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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: BowHTR on February 26, 2011, 10:16:48 AM
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I was recently playing Combat Arms and i was very rudely informed by a (14) fourteen year old that i was a noob and i should go kill myself due to being to noobish. I replied telling him that he should learn some manners and try getting a job instead of sitting around all day. He informed me that i should be the one getting a job. I replied stating i have a job with the Georgia, Department of Public Safety, State Patrol Division. He informed me that he hopes that i get shot in the line of duty. Whats wrong with kids these days? Im not that old. Im still very young, but old enough to carry a badge and a gun.
What are your thought on todays kids and the upcoming generation?
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blame the parents...
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I've been saving this arguement for a while-
Kids are always the same way, the only reason they seem different is that now you have to deal with the toejam they spray out to adults. Relax, civilization will continue.
-Penguin
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Kid needs a spanking. Zero respect to authority / grown ups and you see the results.
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blame the parents...
+1, I believe it is a parenting issue also. Neither of my children would even think of acting like that.
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I am definitely blaming the parents on this on. I know that i was never raised that way. i learned you always treat everyone with respect no matter who they are. Whether you like them or not.
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I was recently playing Combat Arms and i was very rudely informed by a (14) fourteen year old that i was a noob and i should go kill myself due to being to noobish. I replied telling him that he should learn some manners and try getting a job instead of sitting around all day. He informed me that i should be the one getting a job. I replied stating i have a job with the Georgia, Department of Public Safety, State Patrol Division. He informed me that he hopes that i get shot in the line of duty. Whats wrong with kids these days? Im not that old. Im still very young, but old enough to carry a badge and a gun.
What are your thought on todays kids and the upcoming generation?
Stupid kids are the spawn of stupid parents.
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It was online.he knew you couldn't do anything about it so he was being a "tough guy" happens in AH happens every where online.bet you all the money i have that he wouldn't have said that to your face...
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I've been saving this arguement for a while-
Kids are always the same way, the only reason they seem different is that now you have to deal with the toejam they spray out to adults. Relax, civilization will continue.
-Penguin
What IS different is that they have an internet to hide behind. Times are not the the same at all when it comes to that. Being behind a computer makes those that wouldn't otherwise be disrespectful be completely ignorant due to the fact that no one can put them in their place face to face. When it comes to school pressure, yes things are the same, but in this day and age of interaction with adults in the internet environment, kids today do not have any respect or care to.
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blame the parents...
Amen!
I see kids in the store all the time I KNOW were raised by wolves in a cave somewhere.
If I had done .00001% of what I see them do in front of their parents by butt would have been beat fire engine red with a switch.
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It was online.he knew you couldn't do anything about it so he was being a "tough guy" happens in AH happens every where online.bet you all the money i have that he wouldn't have said that to your face...
jay and silent bob... :lol
i won't elaborate...just say, surprise!!!
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A few spankings and a daily dose of chores might have taught him some respect and responsibility. With the belief that the internet makes you anonymous, they act in ways they certainly wouldn't act to your face.
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I am a 14 year old, and just to clarify, the majority of kids arent like that/dont pull off those stunts. sure, theres the occasional idiot who would say stuff like that, but mostly if you give us a legitimate answer, we would back down
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I'm a kid, and a lot of kids wont do that to an adult, and a lot will. It goes both ways.
It is probably do to the fact that you are not talking to him in person.
People talk crap on XBox all the time, kids and adults. He probably is just mad at his parents for grounding him when they saw his report card.
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What kids say online in games most of the time pales in comparison to what the adults say.
ack-ack
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What kids say online in games most of the time pales in comparison to what the adults say.
ack-ack
Of course, but the both smacktalk like that just to a very wide and different degree.
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I was recently playing Combat Arms and i was very rudely informed by a (14) fourteen year old that i was a noob and i should go kill myself due to being to noobish. I replied telling him that he should learn some manners and try getting a job instead of sitting around all day. He informed me that i should be the one getting a job. I replied stating i have a job with the Georgia, Department of Public Safety, State Patrol Division. He informed me that he hopes that i get shot in the line of duty. Whats wrong with kids these days? Im not that old. Im still very young, but old enough to carry a badge and a gun.
What are your thought on todays kids and the upcoming generation?
I really found with any game, just ignore everyone else and you won't have any kind of problem. And whats your in-game ID for CA? I play as well and it would be nice to see some fellow Ah'ers in-game whenever I play.
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Haven't seen the difference, stories I've heard from people 2 - 3x older then me don't sound all that different from the stupidity I get myself into. The only real difference is the Internet and how it makes you "anonymous", but I wouldn't take it for more then a grain of salt simply because the interaction is so dissimilar to that of real life.
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he speaks the truth. its online-disregard it
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I have a very explicit COD video of an angry player. I'll PM anyone who wants to see, but i'm all the way agreeing with parents not teaching their kids right. I a few Call of duty servers and i see those kinda kids often, immediate boot and a reason of why, tho i don't think they have the patients to read. I play with honest good players, not people who try to kill themselves or tell people to die so people will feel bad. Its annoying
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As a somewhat unhappy member of the generation you are referring to I agree 100% with others, it's the parents. I can assure you I hear that all the time with my peers but I think the (kids these days) is to stereotypical because there are plenty of well mannered, well rounded kids trust me! I have a job, play sports, volunteer etc, i'm 15 and already have my career planned out, and I can say the same for at least 20% of the peers I go to school with!
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it's parenting
anyway my only reply is
ignore them - they get super pissed when you do.
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I've raised a respectful, honest, and upstanding son. I'm extremely proud of the obstacles he has overcome. He knows for a FACT that if I caught him acting any different on the internet than he did in real life I'd cheerfully knock him out with a cluebyfour. Then I'd laugh at him for griping about his headache.
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Tough love = success in life
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I'd like to point out, as a sixteen year old, that the problem does not only
lie with the parents. The lack of mature adults/peers is also a reason.
Face it, how many 20 year olds do you guys know that don't drink,don't
smoke or do drugs, don't swear, and have respect for absolutely
everyone? Who also try to teach kids good things in the world, about
fishing and the long-forgotten 'being kind' thing?
Not many in my world, that's for sure. Granted there will always be a few
guys/gals like that, but it's just so very rare...
Then there comes the friends that kids have. A HUGE influence, but it
again comes down to the parents being ignorant and not noting the type
of people their kids hang out with or what their kids are doing.
Sometimes with parents, they're far too strict with their kids, they
think they're keeping their kids in line but.. They just don't know how much
pain their kids are in because of it, the internal turmoil. I've seen kids who've
resorted to drugs and alcohol, simply because their parents didn't give them
a bit of freedom everyone else has.
But in regards to the topic, it's the parents and the peers who don't guide their
kids. I'll admit, I swear and cuss on Xbox Live all the time, but at the very least
I don't direct it at anybody in particular, or I do it in a form where I know I can't
harm anyone's feelings (IE, microphone out and off). It's just a form of stress relief
for me, really.
I've been hearing a lot of that 'you suck, go hang yourself' stuff lately. It's rather
sickening when I think about it. Especially the age of some of the kids.
Sorry if this post wasn't much on topic, but if there's anything I can rant somewhat
well about it is today's youth.
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it's parenting
anyway my only reply is
ignore them - they get super pissed when you do.
Or play along. Nothing is more satisfying then being called slang
for homosexual and telling the guy where you like it and where he can
stick it because you know he likes it too ;)
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Or play along. Nothing is more satisfying then being called slang
for homosexual and telling the guy where you like it and where he can
stick it because you know he likes it too ;)
ok this demanded a response from me
and the response: :rofl
I forgot all about this :P
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see, today if you did that, you would terrify the kid, because its "bad" to be gay.us i would know.us I am
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I just mute em.....or just wait and killem over and over and over again, as they try to do any and everything. And yes it is a parenting issues if they got their butt whooped they wouldn't do that crap plain and simple. worked for a good long while and now look.
:devil
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jay and silent bob... :lol
i won't elaborate...just say, surprise!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjWFZPJZTxU
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see, today if you did that, you would terrify the kid, because its "bad" to be gay.us i would know.us I am
:huh
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I was recently playing Combat Arms and i was very rudely informed by a (14) fourteen year old that i was a noob and i should go kill myself due to being to noobish. I replied telling him that he should learn some manners and try getting a job instead of sitting around all day. He informed me that i should be the one getting a job. I replied stating i have a job with the Georgia, Department of Public Safety, State Patrol Division. He informed me that he hopes that i get shot in the line of duty. Whats wrong with kids these days? Im not that old. Im still very young, but old enough to carry a badge and a gun.
What are your thought on todays kids and the upcoming generation?
i think you can blame their parents...at least partially.
it seems almost as if these days, a majority of parents use the school systems as their daycare. they don't seem to want to put in time with their kids to teach them as our parents taught us.
it's pretty scary really.
the good thing is that there are also very many good kids coming up.
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I really found with any game, just ignore everyone else and you won't have any kind of problem. And whats your in-game ID for CA? I play as well and it would be nice to see some fellow Ah'ers in-game whenever I play.
In game name: GaTrooper
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjWFZPJZTxU
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
good stuff :D
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Parents. Lack of discipline. Lack of responsibility. Lack of repercussion for bad actions. But above all, when it comes to the internet, remember that there are those people who like to, or try to rather to display their e-noodle and be a big bad tough guy, or an intellectual, etc. Kids are best at imitating what they see, not free or proper thought. That twirp probably saw/heard someone insult the heck out of someone and figured he could do the same.
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BS at the idea that kids are getting worse. This sort of trend ('it used to be better than it is now') has been going on for thousands of years in various forms. I am certain that fifty years before this, people were saying the same thing, and I am certain that they will be saying the same thing fifty years from now.
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BS at the idea that kids are getting worse. This sort of trend ('it used to be better than it is now') has been going on for thousands of years in various forms. I am certain that fifty years before this, people were saying the same thing, and I am certain that they will be saying the same thing fifty years from now.
kid from 40 years ago: yea, i did it, so what?(shortly followed by a good bellybutton kicking from his father)
kid from today: yea, i did it, but it wasn't my fault.(shortly followed by his mother coddling him telling him it wasn't his fault.
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:huh
... what was that?
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kid from 40 years ago: yea, i did it, so what?(shortly followed by a good bellybutton kicking from his father)
kid from today: yea, i did it, but it wasn't my fault.(shortly followed by his mother coddling him telling him it wasn't his fault.
You see, as an adult, your only interaction with kids are the ones which will talk to you. Mainly, those interactions are negative. As a kid, you can interact with the full range of kids, and your picture of their character is much better. Therefore, as an adult, you will have the impression that kids are getting worse, while in fact they aren't better or worse than they were before.
-Penguin
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Some do seem to still know everything...
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I use whatever logic I can, and these forums have sharpened me up quite a bit. One's age doesn't affect the truth value of one's point.
-Penguin
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You see, as an adult, your only interaction with kids are the ones which will talk to you. Mainly, those interactions are negative. As a kid, you can interact with the full range of kids, and your picture of their character is much better. Therefore, as an adult, you will have the impression that kids are getting worse, while in fact they aren't better or worse than they were before.
-Penguin
trust me when i tell you that you're wrong about everything you posted here.
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So I should ignore every step of logic I put into that and go with an unsupported opinion?
-Penguin
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I was recently playing Combat Arms and i was very rudely informed by a (14) fourteen year old that i was a noob and i should go kill myself due to being to noobish. I replied telling him that he should learn some manners and try getting a job instead of sitting around all day. He informed me that i should be the one getting a job. I replied stating i have a job with the Georgia, Department of Public Safety, State Patrol Division. He informed me that he hopes that i get shot in the line of duty. Whats wrong with kids these days? Im not that old. Im still very young, but old enough to carry a badge and a gun.
What are your thought on todays kids and the upcoming generation?
It's a mix of the two .
1: Bad parenting
2: Being behind a computer where the only place he can be a ruff guy .
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I was recently playing Combat Arms and i was very rudely informed by a (14) fourteen year old that i was a noob and i should go kill myself due to being to noobish. I replied telling him that he should learn some manners and try getting a job instead of sitting around all day. He informed me that i should be the one getting a job. I replied stating i have a job with the Georgia, Department of Public Safety, State Patrol Division. He informed me that he hopes that i get shot in the line of duty. Whats wrong with kids these days? Im not that old. Im still very young, but old enough to carry a badge and a gun.
What are your thought on todays kids and the upcoming generation?
My thoughts about kids these days? Nothing wrong or different with them compared to the time I was growing up. You allegedly met ONE kid on the internet. You tried to pull rank on him. It did not work and you came here crying implying that the alleged incident applies to all kids today and that there is something wrong with all kids. My guess, you probably instigated the whole thing lol
I hope you do not apply the same rules when you are on duty collecting money for the state.
So, what are your thoughts about state cops picking up fights with 14 year olds on the net?
This is becoming the "I hate kids club" lately :lol
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as the 18 yr old son of an abusing mother and deceased drunk father. i cant tell you i rebeled alot.
i find most parents now adays are hypocrites.
they'll tell there kids not to do drugs. and then light up a joint right infront of them.
my mother told me to never get into smoking. then right after she'd say that. she would smokw half a pack and blow the smoke in my face.
my friends dad told him to never sell drugs. and then what does the dad do? sells pot to all the kids parents.
parents tell there kids to never talk back to them. but then what do the parents do? start talking back to THEIR parents right infront of the kids.
pretty much, you cant tell your kids to not do all this, then go out and do it yourself without the kids thinking "well why cant i do this too?"
ive been to juvenile 19 times. when my father was alive. he'd wake up at 9. have a pepsi max to wake up. then have a whole 12 pack drunk by noon. when he drunk he got mad. and would try to boss me around.
my father was only in my life 3 months out of the 18 yrs ive been alive. so naturally when he just showed up and started bossing me around, i thought " well who the hell are you to tell me what to do?"
i even told this too him. but he barked at me that it didnt matter how long he was in my life. he was my father and i was to bow to him whenever he said so.
we got into alot of fights. i broke his nose twice.
basically. parents today tell there kids to not do something, then go out and do that exact thing they told the kids not to do, right infront of the kids.
i think parents today need to learn what "lead by example" means.
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So I should ignore every step of logic I put into that and go with an unsupported opinion?
-Penguin
my opinion is supported by what i see every day.
view it how ya want.
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i find most parents now adays are hypocrites.
they'll tell there kids not to do drugs. and then light up a joint right infront of them.
I am willing to bet that "most" parents are nothing like that.
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society is screwed with the kids these days. I'm only 17, i dont have much room to talk....but I know when my generation and the ones younger then me grow up were in deep toejam.
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I am willing to bet that "most" parents are nothing like that.
hope you dont bet anything valuable then.
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hope you dont bet anything valuable then.
did you say you were 16?
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society is screwed with the kids these days. I'm only 17, i dont have much room to talk....but I know when my generation and the ones younger then me grow up were in deep toejam.
lol, you guys are the same way I remember myself and the other kids in my school. The adults are also the same way. They were complaining about the kids those days vs when they grew up. I am pretty sure 2000 years ago we had the same complains. Not let the old and bitter people get to you. They have forgotten what it means to be a kid or are jealous those days are over for them.
You guys are the future, weather some people like it or not. Not only that, but you have to deal and fix the mess all the whiners generation is leaving for you. Support and advice is what you need. Not whining about how better it used to be when they got the crap beat out of them.
Look around you. See anything wrong with the world? Guess who created it. I guess those beatings did not work after all :rofl
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lol, you guys are the same way I remember myself and the other kids in my school. The adults are also the same way. They were complaining about the kids those days vs when they grew up. I am pretty sure 2000 years ago we had the same complains. Not let the old and bitter people get to you. They have forgotten what it means to be a kid or are jealous those days are over for them.
You guys are the future, weather some people like it or not. Not only that, but you have to deal and fix the mess all the whiners generation is leaving for you. Support and advice is what you need. Not whining about how better it used to be when they got the crap beat out of them.
Look around you. See anything wrong with the world? Guess who created it. I guess those beatings did not work after all :rofl
your very right now that i think about it. the leather belt should be legal though if you screw up that much lol.
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"I am willing to bet that "most" parents are nothing like that."
Course they're not but the contents of several postings show there are
some who perspective because their world is small. IMO you're posts are
pretty much dead on dedolas. You're debating with a few who have no
idea things can be different elsewhere and it's a no-win situation.
As for the original post i think it's truly pathetic that a grown man would
get himself into any type of situation where he's arguing with a jeuvile.
Especially in some online game. Something is wrong with that so-called
'adult' imo.
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your very right now that i think about it. the leather belt should be legal though if you screw up that much lol.
Heh, if it gets to that point its too late. Think about it, the kid knew what was coming and still did it. Other than revenge it wont do much. The problem with it being legal is, where do you draw the line. As you can see by reading what has become the "I hate kids club" BBS, most consider kids their property so making it elegal is actually safer :lol.
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"I am willing to bet that "most" parents are nothing like that."
Course they're not but the contents of several postings show there are
some who perspective because their world is small. IMO you're posts are
pretty much dead on dedolas. You're debating with a few who have no
idea things can be different elsewhere and it's a no-win situation.
I agree. Even worse, to them different is also wrong.
As for the original post i think it's truly pathetic that a grown man would
get himself into any type of situation where he's arguing with a jeuvile.
Especially in some online game. Something is wrong with that so-called
'adult' imo.
Heh, you can tell by him posting his two line long title that he tried to pull rank on the kid. That guy will pull you over one night in a dark place. If you are a teenager, watch out, he has a score to even with all of you.
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I am willing to bet that "most" parents are nothing like that.
In school, I'm no bad kid, I'm not a good kid either, I for surely no slack off scrub, fairly high in my "click" and more then half of my friends parents don't care or will do it with me or my friends....
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In school, I'm no bad kid, I'm not a good kid either, I for surely no slack off scrub, fairly high in my "click" and more then half of my friends parents don't care or will do it with me or my friends....
Look at westy's post
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Look at westy's post
Just saw that...
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Heh, if it gets to that point its too late. Think about it, the kid knew what was coming and still did it. Other than revenge it wont do much. The problem with it being legal is, where do you draw the line. As you can see by reading what has become the "I hate kids club" BBS, most consider kids their property so making it elegal is actually safer :lol.
yet again, your right.
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Bloody hell, this thread is just proof that society hasn't fundamentally changed in the past 2,000 years...
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my opinion is supported by what i see every day.
view it how ya want.
So is his, Cap. Refusing to believe that because you know better doesn't change anything.
Westy, dedalos, and Yossarian are worth re-reading in this thread.
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my opinion is supported by what i see every day.
view it how ya want.
And I'm a Nigerian prince... let's see you refute my point about sampling bias.
-Penguin
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And I'm a Nigerian prince... let's see you refute my point about sampling bias.
-Penguin
your english is too good. therefore you cannot be a nigerian prince. :devil
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I feel it's none of my business if you are gay, or have abusive parents or anything else that is best shared
with friends and family, not strangers on a BBS.
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wow...im almost 15 and i never act like that. if i did my mom would beat the indian out of me...
your english is too good. therefore you cannot be a nigerian prince. :devil
and i think that rude comment right there is just a little racist. are you saying people that are african cant spell/speak right? hmm....i dont know if its just that i took it wrong or your not being serious
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I was recently playing Combat Arms and i was very rudely informed by a (14) fourteen year old that i was a noob and i should go kill myself due to being to noobish. I replied telling him that he should learn some manners and try getting a job instead of sitting around all day. He informed me that i should be the one getting a job. I replied stating i have a job with the Georgia, Department of Public Safety, State Patrol Division. He informed me that he hopes that i get shot in the line of duty. Whats wrong with kids these days? Im not that old. Im still very young, but old enough to carry a badge and a gun.
What are your thought on todays kids and the upcoming generation?
You got insulted because a 14 year old kid told you to kill yourself and get a job over the internet?
and i think that rude comment right there is just a little racist. are you saying people that are african cant spell/speak right? hmm....i dont know if its just that i took it wrong or your not being serious
Never thought that Nigerian Prince scams would become a 'you're too young' thing...
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wow...im almost 15 and i never act like that. if i did my mom would beat the indian out of me...
and i think that rude comment right there is just a little racist. are you saying people that are african cant spell/speak right? hmm....i dont know if its just that i took it wrong or your not being serious
the smiling devil should be the clue......
but your reaction is another problem with a lot of people today. they seem to want to find something to be offended about.
hell....i'm surprised someone hasn't gone off the deep end trying to stop people from calling the bathroom the "john".
i should also add........if i acted the way i see a lot of teens today act.......i'd have all false teeth right about now.
in fact....i raised my hand to my mother once. just once. i woke up on the kitchen floor. thanks to my grand pop. till that day, i never knew an old man(i loved him like a father, but he was still old) could move that fast. i was 13. i was much more respectful of mom after that day. and of how fast an old man could move.
i should also clarify.....if you've never seen one of those nigerian scam emails, then you wouldn't understand.
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When I was a kid, if I talked like that I got the belt....now a days kids get smacked on the palm.
-BigBOBCH
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When I was a kid, if I talked like that I got the belt....now a days kids get smacked on the palm.
-BigBOBCH
Hardly.. Barely a 'stern talking to' it would seem.
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When I was a kid, if I talked like that I got the belt....now a days kids get smacked on the palm.
-BigBOBCH
smack your kid, and let some nosy person see ya. you'll land yerself in jail.
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smack your kid, and let some nosy person see ya. you'll land yerself in jail.
when i was 14 my mother struck me across the face with a tire iron. i still have a small scar on my face from it.
but i guess all the people that are preaching to smack your kid back in line would applaud her doing that huh?
smacking your child is the worst way to try to teach them a lesson. they'll just change from doing w.e they were doing infront of you to doing it behind your back where you wont find out.
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some of us kids can be nice, others not so much
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when i was 14 my mother struck me across the face with a tire iron. i still have a small scar on my face from it.
but i guess all the people that are preaching to smack your kid back in line would applaud her doing that huh?
smacking your child is the worst way to try to teach them a lesson. they'll just change from doing w.e they were doing infront of you to doing it behind your back where you wont find out.
No..that is abuse..there is nothing wrong with discipline (smacking)... There has to be a line... it is those...like your mother who have caused this 'smacking' is wrong issue...The people that this has been bought in because of don't give two hoots and carry on abusing anyway......
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when i was 14 my mother struck me across the face with a tire iron. i still have a small scar on my face from it.
but i guess all the people that are preaching to smack your kid back in line would applaud her doing that huh?
smacking your child is the worst way to try to teach them a lesson. they'll just change from doing w.e they were doing infront of you to doing it behind your back where you wont find out.
funny.......it worked well with me........reference my post about the only time i ever dared to raise my hand at mom........and it worked with pretty much everyone i grew up with.
that being said.....if what you said is true.....i'm sorry.......
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some of us kids can be nice, others not so much
i don't think anyone of us thinks ALL kids are bad. i in fact have the pleasure to know quite a few good kids.
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i don't think anyone of us thinks ALL kids are bad. i in fact have the pleasure to know quite a few good kids.
the worst ones are the 12 year olds with too much Dr.Pepper and gamer rage :rofl
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the worst ones are the 12 year olds with too much Dr.Pepper and gamer rage :rofl
Are you KIDDING me?
All the 12 year olds rage on 'mtn' dew :uhoh
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a 12 yr old can rage on anything :lol
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So I should ignore every step of logic I put into that and go with an unsupported opinion?
-Penguin
Should I believe the world is the same today as it was ten years ago? If you truthfully believe it is, then I'm positive you're living in a world of theory. As the world changes, so do generations which grow in it. These changes become obvious through social outlets, behaviors, and various other means of expression.
I've talked with professors who've been watching these changes over the last five years. Needless to say, they're astonished with the difference. Some I've spoken with watched student bodies go from excelling opportunistic individuals to people who consistently whine about course content being "too difficult," that tests should "have multiple opportunities," and that the professors "don't know how to teach the course correctly." Keep in mind, this is in a period of five years. That's a very rapid change!
I too have witnessed this attitude. My classes have various students who complain about tests, course content, and reading material being "too difficult." Instead of studying, they compose stories begging for a second attempt at examinations, suggesting the professor didn't explain the information clearly enough.
It's not an unsupported opinion, kids are different these days. They're in an environment of instant gratification and they believe they can continue to thrive in such an environment as they transition toward independence. Even you know that upon placing an airplane in a nose-high attitude, you must increase power to prevent a stall. However, kids these days are flying nose-high into adulthood without adding power, yet they expect to reach the stars.
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As a former kid, and a parent who has raised 3 and now working on raising a 4th, and as one who has worked with 'troubled teens' for the last 25 years or so my observations are simple.
Kids are the same. parents set the tone.
One of the things I got caught up in believing while working with troubled teens was that all teenagers were problems. Then my kids got to their teenage years. I remember going to a basketball game at my kids high school. I thought it was a time warp to when I was in high school. It looked and sounded the same. I found that 99% of the parents were doing just fine along with their kids. But like anything, you don't see the kids doing well cause it doesn't draw any attention.
I feel blessed to have had good parents. I really believe my wife and I have done a good job with our kids, and I believe my kids will do well with theirs.
I laugh now when I think about how stupid I thought my Dad was from the time I was probably 15-18. I then went through that with my son when he was that age. I remember how it shocked me to hear my Dad's words coming out of my mouth to my son and realizing that he'd done a pretty good job after all :)
Bottom line is you get back what you put into parenting. And it is on the parents.
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As clarification on my previous point. I agree parents have a major influence on their children. I was merely attempting to point out there's a noticeable difference in the majority of kids these days. They expect instant results from anything they do.
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in fact....i raised my hand to my mother once. just once. i woke up on the kitchen floor. thanks to my grand pop. till that day, i never knew an old man(i loved him like a father, but he was still old) could move that fast. i was 13. i was much more respectful of mom after that day. and of how fast an old man could move.
See, that is what amazes me. You see nothing wrong with the way they were raising you and yet, you had to be knocked out in order to behave. I know you love your parents and you need to defend them, but don;t you see the fail there? It should not be about fear. It should be about respect! Do not confuse the two!
What you say is that you did not respect them but you respected pain. That works with wild animals in a circus but is that how we want our children raised? :huh
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Very, very interesting question.
"I am a 14 year old, and just to clarify, the majority of kids arent like that/dont pull off those stunts. sure, theres the occasional idiot who would say stuff like that, but mostly if you give us a legitimate answer, we would back down"
What is a legitimate answer for kids?
For some of them it is something that is told from their parents only
and never from other people.
Sorry but i think that the 'legitimate answer' is a tautology only - but not from the kids point of view :D
In general,
Kids cannot build the knowledge they need to survey and many
adults and societies ignore this point very much or they choose so because they are mad.
When i go to the bank to get some money i see dozen of people (adult and kids) that open the door
and release it without bring its course; many other that use hats no matter they where.
Silly details?
DAMN it was not so 25 or 35 years ago !!!
If today is no better then in past time, then, 'waiting for superman', it's time to re-edit 'olds models' a bit and put
all this toejam into the trash as soon as possible.
In also true that kids need space and nature to play and live and we build on the contrary a lot's of terrible thing for they.
Some of you has the fortune to live in a natural country but many kids no.
Let save yourself from the 'Bunga Bunga' model until you can!
In educational field there is a data.
It says that to optimal relationship between pupils and teachers is about of 5 or 6 pupils for each teacher.
If you increments pupils numbers, then the system became unstable and the education lost his quality.
Well, every people that hear this after says: "It's not possible to have a such system"
This is way we, as society, fail in the education field.
The system is certain possible if we re-think our society.
In past time when kids had young parents and also many gran-parents the system was not optimal but
quite better then know.
They had to answer the classic, lovely, question more frequently: "what did you do at school"; "How do you fill today"; "Why you destroy Mr. Bean plants??" All in the family asked them such questions and gave a variety of possible way of behavior.
Now where are families?
Disappeared? Why?
NO TRUE DEMOCRACY!
FALSE RELIGION!
NO EQUAL ACCESS TO RESOURCES !
AND WRONG USE OF THEM!
All that's remain is bad sex, bad drug, bad rock'roll and many stupid kids and men on the road.
Hope Well
We can win, if we reflect on some questions such as:
"For what i must work really? For a car in which i must put oil or it is not indispensable."
Let's find your answer gents.
I'm sure that we find always the same simple answer.
We don't need to tell which this answer is.
We need that it happens only.
Because when it happens, we defeat all the infamous system that work to make our life so brutal.
O.K I went over the top speaking like a politician ! :mad:
:salute
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And for every kid acting like an idiot, I can point at two adults acting even worse :old:
So, where is the what is wrong with adults thread? :lol One of you kids should start one but remember they will look for a reason to burn you lol. So, be at your best behavior and give them a lot of rope. They will figure out what to do with it lol
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See, that is what amazes me. You see nothing wrong with the way they were raising you and yet, you had to be knocked out in order to behave. I know you love your parents and you need to defend them, but don;t you see the fail there? It should not be about fear. It should be about respect! Do not confuse the two!
What you say is that you did not respect them but you respected pain. That works with wild animals in a circus but is that how we want our children raised? :huh
it was about respect. i got the talk afterwards. it was also about respecting the fact that old guys can indeed do things we as kids think they can't.
that was the only time i ever got hit that hard. and to be honest i deserved it, and know it.
i got spanked a lot when i was a kid......back then it wasn't fun. :noid i deserved that too. i was very far from perfect, and i know that. i still am. but.....had my mom, and grandparents not handled myself, and my brother as they did, chances are very good that we'd have come out to be a couple of asses.
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You are kidding right?
Have you ever tuned to 200 in game?
Imagine the spawn of the chest thumping 25 to 50 year olds whiners in AH.
Then re-think your question.
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it was about respect. i got the talk afterwards. it was also about respecting the fact that old guys can indeed do things we as kids think they can't.
that was the only time i ever got hit that hard. and to be honest i deserved it, and know it.
i got spanked a lot when i was a kid......back then it wasn't fun. :noid i deserved that too. i was very far from perfect, and i know that. i still am. but.....had my mom, and grandparents not handled myself, and my brother as they did, chances are very good that we'd have come out to be a couple of asses.
So, in your opinion, there was no other way to deal you? If that is true, how on earth can you ask what is wrong with kids today when the only solution to deal with kids back then was a good beating? I can tell you mine and pretty match all my friends and neighbors behave without the need to be knocked out or for me to impress them by moving like lightning when they "deserve it". So, I guess, kids now days are better then our generation.
I also know that it is impossible to get anyone who was brought up like that to actually think it was wrong for several reasons:
Check Westy's post again for a few of them.
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Does education need this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVcHhJD9bh0
:rofl
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So, in your opinion, there was no other way to deal you? If that is true, how on earth can you ask what is wrong with kids today when the only solution to deal with kids back then was a good beating? I can tell you mine and pretty match all my friends and neighbors behave without the need to be knocked out or for me to impress them by moving like lightning when they "deserve it". So, I guess, kids now days are better then our generation.
I also know that it is impossible to get anyone who was brought up like that to actually think it was wrong for several reasons:
Check Westy's post again for a few of them.
I see kids all the time that think that because their parents will not even just slap them in the face once....these kids think they can walk all over them...and they do.
i can show you 3 shining examples. they're brothers. they all are bad. they've all been kicked out of every high school they've been put in....but it wasn't their fault. none of them graduated. but it wasn't their fault. none of them holds a job. but it's not their fault. one even got fired from his own fathers shop in only a week. but it wasn't his fault.
and yes, they all said that each time.
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I see kids all the time that think that because their parents will not even just slap them in the face once....these kids think they can walk all over them...and they do.
i can show you 3 shining examples. they're brothers. they all are bad. they've all been kicked out of every high school they've been put in....but it wasn't their fault. none of them graduated. but it wasn't their fault. none of them holds a job. but it's not their fault. one even got fired from his own fathers shop in only a week. but it wasn't his fault.
and yes, they all said that each time.
And they were right. It was their parents fault. What you are missing is that beating them would have made no difference or make it worse. It was not the fact that you got knocked out that made you who you are. It was everything else your parents did for you. And BTW, 3 kids does not equal every kid.
As I said, you guys confuse respect with fear.
Most cases of adults complaining about other peoples kids come down to a kid expressing an opinion and not just saying "yes sir, you are right". You would accept that from an adult, but for some reason a kid should not have an opinion or express it. This is what started this thread. A kid stood up to a tax collector and now we are discussing why all kids are bad today. :rofl
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maybe i missed it, but i don't think anyone said all kids.......
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"I am willing to bet that "most" parents are nothing like that."
Course they're not but the contents of several postings show there are
some who perspective because their world is small. IMO you're posts are
pretty much dead on dedolas. You're debating with a few who have no
idea things can be different elsewhere and it's a no-win situation.
As for the original post i think it's truly pathetic that a grown man would
get himself into any type of situation where he's arguing with a jeuvile.
Especially in some online game. Something is wrong with that so-called
'adult' imo.
First off, I was not arguing with a "Juvenile". Second of all, he was 14, he can be tried as an adult in the State of Georgia, which means yes, at 14 you can go to prison in Ga. At 17 in Ga. you can get the death penalty, but thats a different subject.
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You got insulted because a 14 year old kid told you to kill yourself and get a job over the internet?
I was never insulted, I was simply surprised to see a 14 year old stating that.
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First off, I was not arguing with a "Juvenile". Second of all, he was 14, he can be tried as an adult in the State of Georgia, which means yes, at 14 you can go to prison in Ga. At 17 in Ga. you can get the death penalty, but thats a different subject.
Get over it and go hide behind some billboard big man :lol What is all this have to do with the subject? How many teens did you take revenge on since the alleged incident?
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maybe i missed it, but i don't think anyone said all kids.......
Yep, the title/subject is "Kids these days" and people have been talking about kids. Not a single kid that thought he was dealing with another 14 year old on the internet, assuming of coarse that everything happened the way the poster describes it.
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+1, I believe it is a parenting issue also. Neither of my children would even think of acting like that.
true it is a parenting issue. I thought my kid would never do such a thing either,both of them are pretty good kids,then I let the 11 year old play cars online and he promptly got banned
abusive behavior, we told him to stop,he did...then he claimed to have 3rd party hack that would make him do something to the others. his online gaming promptly ended.I explained that there is nothing more repulsive to me than someone that cheats be it in school or online video gaming,whats the point?
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true it is a parenting issue. I thought my kid would never do such a thing either,both of them are pretty good kids,then I let the 11 year old play cars online and he promptly got banned
abusive behavior, we told him to stop,he did...then he claimed to have 3rd party hack that would make him do something to the others. his online gaming promptly ended.I explained that there is nothing more repulsive to me than someone that cheats be it in school or online video gaming,whats the point?
What? You handled an issue with your kids without beatings? Un-possible, sir :lol.
My girls did something similar. Two months later they came back asking if it would be OK to go back on the online games and promised to behave. No problems since but if it did happen now they would go without online games until end of summer. Kind of forces them to get out and play with other kids also. Win win situation and I don;t have to worry about how fast I can move to knock them out :rofl
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was listening to a radio show a few months ago where a former NFL player was talking about how rude and racist kids are while playing games. Some 10 Y.O. kid dropped an N bomb on him so he told the kid he was a racist d***head and the kid told his parents. the kids mom got on and actually got in an argument with him about her kids behavior lmao. Some of the kids really need an *** whooping.
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there is a major differenxce between a beating, and a spanking, and/or a quick slap.
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there is a major differenxce between a beating, and a spanking, and/or a quick slap.
Yes, but all unnecessary. What were you talking about in your story of getting knocked out? a spanking? All you guys are talking about is bellybutton kickings, not a quick spank on the butt.
Why is it OK to do to a kid what you cannot do to an adult? I mean, if that is how you can get people to behave, I have a big list in my hands lol.
FYI, hitting is the easy way out. It takes a few seconds and you are done with it. Parenting on the other hand may take some effort. In the end, they are your kids. You can treat them as people or as property and circus animals. Your choice. I would not treat my dog the way some posters recommended though.
Done here unless big man, tax man has anything to say :lol
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Your a cop track him down and tell on him :lol
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I'm under the impression you have something against cops. He came here with an easy to understand gripe. He was surprised about what happend with a youngster online. As far as I can recall, he didn't say anything about beating a kid, maybe others have. Is your sarcasm really necessary? What ever problems you have with cops forget about it.
EDIT: not you belial, you posted while I was typing this.
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I'm under the impression you have something against cops. He came here with an easy to understand gripe. He was surprised about what happend with a youngster online. As far as I can recall, he didn't say anything about beating a kid, maybe others have. Is your sarcasm really necessary? What ever problems you have with cops forget about it.
EDIT: not you belial, you posted while I was typing this.
:rofl Anytime someone puts out a two line long title to impress me (or a 14 year old kid) sarcasm will follow. All I did was call him by what he really is. And please, don;t include all cops in this. Some of them have real jobs that are very dangerous and some times give their lives serving the public. Some, take it easy behind bill boards and cry when kids abuse them on line. Not all the same.
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And your constant belittling shows how your method worked for you, right? Definitely makes up my mind, I think I'll go spank my kids for the hell of it.
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And your constant belittling shows how your method worked for you, right? Definitely makes up my mind, I think I'll go spank my kids for the hell of it.
Can you tell I have a lot more respect for kids than adults? Even less for some adults? If anything, his action of starting this thread and his description of what happened confirm what I think.
To answer your question, no sir. It did not work. My dream was to depend on the people I take money from for a paycheck, hide behind billboards, and pick fights with 14 year olds on the net. I have failed and for that I blame my parents for not beating me up enough (see, you assumed they didn't :lol).
Heading home early today. I need to knock out an 11 and a 9 year old girl so they don't end up like me.
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I like how one of the posters put it
I would not treat my dog the way some posters recommended though.
If you pound on an animal, the ASPCA will put their fist so far up your anus you'll have fingers coming out of your eyes. If you pound on a defenseless human being who loves you unconditionally, nobody cares. That is the most stupifiying society one can imagine.
Poke a panda, get ten years in prison,
Poke a kid, nothing happens
-Penguin
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Yes, but all unnecessary. What were you talking about in your story of getting knocked out? a spanking? All you guys are talking about is bellybutton kickings, not a quick spank on the butt.
Why is it OK to do to a kid what you cannot do to an adult? I mean, if that is how you can get people to behave, I have a big list in my hands lol.
FYI, hitting is the easy way out. It takes a few seconds and you are done with it. Parenting on the other hand may take some effort. In the end, they are your kids. You can treat them as people or as property and circus animals. Your choice. I would not treat my dog the way some posters recommended though.
Done here unless big man, tax man has anything to say :lol
my grand pop doing that to me was one single time. i mean really.....do you think i didn't deserve that? in hindsight....i more than deserved that.
spankings? really? why are they not right or necessary? if that teaches the kid(which it has with virtually every kid i've known that got them) that what he/she did was wrong, and it sticks in their memory, why is it a bad thing? do you really think i'd have(in my case) come up the same, or any better without the spankings? i really don't think so.
do i think that every kid needs or should be spanked? hell no. you raise your kid as best as you can, whether it involves spankings or not. if they learn without spankings, then great! just don't be one of those that goes around minding every one elses business when you see them slap their kid for using the "B" word or worse.
when my brother or i got our spankings, we got the "talk" either during, before, or after. it's kinda funny how that tended to make it stick.
on a side note, my mom(not my grandmom) hurt her hand on me once..i was/am a skinny bastage. she used the ping pong paddles(those suckers STING!). whelp....if you've seen the older wood ones, there was always a small hole in the handle right where it widened up. i went downstairs one day, grabbed my grandpops hand auger, and enlarged these holes. mom broke one on my ass. that was the last time she spanked either of us. :devil
it scared her, 'cause she thought that she hit me too hard. :rofl i told her about that a few months ago, and rather funnily, she remembered that too.....and was kinda pissed, but laughed almost as hard as both me and my brother.
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And your constant belittling shows how your method worked for you, right? Definitely makes up my mind, I think I'll go spank my kids for the hell of it.
Yea, admittedly I agreed with him at first, but the more he posts the less I feel inclined to do so. I guess I'll change my stance to "go re-read the Westy and Yossarian posts"
Personally, my mom only ever slapped me once growing up, and it was most certainly deserved. I got spanked a few times, but the most common (and arguably effective) punishment was the old time out corner. The vast majority of the time none of these were necessary, due to proactive parenting.
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I'm under the impression you have something against cops. He came here with an easy to understand gripe. He was surprised about what happend with a youngster online. As far as I can recall, he didn't say anything about beating a kid, maybe others have. Is your sarcasm really necessary? What ever problems you have with cops forget about it.
EDIT: not you belial, you posted while I was typing this.
gotta remember, distance makes people feel safe. i had a 20 year old dood(was one of the 3 kids i mentioned in an earlier post) going off on me on the phone last week. why did he have the balls to do that? because he's staying with his cousin in va right now, as neither of his parents will take him back in thanks to his past.
if he were standing in my office, i know for fact he'd never have said half of the stuff he said. i did a pretty good job of controlling myself seeing as he's a friends kid.
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Yea, admittedly I agreed with him at first, but the more he posts the less I feel inclined to do so. I guess I'll change my stance to "go re-read the Westy and Yossarian posts"
Personally, my mom only ever slapped me once growing up, and it was most certainly deserved. I got spanked a few times, but the most common (and arguably effective) punishment was the old time out corner. The vast majority of the time none of these were necessary, due to proactive parenting.
Ohh, don;t confuse my feelings towards a few guys with the subject. They have nothing to do with each other. I am curious on the assumption that I did not get hit as a kid though, even after saying I did. Would getting hit as a kid make me like traffic cops some how? Respect is earned or lost. Somehow I lost respect for some people based on their actions.
I did not like the post to begin with. Coming from a person that I have lost respect for did not help his case lol. What exactly is it that you think these guys do that deserves my respect anyway? If you read my posts then you know I am not talking about all cops. Can you tell me what exactly they produce or offer to our society that demands my respect? In any case, it has nothing to do with this thread.
CAP, it is funny how you guys can tell us how to raise our kids but we cant tell you how. I apologize in advance, but if you slap your kid in public in front of me, you just made it my business. They are not property, remember?
See ya all tomorrow and remember, beat up on your kids or they will grow up not respecting traffic cops :old:
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Again, why do I laugh and joke with the older guys,why am I in the ROTC, why do I spend time playing this game and hanging out at the veterans association bar (RSL) with the lawn bowlers and the old soldiers round the corner?
Because, I was brought up to A: respect authority and the experience of age
B: treat everyone with respect unless they do not deserve it
C: Learn from mistakes and learn to shut up and not speak till spoken to
Why do I do these things. Because I got the shiit kicked out of me if I got out of line. Now that I respect authority, i get along with people quite well. Teachers don't like me however because my intelligence makes them think im going out of my way to subvert their authority, despite the fact im the only one who listens and calls them sir or maam.
Even so, as a kid I back up the point the older guys are making, without discipline. THIS is what happens.
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but if you slap your kid in public in front of me, you just made it my business.
That's actually how the ASPCA got started, except with a horse instead of a kid.
-Penguin
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Again, why do I laugh and joke with the older guys,why am I in the ROTC, why do I spend time playing this game and hanging out at the veterans association bar (RSL) with the lawn bowlers and the old soldiers round the corner?
Because, I was brought up to A: respect authority and the experience of age
B: treat everyone with respect unless they do not deserve it
C: Learn from mistakes and learn to shut up and not speak till spoken to
Why do I do these things. Because I got the shiit kicked out of me if I got out of line. Now that I respect authority, i get along with people quite well. Teachers don't like me however because my intelligence makes them think im going out of my way to subvert their authority, despite the fact im the only one who listens and calls them sir or maam.
Even so, as a kid I back up the point the older guys are making, without discipline. THIS is what happens.
i do not respect someone simply on age alone.
the whole age= wisdom metaphor is a farse.
i'll show respect to people. but only if they show it to me.
if some old guy was to come up and start taking shots at me, i wouldnt be like "yes sir, your word is better than mine. because your OLDER".
now, dont think what im saying means i dont respect the elders or veterans. because i do.
my grandfather is the person who i have the most respect for. man taught me everything when i was young.
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from how to tie my shoes to how to fix a fence,mow the yard and how to be a farmer (if i ever choose to be one).
he never once came at me with the "you'll do what i say because im older than you" line. he was curtious. and if he needed my help with something he would ask. and i would be glad to help him. he never forced me to do anything.
my FATHER on the other hand, is a shining example of why i dont respect age alone.
because he through his age around like it was a slave whip.
as soon as he moved in with us, he'd start bossing me around. as ive stated he was only in my life for 3 months (when i was 15). so naturally i thought "you havent been in my life at all, who the hell are you to be bossing me around?"
and i told him this.
and he used that same b.s line i here all the time from older snobby ppl.
"you'll do it because im older than you and that makes me incharge".
he'd use the same line whenever i tried giving him advice on something to help him from making a mistake.
he'd be like
"ive been around longer than you i know how to do this".
i show politeness to the elderly. but if respect came down to age alone, i wouldnt respect anyone older than me.
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Get over it and go hide behind some billboard big man :lol What is all this have to do with the subject? How many teens did you take revenge on since the alleged incident?
You really miss a lot when you read dont you. As i stated earlier, I was in no way insulted, nor did i feel put down in any way. I was simply surprised by the some of the language the kid used so i ask what others thought. What does your post have to do with this subject. It was a simple question. What are your thoughts on todays kids and the upcoming generation?
Thanks for your input,
GaTroopr
"Hiding behind a billboard near you"
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well, we at least wont have trouble dealing with each othr... we were all (supposedly) raised this way. its our elders that wont/dont/might not like our attitudes
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Ohh, don;t confuse my feelings towards a few guys with the subject. They have nothing to do with each other. I am curious on the assumption that I did not get hit as a kid though, even after saying I did. Would getting hit as a kid make me like traffic cops some how? Respect is earned or lost. Somehow I lost respect for some people based on their actions.
I did not like the post to begin with. Coming from a person that I have lost respect for did not help his case lol. What exactly is it that you think these guys do that deserves my respect anyway? If you read my posts then you know I am not talking about all cops. Can you tell me what exactly they produce or offer to our society that demands my respect? In any case, it has nothing to do with this thread.
CAP, it is funny how you guys can tell us how to raise our kids but we cant tell you how. I apologize in advance, but if you slap your kid in public in front of me, you just made it my business. They are not property, remember?
See ya all tomorrow and remember, beat up on your kids or they will grow up not respecting traffic cops :old:
Im guess you dont have kids or think about it this way, but what if one of your kids, or your wife was hit by a drunk driver and they were killed. But the State Trooper could've stopped that vehicle, but didnt. How would you feel about it then? Would all cops still be arses? my guess is you would say yes, cops are arses cause they didnt do their job by stopping a drunk driver. But on the other hand, all the Troopers that do stop the drunkies, and you just happen to be one, then you still dont like cops. What about the cops that put people away for robbery or grand theft auto, do you want anyone just helping themselves to your property and the cops not doing anything about it? The State Troopers are there for YOUR safety. Troopers are there to stop that drunk driver from hitting your son/daughter/wife. Troopers are there to help protect your property and are there for your safety. Dont take it out on me for doing my job and you got cuffed and stuffed by one for breaking a law.
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It has always seemed clear to me as a former kid and as a parent. If your a proactive parent, you don't need to hit your kids. As near as I can tell all it does is teach them to hit.
If you reactive parent, then you'll end up having to discipline your kid that way.
It's interesting for me now, raising a 2 year old at 50 after raising three kids starting in my 20s. I know when I'm not on my parent game as Matthew pushes the limits and gets into things he shouldn't. He makes sure that way that I pay attention. If I'm on my game those things don't happen as the limits are set before he has to find them.
Raising kids isn't rocket science, but it does take some investment and effort.
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Im guess you dont have kids or think about it this way, but what if one of your kids, or your wife was hit by a drunk driver and they were killed. But the State Trooper could've stopped that vehicle, but didnt. How would you feel about it then? Would all cops still be arses? my guess is you would say yes, cops are arses cause they didnt do their job by stopping a drunk driver. But on the other hand, all the Troopers that do stop the drunkies, and you just happen to be one, then you still dont like cops. What about the cops that put people away for robbery or grand theft auto, do you want anyone just helping themselves to your property and the cops not doing anything about it? The State Troopers are there for YOUR safety. Troopers are there to stop that drunk driver from hitting your son/daughter/wife. Troopers are there to help protect your property and are there for your safety. Dont take it out on me for doing my job and you got cuffed and stuffed by one for breaking a law.
Heh, and you said I am the one that misses a lot while reading.
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My old man said" If the toe of your favorite work boots don't smell like your kids bellybutton you ain't doing your job as a father right.
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My old man said" If the toe of your favorite work boots don't smell like your kids bellybutton you ain't doing your job as a father right.
That's twisted and sadistic. Switch kids' for wife's and father for husband- see how the courts treat you.
-Penguin
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I was recently playing Combat Arms and i was very rudely informed by a (14) fourteen year old that i was a noob and i should go kill myself due to being to noobish. I replied telling him that he should learn some manners and try getting a job instead of sitting around all day. He informed me that i should be the one getting a job. I replied stating i have a job with the Georgia, Department of Public Safety, State Patrol Division. He informed me that he hopes that i get shot in the line of duty. Whats wrong with kids these days? Im not that old. Im still very young, but old enough to carry a badge and a gun.
What are your thought on todays kids and the upcoming generation?
Kids today clearly suffer from a diet deficiency. It's a case of malnutrition.
The boy would benefit from being fed a steady stream of knuckle sandwiches.
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See Rule #4
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See RUle #4
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See Rule #4
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Penguin, you mistake my intent. My kids will never need such treatment. Rather, I was recommending the boys parents "beat the living guts" out of their execrable progeny.
As for your other question, If I had a living grandparent with Alzheimers and they refused to do my bidding, I'd just remind them, five minutes later, that they'd agreed to do my bidding earlier. They'd never remember their own refusal.
See, stupid people are easy to deal with that way - you just prey on their lack of mental consistency and their suggestibility.
alzhiemers ain't that easy. it took my grandpop. it took a long time.
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alzhiemers ain't that easy. it took my grandpop. it took a long time.
Cap, my condolences. My post was not about Alzheimers. It was about joint dysfunction specific to the knee.
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:lol Do you still think I should have more respect for these guys?
please define, "these guys" that you speak of.
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please define, "these guys" that you speak of.
I may be reaching but I think he's laughing at the knee-jerk and overheated response my rather innocent comment drew. The level of extrapolation was breathtaking. It doesn't take an ornithologist to know a bird-brain.
My only afterthought: not everybody had a crap childhood. Hence, we can still make humor over this. For those who did, sorry, but don't expect the world to view things through your own filter. And that's not aimed at you, BowHtr, but rather the rather humorless and strident member of the speech police prowling this thread.
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This is great. Some teacher about to loose his job over a whining little girl.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110302/ap_on_re_us/us_teacher_table_rattling#mwpphu-container (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110302/ap_on_re_us/us_teacher_table_rattling#mwpphu-container)
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What are your thought on todays kids and the upcoming generation?
iFail.
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iFail.
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see, today if you did that, you would terrify the kid, because its "bad" to be gay.us i would know.us I am
Just trying to get my head around this rather vague post. I'm reading that you use your homosexuality to intimidate people. Novel idea.
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Just trying to get my head around this rather vague post. I'm reading that you use your homosexuality to intimidate people. Novel idea.
novel, yes. what i meant, no. it was in response to a previous post i was unable to find in this neverending thread. no, i do not use my homosexuality to intimidate others. i try not to let that get in the way actually
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novel, yes. what i meant, no. it was in response to a previous post i was unable to find in this neverending thread. no, i do not use my homosexuality to intimidate others. i try not to let that get in the way actually
You're 14, or at least that's what you said in an earlier post. Isn't that a little young to be defining a preference for fish or fowl? I mean, presumably, you've tested your hypothesis - and, in this case, before learning the basics of the scientific method.
Otherwise, don't let my earlier post or the Penguin's ridiculous knee-jerk extrapolation intimidate you. I'm not a big advocate of handing out the beatings (though some kids need to have limits set forcibly for precedent, imj). My wife, otoh, is Japanese and can be quite stern.
Me, I've been in enough cities, countries, universities, etc. that nothing surprises me so you don't need t oedit yourself for me. I just find your age to make you a bit non compes mentes on the question.
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ya'll are funny...all ya'll... :rofl especially the "spanking not allowed bunch"... :lol :rofl :lol :rofl
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ya'll are funny...all ya'll... :rofl especially the "spanking not allowed bunch"... :lol :rofl :lol :rofl
It's classic projection, most likely. The formerly abused see all such as abuse, and, never having seen judicious application, assume such to be impossible.
As a kid, I know I tested my Dad. He made effective use of the "tweak on the cheek" if you follow, and occasionally would break out the cane. ISYN - my grade school principle had a collection of wooden paddles. That used to be common back in the day. He was forced into retirement some time in the 80's.
Kids, boys especially, need to be confronted when they test you. To fail to do so is to send a predator out into the world. Take a look at urban gang culture and you'll see the inevitable consequence.
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ya'll are funny...all ya'll... :rofl especially the "spanking not allowed bunch"... :lol :rofl :lol :rofl
remember when spankings didn't used to be fun? :devil :noid :bolt:
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ive been spanked.
I did something bad, got spanked, and never did that again lol
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It's classic projection, most likely. The formerly abused see all such as abuse, and, never having seen judicious application, assume such to be impossible.
So, according to some of you it is because we did not get spanked. According to others it is because we were abused. What ever the reason is, it is definitely not that hitting kids is wrong. :aok
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I never spank my son, and never will. The judicious application of timeouts and other techniques is so effective that the mere mention of a timeout usually corrects unwanted behavior.
Punishment of any kind has one of three justifications: Reform, Retribution, or Pacification.
Reforming punishment is meant to correct future behavior.
Retribution punishment is meant to discharge a debt owed to a victim, i.e. society, the family, the parent, etc.
Pacification punishment only aims to isolate the guilty and prevent him from causing more harm.
I think it's important to have some idea of our own intention when we punish, to have some idea of why we punish. Different ideas about what punishment is for might lead to different punishments being most appropriate.
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So, according to some of you it is because we did not get spanked. According to others it is because we were abused. What ever the reason is, it is definitely not that hitting kids is wrong. :aok
I think physically abusing kids is wrong but would never say unconditionally that physically punishing a kid is wrong. In some cases, kids can be aggressive and violent. Such conduct needs sharp and rapid correction - and by means that get their immediate attention. I don't think you can say that it's flatly off the table. A smart kid will game such a foolish negotiating position.
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I never spank my son, and never will. The judicious application of timeouts and other techniques is so effective that the mere mention of a timeout usually corrects unwanted behavior.
*example* starts playing with matches because they're fascinating...figures out that there are some things in the garage that make big flames...after the first couple of incidents that averted major disaster and you gave him the appropriate time outs...one of his buddies convinces him to "try it on something else"...shed burns down and almost takes the house with it...
i suppose a time out would put an end to that nonsense... :rolleyes:
*example* obtains a pocket knife (gift or whatever)...learns that it can do some really fun stuff with wood with some parental guidance and rules...fascination with carving wooden objects sets in...determines that it wouldn't hurt anything to carve on a table (any table in the house)...tries it out on the drywall...maybe even some fabric covered furnishings...when confronted about the damage replies "i was bored"...
yup, a time out would put an end to that... :rolleyes:
Punishment of any kind has one of three justifications: Reform, Retribution, or Pacification.
Reforming punishment is meant to correct future behavior.
can be accomplished with equal measure of parental guidance and corporal punishment if the guidance is continually ignored...fear is a powerful tool that can keep an individual from doing something harmful to themselves and/or others...when applied appropriately.
Retribution punishment is meant to discharge a debt owed to a victim, i.e. society, the family, the parent, etc.
no such thing for actual parents...
Pacification punishment only aims to isolate the guilty and prevent him from causing more harm.
see reform punishment...add that unfortunately for many in our society where current "popular lifestyles" that were once shunned are embraced fully, it is necessary to apply larger measure of corporal punishment than would be required for the majority.
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Poke a panda, get ten years in prison,
Poke a kid, nothing happens
-Penguin
Panda poke's you, he goes to the zoo. :D
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*example* starts playing with matches because they're fascinating...figures out that there are some things in the garage that make big flames...after the first couple of incidents that averted major disaster and you gave him the appropriate time outs...one of his buddies convinces him to "try it on something else"...shed burns down and almost takes the house with it...
i suppose a time out would put an end to that nonsense... :rolleyes:
*example* obtains a pocket knife (gift or whatever)...learns that it can do some really fun stuff with wood with some parental guidance and rules...fascination with carving wooden objects sets in...determines that it wouldn't hurt anything to carve on a table (any table in the house)...tries it out on the drywall...maybe even some fabric covered furnishings...when confronted about the damage replies "i was bored"...
yup, a time out would put an end to that... :rolleyes:
can be accomplished with equal measure of parental guidance and corporal punishment if the guidance is continually ignored...fear is a powerful tool that can keep an individual from doing something harmful to themselves and/or others...when applied appropriately.
no such thing for actual parents...
see reform punishment...add that unfortunately for many in our society where current "popular lifestyles" that were once shunned are embraced fully, it is necessary to apply larger measure of corporal punishment than would be required for the majority.
It is just your inability to understand that other methods work better. Your parents parents probably went to the dentist without using any anesthesia. I guess since they did it, it must be the better way and the way that works.
The only difference between other methods of punishment and hitting is that the parent did not have to make the effort to parent and also got revenge.
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I never spank my son, and never will. The judicious application of timeouts and other techniques is so effective that the mere mention of a timeout usually corrects unwanted behavior.
Punishment of any kind has one of three justifications: Reform, Retribution, or Pacification.
Reforming punishment is meant to correct future behavior.
Retribution punishment is meant to discharge a debt owed to a victim, i.e. society, the family, the parent, etc.
Pacification punishment only aims to isolate the guilty and prevent him from causing more harm.
I think it's important to have some idea of our own intention when we punish, to have some idea of why we punish. Different ideas about what punishment is for might lead to different punishments being most appropriate.
Someone should make this post a sticky and on its own thread :aok
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It is just your inability to understand that other methods work better. Your parents parents probably went to the dentist without using any anesthesia. I guess since they did it, it must be the better way and the way that works.
The only difference between other methods of punishment and hitting is that the parent did not have to make the effort to parent and also got revenge.
you are once again, quite wrong...you're one of those 60minutes/48hours is 100% true people aren't you? that's where all this "alternative" parenting started going into full swing out of the hippie communities...because of those 2 shows and the way they stretched the truth about children being physically abused.
i've always been amazed at how people without children managed to convince a large part of the parental population that alternative parenting was the only way to raise children...yet the statistics show that the first generation of those raised under those concepts have more social problems than their parents who were raised with corporal punishment did at the same age...higher crime, higher suicide, higher drug use...look it up, if the studies weren't buried.
when i was a kid...the most dangerous thing on the playground was a pocket knife, and no one pulled one on you for fear of corporal punishment at school and at home...now 12 year olds raised by the "time out" generations are carrying guns and shooting adults...dealing drugs...bullying people live and in person as well as on the web...
now, there is a limit to how corporal punishment should be administered...one rule that few adults know or even understand is "never hit a child when you're angry"...my generation failed to comprehend that rule and now the "here's a cookie 2 minute time out stupid nanny" generation is making it difficult for reasonably sane parents to actually raise their children to be responsible adults.
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when i was a kid...the most dangerous thing on the playground was a pocket knife, and no one pulled one on you for fear of corporal punishment at school and at home...now 12 year olds raised by the "time out" generations are carrying guns and shooting adults...dealing drugs...bullying people live and in person as well as on the web...
:rofl Ahh, I see putting labels on me and trying to fit me in some category some how will help your argument. You can't even see what is wrong with what you wrote up there. You don't pull a knife one someone because of respect towards life. Because it is wrong. etc. In your world, you only don;t do something because you may get punished. So, if no one would find out, it is ok to pull that knife since there wont be any punishment.
That been said, both my girls go to school caring AK47s in their back packs, shooting at adults from their bikes and dealing drugs in their classrooms. Where the hell do you leave? lol. Time to move bud :lol
You guys take one example and apply it to every kid in the world. If your kid needs to be treated like a circus animal in order to know not to pull a knife on someone, YOU have failed as a parent.
Fear does not equal Respect
Respect stays with them for ever. Fear does not.
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:rofl Ahh, I see putting labels on me and trying to fit me in some category some how will help your argument. You can't even see what is wrong with what you wrote up there. You don't pull a knife one someone because of respect towards life. Because it is wrong. etc. In your world, you only don;t do something because you may get punished. So, if no one would find out, it is ok to pull that knife since there wont be any punishment.
reading comprehension problem i see...if the parents didn't teach the kid respect for life...then fear of punishment worked on the playground...get the idea now? i understand this concept is beyond your comprehension but something for you to ponder...the only difference between a law abiding citizen and a criminal is the criminal got caught...fear of punishment prevents a vast portion of the population from committing crimes, not some b.s. religious beliefs, not some societal condemnation, not some misplaced ideology...it's fear...those who denied that fear are either dead or behind bars...that sir is absolute undeniable fact...
You guys take one example and apply it to every kid in the world. If your kid needs to be treated like a circus animal in order to know not to pull a knife on someone, YOU have failed as a parent.
you're doing the exact same thing...you're telling everyone the way you're raising your kids...and it should work for everyone else...wrong.
i want to live on your planet...my kids wouldn't have to worry about getting beaten up on a bus for an ipod or worse...
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reading comprehension problem i see...if the parents didn't teach the kid respect for life...then fear of punishment worked on the playground...get the idea now? i understand this concept is beyond your comprehension but something for you to ponder...the only difference between a law abiding citizen and a criminal is the criminal got caught...fear of punishment prevents a vast portion of the population from committing crimes, not some b.s. religious beliefs, not some societal condemnation, not some misplaced ideology...it's fear...those who denied that fear are either dead or behind bars...that sir is absolute undeniable fact...
Let me get this straight. If it was not for fear, we would all be criminals? The only reason I am not a criminal is because I never got caught? Caught doing what? I was kidding earlier, but now seriously where are you from?
you're doing the exact same thing...you're telling everyone the way you're raising your kids...and it should work for everyone else...wrong.
i want to live on your planet...my kids wouldn't have to worry about getting beaten up on a bus for an ipod or worse...
Heh, nice but you wont find any sympathy here for that. If that is a problem for your kids and you have not done anything to fix it and take them away from that environment, you have failed. If you knew you were going to bring kids into that environment there is a list of things I can call you but I will stick with irresponsible for now. I have worked my butt off to make sure my kids will not have to worry about getting beat up on a bus or have knives pulled on a play ground. You can sit there call me names and tell me how to raise my kids while you are exposing your ids to those conditions?
Really, spend more time figuring out how to get your kids out of that environment. They did not ask you to have them so since you did have them, you have the responsibility to provide the best for them.
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Let me get this straight. If it was not for fear, we would all be criminals? The only reason I am not a criminal is because I never got caught? Caught doing what? I was kidding earlier, but now seriously where are you from?
you really should take a look at how much of a "law abiding citizen" you truly are...i'm sure you will surprise yourself...
Heh, nice but you wont find any sympathy here for that. If that is a problem for your kids and you have not done anything to fix it and take them away from that environment, you have failed. If you knew you were going to bring kids into that environment there is a list of things I can call you but I will stick with irresponsible for now. I have worked my butt off to make sure my kids will not have to worry about getting beat up on a bus or have knives pulled on a play ground. You can sit there call me names and tell me how to raise my kids while you are exposing your ids to those conditions?
Really, spend more time figuring out how to get your kids out of that environment. They did not ask you to have them so since you did have them, you have the responsibility to provide the best for them.
i don't live in the slums, it's middle class...but that doesn't mean the other people in the area have kids that respect anything...so your solution is to take my kids from their home, where they have friends and family...where my career keeps them living in relative comfort...just because other people can't control their kids? or should i take matters into my own hands and control other peoples kids for them?
see, now i know you do not live in the real world...you live somewhere many people cannot even if they wanted to...it's out of touch with the rest of the world and now you're trying to tell the rest of us how to defeat the society around us and it's influences without having any experience with it yourself...that's like moving to a different country and trying to change their culture because it doesn't fit your ideology.
i'm sorry man but, you have no business judging other people by the way they raise their kids...or telling them how
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Kid needs a spanking. Zero respect to authority / grown ups and you see the results.
+1 and so do most parents these days....its always someone elses fault.
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you really should take a look at how much of a "law abiding citizen" you truly are...i'm sure you will surprise yourself...
i'm sorry man but, you have no business judging other people by the way they raise their kids...or telling them how
Lol, are you kidding? There will not be a surprise at all :rofl
i don't live in the slums, it's middle class...but that doesn't mean the other people in the area have kids that respect anything...so your solution is to take my kids from their home, where they have friends and family...where my career keeps them living in relative comfort...just because other people can't control their kids? or should i take matters into my own hands and control other peoples kids for them?
see, now i know you do not live in the real world...you live somewhere many people cannot even if they wanted to...it's out of touch with the rest of the world and now you're trying to tell the rest of us how to defeat the society around us and it's influences without having any experience with it yourself...that's like moving to a different country and trying to change their culture because it doesn't fit your ideology.
i'm sorry man but, you have no business judging other people by the way they raise their kids...or telling them how
:lol First of all, this is a thread about all of todays kids. That includes mine so it kind of made it my business. Then you put some labels on me and telling me how I should raise my kids. But I have no business telling you how to raise yours? No business judging people? That is what we do all day long. You judged me based on my post on hitting kids, my attitude towards the traffic cops, your assumptions on where and how a leave, but I can't judge you? I leave in a middle class neighborhood too but there are no knives or fights on the bus. Only kids running around playing. You can say what you wish, but if my kids were in danger every single day I would have moved. Sometimes you only have to go a few miles away so don't give me the BS about your work. You can drive to your career. An extra 10 minutes will not kill you but it may keep your kids safe.
At the age of 41 I have seen enough to know where the stuff you describe happens. So, BS all you want about career and friends. I used to drive for an hour and half to mine. Now its 20 minutes, but if needed I would do 2 or 3 hours if I knew the little ones were safe.
You seem to think that somehow I leave a privileged life and therefore I should not have an opinion about the real world? Even if that were true, I assure you trailer parks are not the real world either.
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so you're telling me you have never cut someone off in traffic because you were in a hurry and they weren't...never gone even 1 mile per hour over the speed limit...never blew through a yellow traffic signal on purpose...never even taken a pen from the office...never done drugs??? you're a saint...and the reason you have never broken the law, even a misdemeanor?
you honestly think the dirtbags come from lower class ghetto neighborhoods and trailer parks? try a predominantly white small town in iowa that suddenly found itself neck deep in asian gang bangers that came out of the upper class neighborhoods...happened in a new orleans suburb as well...and the trailer parks i've been familiar with had the most well behaved children i have ever come in contact with...and they weren't dirty little low iq abused kids, just victims of economic pressure whose parents were doing the best they could.
i applaud you for the way you're looking out for your children...and obviously you're not one of those parents who is irresponsible or abusive...it's too bad the rest of our society isn't like that...again we don't all have the luxury to do what you do...and i've known some very good parents (at least on the surface) that raised their children with the same values...who saw their children end up behind bars...and i've seen many kids who were raised with corporal punishment turn out to be very responsible productive young adults...in going to college and/or working.
this whole conversation started from one little example of parents who don't pay attention to what their kid does and the op happened to come into contact with that kid...some say the kid needs more spankings...others condemn the people who say that...none of us knows what that kids parents are like...could be like you or could be ghetto rats...the one thing for sure is that the kid needs some discipline regardless of how it's administered.
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so you're telling me you have never cut someone off in traffic because you were in a hurry and they weren't...never gone even 1 mile per hour over the speed limit...never blew through a yellow traffic signal on purpose...never even taken a pen from the office...never done drugs??? you're a saint...and the reason you have never broken the law, even a misdemeanor?
I'll admit, I am getting tired of this meaningless conversation.
Not every one has done drugs. I know, it may be hard for you to believe. How come your beatings did not stop you from doing so?
As far as cutting anyone off or going over the speed limit the answer is yes. Cutting off by accident but over the limit by choice. Same for yellow signals. Those my friend are traffic violations not misdemeanors. You are not a criminal by doing the above. If you ask me, you are back pedaling now because that is not what you meant by criminals. Whats next? Parking tickets?
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i'm somewhat surprised that this, and the other kids thread haven't been locked yet........
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So, according to some of you it is because we did not get spanked. According to others it is because we were abused. What ever the reason is, it is definitely not that hitting kids is wrong. :aok
No. my response was to Penguin's wild extrapolation. I made a joke. From this, he/she was somehow able to deduce that I would both mercilessly beat a child and bully a senior citizen. I wonder if he can read my bones, too? In any case, I like to let the punishment fit the crime (socratic wisdom, that) and so responded with my own extrapolation. I suppose you too can get in the extrapolation game and assume that since I shot it at la penguina, it was also aimed at you - but I'd recommend against it.
As for the rest of the back-and-forth b/w you and Gyrene, I see some virtue in both methods. I think that children are, and I'll use the phrase again, defined to be non compes mentes for a good reason, to wit, they are not fully capable of making good decisions. Thus, you cannot expect to be able to walk them through a line of reason as you would SOME adults (many adults you cannot as well, for other reasons). You may have to create more immediate and visible repercussions to enable a better decision-making process. This assumes that your own aspect is less limited than the child's. That said, odds are, you can accomplish this without playing the force card. However, in some cases it may be necessary to inflict some level of pain to capture their attention.
I honestly think your total prohibition is not only going to be misperceived by the child but is also a mentally lazy means of navigating the judgment process critical to parenting. That said I think every kid is different. Some don't respond to that type of correction anyway. I've seen this even in dogs, as an example. Some are sensitive to the spray bottle, others are not. There are at least two little girls who do not responds to spanking and never will (so why try? It just teaches 'em you're soft at that point), and one good little boy who barely had to be tapped and caught a clue. None need habitual correction now, since the proper tool was applied at the correct and criticial point of test. Discerning that, though, is each parent's job.
You and Gyrene don't know each other's kids or methods in full, but I'd guess that just the fact that you're involved is a good sign. Therefore, you should both probably just quit the pointless arg, at least until you've switched families for a while.
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I'll admit, I am getting tired of this meaningless conversation.
Not every one has done drugs. I know, it may be hard for you to believe. How come your beatings did not stop you from doing so?
As far as cutting anyone off or going over the speed limit the answer is yes. Cutting off by accident but over the limit by choice. Same for yellow signals. Those my friend are traffic violations not misdemeanors. You are not a criminal by doing the above. If you ask me, you are back pedaling now because that is not what you meant by criminals. Whats next? Parking tickets?
i'm not backpedaling anything...you sir are out of touch with reality...traffic violations, regardless of your point of view are violations of written law and though most are not subject to criminal prosecution they are subject to penalties the same as any laws...speeding and, blowing through traffic risk the health and safety of other people on the road...doing something in violation of traffic laws and cause injury or loss of life due to your actions and you can be prosecuted under criminal law...but then you wouldn't think about stuff like that as you speed around on the road you own in your utopian world, because you're by george better than the neanderthals that spank their kids... :aok
i don't suppose you ever asked yourself why a child will attempt to touch the top of the stove even after being told "no no" numerous times...and why it only takes one instance of touching a hot pot or burner for that child to not want to touch it again...it's fear of experiencing the pain again...it's the same for every other "no no" a child is taught growing up...either fear from the experience or fear of the punishment...now read this carefully, i am not saying parents should use fear of physical harm to raise their children but they should fear the punishment for disobedience regardless of how it is administered...and please don't tell me you don't use fear to discipline your children...it may not be physical but your psychological punishments induce fear just as much as a spanking, be grateful your kids are such that they don't require more firm disciplinary actions.
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Ideas about correct parenting have been in flux since the beginning of civilization. There is no such thing as the good ol' days when children were smacked or spanked for disrespect and it turned them all into upstanding citizens. Likewise, progressive fads about how to raise children have equally failed to reform rebellious youth who damage property and cause mayhem. That good parents can have a bad offspring was first observed at least 2500 years ago, and it's still the same today. We do our best to instill our children with the right values, teach them to be fair and respect property, and in the end they are still unique individuals from the moment they are born.
For now my parental authority is self-justifying. I'm the dad. But as my son grows and he understands more, I would like him to understand my positions in terms of our family's values and his own rational self-interest. I don't believe in authority that comes from the barrel of a gun, and I don't believe in authority that comes from the threat of physical punishment against someone who is smaller and weaker than I am.
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Ideas about correct parenting have been in flux since the beginning of civilization. There is no such thing as the good ol' days when children were smacked or spanked for disrespect and it turned them all into upstanding citizens. Likewise, progressive fads about how to raise children have equally failed to reform rebellious youth who damage property and cause mayhem. That good parents can have a bad offspring was first observed at least 2500 years ago, and it's still the same today. We do our best to instill our children with the right values, teach them to be fair and respect property, and in the end they are still unique individuals from the moment they are born.
For now my parental authority is self-justifying. I'm the dad. But as my son grows and he understands more, I would like him to understand my positions in terms of our family's values and his own rational self-interest. I don't believe in authority that comes from the barrel of a gun, and I don't believe in authority that comes from the threat of physical punishment against someone who is smaller and weaker than I am.
:aok agree 110%
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What does he mean.."you people"? :rofl
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lol too much reading
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i'm somewhat surprised that this, and the other kids thread haven't been locked yet........
Isn't life beautiful? So many surprises everywhere? Would you be any less surprised if thread is locked after you spammed it with your AvA adds? :devil
It's decent discussion by O'Club standards...
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It's decent discussion by O'Club standards...
That's almost always a natural consequence of my input.
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Isn't life beautiful? So many surprises everywhere? Would you be any less surprised if thread is locked after you spammed it with your AvA adds? :devil
It's decent discussion by O'Club standards...
I don't think i've quite reached the point of spamming........yet.
BTW..... FLY AvA!! :aok
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i'm not backpedaling anything...you sir are out of touch with reality...traffic violations, regardless of your point of view are violations of written law and though most are not subject to criminal prosecution they are subject to penalties the same as any laws...speeding and, blowing through traffic risk the health and safety of other people on the road...doing something in violation of traffic laws and cause injury or loss of life due to your actions and you can be prosecuted under criminal law...but then you wouldn't think about stuff like that as you speed around on the road you own in your utopian world, because you're by george better than the neanderthals that spank their kids... :aok
i don't suppose you ever asked yourself why a child will attempt to touch the top of the stove even after being told "no no" numerous times...and why it only takes one instance of touching a hot pot or burner for that child to not want to touch it again...it's fear of experiencing the pain again...it's the same for every other "no no" a child is taught growing up...either fear from the experience or fear of the punishment...now read this carefully, i am not saying parents should use fear of physical harm to raise their children but they should fear the punishment for disobedience regardless of how it is administered...and please don't tell me you don't use fear to discipline your children...it may not be physical but your psychological punishments induce fear just as much as a spanking, be grateful your kids are such that they don't require more firm disciplinary actions.
I apologize. I am a criminal, you are right. You asked if I had ever done any of those things. I said yes and you immediately assumed that it is all I do. By your reasoning, I should assume that you are beating your kids up every day while you are on drugs right after they returned home from a gun fight at the park.
If you want to have a discussion give it a try. Otherwise, I ll start quoting Jeff Foxworthy.
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I apologize. I am a criminal, you are right. You asked if I had ever done any of those things. I said yes and you immediately assumed that it is all I do. By your reasoning, I should assume that you are beating your kids up every day while you are on drugs right after they returned home from a gun fight at the park.
If you want to have a discussion give it a try. Otherwise, I ll start quoting Jeff Foxworthy.
i'm sorry, by all appearances you do seem to have a selective reading comprehension issue...if that's what you need to feel validated, i'm not going to attempt any further discussion with you since it's very obvious i could say blah blah and you would read it as yipee...typical of certain types of self righteous individuals.
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i'm sorry, by all appearances you do seem to have a selective reading comprehension issue...if that's what you need to feel validated, i'm not going to attempt any further discussion with you since it's very obvious i could say blah blah and you would read it as yipee...typical of certain types of self righteous individuals.
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you are once again, quite wrong...you're one of those 60minutes/48hours is 100% true people aren't you? that's where all this "alternative" parenting started going into full swing out of the hippie communities...because of those 2 shows and the way they stretched the truth about children being physically abused.
i've always been amazed at how people without children managed to convince a large part of the parental population that alternative parenting was the only way to raise children...yet the statistics show that the first generation of those raised under those concepts have more social problems than their parents who were raised with corporal punishment did at the same age...higher crime, higher suicide, higher drug use...look it up, if the studies weren't buried.
when i was a kid...the most dangerous thing on the playground was a pocket knife, and no one pulled one on you for fear of corporal punishment at school and at home...now 12 year olds raised by the "time out" generations are carrying guns and shooting adults...dealing drugs...bullying people live and in person as well as on the web...
now, there is a limit to how corporal punishment should be administered...one rule that few adults know or even understand is "never hit a child when you're angry"...my generation failed to comprehend that rule and now the "here's a cookie 2 minute time out stupid nanny" generation is making it difficult for reasonably sane parents to actually raise their children to be responsible adults.
Balderdash.
My father grew up during "the good old days", and corporal punishment didn't stop the kids in his school from becoming vegetables from fighting with baseball bats, shooting each other's heads off with shotguns, or doing a myriad of hard drugs. It's the environment, not punishment which creates 'bad company'.
However, punishment can influence it heavily. If you beat your kids, they will learn that it is alright to beat those weaker than they are. You don't know who that is going to be- the old lady who gets in his/her way, the annoying brat down the street, etc. The problem is that the teenage brain recognizes bad choices, but only recognizes the good consequences (hint: it's why 18-19 year old boys love to drive fast and hump anything that moves). You are essentially creating a Terminator, and unleashing it on the world at large.
-Penguin
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you're trying too hard....you had better bait earlier in the thread........
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I'm not trying to bait, this is my honest opinion! Dang, I guess I'm just abrasive, :headscratch:
-Penguin
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I'm not trying to bait, this is my honest opinion! Dang, I guess I'm just abrasive, :headscratch:
-Penguin
No but your naivity shows
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A large population of people just say what they want to on console games and what not. It's not just kids.
Sorry if I'm copying someone with the same comment, I only read page 1,6-12.
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A large population of people just say what they want to on console games and what not. It's not just kids.
Sorry if I'm copying someone with the same comment, I only read page 1,6-12.
you're right.
people think that because you're on another computer, that they are safe to say things they'd not say to your face.
they should use caution with this though, as some are very close. me....i happen to work not 6 minutes from at least 2 members of our community. and within an hour or so of half a dozen others,.,,,,,,,,
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and ones on his way around to stuff you in your own letterbox.
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and ones on his way around to stuff you in your own letterbox.
:rofl :rofl
i've never said anything to get that done.........i have met one player. just had lunch at my shop with him the other day. it was great, as it made the second half of the day go by quick.
he could confirm....pretty much anything/everything i say on these boards, i can/do say in rl. i don't put up a facade.
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I however CAP do put on a Facade. Several ones in fact, the funny thing is the real me is on Aces High 2 and at JROTC, and the false or second me is at School and Every Day life.
Its odd isnt it.
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I however CAP do put on a Facade. Several ones in fact, the funny thing is the real me is on Aces High 2 and at JROTC, and the false or second me is at School and Every Day life.
Its odd isnt it.
i used to try to put out a "fake" me when i was in school. it was more of a pain in the bellybutton than it was worth......so i just started being me, regardless of what people thought.
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There is an incredible book that anyone who is really interested in this subject should read. It is by Ruby Pain title "Framework for understanding poverty."
I am one of those right-wingers, I've been involved in lobbying, etc for almost two decades. Military background and old school to the point of keeping my military haircut even now. I am not a touchy feely person given to emotional outbursts. If you have seen the commercial with F Lee Armey where he playing a therapist and screams at the woos about being a "jackwagon"...that's my inclination.
This book explains why students act the way they do in very frank terms. What we have seen over the past many decades is a complete breakdown of social structures used to pass along key aspects of human interaction. I won't go any further but now working with charter schools within the inner cities of the South, this book explains what I see on a daily basis.
This 14-year old suffers from a poverty pattern. It is the parents fault though even the parents are going to struggle to deal with it. It's like some ancient secret that was lost for many families and ultimately they don't know what they don't know.
Boo