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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: caldera on April 04, 2013, 03:35:54 PM
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And rejoice at the skillz of ArchieD, killing FrauB 139 times without a single loss. :banana:
After noting ArchieD was 71/3 in the 109-E4 last tour, I knew he was a dominating player. But why did he have to pick on FrauB so much. :(
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And rejoice at the skillz of ArchieD, killing FrauB 139 times without a single loss. :banana:
That wasn't limited to LW only... But this matter has already been taken care of. :)
Unfortunately the stats & score still survived...
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I guess people would rather take short cuts to get perks instead of taking the time to improve their skills and earn them the legitimate way.
ack-ack
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I feel sorry for the poor bugger who augered in an entirely artificial environment and gave FrauB that kill.
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have perks, will sell
(also, un-perk spit 14)
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Only if you perk the Spit16. :noid
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Who needs perks?
95% of my flying here is unaffected by perks or eny.
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He should have made a somewhat lame and poorly constructed Youtube video about it! :x
Darn.
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I thought it read "Poor FrauD"
Oh...
Wait a minute...
:noid
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Good catch OP. Btw your avatar is much more interesting than these statistics
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:huh :huh :huh :huh I missed your avatar to ! :banana: :banana: :banana: :cheers: :cheers: :banana: :banana: :cheers: :cheers: :banana: :banana: :cheers: :cheers:
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I thought it read "Poor FrauD"
Oh...
Wait a minute...
:noid
:rofl :rofl :rofl
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Quite a few people have picked up on this, and Archie I'm sure has had the PM's about it
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have perks, will sell
(also, un-perk spit 14)
As is, I agree, it's barely worth a perk price, maybe a cost of 2. With a better gun package or octane fuel, it could be a real beast.
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As is, I agree, it's barely worth a perk price, maybe a cost of 2. With a better gun package or octane fuel, it could be a real beast.
It is a real beast.
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It is a real beast.
So is the K4, but only one is perked.
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You people really need to find a life and quit concerning yourselves with looking up everyone's kills/deaths. It's their $15 (or $30) let them do as they wish. It shouldn't have any effect on you. Remember it's only a game.
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You people really need to find a life and quit concerning yourselves with looking up everyone's kills/deaths. It's their $15 (or $30) let them do as they wish. It shouldn't have any effect on you. Remember it's only a game.
You are wrong on so many levels...
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You are wrong on so many levels...
Really? Has this had any effect on your life at all? If yes you should probably log off and get out more.
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You people really need to find a life and quit concerning yourselves with looking up everyone's kills/deaths. It's their $15 (or $30) let them do as they wish. It shouldn't have any effect on you. Remember it's only a game.
The fact that someone cheats on a video game is pretty lame. It doesn't keep me up at nights, but its still lame.
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Really? Has this had any effect on your life at all? If yes you should probably log off and get out more.
So I should approve of anything not impacting "my life" in a huge way? Interesting concept...
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So I should approve of anything not impacting "my life" in a huge way? Interesting concept...
Nice way to not answer how this effects you and instead make a broad generalization that attempts to take my point way out of context
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Nice way to not answer how this effects you and instead make a broad generalization that attempts to take my point way out of context
Oh, the irony :)
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Oh, the irony :)
So are you gonna tell me how this effects you or not? I'm guessing not.
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Really? Has this had any effect on your life at all? If yes you should probably log off and get out more.
Since you're the only one here who has to ask Lusche that question, and your insulting his generous services to this community, sod.
Nice way to not answer how this effects you and instead make a broad generalization that attempts to take my point way out of context
So are you gonna tell me how this effects you or not? I'm guessing not.
You're an idiot, please do visit our forums more often and not just when you have gas.
Thank you for your generosity again Lusche at compiling the 2012 statistics for Aces High.
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*sigh* no, in retrospect just forget it, arguing with idiots ain't something I have time for
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These are the same guys who auger 262s on their first attack run, hit trees at the end of the runway in 29s, and drive tigers into an ambush...then we point at them and laugh. I think its funny.
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Since you're the only one here who has to ask Lusche that question, and your insulting his generous services to this community, sod.
You're an idiot, please do visit our forums more often and not just when you have gas.
Thank you for your generosity again Lusche at compiling the 2012 statistics for Aces High.
wow name calling already. So because Lusche has no life and wastes his time compiling stats for folks like you to look at and this may skew the results by half a percentage, we need to worry about how other people play the game to make sure these make believe stats from a game are as accurate as possible? Am I getting this right? Can one of you actually answer a question? Or, can someone point me to published rules of this game and perhaps the actual rule that was broken that would warrant such a post in the first place? How does this effect anyone? Seriously?
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wow name calling already. So because Lusche has no life and wastes his time compiling stats for folks like you to look at and this may skew the results by half a percentage, we need to worry about how other people play the game to make sure these make believe stats from a game are as accurate as possible? Am I getting this right? Can one of you actually answer a question? Or, can someone point me to published rules of this game and perhaps the actual rule that was broken that would warrant such a post in the first place? How does this effect anyone? Seriously?
While it doesn't impact anyone's life, it can have an impact on the game play and the fair play that goes along with playing these types of games.
ack-ack
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While it doesn't impact anyone's life, it can have an impact on the game play and the fair play that goes along with playing these types of games.
ack-ack
Thank you for an actual response Ack Ack. :salute
Isn't this game a basic free-for-all and thus game play is subjective? People are worrying way to much about what others do in game. While it is annoying when people don't play your (not you personally ack-ack, general statement) way, it doesn't mean your way is right or wrong as it is your $15 and you are free to do as you wish just as this person is doing. So what if he is perk farming? As Buckshot stated this person will lose these perks much faster than they gained them anyway, even shooting themselves or a friend down multiple times. No harm done to anyone and these witch hunts are just plain silly.
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If this game is a free for all and you're free to do as you wish with your $15 then why does HT erase the perks and the stats when they catch someone doing this?
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If this game is a free for all and you're free to do as you wish with your $15 then why does HT erase the perks and the stats when they catch someone doing this?
If this is true and Htc does infact remove the perks and the stats then that further makes my point as then this wouldn't even effect lusche's stats. So they wasted their time and it still effected no one other than themselves.
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wow name calling already. So because Lusche has no life and wastes his time compiling stats for folks like you to look at and this may skew the results by half a percentage, we need to worry about how other people play the game to make sure these make believe stats from a game are as accurate as possible? Am I getting this right? Can one of you actually answer a question? Or, can someone point me to published rules of this game and perhaps the actual rule that was broken that would warrant such a post in the first place? How does this effect anyone? Seriously?
You're the one walking in here with a point to proove right and labeling people names without any justification. If you had the balls to do this in person I would of decked you for being suck a sod for no reason to a friend and skipped wasting a breath on you if it makes you feel better. :rofl :lol :ahand
Still insulting him because you can't be wrong, huh? What if he does have a life, but spends an alotment of his free time, out of personal enjoyment, compiling stats instead of trolling boards or shooting down cartoon airplanes to feel +1 over the first person you happen cross paths with online?
He likes numbers, numbers bring enjoyment to him. Ontop of this, he brings to the community insight and statistics not available openly from HTCs and the scores and stats page, so many includign myself value this insight and knowledge he controbiutes to our community. We may not share his passion, but we have embraced it.
What have you done thats constructive today? Bewittle a beloved community member because, yes, you're wrong and so is cheating? I bet you're the type fo guy who has no problem with an asterisks in MLB, too.
Sorry you chose ack-ack as the first person in this thread, after many others, to listen to about telling you cheating is wrong, but at least you're coming around to admiting it instead of continueing to insult Lusche.
If you still need to feel better, try reading the forum rules and tell me where it says its ok here to assume and label someone names and insults.
If this is true and Htc does infact remove the perks and the stats then that further makes my point as then this wouldn't even effect lusche's stats. So they wasted their time and it still effected no one other than themselves.
You really hate being wrong, huh?
Yes, they do, because cheating is wrong, and when found and proven - measures taken.
Now you're insulting HTC because they do with their time and resources what they see fit? What was your arguement here, again!? :rofl :ahand
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Thank you for an actual response Ack Ack. :salute
Isn't this game a basic free-for-all and thus game play is subjective? People are worrying way to much about what others do in game. While it is annoying when people don't play your (not you personally ack-ack, general statement) way, it doesn't mean your way is right or wrong as it is your $15 and you are free to do as you wish just as this person is doing. So what if he is perk farming? As Buckshot stated this person will lose these perks much faster than they gained them anyway, even shooting themselves or a friend down multiple times. No harm done to anyone and these witch hunts are just plain silly.
Oh, the irony +3. You seem to be posting quite a bit, concerning yourself in other's affairs.
Are you a friend of ArchieD, perchance?
I was only offering a subtle tribute thread for his mastery of the 109-E4.
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You're the one walking in here with a point to proove right and labeling people names without any justification. If you had the balls to do this in person I would of decked you for being suck a sod for no reason to a friend and skipped wasting a breath on you if it makes you feel better. :rofl :lol :ahand You wouldn't do a damn thing in real life keyboard tough guy
Still insulting him because you can't be wrong, huh? What if he does have a life, but spends an alotment of his free time, out of personal enjoyment, compiling stats instead of trolling boards or shooting down cartoon airplanes to feel +1 over the first person you happen cross paths with online? You are right, I should not have said he has no life. I should have used something like "too much time on his hands".
He likes numbers, numbers bring enjoyment to him. Ontop of this, he brings to the community insight and statistics not available openly from HTCs and the scores and stats page, so many includign myself value this insight and knowledge he controbiutes to our community. We may not share his passion, but we have embraced it.
What have you done thats constructive today? Bewittle a beloved community member because, yes, you're wrong and so is cheating? Can you show me where I bewittled Lusche in his failing to directly answer a question? Could you also tell me what bewittled means. I bet you're the type fo guy who has no problem with an asterisks in MLB, too An asterisk in baseball has zero effect on my life. I do not look up to sports players nor do I choose them as role models.
Sorry you chose ack-ack as the first person in this thread, after many others, to listen to about telling you cheating is wrong, but at least you're coming around to admiting it instead of continueing to insult Lusche . Ack Ack said more than cheating is wrong, he stated it brings in an unwanted style of gameplay
If you still need to feel better, try reading the forum rules and tell me where it says its ok here to assume and label someone names and insults. You mean like when you called me in idiot and tried to threaten me behind a keyboard 3000 miles away?
You really hate being wrong, huh? Not at all. I'm man enough to admit when I am wrong
Yes, they do, because cheating is wrong, and when found and proven - measures taken. Again please show me the rules to this game that state this behavior is considered cheating
Now you're insulting HTC because they do with their time and resources what they see fit? What was your arguement here, again!? :rofl :ahand I'm not sure where you are getting this? How did I insult HTC? You should probably work on your reading comprehension a little more. When I said "they wasted their time and still effected no one other than themselves" I was referring to the cartoon pilot in question, not HTC
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Oh, the irony +3. You seem to be posting quite a bit, concerning yourself in other's affairs.
Are you a friend of ArchieD, perchance?
I was only offering a subtle tribute thread for his mastery of the 109-E4.
I'll bet you looked up my stats didn't you :rofl Please post your findings. :rofl The irony is you concerning yourself with ArchieD's affairs.
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I'll bet you looked up my stats didn't you :rofl Please post your findings. :rofl The irony is you concerning yourself with ArchieD's affairs.
Not quite. Irony is you doing exactly what you are complaining about in this thread. Another irony is that you apparently don't know what irony is.
And don't flatter yourself regarding looking up your stats. Your buddy ArchieD's aerial genius was only discovered by looking up the stats for the 109-E4. Upon seeing his magical 71-3 record in it, it was important to celebrate that with the community.
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For me, it has nothing to do with scores/stats. I just prefer to hang around people with a little class and honor, yes even in a cartoon plane game. Those that bend the rules and "game the game" are classless in my book and not worthy of my time. But hey, thats just me.
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I wish HTC banned these twits like they used to.
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Not to break up the purse fight or anything but most of those kills were against a Spit XVI. I've been telling you guys for years they really aren't that great of planes. This is proof!
And if anyone ever asks to get XVI's perked again I'm posting Archie's stats.
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I remember him from the DA a while back. Guess the shoe size I guessed him for was correct and it fit.
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Pewter bro,
I too like the Devils advocate position every once in a while, but score/perk fixing in this silly game of ours is lameness of the highest order. Moral relativism need not apply here. Shade Vulching should elicit a laughing, finger pointing response. After all, what other policing power does the community have against this sort of bad behavior?
You do agree it's bad don't you?
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I am with silver who cares?
I do not care if people game the game. Also I couldn't and wouldn't be bothered to look up someones stats.
So many people who claim only to care about the fight always seem to find their way into these thread. If you care only about the fight stats would not matter to you.
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I am with silver who cares?
I do not care if people game the game. Also I couldn't and wouldn't be bothered to look up someones stats.
So many people who claim only to care about the fight always seem to find their way into these thread. If you care only about the fight stats would not matter to you.
Have you ever created a seperate account for the express purpose of shooting it down?
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I am with silver who cares?
I do not care if people game the game.
Then the two of you are part of what's wrong with the world today.
Just saying.
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Have you ever created a seperate account for the express purpose of shooting it down?
It would not surprise me one bit, that such a thought has crossed every single individual player, who has ever played this game and who has ever made a post on these boards........ regardless if they ever followed through with it or not!
but it is this community's duty to nip this crap in the bud, when any of us see other individuals doing such things, and it is this community's duty to report such actions to HTC......
That is why the "AH Community" exists........ to help each of us have good game playing etiquette
nuff said!
TC
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Then the two of you are part of what's wrong with the world today.
Just saying.
How so? They choose not to get their panties in a wad over a game? Im sure on Pewters list of priorities, this doesnt rank that high......heck it isnt even a blip on my map.
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.....heck it isnt even a blip on my map.
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(https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/3565830144/hB1B89BDC/)
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denial is the first stage....or is it the second? i forget....beer before booze ur gunna loose :headscratch:
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Pewter bro,
I too like the Devils advocate position every once in a while, but score/perk fixing in this silly game of ours is lameness of the highest order. Moral relativism need not apply here. Shade Vulching should elicit a laughing, finger pointing response. After all, what other policing power does the community have against this sort of bad behavior?
You do agree it's bad don't you?
Sure it is lame, but does it really effect anyone at all? Seriously, how did archieD effect you Triton? or Caldera? or anyone? So he spends $15 (or $30) to shoot himself or a friend down, so what. Chances are when he goes to an actual fight he is quickly disposed of. I find the fact that people are taking time to look up other peoples scores and stats way more lame than shade vulching. So ArchieD may show a high score at the end of the tour, does that really mean anything to anyone? You guys don't really sit back at the end of the month and high five your mirror if you made it in the top 10 do you? Maybe I am missing something.
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It would not surprise me one bit, that such a thought has crossed every single individual player, who has ever played this game and who has ever made a post on these boards........ regardless if they ever followed through with it or not!
but it is this community's duty to nip this crap in the bud, when any of us see other individuals doing such things, and it is this community's duty to report such actions to HTC......
That is why the "AH Community" exists........ to help each of us have good game playing etiquette
nuff said!
TC
never crossed my mind... really... ever... :headscratch:
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It would not surprise me one bit, that such a thought has crossed every single individual player, who has ever played this game and who has ever made a post on these boards........ regardless if they ever followed through with it or not!
but it is this community's duty to nip this crap in the bud, when any of us see other individuals doing such things, and it is this community's duty to report such actions to HTC......
That is why the "AH Community" exists........ to help each of us have good game playing etiquette
nuff said!
TC
Not one time ever...this thought has never crossed my mind. There are very few things in this world I could think less about...cheating.
Cheating allows one certainty...."you'll never, ever, ever really know how good you are". Good, ok or just plain bad, at least in knowing, you can relax and have fun...and that is for this game, golf, baseball, football, whatever.
But cheating is for complete candyazzes that can't handle the truth about their suckage or their greatness...either way, they'll never be a leader cuz leaders smack you around with the "rule book" after they smack you around in the game. :lol :aok
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maybe somebody should check ALL the stats. it seems DMBUSEY killed rockafir 24 times in a row(1 sortie) while flying an a6m the other day. i wonder if anybody noticed. check stats
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I posted that while I could barely keep from falling asleep
Notice: I posted that "it would not surprise me" .... if such a thout or that such a thought has probably crossed most everyones minds before... I was not saying everyone has done such a stupified thing like this.... Just saying most have pondered about the subject in some type of thought...
Now, since only the minority of us read the boards, I will admit I should have kept it to those who login to the game only.... Perhaps ya'll read into my post too much... Much more than what was actually there :devil
Cheers
TC
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surely this frau-b was a noob player and was takin advantage of
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How so? They choose not to get their panties in a wad over a game? Im sure on Pewters list of priorities, this doesnt rank that high......heck it isnt even a blip on my map.
So where do you draw that line of class and honor? For me class and honor is something I try to use in everything I do everyday. I don't pick and choose which things deserve it or not, but thats the way I am. I try to treat everyone with class and honor until they prove they no longer deserve it, yes even in a game. When dealing with other people I don't have certain standards for those I meet face to face, or on line.
In this game you are "dealing" with other people even though they may be a world away, they are still "people" behind those computer screens. Whats wrong with expecting a bit of class and honor from them?
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Silver. I think it is simple. Whether you want to or not everything everyone does here affects the game play. You can choose to make it better or worse by your actions. Vulching a shade contributes negatively at best. This community polices itself. I'm glad when someone breaking the rules is caught and called out publically. Sometimes the community gets it wrong and apologies ensue.
I happen to like playing this game very much. I want to spend my time playing and recommending this place to others who may also enjoy it. I want to be proud of the game too.
If poor sportsmanship is not called out then others may see it as acceptable and play that way also, encouraging the next group to also play poorly. This type of action can then take a life of its on with the momentum swinging to the negative side of gameplay.
If you do not care how someone plays, then why do you care if we do ?
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Sure it is lame, but does it really effect anyone at all? Seriously, how did archieD effect you Triton? or Caldera? or anyone? So he spends $15 (or $30) to shoot himself or a friend down, so what. Chances are when he goes to an actual fight he is quickly disposed of. I find the fact that people are taking time to look up other peoples scores and stats way more lame than shade vulching. So ArchieD may show a high score at the end of the tour, does that really mean anything to anyone? You guys don't really sit back at the end of the month and high five your mirror if you made it in the top 10 do you? Maybe I am missing something.
I don't think I have to be emotionally effected by something to both form an opinion and express it. The community has a responsibility to discourage obviously bad behavior. I think shade vulching is obviously bad.
What kind of person shade vulches anyway? In my experience (and unfortunately I had a front row seat), only extremely shallow and stupid people shade vulch. I don't like shallow and stupid people... even virtually. You're trying to equate us (by looking up scores and fussing about shades) as holding on too tight to a silly game. I contend it's the shade vulcher who's the vanity driven fool by making an effort to cheat a toon airplane game.
I think I get the premise of what some of you are saying. I don't think people should be bossing others around about how they play the game either... but this? There really isn't any argument that shade vulching is or should be a part of the game.
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Have you ever created a seperate account for the express purpose of shooting it down?
No but not for any moral reason. I wouldn't spend 15 dollars for extra perks in this game. I also would not waste my time vulching a non moving plane.
Then the two of you are part of what's wrong with the world today.
Just saying.
Okay.
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Silver. I think it is simple. Wether you want to or not everything everyone does here affects the game play. You can choose to make it better or worse by your actions. Vulching a shade contributes negatively at best. This community polices itself. I'm glad when someone breaking the rules is caught and called out publically. Sometimes the community gets it wrong and apologies ensue.
I happen to kike playing this game very much. I want to spend my time playing and recommending this place to others who may also enjoy it. I want to be proud of the game too.
If poor sportsmanship is not called out then others may see it as acceptable and play that way also, encouraging the next group to also play poorly. This type of action can then take a life of its on with the momentum swinging to the negative side of gameplay.
If you do not care how someone plays, then why do you care if we do ?
The line in red is what everyone is saying but no body can give me details as to how it effects the game play. How does ArchieD killing a shade effect me from logging on, choosing my favorite airplane, then taking off in the MA to find a fight and die, rinse and repeat. Even if it were ArchieD who killed me in the fight, his shade vulching has had zero impact on my game play. How does it negatively effect the game play? I am looking for specifics not just the same broad statement regurgitated by everyone.
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How so? They choose not to get their panties in a wad over a game? Im sure on Pewters list of priorities, this doesnt rank that high......heck it isnt even a blip on my map.
The line in red is what everyone is saying but no body can give me details as to how it effects the game play. How does ArchieD killing a shade effect me from logging on, choosing my favorite airplane, then taking off in the MA to find a fight and die, rinse and repeat. Even if it were ArchieD who killed me in the fight, his shade vulching has had zero impact on my game play. How does it negatively effect the game play? I am looking for specifics not just the same broad statement regurgitated by everyone.
Fisrt of all for the people who do come to play for score and rank (I'm not one but used to be) they're being cheated by Archie. They have a legitimate beef and if this were to run rampant many honest, play by the rule players, would leave the game. Why stay in an environment where cheating is tolerated? Good honest players leaving the game affects everyone's game play and when you're the last of the honest players you may come to see this.
More than that I think people are generally good and have a distaste for unscrupulous people. None of my friends fit into those categories and for many they come here to play with friends. Should the community allow these types to enter? Would you openly let a known cheater into your clique of friends? From this perspective Archies actions have little immediate effect but the long term degradation of the community is at issue.
If you're tolerant of dishonesty and other unscrupulous acts then good for you. You'll find a way to surround yourself with these types of people and ultimately become known as one yourself by association.
And then there's the question of where to draw the line. Bernie Madoff and Kim Jong Un have never done anything to me either. Good people by your standards.
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Fisrt of all for the people who do come to play for score and rank (I'm not one but used to be) they're being cheated by Archie. They have a legitimate beef and if this were to run rampant many honest, play by the rule players, would leave the game. Why stay in an environment where cheating is tolerated? Good honest players leaving the game affects everyone's game play and when you're the last of the honest players you may come to see this.
More than that I think people are generally good and have a distaste for unscrupulous people. None of my friends fit into those categories and for many they come here to play with friends. Should the community allow these types to enter? Would you openly let a known cheater into your clique of friends? From this perspective Archies actions have little immediate effect but the long term degradation of the community is at issue.
If you're tolerant of dishonesty and other unscrupulous acts then good for you. You'll find a way to surround yourself with these types of people and ultimately become known as one yourself by association.
And then there's the question of where to draw the line. Bernie Madoff and Kim Jong Un's never done anything to me either. Good people by your standards.
your logic is flawed in that everyone in the top spots (overall not just a specific categories) game the game in one way or another to get those top spots. Bombing runs where you drop 1 bomb in the center of one town and move on, running from fights, staying way high and picking people, spawn camping, etc etc. What they do is no different, it is just harder to track. The scoring system in itself in my opinion has ruined the game play. It encourages such behavior.
If you do not know where to draw line between Bernie Madoff, KJU, Hitler, and a video game, well nothing I can say will change that.
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The line in red is what everyone is saying but no body can give me details as to how it effects the game play. How does ArchieD killing a shade effect me from logging on, choosing my favorite airplane, then taking off in the MA to find a fight and die, rinse and repeat. Even if it were ArchieD who killed me in the fight, his shade vulching has had zero impact on my game play. How does it negatively effect the game play? I am looking for specifics not just the same broad statement regurgitated by everyone.
When I play golf in a foursome where a guy shaves strokes from his score it has no effect on my game, but it does contribute to my opinion of the guy. I am going to regurgitate a broad statement here, it shows a lack of character for the putz and I'd just as soon not be around him.
shamus
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I am looking for specifics not just the same broad statement regurgitated by everyone.
I apologize. I thought I was expressing my opinion. If many of us are saying the same thing, what you call regurgitation may actually be a consensus of opinion.
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I apologize. I thought I was expressing my opinion. If many of us are saying the same thing, what you call regurgitation may actually be a consensus of opinion.
I'm sorry Zoney, I was looking for facts as to how game play was effected by Archie's shade killings. A consensus of opinion does not constitute a fact. You know Germany once had a consensus of opinion about the Jews....
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How about we go with the opinion the game owner has. Vulching shades is against the rules. I don't really think you need someone to further explain how it adversly affects gameplay. it's wrong and is not allowed, conversation over.
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How about we go with the opinion the game owner has. Vulching shades is against the rules. I don't really think you need someone to further explain how it adversly affects gameplay. it's wrong and is not allowed, conversation over.
My whole point is that no one can explain exactly how game play is affected one way or the other. You are solidifying my point.
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Sure are a lot of highly ranked bomber pilots who disco when they find someone has climbed up to 35,000 feet to shoot them down.....usually outside of film and proxy kill range.
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For a start Pewter it makes a mockery of the perk system, achievements and rankings system, which some people play for.
Aswell as taking 2 aircraft/accounts from play for the time that they are boosting.
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Sure are a lot of highly ranked bomber pilots who disco when they find someone has climbed up to 35,000 feet to shoot them down.....usually outside of film and proxy kill range.
Icepac brings up a great point of how this style of gameplay affects others, what about the fighter pilot who just spent 20 mins plus climbing up to engage the buffs and he just bails out if his buffs. That's another toolbag move and shows a classless person now what if this becomes the norm? apply that to fighter planes " oh noes I see an enemy fighter I must bail now " apply it to gv's and so on.....
Now a toolbag who sets up another account to pad his score for perkies like I said he's a toolbag so what type of game would we have if a majority of the players did this? The game would be crap and like others have said the good honorable way to play players would just leave, leaving a game full of low lifes
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My whole point is that no one can explain exactly how game play is affected one way or the other. You are solidifying my point.
The perk system is meant to restrict usage of high powered/rare planes which would otherwise dominate the arena but still allow them in principle.
The deal is: you place yourself at a disadvantage and get rewarded by killing stuff in lesser planes.
It's the same for every player. It is fair.
Vulching shades is not honoring the deal. It is unfair, even if its just milking a few points to fly the odd perk plane or padding stats.
Surely you see that someone not playing by the rules will have an effect on your gameplay at some point?
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The perk system is meant to restrict usage of high powered/rare planes which would otherwise dominate the arena but still allow them in principle.
The deal is: you place yourself at a disadvantage and get rewarded by killing stuff in lesser planes.
It's the same for every player. It is fair.
Vulching shades is not honoring the deal. It is unfair, even if its just milking a few points to fly the odd perk plane or padding stats.
Surely you see that someone not playing by the rules will have an effect on your gameplay at some point?
Ruined my next post.
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My whole point is that no one can explain exactly how game play is affected one way or the other. You are solidifying my point.
Thank heavens someone has the courage to stand up for cheaters. I :salute you!
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So where do you draw that line of class and honor? For me class and honor is something I try to use in everything I do everyday. I don't pick and choose which things deserve it or not, but thats the way I am. I try to treat everyone with class and honor until they prove they no longer deserve it, yes even in a game. When dealing with other people I don't have certain standards for those I meet face to face, or on line.
In this game you are "dealing" with other people even though they may be a world away, they are still "people" behind those computer screens. Whats wrong with expecting a bit of class and honor from them?
This is an easy one to answer, I treat everyone i meet, weather here in game, or in real life exactly how i would want to be treated, cordually and with respect. When i run into someone that doesnt treat me the same way in return, (in game, or in real life) i dont bother with them anymore. What I dont do is waste my time worrying about them if they have failed to treat me as i treat them. I have much better things to do with my time, than worry about what someone did in a game. Heck, I dont even want to waste my time forming an opinion about them, as thats how little im worried about it.
Now if it is something that has REAL meaning, doing REAL harm to REAL people, of course i care about it, weather its to my friends or family, or even to a complete stranger.....What i dont see this as is REAL harm. Was it right, no...Should it be allowed....no Am i going to lose sleep over it....not a wink.
PS......Nice pic Redbull :lol
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The perk system is meant to restrict usage of high powered/rare planes which would otherwise dominate the arena but still allow them in principle.
The deal is: you place yourself at a disadvantage and get rewarded by killing stuff in lesser planes.
It's the same for every player. It is fair.
Vulching shades is not honoring the deal. It is unfair, even if its just milking a few points to fly the odd perk plane or padding stats.
Surely you see that someone not playing by the rules will have an effect on your gameplay at some point?
nope, I don't care how anyone got their perk points, it's really none of my business. But, if the person got their perks by shade vulching chances are they are not "skilled" enough to use those perks in a threatening manner. They would most likely get made short work of which is the reason they have to shade vulch in the first place. If they do kill me in their perk ride I still don't care. I'll reup a brand new airplane and be on my merry way. You guys are taking the fun right out of the game for yourselves worrying about what everyone else does.
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Ruined my next post.
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The old room mate agreement :lol I love that show. Penny is smoking hot!
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The old room mate agreement :lol I love that show. Penny is smoking hot!
On another note, I would like to see your Citori and raise you a Benelli Super Black Eagle II with a skeet choke and may the best man win...I live in Dallas and shoot at the Winchester Gun Range (Qurum and 635) Come on big daddy!! I'll buy the round of Skeet if you buy sporting clays. Loser gets to buy Trap. :salute
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On another note, I would like to see your Citori and raise you a Benelli Super Black Eagle II with a skeet choke and may the best man win...I live in Dallas and shoot at the Winchester Gun Range (Qurum and 635) Come on big daddy!! I'll buy the round of Skeet if you buy sporting clays. Loser gets to buy Trap. :salute
I would love to! But I am in Florida :( Going to shoot some sporting clays tomorrow morning. If I ever go to Dallas and bring my gun, you've got yourself a date :cheers:
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But, if the person got their perks by shade vulching chances are they are not "skilled" enough to use those perks in a threatening manner. They would most likely get made short work of which is the reason they have to shade vulch in the first place. If they do kill me in their perk ride I still don't care. I'll reup a brand new airplane and be on my merry way. You guys are taking the fun right out of the game for yourselves worrying about what everyone else does.
More Golden Rule - would you shade vulch? If not, why? Because it's below you? I hope so. If that's the case, call the spade a spade.
:salute
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More Golden Rule - would you shade vulch? If not, why? Because it's below you? I hope so. If that's the case, call the spade a spade.
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No I would not shade vulch. I don't play for score or perks. Shade vulching would be extremely boring. I'd rather up my p38 and fight and die. I also would not care if the person I'm fighting got their plane by shade vulching. If they beat me then I need to improve as it was more than likely something I did wrong in the fight. I play for my enjoyment and let others play for their's. If they feel the need to shade vulch for some reason it just doesn't affect me. I do think shade vulching is lame but I do not see why anyone should care that some feel the need to do it.
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The perk system is meant to restrict usage of high powered/rare planes which would otherwise dominate the arena but still allow them in principle.
The deal is: you place yourself at a disadvantage and get rewarded by killing stuff in lesser planes.
It's the same for every player. It is fair.
Vulching shades is not honoring the deal. It is unfair, even if its just milking a few points to fly the odd perk plane or padding stats.
Surely you see that someone not playing by the rules will have an effect on your gameplay at some point?
Spot on what I guess the rest of us couldn't convey.
:salute
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The alt/F4 I routinely see from some pretty high ranked bombers is being gamed because the system is set up such that the "disco'er" suffers no consequences for a poorly conducted mission profile.
I usually see this when chasing milkrunners.
Apparently, they want to reap massive points for dropping a single bomb in 14 town centers but don't want to lose score by getting shot down...........so they alt/f4 and it's as if the mission never occurred.
I would like to see all missions count toward scorte regardless of how they end.
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Apparently, they want to reap massive points for dropping a single bomb in 14 town centers but don't want to lose score by getting shot down...........so they alt/f4 and it's as if the mission never occurred.
First, Alt/f4 doesn't "disco" you it kills you. The result of alt/f4 is simply a single "death"
Second, even 'regular' discos are not "as if the mission never occured". That's only the case with server induces disco's, for example at the war reset.
Normal discos are just that, a normal sortie with the "disco" ending, counting as half a death for score calculations, wich impacts several score categories.
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So that means 2 less deaths than bailing all 3 buffs?
Maybe that isn't lost on the milkrunners.
The last disco I experienced in my first fighter sortie this tour scored me as two missions.....one death and one disco.
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It shouldn't have any effect on you.
There's where you're wrong. It -does- impact other people/pilots in
the game. With all of those kills comes a TON of fighter perks; the
end result of which is a 262, Tempest or other "perk ride" which
would otherwise not be in the air. 262s are pretty much a fun-killer
ride, ruining many a sortie or mission flown by folks who are
just lookin' to hop "in" Aces High for a bit to have some fun.
So, personally I'm quite amused when I see a little charade
like this exposed.
Regards, Odd
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There's where you're wrong. It -does- impact other people/pilots in
the game. With all of those kills comes a TON of fighter perks; the
end result of which is a 262, Tempest or other "perk ride" which
would otherwise not be in the air. 262s are pretty much a fun-killer
ride, ruining many a sortie or mission flown by folks who are
just lookin' to hop "in" Aces High for a bit to have some fun.
So, personally I'm quite amused when I see a little charade
like this exposed.
Regards, Odd
I don't agree. The fact that he has to cheat to get it means he doesn't have the skill to use it. Yea he's going to ruin the fun of a couple victims, but most likely he will be out of business again in no time.
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nope, I don't care how anyone got their perk points, it's really none of my business. But, if the person got their perks by shade vulching chances are they are not "skilled" enough to use those perks in a threatening manner. They would most likely get made short work of which is the reason they have to shade vulch in the first place. If they do kill me in their perk ride I still don't care. I'll reup a brand new airplane and be on my merry way. You guys are taking the fun right out of the game for yourselves worrying about what everyone else does.
If you don't care how someone plays the game, why so many posts telling people what they shouldn't care about?
Others disapproving of a shady player's illicit gains is wrong but you telling people what not to disapprove of is right. Got it. :aok
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I don't agree. The fact that he has to cheat to get it means he doesn't have the skill to use it. Yea he's going to ruin the fun of a couple victims, but most likely he will be out of business again in no time.
I politely, disagree. Dog fight a 262 and you will eventually lose it. But hey if they're "Free" because of perk farming, no worries. I'll bet some of these shade farmers are will eventually be the best 262 pilots in the game. You can't up 262s in the DA. So the only real dog fighting experience you can get is in the MA. That experience is supposed to be limitted because of the perk system. But if you can just Perk farm by killing shades, there is, effectively, no perk system.
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your logic is flawed in that everyone in the top spots (overall not just a specific categories) game the game in one way or another to get those top spots. Bombing runs where you drop 1 bomb in the center of one town and move on, running from fights, staying way high and picking people, spawn camping, etc etc. What they do is no different, it is just harder to track. The scoring system in itself in my opinion has ruined the game play. It encourages such behavior.
If you do not know where to draw line between Bernie Madoff, KJU, Hitler, and a video game, well nothing I can say will change that.
Pewter, Are you saying you see no difference between milk running and shade killing? How busy and dangerous the virtual skies are varies from hour to hour and can't be controlled, but may be predicted. Players using knowlege of where the enemy is to avoid them is part of the game.
Shade killing is not using game knowlege, it's controlling the enemy. It's controlling the part of the game that is not supposed to be in your control.
It's like having your brother on the opposing basketball team and having him keep turning the ball over to you so you can score 100 points. It's cheating. Plane and simple. Equating strategy and optimization with cheating because they both produce easier results is logically, and ethicly bankrupt.
Not trying to be heavy handed with that wording, I think you are just trying to flipant, and express you disregard for milk runners perhaps. :salute
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Pewter, Are you saying you see no difference between milk running and shade killing? :salute
That is exactly what I am saying. gaming the game is gaming the game. You are milk running purely for score and perks just as killing a shade is for score and perks. The only real difference is milk running is $15/month cheaper than shade killing. You are both gaming the game (you is speaking in general, not necessarily directed at you vinkman) for score and perks, no other reason. You can't have it both ways. :cheers:
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That is exactly what I am saying. gaming the game is gaming the game. You are milk running purely for score and perks just as killing a shade is for score and perks. The only real difference is milk running is $15/month cheaper than shade killing. You are both gaming the game (you is speaking in general, not necessarily directed at you vinkman) for score and perks, no other reason. You can't have it both ways. :cheers:
There's quite a bit of difference between 2 boxing a shade for easy kills and milk running. With milk running, you're still in the arena, you're still exposed to other people possibly shooting you down if they come after you. It's lame, but it's not lame at the level of shade killing.
Wiley.
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There's quite a bit of difference between 2 boxing a shade for easy kills and milk running. With milk running, you're still in the arena, you're still exposed to other people possibly shooting you down if they come after you. It's lame, but it's not lame at the level of shade killing.
Wiley.
No there isn't, The guy killing his shade is also in the arena and subject to the same people coming to kill them.
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No there isn't, The guy killing his shade is also in the arena and subject to the same people coming to kill them.
Hmp. Should've gotten there myself... Can't argue with that.
Wiley.
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No there isn't, The guy killing his shade is also in the arena and subject to the same people coming to kill them.
Not really tho, right? I mean as he is the shade he knows where all the friendly dots are. So he can fly towards himself at a field where there is no threat. I don't think people fly their shade into a furball and try to find the needle in the haystack and kill it. He may not even have to be vulching. He can fly his shade over his base, and take off to kill it. Absolutely no threat to himself. A milk runner must enter enemy territory and stay there a long time. They are visible on Radar and Dar bar and they are easily huntable. The milk runner can not control the outcome. Ask the 10 buffs I killed in a single 410 sortie two weeks ago.
shade killing is cheating because you are controlling aspects of the game that were not meant to be in your control. Like hacking the code to make your plane indestructable and turn trhee times as tight as normal, and having unlimited amo, would not be "gaming the game". It is...unethical. Milk running is not unethical, as it is game play as game play was intended.
:salute
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I politely, disagree. Dog fight a 262 and you will eventually lose it. But hey if they're "Free" because of perk farming, no worries. I'll bet some of these shade farmers are will eventually be the best 262 pilots in the game. You can't up 262s in the DA. So the only real dog fighting experience you can get is in the MA. That experience is supposed to be limitted because of the perk system. But if you can just Perk farm by killing shades, there is, effectively, no perk system.
Maybe I underestimate how quickly those perks build up. I would think that it's a long and boring process controlling two aircraft to rack up, 300(?) points. And I thought their main objective was to rank themselves and woo the arena with high score not to be 262 aces.
Dont get me wrong, it's lame as it gets and public humiliation fits the bill. It's a laughable crime, not an outrage.
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Maybe I underestimate how quickly those perks build up. I would think that it's a long and boring process controlling two aircraft to rack up, 300(?) points. And I thought their main objective was to rank themselves and woo the arena with high score not to be 262 aces.
Dont get me wrong, it's lame as it gets and public humiliation fits the bill. It's a laughable crime, not an outrage.
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I understand Muzik. <S> It's surprisingly short. ENY ratio is essentially your perk points. Kill a pony (ENY 5) with a P-39 (Eny 40) and you make 8 perks per kill. If there is a perk bonus do due MA status you can multiply that by 1.5 or more. So you can make up to 12 perks per kill. If you were vulching at a remote base it would only take 17 vulches to earn 200 Perks. 17 vulches is probably, what? 20 minutes? More like 5 minutes of the ack is down.
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When I milkrun in my Seventeens I fly at 15k. Come and get me.
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Maybe I underestimate how quickly those perks build up. I would think that it's a long and boring process controlling two aircraft to rack up, 300(?) points. And I thought their main objective was to rank themselves and woo the arena with high score not to be 262 aces.
Dont get me wrong, it's lame as it gets and public humiliation fits the bill. It's a laughable crime, not an outrage.
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They don't do it for perk farming...they do it for ranking. That's why its laughable. There are reputations to forge right? Who cares how its forged...cheating or fighting or cheating and shooting, lol. If their ranking is high, they can claim skilz, thus WIN. Amazingly enough, I haven't run across a lot of skill players that care much about their ranking....ever.
This is just someone taking a dump in the public pool...drain it, clean it and fill it back up.
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Saw a lot of "SYSTEM: ArchieD landed 3 kills in an ME-262" last night.
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They don't do it for perk farming...they do it for ranking. That's why its laughable.
You can easily spot the perk farming by looking at the planes. In all arenas he took a ENY 40 plane and killed hundreds of ENY 5 planes, despite that being much more noticeable than the other way around. Gives massive perk points (I estimate Archie's perk gain at about 1000 perks in extremely short time), while having no special impact on score.
Keep in mind the average player is effectively earning in the range of 1-5 perks per hour of flight time. I'm currently running a perk survey and so far the average player has earned ~36 fighter perks in just over two months. I, certainly being alot above the average and spending immense amount of time playing this game, earned just over 1000. ArchieD earned more than 4K in a fraction of that time.
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You can easily spot the perk farming by looking at the planes. In all arenas he took a ENY 40 plane and killed hundreds of ENY 5 planes, despite that being much more noticeable than the other way around. Gives massive perk points (I estimate Archie's perk gain at about 1000 perks in extremely short time), while having no special impact on score.
Keep in mind the average player is effectively earning in the range of 1-5 perks per hour of flight time. I'm currently running a perk survey and so far the average player has earned ~36 fighter perks in just over two months. I, certainly being alot above the average and spending immense amount of time playing this game, earned just over 1000. ArchieD earned more than 4K in a fraction of that time.
How are you conducting this survey? ~36 in just two months seems way low. I easily make that in less than 2-3 hours of playing. Granted I fly a 38G and 38J and always try to kill the 5eny birds first but 36 in two months is insane. Hell Ive landed over 100 perkies in two sorties one Saturday morning.
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How are you conducting this survey? ~36 in just two months seems way low. I easily make that in less than 2-3 hours of playing. Granted I fly a 38G and 38J and always try to kill the 5eny birds first but 36 in two months is insane. Hell Ive landed over 100 perkies in two sorties one Saturday morning.
The individual player can make much more at a time depending on skill level and luck. I once landed myself almost 100 perks with one sortie, no rearm, and I could do about 1000 per tour when flying fighters more than I currently do.
But that's far outside the scope of the average AH player, which only gets about 3 kills per hour in the long run. In the past I estimated perk gains based on those stats, i.e. k/h, k/d and which planes are generally beign used and killed. I can do that for all players in the arena.
And 3 kills means (at balanced sides) slightly more than 3 perks on average. (Boosting perk gain by flying ENY 30 planes isn't an option for many players)
And currently I'm using the new achievement sheet in game, which tells me exactly how many perks a player earned since the last reset (end of january), and his peak perk balance. It's still in progress, that's why I haven't published it yet.
So far I sampled about 100 players (randomly chosen amongst those that had been active for at least 3 tours), and the really good ones have earned in the range of 500-600 perks, one topping at 984. But that's a very small minority of players
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You can easily spot the perk farming by looking at the planes. In all arenas he took a ENY 40 plane and killed hundreds of ENY 5 planes, despite that being much more noticeable than the other way around. Gives massive perk points (I estimate Archie's perk gain at about 1000 perks in extremely short time), while having no special impact on score.
Keep in mind the average player is effectively earning in the range of 1-5 perks per hour of flight time. I'm currently running a perk survey and so far the average player has earned ~36 fighter perks in just over two months. I, certainly being alot above the average and spending immense amount of time playing this game, earned just over 1000. ArchieD earned more than 4K in a fraction of that time.
Notice I said "They". I was speaking in generalities with regard to shade killing because ultimately it could be both reasons. I have fought ArchieD many many times and although he's not the best fighter I've ever fought, he's certainly OK enough to hold his own for a time with most guys in the game...I was guessing he wanted rank because of that. Obviously, based on your homework, he is attempting to accumulate perks to rent perk rides to further his non-shade fighter ranking...if Triton28 was correct in stating he saw ArchieD landing kills all night in a 262.
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I know I saw it at least twice. I remember because both times I thought about saying something really witty on 200. Then I remembered that I'm a nice guy and I'm not that witty. :frown:
His stats so far this tour support the "slutty perk farmer" theory:
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/newscores/killstat.php?selectTour=LWTour159&player=ArchieD&kt=14 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/newscores/killstat.php?selectTour=LWTour159&player=ArchieD&kt=14)
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When I milkrun in my Seventeens I fly at 15k. Come and get me.
Okey dokey ;- )
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You can easily spot the perk farming by looking at the planes. In all arenas he took a ENY 40 plane and killed hundreds of ENY 5 planes, despite that being much more noticeable than the other way around. Gives massive perk points (I estimate Archie's perk gain at about 1000 perks in extremely short time), while having no special impact on score.
Keep in mind the average player is effectively earning in the range of 1-5 perks per hour of flight time. I'm currently running a perk survey and so far the average player has earned ~36 fighter perks in just over two months. I, certainly being alot above the average and spending immense amount of time playing this game, earned just over 1000. ArchieD earned more than 4K in a fraction of that time.
I've seen several solutions proposed. Do you think it should be fixed? And how would you propose doing it?
I think a start would be to assign perks to the Arena you earned them in. So EW and MW perks are not useable in the LW and vice versa (someone esle posted that idea, I liked it). But, ArchieD earned thesein the MA. any potential fixes?
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WTF...
ArchieD did it again in the last 2 days. Early War. 52 Kills in a P-40C on FrauB's Hurricane II. 0 Deaths. Approximate 166 perks/h.
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You can easily spot the perk farming by looking at the planes. In all arenas he took a ENY 40 plane and killed hundreds of ENY 5 planes, despite that being much more noticeable than the other way around. Gives massive perk points (I estimate Archie's perk gain at about 1000 perks in extremely short time), while having no special impact on score.
Keep in mind the average player is effectively earning in the range of 1-5 perks per hour of flight time. I'm currently running a perk survey and so far the average player has earned ~36 fighter perks in just over two months. I, certainly being alot above the average and spending immense amount of time playing this game, earned just over 1000. ArchieD earned more than 4K in a fraction of that time.
Woah... so then by my guestimation I'm "special"? :confused: :devil
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WTF...
ArchieD did it again in the last 2 days. Early War. 52 Kills in a P-40C on FrauB's Hurricane II. 0 Deaths. Approximate 166 perks/h.
ArchieD's skillz are unstoppable!
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WTF...
ArchieD did it again in the last 2 days. Early War. 52 Kills in a P-40C on FrauB's Hurricane II. 0 Deaths. Approximate 166 perks/h.
You're shocked? I'm not. Pathetic to even mention him at this point. The only thing you do is give the puke the attention he craves. People game the game in countless ways that are accepted by all.
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They don't do it for perk farming...they do it for ranking. That's why its laughable.
The majority now do it to farm perks, it's rare now for someone to vulch a 2nd account for score/rank, especially when doing it for score/rank is much more visible.
ack-ack
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Maybe HTC should just let folks buy perks then. 1 cent per point, ger a thousand for 10 bucks, 10.00 minimum buy in, no refunds.
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People game the game in countless ways that are accepted by all.
We don't accept them. We simply have no choice. It literally makes score meaningless but they crave the perception of what they are. Approval seeking to a neurotic degree.
Ones who do these actions should wear a badge. We have stars now. Maybe a type of letter "L" for Loser. It is amazingly easy to detect who the abusers are programmatically. They should have to wear it for ALL to see in game. :old:
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AW had a similar problem, not with people farming perks but people farming points. The way it was handled in AW was that if you shot down a pilot then you got full "points" for killing said pilot. If within a few minutes you kill the same pilot again, you received less than full points, kill the same pilot again a few minutes later and you get even less points to the point that if you repeatedly kill the same pilot again you'll end up getting 0 points for killing the player. A similar counter measure can be added to AH, so eventually the player ends up getting 0 perks for repeatedly vulching a 2nd account.
ack-ack
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AW had a similar problem, not with people farming perks but people farming points. The way it was handled in AW was that if you shot down a pilot then you got full "points" for killing said pilot. If within a few minutes you kill the same pilot again, you received less than full points, kill the same pilot again a few minutes later and you get even less points to the point that if you repeatedly kill the same pilot again you'll end up getting 0 points for killing the player. A similar counter measure can be added to AH, so eventually the player ends up getting 0 perks for repeatedly vulching a 2nd account.
ack-ack
This needs to be in the wishlist section asap.
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WTF...
ArchieD did it again in the last 2 days. Early War. 52 Kills in a P-40C on FrauB's Hurricane II. 0 Deaths. Approximate 166 perks/h.
Well as long as HTC is going to turn a blind eye to this I hereby grant anyone willing to pay my subsciption to kill me relentlessly in any arena other then LWMA in your planes of choice.
You don't even have to have a second account or a second computer. I save money, you save money and we both win.
Send me a PM to arrange the details.
And BTW I'm totally serious.
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AW had a similar problem, not with people farming perks but people farming points. The way it was handled in AW was that if you shot down a pilot then you got full "points" for killing said pilot. If within a few minutes you kill the same pilot again, you received less than full points, kill the same pilot again a few minutes later and you get even less points to the point that if you repeatedly kill the same pilot again you'll end up getting 0 points for killing the player. A similar counter measure can be added to AH, so eventually the player ends up getting 0 perks for repeatedly vulching a 2nd account.
ack-ack
BRILLIANT! Adding a stupidly-simple diminishing-return formula for repeated kills on the same player within a short period of time would totally do it!
Kill him 5 times no biggie, kill him 10 times repeatedly you only get 90% the points, kill him 30... something is up so now maybe it's only 50%, by the time the 45th or 50th kill is delivered within an hour, it's 0.01%!!!
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Bald.... Thats SOOOOO tempting.... Not for the topic in this forum... But to have FlightLine pay for one month and unleash the hounds of hell.... Im almost going to pay for a month and make you fly uber rides just for the sake of killing everything you see..... Soooo tempting sir.
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Maybe HTC should just let folks buy perks then. 1 cent per point, ger a thousand for 10 bucks, 10.00 minimum buy in, no refunds.
They are charged for them....15 bucks a month for the shade account
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AW had a similar problem, not with people farming perks but people farming points. The way it was handled in AW was that if you shot down a pilot then you got full "points" for killing said pilot. If within a few minutes you kill the same pilot again, you received less than full points, kill the same pilot again a few minutes later and you get even less points to the point that if you repeatedly kill the same pilot again you'll end up getting 0 points for killing the player. A similar counter measure can be added to AH, so eventually the player ends up getting 0 perks for repeatedly vulching a 2nd account.
ack-ack
+1 as an easily programmable solution.
Please Wishlist this ASAP!
This would also result in a decline in perks earned from spawn camping and vulching (during which the same upper is often killed multiple times) which is a very good side benefit, IMO.
:salute
Ryno
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Well as long as HTC is going to turn a blind eye to this I hereby grant anyone willing to pay my subsciption to kill me relentlessly in any arena other then LWMA in your planes of choice.
You don't even have to have a second account or a second computer. I save money, you save money and we both win.
Send me a PM to arrange the details.
And BTW I'm totally serious.
Wait, they don't save money. They are still paying for two accounts.
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They don't pay for the 2 week trial :old:
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They won't grant this.. They'd lose money from people not buying shades to kill themselves with. Did I just say that?
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I wouldn't worry about ArchieD's perks I just snagged a bunch of them.
Lesson dont HO my StukaG2.
(http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm95/wolfhunter007/Killof262inaStukaG2_zps34efb8e8.png) (http://s294.photobucket.com/user/wolfhunter007/media/Killof262inaStukaG2_zps34efb8e8.png.html)
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ARchieD and FrauB are at it right now in EW. Archie is currently ranked 1 in EW Fighters. :devil
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Looks like paying $29.90 per month gets you special privileges. :rolleyes:
Or FrauB just has really bad luck, that stalking isn't considered a crime in the world of AH.
(http://i343.photobucket.com/albums/o460/caldera_08/shade-1.jpg) (http://s343.photobucket.com/user/caldera_08/media/shade-1.jpg.html)
(http://i343.photobucket.com/albums/o460/caldera_08/shade-2.jpg) (http://s343.photobucket.com/user/caldera_08/media/shade-2.jpg.html)
(http://i343.photobucket.com/albums/o460/caldera_08/disperse.jpg) (http://s343.photobucket.com/user/caldera_08/media/disperse.jpg.html)
ArchieD mustn't be so skilled after all, if even his shade can kill him too.
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:rofl
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back in the day this was considered HORRIBLE and people got kicked off the game for it
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back in the day this was considered HORRIBLE and people got kicked off the game for it
I was told two times "it's being handled"
Well, he still got his kills, he still got his "rank" and at this very moment he's doing it again and has now 270 kills on poor FrauB in EW alone. And probably is laughing his butt off about fools like me :rolleyes:
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Skilled hahah he got shot down by my Stuka when he was in a 262 he is a moron.
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Not even funny anymore.
Wow...people need help.
I hope Dr. Hitech is in.
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Wait, they don't save money. They are still paying for two accounts.
But they don't need a second computer, thus saving money.
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Look at the numbers the rooks have in the picture below (taken last night). Under this scenario, the perk cost of the 262 would be too high of a risk for most folks. Well, most that weren't generating buckets of perks killing a shade. How can this be allowed to continue?
(http://i343.photobucket.com/albums/o460/caldera_08/ahss6.jpg) (http://s343.photobucket.com/user/caldera_08/media/ahss6.jpg.html)
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When he is located, it should be broadcast on "all" channel in mid and 200 in late.
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I think it is truly sad. Everyone in the game knows what he is doing, and a preponderance agree that it is wrong. Someday, he may understand and then he will me mightily embarrassed by what he did. Most likely then, he will change his name, burying his past or trying to and losing all those points he has stolen. I really do feel bad for the guy.
What is his squad thinking about this. I'm positive that any CO worth anything would have thrown him out. If I was in the same squad as he and my CO didn't kick him to the curb, I would find a new squad.
666th Barbarians (airstud, BippeeII, Chump, Dan6, Fosterb, HotRod1, twoshay) and the CO, "VANDALS". What say you sirs ?
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But they don't need a second computer, thus saving money.
Ah...that makes sense. :salute
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well, well as usaull the mighty forums sit in judgement of others lol you people...... I know ArchieD and I know he does not play for score or rank>>>fact. Now then has anyone of you who sit in judgment ever vulch a runway, camp a spawn? Sure you have I have seen some of you do it. So is this wrong? My answer not for me to say dont have all the facts before me maybe Archie has a cousin who is learning the game and yes he gets to perk farm I dont care let hitech take care of it. If he is doing something wrong then it will be handle by them. Game the Game we all do it YES WE ALL DO IT. Oh one more thing Zoney SHUT IT! Forum Bullies lol :devil
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Gaming the game is one thing. Getting hundreds of free perks for risk-free 262s is something else. Open your eyes.
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Gaming the game is one thing. Getting hundreds of free perks for risk-free 262s is something else. Open your eyes.
I have opened my eyes and I would very much like your avatar and Stokes avatar to meet and become one....like on Star Trek. Then I will take the new avatar to dinner. Make it so
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well, well as usaull the mighty forums sit in judgement of others lol you people...... I know ArchieD and I know he does not play for score or rank>>>fact. Now then has anyone of you who sit in judgment ever vulch a runway, camp a spawn? Sure you have I have seen some of you do it. So is this wrong? My answer not for me to say dont have all the facts before me maybe Archie has a cousin who is learning the game and yes he gets to perk farm I dont care let hitech take care of it. If he is doing something wrong then it will be handle by them. Game the Game we all do it YES WE ALL DO IT. Oh one more thing Zoney SHUT IT! Forum Bullies lol :devil
You obviously don't know him as well as you think you do, unless you're FrauB. The fact is ArchieD is just an unskilled twit that can't earn perks the normal way so he has to vulch a 2nd account, the proof is in his actions.
ack-ack
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well, well as usaull the mighty forums sit in judgement of others lol you people...... I know ArchieD and I know he does not play for score or rank>>>fact. Now then has anyone of you who sit in judgment ever vulch a runway, camp a spawn? Sure you have I have seen some of you do it. So is this wrong? My answer not for me to say dont have all the facts before me maybe Archie has a cousin who is learning the game and yes he gets to perk farm I dont care let hitech take care of it. If he is doing something wrong then it will be handle by them. Game the Game we all do it YES WE ALL DO IT. Oh one more thing Zoney SHUT IT! Forum Bullies lol :devil
Wrong. It is very apparent that you cut school too many times.
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You obviously don't know him as well as you think you do, unless you're FrauB. The fact is ArchieD is just an unskilled twit that can't earn perks the normal way so he has to vulch a 2nd account, the proof is in his actions.
ack-ack
And getting his 262 shot down by a Stuka :rofl
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Masterjock, thanks for your reply. Are you in the Barbarians with him? I'm not sure I know what your in-game name is. Mine is Zoney, would you be so kind as to tell me yours?
Also, EVERYONE does not "Game the Game". I do not, so that is at least one and I believe there are others.
Maybe when you are free some night we could have a bit of a fight to have some fun.
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well, well as usaull the mighty forums sit in judgement of others lol you people...... I know ArchieD and I know he does not play for score or rank>>>fact. Now then has anyone of you who sit in judgment ever vulch a runway, camp a spawn? Sure you have I have seen some of you do it. So is this wrong? My answer not for me to say dont have all the facts before me maybe Archie has a cousin who is learning the game and yes he gets to perk farm I dont care let hitech take care of it. If he is doing something wrong then it will be handle by them. Game the Game we all do it YES WE ALL DO IT. Oh one more thing Zoney SHUT IT! Forum Bullies lol :devil
lol, lol this guy is funny he didnt even read the thread where it was pretty much established ArchieD is just being a toolshed shade vulching perk farmer>>>fact. Now he builds a weak strawman argument about vulching runways lol this guy. He admits to not having all the facts but admonishes others for passing judgement based on facts lol maybe archie does have a cousin but if he does he's still being a toolshed for making his cousin up planes and just let him shoot them down, maybe hitech will take care of it I sure hope so but anyway I'M DONE TYPING IN THIS GIBBERISH FORMAT. :devil
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Masterjock, thanks for your reply. Are you in the Barbarians with him? I'm not sure I know what your in-game name is. Mine is Zoney, would you be so kind as to tell me yours?
Also, EVERYONE does not "Game the Game". I do not, so that is at least one and I believe there are others.
Maybe when you are free some night we could have a bit of a fight to have some fun.
He has to beat you two consecutive fights then he will reveal his ID to you. Check his previous posts, he made a promise to ack-ack about it.
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(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n83/Urbanflotsom1/mm1_zpsadddfbc1.jpg) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Urbanflotsom1/media/mm1_zpsadddfbc1.jpg.html)
He was farming in MW til I called him out and shot him down~ He and FrauB sulked off to EW where poor FrauB mysteriously died of fright near his C.202 another 100+ times. Skuzzy struck Archie's EW stats after I offered to submit film.
Pretty surprised he is still in the game at all, but he apparently is still happily spending all his hard earned $15 perks in LW on unlimited 262s. Its a shame that someone like that hasn't been ejected completely and is allowed to blatantly throw off the stats with a 2nd account.
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I have opened my eyes and I would very much like your avatar and Stokes avatar to meet and become one....like on Star Trek. Then I will take the new avatar to dinner. Make it so
Would you settle for her?
(http://i343.photobucket.com/albums/o460/caldera_08/gifs_19.gif:original) (http://s343.photobucket.com/user/caldera_08/media/gifs_19.gif.html)
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Would you settle for her?
(http://i343.photobucket.com/albums/o460/caldera_08/gifs_19.gif:original) (http://s343.photobucket.com/user/caldera_08/media/gifs_19.gif.html)
...Have her bathed and brought to my chambers...
As to ArchieD, apparently at least some of his buddies don't care about his shortcomings and think it's swell that he does what he does. Pfeh on the lot of them. If it were up to me, I'dve restricted Archie's account to 35 ENY planes and above. One of the many reasons I don't run a game.
And Jockmaster, there's a difference between bullying someone and pointing out facts calling out what some would define as cheating at worst, poor behavior at best. The fact that you defend it because you assume everybody does it speaks volumes about yourself. You are a bad person, and should feel bad.
Wiley.
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...You are a bad person, and should feel bad.
Wiley.
Ya coulda just posed this..
(http://i.qkme.me/3pakvz.jpg)
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Scum, pure scum.
Nuff said
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I called Archie out on 200 MA and he sulked off, told Vandals, he said thanks, hes been away,hes on to it..<S>
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Hey remember those guys who would vulch a shade over and over so that they could get their rank high enough to take command of task groups. Then they would change sides and drive that country's CVs so that their squaddies could destroy it? I sure remember it. Man what a hoot! Whatever happened to that squad?
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Would you settle for her?
(http://i343.photobucket.com/albums/o460/caldera_08/gifs_19.gif:original) (http://s343.photobucket.com/user/caldera_08/media/gifs_19.gif.html)
OH MY GOD
Can you imagine what that would look like 3D? That cheek would be slapping you in the face. How does it stay so tight after being thrown so far?
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Looked at my stats. The most kills of anyone person I have is 3 and that probably was a buff set.
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OH MY GOD
Can you imagine what that would look like 3D? That cheek would be slapping you in the face. How does it stay so tight after being thrown so far?
After two hours of staring, she becomes 3D. And the slapping is delightful. :D
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I'm going to play the devils advocate for a minute. Is getting a shade so you can earn perks and increase rank really so bad? I don't remember reading that we can't have a second account in the EULA. Is it worse than bailing a set of bombers so the guy in the A8 with 30 mil taters climbing up to you can't get the kill? Does Hitech limit us to one account? I just don't see what the big deal is as long as we're not using that second account to gain an unfair advantage on another country i.e. locating CV's etc. After all, it's his $15 bucks.
That said, I'll call it what it is...cheesy and gamey, but is it cheating? I don't think so.
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And getting his 262 shot down by a Stuka :rofl
I almost lost an Me262 to a D3A1.... :uhoh
It dove on me as I was climbing towards my planned combat area and was able to get close enough to spray rounds at me, one of which took out my #1 engine. He then followed me all the way back to my airfield. Fortunately even on one engine an Me262 in a descent can easily out pace a D3A1 and I was able to get enough separation to land.
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I almost lost an Me262 to a D3A1.... :uhoh
It dove on me as I was climbing towards my planned combat area and was able to get close enough to spray rounds at me, one of which took out my #1 engine. He then followed me all the way back to my airfield. Fortunately even on one engine an Me262 in a descent can easily out pace a D3A1 and I was able to get enough separation to land.
He gave me a headon shot and didn't even hit my plane at all with his fire.... My 37mms didn't miss :devil
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I'm going to play the devils advocate for a minute. Is getting a shade so you can earn perks and increase rank really so bad? I don't remember reading that we can't have a second account in the EULA. Is it worse than bailing a set of bombers so the guy in the A8 with 30 mil taters climbing up to you can't get the kill? Does Hitech limit us to one account? I just don't see what the big deal is as long as we're not using that second account to gain an unfair advantage on another country i.e. locating CV's etc. After all, it's his $15 bucks.
That said, I'll call it what it is...cheesy and gamey, but is it cheating? I don't think so.
Because his shade vulching allows him to fly perk planes with greater frequency than he otherwise would, I'd say it is cheating. It's not hacking the game, but it directly violates the system we have in place to limit the very best planes available.
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Waiting to hear if Vandals instigated a public flogging in the Barbarians camp...
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So much anger over something that is not a big deal. He can fly more perk planes wooo.
What it boils down to is he paid 15 dollars to fly perk planes.
Although it is fun watching the villagers run around with half lit torches.
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So much anger over something that is not a big deal. He can fly more perk planes wooo.
What it boils down to is he paid 15 dollars to fly perk planes.
Although it is fun watching the villagers run around with half lit torches.
I mean you can think of it that way. It's a terrible oversimplification, but you're certainly allowed to do that. :)
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I mean you can think of it that way. It's a terrible oversimplification, but you're certainly allowed to do that. :)
Some things are simple and this is one of those times.
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You obviously don't know him as well as you think you do, unless you're FrauB. The fact is ArchieD is just an unskilled twit that can't earn perks the normal way so he has to vulch a 2nd account, the proof is in his actions.
ack-ack
lol Really dude this is what you post in reply? Ack Crack you have no idea how well I know him! Did I not say you sit in judgement?? I believe you just proved my point >>(The fact is ArchieD is just an unskilled twit)<< lol Its a CARTOON GAME lol skill please there is no skill in a CARTOON GAME that is freaking hilarious you moron. Carpenter, Electricians, Surgeon, Gunsmith these are skills. Do you know ArchieD well enough to say he has no skill? If this is all you have to contribute being ugly to people then you should not post. TopGear he has yet to kill me but I have killed him since that statement just a little update for ya :devil
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I called Archie out on 200 MA and he sulked off, told Vandals, he said thanks, hes been away,hes on to it..<S>
you sure about this? lol
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thats how it rolled....you want to pin your colours to his mast thats your prerogative.....good luck with that.. makes you look a tad silly!
I politely told vandals the situation, I`m sure he wants his squad to have a decent reputation....
we will see what transpires...
Keep on saying its fine to shade vulch if you like ....but deep down you know its lame.....
or one day you might...
have fun
<S> Jimmy
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thats how it rolled....you want to pin your colours to his mast thats your prerogative.....good luck with that.. makes you look a tad silly!
I politely told vandals the situation, I`m sure he wants his squad to have a decent reputation....
we will see what transpires...
Keep on saying its fine to shade vulch if you like ....but deep down you know its lame.....
or one day you might...
have fun
<S> Jimmy
I did not say it was not lame. It is not a big deal. It has little to no effect on the game.
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I did not say it was not lame. It is not a big deal. It has little to no effect on the game.
Lameness relativism? :rofl
I didn't know something lame had to rise to a certain threshold before the community could comment.
This has been established a couple pages ago I think, but you're correct, it's not a 'big deal' in that nobody is having nightmares about ArchieD and his menacing 262. It is a big deal in that he's exploiting a system put in place to limit the amount of uber rides seen in AH skies. Personally, I don't think it needs to become an epidemic before people are allowed to point fingers and try shame him into knocking it off.
Are you even flying in LWMA?
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I did not say it was not lame. It is not a big deal. It has little to no effect on the game.
It is a big deal and has a great deal of effect on anyone trying to attain top fighter rank in whatever arena(s) this is occuring in. If that's what you pay your $15 for you're being cheated out of it.
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Lameness relativism? :rofl
I didn't know something lame had to rise to a certain threshold before the community could comment.
This has been established a couple pages ago I think, but you're correct, it's not a 'big deal' in that nobody is having nightmares about ArchieD and his menacing 262. It is a big deal in that he's exploiting a system put in place to limit the amount of uber rides seen in AH skies. Personally, I don't think it needs to become an epidemic before people are allowed to point fingers and try shame him into knocking it off.
Are you even flying in LWMA?
:rofl
"See there are conclusions on the mat and then you can - jump to them"
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It is a big deal and has a great deal of effect on anyone trying to attain top fighter rank in whatever arena(s) this is occuring in. If that's what you pay your $15 for you're being cheated out of it.
Forgive me if I don't weep for the score potatoes out there. Wasn't his stats wiped by HTC?
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:rofl
"See there are conclusions on the mat and then you can - jump to them"
Uh oh. I'm busted. And by a movie quote no less. :confused:
Player Sukov did not fly in Early/Mid/Late War Tour 159.
Ain't no wonder you don't care dude. You ain't even flyin!
And yes, I did jump to the conclusion that you're just being contrary for the sake of. But given the circumstances, I don't consider that to be a very big jump.
:cheers:
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:noid
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Uh oh. I'm busted. And by a movie quote no less. :confused:
Ain't no wonder you don't care dude. You ain't even flyin!
And yes, I did jump to the conclusion that you're just being contrary for the sake of. But given the circumstances, I don't consider that to be a very big jump.
:cheers:
"Uh oh." You caught me.
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"Uh oh." You caught me.
I release you. Go in peace.
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New tour, new 'victim', same player.
I have to admit I feel like a total and utter fool now.
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I have to admit I feel like a total and utter fool now.
Why?
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Haldrman killed 86 times by the same guy in EW. Haldrman, go to TA and learn to fight back bud :bhead
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New tour, new 'victim', same player.
I have to admit I feel like a total and utter fool now.
I guess this means that HiTech really doesn't give a damn. Shame because more people are going to do it now and you'll see the game play decline as a result.
ack-ack
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I guess this means that HiTech really doesn't give a damn. Shame because more people are going to do it now and you'll see the game play decline as a result.
ack-ack
I could not agree more.
So many questions that are posed in these forums deal with how HTC creates the game - their intellectual property, in other words. In no way should they release that as it would undermine their enterprise.
However, this is a question of game policy, and there is a difference. While we as players can debate the ethics of this act or that HTC would get multiple account payments from this, a statement of policy from HTC on this would go a long way. Personally I find it unacceptable for all the reasons outlined elsewhere in this thread.
What say you, HiTech?
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Apparently shades are not in vogue anymore since 3 players from the Raw Prawns have almost 1200 kills of each other in Mid War. For an arena that, on average, has only 12 or so players logged at one time. I know they are not shades.
Caught 2 of them and called them cheaters, just got laughed at since it seems there isn't any consequence to this behavior.
I've been playing AH for only 1 year and think it's the best in so many ways. I don't care if someone can shoot me down in a perk ride, but I do care if that someone didn't earn those perks in the same manner I had to. Maybe I'm old fashioned. Integrity and ethics STILL important to me.
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.... but I do care if that someone didn't earn those perks in the same manner I had to. Maybe I'm old fashioned. Integrity and ethics STILL important to me.
Think about that for a second. You're making a choice. Granted, you're not making the gamey dweeb one ... but you're not being forced to do anything. You may not like it but 'unfair' doesn't come into play.
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However, this is a question of game policy, and there is a difference. While we as players can debate the ethics of this act or that HTC would get multiple account payments from this, a statement of policy from HTC on this would go a long way. Personally I find it unacceptable for all the reasons outlined elsewhere in this thread.
What say you, HiTech?
I doubt we will see a straightforward reply from HT on this, and not for the monetary reason some suggest.
The problem with making rules is that there is then an obligation to enforce them. The problem seems to be that they have enforced it in the past, which has set a precedent. But even with the community policing and "outing" the shade-vulchers, HTC probably doesn't want to have to spend their time researching and enforcing these cases (nor should they have to spend time doing so).
I do agree that something should be done to close this loophole, however. I agree with those who think that shade-vulching is a form of cheating, in that it cheats the perk system. Perk points are in place for a reason, to restrict the use of certain planes in the plane-set and limit their numbers in the arenas. Shade-vulching (or squad-fratricide) bypasses and abuses that system. Shooting down your complicit friend in Midwar should not allow you fly better planes in the Late War MA.
An easier way to deal with the issue, without requiring HTC to police and enforce it, is to simply make perks arena specific. Then shade-vulching in the midwar arena wouldn't enable anyone to fly more 262's (or other perk planes) in the LWMA. Yes, the shade-vulchers may then move it to the MA, but the higher population of players there would certainly make it harder to do without interference (especially once announced on 200).
My two cents on the subject...
:salute
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Well, The silence from that HTC staff and Seeing the same player doing the same thing tells me all I need to know. I wont be investing in this game until this kind of behavior is dealt with.
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I see shade vulchers as those kids who are trust fund babies, or parents are rich AF. You just gotta ignore the nice
Beemer(or 262) an move on. What 1 person is doing
is not really affecting the game.
My
2 cents
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I think we are the police force. They get outed for their misdeeds and we should treat them accordingly. ArchieD I've seen as a rook and I won't help him or give a check 6 until he pays for his crimes. Ostracize these abusers of the community as much as possible. :old:
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I see shade vulchers as those kids who are trust fund babies, or parents are rich AF. You just gotta ignore the nice
Beemer(or 262) an move on. What 1 person is doing
is not really affecting the game.
My
2 cents
It is affecting the game though, it affects the integrity of the game. Once the integrity of a game has been compromised, the game goes down hill.
ack-ack
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Then how do we take care of it as a community??
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Kill them in their cheater 262s.
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Kill them in their cheater 262s.
give me and a few
of m pals a 262 and we shall
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It is affecting the game though, it affects the integrity of the game. Once the integrity of a game has been compromised, the game goes down hill.
ack-ack
I couldn't agree more.
I was going to come back near the end of this month, but seeing how things seem to be going...That isn't going to happen. Thing about it is, You can say one small thing on 200 and get muted for 7 days. Vulch a shade account and...well...nothing happens.
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I couldn't agree more.
I was going to come back near the end of this month, but seeing how things seem to be going...That isn't going to happen. Thing about it is, You can say one small thing on 200 and get muted for 7 days. Vulch a shade account and...well...nothing happens.
be glad your not who :aok
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The problem with making rules is that there is then an obligation to enforce them. The problem seems to be that they have enforced it in the past, which has set a precedent. But even with the community policing and "outing" the shade-vulchers, HTC probably doesn't want to have to spend their time researching and enforcing these cases (nor should they have to spend time doing so).
It would be quite easy to flag potential violators in the server logs and quickly deal with them.
I agree with BiP. I currently have about a week to decide if I am willing to continue to support HT with my $15/mo. while he lets this continue although I'll probably give it one more month. Frankly, If he's getting an extra $15 from ArchieD and turns a blind eye he doesn't need mine and I'll stop giving it to him.
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Have any staff members commented on this?
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I recently heard of a bank robbery gone wrong in Belgium. A car chase ensued and shortly before capture, the robbers dumped 1 million Euro out the window on a busy street. Cops recovered 450k Euro the first day. Locals coughed up another 60k over the next 3 days. Almost half still missing. :uhoh The Mayor of the town has asked his people to do the right thing, but the only thing that has ensued is public debate over the morality of simply keeping money found on the street as the result of a bank robbery. (What. The. #$%#!????) And I thought America was sad. Zero moral compass (aka "idiocy") combined with an incentive to ignore the greater good is a very bad combination.
Defense of said "farming" is almost as bad as the original crime. The last thing anyone wants is to be shot down by some classless A-hole in a 262 who cheated the system to get his grubby paws on it. If it weren't for that sole possibility, I might actually feel pity for the hours spent farming the perks. The nature of right and wrong does not change simply because there is a router and ISP involved. People are sitting at the other end of every kill, and that is why cheating needs to be taken seriously, even in cartoon land. It is sad that there has been any debate on this subject, much less no clear corrective action. To tolerate such behavior is to devalue the product delivered to everyone else who pays their 15 bucks; that is a danger deserving respect from a business perspective.
Frenchy's take:
Sling some "COAD" that awards exactly zero, yes, ZERO (as in the number between -1 and +1, the number you just don't divide by) perks for any kills of players who constitute >5% of total player kills. FIXED.
OUT. :salute
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So if I log in at us worst hours first time
that your, and I kill
20 peeps, majority being the same
dedicated upper, you dint want me
to
have perks?
:aokl take it :D
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So it seems ArchieD is still in Vandals Squad...666thBarbariansfg ,
with these folks.
airstud
BippeeII Chump
Dan6 Fosterb
HotRod1 twoshay
VANDALS
Do you guys approve of it...c`mon ,
what say you..
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Potentially good reputation being trashed by the actions of one and inaction of a leader?
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So it seems ArchieD is still in Vandals Squad...666thBarbariansfg ,
with these folks.
airstud
BippeeII Chump
Dan6 Fosterb
HotRod1 twoshay
VANDALS
Do you guys approve of it...c`mon ,
what say you..
Well I don't care about perks. I don't care about points. I don't care about rank. I don't care about achievements. I do care about HTC getting mo' money and growing. So not only do I approve of it, I encourage it. I hope many more players open multiple accounts.
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Well the problem with this:
... I do care about HTC getting mo' money and growing. So not only do I approve of it, I encourage it. I hope many more players open multiple accounts.
... is this:
... Frankly, If he's getting an extra $15 from ArchieD and turns a blind eye he doesn't need mine and I'll stop giving it to him.
The effect isnt to increase HTC's revenue, just to replace players with integrity by players with none.
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Yep RTHolmes, can't fix stupid. Nerds will be nerds. It appears a lot of players DO give a hoot about score/rank/perks/achievements, contrary to what most of them say. They're outing themselves as nerds.
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you missed my point, allowing games to be taken over by cheaters kills the game.
DayZ mod is an excellent example - rampant hacking has reduced the number of players on public servers by 90% in the space of 6 months. no players = no revenue = no game.
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you missed my point, allowing games to be taken over by cheaters kills the game.
DayZ mod is an excellent example - rampant hacking has reduced the number of players on public servers by 90% in the space of 6 months. no players = no revenue = no game.
You fail to bring up that hackers in DayZ are doing things like instantly killing everyone on the map.
That is slightly more than shade vulching to fly perk planes.
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sure its a very extreme example, but the principle is the same.
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Cheating means that you're breaking the rules of the game. Since there are no rules against vulching shades, I guess the principle isn't the same at all.
By the way how does it kill the game for players who aren't big enough nerds to give a damn about score/perks/rank/achievements?
Did nerds using multiple accounts to power level alts in other online games kill those games? No, if anything it helped. And the tron suit clad Wilford Brimleys squeaked and moaned there too. There's always going to be malcontents and snitches, if we start catering to them that will surely kill the game.
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Well I don't care about perks. I don't care about points. I don't care about rank. I don't care about achievements. I do care about HTC getting mo' money and growing. So not only do I approve of it, I encourage it. I hope many more players open multiple accounts.
I like this guy! :aok :cheers:
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The nature of right and wrong does not change simply because there is a router and ISP involved.
-What he said.
Everybody knows it's wrong (unless they are born without a moral compass). HTC ignores it and Devil's Advocates/Griefers Inc. are defending it. It doesn't affect me one iota, except that I know it is wrong and reserve the right to expose tards for what they are.
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Cheating means that you're breaking the rules of the game. Since there are no rules against vulching shades, I guess the principle isn't the same at all.
Oh ok... this is a court of law, and if there's no code section specifically pointing to a violation, we must acquit! :rolleyes:
No. It's already been mentioned several times in several threads that the historic course of action from HTC was a wipe of perks and stats. This hasn't been disputed by anyone I saw. If there's a change in policy, we haven't heard directly from HTC, but your inference is their silence speaks volumes more than their track record. Wait for it... :rolleyes:
But, lets just assume that you're right. HTC has changed it's mind and HiTech really does <3 shade vulchers. The hundreds (thousands?) of other players who have an opinion as to right and wrong don't matter? One mo time... :rolleyes:
By the way how does it kill the game for players who aren't big enough nerds to give a damn about score/perks/rank/achievements?
For scores and achievements, it's little more than lameness of the highest order that doesn't impact gameplay. On those you technically have a point, but it's still silly and lame. If you like to champion silly and lame behavior, that's cool. Just be prepared for others to disagree.
Perks on the other hand are not vanity. They are in game cash for all intents and purpose. Gaining perks in any way other than the prescribed manner (legit combat) is cheating the system. Cheating the system with perks can and will lead to more frequent occurrence of perk planes, which will tip the balance of power. Good luck making the argument that a the Tempest, 262, -4, C-Hog, etc., aren't unbalancing planes.
Did nerds using multiple accounts to power level alts in other online games kill those games? No, if anything it helped. And the tron suit clad Wilford Brimleys squeaked and moaned there too. There's always going to be malcontents and snitches, if we start catering to them that will surely kill the game.
Oh ffs... tell me you sampled 1000 multiplayer games for the last ten years to come up with this conclusion. For a fourth time... :rolleyes:
If you didn't, you're just making a guess, and an illogical one at that. You're assuming that people, when faced with a choice, somewhat prefer to play games where there's cheating going on simply because this cheating brings in more accounts thereby bringing in more money to the developer, who will in turn improve a game that is flawed at the core because people circumvent mechanisms by cheating.
Yeah dude... I wanna play that game. :rolleyes:
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It would be quite easy to flag potential violators in the server logs and quickly deal with them.
I agree with BiP. I currently have about a week to decide if I am willing to continue to support HT with my $15/mo. while he lets this continue although I'll probably give it one more month. Frankly, If he's getting an extra $15 from ArchieD and turns a blind eye he doesn't need mine and I'll stop giving it to him.
you'd realy cancel over this? I think it's lame, and that some kind of solution shoul dbe investigated/deployed. But I'd never quit over it.
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you'd realy cancel over this?
Absolutely.
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Waa, I'm taking my ball and going home because someone isn't playing the way I deem correct. :cry
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Waa, I'm taking my ball and going home because someone isn't playing the way I deem correct. :cry
don't you shut up at times? I guess you're a DayZ 'player'
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don't you shut up at times? I guess you're a DayZ 'player'
I don't even know what DayZ is :headscratch:
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So what are
we as a community going to do??? Albiet are
options are limited, but we have a say and
should say something.
Pyro, hitech, skuzzy, what sayeth thee??
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Don't expect an answer from HTC; they take actions when necessary, but don't discuss allegations or outcomes with the player base.
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If it was a hacked game client that didn't charge you for perk planes, they'd be all over it. In this case, the net effect is effectively the same, and nothing's done.
I couldn't care less about score, but I don't like people getting something that should require actual gameplay for nothing.
Wiley.
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If it was a hacked game client that didn't charge you for perk planes, they'd be all over it. In this case, the net effect is effectively the same, and nothing's done.
I couldn't care less about score, but I don't like people getting something that should require actual gameplay for nothing.
Wiley.
Well its not for nothing. It is for 15 dollars and the time they spend shade vulching.
As for the people who would quit over it HA!
THE OUTRAGE!
Around and around we go...
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Waa, I'm taking my ball and going home because someone isn't playing the way I deem correct. :cry
Dude... This isn't about picks and ho shots.
You can argue that nobody should care (and you have), but there is absolutely no intended or valid game play reason to create another account simply to farm perks/stats/achievements.
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I recently came back into the game after canceling my account for over a year (I still paid for a few months, but ultimately decided to cancel. I had nearly 20 thousand fighter perks and 10 thousand GV perks (roughly). I rejoined the game with 0 on everything and manage to have over 200 fighter and 150 GV perks already.
I've been playing the game maybe a week now? point is the perks are there to earn - you EARN perks playing the game - if someone is cheating to get them - well frankly they should have all their perks taken away.
He can have his second account, but he should have all his perks wiped out.
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Frenchy's take:
Sling some "COAD" that awards exactly zero, yes, ZERO (as in the number between -1 and +1, the number you just don't divide by) perks for any kills of players who constitute >5% of total player kills. FIXED.
Or perhaps maybe perks should be RANK based. Killing a noob in tempest is as easy as killing a noob in a P-40. Now killing Joachim, or fester in anything...that's an achievement. So change the perks to..
Perk = [Bandit ENY/ Your ENY]*[PERK multiplier] * (3^([Bandit rank-Your rank]/1000)]/(1+ABS[Bandit rank-Your rank])
This would result in PERK RANK MULTIPLIER that would equal to 0.01 for a bandit with a rank that was 3000 below yours, effectively making shade vulching a waste of time.
It would result in PERK RANK MULTIPLIER that would equal to 1 for a bandit with a rank that was equal to yours, keeping near equal players at the same perk system as today.
It would result in PERK RANK MULTIPLIER that would equal to about 7 for a bandit with a rank that was 3000 above yours giving a nice bonus for noobs killing the games top aces.
The result would be to reduce the perks for top killers and highest ranked players since they are always higher that everyone else. Hre is the PERK RANK MULTIPLIER curve
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7373/8721183280_ede9a64776_c.jpg)
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Or perhaps maybe perks should be RANK based. Killing a noob in tempest is as easy as killing a noob in a P-40.
Since rank is so easily manipulated (and certain aspects by using the same techniques to farm perks), your solution contains a huge flaw.
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Or perhaps maybe perks should be RANK based. Killing a noob in tempest is as easy as killing a noob in a P-40. Now killing Joachim, or fester in anything...that's an achievement. So change the perks to..
Perk = [Bandit ENY/ Your ENY]*[PERK multiplier] * (3^([Bandit rank-Your rank]/1000)]/(1+ABS[Bandit rank-Your rank])
No. Tempest is a bad example because at best, it's a BnZ brick. A really good, fast BnZ brick, but a BnZ brick.
Put the noob in a spixteen and he's got a ton more options that he's more likely to use than if he's in a P-40 or I-16.
Experten, you're right it doesn't matter what they fly.
Tying it to rank would encourage more jockeying for score and rank, probably in terms of sandbagging to get a better multiplier. That's the last thing this game needs, IMO.
Wiley.
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No. Tempest is a bad example because at best, it's a BnZ brick. A really good, fast BnZ brick, but a BnZ brick.
Put the noob in a spixteen and he's got a ton more options that he's more likely to use than if he's in a P-40 or I-16.
Experten, you're right it doesn't matter what they fly.
Tying it to rank would encourage more jockeying for score and rank, probably in terms of sandbagging to get a better multiplier. That's the last thing this game needs, IMO.
Wiley.
Wiley, thanks for the feedback as alway :salute
but my point is that you can't jockey for score by sandbagging. ;)
The way I see it... If a players wants to play for Rank, he makes himself tough to kill. If you kill him you get more perks. But killing him is rare so not a lot of perk bonuses get generated. If you vulch a bunch of turkeys you won't get much in the way of perks. Your saying the problem is that a player would let himself get killed over and over again, trashing his rank, so he'll have a perk bump when he finally starts killing people, so he could fly a 262? But he doesn't make perks by getting himself killed over and over. he only makes perks, after he trashed his rank, then flying around and killing players much higher than his rank. (2000K higher gets him a perk bump a 2) not really worth dropping two thousand spots just to double you perk bonus. You get there much faster by winning all those encounters you're losing on purpose to get the perk bump.
It needs development, but I like the idea of rank affecting perks, and perks affecting Rank.
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Since rank is so easily manipulated (and certain aspects by using the same techniques to farm perks), your solution contains a huge flaw.
I used to think that killing based on rank would be better too. then again look at mine.
semp
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Since rank is so easily manipulated (and certain aspects by using the same techniques to farm perks), your solution contains a huge flaw.
Hmm, I accept your challenge. :D
Can you think of a scenario where my proposed system would be manipulated, and to what benefit? Would that manipulation be more or less than the system manipulation today? :salute
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I used to think that killing based on rank would be better too. then again look at mine.
semp
That's how the scoring was done in AW, it was based off the other person's rank you shot down. AW had an internal rank system (not viewable to regular players) and if Player A had a better rank than Player B, Player A received less points for shooting down Player B. However, if Player B (with the lower rank) shot down Player A (with the higher rank), Player B scored more points than if Player A had shot him down. It was also a system designed with diminishing returns, for example if Player A repeatedly shot down Player B, Player A would receive less points for each subsequent kill.
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... for example if Player A repeatedly shot down Player B, Player A would receive less points for each subsequent kill.
Aye. However, I was of the impression that any interruption (shooting down someone else) reset the equation.
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Arlo why are you talking like a pirate?
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Cause he Is Dang man he Flies with a bunch of pirates Argh!!!!!!!! :devil
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+1 for Vinkman's Idea.
They instituted the 12 hour sideswitcher rule for people gaming the game so I think they should address this issue also. Though personally I have not been effected by the perk farmers only the Vulch farmers. :D
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+1 for Vinkman's Idea.
They instituted the 12 hour sideswitcher rule for people gaming the game so I think they should address this issue also. Though personally I have not been effected by the perk farmers only the Vulch farmers. :D
Easy start would be no cross over of perk points from 1 arena to the next. Maybe the hammer should fall on some of these people nad this might slow it down a bit. Some things I read for the AH TOS.
6. Either you or HiTech Creations may terminate your HiTech Creations membership at any time, with or without cause.
11. Subscribers are expressly prohibited from engaging in any activity that constitutes, in the sole opinion of HiTech Creations, system abuse.
To me number 11 fits in real well here :salute
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Arlo why are you talking like a pirate?
I was fair impressed by yaaaaar avataaaaaaaaar.
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For those who went to bed early last night, channel 200 provided a window into the world of shade vulchers and their defenders. I will paraphrase for brevity. :)
Me: What's the deal with the shade vulcher Archie?
ArchieD Squaddie: It's none of my business.
Me: For real? In your squad and you don't really care?
ArchieD Squaddie: HiTech took care of it. NOW STFU YOU'RE MAKING ME UNCOMFORTABLE AND I DON'T KNOW HOW TO RESPOND!!
200 Resident: ArchieD is a great pilot. Ya'll need to leave him alone. O)
Me: If he's so good, why does he need to shade vulch?
200 Resident: To fly more 262's of course! Duh! O)
Me: Shade vulching for deuces tends to not be the mark of a good pilot.
200 Resident: I'd fly with him wherever he goes. I <3 ArchieD. Also, the moon phase is correct for me to argue an indefensible or unprovable point on 200. O)
ArchieD Squaddie: <one word comment because he has nothing better to say>
Jim Ross: What's that sound? Good God, it's ArchieD! - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywrZ8E_d4MY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywrZ8E_d4MY)
ArchieD: Ha! I've been monitoring 200 this whole time! Got you guys good! Yeah I shade vulch because I'm fighting the power and oppression of AH. I'm a freedom fighter and you guys take this game too seriously! Lolz!
This convo was followed by the appearance of The Artist Formerly Known As Drkhorse on my vox. His shade vulching defense was much different than that taken by Team Archie. The Artist still claims he never shade vulched but only beat up on one guy when he was really drunk one night. I pointed out that the stats show a much different story. A big long duuuuuuuuuuuur followed. Thankfully I was hammered so all of the above seemed like tons o' fun. :aok
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Shade vulchers are scum, no better than any other kind of cheat. :old:
It's a pity that nothing has been done thus far to prevent this shade vulching behaviour within in AcesHigh.
Epidemic waiting to happen.
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Yeah, I was on when ArchieD stating he didn't care and that it was his $15 to do whatever he likes in game. It was funny that a few actually think ArchieD is a good pilot.
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BRING BACK CHUTE SHOOTING
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BRING BACK CHUTE SHOOTING
Oh it's still there. Had some guy send me nerd rage vox PM last night after I shot his chute. Frankly, I thought his tirade on vox was rather rude as I was actually doing him a service by putting him in the tower and into a new plane quicker than he would have if he stayed in his chute.
And it's not like the meat bag dangling at the bottom of the silk canopy is defenseless, he's got a .45 pistol. I just wish we can do other stuff to chutes other than shoot them, like use our props to chop up the little guy as he dangles or snag the chute on our wings and drag the guy around the sky in his chute.
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Oh it's still there. Had some guy send me nerd rage vox PM last night after I shot his chute. Frankly, I thought his tirade on vox was rather rude as I was actually doing him a service by putting him in the tower and into a new plane quicker than he would have if he stayed in his chute.
And it's not like the meat bag dangling at the bottom of the silk canopy is defenseless, he's got a .45 pistol. I just wish we can do other stuff to chutes other than shoot them, like use our props to chop up the little guy as he dangles or snag the chute on our wings and drag the guy around the sky in his chute.
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Doesn't that affect his score? If he bails he needs to end sortie to Bail successfully. If so he gets 50% of the sortie points. If you kill him, he gets25%.
If you kill his chute, he counts as a deathm not a bailed successfully, correct?
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Doesn't that affect his score? If he bails he needs to end sortie to Bail successfully. If so he gets 50% of the sortie points. If you kill him, he gets25%.
If you kill his chute, he counts as a deathm not a bailed successfully, correct?
I really don't give a rat's bellybutton what the effect on his score will be if I shoot his chute. If the other guy is so keen on keeping his score up then he should get better so he won't be forced to hit the silk.
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Open low. Just not too low. :lol
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he didn't care and that it was his $15 to do whatever he likes in game.
And to imagine I was once called a detriment to this game by someone. HA!
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Some1 was back at it in EW :noid :bolt:
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And to imagine I was once called a detriment to this game by someone. HA!
.....well that was for different reasons, and they still stand. :neener:
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Some1 was back at it in EW :noid :bolt:
It can't be! Team Archie declared that HTC took care of it AND Archie had changed his ways! :old: