That looks like my bombing :bheadWhat? Leveling a forest?? :O
What? Leveling a forest?? :O
A quick vid that Waffle put together.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuCmC3gMBLc
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A quick vid that Waffle put together.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuCmC3gMBLc
I'm getting really sick of folks posting a satirical image as the entirety of their response... The past week it has gotten totally out of hand and is really annoying.
See that? Words are quite useful for expressing thoughts. Let's use them more often.
I'm getting really sick of folks posting a satirical image as the entirety of their response... The past week it has gotten totally out of hand and is really annoying.:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :lol :lol :lol :neener: :neener: :neener: :furious :furious :furious
See that? Words are quite useful for expressing thoughts. Let's use them more often.
Excellent pic skribe..
:rofl
I just realized that Pyro called the B29 a Deathstar. (AH old timers will get the joke.)
I just realized that Pyro called the B29 a Deathstar. (AH old timers will get the joke.)
:rofl
I just realized that Pyro called the B29 a Deathstar. (AH old timers will get the joke.)
I'm getting really sick of folks posting a satirical image as the entirety of their response... The past week it has gotten totally out of hand and is really annoying.
See that? Words are quite useful for expressing thoughts. Let's use them more often.
:aok
when its released, i foresee non-stop HQ/strat bombing raids for a month.
I foresee a difficult time in finding a town anywhere on the map that has it's center not flattened :joystick: :old:
At least until people burn through their bomber perks. :D Although, with some of the old guys that might take a while.
Curious to see if it results in more strat runs though. I think there's going to be a Ta-152 and P47 renaissance coming when the B29 hits.
Wiley.
Spot on :rofl
:rofl
JUGgler
At least until people burn through their bomber perks. :D Although, with some of the old guys that might take a while.But only by those wise enuff to stay away from the rear guns. :salute
Curious to see if it results in more strat runs though. I think there's going to be a Ta-152 and P47 renaissance coming when the B29 hits.
Wiley.
I'm getting really sick of folks posting a satirical image as the entirety of their response... The past week it has gotten totally out of hand and is really annoying.
See that? Words are quite useful for expressing thoughts. Let's use them more often.
Ok, Here
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Gv'ers look out!!!! Cuz my 262 is waiting for them and I will protect the sky's!!! :rock :D
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Ahhh if only we could get multiple gunners in :)
At least the B-29 won't manuever like the Zeke, unlike our old Deathstar from AW.
You are ignoring this user. Show me the post.
I think the part people are not prepared for is how tough this plane is going to be. think p47, f6f hellcat toughness and multiply that toughness by a billion and thats likely where the b29 will be.
the report from the p61 black widow emptying its full ammunition clip into an unmanned b29 to down it and still barely denting it makes me think a 109k4 will not even dent this with anything but a cockpit shot.
50 cals will likely be useless as well.
about the only thing with the firepower would be a 190a8 or ta152 and then just barely would they probably get one down out of the formation if they survived the defensive fire.
I wonder if the issues with the different trajectories of the 20mm and .50 caliber rounds that made aiming difficult in combat situations will be inherent with the tail gun? After all, that was the main reason why the 20mm cannon was removed early in the production run of the B-29 and B-29A.I don't know, if the video showing the devastating firepower coming out of the tailgun is accurate... :O See a whole lotta B29s landing 3-4 kills plus 13K damages. :salute
ack-ack
I think the part people are not prepared for is how tough this plane is going to be. think p47, f6f hellcat toughness and multiply that toughness by a billion and thats likely where the b29 will be.Great, now everyone will be complaining about how so and so HO'd their B29. :salute
the report from the p61 black widow emptying its full ammunition clip into an unmanned b29 to down it and still barely denting it makes me think a 109k4 will not even dent this with anything but a cockpit shot.
50 cals will likely be useless as well.
about the only thing with the firepower would be a 190a8 or ta152 and then just barely would they probably get one down out of the formation if they survived the defensive fire.
See a whole lotta B29s landing 3-4 kills plus 13K damages. :salute
Great, now everyone will be complaining about how so and so HO'd their B29. :salute
If we get indeed the 40x500lbs loadout, a player could - in theory- land >160,000 points of displayed damage
I think the part people are not prepared for is how tough this plane is going to be. think p47, f6f hellcat toughness and multiply that toughness by a billion and thats likely where the b29 will be.Keep in mind that was just from left wing tip to center line of the aircraft. As well as a 3 foot hole in the pilots area from a direct flack hit. Here is the story again for those who have not seen it.
the report from the p61 black widow emptying its full ammunition clip into an unmanned b29 to down it and still barely denting it makes me think a 109k4 will not even dent this with anything but a cockpit shot.
50 cals will likely be useless as well.
about the only thing with the firepower would be a 190a8 or ta152 and then just barely would they probably get one down out of the formation if they survived the defensive fire.
Just the person to ask.
How is the damge points figured? Is there an algorythm out there?
Keep in mind that was just from left wing tip to center line of the aircraft. As well as a 3 foot hole in the pilots area from a direct flack hit. Here is the story again for those who have not seen it.
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I wonder if the issues with the different trajectories of the 20mm and .50 caliber rounds that made aiming difficult in combat situations will be inherent with the tail gun? After all, that was the main reason why the 20mm cannon was removed early in the production run of the B-29 and B-29A.I thought the 20mm was removed because it suffered from jamming up too often?....
I thought the 20mm was removed because it suffered from jamming up too often?....
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I thought the 20mm was removed because it suffered from jamming up too often?....
That was my first thought, he was bombing a GV spawn!Yes you spelled it correctly . I have been to the memorial .
That reminds me of the B-52 Arclight (SP?) strikes...
Strip
Looks like the bomb bay doors open much slower than the real thing. :headscratch:Just an aesthetic worry - IIRC bomb doors are functionally open, instantly.
That's just begging for an Me410 with 103s, lots of 151s, or a BK5.
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What's the speed & climbrate of a 410 with the BK5 at 30k? :headscratch:Prolly as bad as trying to get an Il2 up there. But the lighter 103 loadouts might be agile enough.. Now I have to look it up.
Yes you spelled it correctly . I have been to the memorial .
Just an aesthetic worry - IIRC bomb doors are functionally open, instantly.This film shows the doors opening more slowly than I recalled from previous sources. There could very well be multiple modes the doors could be operated under allowing for different needs.
Prolly as bad as trying to get an Il2 up there. But the lighter 103 loadouts might be agile enough.. Now I have to look it up.
and that's without a heavy Mk 103.The overall numbers aren't flattering, but you've basically got powerloading halved (very roughly) from sea level power, and only ~10% penalty from a standard cfg (the basic 2x12.7mm + 2x20mm) to heaviest (BK5), and 5% penalty from 6x20mm or 2x103 to a BK5 loadout. So really not much difference across the board.
The DB603As make roughly half as much power at 30 kft. I'm not sure if I have info to make a powerloading comparison with other planes in AH at 30 kft. The overall numbers aren't flattering, but you've basically got powerloading halved (very roughly) from sea level power, and only ~10% penalty from a standard cfg (the basic 2x12.7mm + 2x20mm) to heaviest (BK5), and 5% penalty from 6x20mm or 2x103 to a BK5 loadout. So really not much difference across the board.
I'm thinking 410 because the expense in setting up a few passes seems possibly worth the benefit of the 410's extra firepower. As long as the B-29 is no faster than the interceptors considered, I think it's doable. I expect (been out of the game forever, so don't recall exact numbers, only overall trends) a 410 doing a few dozen MPH more than a B-29 is still manageable. It's only with really slow interceptors (e.g. B25H) that you really don't get more than a few passes and then get helplessly get left behind.
What the overall picture looks like is a lot like the standard Luftwaffe MO - only as much effectiveness from the plane as the pilot provides in discipline.
I found data for the 410A-1/U2 doing 390mph@ ~22,000ft and only 375 mph at 25,800ft. So I'd guess it will be significant slower than that at 30k, and that's without a heavy Mk 103. According to the chart AKAK posted some time ago, the B-29 had a top speed around 348mph at that altitude.
And that actually seems to be knots instead of miles... :uhoh
| Package | Power |
| 110G | 1483 |
| 410: 2x151+2x103 | 1260 |
| A-8: 2x30 | 1213 |
| 410: just 103's | 990 |
| 410: 6x151 | 810 |
| Ta 152 | 741 |
| Mossie | 700 |
| 190A-8 | 612 |
| 109K-4 | 543 |
| 410: just the BK5 | 453 |
| Spit XIV | 410 |
| 190D-9 | 342 |
| P-38 | 295 |
| P47-M | 240 |
| P-51D | 180 |
Tony Williams' power formula
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. Only the 47M looks comparable, and I have no idea what its agility is like to compare it with the 152's agility/firepower.
Remember Lusche, this is moot were talking about. If he wanted to kill B29's with a c202 he would find a way.
Remember Lusche, this is moot were talking about. If he wanted to kill B29's with a c202 he would find a way.:lol Right.
I don't think this firepower advantage would hold in a swarm scenario like TT bombing missions.. But then again if you've got the benefit of an attacking swarm, you can probably get a few kills before being outrun.
Maybe a new "B-29 and the interception problem" thread?
Me163=no intercept problem. but only near HQ.A b29 will swat that 163 like a rag doll if I tried to get near it...
maybe HTC should enable it near strats too.
I already stated why it was removed and it was not due to the reliability of the 20mm cannon.Can you post a reliable source?
ack-ack
Can you post a reliable source?In case AKAK gets busy or something and can't reply for a while - I remember him saying over at FW that the 20 was removed because its ballistics made aiming it and .50s together too difficult.
In case AKAK gets busy or something and can't reply for a while - I remember him saying over at FW that the 20 was removed because its ballistics made aiming it and .50s together too difficult.Sounds reasonable enough. I had read that design of ammo feed system presented persistent problems with reliability. Also, at combat ranges of 1000 yards and less I am curious how the ballistics could be so screwed up as to make the 20mm the one undesirable gun. I would rather have the 20mm than two 50s.
A quick vid that Waffle put together.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuCmC3gMBLc
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I think the B-29 superfartress is going to be a detriment to the game. But what the heck do I know? :airplane:Its a valid POV Jay. Another way to look at it is this: Its another target to shoot at and be challenged by.
All the Best...
Jay
, and the community at large which has the collective attention span of a ferret on speed will go back to doing what they do every day and sniping at each other.
I don't think it will be the death of the game. Sure when it comes out a bunch of guys are going to give it a run for a while, then some of the better fighter guys will figure out it's Achilles heel and share it, tactics will evolve both sides, and the community at large which has the collective attention span of a ferret on speed will go back to doing what they do every day and sniping at each other. I'll probably play with it a bit offline but I'm not normally a bomber guy then go back to being slapped around in AVA.
But in the long run how many people will keep using them "smart", protecting their perks by climbing to very high altitudes? Who will continue to spend 30 - 45 minutes to get to altitude and over their target? One part will simply get bored, the other will learn that there are much quicker, cheaper and more efficient ways to kill hangars and grab a field
ME! :D
me too... but we are a minority :PME :)
Only a P-47 with 3 drop tanks or a TA-152 with drop tanks could get near them.
A b29 will swat that 163 like a rag doll if I tried to get near it...
It shouldn't...Me 262 and the Me 163 should be rather successful in intercepting the B-29.
It shouldn't...Me 262 and the Me 163 should be rather successful in intercepting the B-29. Both have the speed and fire power to take one on but again, it depends on the attack profile the Me 262/Me 163 driver uses. In real life, the B-29s were massacred by the MiG 15 when they were intercepted in during the Korean War and forced the B-29 into bombing at night, the radar guided defensive gun turrets couldn't track the jets.1. 163 are one of the lightest armored planes in this game, first and much to knock it out 2. If there's a 262 at 30k (which where I'm going to be) it's gonna be SO slow and low on fuel after that long climb, it is also a big target. 3. B29's may have been blown away by mig15's, but tere isn't any mig15's in the game....
ack-ack
The Me163 will but the Me262 will not, particularly if the bomber is at high altitude.
Above 25,000ft, yes, the Me 262 will have its work cut out for it but below 20,000ft the Me 262 should have no troubles intercepting a B-29.
It all depends how smart the bomber is...if it's a noob he's gonna stop at 15 smart35k
Above 25,000ft, yes, the Me 262 will have its work cut out for it but below 20,000ft the Me 262 should have no troubles intercepting a B-29.
ack-ack
1. 163 are one of the lightest armored planes in this game, first and much to knock it out 2. If there's a 262 at 30k (which where I'm going to be) it's gonna be SO slow and low on fuel after that long climb, it is also a big target. 3. B29's may have been blown away by mig15's, but tere isn't any mig15's in the game....
If you think you will find a B29 below 20k, unless it is taking off or landing, you must believe in Santa Claus.
edit: They won't risk losing any perk costs associated with using a B29 at low alt, I guarantee it.
It all depends how smart the bomber is...if it's a noob he's gonna stop at 15 smart35k
The example of using the MiG 15 was to show how vulnerable the B-29 was to attack from jets and regardless of how "light skinned" the Me 163 is, it's speed and fire power will make it more than a match when intercepting a B-29.
AKAK, the MiG15 had a much better climb rate than the WWII jets do. Not to mention, they are faster at altitude than the Me262 as well.Probably a bit more menu averable, I think the MiG15 had a 37mm cannon too
Probably a bit more menu averable, I think the MiG15 had a 37mm cannon too
What's this high altitude interception stuff about?Hehe this when I send my minions at them!! :devil :lol
- just follow them home in an NOE B-25H and plink em with 75mm HE when they're landing , or for more flexibility - up a p47 / p38 with DTs and rockets. :devil
What's this high altitude interception stuff about?
- just follow them home in an NOE B-25H and plink em with 75mm HE when they're landing , or for more flexibility - up a p47 / p38 with DTs and rockets. :devil
What's this high altitude interception stuff about?
- just follow them home in an NOE B-25H and plink em with 75mm HE when they're landing , or for more flexibility - up a p47 / p38 with DTs and rockets. :devil
That was precisely what I was thinking, when I'm in the mood to B29 hunt, I'm going to follow em home. What goes up must come down.If any one follows me...i will run u out of gas and send my minions at you!!!
Wiley.
AKAK, the MiG15 had a much better climb rate than the WWII jets do. Not to mention, they are faster at altitude than the Me262 as well.
That was precisely what I was thinking, when I'm in the mood to B29 hunt, I'm going to follow em home. What goes up must come down.
But I won't come down at a frontline airfield. Good luck in following me NOE through several dar circles and staying below 70ft all the time ;)
But I won't come down at a frontline airfield. Good luck in following me NOE through several dar circles and staying below 70ft all the time ;):aok multitasking and bombing best way, take off near strats, go things around the house level off, do more things, bomb a ton of towns, sit in tailgunner watching for planes, then land at strays again!
I think the part people are not prepared for is how tough this plane is going to be. think p47, f6f hellcat toughness and multiply that toughness by a billion and thats likely where the b29 will be.
the report from the p61 black widow emptying its full ammunition clip into an unmanned b29 to down it and still barely denting it makes me think a 109k4 will not even dent this with anything but a cockpit shot.
50 cals will likely be useless as well.
about the only thing with the firepower would be a 190a8 or ta152 and then just barely would they probably get one down out of the formation if they survived the defensive fire.
UM 110 with rockets . Learn how to use them.
Probably a bit more menu averable, I think the MiG15 had a 37mm cannon too
First, there may be a huge number of B-29's. But in the long run how many people will keep using them "smart", protecting their perks by climbing to very high altitudes? Who will continue to spend 30 - 45 minutes to get to altitude and over their target? One part will simply get bored, the other will learn that there are much quicker, cheaper and more efficient ways to kill hangars and grab a field
Maneuverability had nothing to do with it, jets were too fast for the radar controlled defensive guns to track targets properly. Since I don't think the game is going to model the radar controlled defensive guns, that means it's going to rely on manual tracking which is a vulnerability that can be exploited.It's harder to hit a more twisty plane (stick stiring 190's are harder to hit when they flop everywhere)
ack-ack
Maneuverability had nothing to do with it, jets were too fast for the radar controlled defensive guns to track targets properly. Since I don't think the game is going to model the radar controlled defensive guns, that means it's going to rely on manual tracking which is a vulnerability that can be exploited.
ack-ack
It's harder to hit a more twisty plane (stick stiring 190's are harder to hit when they flop everywhere)
It's actually a lot harder to hit a fast moving target than a slower, maneuvering target that is possibly presenting multiple angles while "stick stirring". And, I'm sure you already know this but "stick stirring" while attacking a bomber is not the best tactic to use.I hear ya, loud and clear... :cheers:
I'm not saying the Me 262 or the Me 163 is are going to be the ultimate B-29 killer, I'm just saying that these to aircraft are very capable of intercepting the B-29 as they both have the speed and fire power necessary.
Again, it was the jet that rendered the B-29 obsolete, not its age. The obvious reason why jets didn't have an impact on the B-29 during World War II was that Japan didn't have any other than the odd suicide rocket plane. Would have been interesting to see how the B-29 would have faired over Europe.
ack-ack
As far as the 262 goes, in the hands of a experienced AH gamer with plenty of grab time on his/her hands, B29s will be going down in flames, one way or another.
I doubt it... As-is B-24s and B-17s are already instant death/disable for a 262 attack, even if you come in slashing front angles or direct HO (smallest window for return fire).Can you imagine what it would've been like for Japanese fighter pilots to try to attack these monsters? The size difference between a SuperFort and a Tony or Raiden is amazing...
[EDIT: I made a fast slashing attack in a 262 from 2 oclock at a high angle on SKcolt and he disabled 1 of my guns and 1 of my engines before I opened fire, roughly 23k alt -- several tests with several 262 pilots resulted in instant death, damage, or disable on the first pass through a cluster of bombers. The 262 may get 1 posthumous kill but the rest will get through in most AH cases.]
After looking at the miniscule grouping of all guns on the target in that video, I doubt a 262 will get to guns range most times.
Not to mention they can barely fly level at 30K (cannot get above that, really) so when trying to attack a B-29 at 30K they will only have flat angles with which to attack (which equals instant death from gunners)...
262 will not be a threat to the B-29 when the B-29 is flown at 30K+ like the majority will be in AH.
I wonder if the effects of explosive decompression will be modeled in game?
whereas in AH bombers are light, responsive, and nimble because they are flown at 25% almost always.
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I'm getting really sick of folks posting a satirical image as the entirety of their response... The past week it has gotten totally out of hand and is really annoying.
See that? Words are quite useful for expressing thoughts. Let's use them more often.
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Kazaa, that's a really nice composite. Too bad smoke and clouds don't look like that here!Kaz has learned the art of video and picture editing hopefull he can teach me :confused:
Where is the background from? IL2? One of those ground war games (recent tank game comes to mind)?
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amazing!
New comp background!! :D :D
HTC's solution to align all guns to one point is not realistic in any way, also 3 darn planes aligning their guns to one point shooting up to 1k and be able to kill in a snapshot at that distance makes you go hm-mm.
Also the lancs rifle caliber should do considerable less damage than they do now.
Also the lancs rifle caliber should do considerable less damage than they do now.
HTC's solution to align all guns to one point is not realistic in any way, also 3 darn planes aligning their guns to one point shooting up to 1k and be able to kill in a snapshot at that distance makes you go hm-mm.llancs should never be attacked by spitfires, mossies, p-38's, typhoons, zekes, b-25's, ponies, it is very unrealistic !!
Also the lancs rifle caliber should do considerable less damage than they do now.
HTC's solution to align all guns to one point is not realistic in any way, also 3 darn planes aligning their guns to one point shooting up to 1k and be able to kill in a snapshot at that distance makes you go hm-mm.Every statement you made here is wrong.
Also the lancs rifle caliber should do considerable less damage than they do now.
now if they would just tell us the release date :noid lol
HTC's solution to align all guns to one point is not realistic in any way, also 3 darn planes aligning their guns to one point shooting up to 1k and be able to kill in a snapshot at that distance makes you go hm-mm.
Also the lancs rifle caliber should do considerable less damage than they do now.
Then Ill attack your whine you sniveling dweeb. Since you admit your immaturity above.
You can not even understand the basic concept that war simulation and aircraft simulation are 2 completely different concepts.
Not only that your premises of Zero's and p-51s fighting is again incorrect, you have every opportunity to fly AvA.
So grow up and ask for what you really want. I.E. you want bombers to be easier to kill because you are not skilled enough to be up to the task.
HiTech
HiTech
I remember HiTech lighting someone up on the forums for a statement very similar to this. Some nugget was whining about how only 1 or 2 other guns should shoot at the enemy.....*goes to look*
everyone already knows when that is.... *wait for it*
haha that's a good one. B-29's were very hard to bring downThey weren't that hard to bring down at all. All you had to do was fly it and let the flaming engine take care of the rest.
HTC's solution to align all guns to one point is not realistic in any way, also 3 darn planes aligning their guns to one point shooting up to 1k and be able to kill in a snapshot at that distance makes you go hm-mm.
Also the lancs rifle caliber should do considerable less damage than they do now.