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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: crockett on September 25, 2008, 08:33:37 AM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjkCrfylq-E
It's amazing we always have to leave it up to the comedians to be the ones to actually say it like it is. If you don't know, John McCain was scheduled to be on his show last night, but canceled at the last min because he was canceling his campaign. Yet at the same time he was supposed to be on Dave's show McCain is doing a interview for ABC. (this is of course after he told Dave he had to leave right away for Washington)
Letterman, brings up a very valid point. Why on earth would McCain cancel his campaign when he has a running mate that's supposed ready to run this country, yet she can't even take over his campaign for a few days. Think about that.. McCain can't even trust Palin to take the helm of their campaign for a few days so he can go to the White house. Yet we are supposed to trust that she could actually run this country in a time of need.
You think Joe Biden is not going to be out campaigning while Obama is in Washington.. Hell no he's going to be out there playing the role of number two and doing what needs to be done. This was the perfect time for McCain to allow Palian to stand up and show the country she has what it take.. Yet obviously she doesn't.
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Guess we know who letterman is voting for...
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Guess we know who letterman is voting for...
Actually he had a lot of good things to say about McCain however it seems he understands you can still like someone and also speak your opinion about them. I get the impression Letterman really likes McCain or at least the "old McCain" but he thinks Palin was a horrible pick and isn't scared to say it.
As a side note this is a interview that was posted on youtube yesterday with Palin.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vbg6hF0nShQ
Just watch this interview and she just doesn't have a clue. If she gets hit with a question she doesn't have a scripted response for, she just doesn't have a clue as to what to say. It's no wonder McCain couldn't trust her to run the campaign for a few days. She just bables, if she doesn't have a scripted answer.
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Isn't Biden a sitting US Senator as well? He better have have his butt parked in his seat doing his job right along side McCain and Obama. This is important stuff going on (700 BILLION worth of taxpayers money looking to be handed out) and they OWE it to the people that put them there to do their damn jobs, Presidential Campaign be damned.
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If she gets hit with a question she doesn't have a scripted response for, she just doesn't have a clue as to what to say. It's no wonder McCain couldn't trust her to run the campaign for a few days. She just bables, if she doesn't have a scripted answer.
She probably had to study tapes of Obama to pick up that technique, even though he's still way better at babbling when unscripted.
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Isn't Biden a sitting US Senator as well? He better have have his butt parked in his seat doing his job right along side McCain and Obama. This is important stuff going on (700 BILLION worth of taxpayers money looking to be handed out) and they OWE it to the people that put them there to do their damn jobs, Presidential Campaign be damned.
Yet what does Palin have to do other than campaign? You have to admit this was the perfect time McCain could have given Palin the reigns and let her prove to America that she is ready to do the job. Yet it seems even McCain doesn't believe she is..
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Oh yeah, like anyone should give a watermelon about David Lettermans opinion. He is a nasty jerk in real life, who has well proven he is an extreme left wing jerk. When he had Bill O'Reilly on his show, he proved himself to be a fool. He told O'Reilly he didn't agree with what Bill says on his show, when Bill asked what did he not agree with, he then stated he couldn't name anything in particular as he had never actually watched the show. WHAT? He never has watched the show but doesn't agree with what the man says on it?
Letterman has obviously been drinking the left wing moron Kook-aid. Similiar to our own Davey boy.
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still haven't figured out what angle they are trying for, I mean, if it's to look concerned then never should they cancel their campaign, it's the campaign of his that is supposed to bring change and by the looks of things, we need it.
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Oh yeah, like anyone should give a watermelon about David Lettermans opinion. He is a nasty jerk in real life, who has well proven he is an extreme left wing jerk. When he had Bill O'Reilly on his show, he proved himself to be a fool. He told O'Reilly he didn't agree with what Bill says on his show, when Bill asked what did he not agree with, he then stated he couldn't name anything in particular as he had never actually watched the show. WHAT? He never has watched the show but doesn't agree with what the man says on it?
Letterman has obviously been drinking the left wing moron Kook-aid. Similiar to our own Davey boy.
Letterman has more class in his right pinkie than Oreily has in his whole soul. :aok
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Yet what does Palin have to do other than campaign? You have to admit this was the perfect time McCain could have given Palin the reigns and let her prove to America that she is ready to do the job. Yet it seems even McCain doesn't believe she is..
Did I say ANYTHING about Palin? I could care less about what she is or isn't doing. She isn't a sitting Senator. I SAID that McCain, Obama, and Bidden NEED to have their butts in thier seats and work on this issue like WE the American tax payers are PAYING them to do.
There are 700 BILLION dollars of OUR money at stake and people like you want to discuss if McCains running mate is ready to lead his campaign or not? Why not try and keeping your eye on the freaking ball for once.
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Oh yeah, like anyone should give a watermelon about David Lettermans opinion. He is a nasty jerk in real life, who has well proven he is an extreme left wing jerk. When he had Bill O'Reilly on his show, he proved himself to be a fool. He told O'Reilly he didn't agree with what Bill says on his show, when Bill asked what did he not agree with, he then stated he couldn't name anything in particular as he had never actually watched the show. WHAT? He never has watched the show but doesn't agree with what the man says on it?
Letterman has obviously been drinking the left wing moron Kook-aid. Similiar to our own Davey boy.
It doesn't matter who said it.. It could have been the Pope or Andy Dick. It's not who speaks the words, it's the words that are spoken that matters. What Lettermen said was true.
If McCain thought Palin was ready to run this country like he claims, he should have had her take over the campaign rather than cancel it. This just shows he can't even trust her with their campaign yet we the American public are supposed to trust that she could run this country in a time of need.
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I personally make all my really important decisions based on opinions of comedians and talk show hosts.
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If the McC team has any brains they are doing this to take control of the economic issue.
The current Treasury/Fed/Administration plan screws the taxpayers and rewards the dipshirts that caused the problem.
This is an opportunity for McC to show his inner maverick again. He can distance himself from EeEEv111lll Boosh, the Wall Street Elite and stand up for the average American taxpayer.
Allan Meltzer has a better plan: http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/business/july-dec08/bailouttalk_09-23.html
Well, I've listened to governments tell me for 40 years that there was a crisis and the world was going to fall apart if we didn't do this or that. But there have been a few cases where they weren't able to do that.
One was the commercial paper crisis in 1970. There have been several others. The world did not fall apart. Last week, we had Lehman Brothers went into bankruptcy. Within three days, most of the assets were sold.
We had AIG turn down three offers to buy the company because they thought they would get a better deal from the government. It turned out they didn't get the better deal from the government. Now the stockholders suddenly woke up and said -- the major stockholders said, "We'd like to buy the company."
Well, that's what I think we need to do. We need to get the government's hand out of this, and let's see whether we can't get a market solution.
The market people caused this problem. They ought to be the ones that pay the cost of having it cleaned up.
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Yes. I don't want to join a debate about different ways of picking the public's pocket. I think, if they're going to do something -- and I don't think that we really need to do anything. I've heard these stories over and over for 40 years. You know, maybe there will be a crisis.
But despite all the talk, Main Street is not doing so badly. And the fact is that they've been predicting disaster since January. It hasn't happened.
And if they're going to do something, then what they ought to do is make loans, which the financial institutions have to repay with interest. And if you think -- that's an idea which the Chileans have used in a bigger crisis than this for them in 1982, and it worked for them.
People paid back the loans. They weren't allowed to pay dividends until they repaid the loans. They weren't allowed to take bonuses until they repaid the loans. I think that's the way -- if we're going to do this, then that's the way we should do it.
This guy Ian Welsh has a better plan:http://firedoglake.com/2008/09/19/how-to-bail-out-ordinary-mortgage-holders-and-not-just-banks/
The government is talking about setting up a Trust to buy distressed debt then sell it again. The problem is that the Trust company will simply bail out banks at taxpayer expense without helping mortgage holders much. The mortgages it sells will still be underwater, or too expensive for many people to service, especially as their houses lose value.
The other proposal, just giving money to people to pay for their mortgages, is bad also. Housing prices are actually dropping, most mortgages issues were bad mortgages with horrible penalty clauses, based on assumptions about housing values which are just wrong. House prices are going to keep dropping.
What the government should do instead is set up a Trust to buy mortgages at a discount, then reset them to 20, 30 or 50 year fixed mortgages with a reduced face amount. If the house is later sold, half of the increase goes to the government, so that taxpayers make a profit. The mortgage cannot be paid off before the end of its term so that financial scavengers cannot come around and, as they did over the last ten years, say "get rid of that mortgage, and take ours. It's better. Honest!", because we know that when they say better, they don't mean better for the mortgage holder. The mortgage is attached to the property and is transfered to any new buyer. And the mortgage cannot be removed from the property, and any new mortgages attached to the property are junior to the government mortgage.
End results:
a) a floor is set for mortgage prices. (Whatever discount the government is buying at. Probably 60% to 70%, but it should be based on what the long run price was in the area before the housing bubble.) This ends the confidence crisis in these securities, because there is now a market price—what the Trust will pay.
b) It helps homeowners stay in their homes.
c) It gets rid of overly complex mortgages and puts in their place a dead simple mortgage that anyone can understand.
d) It punishes lenders, which they deserve, for making loans they should never have made.
e) While it does keep homeowners in their homes, it doesn't let them off scot-free either. In exchange for a good mortgage they can service, they give up some of the future profits on sales in their houses.
f) The government will almost certainly make a long term profit on this. This is important, because it's not fair for people who aren't underwater on mortgages to spend hundreds of billions or trillions bailing out those who are without some expectation that in the end it won't be more than just a transfer of wealth to them and to investors and banks.
If McC uses this opportunity to come up with something like what these guys are proposing he looks like a leader, he looks like he's for the taxpayer and he looks like he really is the one that will bring change to this sordid mess in DC.
But... he may just go business as usual, flub around doing nothing of import and completely lose the election in the next two weeks.
Could go either way. :)
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I personally make all my really important decisions based on opinions of comedians and talk show hosts.
It's always funny how you right wingers always have to try to discredit the person saying something rather than actually put up a argument about what was said. Then again that's typical of people that know they don't have a leg to stand on.
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Letterman has been in the tank for Dems for years and has been ripping on McCain from the very beginning. He says he can't make fun of Obama because he would look racist. Of course that never stopped him from making fun of Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and Condoleezza Rice.
It's kinda like saying Rush Limbaugh speaks the truth about Obama.
There may be some truth in what they say but they are going to slant it to favor their side.
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If the McC team has any brains they are doing this to take control of the economic issue.
The current Treasury/Fed/Administration plan screws the taxpayers and rewards the dipshirts that caused the problem.
This is an opportunity for McC to show his inner maverick again. He can distance himself from EeEEv111lll Boosh, the Wall Street Elite and stand up for the average American taxpayer.
Allan Meltzer has a better plan: http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/business/july-dec08/bailouttalk_09-23.html
This guy Ian Welsh has a better plan:http://firedoglake.com/2008/09/19/how-to-bail-out-ordinary-mortgage-holders-and-not-just-banks/
If McC uses this opportunity to come up with something like what these guys are proposing he looks like a leader, he looks like he's for the taxpayer and he looks like he really is the one that will bring change to this sordid mess in DC.
But... he may just go business as usual, flub around doing nothing of import and completely lose the election in the next two weeks.
Could go either way. :)
We have a vice president for a reason. The VP is there to get things done that the President can't do and to take over running the show if the President is no longer able to do so. Sorry but you can't just up and cancel out running the country for a few days if the president is incapacitated. You know it as well as I do that this was the perfect opportunity to show the American people that she is ready to take the helm and they just showed she isn't.
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Letterman has been in the tank for Dems for years and has been ripping on McCain from the very beginning. He says he can't make fun of Obama because he would look racist. Of course that never stopped him from making fun of Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and Condoleezza Rice.
It's kinda like saying Rush Limbaugh speaks the truth about Obama.
There may be some truth in what they say but they are going to slant it to favor their side.
Of course pretty much any talk show host is going to slant one way or another. That's just human nature. However can you honestly not say that he has a valid point about this? I mean really if she is supposed to be ready to take control of this country, why can't she take control of the campaign for a few days? It's a very vaild question.
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What a buncha crap.Letterman brought in someone that didnt like McC to replace him and they took pot shots at him.Go Dave.
McC decided to do the job he was elected to while Obama decided not to.I love all the spin on it.This will bite Obama in the ass.
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crap......not worth it....nevermind.....
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What a buncha crap.Letterman brought in someone that didnt like McC to replace him and they took pot shots at him.Go Dave.
McC decided to do the job he was elected to while Obama decided not to.I love all the spin on it.This will bite Obama in the ass.
Yet again.. not one of you can actually focus on the question being raised, but rather have to resort to bashing the person asking the question.
I guess that means you guys all agree with him.. :rofl
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Isn't Biden a sitting US Senator as well? He better have have his butt parked in his seat doing his job right along side McCain and Obama. This is important stuff going on (700 BILLION worth of taxpayers money looking to be handed out) and they OWE it to the people that put them there to do their damn jobs, Presidential Campaign be damned.
Your not allowed to make this look like someone is doing the job their being paid to do.Shame on you. :lol
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Yet what does Palin have to do other than campaign? You have to admit this was the perfect time McCain could have given Palin the reigns and let her prove to America that she is ready to do the job. Yet it seems even McCain doesn't believe she is..
For one Palin wasnt voted to congress.Obama and McCain were.Its their job.They should BOTH be there in on this matter.Anything else shows their more worried about an election than the country.
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What are you rambling about?
You have three sitting Senators in this race, Obamessiah, McC and Bidenmytime. All three of those dicks ought to be in DC taking the lead on resolving this problem WITHOUT SCREWING THE TAXPAYERS.
THAT would be CHANGE. THAT would be something millions of us could get behind.
You think a few more bland-planned-not-to-offend scripted stump speeches are more important? You think a debate on foreign policy and national security is going to reveal any new positions from either of these guys? You think they will do anything besides answer the question they want to answer rather than the one that was asked?
You would rather see how they SAY they would act in a time of trouble rather than see what they DO in a time of trouble?
Pfffft.
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For one Palin wasnt voted to congress.Obama and McCain were.Its their job.They should BOTH be there in on this matter.Anything else shows their more worried about an election than the country.
What are you talking about? Palin is the number two on the Republican ticket. She should be quite capable of taking over the campaign while McCain goes to Washington to deal with the economy. She doesn't have to be in congress to run the campaign, she is a damn state Governor and McCain doesn't seem to trust her enough to let her run the campaign a few days. His best option was to close up shop rather than let her run it.
I know how he feels though, because I can't stand woman drivers either.. :lol
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still haven't figured out what angle they are trying for, I mean, if it's to look concerned then never should they cancel their campaign, it's the campaign of his that is supposed to bring change and by the looks of things, we need it.
I'll tell you what he trying to say....Like all liberals...instead of looking at the important things
that need attention, they think of ways to make the GOP look bad so hopefully
it will make them look good.
WHO GIVES A CRAP ABOUT WHAT LETTERMAN SAID?? We have a country going down in flames
and crocket and his liberal idiot friends want to spread a bunch of bullcrap to make their
party look good, instaed of thinking of ways to save our country...tipical liberal lies and bull.
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Yet again.. not one of you can actually focus on the question being raised, but rather have to resort to bashing the person asking the question.
I guess that means you guys all agree with him.. :rofl
For 1.Its not the campaign thats at issue.Its a debate between Obama and McCain.Not Obama and Palin.Its a debate for the presidency.Not between Obama and Palin.
McCain decided to go do the job he was elected to do while Obama said he will campaign and "They will call me if they need me." Wow.So decisive. hes chewing that 800 bill bailout a new butt but he doesnt have time to go do the job he was elected to do and work on it.Yup.Hes all about change fur sure.
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Letterman has more class in his right pinkie than Oreily has in his whole soul. :aok
What flavor Kool-Aid do you drink? :D :D
O'Reilly lets his guest talk, and even gives them the last word. Even those he disagrees with. Letterman is the opposite. Letterman has no class.
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I personally make all my really important decisions based on opinions of comedians and talk show hosts.
Very good point, and since I have some self-respect, I don't hold up a comedian as someone who "speaks the truth". :rolleyes:
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What are you talking about? Palin is the number two on the Republican ticket. She should be quite capable of taking over the campaign while McCain goes to Washington to deal with the economy. She doesn't have to be in congress to run the campaign, she is a damn state Governor and McCain doesn't seem to trust her enough to let her run the campaign a few days. His best option was to close up shop rather than let her run it.
I know how he feels though, because I can't stand woman drivers either.. :lol
I find it funny that your taking a statement made by a comedian talk show host so freakin serious. Your formulating your whole opinion on it. Just because you think it's a valid point, what makes you think McCain and Palin, or even Obama or Biden for that matter think lettermans statement means anything? By your logic because letterman said that Palin should run the campaign she should, if letterman said we should nuke a country, we should?
From your posts, i think you'll run on ANY statement by ANYONE that has ANYTHING bad to say about a republican.
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What are you rambling about?
You have three sitting Senators in this race, Obamessiah, McC and Bidenmytime. All three of those dicks ought to be in DC taking the lead on resolving this problem WITHOUT SCREWING THE TAXPAYERS.
THAT would be CHANGE. THAT would be something millions of us could get behind.
You think a few more bland-planned-not-to-offend scripted stump speeches are more important? You think a debate on foreign policy and national security is going to reveal any new positions from either of these guys? You think they will do anything besides answer the question they want to answer rather than the one that was asked?
You would rather see how they SAY they would act in a time of trouble rather than see what they DO in a time of trouble?
Pfffft.
I agree but I will do one better.
Obama and McCain are now the elected leaders of their parties so they need to be in the middle of anything big that goes on in Washington. Whether they actually help or not is not important. They must show the others in their party what direction they want them to go and that they are now in charge. Saying people will call you if needed is not leading.
How can you expect to lead your people when you are in the back of the line?
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I find it funny that your taking a statement made by a comedian talk show host so freakin serious. Your formulating your whole opinion on it. Just because you think it's a valid point, what makes you think McCain and Palin, or even Obama or Biden for that matter think lettermans statement means anything? By your logic because letterman said that Palin should run the campaign, if letterman said we should nuke a country, we should?
From your posts, i think you'll run on ANY statement by ANYONE that has ANYTHING bad to say about a republican.
What I find funny is not a single one of you can address the question being raised, but rather have to attack the status symbol of Letterman being a comedian. I think you know deep down that what he said is true, you just can't force your self to admit it.
Oh and yea, I'm sorry that I take decisions made by someone who might be running my country in a few months seriously. Maybe if people took these kinds of decisions seriously we wouldn't have a sitting lame duck, as president right now.
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I agree but I will do one better.
Obama and McCain are now the elected leaders of their parties so they need to be in the middle of anything big that goes on in Washington. Whether they actually help or not is not important. They must show the others in their party what direction they want them to go and that they are now in charge. Saying people will call you if needed is not leading.
How can you expect to lead your people when you are in the back of the line?
This isn't a question about if McCain or Obama should be in Washington helping with the economy crisis. This is a question about Palin ability to lead if needed. it appears she isn't ready, if McCain can't even have her lead his campaign for a few days.
As I said before, the country doesn't just shut down if the President can't be there to do his job. That's the exact reason wed have a Vice President, so there is someone there to stand up and lead if the need arises.
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Do you have nothing more to talk about than this idiotic topic??
Great smoke screen!!
Hollywood lolololol
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This isn't a question about if McCain or Obama should be in Washington helping with the economy crisis.
Of course it is.
As I said before, the country doesn't just shut down if the President can't be there to do his job. That's the exact reason wed have a Vice President, so there is someone there to stand up and lead if the need arises.
Right now the job of the TWO SENATORS that want us to make the PRESIDENT should be to get to DC, take the lead in the Senate for their party and resolve this thing WITHOUT SCREWING THE TAXPAYERS.
There's CHANGE. There's LEADERSHIP in troubled times.
The campaigns are minor BS; always have been. They get 30 seconds on the evening news. BFD.
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This isn't a question about if McCain or Obama should be in Washington helping with the economy crisis. This is a question about Palin ability to lead if needed. it appears she isn't ready, if McCain can't even have her lead his campaign for a few days.
As I said before, the country doesn't just shut down if the President can't be there to do his job. That's the exact reason wed have a Vice President, so there is someone there to stand up and lead if the need arises.
What exactly do you expect her to do?Debate Obama? I mean whats your point here.She shouldnt have to debate Obama as he should be in Wash doing his job instead of saying he will wait for a call to say hes needed.
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What are you rambling about?
You have three sitting Senators in this race, Obamessiah, McC and Bidenmytime. All three of those dicks ought to be in DC taking the lead on resolving this problem WITHOUT SCREWING THE TAXPAYERS.
THAT would be CHANGE. THAT would be something millions of us could get behind.
You think a few more bland-planned-not-to-offend scripted stump speeches are more important? You think a debate on foreign policy and national security is going to reveal any new positions from either of these guys? You think they will do anything besides answer the question they want to answer rather than the one that was asked?
You would rather see how they SAY they would act in a time of trouble rather than see what they DO in a time of trouble?
Pfffft.
:aok
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This isn't a question about if McCain or Obama should be in Washington helping with the economy crisis. This is a question about Palin ability to lead if needed. it appears she isn't ready, if McCain can't even have her lead his campaign for a few days.
As I said before, the country doesn't just shut down if the President can't be there to do his job. That's the exact reason wed have a Vice President, so there is someone there to stand up and lead if the need arises.
You seem to be missing the point. McCain wants to stop his campaign till they solve this problem so there will be no distractions. Sending Palin out so the press can crucify her about what she named her kids or if her husband had an affair with her daughter will draw attention away from the real problem.
BTW McCain is not the President yet so Palin is not the VP so she does not have to "cover" for McCain yet.
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I'll tell you what he trying to say....Like all liberals...instead of looking at the important things
that need attention, they think of ways to make the GOP look bad so hopefully
it will make them look good.
WHO GIVES A CRAP ABOUT WHAT LETTERMAN SAID?? We have a country going down in flames
and crocket and his liberal idiot friends want to spread a bunch of bullcrap to make their
party look good, instaed of thinking of ways to save our country...tipical liberal lies and bull.
nah, I was talking about why McCain would "shut down" his campaign, it doesn't seem he would have to. Just wondering what the angle is?
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O'Reilly lets his guest talk,
which Oreily are you talking about?
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Sometimes I think Rosie O'Donnell starts these threads to prove her blinders are still in place.
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What I find funny is not a single one of you can address the question being raised, but rather have to attack the status symbol of Letterman being a comedian. I think you know deep down that what he said is true, you just can't force your self to admit it.
Oh and yea, I'm sorry that I take decisions made by someone who might be running my country in a few months seriously. Maybe if people took these kinds of decisions seriously we wouldn't have a sitting lame duck, as president right now.
I find it funny that you have to take a statement made by someone else and make a big stink about it, instead of formulating your own opinion. If letterman didn't say that, would you have even thought about it, probably not.
Personally i think it's a stupid question, that doesn't even deserve an answer, and here's why.
I'm not running for president, or vice, so i'll let them figure out what to do, since it's there job. I don't exactly know what Palin is, or plans on doing, but if McCain says, don't worry about the campaign now we don't need to be rock stars, take a break the people in alaska are more important, then i'm more than ok with that.
Once i see how they handle the situation, then i'll formulate my opinion on whether or not i agree, it's still to early.
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Of course it is.
Right now the job of the TWO SENATORS that want us to make the PRESIDENT should be to get to DC, take the lead in the Senate for their party and resolve this thing WITHOUT SCREWING THE TAXPAYERS.
There's CHANGE. There's LEADERSHIP in troubled times.
The campaigns are minor BS; always have been. They get 30 seconds on the evening news. BFD.
But yet again, they are in Washington, but this question is about Palin. Once again I ask you, why is it the number two person on the ticket, couldn't step up to the plate? Why was McCain's best option to cancel his campaign for a few days vs letting Palin run it? Where is her leadership?
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You seem to be missing the point. McCain wants to stop his campaign till they solve this problem so there will be no distractions. Sending Palin out so the press can crucify her about what she named her kids or if her husband had an affair with her daughter will draw attention away from the real problem.
BTW McCain is not the President yet so Palin is not the VP so she does not have to "cover" for McCain yet.
No I think you are missing the point, that this woman isn't ready to run this country if the need arises.
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It's always funny how you right wingers always have to try to discredit the person saying something rather than actually put up a argument about what was said. Then again that's typical of people that know they don't have a leg to stand on.
And did you take advice from the popular kids at school, or did you get it from your parents?
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David Letterman wouldn't know the truth if it bit him on the ass.
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So Crocket do you think it might be a good idea for a potential VP to be involved in a huge financial crisis? How do you know she isn't shadowing McC meeting the people she will soon be working with in Washington? Whats more important meeting with the local VFW group or helping to save the economy?
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No I think you are missing the point, that this woman isn't ready to run this country if the need arises.
Again I ask.... What exactly do you expect her to do?Debate Obama? I mean whats your point here.She shouldnt have to debate Obama as he should be in Wash doing his job instead of saying he will wait for a call to say hes needed.
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And did you take advice from the popular kids at school, or did you get it from your parents?
I've always been very hard headed and have always made my own decisions. However I fail to understand what that has to do with this topic? Are you trying to say these O'cluber's are just going with the flow and unable to answer a simple question, because they aren't able to form their own opinion? :lol
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Where is her leadership?
Well she does govern the largest state of our union by day. That's something. I play golf most days whereas she runs a state. Maybe there's the essence of fair play? If Obama and Biden are both in Washington DC doing their jobs as is McCain then why not let Governor Palin do her job? Maybe she'll be there in Washington observing. Who knows...at least I don't.
I think it's a fair given the weight of the decision to be made in Washington regarding the allocation of $700,000,000,000.00 to put aside the snowball fight to get to the job they all want to do to do the job they're supposed to do. This is something that could be quite revealing regarding their approaches to leadership and as an undecided voter I will be watching quite closely.
Back to your regularly scheduled polarized discussion...
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And the funny thing is when McC started out the dems blasted him for neglecting DC.Now they blast him for
"ducking the debates." Like I said.This will bite Obama in the keester.
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No I think you are missing the point, that this woman isn't ready to run this country if the need arises.
She isn't qualified to be President (which she isn't running for BTW) but Obama (he IS running for President BTW) is?
She is more qualified than Obama and you seem to have a problem with her but not him. Even though he is running for President and she isn't. Interesting.
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So Crocket do you think it might be a good idea for a potential VP to be involved in a huge financial crisis? How do you know she isn't shadowing McC meeting the people she will soon be working with in Washington? Whats more important meeting with the local VFW group or helping to save the economy?
No, I think it would be a good idea for a potential VP to stand up and show she can lead by taking control of the campaign in this time of need. Considering fact, that the biggest question on most of America's minds in regard to Palin is "can to do this job"?
I'd say taking the opportunity to stand up and show leadership by taking over the campaign rather than McCain having to cancel his campaign would go a long way toward showing she is ready to be a leader. The fact she couldn't do that, just raises even more questions about her not being ready for the job.
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David Letterman wouldn't know the truth if it bit him on the ass.
He is smarter than you.
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He's not as smart as you.
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No, I think it would be a good idea for a potential VP to stand up and show she can lead by taking control of the campaign in this time of need. Considering fact, that the biggest question on most of America's minds in regard to Palin is "can to do this job"?
I'd say taking the opportunity to stand up and show leadership by taking over the campaign rather than McCain having to cancel his campaign would go a long way toward showing she is ready to be a leader. The fact she couldn't do that, just raises even more questions about her not being ready for the job.
Ok lets see ya dodge the question yet again. What exactly do you expect her to do?Debate Obama? I mean whats your point here.She shouldnt have to debate Obama as he should be in Wash doing his job instead of saying he will wait for a call to say hes needed.
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I am a tard boi.
Admitting, is the first step in treatment. Good luck. :aok
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Admitting I'm a Tard is the first step in my treatment. Wish me Good luck. :aok
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You know the funny thing about all this.. is I've answered any question that any of you right wingers have asked me. Yet not a single one of you can even stick to the topic of Palin not being able to stand up to do the job. All you guys can do is dodge the issue by bashing Obama or Letterman.
I'm still waiting for even one of you to address the issue of this topic and actually give a good reason as to why Palin couldn't step up to the plate. 4 pages deep and you guys are still bashing Obama or Letterman dodging the issue at hand :rofl
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I am a gay, right wing nut, that wants to get it on with Newt Gingrich and Ruch Limbagh at the same time.
Damn, sorry bud there is no treatment for you, get a gun. :aok
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Damn, sorry bud there is no treatment for me, give me a gun. :aok
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You know the funny thing about all this.. is I've answered any question that any of you right wingers have asked me. Yet not a single one of you can even stick to the topic of Palin not being able to stand up to do the job. All you guys can do is dodge the issue by bashing Obama or Letterman.
I'm still waiting for even one of you to address the issue of this topic and actually give a good reason as to why Palin couldn't step up to the plate. 4 pages deep and you guys are still bashing Obama or Letterman dodging the issue at hand :rofl
Again...Yawn. What exactly do you expect her to do?Debate Obama? I mean whats your point here.She shouldnt have to debate Obama as he should be in Wash doing his job instead of saying he will wait for a call to say hes needed.
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You keep stating "couldn't run the campaign". You make statements like that as if it is some sort of fact. How hard is it to run a campaign? I don't know but my guess is that someone who can run a state could pull it off. So that leaves me with the assumption that she and McCain decided that this current situation was the more important then "running the campaign". I don't thing Jerry Springer likes Palin either. Is your next platform going to based on somthing he says. I can't wait.
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I just can't stop humping wildly around SkyRock's ankle, I'm sporting wood right now just thinking about him.
Stay away from me. :aok
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I'm a lumberjack, and I'm okay.
I sleep all night. I work all day.
I cut down trees. I wear high heels,
Suspendies, and a bra.
I wish I'd been a girlie,
Just like my dear Mama
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she and McCain decided that this current situation was the more important then "running the campaign".
What current situation? Unless they're voting on the bill at the same time the debate is scheduled, be there to vote no, no need to stop a debate over nothing.
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Ok lets see ya dodge the question yet again. What exactly do you expect her to do?Debate Obama? I mean whats your point here.She shouldnt have to debate Obama as he should be in Wash doing his job instead of saying he will wait for a call to say hes needed.
I didn't dodge anything.. I've answered that question before you ever asked it. What I expect her to do? I expect her to stand up and take the helms of their campaign showing she can lead if the need arises. The fact McCain had to cancel his campaign rather than let her run it, just raises more questions about her.
As for her debating Obama, well if she wanted to I didn't see the issue with it. However I think McCain should stand up and do it himself. This whole deal smells a whole lot like him trying to use the economy as a way to dodge the debates because he's slipping in the polls. There is no reason why they can't go to Washington and still hold a debate on Fri night even if it's not in Florida where it had been planned.
What happens if They hammer out a deal before Friday night.. Is McCain still going tro dodge the debate?
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When I think that SkyRock is on the BBS somewhere in america right now, the same time I am...I just get all tickly inside.
try a cold shower, then a gun. :aok
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What happens if They hammer out a deal before Friday night.. Is McCain still going tro dodge the debate?
This is a very important question.
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I need a cold shower, then a gun. :aok
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You keep stating "couldn't run the campaign". You make statements like that as if it is some sort of fact. How hard is it to run a campaign? I don't know but my guess is that someone who can run a state could pull it off. So that leaves me with the assumption that she and McCain decided that this current situation was the more important then "running the campaign". I don't thing Jerry Springer likes Palin either. Is your next platform going to based on somthing he says. I can't wait.
If it's not fact, then why did McCain have to close down his campaign? Also just a few weeks ago McCain claimed the economy was fine.. Now it's in such bad shape he has to cancel his campaign and dodge the debate? So that just shows he is out of touch with reality, when he couldn't see this was a problem a few weeks ago while others were warning of it. Now we are expected to assume he's riding to washington on his union going to save the day?
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If it's not fact, then why did McCain have to close down his campaign?
Because he wants to look like he is in take charge mode... not a bad political move if they can work out a bipartisan agreement that keeps the political bs out..
Debates can wait.. the country ... the people those 3 senators represent.. need to be there... they have an obligation to their constituents to represent them at the table..that is the whole point of electing them .. to sit at the table for you....
Letterman was po'd McCain dissed him... nothing more .. nothing less...
this argument is the lamest one on this bbs
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Because he wants to look like he is in take charge mode... not a bad political move if they can work out a bipartisan agreement that keeps the political bs out..
Debates can wait.. the country ... the people those 3 senators represent.. need to be there... they have an obligation to their constituents to represent them at the table..that is the whole point of electing them .. to sit at the table for you....
Letterman was po'd McCain dissed him... nothing more .. nothing less...
this argument is the lamest one on this bbs
Once again this isn't about McCain being in Washinton.. it's about Palin not being able to stand up and take his place at a time of need acting as the number 2 and a leader.
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Do McCain, Biden, or Obama sit on any of the relevant committees or subcommittees at this point? I ask that sincerely, because if they do not, they really have no official input into the process at this point in time as Senators. If they do, then they should probably seek to provide that input now, when it counts. If not, I can't imagine what they could do to help right now, and their presence could possibly hurt and polarize the process either way.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Don't know.
Still these are the guys that want the Oval office, that are the titular head of their parties as we go forward to the election and the guys that will have to work with those committees.
One would think they could meet with the people in their party who ARE on the committees and discuss a plan to resolve the issue.
They are at the head of their party, they are all Senators that will vote on the bill; why would the committees not value their input?
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It's very simple. Whatever amazing plan either senator has is probably well-known to leading members on those committees. Obama can talk to all the former SEC chairmen and treasury secretaries he wants to formulate his plan, but in all likelihood members of Congress have already done this.
You don't need to be in Washington to offer input or discuss a plan to resolve the issue unless they are serving in their official capacity as senators. Their presence there will likely polarize parties. I mean, think about it... if Obama suggests something brilliant but controversial, will Republican lawmakers be more or less inclined to support it? How about if McCain offers the same? Will Democrats be more or less inclined to support it?
We can make calls for bipartisanship all we want, but at the end of the day, this is a presidential election season. Everything is political, and I hope that truly worthy ideas aren't lost in the mix because of it.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Do McCain, Biden, or Obama sit on any of the relevant committees or subcommittees at this point? I ask that sincerely, because if they do not, they really have no official input into the process at this point in time as Senators. If they do, then they should probably seek to provide that input now, when it counts. If not, I can't imagine what they could do to help right now, and their presence could possibly hurt and polarize the process either way.
-- Todd/Leviathn
good point -- i seriously don't know - but i do believe their input to the sitting members of the committees is influential, and that there will be no senator or Congressman agreeing to anything if both of them don't at least say they support it... they worry about finger pointing later.. not what the actual outcome is...it is politics
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Once again you state. "Had to shut down the campaign". As if it is fact as opposed to choosing to suspend his campaign for a short while. Obama was invited to do the same and he refused. So McCain sticks to his guns. To me it speaks of his character to possibly let Obama gain some headway while McCain deals with the job he has right now.
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Now McCain camp is trying to postpone the VP debates as well.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/25/mccain-camp-to-propose-postponing-vp-debate-2/
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Now McCain camp is trying to postpone the VP debates as well.
Nov. 5 or later would be good.
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Someone actually listens to a comedian's opinion on politics?
OMG, LOL! :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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Someone actually listens to a comedian's opinion on politics?
OMG, LOL! :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
It's common in here Rip, have you not seen all the quotes of Rush and O'Reilly? :lol
shamus
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It's common in here Rip, have you not seen all the quotes of Rush and O'Reilly? :lol
shamus
I agree with you on that one! :aok Rush and O'Reilly were never penciled in as comedians, but they certainly are!
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Someone actually listens to a comedian's opinion on politics?
OMG, LOL! :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
Some one actully listens to Hollywoods opinion of politics??? :rofl
Oh crap the liberals do...sorry
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Not sure if anyone mentioned this already, but Dave made a good point, why not make the Friday debate about the economy and what each plans to do about it.
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Some one actully listens to Hollywoods opinion of politics??? :rofl
Oh crap the liberals do...sorry
http://www.france24.com/en/20080905-jon-voight-john-mccain-midnight-cowboy-republican-convention
http://www.newsday.com/entertainment/news/celebrity/la-et-cause4-2008sep04,0,5807624.story
Don't worry it is a common problem in America... right wingers are only human too
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Isn't Biden a sitting US Senator as well? He better have have his butt parked in his seat doing his job right along side McCain and Obama. This is important stuff going on (700 BILLION worth of taxpayers money looking to be handed out) and they OWE it to the people that put them there to do their damn jobs, Presidential Campaign be damned.
Nothing stops the Democratic process. Nothing.
When the Iran Hostage mess was going on, a sitting U.S. president did not stop the debates from happening. When the U.S.S. Cole lay with her side gashed, thos debates still went on. But, I guess money is more important to you guys than those lives.... so lets just suspend the campaigns now.
You're idiots if you think the debate should be cancelled. It is a tenant of democracy.
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nah, I was talking about why McCain would "shut down" his campaign, it doesn't seem he would have to. Just wondering what the angle is?
Also, when one suspends his campaign...
He doesn't put out talking points the day of it, telling his people how to spin it.
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Nothing stops the Democratic process. Nothing.
When the Iran Hostage mess was going on, a sitting U.S. president did not stop the debates from happening. When the U.S.S. Cole lay with her side gashed, thos debates still went on. But, I guess money is more important to you guys than those lives.... so lets just suspend the campaigns now.
You're idiots if you think the debate should be cancelled. It is a tenant of democracy.
ding ding and we have a winner.
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ding ding and we have a winner.
Again another Liberal point of view...here we are in the probably the biggest financal crisis
that could ruin this country and the libs think we should have a debate... stupidity at it finest.
Do you liberals understand that we as a country could go under at any time?? do you
understand what in the he@@ is at stake here??...geez you guys are f en dumb arses.
I got an Idea, lets have all the goverment take a week off and have a dancing with the goverment contest!!
Instead of figuring out a way to save the country lets Dance!!!!
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The deal is done...
http://money.cnn.com/2008/09/25/news/economy/deal_reached/index.htm?postversion=2008092513
Does this mean McCain still won't debate on Friday or what will his excuse be next?
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Again another Liberal point of view...here we are in the probably the biggest financal crisis
that could ruin this country and the libs think we should have a debate... stupidity at it finest.
Do you liberals understand that we as a country could go under at any time?? do you
understand what in the he@@ is at stake here??...geez you guys are f en dumb arses.
I got an Idea, lets have all the goverment take a week off and have a dancing with the goverment contest!!
Instead of figuring out a way to save the country lets Dance!!!!
So just exactly what do you think McCain being in the Senate right now is gonna do to save us?
He hasn't been there in quite some time, so I'm sure the Senators that have been there this whole time are much more qualified to handle this.
Wouldn't having a debate between the 2 men who are about to take control of this country and have the chance to make a difference in the economy be alot better, so the American people get the opportunity to see just where these 2 stand, and just what they plan to do about it?
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The deal is done...
http://money.cnn.com/2008/09/25/news/economy/deal_reached/index.htm?postversion=2008092513
Does this mean McCain still won't debate on Friday or what will his excuse be next?
Of course not, this way McCain can cancel the VP debate.
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I don't know why you guys are so down on McCain. He's a democrats in republican clothing. You can't really lose either way this election!
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Sure lets talk about it between canidates and while thats happening the country goes broke.
There is plenty of time for debates. just another subject for the libs to make a big
deal about. I really don't think Mcain is afraid to debate...I think he will blow
Obama out of the water. Its a fact and you will see. Kinda like Bush did to Kerry
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Sure lets talk about it between canidates and while thats happening the country goes broke.
There is plenty of time for debates. just another subject for the libs to make a big
deal about. I really don't think Mcain is afraid to debate...I think he will blow
Obama out of the water. Its a fact and you will see. Kinda like Bush did to Kerry
Debate, Debate, Debate.....or cower! :aok
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Sure lets talk about it between canidates and while thats happening the country goes broke.
There is plenty of time for debates. just another subject for the libs to make a big
deal about. I really don't think Mcain is afraid to debate...I think he will blow
Obama out of the water. Its a fact and you will see. Kinda like Bush did to Kerry
Still, what is McCain gonna do in the Senate that the Senators that have been there this whole time can't? I mean are we gonna look back and say "Thank god McCain went back to the Senate and saved the economy"? It's an obvious political ploy to get votes.
Wouldn't hearing what plans he has to actually fix this when he becomes president in a few months do more.
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I don't know why you guys are so down on McCain. He's a democrats in republican clothing. You can't really lose either way this election!
Actually, I liked McCain a year or two ago. At the start of the campaigns he was the only Republican out of the group that I wasn't scared of for this country. The problem is since he's been on the campaign trail, he has turned into a say anything to get elected politician and has shown a rash of bad choices.
Up until he picked Palin to be VP, I still wasn't totally against him, but of course I'd rather have a Democrat win. McCain was my best of the worst pick in a sense, however now after seeing more of McCain's past and the poor choices he's made, I just see him as another Bush. Hell a year ago I might have thought of voting for McCain, but no way in hell would I vote for the McCain of today.
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One other thing, if McCain truly thinks he can fix the economy, and Obama can't, wouldn't making sure you become president so you can put your plan into action be a little bit more important then sitting in the Senate while the Senators who have been there and know exactly whats happening & going on do what they can?
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Actually, I liked McCain a year or two ago. At the start of the campaigns he was the only Republican out of the group that I wasn't scared of for this country. The problem is since he's been on the campaign trail, he has turned into a say anything to get elected politician and has shown a rash of bad choices.
Up until he picked Palin to be VP, I still wasn't totally against him, but of course I'd rather have a Democrat win. McCain was my best of the worst pick in a sense, however now after seeing more of McCain's past and the poor choices he's made, I just see him as another Bush. Hell a year ago I might have thought of voting for McCain, but no way in hell would I vote for the McCain of today.
You sound like a party-line voter, rather than voting the issues...
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You sound like a party-line voter, rather than voting the issues...
I vote on the issues that are important to me just like anyone else. Keeping the Religious Right out of the top office happens to be one of those issues that is high on my list. Palin wants to mix her Religious views with political power and I'm very against that.
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I vote on the issues that are important to me just like anyone else. Keeping the Religious Right out of the top office happens to be one of those issues that is high on my list. Palin wants to mix their Religious views with political power and I'm very against that.
But Obama attends Church! A nutter church at that! I've not seen McCain's church in the headlines!
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I don't know.. so far in the only thing that resembled a debate between Mccain and osamabinbiden.. the messiah got slaughtered by everyones assessment of the debate... "it is above my pay grade" is not a good answer for the commander in chief of the United states.
Besides.. do any of you (not the knee pad metrosexual group) really want to hear the messiah go "and... uh uh and uh... reasonable.. uh and uh and uh... " for half a debate?
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But Obama attends Church! A nutter church at that! I've not seen McCain's church in the headlines!
I could care less if Obama was Muslim or if Palin was a snake charmer. The difference is Obama isn't trying to push his religious views in my face and dictate what schools can teach based on personal religious beliefs. What church they go to or what they belief in, behind the closed doors of their homes is their business not mine. However if they try to push that religious agenda on me it becomes my problem.
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I could care less if Obama was Muslim or if Palin was a snake charmer. The difference is Obama isn't trying to push his religious views in my face and dictate what schools can teach based on personal religious beliefs. What church they go to or what they belief in the closed doors of their homes is their business not mine. However if they try to push that religious agenda on me it becomes my problem.
Neither is McCain! You're carrying a torch on a non-issue (this election) :rolleyes:
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Isn't Biden a sitting US Senator as well? He better have have his butt parked in his seat doing his job right along side McCain and Obama. This is important stuff going on (700 BILLION worth of taxpayers money looking to be handed out) and they OWE it to the people that put them there to do their damn jobs, Presidential Campaign be damned.
Lol, you have a lot to learn about how politics works.
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Lol, you have a lot to learn about how politics works.
With all due respect (and I mean that sincerely as we all have our opinions on politics), I've seen Hornets post over the years, he knows fully well how politics work. And judging by your posts, he knows alot more than you. (and a disclaimer: I am not friends with hornet, nor do I associate with him online, offline or in the AH game)
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"it is above my pay grade" is not a good answer for the commander in chief of the United states.
lazs
The president, should in no way have any say in teh abortion issue, it is between a woman, her doctor, and her god, not the government or its leaders.
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Neither is McCain! You're carrying a torch on a non-issue (this election) :rolleyes:
Exactly and that's why McCain was my best of the worst picks. I don't even have a clue as to what his religious beliefs other than I assume he's a christian. Just like the Clinton's, I knew they went to church but I couldn't even tell you what type of church they went to. The only reason I even knew what type of church Obama went to is because you guys made such a big deal about it here.
Palin on the other hand practically every time I've seen her on TV she's talking about religion. That was enough to spark my interest as a warning so the first day so I did my own research and found out she has a heavy religious agenda. That does not sit well with me because I firmly believe in separation of church and state.
Why is it so many of you O'clubbers that always worry about the 2nd amendment are so easy to give away the 1st amendment?
Besides all that I simply can not trust McCain anymore, he has flip flopped on so many issues that you have no clue what he really stands for. Sure I'd love to get rid of lobbyist from Washington, but how can you trust John McCain will do it, when the people running his campaign are big business lobbyist? McCain now claims he wants more regulation yet his voting record shows he's always voted against it.
In short McCain don't walk the walk he talks and there is no reason at all to trust what he says at this point.
Then we have the national debit.. I'm sorry but history shows, that those so called spend crazy Democrats have always reduced the National Debit. meanwhile most of the Republicans have increased it. The only two Republicans to reduce the National debit since WW2 has been Nixon and Eisenhower.
So honestly I'm not sure what issues you think I'm not voting on, but the Republican fail on all the one's I'm worried about.
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Exactly and that's why McCain was my best of the worst picks. I don't even have a clue as to what his religious beliefs other than I assume he's a christian. Just like the Clinton's, I knew they went to church but I couldn't even tell you what type of church they went to. The only reason I even knew what type of church Obama went to is because you guys made such a big deal about it here.
Palin on the other hand practically every time I've seen her on TV she's talking about religion. That was enough to spark my interest as a warning so the first day so I did my own research and found out she has a heavy religious agenda. That does not sit well with me because I firmly believe in separation of church and state.
Why is it so many of you O'clubbers that always worry about the 2nd amendment are so easy to give away the 1st amendment?
Besides all that I simply can not trust McCain anymore, he has flip flopped on so many issues that you have no clue what he really stands for. Sure I'd love to get rid of lobbyist from Washington, but how can you trust John McCain will do it, when the people running his campaign are big business lobbyist? McCain now claims he wants more regulation yet his voting record shows he's always voted against it.
In short McCain don't walk the walk he talks and there is no reason at all to trust what he says at this point.
Then we have the national debit.. I'm sorry but history shows, that those so called spend crazy Democrats have always reduced the National Debit. meanwhile most of the Republicans have increased it. The only two Republicans to reduce the National debit since WW2 has been Nixon and Eisenhower.
So honestly I'm not sure what issues you think I'm not voting on, but the Republican fail on all the one's I'm worried about.
I agree that there is no difference in the parties today regarding spending. That's one of my beefs with the Republican party right now, as I consider myself closer to a conservative (agnostic conservative at that) in regards to the issues that I favor, than a republican.
I personally think people that use religion as an excuse not to vote a party use it as an excuse to vote a party line, just like you're doing.
I am not religious,nor do I like the religious right, but there are more important issues at stake than religion.
I am pro-abortion too, as long as its within the first 3 months of pregnancy. Anything after that, I consider it murder of a child.
There are many times I've voted for democrats at the state level, simply because they stood firmer on issues I agreed with.
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You think Joe Biden is not going to be out campaigning while Obama is in Washington.. Hell no he's going to be out there playing the role of number two and doing what needs to be done.
Actually, I think Biden will probably be in Washington too. He does have a day job you know.
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I agree that there is no difference in the parties today regarding spending. That's one of my beefs with the Republican party right now, as I consider myself closer to a conservative (agnostic conservative at that) in regards to the issues that I favor, than a republican.
I personally think people that use religion as an excuse not to vote a party use it as an excuse to vote a party line, just like you're doing.
I am not religious,nor do I like the religious right, but there are more important issues at stake than religion.
I am pro-abortion too, as long as its within the first 3 months of pregnancy. Anything after that, I consider it murder of a child.
There are many times I've voted for democrats at the state level, simply because they stood firmer on issues I agreed with.
Well see If the Republican would ditch the Religious Conservative stuff and go back to being actual govt based conservatives then I'd likely vote Republican. However the way I see it, is both parties are going to spend a lot of money and waste tax dollars. So I have a choice of Republicans who give all the tax money to big business or Democrats that tend to give more of the tax money for social programs. Well sorry I'll pick the average person over big biz corporate executives any day.
Then you have the rights issues.. Republicans tend to try and tell me what I can't do in my own home. I mean hell under Bush's pick for Attorney General Alberto Gonads, his top priority for the FBI was going to be obscenity prosecutions in the porn industry. I mean hello, I'm sorry but hello 9/11 anyone? Should their top priority be going after actual criminals not be the thought police? Luckily he was thrown out before he could do too much damage.
Democrats tend to go after guns, but honestly other than the Brady act what have they actually done on the national level? Meanwhile we have Bush who was doing all these illegal wiretaps and having the FBI spy on American citizens. We lost habeas corpus and now the US govt can get data on any citizen from commercial data mining companies with out a warrant. While you guys complain about the 2nd amendment this current Admin has been busy stripping away all your other rights.
Concidering McCain has sided with Bush over 90% of the time I'd say that's a bad sign..
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palin should debate obama , without teleprompters, she would walk all over him. :lol
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LOL
"...and now he's on Rachel Ray's show making veal pecata."
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Everyone here knows I cannot stand McPain, Osamabama or binBiden... In THIS particular case, the three Senators need to be doing the job they are elected to on an issue so important and so expensive. For 3 US Senators to miss a crucial senate debate and vote would be a dereliction of duty at the LEAST. Televise Presidential debates can be stuck on the back burner for a couple of weeks, a show is no big deal, a decision on how to spend ONE TRILLION DOLLARS $1,000,000,000,000.00 - IS a huge deal.
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Everyone here knows I cannot stand McPain, Osamabama or binBiden... In THIS particular case, the three Senators need to be doing the job they are elected to on an issue so important and so expensive. For 3 US Senators to miss a crucial senate debate and vote would be a dereliction of duty at the LEAST. Televise Presidential debates can be stuck on the back burner for a couple of weeks, a show is no big deal, a decision on how to spend ONE TRILLION DOLLARS $1,000,000,000,000.00 - IS a huge deal.
What do you think there gonna do? Don't you think that since they haven't been in the Senate for quite some time that they might be a little out of the loop at this point, and that the Senators that have been there would have a much better understanding of the situation, and be more equipped to deal with the bail out?
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Everyone here knows I cannot stand McPain, Osamabama or binBiden... In THIS particular case, the three Senators need to be doing the job they are elected to on an issue so important and so expensive. For 3 US Senators to miss a crucial senate debate and vote would be a dereliction of duty at the LEAST. Televise Presidential debates can be stuck on the back burner for a couple of weeks, a show is no big deal, a decision on how to spend ONE TRILLION DOLLARS $1,000,000,000,000.00 - IS a huge deal.
We don't have a couple of weeks to burn with the debates. The election is Nov 5th they have 4 debates to do in that time frame. Today is the 24th of September the election is on Nov 5th which is a Wednesday and that is exactly 5 weeks from yesterday.
My guess is McCain is trying to push the VP debate out of the works then play the we can't meet the schedule routine so she doesn't have to debate. He doesn't want to put her on the stage with Biden. However, now that the deal has been sealed there is no legit excuse for McCain to miss the Friday debate. If he does then he is simply dodging it trying to push away the VP debate.
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We don't have a couple of weeks to burn with the debates. The election is Nov 5th they have 4 debates to do in that time frame. Today is the 24th of September the election is on Nov 5th which is a Wednesday and that is exactly 5 weeks from yesterday.
We're voting on a Wednesday? What happened to the first Tuesday after the first Monday?
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Crockett you and all your friends are still voting on the 5th. Have fun :aok ;)
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We're voting on a Wednesday? What happened to the first Tuesday after the first Monday?
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Crockett you and all your friends are still voting on the 5th. Have fun :aok ;)
Yea your right Nov 5th is the day the winner is officially announced. I always thinking of it as Nov 5th because of that Ron Paul add campain.
ok so we have exactlly 5 weeks from Tuesday.. :huh
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No, they were elected to do a job, serve as part of our legislature. The business of campaigning can be carried out by proxy. Debates can be rescheduled. 5 weeks, 5 days is plenty of time for 4 dog and pony shows. I say do what you have ALREADY been elected to do and go on record officially and be prepared to defend your vote to the American people. We are being saddled for the bill for this, we deserve full representation. I think they should do the job they are being paid to do right now.
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No, they were elected to do a job, serve as part of our legislature. The business of campaigning can be carried out by proxy. Debates can be rescheduled. 5 weeks, 5 days is plenty of time for 4 dog and pony shows. I say do what you have ALREADY been elected to do and go on record officially and be prepared to defend your vote to the American people. We are being saddled for the bill for this, we deserve full representation. I think they should do the job they are being paid to do right now.
The bill has been agreed to already and gets signed tomorrow.. McCain has no excuse or grounds to dodge the debate now, the job is done..
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No, they were elected to do a job, serve as part of our legislature. The business of campaigning can be carried out by proxy. Debates can be rescheduled. 5 weeks, 5 days is plenty of time for 4 dog and pony shows. I say do what you have ALREADY been elected to do and go on record officially and be prepared to defend your vote to the American people. We are being saddled for the bill for this, we deserve full representation. I think they should do the job they are being paid to do right now.
This bill doesn't sound like something that a Senator can just show up and be fully informed and ready to go in a day or two, I'd much rather let the Senators who have been there dealing with this issue handle it.
Right now this guys job is to get ready to be president if thats what he wants, he signed up for this commitment.
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Man Dems are foaming at the lips over a female getting on the ticket that isnt Hilldawg.This is a royal riot :rofl :rofl
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The bill has been agreed to already and gets signed tomorrow.. McCain has no excuse or grounds to dodge the debate now, the job is done..
Id check again.
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Id check again.
Well it was agreed to, then the Republicans backed out. Your own guys don't even support the President and his must have bill.
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Well it was agreed to, then the Republicans backed out. Your own guys don't even support the President and his must have bill.
I dont have any guys. Maybe they didn't support it cause it suked...had to many provisions they didnt like...maybe it was just f'ed up....NOOO..couldn't be that. Must have been a wingnut rightwing stunt.
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Dems love to give away money..Rep have to think it over.
See who is smarter?? It was your Democratic president that started this whole mess...you know
pressure banks to give loans to people that could'nt afford them...That was slick willy.
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My senator doesn't support the bill or any bailout... as far as I am concerned this is not a done deal.
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Dems love to give away money..Rep have to think it over.
See who is smarter?? It was your Democratic president that started this whole mess...you know
pressure banks to give loans to people that could'nt afford them...That was slick willy.
Give the man a cigar!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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We don't have a couple of weeks to burn with the debates. The election is Nov 5th they have 4 debates to do in that time frame. Today is the 24th of September the election is on Nov 5th which is a Wednesday and that is exactly 5 weeks from yesterday.
My guess is McCain is trying to push the VP debate out of the works then play the we can't meet the schedule routine so she doesn't have to debate. He doesn't want to put her on the stage with Biden. However, now that the deal has been sealed there is no legit excuse for McCain to miss the Friday debate. If he does then he is simply dodging it trying to push away the VP debate.
LOL.. public education. :huh
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LOL.. public education. :huh
Crockett it's always on Tuesday.
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Yup the bill hasnt been passed.Ahh that good coverage from CNN is wrong yet again.Go figure. Come one come all get your facts from CNN and Letterman :rofl
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Actually he had a lot of good things to say about McCain however it seems he understands you can still like someone and also speak your opinion about them. I get the impression Letterman really likes McCain or at least the "old McCain" but he thinks Palin was a horrible pick and isn't scared to say it.
As a side note this is a interview that was posted on youtube yesterday with Palin.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vbg6hF0nShQ
Just watch this interview and she just doesn't have a clue. If she gets hit with a question she doesn't have a scripted response for, she just doesn't have a clue as to what to say. It's no wonder McCain couldn't trust her to run the campaign for a few days. She just bables, if she doesn't have a scripted answer.
Dunno. but I saw an interview last night with the Ex CEO of Shell Oil (I think it was)
The subject of Palin came up and the interviewer asked him
"You had a couple of run ins with Palin didnt you?"
He responded
"Oh yea, She's the real deal. dont underestimate her.
She let us know in no uncertain terms exactly who was running Alaska. And it wasnt the Oil companies."
He added that while they were able to work with her. It was clear that the government was going ot tell the oil companies how it was going to be done, Not the other way around.
Now she may not have "faced down" the leadership of a forgien government.
But Big Oil is damn near just as good if not damn near the same thing.
In my not so humble opinion.
I like Palin.
I like her a hell of alot more then I like McCain
I wish the ticket were the other way around.
I havent looked at that video yet but I do know that if you follow someone around with a camera long enough. You sure to get some real gaffs
It is my understanding that there are a bunch of YouTube videos out of Bidin has been making quite the fool of himself lately too.
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Dems love to give away money..Rep have to think it over.
See who is smarter?? It was your Democratic president that started this whole mess...you know
pressure banks to give loans to people that could'nt afford them...That was slick willy.
And a Republican controlled congress that also approved it.
They ALL share blame
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Man Dems are foaming at the lips over a female getting on the ticket that isnt Hilldawg.This is a royal riot :rofl :rofl
I've been hearing rumors that Hillary may yet end up on the ticket.
That may end up being our October surprise
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Here we are with a gen-u-ine national situation on stage front and center.
One would think our two Senators-who-would-be-President would jump at this opportunity to demonstrate how ready they are to Lead On Day One.
If neither one of these guys has enough character and leadership skills to step forward and lead the nation on this, neither one of them should be President.
Because of the election and news coverage THEY have the bully pulpit just as much as Bush does. Here's their opportunity to step up to the microphone and tell the nation how this should be handled and do it in such a way that the Congressional telephone system is swamped by constituents supporting the plan.
THAT'S leadership. You mean to tell me neither one of them can provide even an attempt at it? One of these two guys is about to become President of the United States; they are not just everyday Senators waiting for a committee report. They're supposed to LEAD Congress, not follow it. They can't put forward a plan that protects the taxpayer and then rally the public behind it? Then they shouldn't be running for Prez.
McCain has at least moved in that direction but he's got a LOOOOOONG way to go IMO:
John McCain called for a path for taxpayers to recover the money in the $700 billion federal bailout plan, one of five changes the Arizona senator intends to fight for in Washington today.
The Republican presidential candidate, speaking at the Clinton Global Initiative meeting in New York, assured voters that the money put into the fund would be returned. “When we’re talking about $700 billion taxpayers’ dollars, that money cannot simply go into a black hole of bad debt with no means of recovering any of the funds,” he said. <DUH!!>
McCain suspended his campaign Wednesday afternoon to return to Washington to address the financial crisis. Some Republicans in Congress had called on the senator to take action, hoping his support would prompt other Republicans to do the same.
Before heading to Washington, McCain made clear the changes he is seeking. In addition to a path for returning the funds, he repeated his calls for greater accountability and transparency in the legislation. He added to that a ban on any potential earmarks intended to benefit “favored companies.” <All reasonable, logical requirements.>
“Frankly, members of Congress who would attempt such a thing are scarcely better than the most reckless operators on Wall Street,” McCain said.
Lastly, the Arizona senator called for assurances that Wall Street executives involved in the problems would not benefit from them. To prove his point, he invoked his least favorite pet project—the so-called Bridge to Nowhere in Alaska. “I would rather build a bridge to nowhere–and put it square in the middle of Sedona, Ariz.–than take money from teachers and farmers and small-business owners to line the pockets of the Wall Street crowd that got us here in the first place,” he said to applause.
McCain acknowledged the challenge of acting “both quickly and wisely” and again said the response should be like that of Sept. 11. He also made clear his determination to find a solution before the markets open Monday morning.
At least it's a start. Beats hell out of the give-a-way to Wall Street the weasels are trying to ram through before the taxpayers wake up.
Obamessiah is acting like he'll vote "present" on this one. He must be waiting for his puppetmasters to fire up his teleprompter. Ummm... ahhhhh..... ehhhhh... ummmmmm...."above my pay grade".
He's giving McC an opening to reverse his polling trend.
They both talk about who is ready to lead... well, here's a little national problem that they can dive into and strut their stuff. Let's see it, boys.
Lights! Camera! ACTION!
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I am ready to run a poll about a certain outdoorsman being a tool.
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This Sums it up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnsNOEgp-_o (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnsNOEgp-_o)
Hasn't even read the 3 Paulson pages.... yet "suspends" his presidential campaign. Any toolbox that doesn't see he's damaged goods needs their head examined for sin waves.
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What the good guys (opponents of the bailout) are saying:
"I must tell you, there are those in the public debate who have said that we must act now. The last time I heard that, I was on a used-car lot," said Rep. Mike Pence, R-Indiana. "The truth is, every time somebody tells you that you've got to do the deal right now, it usually means they're going to get the better part of the deal."
"They are saying this is failure of the free markets of capitalism when, in fact, this is a failure because government injected itself into the free market, created this easy credit, these guaranteed loans, and these loans are what have turned into the bad paper that are bringing all these financial institutions down," said Sen. Jim DeMint, R-South Carolina.
"Most Americans are paying their bills on time and investing responsibly and should not be forced to pay for the reckless actions of some on Wall Street, especially when no one can guarantee this will solve our current problems," DeMint said. "This plan will not only cause our nation to fall off the debt cliff, it could send the value of the dollar into a free-fall as investors around the world question our ability to repay our debts."
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Heres another fun little group Obama was involved in.Apparently he did a lot of lawyering for them.The more that I hear on this guy the more I wonder whats next.Any garden hose that doesn't see he's damaged goods needs their head examined for sine waves.
http://townhall.com/columnists/MichelleMalkin/2008/06/25/the_acorn_obama_knows
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"I must tell you, there are those in the public debate who have said that we must act now. The last time I heard that, I was on a used-car lot," said Rep. Mike Pence, R-Indiana. "The truth is, every time somebody tells you that you've got to do the deal right now, it usually means they're going to get the better part of the deal."
There's a no shirtter!
This baby was only driven to church on Sunday by a 85 year old grandmother that never exceeded 25 mph!
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Bill Clinton is now showing support for McCain letting the campaign wait and doing what he should be doing.This is getting better all the time. :aok
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Dunno. but I saw an interview last night with the Ex CEO of Shell Oil (I think it was)
The subject of Palin came up and the interviewer asked him
"You had a couple of run ins with Palin didnt you?"
He responded
"Oh yea, She's the real deal. dont underestimate her.
She let us know in no uncertain terms exactly who was running Alaska. And it wasnt the Oil companies."
He added that while they were able to work with her. It was clear that the government was going ot tell the oil companies how it was going to be done, Not the other way around.
Now she may not have "faced down" the leadership of a forgien government.
But Big Oil is damn near just as good if not damn near the same thing.
In my not so humble opinion.
I like Palin.
I like her a hell of alot more then I like McCain
I wish the ticket were the other way around.
I havent looked at that video yet but I do know that if you follow someone around with a camera long enough. You sure to get some real gaffs
It is my understanding that there are a bunch of YouTube videos out of Bidin has been making quite the fool of himself lately too.
They didn't need to follower her around, she just doesn't have a clue. look at that interview she really didn't have a real answer for any of the questions. The only answers she gave was scripted or she tried to dodge the question. So what happens when she's dealing with foreign leaders and she fumbles like that? They will eat her alive.
Besides that, the whole lobbyist stuff is BS with her. She isn't any different than anyone else, she didn't go on some crusade to do away with lobbyist like she claims. Look up her actual track record, she was after govt earmarks and hiring lobbyist just like anyone else has been. Hell McCain even bashed her on it, because she was asking for so much money in federal earmarks. She didn't tone it down until it became a political football with the bridge to nowhere once that hit the public eyes.
Then you have to look at the money McCain has taken from the oil lobby's. He's no straight talker as he claims. Hell just the other day it was released that one of his top campaign guys was pulling in $45k a month from Freddie and Fannie even after they were in trouble. Most of McCain's top campaign staff is lobbyist, so sorry but nothing is going to change under McCain.
I'm not saying Obama is any better, but he's not directly taking money from lobbyists. However he's still getting the money. The simple truth is all of these politicians take money from lobbyists and none of them will ever stop no matter what they claim. IMO it should be considered a bribe because that's what it is and it should be illegal. However the govt would likely shut down because every politician would be in jail.
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I've been hearing rumors that Hillary may yet end up on the ticket.
That may end up being our October surprise
There are the same rumors that McCain will dump Palin.. it's all BS.. we have less than 5 weeks till the election. What you see now is what you get.
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Yo DO realise that Obama was 3rd in line for money from Fanny and Freddie right?Behind only Dodd and Kerry.
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Bill Clinton is now showing support for McCain letting the campaign wait and doing what he should be doing.This is getting better all the time. :aok
He didn't say he supports him, you missed his entire point if that's what you think.
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There's a no shirtter!
This baby was only driven to church on Sunday by a 85 year old grandmother that never exceeded 25 mph!
No kidding Toad!
Actually the last time the good Representative from Indiana heard that it was about WMD's and such....
Fool me once with the iminent danger line, shame on you....fool me twice, shame on me...
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Ya know String, I KNEW someone would bring that up. I didn't figure it to be you though.
OK, refresh my memory.... how long was the IAEA investigating Iraq on the WMD issue with no resolution before action was finally taken?
I think they did discuss the "imminent danger" in the UN, in the Congress and in the media for a tad more than a week or two, didn't they? I admit I'm getting old and getting forgetful but it seems they did talk about it just a tiny bit more than this rush to bailout.
I could be wrong..........
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Hehe...you shouldn't be surprised it was me by my posts in the squad forum.
Toad...the M.O. is the same and you KNOW it.
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The fact McCain had to cancel his campaign rather than let her run it, just raises more questions about her.
That right there is your biggest fallacy in this whole thread. You are assuming that McCain had to cancel his campaign rather than let Palin run it, and didn't simply choose to do so for reasons he has yet to make public. Personally, instead of jumping to conclusions and saying this is just another reason to dislike Palin, I think I'll wait to see how it all pans out.
Btw, he didn't cancel his Presidential campaign, he merely suspended it until this financial crisis is resolved. Canceling it says he is done, suspending it means it is just on hold and I think we both know which one it is.
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Nothing stops the Democratic process. Nothing.
When the Iran Hostage mess was going on, a sitting U.S. president did not stop the debates from happening. When the U.S.S. Cole lay with her side gashed, thos debates still went on. But, I guess money is more important to you guys than those lives.... so lets just suspend the campaigns now.
You're idiots if you think the debate should be cancelled. It is a tenant of democracy.
This financial crisis is far bigger than anything you have mentioned. To my knowledge, no one is talking about canceling the debates, merely postponing them.
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Sure, it's the old used car salesman pitch.
But the idea that they went to war in two weeks is BS. The old "Axis of Evil" speech was Jan/02. Evil Boosh went to the UN Sep/02 asking for action against Iraq. Then they did the inspections dance right up until the invasion, all the while chewing over what to do in the UN, the Congress and the media. Congress authorized the invasion in Oct 02 (I think) and we invaded Mar/03.
You're looking at over a year of "act right now" wrt to Iraq.
Right now the hype is we have to act before next Monday, 9/29 or the wheels come off the world economy and we are cast into the pit of everlasting hellfire.
This bailout frenzy really started with Fannie and Freddie on Sep 7th. Paulson didn't even propose a bailout plan until the 20th.
I think it's probably safe to take just a wee bit more time and discuss a few more options. Like maybe some stuff that benefits Joe Average Taxpayer and Joan Average Homeowner more than it benefits Ritchie Rich. There's more than one way to restore liquidity to the markets.
There have been several links to such plans on this BBS.
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The deal is done...
http://money.cnn.com/2008/09/25/news/economy/deal_reached/index.htm?postversion=2008092513
Does this mean McCain still won't debate on Friday or what will his excuse be next?
The deal is hardly done. This link was 17 minutes old when I found it.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080926/ap_on_bi_ge/financial_meltdown
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Bill Clinton is now showing support for McCain letting the campaign wait and doing what he should be doing.This is getting better all the time. :aok
:lol
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moray.. you should have done a little research as usual...
Mccain basically said that this was a mess and needed the people hired to clean it up to be on the job..
Osamabinbiden said it was no big deal.. could be multitasked and.. in any case.. it would all be settled waaaay before the debates.
It wasn't just reading three pages and voting yes or no (or "present in your boys case) it is turning out to be more than a 24 hour deal.. the senators who are paid to be senators need to do their job.
When someone multi tasks.. that does not mean ignore the big things so that you can work on what is important to you.
It does not mean "what is important for me is important for the country" It means "country first" and doing your job.
It seems that osamabinbiden is saying "the end justifies the means" He feels that Anything that gets him elected is really worth screwing over anything including the entire economy of the country.. for an hour long scripted debate when.. they have been talking at us for 3 damn years already.
What the hell kind of priorities and leadership is that?
lazs
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That right there is your biggest fallacy in this whole thread. You are assuming that McCain had to cancel his campaign rather than let Palin run it, and didn't simply choose to do so for reasons he has yet to make public. Personally, instead of jumping to conclusions and saying this is just another reason to dislike Palin, I think I'll wait to see how it all pans out.
Btw, he didn't cancel his Presidential campaign, he merely suspended it until this financial crisis is resolved. Canceling it says he is done, suspending it means it is just on hold and I think we both know which one it is.
When you are running for public office, especially the highest office in the nation.. Nothing your campaign does is a private matter, even your health condition is a a public concern. Besides that there is no question why he suspended his campaign, it's not some unknown personal secret that he hasn't told us, he said the reason.
He suspended it to go to DC, he has openly stated this. Which means he should have been able to depend on Palin to step it up a notch rather than have to suspend his campaign.. IMO it was nothing more than a political move that equates to grasping at straws, by trying to claim he was so worried that he had to stop his own campaign for the public interest. That's the exact angle he's shooting for with this. He is playing politics with a so called national crisis.
Think about this.. The woman who will possibly be the next VP and could even be president has given 3 interviews to the press. Don't you think we the people deserve a bit more than that? After all it is us who pays their salary if they get elected, so I'd say they owe.. yes I said owe, us the debates.
There isn't anything McCain or Obama is going to do to change what happens for the better with this bill. Either way it's going to get passed or it wont, McCain isn't going to toss out fairy dust and save the day with Conservative Republicans that already don't like him, so he just needs to get his butt in gear and do what he agreed to do, for the American people and that's show up at the debate.
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The debate is on for tonight so there ya go.A debate on foreign policy where Mac will rip Osama Allah Acktard a new ass.Then you liberal weinies will be bawling about why hes not in DC working on the Economy which is way more important than his personal ambitions. :rolleyes:
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Toad,
I never said the timelines were the same...stop with that.
I stated, and you agree, the M.O. is the same and that is using iminent threat, and act quickly or the world will end rhetoric.
As for not debating tonight...
I think they should hold the debates....the debate couldn't be more timely.
I think its a BS excuse by McCain (and I was a McCain supporter back in 2000). He's had a year to take interest in leadership in this (just look for Jim Cramer's rant from August of 2007).
All both McCain and Obama are doing during this "crisis negotiation" is photo-op stuff.
Let's here NOW, from the two candidates looking to run this mess about their options. What better time than tonight during a pre-scheduled debate.
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My point is, and I assume yours is, that there is time to hash this out and make sure the taxpayer doesn't get screwed. That the taxpayer should actually get something out of this and Ritchie Rich should be happy to get out of it with his skin on.
Debates should absolutely go forward. But let's see them under pressure. Can the foreign policy topic they've been prepping for all week and hold a sit-down-at-a-table discussion on the economy and the Wall Street problem. 45 minutes of questions from the moderator, 45 minutes of questions posed by members of the audience and/or internet submittals.
Let's see 'em when they are not all shampooed, primped and pampered for the dog and pony show. Let's see them as they are going to act when stuff like this pops up on the radar screen. It's not like they haven't had time to think about the bailout and have a sense of what they would do.
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My point is, and I assume yours is, that there is time to hash this out and make sure the taxpayer doesn't get screwed. That the taxpayer should actually get something out of this and Ritchie Rich should be happy to get out of it with his skin on.
Debates should absolutely go forward. But let's see them under pressure. Can the foreign policy topic they've been prepping for all week and hold a sit-down-at-a-table discussion on the economy and the Wall Street problem. 45 minutes of questions from the moderator, 45 minutes of questions posed by members of the audience and/or internet submittals.
Let's see 'em when they are not all shampooed, primped and pampered for the dog and pony show. Let's see them as they are going to act when stuff like this pops up on the radar screen. It's not like they haven't had time to think about the bailout and have a sense of what they would do.
Im all for this idea.What better op to see what each has going on in his head than an situation still up for grabs.This wont just show the options each has but what kinds of people they have behind then helping with policy.
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Think about this.. The woman who will possibly be the next VP and could even be president has given 3 interviews to the press. Don't you think we the people deserve a bit more than that? After all it is us who pays their salary if they get elected, so I'd say they owe.. yes I said owe, us the debates.
Who cares? Seriously.....McCain statistically has something like an 85% chance to survive his 4 year term as President (assuming he wins the election). It simply isn't a big enough issue for me to worry about. Why you do is beyond me.
When you are running for public office, especially the highest office in the nation.. Nothing your campaign does is a private matter, even your health condition is a a public concern. Besides that there is no question why he suspended his campaign, it's not some unknown personal secret that he hasn't told us, he said the reason.
He suspended it to go to DC, he has openly stated this. Which means he should have been able to depend on Palin to step it up a notch rather than have to suspend his campaign.. IMO it was nothing more than a political move that equates to grasping at straws, by trying to claim he was so worried that he had to stop his own campaign for the public interest. That's the exact angle he's shooting for with this. He is playing politics with a so called national crisis.
You misunderstood what I was saying I think. I was implying that McCain may have chosen to not give us a reason for just letting Palin run the campaign while he went to Washington. Hope this clears that up.
I'm sure there is plenty that goes on behind closed doors during a campaign that is private and will remain so for a very long time.
There isn't anything McCain or Obama is going to do to change what happens for the better with this bill.
That is nothing more than an assumption on your part. Either or both of them can stand up and assume the position of a leader and lead their respective parties to a bipartisan agreement on this issue. Will either one of them do such a thing? I think McCain is headed in the right direction on that. Obama's *they will call me if they need me* position is just lame. Get in there and make things happen!
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Yes, Toad, we agree on the point. And on the premise to hold the scheduled debate and move the topic to "its the economy, stupid".
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Who cares? Seriously.....McCain statistically has something like an 85% chance to survive his 4 year term as President (assuming he wins the election). It simply isn't a big enough issue for me to worry about. Why you do is beyond me.
You misunderstood what I was saying I think. I was implying that McCain may have chosen to not give us a reason for just letting Palin run the campaign while he went to Washington. Hope this clears that up.
I'm sure there is plenty that goes on behind closed doors during a campaign that is private and will remain so for a very long time.
That is nothing more than an assumption on your part. Either or both of them can stand up and assume the position of a leader and lead their respective parties to a bipartisan agreement on this issue. Will either one of them do such a thing? I think McCain is headed in the right direction on that. Obama's *they will call me if they need me* position is just lame. Get in there and make things happen!
Given the damage Cheney was able to do as vice president, I damn sure care who the VP is.
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Who cares? Seriously.....McCain statistically has something like an 85% chance to survive his 4 year term as President (assuming he wins the election). It simply isn't a big enough issue for me to worry about. Why you do is beyond me.
That's better odds than I'd give Obama with Hillary chomping at the bit for the job.
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That's better odds than I'd give Obama with Hillary chomping at the bit for the job.
:uhoh
I'm not sure what odds I'd give Obama in that situation. I'm not sure I could even go 50/50. :uhoh
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:uhoh
I'm not sure what odds I'd give Obama in that situation. I'm not sure I could even go 50/50. :uhoh
She doesn't have to be VP to run for the job in 4 years. If Obama wins this election it will still be in her interest to see him "unavailable" for the next.
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Letterman has more class in his right pinkie than Oreily has in his whole soul. :aok
and O'Riely has more class than you , who cares. At least O'Reily hasn't made a video explaining how awesome they are at a cartoon flying game. Again..... who cares.
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Who cares? Seriously.....McCain statistically has something like an 85% chance to survive his 4 year term as President (assuming he wins the election). It simply isn't a big enough issue for me to worry about. Why you do is beyond me.
Let me throw 4 fastballs at your head with a 15% chance of striking you. Would that be a "big enough" issue to wear a helmet...or do you take the chance?
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and O'Riely has more class than you , who cares. At least O'Reily hasn't made a video explaining how awesome they are at a cartoon flying game. Again..... who cares.
You really did write those words together... "O'Reilly" and "class". This was the same guy that was surprised that the patrons of an exclusively African American restaurant were " using utensils and everything!"
Unreal, you are. Although, it is debateable if Skyrock surpasses that measurement of class (just joking!), don't make a blanket statement assigning O'Reilly any semblance of such. It is incontravertable he has anything BUT class.
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You really did write those words together... "O'Reilly" and "class". This was the same guy that was surprised that the patrons of an exclusively African American restaurant were " using utensils and everything!"
Unreal, you are. Although, it is debateable if Skyrock surpasses that measurement of class (just joking!), don't make a blanket statement assigning O'Reilly any semblance of such. It is incontravertable he has anything BUT class.
At least he is entertaining, class or no class ,skyrocks video on the other hand was funnier than letterman ever could be.
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It is this simple . Campaigning will inject partisanship into this matter . The one thing we don't need is partisanship at this point . Take pelosi's speech for example . Is anyone really simple enough to think there isn't enough blame for both parties in this fiasco ? I want the campaigning and the partisan BS to stop until this is handled . No GD earmarks, some freakin oversight , the responsible parties on Wall street held accountable . :mad:
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Let me throw 4 fastballs at your head with a 15% chance of striking you. Would that be a "big enough" issue to wear a helmet...or do you take the chance?
Isn't that Ageism? Shouldn't McCain be considered for the job regardless of his age or physical challenges?
Isn't that like a business owner saying he doesn't want to hire a woman manager because there is a good statistical chance she'll end up getting pregnant in the next 4 years and leave him in a bind?
Ladies and Gents, I present for your amusement: Liberal Hypocrisy! (psst take your bow Moron...er Moray)
:rolleyes:,
Wab
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And they pushed so hard for equal rights.Friggin tardletts are showing their colors big time now. :rofl
Thank HT he isnt in a wheelchair smokin cigars.....um....nevermind.
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Isn't that Ageism? Shouldn't McCain be considered for the job regardless of his age or physical challenges?
Isn't that like a business owner saying he doesn't want to hire a woman manager because there is a good statistical chance she'll end up getting pregnant in the next 4 years and leave him in a bind?
Ladies and Gents, I present for your amusement: Liberal Hypocrisy! (psst take your bow Moron...er Moray)
:rolleyes:,
Wab
Wab... he is being considered for the job, that's why he's on the ticket. I'm not hiring him based on his age, I don't like his views of today. In 2000, I would have voted for him. I was simply giving the other poster a subjective frame of view. If there's a 15% chance of getting hit squarely between the eyes by a fastball, you do something about it. It's the frame of reference. I suppose you don't remember Reagan in his later years in the office.... stumbling over sentences and words in the early stages of Alzheimer's. Second, a female employee that gets pregnant, is only pregnant. She's coming back. A dead somebody...is...well...not coming back. I guess you think that it's "ageism" that seniors over 65 be tested physically every year to drive, also.
Do me a favor. Look up "Liberal" in the dictionary. Let me know what it means. You know what... I'll save you the work. Instead of trouncing a position you know nothing about, obviously... figure out exactly wtf you are using as a label...maybe understand the meaning of the word. Thanks for the compliment, idiot.
lib·er·al /ˈlɪbərəl, ˈlɪbrəl/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[lib-er-uhl, lib-ruhl] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–adjective 1. favorable to progress or reform, as in political or religious affairs.
2. (often initial capital letter) noting or pertaining to a political party advocating measures of progressive political reform.
3. of, pertaining to, based on, or advocating liberalism.
4. favorable to or in accord with concepts of maximum individual freedom possible, esp. as guaranteed by law and secured by governmental protection of civil liberties.
5. favoring or permitting freedom of action, esp. with respect to matters of personal belief or expression: a liberal policy toward dissident artists and writers.
6. of or pertaining to representational forms of government rather than aristocracies and monarchies.
7. free from prejudice or bigotry; tolerant: a liberal attitude toward foreigners.
8. open-minded or tolerant, esp. free of or not bound by traditional or conventional ideas, values, etc.
9. characterized by generosity and willingness to give in large amounts: a liberal donor.
10. given freely or abundantly; generous: a liberal donation.
11. not strict or rigorous; free; not literal: a liberal interpretation of a rule.
12. of, pertaining to, or based on the liberal arts.
13. of, pertaining to, or befitting a freeman.
It would seem, as you think that the word "liberal" is a bad title to have; that you don't agree with any of the above ideas. If that is the case, in short, you are a close-minded, intolerant bigot tightwad, who believes in minimum freedoms for anyone, unless placed squarely within aristocratic ruling class. In short, another King Bush.