilities and character of the parents.
That statement makes it obvious that you have not raised a teenager. They have minds of their own and will do what they know is best. After all, their few years on this earth and the vast knowledge they have accumulated trumps their parents teachings. :lol
To suggest that Palin was somehow helpless in this situation ridiculous sidestepping.
No one is suggesting Sarah Palin was helpless. No parent has control of a teen aged child once that child steps out the door. When they step out the door you are trusting that they will adhere to what you have taught them in the past and that they will exercise good judgment. However, our children, like us, are not perfect and they make mistakes.
To suggest that Sarah Palin can't control her daughter simply because she got pregnant is grasping at straws.
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As has been pointed out previously, no matter how well you teach your kids, they can and will do things that you don't believe in or taught them.
And, the only thing that has happened is the oldest daughter getting pregnant. Those photos from perezhilton.com aren't even of one of the Palin daughters. Look at them side by side, the pictures from perezhilton.com show a female with a narrower face structure than either of the two older Palin girls. So yeah....all that is evidence of a teen that is out of control. :rolleyes:
Dude the pictures came from her boyfriends myspace page.. The guy who is the father to her unborn baby, the pics are her it's just before she became pregnant and started chubbing out.
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Lard.. no foaming here, just laughter watching you guys try to double talk and make excuses in order to keep supporting this woman who was obviously a piss poor choice. No way in hell would McCain knowingly pick a VP with this many issues. It just shows his lack of decision making skills.
The only thing that is even an issue is Troopergate, everything else is just grasping at straws.
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Dude the pictures came from her boyfriends myspace page.. The guy who is the father to her unborn baby, the pics are her it's just before she became pregnant and started chubbing out.
LOL @ chubbing out.
Even in her family pics she isn't *chubbing out*. :rofl
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No matter what you say, I think that a parent is responsible for their children while they are the legal guardian. Yes, we are all free to make our own decisions. Those decisions, though, are influenced largely by our upbringing and what we have learned from our parents.
The actions and behavior of the child is a clear reflection of the abilities and character of the parents. To suggest that Palin was somehow helpless in this situation ridiculous sidestepping.
nonono this is the O Club you are talking about.. It's only bad parenting if it's a Democrat take Britney Spears sister for example. Some of the very people in here defending Palin were undoubtedly bashing Jamie Spears when she got pregnant.
In fact in this very thread.. http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,222125.0.html Some of the members that are in here defending Palin daughter getting pregnant were bashing Jamie Spears and claiming bad parenting and were running wild with speculation.
It's always different for these guys when the shoe is on the other foot.. :rofl Not to mention they cry and whine about us complaining about McCain's pick in only 2 topics. Yet they start 4 or 5 a day bashing Obama.
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"When it comes specifically to HIV/AIDS, the most important prevention is education, which should include -- which should include abstinence education and teaching the children -- teaching children, you know, that sex is not something casual. But it should also include -- it should also include other, you know, information about contraception because, look, I've got two daughters. 9 years old and 6 years old. I am going to teach them first of all about values and morals. But if they make a mistake, I don't want them punished with a baby. I don't want them punished with an STD at the age of 16. You know, so it doesn't make sense to not give them information."
You are taking that completly out of context, to fit your needs.. He also said.. I don't want them punished with an STD at the age of 16. So you think an abortion will get rid of a STD? of course not but you ignore the last line..
You know, so it doesn't make sense to not give them information.
He's talking about making sure they have proper sex education in schools to teach the kids of the dangers and to teach them if they are going to have sex to be safe about it. No where did he imply he meant abortion, it's only "YOU" that is implying that.
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You are taking that completly out of context, to fit your needs..
Now THAT is truly funny.
Taking it out of context? You must be delusional. The whole paragraph is there. He most definitely linked having a baby with punishment and the context is all there.
BTW, did you notice that the Obamessiah supports abstinence education in that paragraph?
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In fact in this very thread.. http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,222125.0.html Some of the members that are in here defending Palin daughter getting pregnant were bashing Jamie Spears and claiming bad parenting and were running wild with speculation.
Really? I just read that thread and there is very little bashing of Jamie Spears mother.
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Now THAT is truly funny.
Taking it out of context? You must be delusional. The whole paragraph is there. He most definitely linked having a baby with punishment and the context is all there.
BTW, did you notice that the Obamessiah supports abstinence education in that paragraph?
He is stating that the kids should have proper education from all sides of the subject at that point the kid can make a "educated" choice about their own life if they are in that situation. He wants them to have been taught about proper protection rather than find out the hard way because they didn't know any better.
Honestly, if you can't understand what he is saying in that quote, either you don't want to, or you have lack of comprehension skills.
If you are implying I don't support abstinence, then you obviously haven't read my other posts. I fully support teaching abstinence along side normal sex ed. The issue with Palin is she doesn't want sex ed taught, she was abstinence only taught.
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You are taking that completly out of context, to fit your needs.. He also said.. I don't want them punished with an STD at the age of 16
You quoted the entire paragraph, the man said....
But if they make a mistake, I don't want them punished with a baby.
And right after that he said:
I don't want them punished with an STD at the age of 16.
You are as good of entertainment as Boroda ever was. :rofl
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Really? I just read that thread and there is very little bashing of Jamie Spears mother.
Yea it was all about calling her trailer trash and all that good stuff acting as if no big suprise she got knocked up. Yet turn the tables and the same people are in here all but praising the virgin mary about Palins daughter.
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I've never said or implied that a parent is not responsible for their children.
That statement makes it obvious that you have not raised a teenager. They have minds of their own and will do what they know is best. After all, their few years on this earth and the vast knowledge they have accumulated trumps their parents teachings. :lol
To say that all teenagers will do what they will regardless of their parents wishes is an over-generalization. Many, if not most, teens will listen to their parents and do as they wish - be it out of fear, respect, or responsibility. That is, if they were raised that way.
No one is suggesting Sarah Palin was helpless. No parent has control of a teen aged child once that child steps out the door. When they step out the door you are trusting that they will adhere to what you have taught them in the past and that they will exercise good judgment. However, our children, like us, are not perfect and they make mistakes.
A parent should be able to evaluate whether their teen is rebellious or irresponsible. That parent should not let that teen walk out the door. That parent should exert the control over their child that they rightfully can. Evaluate the situation, take control as your power allows. She should have done this, and done what was right.
Palin may one day person need to make dire decisions affecting matters of national security. This would be based on her ability to evaluate situations comprised of very complicated factors. A person requiring that ability to scrutinize should at the very least be able to evaluate their own child.
Now, I don't think that this alone disqualifies her for the position. It certainly does not help. I hope for her sake that there are not too many more examples of her being a weak airhead.
To suggest that Sarah Palin can't control her daughter simply because she got pregnant is grasping at straws.
Though it may not prove it beyond a doubt, it certainly is an indicator. It's not a straw, it's a solid brick in what could be a larger foundation.
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He is stating that the kids should have proper education from all sides of the subject at that point the kid can make a "educated" choice about their own life if they are in that situation. He wants them to have been taught about proper protection rather than find out the hard way because they didn't know any better.
Yup, he said that as well. Yet there is no denying his statement that he doesn't want his daughters punished with a baby.
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You quoted the entire paragraph, the man said....
And right after that he said:
You are as good of entertainment as Boroda ever was. :rofl
Do you understand by "mistake" that he means having sex at the wrong time meaning too early and if that happens he wants them to "know" to use protection.. You are blinded by your hate man. That or those Republican rosey glasses are a few shades too dark..
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He is stating that the kids should have proper education from all sides of the subject
And then he quite clearly states that he's "going to teach them first of all about values and morals. But if they make a mistake, I don't want them punished with a baby."
Spin like a top all you like but he clearly views babies as punishment if his daughter(s) get knocked up. Can't dance around it, can't BS your way to any other interpretation. If you can't understand that you either lack reading comprehension skills or you are lying to yourself.
If you are implying I don't support abstinence, then you obviously haven't read my other posts.
OK, maybe you do lack reading comprehension skills. You've been bashing Palin for her support of abstinence education and yet your Obamessiah supports it as well. I guess the irony of your posts here escapes you.
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Well, a baby is hardly ever a blessing for a young teen. I think punishment is pretty accurate. One of the few things I agree with Obama on.
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To say that all teenagers will do what they will regardless of their parents wishes is an over-generalization. Many, if not most, teens will listen to their parents and do as they wish - be it out of fear, respect, or responsibility. That is, if they were raised that way.
There were things we all did as teens that went against our parents teachings. All of us. Every one of us got in trouble with our parents as teens. We would not have been in trouble with our parents if we had followed their teachings to the letter. Just because we got in trouble does not reflect poorly on our parents, it reflects poorly on us because we were the ones making the decisions that got us in trouble in the first place. (Disclaimer: there are some parents that don't actually do any parenting and their children's actions DO reflect poorly on them.)
There comes a time in every child's life where a parent has to trust them to do what is right. It is part of the process of growing up for each of us. Sometimes our children are going to make decisions that are not in their best interests, sometimes the consequences of those decisions are lifelong, as is the case when a teen gets pregnant.
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Yea it was all about calling her trailer trash and all that good stuff acting as if no big suprise she got knocked up. Yet turn the tables and the same people are in here all but praising the virgin mary about Palins daughter.
There were a couple posts initially where people called her trailer trash. I don't condone that. I am not surprised that she got pregnant since her boyfriend was living with her.
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And then he quite clearly states that he's "going to teach them first of all about values and morals. But if they make a mistake, I don't want them punished with a baby."
Spin like a top all you like but he clearly views babies as punishment if his daughter(s) get knocked up. Can't dance around it, can't BS your way to any other interpretation. If you can't understand that you either lack reading comprehension skills or you are lying to yourself.
OK, maybe you do lack reading comprehension skills. You've been bashing Palin for her support of abstinence education and yet your Obamessiah supports it as well. I guess the irony of your posts here escapes you.
No spin needed..
No I haven't been bashing Palin for her "support" of abstinence education. I've said very clearly several times that it should be taught. What I am bashing Palin on is the fact she only supports abstinence education and she firmly will not support normal sex education along side the abstinence. She has publicly stated she will not approve funds to schools that teach the traditional sex education because she thinks abstinence only is all that should be taught.
That is the issue and the very reason the deal with her daughter is a big one, because it shows that her ideas on sex education in school is very flawed. That is what I have been bashing her on.
Perhaps you need some reading & comprehension skills yourself.
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He most definitely linked having a baby with punishment and the context is all there.
I havent been apart of this thread, but I would like to add this. How, is having a baby at 15 or 16 not being punished for your actions? Do you think that it is possible to be independant and have a child at that age?
So, your independance is gone, and you must live off of someone else while having to be responsible for your own child. It is not out of the ordinary for many americans to look at that situation as "paying the price" or a form of punishment for their actions and I imagine that many young girls who were faced with that situation, felt a little punished the day they found out.
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Do you understand by "mistake" that he means having sex at the wrong time meaning too early and if that happens he wants them to "know" to use protection.. You are blinded by your hate man. That or those Republican rosey glasses are a few shades too dark..
I hate no one. :)
I understand he means that if his daughters make the mistake of having sex to early that he wants them to know about contraception and STD's. That doesn't take away from his statement that he doesn't want them punished with a baby.
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I hate no one. :)
I understand he means that if his daughters make the mistake of having sex to early that he wants them to know about contraception and STD's. That doesn't take away from his statement that he doesn't want them punished with a baby.
His line about the STD was the exact same as the line about the baby.. He used punish in the same way in regards to both, so how can you understand one but not the other?
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That is the issue and the very reason the deal with her daughter is a big one, because it shows that her ideas on sex education in school is very flawed.
Sex education was supposed to prevent teen pregnancies by educating our kids on how babies are made and how to avoid becoming pregnant by using contraceptives. I guess that whole idea is flawed as well since we still haven't eliminated teen pregnancies?
Abstinence works 100% if it is followed, the various forms of contraception are never 100% even if they are used. Which is the best way to prevent pregnancy?
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His line about the STD was the exact same as the line about the baby.. He used punish in the same way in regards to both, so how can you understand one but not the other?
I understand both statements. He does not want them punished with a baby or an std. Yet, without consequences for our actions do we truly learn from our mistakes?
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How, is having a baby at 15 or 16 not being punished for your actions?
I believe that children are gifts to us from our Creator and as such are never a punishment. :)
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Abstinence works 100% if it is followed, the various forms of contraception are never 100% even if they are used. Which is the best way to prevent pregnancy?
Abstinence is only good in theory, the fact that humans are unable to follow through with abstinence should be a red flag to those who try and require it only.
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There were things we all did as teens that went against our parents teachings. All of us. Every one of us got in trouble with our parents as teens. We would not have been in trouble with our parents if we had followed their teachings to the letter. Just because we got in trouble does not reflect poorly on our parents, it reflects poorly on us because we were the ones making the decisions that got us in trouble in the first place. (Disclaimer: there are some parents that don't actually do any parenting and their children's actions DO reflect poorly on them.)
There comes a time in every child's life where a parent has to trust them to do what is right. It is part of the process of growing up for each of us. Sometimes our children are going to make decisions that are not in their best interests, sometimes the consequences of those decisions are lifelong, as is the case when a teen gets pregnant.
True, most children do do things that are against their parents wishes. I, however, maintain that the big things (going to prison, getting pregnant) are things that reflect very poorly on the parents, and are things that could have been avoided with better parenting.
These things aren't evil, and don't make the parents evil. That said, when you are trying to be the next Vice President, things like this are definitely representative of your ability to do your job. Personal matters such as this will be, and should be, examined by the people which you hope to represent.
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I believe that children are gifts to us from our Creator and as such are never a punishment. :)
How about finding out you're pregnant at age 15? Not how you feel about babies, but how you would feel at that exact moment you found out you were going to be a 15 yo mother. I would say that many (and I have seen this first hand) would cry out of sadness first, then later be proud. So, initially the 15 yo is probably going to feel punished for her actions, also, if she had aspirations of not getting preggo until she was married or older, then those dreams would be shattered.
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True, most children do do things that are against their parents wishes. I, however, maintain that the big things (going to prison, getting pregnant) are things that reflect very poorly on the parents, and are things that could have been avoided with better parenting.
This is exactly what I believe.
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True, most children do do things that are against their parents wishes. I, however, maintain that the big things (going to prison, getting pregnant) are things that reflect very poorly on the parents, and are things that could have been avoided with better parenting.
These things aren't evil, and don't make the parents evil. That said, when you are trying to be the next Vice President, things like this are definitely representative of your ability to do your job. Personal matters such as this will be, and should be, examined by the people which you hope to represent.
I have 7 siblings. 6 of them still survive. We were all raised the same way by our parents. We were taught that drug abuse was bad, that stealing was wrong. We were taught basic Christian morals and values. Two of my brothers were involved in dealing drugs and burglaries for a couple of years until one of them got caught and spent some time in jail. How does it reflect poorly on my parents when 2 of my siblings acted like social rejects and the other 6 of us didn't?
It obviously wasn't bad parenting because 6 of us did things right. (more or less) It was my brothers choices that reflected badly on my brothers.
*edit* Actually, the dealing drugs part started for both of them in high school as an easy way to make more money than they could at the part time jobs they had. Their drug dealing went on for quite a few years.
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How about finding out you're pregnant at age 15?
That would be impossible since I am male. :rock
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What I am bashing Palin on is the fact she only supports abstinence education and she firmly will not support normal sex education along side the abstinence. She has publicly stated she will not approve funds to schools that teach the traditional sex education because she thinks abstinence only is all that should be taught.
What she actually said was that she wouldn't support explicit sex education. However, she's supporting birth control so one must conclude that she supports sex education. After all, how can you support birth control without supporting a basic working knowledge of how reproduction works?
Time Magazine, that bastion of Conservativism, says she supports birth control as well as abstinence.
http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1837523_1837531_1837538,00.html
She is Christian and pro-life, but also a supporter of birth control: she's a member of Feminists For Life (FFL), an anti-abortion, pro-contraception organization.
OK, OK... Time is just tooooo Conservative for you.
How about Reproductive Health Reality Check? Still too Conservative?
http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/election-2008/palin/issues
Palin is pro-contraception, though it is unclear how she defines contraception, putting her at odds with many in the "pro-life" movement that claim birth control is the same thing as abortion.
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Not how you feel about babies, but how you would feel at that exact moment you found out you were going to be a 15 yo mother. I would say that many (and I have seen this first hand) would cry out of sadness first, then later be proud. So, initially the 15 yo is probably going to feel punished for her actions, also, if she had aspirations of not getting preggo until she was married or older, then those dreams would be shattered.
Ok, now that I am done being a smart alec.....I'll respond seriously. :D
She may very well feel as if she is being punished initially. Yet once that baby is born I'd be willing to be she views it in an entirely different manner. She will love that child in the same way that all mothers love their children.
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What she actually said was that she wouldn't support explicit sex education. However, she's supporting birth control so one must conclude that she supports sex education. After all, how can you support birth control without supporting a basic working knowledge of how reproduction works?
Time Magazine, that bastion of Conservativism, says she supports birth control as well as abstinence.
http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1837523_1837531_1837538,00.html
OK, OK... Time is just tooooo Conservative for you.
How about Reproductive Health Reality Check? Still too Conservative?
http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/election-2008/palin/issues
D00d.....don't you know that actual facts are nothing more than Republican worship? :uhoh
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I, however, maintain that the big things (going to prison, getting pregnant) are things that reflect very poorly on the parents, and are things that could have been avoided with better parenting.
How many children have you raised that are now age 21 or older?
Same question to SkyRock.
I have two boys. One is an exceptional human. The other has been a rebel all his life and has been in jail for short stays due to marijuana 3 different times.
As far as humanly possible, their mother and I raised them both in exactly the same way.
You think it was parenting? If so, I reserve the right to think you don't know what you are talking about.
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And then he quite clearly states that he's "going to teach them first of all about values and morals. But if they make a mistake, I don't want them punished with a baby."
Spin like a top all you like but he clearly views babies as punishment if his daughter(s) get knocked up. Can't dance around it, can't BS your way to any other interpretation. If you can't understand that you either lack reading comprehension skills or you are lying to yourself.
OK, maybe you do lack reading comprehension skills. You've been bashing Palin for her support of abstinence education and yet your Obamessiah supports it as well. I guess the irony of your posts here escapes you.
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He said the wrong thing - even he admits it...I understand him to have meant - to be burdened with raising a child at that young of an age... imagine yourself at 17 coming to the realization that -hey - you are now a parent- grow up and take responsibility...imagine the feelings you would have ..the guilt, the growing fear of the reality of the situation...the self punishment you would be putting yourself through psychologically.... bad choice of words - but the meaning is clear... kinda nitpicking really...
Another quote
"The actions and behavior of the child is a clear reflection of the abilities and character of the parents. To suggest that Palin was somehow helpless in this situation ridiculous sidestepping."
Wow - is this off the wall - if your parents knew everything you did while you were a teenager....either you lived in a box.. or you have no self imagination... you would be nothing but a puppet..
I feel bad for Palin's daughter having this situation used to bash her mother... the media and people who bring it up are morally inefficient ... and by questioning her morals - prove it tenfold.....
When I first saw the story - I remembered my teenage years and early college days - and thought - There but for the grace of Jod go I .... Cuz I sure didn't live in a box
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I don't see a lot of statistics showing that any form of sex education -- abstinence or contraception -- is a miracle cure-all. Most big urban areas, as far as I can tell, mandate some form of sex education with a contreception focus included and yet they have some of the highest rates of teen pregnancy. I would also imagine that virtually 100 percent of teenagers, regardless of background, know that sexual intercourse can make a baby. Some apparently don't care -- period -- and some apparently let the heat of the moment get in the way.
A lot of us probably have experiences from our youth or college/bar days where hormones got in the way of safe sex, even if the partner was on the pill or IUD and the issue was STDs and not fatherhood.
In some cases kids are raised poorly and don't care about making a baby, in others they were raised "right" but don't care for the 10 minutes or so when the hormones and instinct take over and in others they logically or morally resist the urge and avoid sex or avoid sex without contraception.
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His line about the STD was the exact same as the line about the baby.. He used punish in the same way in regards to both, so how can you understand one but not the other?
Punishment for underage sex in Obama's eyes are looked at as:
A: having a baby
B: getting an STD
He makes no differentiation. Cripes Crockett, you can spin better than Krusty.
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Wow - is this off the wall - if your parents knew everything you did while you were a teenager....either you lived in a box.. or you have no self imagination... you would be nothing but a puppet..
I feel bad for Palin's daughter having this situation used to bash her mother... the media and people who bring it up are morally inefficient ... and by questioning her morals - prove it tenfold.....
When I first saw the story - I remembered my teenage years and early college days - and thought - There but for the grace of Jod go I .... Cuz I sure didn't live in a box
It is off the wall to think that a parent is not the most influential factor in molding a child into the person they become.
A parent can't keep a round-the-clock watch over their child. That is why a parent teaches their child to be responsible. While it is impossible to raise a perfect person, when your kid makes a huge error (like getting pregnant at 15) you screwed up in a big way. That doesn't make you a bad person at all, but it might mean that you aren't an outstanding enough person to be Vice President. After all, shouldn't our highest elected officials be embodiments of the very best our nation can be?
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I understand both statements. He does not want them punished with a baby or an std. Yet, without consequences for our actions do we truly learn from our mistakes?
And now you fall into the trap..
Obama was basiclly saying he wanted them to learn about it before hand, so they didn't have to get stuck learning the "hard way". That is exactlly what a good parent should do for their kids in a situation as imporant as a baby or a STD.
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wow... I can't leave you kids alone for a minute....
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Perhaps the goverment should someway prohibit children from having kids in the first place, somehow medically remove the ability to have children untill you are at the age of 18.
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And now you fall into the trap..
Obama was basiclly saying he wanted them to learn about it before hand, so they didn't have to get stuck learning the "hard way". That is exactlly what a good parent should do for their kids in a situation as imporant as a baby or a STD.
Obama's statement said nothing of "learning the hard way".
He spcifically said "punished for a mistake".
There is a difference.
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Perhaps the goverment should someway prohibit children from having kids in the first place, somehow medically remove the ability to have children untill you are at the age of 18.
While they have not done this across the board, they have made it mostly a reality with abortions as birth control.
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It is off the wall to think that a parent is not the most influential factor in molding a child into the person they become.
A parent can't keep a round-the-clock watch over their child. That is why a parent teaches their child to be responsible. While it is impossible to raise a perfect person, when your kid makes a huge error (like getting pregnant at 15) you screwed up in a big way. That doesn't make you a bad person at all, but it might mean that you aren't an outstanding enough person to be Vice President. After all, shouldn't our highest elected officials be embodiments of the very best our nation can be?
So my parents were failures for having 2 out of 8 kids act like social rejects? 2 out of 8 refused to be taught, refused to listen, went their own way instead of what they were being taught be people who loved them...and that means my parents screwed up in a big way?
I think just the opposite, they succeeded with 6 that listened to them (for the most part). They were not failures, the failures were my 2 brothers.
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Perhaps the goverment should someway prohibit children from having kids in the first place, somehow medically remove the ability to have children untill you are at the age of 18.
I favor keeping them either caged or on a leash. Strays should be shot.
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And now you fall into the trap..
Obama was basiclly saying he wanted them to learn about it before hand, so they didn't have to get stuck learning the "hard way". That is exactlly what a good parent should do for their kids in a situation as imporant as a baby or a STD.
I think Donzo answered this quite well.
You also have to actually set a trap for someone to fall into it. ;)
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I favor keeping them either caged or on a leash. Strays should be shot.
Closets work well too.....not that I would know of course..... :noid
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So my parents were failures for having 2 out of 8 kids act like social rejects? 2 out of 8 refused to be taught, refused to listen, went their own way instead of what they were being taught be people who loved them...and that means my parents screwed up in a big way?
I think just the opposite, they succeeded with 6 that listened to them (for the most part). They were not failures, the failures were my 2 brothers.
At some point, I would hazard a guess, your 2 brothers were faced with choices that led them to the paths of (as you call it) failure. Your parents, still guessing here as I know very little of this situation, failed to prepare them for those choices.
Perhaps the influence for your brothers' decision making processes came from a source other than your parents. So, if that were the case, they would not be directly responsible. Perhaps, though, they could have kept your brothers from being influenced by this hypothetical outside person or source, making them indirectly responsible. Maybe with so many siblings, they were the ones that got the least of your parents attention. Who knows? I guess it doesn't matter as they are not attempting to be at the top of the Executive branch of the government.
I hope I'm not offending you by throwing all of that conjecture out there regarding your family. You did bring it up, though, and asked me what I thought.
Let me ask you this: Do you think all of the laws that hold parents financially responsible for their (juvenile) children's criminal activities should be thrown out? For instance - in my area, they are considering a law that would hold parents accountable for their kids that spray paint or otherwise vandalize. There are many laws like this all over the country. That just goes to show that many Americans do think that parents are responsible for their kids - whether they know what those kids are doing or not.
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At some point, I would hazard a guess, your 2 brothers were faced with choices that led them to the paths of (as you call it) failure. Your parents, still guessing here as I know very little of this situation, failed to prepare them for those choices
They prepared us all the same. You can only teach so much, at some point it is upon the student to be willing to listen and learn. Both of my brothers chose to follow the bad influences of friends at school instead of what they had been taught.
My parents even sought outside help for those two, it made no difference, Rex and Dave went there own way, chose the *dark side* if you will.
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Obama's statement said nothing of "learning the hard way".
He spcifically said "punished for a mistake".
There is a difference.
what is the difference? btw I dont like Obama, but I dont like hypocrits either.
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This women keeps getting better and better. Now it's being reported she tried to ban books in the public library when she first became mayor. This also involves yet another firing because she fired the liberian who refused to censor the books. Palin later had to ease away from the subject and back off because it became a big up roar in the town.
http://www.gamepolitics.com/2008/09/03/republican-vp-choice-sarah-palin-tried-ban-books
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/03/us/politics/03wasilla.html?_r=2&pagewanted=1&hp&oref=slogin
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12987.html
http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1837918,00.html
There is no way McCain vetted this women properly and the reports are likely true that his team didn't even start checking her out until the day before he asked her to be VP. No possible way any politician in their right mind would select someone with this much crap in their background. Either way it shows McCain's total lack of good judgment.
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what is the difference? btw I dont like Obama, but I dont like hypocrits either.
Here, I'll give your typical response:
:confused:
But since you apparently do not know the difference here goes:
"Learning the hard way" implies that you do not know right from wrong.
“Punished for a mistake” implies that you in fact knew right from wrong and made a bad decision….you made a mistake in judgement.
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I think most are missing the huge thing here....
The fact is that no matter what our upbringing... and especially in a family of 5 kids... one or more of us is gonna make a mistake that may or may not affect our whole lives for a moments mistake.
How we deal with that shows our character and the character of the folks who raised us.
She is taking responsibility for her act and so is her future husband.. A happy, healthy human will come into the world who.. hopefully will get the same individualist values and sense of responsibility.
One child like this is worth ten of osamabamas childrens aborted ones.
We need more people like those in the Palin family.
lazs
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I have 7 siblings. 6 of them still survive. We were all raised the same way by our parents. We were taught that drug abuse was bad, that stealing was wrong. We were taught basic Christian morals and values. Two of my brothers were involved in dealing drugs and burglaries for a couple of years until one of them got caught and spent some time in jail. How does it reflect poorly on my parents when 2 of my siblings acted like social rejects and the other 6 of us didn't?
It obviously wasn't bad parenting because 6 of us did things right. (more or less) It was my brothers choices that reflected badly on my brothers.
*edit* Actually, the dealing drugs part started for both of them in high school as an easy way to make more money than they could at the part time jobs they had. Their drug dealing went on for quite a few years.
OMG Elfie !!!
Your parents are pox upon society ... you should disown them, and if you and the rest of you siblings have children ... DO NOT LET THEM NEAR THEIR GRANDPARENTS ... for fear that they will become drug dealers and thiefs.
:rolleyes:
It is quite obvious that some of these posters do not have children or don't have teenage children.
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It is quite obvious that some of these posters do not have children or don't have teenage children.
Yah think?
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After all, shouldn't our highest elected officials be embodiments of the very best our nation can be?
Exactly ... that's why I think that a self-proclaimed drug user and abuser should never be allowed to become the President.
That trait is nothing but a sign of weakness which may manifest itself while in office, and it's also obvious that his mother must share in the blame ... what other shady "values" did she instill into her child which may surface while serving as the President ?
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Exactly ... that's why I think that a self-proclaimed drug user and abuser should never be allowed to become the President.
That trait is nothing but a sign of weakness which may manifest itself while in office, and it's also obvious that his mother must share in the blame ... what other shady "values" did she instill into her child which may surface while serving as the President ?
You ever have a beer? cocktail? Glas of wine? Substance abuser. How about an inhaler? insulin? Drug addict.
Get real. 'Sign of weakness'; my ass.
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It is off the wall to think that a parent is not the most influential factor in molding a child into the person they become.
A parent can't keep a round-the-clock watch over their child. That is why a parent teaches their child to be responsible. While it is impossible to raise a perfect person, when your kid makes a huge error (like getting pregnant at 15) you screwed up in a big way. That doesn't make you a bad person at all, but it might mean that you aren't an outstanding enough person to be Vice President. After all, shouldn't our highest elected officials be embodiments of the very best our nation can be?
Horsepucky. I raised 2 boys and 2 girls. None of them brought any kids into this world out of wedlock but if you think that I and every other parent of a teenager doesn't sweat that you are sorely mistaken. For many it is just plain luck they aren't in the same boat as Palin.
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You ever have a beer? cocktail? Glas of wine? Substance abuser. How about an inhaler? insulin? Drug addict.
Get real. 'Sign of weakness'; my ass.
Take it easy Hang ... it was a facetious post ... to show the lunacy in which other choose to post.
Making statements such as ... parents are failures because their teenage kids did this or that ... or that one has a flawed character, which should preclude them from serving in government positions, because of their past choices ... is plain ridiculous.
If Palin is going to be judged with that type of scrutiny ... then so should the opposition.
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If Palin is going to be judged with that type of scrutiny ... then so should the opposition.
So they should - no argument here.
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Horsepucky. I raised 2 boys and 2 girls. None of them brought any kids into this world out of wedlock but if you think that I and every other parent of a teenager doesn't sweat that you are sorely mistaken. For many it is just plain luck they aren't in the same boat as Palin.
I guess you did a good job. I'd probably vote for you. Wait...I guess someone can get married at 15...
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Take it easy Hang ... it was a facetious post ... to show the lunacy in which other choose to post.
Making statements such as ... parents are failures because their teenage kids did this or that ... or that one has a flawed character, which should preclude them from serving in government positions, because of their past choices ... is plain ridiculous.
If Palin is going to be judged with that type of scrutiny ... then so should the opposition.
Ah, ok. yah had my ballz inna uproar. ;)
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Just checking in. I see Larry Flint is still foaming at the mouth. That tells me the VP choice was a good one.
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:lol
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Take it easy Hang ... it was a facetious post ... to show the lunacy in which other choose to post.
Making statements such as ... parents are failures because their teenage kids did this or that ... or that one has a flawed character, which should preclude them from serving in government positions, because of their past choices ... is plain ridiculous.
If Palin is going to be judged with that type of scrutiny ... then so should the opposition.
If we don't judge someone based on their past, especially someone running for public office, how exactly do we form an opinion about them? Do we take a wild guess? I always thought we examined their professional and personal record. We are trying to make informed choices aren't we?
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If we don't judge someone based on their past, especially someone running for public office, how exactly do we form an opinion about them? Do we take a wild guess? I always thought we examined their professional and personal record. We are trying to make informed choices aren't we?
I'm not inhaling any of this.
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If we don't judge someone based on their past, especially someone running for public office, how exactly do we form an opinion about them? Do we take a wild guess? I always thought we examined their professional and personal record. We are trying to make informed choices aren't we?
I'm guessing you won't even consider Obama then due to his association with a terrorist and lunatic preacher?
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I'm guessing you won't even consider Obama then due to his association with a terrorist and lunatic preacher?
Let alone being funded by and buying property from (at a special 'professional courtesy discount') a convicted felon.
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I'm guessing you won't even consider Obama then due to his association with a terrorist and lunatic preacher?
That's different. :rofl
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I'm guessing you won't even consider Obama then due to his association with a terrorist and lunatic preacher?
Which terrorist? And I forgot where I heard this from (a quick Google search would probably show where), but it was shown that that stuff about his house is bogus.
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Which terrorist? And I forgot where I heard this from (a quick Google search would probably show where), but it was shown that that stuff about his house is bogus.
Indeed, google is your friend.
http://marathonpundit.blogspot.com/2008/02/obamas-bill-ayers-problem.html
You do know who Obama's preacher was for he better part of 20 years right? You are familiar with some of his rants?
Will you not hold Obama to the same standard you do Palin?
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Which terrorist? And I forgot where I heard this from (a quick Google search would probably show where), but it was shown that that stuff about his house is bogus.
Black Panthers.... meow!
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Which terrorist?
Weatherman http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weatherman_(organization)
Bill Ayers http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Ayers
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what is it with new accounts, less than 100 posts and they are rambling on here like they been part of the community for years?.......
btw, whatever happened to spratjackle? a few days ago he was all over the place.
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btw, whatever happened to spratjackle? a few days ago he was all over the place.
Flicked :aok
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It is quite obvious that some of these posters do not have children or don't have teenage children.
Yup.
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what is it with new accounts, less than 100 posts and they are rambling on here like they been part of the community for years?.......
btw, whatever happened to spratjackle? a few days ago he was all over the place.
He turned into Iwalrus? :O
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If we don't judge someone based on their past, especially someone running for public office, how exactly do we form an opinion about them? Do we take a wild guess? I always thought we examined their professional and personal record. We are trying to make informed choices aren't we?
Then I guess Obama is out due to his past propensity for drug use/abuse.
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btw, whatever happened to spratjackle? a few days ago he was all over the place.
tripped over a vowel and fell into his own anal orifice?
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tripped over a vowel and fell into his own anal orifice?
:rofl
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This women keeps getting better and better. Now it's being reported she tried to ban books in the public library when she first became mayor. This also involves yet another firing because she fired the liberian who refused to censor the books. Palin later had to ease away from the subject and back off because it became a big up roar in the town.
http://www.gamepolitics.com/2008/09/03/republican-vp-choice-sarah-palin-tried-ban-books
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/03/us/politics/03wasilla.html?_r=2&pagewanted=1&hp&oref=slogin
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12987.html
http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1837918,00.html
There is no way McCain vetted this women properly and the reports are likely true that his team didn't even start checking her out until the day before he asked her to be VP. No possible way any politician in their right mind would select someone with this much crap in their background. Either way it shows McCain's total lack of good judgment.
From your own first link:
Shortly after becoming mayor, former city officials and Wasilla residents said, Ms. Palin approached the town librarian about the possibility of banning some books, though she never followed through...
And....
According to the Frontiersman newspaper, Wasilla’s library director, Mary Ellen Emmons, said that Palin asked her outright if she "could live with censorship of library books.” Palin later dismissed the conversation as a “rhetorical” exercise.
Palin asked one time, which would be consistent with a conversation that was merely a rhetorical exercise. All 4 links agree on this. The only information that is different comes from the fourth link.
"She asked the library how she could go about banning books," he says, because some voters thought they had inappropriate language in them. "
Sounds like she was responding to something that at least some of her constituents wanted. (I am not condoning censorship)
She did fire the librarian, although the links don't give the exact reason for the firing. The librarian was allowed to come back after the public supported her, but she ended up leaving the job and Wasilla a couple of years later anyways.
Allowing the librarian to come back shows a willingness to correct mistakes (real or perceived) imo.
It's not surprising that there was some turmoil surrounding her beginnings as Mayor of Wasilla, it was after all, her first real executive position as a politician. I expect she made some mistakes and had some things that were done well. Her mistakes couldn't have been to big or costly since she was reelected for a second term.
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Her mistakes couldn't have been to big or costly since she was reelected for a second term.
And then she went on to get the nod as Governor of the State of Alaska ... all the while taking on her own "party" and unseating one of the "Good Ole Boys" from the Governor's mansion ... yup ... the people of Alaska really took to heart all her terrible "failings" as mayor and still voted her for Governor ... ohh ... or was it her "successes" that got her into the mansion ?
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And then she went on to get the nod as Governor of the State of Alaska ... all the while taking on her own "party" and unseating one of the "Good Ole Boys" from the Governor's mansion ... yup ... the people of Alaska really took to heart all her terrible "failings" as mayor and still voted her for Governor ... ohh ... or was it her "successes" that got her into the mansion ?
It was the nice knockers.
(http://www.ladyofthecake.com/mel/frank/images/knockers.jpg)
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And then she went on to get the nod as Governor of the State of Alaska ... all the while taking on her own "party" and unseating one of the "Good Ole Boys" from the Governor's mansion ... yup ... the people of Alaska really took to heart all her terrible "failings" as mayor and still voted her for Governor ... ohh ... or was it her "successes" that got her into the mansion ?
I didn't think I needed to point this part out, but in retrospect and considering some of the posters here that are grasping at any straw, no matter how bent and warped it is, I should have pointed this out anyways. Thanks for covering for my failure to do so. :D
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Earlier this year, John McCain's Vice Presidential pick, Sarah Palin, slashed funding for programs that help support teen mothers in her state of Alaska.
(http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/766/jeneauoptbg4.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
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Earlier this year, John McCain's Vice Presidential pick, Sarah Palin, slashed funding for programs that help support teen mothers in her state of Alaska.
(http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/766/jeneauoptbg4.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
And your point is...?
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Earlier this year, John McCain's Vice Presidential pick, Sarah Palin, slashed funding for programs that help support teen mothers in her state of Alaska.
It's funny. When my great niece got pregnant at the same age as Bristol, no one considered letting the state pay for her mistake. Wasn't the state taxpayers' responsibility. Her Tennessee, Christian family pulled together. The kids, poised for college, had to change plans. Their parents were hard working, but hardly rich and difficult choices had to be made. Since they had pride and dignity they made those choices. The kids got married. The parents helped out with getting a house built on some inherited property. The young mom raised her kid (followed by several more in wedlock) with some help from the family -- but mostly pulling their own weight. The young man went to work and built himself up. They are still married more than a 15 years later. Sounds like the Palin experience. Are Alaska taxpayers expected to pay Bristol's way? Don't think so.
Compare and contrast to urban Chicago, full of progressive democratic handout programs for those "poor" people. You have mothers with multiple illegitimate children by multiple fathers (who walk out as soon as the babymomma gets knocked up to father other children with other women) getting a fair sum of my tax dollars to go out partying while the streets raise their kids. Not only is personal responsibility a dirty word, there are govt. program rewards for irresponsible behavior to discourage personal responsibility. In many cases it's a multigenerational way of life. And I pay the highest tax rate in America to support them and their "way of life."
Sorry, but the way Palin's family is handling this whole issue points out the core failure of progressive policy and why so many of us who are not loads on society find it offensive.
Charon
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Earlier this year, John McCain's Vice Presidential pick, Sarah Palin, slashed funding for programs that help support teen mothers in her state of Alaska.
(http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/766/jeneauoptbg4.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
Proof?
Linky?
No Blogs, please.
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LNAO, I remember a statehouse steps interview with Jesse Venture just after he became governor on MN, when a reporterette asked him "Well, what are you going to do about the unwed mothers?" He responded "Now why should THAT be MY problem?" Said reporterette stared at him blankly :aok
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btw, whatever happened to spratjackle? a few days ago he was all over the place.
It appears that Skuzzy flicked that booger.
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(http://i392.photobucket.com/albums/pp9/Tapakeg72/OBAMACARTOON3.jpg)
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It appears that Skuzzy flicked that booger.
Yeah he did.....easy booger to flick too, dried up crusty old thing prolly got flicked a mile.......not that I have any experience or anything...... :uhoh
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Then I guess Obama is out due to his past propensity for drug use/abuse.
I know I would never vote for him.
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Did anyone even notice how many times they showed Palins daughter that is [pregnant last night when they did the crowd shots? Bet not....Almost everytime they cut away to crowd reaction...they showed her daughter and her boyfriend....It was a bit wierd.
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Did anyone even notice how many times they showed Palins daughter that is [pregnant last night when they did the crowd shots? Bet not....Almost everytime they cut away to crowd reaction...they showed her daughter and her boyfriend....It was a bit wierd.
They showed her a few times that's for sure.