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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: SkyRock on April 10, 2013, 01:46:50 PM
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I got a bud who is convinced planes are spraying barium all over the place.... I've known him for a long time and he is not a bad guy, just fell into this hoax... I'm kind of stumped on how to pull him back to reality.
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Perhaps you can explain to him what a vapor trail is.
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Perhaps you can explain to him what a vapor trail is.
I've done that... There is just so much of this conspiracy "chemtrail" crap out there and he is eating it up like a fat kid and a box of twinkies... it's got to the point where I am avoiding him after 31 years of being real close friends. He sent me an audio clip of this guy talking about the military dumping "gigatons" of barium in our atmosphere.... just so far out there I don't know how to respond...
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It is sad that people cannot/do not do basic research on these things before screaming 'IT'S A CONSPIRACY'.
Being a plane jocky for most of my life hearing someone say the contrails from an A320 are chemical's being used against us just makes me do this:
(https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRRhqKgQYelGcGau5c6aIjyg4yRbaJLslYgW4QEcgB55-xCnPo3EA)
SR my only idea would be to get some exact facts on contrails, ex. where they come from, why they are there, what causes them, etc etc. and prove to him these are just natural occurrences in aircraft.
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FYI, you really smart people dont no nuthin looks like to meh. The gubment is sprayin Barrium everwhere which masks the aliens ability to get gud return pings from all the abductees they have implanted. I'm personally very thankful cuz I aint been picked up and probed for almost 8 munths now.
Barrium is my friend :)
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(http://www.100thbg.com/mainmenus/349th/images01/1_16_1.jpg)
I guess piston engine B-17's were spraying barium, too.
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Yes, they tested it on Germany first!
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“Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the differance”
― Mark Twain
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The problem with conspiracy theories is that they tend to do this judo thing with contradictory information, that is they see evidence against the conspiracy as just more evidence of the expanse and deviousness of the conspiracy. For this reason I don,t think it is possible to talk him out of it with logic and facts.
On the other hand, while I'm no psychologist, I would suspect that the great attraction of conspiracy theories is that they offer the illusion of greater understanding and a sort of control over the mystery of life. It might help take the edge off if you didn't try to convince him that he's wrong, but just let him know that you don't believe and whenever it comes up you will insist on changing the subject but that you value him as one of your oldest friends. If you want to make the effort you could try to do activities with him that are new and would be interesting for him. Try to dilute the obsession.
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you can tell him that barium is being used by the government as a free service as it is used as an X-ray radiocontrast agent for imaging the human gastrointestinal tract. in other words, if he goes to the doctor right know and takes an xray of his gastrointestinal tract, he will be able to see his head in there.
semp
edit: tell him that we have bigger problems to worry about. for example the conspiracy to hide dihydrogen monoxide problems for the population.
http://www.dhmo.org/facts.html#CONCERN
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Just tell him it's being done as a prep for his next enema! :devil
:salute
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Pembquist's suggestion is a potential way of dealing with it. I've got some friends with a few funny ideas too, thankfully not having reached the level of an 'obsession', but trying to steer them away into other subjects/activities is a possibility.
Unfortunately, sometimes it's really difficult to do and doesn't always work.
One question I'd ask myself if I were you is, are you willing to look past his funny ideas to still be friends with him? I don't mean it as, 'You've got to be more openminded and accepting of other ideas!' but just, can you live with him being deluded and still be friends? Possibly move past trying to set him straight and pull him back to reality?
I know for myself there's a certain level of WTF that will just make me go, 'Nope, you're not worth it.' I guess it's up to you where to draw that line with this guy.
Sucks when that kind of thing happens. Best of luck with it.
Wiley.
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The Chemtrails hoax is really a diversion to keep their attention away from the real evil.. HAARP..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Frequency_Active_Auroral_Research_Program
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Yup, I think he's too far gone to convince him otherwise, and I am sure this will get worse before it gets better... thanks for the input fellas, it's greatly appreciated.
Mark
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The Chemtrails hoax is really a diversion to keep their attention away from the real evil.. HAARP..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Frequency_Active_Auroral_Research_Program
Haarp, chemtrails, reptillian agenda... I've been informed of them all.... the hollow moon, the hollow earth... I mean it's frickin ridiculus...
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Haarp, chemtrails, reptillian agenda... I've been informed of them all.... the hollow moon, the hollow earth... I mean it's frickin ridiculus...
Hmmm and no mention of secret German bases in the Antarctica? Maybe even a hint of the Alien war being secretly fought in space. He cant be all that wrapped up if he left those 2 critical things out!
It's a passing phase but if he wants I can send him a link that will keep him busy for about a year or 2........ :devil At least you wont have to avoid him as he'll be far to busy reading up on the NWO and a couple hundred other conspiracy theories.
:salute
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Haarp, chemtrails, reptillian agenda... I've been informed of them all.... the hollow moon, the hollow earth... I mean it's frickin ridiculus...
Not sure I'd lump HAARP in with the lizard people. There are several HAARP sites across the planet. Wtf is the point of superheating the ionosphere anyway?
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you can tell him that barium is being used by the government as a free service as it is used as an X-ray radiocontrast agent for imaging the human gastrointestinal tract. in other words, if he goes to the doctor right know and takes an xray of his gastrointestinal tract, he will be able to see his head in there.
:rofl :rofl :rofl
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(http://www.100thbg.com/mainmenus/349th/images01/1_16_1.jpg)
I guess piston engine B-17's were spraying barium, too.
Actually RPM's photo might be a good start. Funny thing I remember hearing fighter pilots talking about the "Con Line" The altitude where the air is cold enough for you to create contrails.
They would avoided making contrails while doing ACM Training.
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He should be wearing a respirator at all times.
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I got one of them neighbors too! I've known him to be a "normal" guy too until he brought that up with me one day. I left that convo shakin my head. No way I could convince him they were just vapor trails. And he's tellin me all the airlines are in on it too! LOL amazing!
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Just show him rpm's pic and tell him that it must be a 60 year old technology.
My cousin is a mech for Delta, I wonder how they hide it from him or keep his mouth shut?
You should smell my sarcasm by now.
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Well, I didn't believe in Chemtrails either really..
Although cloud seeding has been used in various places around the world for yrs.. This was done in Vietnam to flood the trails from the north, cause the failure of the Rice Crops etc etc.. So all this is not without precedent..
Never paid much attention to it.. But last yr, I saw the stuff happen right over my own backyard..
Not contrails, and definitely intentional..
Have vid and pics..
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Well, I didn't believe in Chemtrails either really..
Although cloud seeding has been used in various places around the world for yrs.. This was done in Vietnam to flood the trails from the north, cause the failure of the Rice Crops etc etc.. So all this is not without precedent..
Never paid much attention to it.. But last yr, I saw the stuff happen right over my own backyard..
Not contrails, and definitely intentional..
Have vid and pics..
Please share. I won't tell Will Smith or Tommy Lee Jones
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Have vid and pics..
What are you waiting for...post them.
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Takes a pic hosting account to post here, or I would..
Don't have one!
I mean really, I stated a fact.. If you don't wanna believe, that's OK with me..
Doesn't matter..
The stuff is real tho..
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tell him that its just a free wax job on his tin hat.... :noid
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Takes a pic hosting account to post here, or I would..
Don't have one!
I mean really, I stated a fact.. If you don't wanna believe, that's OK with me..
Doesn't matter..
The stuff is real tho..
That's not the response I was expecting. I figured you were going to say that the pictures and videos are on actual film and you have no way to develop it. And, even if you did you'd have to scan it to post it but you don't have access to a scanner.
If all that is holding you back from posting the evidence is lack of access to a hosting site I'm sure there are people on this message board that could help you overcome that hurdle.
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Why should he post it? So a bunch of mouthy a-holes can pig pile him?
I have a few conversations with people about the chem/contrail thing. One thing I have noticed, or maybe didn't notice before, was how long some contrails hang in the air. What is the "life expectancy" for a contrail anyway? I've seen planes at lower altitudes leave huge contrails that hang there for well over a hour while planes at higher altitudes have their contrails dissipate soon after they appear. What causes that?
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Difference in temperature, humidity. Could be a lot of things. I don't really know a whole lot about them other than they are oddly amusing to look at while you are floating around your pool, those things just seem like the most likely.
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I've seen planes at lower altitudes leave huge contrails that hang there for well over a hour while planes at higher altitudes have their contrails dissipate soon after they appear. What causes that?
Same thing that causes clouds to linger or disperse.
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SkyRock, sometimes you just have to let go.
Tell him the spraying is to separate the intelligent from the gullible, it's up to him to figure out what that actually means.
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Why should he post it? So a bunch of mouthy a-holes can pig pile him?
I have a few conversations with people about the chem/contrail thing. One thing I have noticed, or maybe didn't notice before, was how long some contrails hang in the air. What is the "life expectancy" for a contrail anyway? I've seen planes at lower altitudes leave huge contrails that hang there for well over a hour while planes at higher altitudes have their contrails dissipate soon after they appear. What causes that?
The persistence of contrails is all about relative humidity. At the temperatures which they form (usually -40° or colder, which is the same in F or C) those ice crystals cannot evaporate (or melt obviously). The only way contrails dissipate is through sublimation (think dry ice), and the rate at which they can sublimate is proportional to the relative humidity. The higher the RHI the longer it takes for those ice crystals to sublimate. If the air is very dry they will dissipate in minutes or less, if it is very near saturated they can linger for hours, if the humidity is high enough they can even grow larger as they float down through reverse sublimation as the moisture in the air comes in contact with the ice crystals and freezes too (kind of like how cloud seeding works.)
I am always open to new evidence, and I enjoy the mystery of a good conspiracy theory. (Talk to me about Sasquatch) I'm also an aviation geek, weather geek and A&P mechanic... like I said I'm always open, but I've listened to all the chemtrail theories, seen all the pictures, seen the youtube videos, even watched some hour long documentary... so far I have found absolutely no compelling argument, or evidence to lead me to believe there is any malignant secret spraying happening in our skies.
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Same thing that causes clouds to linger or disperse.
Exactly. If the plane was able to remain motionless it would make a giant cloud of condensation. But, it can't just hover so it leaves it as a trail of condensation, a/k/a contrail.
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For those interested I discovered this site a while ago.
NASAs contrail forecast page.
http://cloudsgate2.larc.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/site/showdoc?docid=33&cmd=latest
I followed it once last summer and found that they are actually pretty accurate in their forecast.
Skyrock:
I know it probably won't sway your friend (once a person is invested in a believe they are not easily swayed).. but if he's open to it you could have him do some reading on this website. www.contrailscience.com
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The persistence of contrails is all about relative humidity. At the temperatures which they form (usually -40° or colder, which is the same in F or C) those ice crystals cannot evaporate (or melt obviously). The only way contrails dissipate is through sublimation (think dry ice), and the rate at which they can sublimate is proportional to the relative humidity. The higher the RHI the longer it takes for those ice crystals to sublimate. If the air is very dry they will dissipate in minutes or less, if it is very near saturated they can linger for hours, if the humidity is high enough they can even grow larger as they float down through reverse sublimation as the moisture in the air comes in contact with the ice crystals and freezes too (kind of like how cloud seeding works.)
I am always open to new evidence, and I enjoy the mystery of a good conspiracy theory. (Talk to me about Sasquatch) I'm also an aviation geek, weather geek and A&P mechanic... like I said I'm always open, but I've listened to all the chemtrail theories, seen all the pictures, seen the youtube videos, even watched some hour long documentary... so far I have found absolutely no compelling argument, or evidence to lead me to believe there is any malignant secret spraying happening in our skies.
Thanks :aok
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It seems ze germans, british, and americans are all in on a caper going back to the battle of britain.
Or.....you can tell him he sounds like this person in the video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_c6HsiixFS8
(http://www.nzhistory.net.nz/files/styles/fullsize/public/images/smoke-trails.jpg)
(http://thetwentiethcentury.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/watching-a-dogfight-between-american-and-luftwaffe-planes.jpg?w=700)
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It seems ze germans, british, and americans are all in on a caper going back to the battle of britain.
Or.....you can tell him he sounds like this person in the video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_c6HsiixFS8
(http://www.nzhistory.net.nz/files/styles/fullsize/public/images/smoke-trails.jpg)
(http://thetwentiethcentury.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/watching-a-dogfight-between-american-and-luftwaffe-planes.jpg?w=700)
"It's the gayness coming out of the Earth. RUN!"
:rofl
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If they are freaked out by condensation, I wonder what they think the Northern Lights actually are?
(http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02134/aurora-main_2134879b.jpg)
:noid
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What Barium?
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it is really hard to keep a straight face when someone asks me if I have heard about government/terrorist plot using dihydrogen monoxide. :rofl :rofl :rofl
LtngRydr
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_seeding
Your friend is not exactly insane, but they are not doing it to hurt anyone. They are doing it to keep food on your table by diverting water to areas that are in severe drought.
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Cloud seeding, a form of intentional weather modification, is the attempt to change the amount or type of precipitation that falls from clouds, by dispersing substances into the air that serve as cloud condensation or ice nuclei, which alter the microphysical processes within the cloud. The usual intent is to increase precipitation (rain or snow), but hail and fog suppression are also widely practiced in airports.
This image explaining cloud seeding shows the chemical either silver iodine or dry ice being dumped onto the cloud which then becomes a rain shower. The process shown in the upper right is what is happening in the cloud and the process of condensation to the introduced chemicals.
Sources for image: http://www.fletcherboland.com/photos/mountains/11.php
The most common chemicals used for cloud seeding include silver iodide and dry ice (solid carbon dioxide). Liquid propane, which expands into a gas, has also been used. This can produce ice crystals at higher temperatures than silver iodide. The use of hygroscopic materials, such as salt, is becoming more popular[citation needed] after promising research.[1]
Seeding of clouds requires that they contain supercooled liquid water—that is, liquid water colder than zero degrees Celsius. Introduction of a substance such as silver iodide, which has a crystalline structure similar to that of ice, will induce freezing nucleation.
Are they dropping chemicals, yes. They are therefor chemtrails, yes.
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Just tell him it's being done as a prep for his next enema! :devil
:salute
Better yet, buy some calcium tablets and sell them as 'anti-barium treatment' for 10-fold price :D
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Yeah well, I know all that contrail stuff.. Seen contrails a million times, know what they are.. Can't hardly be a WW2 Aviation buff an NOT know what contrails are about, huh??? :lol
This, that I recorded, was most definitely NOT contrails..
Blazin hot July day, CHRISTAL BLUE SKY, plane flys by, very high, (no contrail), then magically a small rainbow appears on the backtrack of the plane, then a cloud starts to spawn out of this magic rainbow, keeps expanding until there is a whole band of these magic clouds.. Seriously, no BS..
Now, that is what I saw happen, you ppl can yammer all ya want about it, doesn't change doodley squat! :lol
And you would be surprised how many "Well educated" people will sign a petition to ban "Dihydrogen Monoxide"!
Holy Smokes :uhoh
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Fuel dump? Radar test? Swamp gas? Chupacabra?
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There was a report recently that conspiracy fans tend to have an excess of dopamine in their brains. This leads them to see patterns where there are none. Nothing will divert them from this belief. If your friend is of this type, there is nothing you can do for him unless you can reduce his dopamine levels. You'll find he believes in other conspiracy theories too. Fake moon landings, 9/11, alien abductions etc.
If on the other hand he's one of those people who came across the idea and found it plausible, because of course superficially some of it is plausible if you don't know the facts behind contrails. You might have a chance of talking him out of it. But it will be tough because it's a complex subject and there's always something hard to explain.
But if you like you can have great fun with it. I remember a group from a pilot forum started accessing a chemtrail forum. Some tried to explain the science but just got banned. Eventually we just kept re-registering and stirring them up. I was actually accused of being in the pay of the US government and was one of those pilots involved in the spraying. If only! If anyone in the US government is reading this, please PM me. I'm ready to spray those nuts! :salute
I also came across a youtube video of what was identified as an Air France jet 'spraying' Ireland. When I commented that it was unlikely the French would be spraying Ireland. It got very spooky when OP began to send me PM, addressing me by my first name and accusing me of being one of the pilots involved. :noid
But I have to say the French don't pay nearly as well as the US. So no way would I work for them. :rofl
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I remember watching a moon landing conspiracy show where the theorists proof was a flag waving with no wind, no person there to take the photograph and vacuum would have made their suits swell so much hey couldn't move.
The counter was a shaking pole the flag was hung from, a LM mounted camera and showing how the suits were designed to hold their form. Plus they had Buzz Aldren saying "I was there!" :old:
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What causes that?
Physics.
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I've met a guy who thinks the holocoust never happened and I hamve friends who swear to god 9/11 is a hoax or a planned action by the goverment. :bhead
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Why should he post it? So a bunch of mouthy a-holes can pig pile him?
I have a few conversations with people about the chem/contrail thing. One thing I have noticed, or maybe didn't notice before, was how long some contrails hang in the air. What is the "life expectancy" for a contrail anyway? I've seen planes at lower altitudes leave huge contrails that hang there for well over a hour while planes at higher altitudes have their contrails dissipate soon after they appear. What causes that?
Different humidity at different altitudes.... the higher the humidity, the longer the trail will linger.... also temp is a factor...
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Different humidity at different altitudes.... the higher the humidity, the longer the trail will linger.... also temp is a factor...
And the amount of barium ;)
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And the amount of barium ;)
Along with the amount of reefer being smoked, I would imagine...
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_seeding
Your friend is not exactly insane, but they are not doing it to hurt anyone. They are doing it to keep food on your table by diverting water to areas that are in severe drought.
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Cloud seeding, a form of intentional weather modification, is the attempt to change the amount or type of precipitation that falls from clouds, by dispersing substances into the air that serve as cloud condensation or ice nuclei, which alter the microphysical processes within the cloud. The usual intent is to increase precipitation (rain or snow), but hail and fog suppression are also widely practiced in airports.
This image explaining cloud seeding shows the chemical either silver iodine or dry ice being dumped onto the cloud which then becomes a rain shower. The process shown in the upper right is what is happening in the cloud and the process of condensation to the introduced chemicals.
Sources for image: http://www.fletcherboland.com/photos/mountains/11.php
The most common chemicals used for cloud seeding include silver iodide and dry ice (solid carbon dioxide). Liquid propane, which expands into a gas, has also been used. This can produce ice crystals at higher temperatures than silver iodide. The use of hygroscopic materials, such as salt, is becoming more popular[citation needed] after promising research.[1]
Seeding of clouds requires that they contain supercooled liquid water—that is, liquid water colder than zero degrees Celsius. Introduction of a substance such as silver iodide, which has a crystalline structure similar to that of ice, will induce freezing nucleation.
Are they dropping chemicals, yes. They are therefor chemtrails, yes.
No one is denying that there is cloud seeding, and it is certainly not secretive at all. A quick google search will bring up several cloud seeding/weather mod companies, all eager for business.
There is a big difference between cloud seeding and this chemtrail conspiracy though.
-1st: To "seed" a cloud, there must first BE a cloud. You will not see them cloud seeding on a blue skies day. The process only serves to give the moisture in a cloud a particle to latch onto so it will grow large enough to fall. It DOES NOT make clouds.
-2nd: Cloud seeding is done at much lower altitudes, then the altitudes where contrails are created... ie In the clouds.
-3rd: Most cloud seeding planes are not passenger or cargo jets. They are usually light singles or twins.
-4th: Cloud seeding is usually done by the burning of silver iodine flares (the smoke containing the nuclei for raindrops to form on) not spraying anything. And even if you could see the trail of smoke (which you wouldn't because they're flying in the clouds remember) it would look noting at all like a contrail/chemtrail.
Cloud seeding is an accepted agricultural process that has happened for decades, there is nothing secretive or conspiratorial about it. I is by and large done by private entrepreneurs, and is most definitely NOT run by some secret government kabal, new world order, or illuminati.
Cloud seeding = legitimate business
Chemtrails = conspiracy BS
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Oh ok, i get what your point at now.
:salute
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Yeah well, I know all that contrail stuff.. Seen contrails a million times, know what they are.. Can't hardly be a WW2 Aviation buff an NOT know what contrails are about, huh??? :lol
This, that I recorded, was most definitely NOT contrails..
Blazin hot July day, CHRISTAL BLUE SKY, plane flys by, very high, (no contrail), then magically a small rainbow appears on the backtrack of the plane, then a cloud starts to spawn out of this magic rainbow, keeps expanding until there is a whole band of these magic clouds.. Seriously, no BS..
Now, that is what I saw happen, you ppl can yammer all ya want about it, doesn't change doodley squat! :lol
And you would be surprised how many "Well educated" people will sign a petition to ban "Dihydrogen Monoxide"!
Holy Smokes :uhoh
Nothing about your description sounds all that unusual to me. So there was a rainbow? So what, remember that ice crystals make decent prisms if the angle of light is right. It spread out? So what, I've already explained how relative humidity affects the persistence of contrails. It grew into other clouds? Yup, that happens to, it's called reverse sublimation, when the air is very near 100% RHI the super cooled ice crystals of the contrail can actually cause the moisture in the air to condense/freeze creating more ice crystals.
Also could have been a combination of other factors to make the contrail look strange. Perhaps he was dumping fuel at the same time. Maybe an engine was running on the rich side. Perhaps it was not only engine contrails but wingtip and TE vortices as well, with enough moisture in the air they can also create persistent contrails (you see it at airshows all the time in high G maneuvers, but it is not cold enough down low for them to stick around) which would also explain why it lingered and spread.
One last thing. Where you by chance wearing polarized sunglasses when you saw this? I ask because polarized lenses often make rainbows appear when you can't see them with the naked eye, also they make contrails look darker against the blue sky then they really are. They sometimes also let you see exhaust and fuel trails behind aircraft that are also invisible to the naked eye.
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Hey Mark,
The only thing I can say is to ask your friend to politely back off if you don't agree with him. I think friends will stick with each other even when they are going through an opininated transition. I would just say to him that, "hey I love you but most of us don't agree with you and cool off a little."
Most of us go through wierd spots in our life. I don't think backing away from a long time friend is the answer. Just my 2 cents.
Unless there is a dire chemical change in his brain.... :rolleyes:
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I've seen documentaries on chem-trails. The documentaries I've seen are not from sensationalistic freaks like Alex Jones but interviews with scientist who are proported experts in the field.
I have also seen interviews debunking chem-trails as water vapor not dissipating for hours because of temperature and pressure.
Are chemtrails plausable? Perhaps....
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The contrails that make me wonder are the ones that fan out across a clear sky and seem to turn into clouds after a few hours. :noid
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Hehe, this thread reminds me of this youtube vid:
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2dvv-Yib1Xg (http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2dvv-Yib1Xg)
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The contrails that make me wonder are the ones that fan out across a clear sky and seem to turn into clouds after a few hours. :noid
I think a lot of people here just post without actually bothering to read the thread.
I've already explained twice how that is a perfectly normal and natural phenomenon.
Like I said, I love a good conspiracy, and I'm actually really into the whole cryptozoology thing. But nothing in the "chemtrail" stuff stands up to the slightest scrutiny. I've seen the documentaries too, sure some "expert scientists" spout off some big words, but it's total junk science. They completely butcher the scientific method, they work it backwards, (ie. start with a conclusion, and then twist the findings to fit is somehow.) Also you have no idea how "creative" some producer got in editing in order to make someone seem to be saying the opposite of what they really mean.
And then of course there is outright lying.
One example. You've heard of Bart Sibrel, he's behind several of the Moon landing hoax "documentaries". In one he goes off about how Apollo astronauts could not have survived the Van Allen radiation belt, and supported his claim with quotes from Dr. Van Allen himself. Very convincing right? The facts about Van Allen belts coming from THE man who discovered them. Well when somebody who actually KNEW Dr. Van Allen heard this he decided to talk to the man himself. Turns out Sibrel just completely made up the quotes by taking snippets out of context and connecting them together, except without using the standard ... ... to denote they are snippets. Van Allen never said anything of the sort, in fact he said quite the opposite. Since that documentary I have seen those phony Van Allen quotes pop up with Moon landing hoax believers all over.
Point is that just because a film calls itself a documentary, and seems to have genuine scientists in it doesn't mean anything in said film is genuine at all. Once again those kinds of documentaries get the scientific method totally basackwards. They START with a conclusion (as opposed to a hypothesis) then twist everything to fit the conclusion they've already made.
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I showed my cousin this thread (he's a psychiatrist) and while I'm not a certified doctor, I'm passing on his words of advice.
Your friend should see a professional and get help, this kind of conspiracy theory has the potential to escalate and some people even loose their minds. It would be different if it was something like the moon landing that happened 40 years ago, but this is something that he is exposed to every day. He can go outside, look up and see the vapor trails. If he's already gotten to the point of obsession then he's beyond the point of trying to convince him otherwise. He will deny that there is anything wrong with him because in his mind, it all makes sense.
While I'm not saying that's what you have to do, I tend to agree with my cousin. He pointed out my paranoia and helped me get over it (still recovering a bit). If you at least don't try to get him help, keep an eye on him. If he gets worse then bring the help to him if need be.
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Are chemtrails plausable? Perhaps....
I contend that the humongous scale and scope of this conspiracy is what makes it so very implausible.
If we take this conspiracy as it's presented, then we are talking about worldwide organization, involving hundreds of large aircraft operating daily, thousands of pilots, even more mechanics and ground supports, who knows how many employed in the manufacture and delivery of the chemical spray. Heck even ATC would have to be in on it. (I kinda think they might notice an airliner just flying a grid all day going nowhere)
An operation of such magnitude can't remain secret for 20 or 30 years. It would be like UPS or FedEx air freight operating for 20 years with nobody noticing them. (I know, I know, the chemtrail believers are screaming COMPARTMENTALIZATION at me as they read this... sorry, still don't buy it.)
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The problem with conspiracy theories is that they tend to do this judo thing with contradictory information, that is they see evidence against the conspiracy as just more evidence of the expanse and deviousness of the conspiracy. For this reason I don,t think it is possible to talk him out of it with logic and facts.
On the other hand, while I'm no psychologist, I would suspect that the great attraction of conspiracy theories is that they offer the illusion of greater understanding and a sort of control over the mystery of life. It might help take the edge off if you didn't try to convince him that he's wrong, but just let him know that you don't believe and whenever it comes up you will insist on changing the subject but that you value him as one of your oldest friends. If you want to make the effort you could try to do activities with him that are new and would be interesting for him. Try to dilute the obsession.
I think the quote is great advice.
Mental illness is a tough one to deal with especially when it is in your context ( OP ).
I think something to notice is change over time. Iv'e met many people that I would call "crazy". They are quite interesting in many ways but some of there beliefs or habits are quite strange and seem to be definable in psychiatry. Like being scared of snakes for example. These people may be quite harmless and just believe what they believe. It does not necessarily mean they are having trouble getting along in life.
What is important is that the person function normally with typical aspects of his life. If one does not shower, or eats only one kind of food or other quite obvious signs of mental issues and believes in a totally fantasy then that is when it becomes a very serious issue.
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I contend that the humongous scale and scope of this conspiracy is what makes it so very implausible.
I don't blame you for not "buying" into it. I am not fully convinced either and tend to lean your way on the opinion. A few in those documentaries look at chem-trails as not conspiracy, but a geoengineering masterpiece that benefits the population.
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Mental illness is a tough one to deal with especially when it is in your context ( OP ).
I think something to notice is change over time. Iv'e met many people that I would call "crazy". They are quite interesting in many ways but some of there beliefs or habits are quite strange and seem to be definable in psychiatry. What is important is that the person function normally with typical aspects of his life. If one does not shower, or eats only one kind of food or other quite obvious signs of mental issues and believes in a totally fantasy then that is when it becomes a very serious issue.
Hypnosis of daytime TV and believing everything you see on the nightly news is something I would call crazy. Yet the crazies qualify themselves as normal. :lol
But I digress, I agree that there are certain red flags that comes up for mental illness. I agree with Agent on this one. Mental illness is a disease that should be taking seriously and intervened by loved ones. :old:
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Questioning everything at the expense of basic physics used to be cool like the beatnick with the goatee in the 1960s when there were only a few of them but the increasing numbers of them is distressing.
It exposes a huge hole in the rudiments as taught by the educational systems.
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(http://www.100thbg.com/mainmenus/349th/images01/1_16_1.jpg)
I guess piston engine B-17's were spraying barium, too.
Not Barium...but Barium Light :noid
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mental illness is a serious issue if someone's obsession with conspiracy theories goes that far, and shouldn't be taken lightly
some people are just stupid though, and also they can actually NEED something like this in their life to focus on and be obsessed with. It can give them the feeling that there is some kind of bigger deal going on in the world, outside of their own relatively meaningless existence. religion fills the same kind of hole for a lot of people. it's not necessarily a bad thing.
if it's harmless just ignore it. I have a couple of friends back home who have gone a bit obsessed with silly conspiracy theories, and I just ignore them or gently take the piss.
because there are so many TRUE shady things that the various governments and powerful corporations of the world do, it can be hard for people who lack critical thinking faculties to identify the really wild and silly conspiracy theories, and they'll just go ahead and believe anything.
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What really is bizarre is the conspiracy theorists ignoring something that could easily be true to concentrate on something that can't be proven without giant leaps that defy logics and physics understanding.
I've dropped the "markmonitor is watching you" on a conspiracy thread and they won't sink thier rabid teeth into it even though we really are being watched.
Do a "whois" on all the endpoints of the ports on your computer and there is "markmonitor" watching you under the guise of "brand protection"..........which is true.
The conspiracy lies where they draw the line on what they watch............and there is no line yet.
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What really is bizarre is the conspiracy theorists ignoring something that could easily be true to concentrate on something that can't be proven without giant leaps that defy logics and physics understanding.
I've dropped the "markmonitor is watching you" on a conspiracy thread and they won't sink thier rabid teeth into it even though we really are being watched.
Do a "whois" on all the endpoints of the ports on your computer and there is "markmonitor" watching you under the guise of "brand protection"..........which is true.
The conspiracy lies where they draw the line on what they watch............and there is no line yet.
LOL! Google Markmonitor and you'll find out it's a DMCA monitoring company. Are you running P2P perhaps? It means your computer is seeding a copyright holders spy computer. Expect a lawsuit in 3..2..1
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If there is evidence to support something. Then it is a possibility.
For example.
There are thousands of architects and construction experts who refute the official report on the WTC attacks on September 11th. Yet all are condemned as conspiracy theorists and enemies of the nation etc. etc.
They possess credible evidence and raise some rather damning issues that clearly contradict the official report. And yet they are all ignored, and in most cases fired from their workplaces unlawfully after a few phone-calls are made.
My advice, ask him why he believes this, how he came to this conclusion. And then counter each one. Intellectual debate to discover the root of the problem.
*flame suit on*
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LOL! Google Markmonitor and you'll find out it's a DMCA monitoring company. Are you running P2P perhaps? It means your computer is seeding a copyright holders spy computer. Expect a lawsuit in 3..2..1
Nope on any pirated software, P2P, or any stupid file sharing programs.
Take a brand new install of windows, connect to the internet, go to google, and explain why markmonitor shows up as an multiple endpoints in a "whois".
You surely won't be educating someone on "computers 101" who got his first microsoft certifications on DOS 6, Win3.1, WinNT3.1 and has hardware experience going back to the altair 8080 and software experience going back to Altair Basic.
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http://youtu.be/P6MOnehCOUw (http://youtu.be/P6MOnehCOUw)
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If there is evidence to support something. Then it is a possibility.
For example.
There are thousands of architects and construction experts who refute the official report on the WTC attacks on September 11th. Yet all are condemned as conspiracy theorists and enemies of the nation etc. etc.
They possess credible evidence and raise some rather damning issues that clearly contradict the official report. And yet they are all ignored, and in most cases fired from their workplaces unlawfully after a few phone-calls are made.
My advice, ask him why he believes this, how he came to this conclusion. And then counter each one. Intellectual debate to discover the root of the problem.
*flame suit on*
Another more what people believe not to be true is the JFK assassination. Some people I talk to seem to think there is more to it than the official report. It's the WHY that is most improtant. Just like the Gulf of Tonkin incident that got us into Vietnam. But for some reason, people believe the 911 commission at its whole.
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I guess piston engine B-17's were spraying barium, too.
Nope lead oxides. Lots and lots of lead oxides. You don't need worldwide conspiracies when mere ignorance is enough.
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http://youtu.be/P6MOnehCOUw (http://youtu.be/P6MOnehCOUw)
:lol :rofl
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Here is a helpful image...
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Uo7D8b5VgnM/UU756FnR60I/AAAAAAAAEcs/1FnzP6D1VxE/s1600/VDOIN0.D.png)
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Here is a helpful image...
:rofl :rofl :rofl
thanks for the chuckle :aok
LtngRydr :old:
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Nope on any pirated software, P2P, or any stupid file sharing programs.
Take a brand new install of windows, connect to the internet, go to google, and explain why markmonitor shows up as an multiple endpoints in a "whois".
You surely won't be educating someone on "computers 101" who got his first microsoft certifications on DOS 6, Win3.1, WinNT3.1 and has hardware experience going back to the altair 8080 and software experience going back to Altair Basic.
Actually I just upgraded my computer with new hardware and installed a fresh Win7 installation on it. I was really "surprised" to find there are no connections to markmonitor or any other non-microsoft endpoint for that matter. In fact there are a total of zero connections anywhere after windows updates stop running.
If I open the Google web page I get two additional connections, both ending to 'Google Inc'.
You probably have spyware on your computer ;) Did you perhaps make the installation from an OEM install disc? That would imply your brand computer comes with embedded spyware straight out of the box. Congratulations! :D
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I got a bud who is convinced planes are spraying barium all over the place.... I've known him for a long time and he is not a bad guy, just fell into this hoax... I'm kind of stumped on how to pull him back to reality.
Tell your bud not to worry, those "chemtrails" have no effect on humans, they are actually used to control the weather by DARPA who is under command of the luminatti ....LOL.. say it to him with a serious face.. it will help him. :D
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Ripley.............this happens on all computers when at google and many other sites.
I recently bought a new drive and decided to do a brand new install from genuine registered microsoft windows installation discs.
I connected to the internet a single time and did a "whois" and found nothing.
I then went to google's main page and markmonitor shows up as an endpoint.
I performed a new installation on yet another disc I had around, connected to the internet through my cell phone instead of wifi, and find the exact same thing.
Believe me when I say I am able to use deductive reasoning with computers and troubleshoot symptoms because that was my life for many years.
This markmonitor is not on the computer but rather at various sites like google........which is well known to the public.
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Here is a helpful image...
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Uo7D8b5VgnM/UU756FnR60I/AAAAAAAAEcs/1FnzP6D1VxE/s1600/VDOIN0.D.png)
Do you think everything on that image is 100% true?
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Ripley.............this happens on all computers when at google and many other sites.
I recently bought a new drive and decided to do a brand new install from genuine registered microsoft windows installation discs.
I connected to the internet a single time and did a "whois" and found nothing.
I then went to google's main page and markmonitor shows up as an endpoint.
I performed a new installation on yet another disc I had around, connected to the internet through my cell phone instead of wifi, and find the exact same thing.
Believe me when I say I am able to use deductive reasoning with computers and troubleshoot symptoms because that was my life for many years.
This markmonitor is not on the computer but rather at various sites like google........which is well known to the public.
Please try to believe that the only connections made when going to Google.inc are Google.inc and no connections to markmonitor. If you use internet explorer, then you get a gazillion of connections to whatever. No sensible person uses IE however.
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Do you think everything on that image is 100% true?
everything in that image is 100% bollocks, that's the whole point
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After a clean boot:
(http://s23.postimg.org/vnoybb7ln/cleanboot.png)
When at Google frontpage:
(http://s23.postimg.org/5e3vsilob/when_at_google.png)
See? No markmonitor, only Google.inc. The UDP port at the bottom is created by Punkbuster (ok, so not a 100% clean install anymore ;) )
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everything in that image is 100% bollocks, that's the whole point
I disagree :aok
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Ripley......resolve the addresses in your screenshots.
Try 173.194.32.23 as provided in your screenshot first.
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Ripley......resolve the addresses in your screenshots.
Try 173.194.32.23 as provided in your screenshot first.
Ah now I see.. LOL! So you think that because the website of Google itself resolves to markmonitor, we're being somehow spied? LOL!
You do understand that every search you make to Google is archived and analyzed by Google anyway? LOL!
You have your concepts mixed up - only the computers who connect to Google services of which name services are provided by markmonitor, a company probably owned by Google, are 'monitored' by markmonitor. Without connection to services hosted to Google, markmonitor is not connected in the pathway in any way.
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"probably" means you didn't do enough research to comment.
You should probably retract some of the statements you made above.
Markmonitor is not owned by google but google is allowing them to piggyback in order to facilitate checking google users for unlicensed software, music, and movies.
Google is only one of many sites where this occurring.
Here is the full resolution of one of the IP addresses provided in your screenshot above.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8244/8665953668_dd724c5233_b.jpg)
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I got a bud who is convinced planes are spraying barium all over the place.... I've known him for a long time and he is not a bad guy, just fell into this hoax... I'm kind of stumped on how to pull him back to reality.
Boy he wood trip if he got sprayed from a cropduster . They like to do that around here . I meet the guy . He's a real old man that gets a kick out of spraying on your car as you drive by .
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"probably" means you didn't do enough research to comment.
You should probably retract some of the statements you made above.
Markmonitor is not owned by google but google is allowing them to piggyback in order to facilitate checking google users for unlicensed software, music, and movies.
Google is only one of many sites where this occurring.
Here is the full resolution of one of the IP addresses provided in your screenshot above.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8244/8665953668_dd724c5233_b.jpg)
So you agree that nobodys computer is spied in any way and they're not connected to markmonitor. Where I have to agree with you is that it seems like all the biggest search engines seem to be routed through markmonitor. Not all of them however.
Your claim that everyones computer is connected to markmonitor is therefore just plain false. This affects only people doing searches using the most common search engines. It looks like the US government has bent down backwards to the copyright predators and subjected all US related search engines (even baidu is a .com) to a global censorship.
There is no need for any conspiracy plots when your own government sells you to the highest bidder as the standard MO :)
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Here is a helpful image...
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Uo7D8b5VgnM/UU756FnR60I/AAAAAAAAEcs/1FnzP6D1VxE/s1600/VDOIN0.D.png)
Wow if you think that stuff is not real....
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So you agree that nobodys computer is spied in any way and they're not connected to markmonitor. Where I have to agree with you is that it seems like all the biggest search engines seem to be routed through markmonitor. Not all of them however.
Your claim that everyones computer is connected to markmonitor is therefore just plain false. This affects only people doing searches using the most common search engines. It looks like the US government has bent down backwards to the copyright predators and subjected all US related search engines (even baidu is a .com) to a global censorship.
There is no need for any conspiracy plots when your own government sells you to the highest bidder as the standard MO :)
Please refrain from speaking further.
You have put words into my mouth that were not said.
I proved you wrong using your own screenshot you thought would prove me wrong.
There is no more complete ownage.
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There is no more complete ownage.
Now look, I own both of you and that's all there is to it. :P
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Please refrain from speaking further.
You have put words into my mouth that were not said.
I proved you wrong using your own screenshot you thought would prove me wrong.
There is no more complete ownage.
Take a look back of what you claimed and admit you were wrong. Nobodys computer is spyed, markmonitor is only connected to the major search services. Whois.sc doesn't show anything else but Google.inc as registrant - the markmonitor is found if you dig deeper to the dns information.
Do a "whois" on all the endpoints of the ports on your computer and there is "markmonitor" watching you under the guise of "brand protection"..........which is true.
Markmonitor is not and continues not to be any endpoint of my computer (or anyone elses for that matter if they don't have bing, yahoo, google or baidu open). Case closed.
By the way you may want to study a bit more about your 'spy' company before you make more of an arse of yourself :D
This claim reflects a misunderstanding of how the internet works, and what MarkMonitor does.
Markmonitor is an internet registrar, that means that they manage the registration of the domain names. While they have the power to change the registration they cannot do this in a non-obvious way. None of the traffic that goes to those sites goes through MarkMonitor.
When you connect to google.com your request is looked up on what is called a "nameserver". Nameservers translate domain names like "www.google.com" into the actual addresses, which look like 121.43.11.92. There are 13 "root nameservers", and they will then redirect you to another nameserver that handles all the .COM addresses (called a TLD nameserver), which redirects you to a third nameserver that handles all the .google.com addresses, which will return the actual address of www.google.com.
If someone had control of the nameserver, then they could re-route your traffic into their own sites, and potentially eavesdrop on it. They could not do this secretly though, as you could still easily see where the traffic was going.
But MarkMonitor DO NOT CONTROL THE NAMESERVERS for google.com. The root nameservers (which are run by large telecom companies, and bodies like NASA or the University of Maryland) are entirely independent of MarkMonitor. The secondary nameservers for .COM are run by Verisign, also independent of MarkMonitor, The nameservers that Verisign's nameservers point to for google.com are owned by Google.
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Ripley, you have made a huge amount of incorrect assumptions which removes credibility from your further posting.
Here.......I will do the work to show them below.
LOL! Google Markmonitor and you'll find out it's a DMCA monitoring company. Are you running P2P perhaps? It means your computer is seeding a copyright holders spy computer. Expect a lawsuit in 3..2..1
Incorrect..........I don't run any P2P and my computer is not seeding a copyright holder's spy computer.
Actually I just upgraded my computer with new hardware and installed a fresh Win7 installation on it. I was really "surprised" to find there are no connections to markmonitor or any other non-microsoft endpoint for that matter. In fact there are a total of zero connections anywhere after windows updates stop running.
If I open the Google web page I get two additional connections, both ending to 'Google Inc'.
You probably have spyware on your computer ;) Did you perhaps make the installation from an OEM install disc? That would imply your brand computer comes with embedded spyware straight out of the box. Congratulations! :D
Incorrect again.......no spyware on my computer and my installs were not done with an oem installation from a manufacturer and my computer was built by me.
The disc is genuine windows.
You mention two additional connections and both were proven to got to markmonitor.
After a clean boot:
(http://s23.postimg.org/vnoybb7ln/cleanboot.png)
When at Google frontpage:
(http://s23.postimg.org/5e3vsilob/when_at_google.png)
See? No markmonitor, only Google.inc. The UDP port at the bottom is created by Punkbuster (ok, so not a 100% clean install anymore ;) )
(http://s23.postimg.org/5e3vsilob/when_at_google.png)
Here you say no markmonitor..........and below I post the whois of your supposted connections that aren't connected to markmonitor.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8244/8665953668_dd724c5233_b.jpg)
So you agree that nobodys computer is spied in any way and they're not connected to markmonitor. Where I have to agree with you is that it seems like all the biggest search engines seem to be routed through markmonitor. Not all of them however.
Your claim that everyones computer is connected to markmonitor is therefore just plain false. This affects only people doing searches using the most common search engines. It looks like the US government has bent down backwards to the copyright predators and subjected all US related search engines (even baidu is a .com) to a global censorship.
There is no need for any conspiracy plots when your own government sells you to the highest bidder as the standard MO :)
I agreed to nothing you have said but you quickly edited your posts after I showed you were incorrect and decided to try to spin this a different direction.
Your statement "Your claim that everyones computer is connected to markmonitor is therefore just plain false." is incorrect because I never said "everyone's computer is connected to markmonitor"..........but yours is.
Spin unsuccessful.
You then claim I need to do more checking into markmonitor but the entire thread here as well as in the "chemtrail" thread is full of posts showing you posting first before checking and having to resort to spin control, outright misquotes, and editing after what clearly is not enough research on your end.
Then you claim that I didn't do enough research when it is proven that you were the one who had to "cram" and educate yourself on something you shouldn't have been commenting on because you lacked the knowledge on the subject.
Now you are busy only showing a sliver of what markmonitor does as if what you referenced is the only thing they do.
Since you have newly learned about markmonitor to attempt to discuss the subject, why omit the rest of the things markmonitor does?
Maybe more research is need on your end?
Start with "six strikes".
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Ripley, you have made a huge amount of incorrect assumptions which removes credibility from your further posting.
Here.......I will do the work to show them below.
Incorrect..........I don't run any P2P and my computer is not seeding a copyright holder's spy computer.
Incorrect again.......no spyware on my computer and my installs were not done with an oem installation from a manufacturer and my computer was built by me.
The disc is genuine windows.
You mention two additional connections and both were proven to got to markmonitor.
(http://s23.postimg.org/5e3vsilob/when_at_google.png)
Here you say no markmonitor..........and below I post the whois of your supposted connections that aren't connected to markmonitor.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8244/8665953668_dd724c5233_b.jpg)
I agreed to nothing you have said but you quickly edited your posts after I showed you were incorrect and decided to try to spin this a different direction.
Your statement "Your claim that everyones computer is connected to markmonitor is therefore just plain false." is incorrect because I never said "everyone's computer is connected to markmonitor"..........but yours is.
Spin unsuccessful.
You then claim I need to do more checking into markmonitor but the entire thread here as well as in the "chemtrail" thread is full of posts showing you posting first before checking and having to resort to spin control, outright misquotes, and editing after what clearly is not enough research on your end.
Then you claim that I didn't do enough research when it is proven that you were the one who had to "cram" and educate yourself on something you shouldn't have been commenting on because you lacked the knowledge on the subject.
Now you are busy only showing a sliver of what markmonitor does as if what you referenced is the only thing they do.
Since you have newly learned about markmonitor to attempt to discuss the subject, why omit the rest of the things markmonitor does?
Maybe more research is need on your end?
Start with "six strikes".
Ok lets end this double posting and stick to one thread ok? Like I said you've fallen to chemtrail conspiracy fallacy of your own on this issue. Markmonitor is an internet registrar much as Godady.com and Verisign for example. No Google traffic is routed through Markmonitor, they only provide top level DNS services for Google and many other .com websites. Give it a rest.
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Your claim that everyones computer is connected to markmonitor is therefore just plain false.
I never made the claim quoted above and I'm not sure why you are making this incorrect assumption a basis for an argument.
Here is the timeline..........
You were incorrect and posted from a position of ignorance.
I proved you wrong with a screenshot that you provided in an attempt to refute me.
You quickly edited your posts and tried to spin the subject a different direction.
You decided to finally do the research and and then ignore everything but what supports your flawed argument.
That is the exact process of a rabid conspiracy theorist in that you are arguing out your depth.......which appears more shallow with each successive post from you.
Maybe you should stop trying to throw your weight around the computer hardware forums by being harsh on the people you should be trying to help.
You have a bit of knowledge but don't even for a second believe you are ready to debate someone with much more experience.
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Boy he wood trip if he got sprayed from a cropduster . They like to do that around here . I meet the guy . He's a real old man that gets a kick out of spraying on your car as you drive by .
I wonder if you could legaly hire one to cropdust this conspirist's house with water or koolaide or something?.... :devil
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I wonder if you could legaly hire one to cropdust this conspirist's house with water or koolaide or something?.... :devil
I'm sure he would legal or not . He's so old now he dont care . He wanted to take me for a ride when I first meet him but after he told me a cropduster life span is 6 year's and he has been flying for 30 I said no way I'm getting in there with you . Dude is crazy crazy but can fly his bellybutton off . It's a complet joy in watching him fly .
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holy crap!! they're bombing us with barium?!!!! :noid
say it aint so!
you know they have camera's in the toilets at everyone house too!
(http://cdn.roflzone.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Toilet-Cameras-Are-For-Research-Purposes-Only.jpg)
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I never made the claim quoted above and I'm not sure why you are making this incorrect assumption a basis for an argument.
It was quoted letter to letter from your earlyer post in this thread. Case closed.
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you know they have camera's in the toilets at everyone house too!
(http://cdn.roflzone.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Toilet-Cameras-Are-For-Research-Purposes-Only.jpg)
That's too funny !! LOL
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It was quoted letter to letter from your earlyer post in this thread. Case closed.
Sorry dude....went through the entire thread and you are incorrect yet you press on.
Claiming "case closed" as if in victory when actually losing the argument is also a conspiracy theorist tactic.
Just because I don't constantly belittle people in the "hardware and software" forum doesn't mean I lack the skills and experience to own you........which is what happened.
Your constant belittling there is part of what caused me to not let go of your neck once I got it.
Maybe you should try to school me on cars or airplanes but I don't think you would fare any better.
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Im not sure where we went wrong in society. We used to be a people of science and reason...and now here we are in 2013 running around looking for Giants under the Earths crust, Bigfoot (and the cities they dwell in aparently), Chemtrails, UFOs, Ghosts, Goblins, Spirits, Gov't conspiracies practically daily now (I farted so is it because the CIA put something in my beans?)...I mean...WTF is wrong with us? It can't be a good sign. When did we start painting our faces blue and barking at the freaking moon?
...Be skeptical with the Govt, be open minded, ok, I get that...but to buy into all these nutty things so easily is just not healthy.
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You didn't do a very good job on going through this thread or even remember what yourself wrote...
What really is bizarre is the conspiracy theorists ignoring something that could easily be true to concentrate on something that can't be proven without giant leaps that defy logics and physics understanding.
I've dropped the "markmonitor is watching you" on a conspiracy thread and they won't sink thier rabid teeth into it even though we really are being watched.
Do a "whois" on all the endpoints of the ports on your computer and there is "markmonitor" watching you under the guise of "brand protection"..........which is true.
The conspiracy lies where they draw the line on what they watch............and there is no line yet.
Here is your entire post IN THIS THREAD WHICH I QUOTED. Your behaviour seems paranoid icepac. You see me changing posts and inventing texts even though I'm copypasting your own posts. Are you sure you're ok?
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I don't see the word "everyone" as you stated.
You have markmonitor on your computer.
Markmonitor is a "brand protection company" which serves copyright infringement notices.
They do that by monitoring the traffic on computers.
If you are at google, it will be there.....sometimes on multiple ports.......same for yahoo and a bunch of other big sites.
If look back at the history of the company, you will also see that the people tasked to oversee them spent many years being paid lobbyists for the RIAA under the guise of protecting and enforcing the Digital Millennium Copyright Act .
I'm not concerned why they are watching...........only that they are.
Stop spinning..........I proved they were on your computer with your own screenshot designed to refute me when your time would have been better spent doing the research BEFORE you posted instead of quickly having to edit your posts when you found you were wrong.
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I don't see the word "everyone" as you stated.
You have markmonitor on your computer.
Markmonitor is a "brand protection company" which serves copyright infringement notices.
They do that by monitoring the traffic on computers.
If you are at google, it will be there.....sometimes on multiple ports.......same for yahoo and a bunch of other big sites.
If look back at the history of the company, you will also see that the people tasked to oversee them spent many years being paid lobbyists for the RIAA under the guise of protecting and enforcing the Digital Millennium Copyright Act .
I'm not concerned why they are watching...........only that they are.
Stop spinning..........I proved they were on your computer with your own screenshot designed to refute me when your time would have been better spent doing the research BEFORE you posted instead of quickly having to edit your posts when you found you were wrong.
Once more I do NOT have markmonitor on my computer and neither does anyone else. Markmonitor provides domain hosting for Google and nothing else. Please get back in touch with reality. You proved that when my computer was connected to Google search, it resolved to Google.inc hosted server and for which markmonitor was providing top level DNS services. That does NOT mean that my computer or anyone elses would be connected to markmonitor at any time except when doing the DNS query. Russinoviches whois tool can give the wrong impression as it displays the registrar in the first lines and the actual registered user on the bottom ;)
And once more if your computer resolves to markmonitor when you're not having search sites open, your computer is infected with spyware.
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mrrippley is like saying "I dont have a police officer in my house but there's one at every door and window".
semp
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mrrippley is like saying "I dont have a police officer in my house but there's one at every door and window".
semp
No you are like saying "I dont understand how internet works". The data does not pass through the registrar even though it shows on whois. Russinoviches whois emphasizes the information where places like whois.sc show it where it belongs to, behind the dns information.
This is probably exactly the effect the copyright holders were hoping for. People see markmonitor as website registrar and freak out :D Job well done!
With your police officer analogy it would be like 'I have police written on my drivers license, Im spied by the police everywhere I go'.
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I have one of these Chemtrail friends. Most intelligent guy I know. I think he's just trying to piss me off.
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Nice try at twisting words ripley.
"Do a "whois" on all the endpoints of the ports on your computer" which you have somehow decided meaning "everyone" is simply a suggestion to check all endpoints.......not just one or two.
It' something you should have done before providing a screenshot from your "netstat -a".
Markmonitor is more than just a domain host and it even says so in thier mission statement where they state they are the world leader in "brand protection".
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Im not sure where we went wrong in society. We used to be a people of science and reason...and now here we are in 2013 running around looking for Giants under the Earths crust, Bigfoot (and the cities they dwell in aparently), Chemtrails, UFOs, Ghosts, Goblins, Spirits, Gov't conspiracies practically daily now (I farted so is it because the CIA put something in my beans?)...I mean...WTF is wrong with us? It can't be a good sign. When did we start painting our faces blue and barking at the freaking moon?
...Be skeptical with the Govt, be open minded, ok, I get that...but to buy into all these nutty things so easily is just not healthy.
QFT :aok
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" ..Be skeptical with the Govt, be open minded, ok, I get that...but to buy into all these nutty things so easily is just not healthy. "
My Mother-in-Law attached her tentacles to my Netflix this weekend and it was non-stop with the conspiracy theories. When she took breaks from Netflix ... it was non-stop with the conspiracy theories. I took lots of walks.
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With your police officer analogy it would be like 'I have police written on my drivers license, Im spied by the police everywhere I go'.
how do you write a police officer on a driver's licence? :headscratch:
semp
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how do you write a police officer on a driver's licence? :headscratch:
semp
No, the drivers license is issued by the police just like the doman is issued by the registrar. This does not mean that police is watching my every step (even though I have POLICE written all over my license which I am required to keep with my when driving), they just provide a registry where other cops can check my licenses validity and address information ;)
Icepac - you said REPEATEDLY that even my computer is connected to markmonitor. It is not connected to markmonitor. In fact even when you use Google you're not connected to markmonitor but Googles server which is domain hosted through markmonitor. If you can't understand the logic behind it then I can't help you.
I can see how domains and dns services can be confusing for someone who never had to work with the details.
Icepac - have you ever set up a domain from a scratch i.e. do you know and understand the process behind it?
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No, the drivers license is issued by the police just like the doman is issued by the registrar. This does not mean that police is watching my every step (even though I have POLICE written all over my license which I am required to keep with my when driving), they just provide a registry where other cops can check my licenses validity and address information ;)
Icepac - you said REPEATEDLY that even my computer is connected to markmonitor. It is not connected to markmonitor. In fact even when you use Google you're not connected to markmonitor but Googles server which is domain hosted through markmonitor. If you can't understand the logic behind it then I can't help you.
I can see how domains and dns services can be confusing for someone who never had to work with the details.
Icepac - have you ever set up a domain from a scratch i.e. do you know and understand the process behind it?
my driver's license wasnt issued by any police. I dont know of anybody that has a license issued by any police. and there isnt any police written all over it. see that's what happens when you think you know everything.
semp
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I talked with him tonight.... He is so deep into the conspiracy crap that I am saddened for him... Saturn used to be a binary star, the moon is a hollow base, world leaders are secretly sacrificing children, HAARP, fluoride, David Icke, Credo Mutwa, the Greys, Alex Jones, chem trails, holographic synthetic reality, evil entities.....
He has abandoned evidence based reason and all things science claiming "they" are all part of the "control system"... Wow, just wow.
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LOL ripley.
I have full MCSE certs going back to dos6 and windows 3.1, winnt 3.1.....etc.
You can't achieve that with your accusations of my ignorance and I easily exposed yours....without resorting to internet research because you posted from a position of ignorance before doing said research.
I'd gladly debate you face to face without the internet safety net you use on most any subject and smoke you faster than cypress hill would roach a blunt.
Please go back to berating and belittling people on the hardware software forums because you don't agree with thier choice of OS or hardware.
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I talked with him tonight.... He is so deep into the conspiracy crap that I am saddened for him... Saturn used to be a binary star, the moon is a hollow base, world leaders are secretly sacrificing children, HAARP, fluoride, David Icke, Credo Mutwa, the Greys, Alex Jones, chem trails, holographic synthetic reality, evil entities.....
He has abandoned evidence based reason and all things science claiming "they" are all part of the "control system"... Wow, just wow.
effin A man. My neighbor is the same way. This guy is in his 70s and a retired engineer so I know he's no dope but when he's spoutin off this stuff. "Wow, just wow" it is. I'm like dude--do you have any idea how many planes and fuel for them and material loaded onto them you'd need to seed the entire gargantuan area that is our atmosphere? Do the math! He tells me "they're" doing it. I'm blown away there's peeps out there that think this seriously. I always got a kick out of Art Bell/George Noory but sheesh, I never bought into any of it! LOL
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effin A man. My neighbor is the same way. This guy is in his 70s and a retired engineer so I know he's no dope but when he's spoutin off this stuff. "Wow, just wow" it is. I'm like dude--do you have any idea how many planes and fuel for them and material loaded onto them you'd need to seed the entire gargantuan area that is our atmosphere? Do the math! He tells me "they're" doing it. I'm blown away there's peeps out there that think this seriously. I always got a kick out of Art Bell/George Noory but sheesh, I never bought into any of it! LOL
Man, my friend has given up anything resembling reason or rational evidence based logic...
claims that there are entities that are milking us for our energy, they are spraying barium and aluminum to keep us stressed out where the milking is more productive(when I explained to him how it would be inefficiant even for higher intelligence to use airplanes, he says they are doing it with drones and invisable aircraft technology), Claims that all the scientists are controlled by the control system, that government leaders around the world participate in child sacrafice, that the ancient tribes in Africa are privie to all this and their warnings go unheeded(the main voice being Creedo Mutwa), that they control all the earthquakes and weather, that the moon is a hollow sphere placed there by the entities to help amplify controlling effect of signals sent by our ancient bi-nary sun Saturn, that these entities encoded our left brain intelligence via DNA altering 5000 years ago to steer us away from our natural savant ability to detect and avoid them, the pyramids were built by these entities, that these entities installed a handpicked line of mutants to be the world leaders and the bush family is one of them, 9/11 was done by this family, JFK was shot from the front.....
I just listed what I remember him telling me last night, and I listened to him, then I tried to lure him back to a rational way of looking at these ideas... what frustrated me most is the fact that he completely threw science and evidenced based logic out the door. I mean I am floored by this. I have seen some videos and heard some of the conspiracy nuts before and never would have thought that my bud would be one of them.... Although he was a hard core christian in the past and that always worried me, but he went straight from 2500 year old iron age religion to modern day youtube conspiracy nut! Just Wow! :(
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skyroc, you arent gonna win this one. I say if he's happy then let it be. for me and you it is insane but for him that maybe reality. but if that makes him happy then I say no harm done.
semp
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I agree with live and let live usually, but he will send me an e-mail every now and then with these videos of crap, and I try to avoid responding because I have nothing nice to say, then he will get upset that I'm "dismissing" him... not to mention it keeps getting worse, as in "every one is about to see" prophecy type crap... I told my brother today(we both grew up with my friend) that I am just going to have to avoid him because its getting a little creepy.
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Sorry to fill this thread with a wall of text.. but..
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Here you say no markmonitor..........and below I post the whois of your supposted connections that aren't connected to markmonitor.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8244/8665953668_dd724c5233_b.jpg)
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Icepac, your whois software happens to be asking the whois server operated by markmonitor, that's why you see references to them in your screenshot.
The first part is the disclaimer from the whois server's operator (markmonitor) and only the last part is the actual whois database entry - which says that 173.194.32.23 is indeed assigned to Google.
A more neutral whois server output of that address would look like this:
# ARIN WHOIS data and services are subject to the Terms of Use
# available at: https://www.arin.net/whois_tou.html
#
#
# Query terms are ambiguous. The query is assumed to be:
# "n 173.194.32.23"
#
# Use "?" to get help.
#
#
# The following results may also be obtained via:
# http://whois.arin.net/rest/nets;q=173.194.32.23?showDetails=true&showARIN=false&ext=netref2
#
NetRange: 173.194.0.0 - 173.194.255.255
CIDR: 173.194.0.0/16
OriginAS: AS15169
NetName: GOOGLE
NetHandle: NET-173-194-0-0-1
Parent: NET-173-0-0-0-0
NetType: Direct Allocation
RegDate: 2009-08-17
Updated: 2012-02-24
Ref: http://whois.arin.net/rest/net/NET-173-194-0-0-1
OrgName: Google Inc.
OrgId: GOGL
Address: 1600 Amphitheatre Parkway
City: Mountain View
StateProv: CA
PostalCode: 94043
Country: US
RegDate: 2000-03-30
Updated: 2011-09-24
Ref: http://whois.arin.net/rest/org/GOGL
OrgTechHandle: ZG39-ARIN
OrgTechName: Google Inc
OrgTechPhone: +1-650-253-0000
OrgTechEmail: arin-contact@google.com
OrgTechRef: http://whois.arin.net/rest/poc/ZG39-ARIN
OrgAbuseHandle: ZG39-ARIN
OrgAbuseName: Google Inc
OrgAbusePhone: +1-650-253-0000
OrgAbuseEmail: arin-contact@google.com
OrgAbuseRef: http://whois.arin.net/rest/poc/ZG39-ARIN
#
# ARIN WHOIS data and services are subject to the Terms of Use
# available at: https://www.arin.net/whois_tou.html
#
[edit:] the other reason markmonitor.com appears is that it is the domain registrar for google.com - markmonitor is one of dozens (if not hundreds) of them.
They could hijack google.com traffic by changing the dns records for google.com. It would be very much noticeable tho.
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Actually I just upgraded my computer with new hardware and installed a fresh Win7 installation on it. I was really "surprised" to find there are no connections to markmonitor or any other non-microsoft endpoint for that matter. In fact there are a total of zero connections anywhere after windows updates stop running.
If I open the Google web page I get two additional connections, both ending to 'Google Inc'.
You probably have spyware on your computer ;) Did you perhaps make the installation from an OEM install disc? That would imply your brand computer comes with embedded spyware straight out of the box. Congratulations! :D
From Forbes:
Copyright holders RIAA and MPAA in partnership with five major Internet service providers are launching the “Copyright Alert System” a.k.a. “Six Strikes” a.k.a. “The Copyright Surveillance Machine.” What does it mean?
If you get your Internet through AT&T, Cablevision, Comcast, Time Warner Cable or Verizon and you’re one of the millions who prefer downloading Game of Thrones, Dexter, and the Big Bang Theory for free through illicit channels, you may get a letter from your ISP letting you know that your copyright transgression has been spotted by the copyright holders’ ref. The “ref” is Thomson Reuters-owned firm MarkMonitor, which has 100 employees in its anti-piracy group and a suite of automated tools for watching Torrent sites to catch the IP addresses sharing and downloading content.
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From Forbes:
Copyright holders RIAA and MPAA in partnership with five major Internet service providers are launching the “Copyright Alert System” a.k.a. “Six Strikes” a.k.a. “The Copyright Surveillance Machine.” What does it mean?
If you get your Internet through AT&T, Cablevision, Comcast, Time Warner Cable or Verizon and you’re one of the millions who prefer downloading Game of Thrones, Dexter, and the Big Bang Theory for free through illicit channels, you may get a letter from your ISP letting you know that your copyright transgression has been spotted by the copyright holders’ ref. The “ref” is Thomson Reuters-owned firm MarkMonitor, which has 100 employees in its anti-piracy group and a suite of automated tools for watching Torrent sites to catch the IP addresses sharing and downloading content.
Fortunately I don't use any of those and neither does many others here. If your computer is somehow connected to markmonitor it means you have spyware on your computer because an ISP can't initiate a connection without some software doing it. If your copyright lobbers have stripped you from your privacy and are allowed to spy all your internet traffic.. what can I say. Sucks to be you!
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Again....ripley is assuming and most likely incorrect if history holds true.
They are looking for illegally downloaded content.
If you have it on your computer, they will have to look first before they can find it.
This is what they do.
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thing with rippley is that he assumes that what happens/doesnt happen in his country is the same everywhere. for example when he said that it was hard to find a win7 os while here in the us it can be found everywhere.
semp
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They are looking for illegally downloaded content.
If you have it on your computer, they will have to look first before they can find it.
This is what they do.
Interesting. So I have an illegally downloaded movie on my desktop. How do they locate it, and then determine if it is indeed illegally downloaded?
A walkthrough of the process would be very educational (and dont worry about getting too technical, I can always google anything I dont understand :))
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Again....ripley is assuming and most likely incorrect if history holds true.
They are looking for illegally downloaded content.
If you have it on your computer, they will have to look first before they can find it.
This is what they do.
Just show where I have been 'historically' wrong first and then resort to your personal attacks. Now either quit it or you'll go on report.
Nobody and I repeat nobody, will have a connection to markmonitor from their computers unless they have some software running that will initiate a connection to some endpoint which hosts markmonitor services. Markmonitor DOES NOT HAVE ACCESS TO ANYONES COMPUTER BY DEFAULT. Period.
If US customers internet connections are really routed through markmonitor (which I highly doubt even if it's the 'land of the sold out to the highest bidder') their activities are monitored if they use non-encrypted traffic. Other countries however do not have this problem and windows especially does not include any markmonitor related material in it.
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thing with rippley is that he assumes that what happens/doesnt happen in his country is the same everywhere. for example when he said that it was hard to find a win7 os while here in the us it can be found everywhere.
semp
The thing with you folks is that you lack reading skills. I said it's impossible to get a COMPUTER with win7 for consumers since all OEM computers are forced by MS to ship with Win8 (with the exception of possibly Dell if not that too is meant for businesses only). I said even buying Win7 separately is getting HARDER as brick and mortar stores also stoped selling it.
It's funny how you blame me for your own mistakes.
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The thing with you folks is that you lack reading skills. I said it's impossible to get a COMPUTER with win7 for consumers since all OEM computers are forced by MS to ship with Win8 (with the exception of possibly Dell if not that too is meant for businesses only). I said even buying Win7 separately is getting HARDER as brick and mortar stores also stoped selling it.
It's funny how you blame me for your own mistakes.
oh boy i can walk for 5 minutes and buy win7 at the local best buy :).
semp
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oh boy i can walk for 5 minutes and buy win7 at the local best buy :).
semp
Maybe you can, many others can't. Most consumers can't install their own OSes anyway, they are forced to get whatever is sold 'ready'.
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Maybe you can, many others can't. Most consumers can't install their own OSes anyway, they are forced to get whatever is sold 'ready'.
dude stop embarrassing yourself. in the old good USA you can buy win7 just about anywhere unlikey our country.
semp
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dude stop embarrassing yourself. in the old good USA you can buy win7 just about anywhere unlikey our country.
semp
USA is not the rest of the world so maybe it's time to broaden your perspective a little. I'm sure there are hundreds of shops in the US too that only offer Win8 currently.
And like I said, for most consumers installing an OS by yourself is not even an option. They buy OEM computers and the availability of those is non-existent as far as older OS versions go. This is directly due to MS forcing OEMs to push Win8.
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USA is not the rest of the world so maybe it's time to broaden your perspective a little. I'm sure there are hundreds of shops in the US too that only offer Win8 currently.
And like I said, for most consumers installing an OS by yourself is not even an option. They buy OEM computers and the availability of those is non-existent as far as older OS versions go. This is directly due to MS forcing OEMs to push Win8.
see that's another bad for you. we dont have hundreds of stores that will only sell what customers dont want. actually I know of two stores within the state, fry's and bestbuy and both sell win8 only computers, however they also sell win7 off the shelf. as for the custom built computers online they all offer win7 as a downgrade option.
The thing with you folks is that you lack reading skills. I said it's impossible to get a COMPUTER with win7 for consumers since all OEM computers are forced by MS to ship with Win8 (with the exception of possibly Dell if not that too is meant for businesses only). I said even buying Win7 separately is getting HARDER as brick and mortar stores also stoped selling it.
It's funny how you blame me for your own mistakes.
here's links to get those impossible to obtain computes with win7.
http://www.ibuypower.com/Store/Gamer_Paladin_F770
http://www.cyberpowerpc.com/system/Gamer_Xtreme_XT/
see rippley there's only 2 brick and mortar (actually they're made out of wood here but that's another thing) but anyway both sell win7
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Software-Games/Operating-Systems/abcat0508001.c?id=abcat0508001
http://www.frys.com/search?search_type=regular&sqxts=1&query_string=win7&submit.x=0&submit.y=0&cat=0
semp
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see that's another bad for you. we dont have hundreds of stores that will only sell what customers dont want. actually I know of two stores within the state, fry's and bestbuy and both sell win8 only computers, however they also sell win7 off the shelf. as for the custom built computers online they all offer win7 as a downgrade option.
here's links to get those impossible to obtain computes with win7.
http://www.ibuypower.com/Store/Gamer_Paladin_F770
http://www.cyberpowerpc.com/system/Gamer_Xtreme_XT/
see rippley there's only 2 brick and mortar (actually they're made out of wood here but that's another thing) but anyway both sell win7
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Software-Games/Operating-Systems/abcat0508001.c?id=abcat0508001
http://www.frys.com/search?search_type=regular&sqxts=1&query_string=win7&submit.x=0&submit.y=0&cat=0
semp
Oh Christ give it a rest... Windows 7 is out of the picture like it or not. Win8 is the _current_ OS version and it doesn't matter if you can find 1 or 2 retailers who still offer it, risking penalties from MS. You have to check in to 2013 and get on with times.
Why don't you dig up links ot XP while youre at it? LOL!
MS has changed the release strategy and will be releasing new Windows versions at a much faster rate from now on. Next will be Windows 'blue' which is essentially Windows 8.1, rumor has it that it features the return of the start menu.
By the way, did you find any connections to markmonitor from your computer? :D
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I bought XP media center edition 2005 at comp usa last year.
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Oh Christ give it a rest... Windows 7 is out of the picture like it or not. Win8 is the _current_ OS version and it doesn't matter if you can find 1 or 2 retailers who still offer it, risking penalties from MS. You have to check in to 2013 and get on with times.
Why don't you dig up links ot XP while youre at it? LOL!
MS has changed the release strategy and will be releasing new Windows versions at a much faster rate from now on. Next will be Windows 'blue' which is essentially Windows 8.1, rumor has it that it features the return of the start menu.
By the way, did you find any connections to markmonitor from your computer? :D
so you went from "hard to find" to check into 2013 lol.
see those two retailers that I posted are the only retailers with a brick and mortar (ok wood) stores in southern california. this is again just to prove a point that you dont really know what sells/doesnt sell in another country. if it wasnt because win8 is bundled with new computers, people would rather get win7.
win7 sales are still strong here and it is widely available everywhere. btw did you upgraded your computer and monitor? you know it's time for you to check into 2013 and upgrade all your hardware.<end of sarcasm>
semp
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so you went from "hard to find" to check into 2013 lol.
see those two retailers that I posted are the only retailers with a brick and mortar (ok wood) stores in southern california. this is again just to prove a point that you dont really know what sells/doesnt sell in another country. if it wasnt because win8 is bundled with new computers, people would rather get win7.
win7 sales are still strong here and it is widely available everywhere. btw did you upgraded your computer and monitor? you know it's time for you to check into 2013 and upgrade all your hardware.<end of sarcasm>
semp
The only thing you're showing is absolute disregard of the rest of the planet and your egocentrism. You fail to understand a single word I'm writing and babble nonsense.
OEMs no longer offer Win7 computers despite the fact that you can get it as option to configurable packets like you linked. This is a fact and it's due to MS giving penalties to OEMs that do not adhere to sales of the latest versions. Remember when Vista came? OEMs had to sell downgrades because they had to sell Vista. Each computer that was downgraded got still marked as sold Vista machine in statistics.
How did you bring hardware into the discussion all of the sudden? FYI I upgraded one of my gaming pcs just 2 weeks ago. i5 3570k overclocked, seasonic PSU, z77 mobo, radeon 7950 and OCZ Revodrive 3 pci-e SSD + 3 hdds worth of 2Tb. When was your last upgrade?
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So what?.................I can change a 192 bit graphics processor with a razor blade and a crack torch.
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still waiting for that walkthrough ...
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Proof:
Chemtrails ( something I had no clue about until I read this thread today - thanks Skyrock for adding to my paranoia list)
Slowly will take peoples thoughts and attention to the hazards of barium and other chemicals being produced by plane's vapor trails - which makes me realize that they are probably also doing it at an altitude that does not create vapor trails....... chew on that for awhile Aristotle....
AND slowly all thought gets turned to blaming Microsoft and their ability to create new OS's in such a pace to get people to ignore THE OBVIOUS CHEMTRAILS controversy.. and argue about which Windows version gives you the stiffest banana.....
Oh those tricky bastages....
:noid
NwBie
(everyone realizes that wrag lives in the desert and is a former military sneak.... and loves vapor trails - proof he was always an alt monkey in the game)
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Proof:
Chemtrails ( something I had no clue about until I read this thread today - thanks Skyrock for adding to my paranoia list)
Slowly will take peoples thoughts and attention to the hazards of barium and other chemicals being produced by plane's vapor trails - which makes me realize that they are probably also doing it at an altitude that does not create vapor trails....... chew on that for awhile Aristotle....
AND slowly all thought gets turned to blaming Microsoft and their ability to create new OS's in such a pace to get people to ignore THE OBVIOUS CHEMTRAILS controversy.. and argue about which Windows version gives you the stiffest banana.....
Oh those tricky bastages....
:noid
NwBie
(everyone realizes that wrag lives in the desert and is a former military sneak.... and loves vapor trails - proof he was always an alt monkey in the game)
Yeah you know when I tried typing chemtrail on Windows 8 it autocorrected the text to watervaportrail. Just like here if you try to write the four letter word for excrement it just alters it! Conspiracy!
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I disagree :aok
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I talked with him tonight.... He is so deep into the conspiracy crap that I am saddened for him... Saturn used to be a binary star, the moon is a hollow base, world leaders are secretly sacrificing children, HAARP, fluoride, David Icke, Credo Mutwa, the Greys, Alex Jones, chem trails, holographic synthetic reality, evil entities.....
He has abandoned evidence based reason and all things science claiming "they" are all part of the "control system"... Wow, just wow.
I bet he's eaten one too many of these:
(http://www.dailyping.com/images/donoteat.jpg)
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"Everything you read on the internet is true"
Abraham Lincoln
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"Everything you read on the internet is true"
Abraham Lincoln
:lol
And as I read this thread after staying out of it for weeks, Babalonian's sig applies perfectly here.
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Oh Christ give it a rest... Windows 7 is out of the picture like it or not. Win8 is the _current_ OS version and it doesn't matter if you can find 1 or 2 retailers who still offer it, risking penalties from MS. You have to check in to 2013 and get on with times.
Why don't you dig up links ot XP while youre at it? LOL!
MS has changed the release strategy and will be releasing new Windows versions at a much faster rate from now on. Next will be Windows 'blue' which is essentially Windows 8.1, rumor has it that it features the return of the start menu.
By the way, did you find any connections to markmonitor from your computer? :D
You know, each windows version has sales lifecycle. Win7 boxed version can be sold until October 25, 2013 and preinstalled OEM Win7 until October 25, 2014.
Even MS is still selling boxed Win7.
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You know, each windows version has sales lifecycle. Win7 boxed version can be sold until October 25, 2013 and preinstalled OEM Win7 until October 25, 2014.
Even MS is still selling boxed Win7.
Read what I wrote and then try to understand finally that Win8 is the official release version and OEMs are obligated to sell it. If they refuse, MS will bump up their licensing costs.
It makes no difference whatsoever if you can buy Win7 or how long it's supported. Consumers buy ready computers and ready computers come with Win8 preinstalled.
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“Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the differance”
― Mark Twain
-Never argue with an idiot, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.... :rofl
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Read what I wrote and then try to understand finally that Win8 is the official release version and OEMs are obligated to sell it. If they refuse, MS will bump up their licensing costs.
Try to understand that 2 windows releases are on sale at any given time (officially). Big direct OEMs aren't obliged to sell anything, however they'll push certain release because of huge upfront licensing costs and they'll try to recoup the costs as quickly as possible. Also, their licensing costs aren't determined by sales but by volume of upfront commitment. MS can't bump the licensing costs after the fact.
It makes no difference whatsoever if you can buy Win7 or how long it's supported. Consumers buy ready computers and ready computers come with Win8 preinstalled.
They also come with Win7 pre-installed and large chunk of Win8 machines come with downgrade rights.
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Read what I wrote and then try to understand finally that Win8 is the official release version and OEMs are obligated to sell it. If they refuse, MS will bump up their licensing costs.
It makes no difference whatsoever if you can buy Win7 or how long it's supported. Consumers buy ready computers and ready computers come with Win8 preinstalled.
foolish boy. he's not used to the american way. we dont stick to the dells, compaq, etc. we also buy custom built computers which come with pre installed win7 or win8, your choice. heck some will also build our own.
welcome to 2013 mrripley, we dont just buy stuff off the shelves :cheers:.
semp
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foolish boy. he's not used to the american way. we dont stick to the dells, compaq, etc. we also buy custom built computers which come with pre installed win7 or win8, your choice. heck some will also build our own.
welcome to 2013 mrripley, we dont just buy stuff off the shelves :cheers:.
semp
Yup
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Try to understand that 2 windows releases are on sale at any given time (officially). Big direct OEMs aren't obliged to sell anything, however they'll push certain release because of huge upfront licensing costs and they'll try to recoup the costs as quickly as possible. Also, their licensing costs aren't determined by sales but by volume of upfront commitment. MS can't bump the licensing costs after the fact.
They also come with Win7 pre-installed and large chunk of Win8 machines come with downgrade rights.
Well that's where you're wrong. MS is pushing Win8 at full force and even using Win7 will become at a price penalty for the OEM. It's very essential to MS to make Win8 a success. That's why you see predominantly Win8 installs at oems. MS can and will bump licensing costs, just as they do for any OEM that will release other competing OSes on the side. They have agreements which will not 'raise the price' per se but they will lose refunds if they don't go exclusive on MS :)
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foolish boy. he's not used to the american way. we dont stick to the dells, compaq, etc. we also buy custom built computers which come with pre installed win7 or win8, your choice. heck some will also build our own.
welcome to 2013 mrripley, we dont just buy stuff off the shelves :cheers:.
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Foolish you, you Americans are the biggest end consumers of OEM computers and I'm 100% sure that the percentile of home builders is much larger in the tech savvy nordic countries for example. You have to stop looking at your own belly and wake up.
Your narrow mind fails to see the realities of general consumers who often don't even know what the OS is or what it does when they buy a computer.
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LOL........ad hominem attacks on america in general.
You've spun the topic away from the earlier ownage and all you got was more ownage from where your spin landed you.
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Oh yeah you wanna make fun of Americans bellys do ya? Well at least we drive on the correct side of the road!
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Well that's where you're wrong. MS is pushing Win8 at full force and even using Win7 will become at a price penalty for the OEM. It's very essential to MS to make Win8 a success. That's why you see predominantly Win8 installs at oems. MS can and will bump licensing costs, just as they do for any OEM that will release other competing OSes on the side. They have agreements which will not 'raise the price' per se but they will lose refunds if they don't go exclusive on MS :)
It's not about me being wrong, but about 4 largest OEM in US market. That's your claim.
Just a quick sampler among largest OEMs in their "consumer" sections
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Bam.
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Ignore MrRiplEy he has bitten the Apple and has a taste for the overpriced fruit......
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Ignore MrRiplEy he has bitten the Apple and has a taste for the overpriced fruit......
That is a nice one.
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Remember this thread?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsYG5emdZp8&feature=youtu.be
Maybe there is truth to the whole chem trail hoax? This is scary if true. I'm in California and it does not rain as it used to.
There is also a lot of heavy metal contamination in our local soil and my kids tested positive for maximum aluminum dioxide in their bloodstream recently.
If you do not chose to believe this: fine. However make sure you and your family wear sun screen at all times especially in the summer and get water purifiers. Below is another link to the Shasta County Board of Supervisors where multiple testimony by former officials in the military, scientists, ect... who testify affirming chem-trails or geoengineering.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4WhYKP83zo
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Ignore MrRiplEy he has bitten the Apple and has a taste for the overpriced fruit......
Oh yeah? And look who was right in the end. MS admitted their mistakes with Win8 with 8.1 and upcoming 9 having a total revamp of code.
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Oh yeah you wanna make fun of Americans bellys do ya? Well at least we drive on the correct side of the road!
An example of the US education system lol. Only the british drive left side in Europe.
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I was told by some people to the left of me that chemtrails are caused by global warming. They also assured me that global cooling is caused by global warming, drought is caused by Monsanto, gluten is poison and vaccines cause all sorts brain problems.
Recently on facebook I was not happy to see that a friend self diagnosed herself with Morgellons disease, so far Morgellons takes the cake.
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On my most recent tuna trip out of San Diego there was one angler who was so convinced; he kept asking: "you know, right".
When I shrugged, he said the chemicals the gov releases in the air; I thought ohhh man, extended 1.5day tuna trip with this guy; "hey anyone need to learn knots or want me to respool their reels? I'll give ya the line for free"...anything to get away from him. :uhoh
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GUYS!
Forum raid? (http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/forum/)
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^ can I bring my deer?
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^ can I bring my deer?
Another great four raid? :banana:
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Oh yeah you wanna make fun of Americans bellys do ya? Well at least we drive on the correct side of the road!
That was funny but not in the way you'd expect :)
Chemtrails conspiracy theories are all fun compared with the harm the people not 'believing' in vaccines can do. I guess natural selection will apply there, but they are also endangering everyone with their 'belief'
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My ex roommate was a huge conspiracy theorist. This dude believed in every single one. From the chemtrails to vaccines to GMOs to climate/weather controlled by the Gment to floride in the drinking water, you name it. He listened to that Alex dude everyday.
I'm telling you man, my other roommate and I have been sending him research study after research study to change his mind about vaccines. His argument is that we have been "dumbed down by the floride in the water in which case we wouldn't be able to "understand" his concept. Funny thing about that is we both graduated from college with business degrees and he couldn't even finish college taking anthropology courses (which he thought was the most profound course to study of all).
Honestly Skyrock, you should still be his friend and treat him the same. Maybe you should send him studies and more studies by acual scientest that state claims that agree with your yours.
Unfortunately, it is incredibly difficult to change these people's perspective because they believe that everyone and everything in this world is out to get us.
Just let them be scared man. It's a sad way to live but fear is the only way they can cope with reality in their ability to survive In this world.
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My ex roommate was a huge conspiracy theorist. This dude believed in every single one. From the chemtrails to vaccines to GMOs to climate/weather controlled by the Gment to floride in the drinking water, you name it. He listened to that Alex dude everyday.
I'm telling you man, my other roommate and I have been sending him research study after research study to change his mind about vaccines. His argument is that we have been "dumbed down by the floride in the water in which case we wouldn't be able to "understand" his concept. Funny thing about that is we both graduated from college with business degrees and he couldn't even finish college taking anthropology courses (which he thought was the most profound course to study of all).
Honestly Skyrock, you should still be his friend and treat him the same. Maybe you should send him studies and more studies by acual scientest that state claims that agree with your yours.
Unfortunately, it is incredibly difficult to change these people's perspective because they believe that everyone and everything in this world is out to get us.
Just let them be scared man. It's a sad way to live but fear is the only way they can cope with reality in their ability to survive In this world.
Vio - watch the first 5-10 minutes of it. I was/am a skeptic. But this looks legit.
This is why I brought back this thread because of this discussion last year.
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Remember this thread?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsYG5emdZp8&feature=youtu.be
Maybe there is truth to the whole chem trail hoax? This is scary if true. I'm in California and it does not rain as it used to.
There is also a lot of heavy metal contamination in our local soil and my kids tested positive for maximum aluminum dioxide in their bloodstream recently.
If you do not chose to believe this: fine. However make sure you and your family wear sun screen at all times especially in the summer and get water purifiers. Below is another link to the Shasta County Board of Supervisors where multiple testimony by former officials in the military, scientists, ect... who testify affirming chem-trails or geoengineering.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4WhYKP83zo
Environmentalists (real scientists, not the media) have been telling you- especially the "you" on the west coast, especially SoCal- for decades that if you keep crapping where you eat you're going to run into issues. Especially on the west coast- everyone had known since the 70s that over consumption and unchecked environmental rape was going to cause, certainly along other things, huge issues with drought as you consume far more water than the region can support. Of course, everybody only looked for half baked, short sighted chemical solutions like AgI cloud seeding so that everyone in LA could have their own private castle with a giant lawn, and fellate each other on having achieved the suburban dream.
Now- surprise- more damage has been done than the band aids can cure, and now everyone gets to reap what they've sown.
But of course, it can't be your fault, so just blame malevolent third parties and absolve yourself of all responsibility.
By the way, selling solar panels and having enough money to run a bunch of tests you dont know how to interpret doesn't make you a researcher or a scientist, it makes you a rich idiot. I have a similar gig, the people I work with are about as far from scientists as you can get.
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Sorry, I just don't agree with that.
Talk to me about over-consumption if California, SoCal has the same amounts of rainfall every year. Since the 90's our rainfall is only a fraction and altered weather patterns from geoengineering seems to be a cause.
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Okay. Please never make fun of Africans who think that Ebola is made up by western governments so that they can sterilize their countries or whatever, those people are your brothers across the sea.
Hopefully in the course of living like everyone is a king and not vaccinating your children, as few innocent lives will be ruined as possible before you all realize you're idiots.
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My ex roommate was a huge conspiracy theorist. This dude believed in every single one. From the chemtrails to vaccines to GMOs to climate/weather controlled by the Gment to floride in the drinking water, you name it. He listened to that Alex dude everyday.
I'm telling you man, my other roommate and I have been sending him research study after research study to change his mind about vaccines. His argument is that we have been "dumbed down by the floride in the water in which case we wouldn't be able to "understand" his concept. Funny thing about that is we both graduated from college with business degrees and he couldn't even finish college taking anthropology courses (which he thought was the most profound course to study of all).
Honestly Skyrock, you should still be his friend and treat him the same. Maybe you should send him studies and more studies by acual scientest that state claims that agree with your yours.
Unfortunately, it is incredibly difficult to change these people's perspective because they believe that everyone and everything in this world is out to get us.
Just let them be scared man. It's a sad way to live but fear is the only way they can cope with reality in their ability to survive In this world.
Fluoride in the drinking water and GMO's are not a theory.
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Weather modification is real...I'll post links soon
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Okay. Please never make fun of Africans who think that Ebola is made up by western governments so that they can sterilize their countries or whatever, those people are your brothers across the sea.
Hopefully in the course of living like everyone is a king and not vaccinating your children, as few innocent lives will be ruined as possible before you all realize you're idiots.
Help me. What does pro-vaccines and/or anti-vaccines have anything to do with metals in the atmosphere?
Did you watch the video yet? It sounds like there is a disconnect between your comments and the plot of the video.
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Help me. What does pro-vaccines and/or anti-vaccines have anything to do with metals in the atmosphere?
Did you watch the video yet? It sounds like there is a disconnect between your comments and the plot of the video.
People who spin weird pseudo scientific stories about vaccines use the same gaps in logic and scientific illiteracy of their viewers to make up these fantastic stories about how their homeopathic medicines work, the same way these chemtrail people convince everyone there's some mystical shadow government despite what scientists have been saying for decades. As a result there tends to be a huge demographic overlap. (edit: as it turns out, the presenter in this video cites a website and a doctor that both have taken up a crusade against vaccines and science based medicine, so there's your link there)
Of course, none of these ridiculous theories has one more millimeter of ice to stand on than any other.
This guy demonstrates by 5 minutes not only that he couldn't pass a high school chemistry class, but he can't even read the abstract of the patent he's got behind him. I really don't think I want to watch the whole thing. (edit: i will anyway it's almost entertaining)
This guy uses a classic youtube conspiracy trope like its his job. Notice how nearly every time he says 'the only place this is happening is the continental US', there are multiple other blue spots on the map, sometimes that are as big or darker. He also misinterprets the data for you away from 'this is where the temperatures are anomalous (although he does state this initially)' to 'this is where it's hot and this is where it's cold', at one point stating that 'it's hotter at the north pole than it is in the continental US!'. Believing this guy almost comes down to an issue of self respect.
It also comes down to scientific literacy. i don't know whether this guy is trying to be intentionally misleading or he's just never picked up a book about paleoclimatology, but every time he says 'this is unprecedented' with one of those maps of uneven climate change laterally across the US, he's showing you a picture that could have practically been taken from a textbook in a section about what you would expect to see during a period of climactic change.
He does raise a really important issue though: "how could it switch so radically in one year?"
This is a chart of proxy data used for temperature reconstructions from various core samples going back 40k years.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/30/Epica-vostok-grip-40kyr.png)
Our current climate rests on a pinhead of stability that has not existed on earth in a very long time. Human civilization is extremely dependent on this stability. The current epoch starts at about 10kya, this is the holocene (the previously mentioned period of notable climate stability). You'll notice that, during the last ice age at the end of the pleistocene, the temperatures were not just colder- they were all over the place. This is why scientists warn that climate change not only brings warmer temperatures, but flashes of colder ones. The earths climate is very complex and just because it trends one way does not mean a)it happens evenly across the globe (notice that the variability in the northern hemisphere was much more severe than that of the southern hemisphere) b)it happens consistently over short time spans.
By the way, in case you're curious about what Al2O3 looks like;
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You should consider that every property of the 'metals in the atmosphere' he talked about was either hilariously misinformed or worryingly misleading. If you remember back to literal high school chemistry, or maybe Chem 101 if a more recent course would be better, the properties of an ionic solid - that is, a metal cation bonded to a nonmetal anion- and then rewatch portions of this video, particularly the beginning, you'll find it pretty hilarious.
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The thread, from start to apparent dig-up and never finish, is a hoot riot. Please tell me you're not taking it seriously.
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Which portion should not be taken seriously? The fluoride, the GMOs, or the geo engineering?
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Which portion should not be taken seriously? The fluoride, the GMOs, or the geo engineering?
The chem-trail conspiracy and every 90' branch off that (http://replygif.net/i/1338.gif) (crazy) tree. :D
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People who spin weird pseudo scientific stories about vaccines use the same gaps in logic and scientific illiteracy of their viewers to make up these fantastic stories about how their homeopathic medicines work, the same way these chemtrail people convince everyone there's some mystical shadow government despite what scientists have been saying for decades. As a result...
I am not going to lie to you that I find curious his claims of atmospheric spraying and he shows the sky in that one image nearly perfect symmetry.
Am I 100% sure what he saying is true and correct? No
Are you 100% sure what you are saying is true and correct?
So either I am gullible or you are stubborn. So be it and I hope you are right. Just be sure to wear enough sunscreen and add a filter or 2 in your water supply just in case.
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Are you 100% sure what you are saying is true and correct?
Almost everything I've said you'd learn in the first year of a chemistry or geology/environmental science curriculum at any university. It's really basic science (with the exception of the paleoclimatological stuff but that's of special interest to me). So, yes.
There were things he talked about that, while sounding pretty funny, I could not say for sure were wrong because I don't have any experience in those fields. Everything I addressed in that post I do absolutely know that he was misrepresenting/lying about/had no idea what he was talking about.
Considering how systematically and completely every scientific 'fact' he said, that I was familiar with, was wrong (which was a good half or so of it), and he was basing most of the rest of his lecture on those 'facts', there is absolutely no reason to believe a single word of the rest of what he said.
He lies so consistently that I somewhat doubt his name is Dane Wigington.
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For the funny thing is that I don't trust governments, yet in this instance it's total pucky.
Everytime I hear of a so-called conspiracy, I put to what I call the Newt test; Gingrich said many years ago regarding a 9/11 conspiracy that DC is "too clunky" and too big to keep a secret like that; (paraphrasing) something like would have to involve so many working parts there would be no way to keep it secret. On the other hand JFK files being sealed til several generations are long gone, wel...
Chem trails, wouldn't somebody see the planes being loaded up with the said chemicals...
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that reminds me of this reporter for the new york times who said something along the lines of "the us government cannot keep a secret, there's way too many people involved that cant keep their mouths shut."
there would be hundred's of thousands of people involved that there's no way there wouldnt be a film of it on youtube by now. or pilots or ground crews talking on the news about it. after all it's also their families that are being affected by this so called "truth".
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I'll start with this link....http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&sqi=2&ved=0CB4QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.idwr.idaho.gov%2FWaterBoard%2FWaterPlanning%2FCAMP%2FTV_CAMP%2FPDF%2F2010%2F09-29-2010_IdahoPower_Cloud_Seeding_Program.pdf&ei=yoQhVKTwAs-OyATnnIHQBw&usg=AFQjCNHYgrOM2d485yf2chR84WXJxpfMwg&sig2=U6EHHXtKyeLIVFNBtnG0eA&bvm=bv.75775273,d.aWw (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&sqi=2&ved=0CB4QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.idwr.idaho.gov%2FWaterBoard%2FWaterPlanning%2FCAMP%2FTV_CAMP%2FPDF%2F2010%2F09-29-2010_IdahoPower_Cloud_Seeding_Program.pdf&ei=yoQhVKTwAs-OyATnnIHQBw&usg=AFQjCNHYgrOM2d485yf2chR84WXJxpfMwg&sig2=U6EHHXtKyeLIVFNBtnG0eA&bvm=bv.75775273,d.aWw) its a pdf and it explains how the state of Idaho uses cloud seeding to create more snowfall...Ill be back with more...
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Here is a paper from the air force in 1996....and I just want to say that I'm not talking about the government using chemtrails against the population or anything like that...I'm talking about geo-engineering/weather modification
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CB4QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fcsat.au.af.mil%2F2025%2Fvolume3%2Fvol3ch15.pdf&ei=9oUhVJfkIYGuyASSoYDgBw&usg=AFQjCNEzlTlf2fG8fp2ZUaCaxp-8rlDEWw&sig2=vGAnOlrwQoKzIq4mwK2VzQ&bvm=bv.75775273,d.aWw (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CB4QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fcsat.au.af.mil%2F2025%2Fvolume3%2Fvol3ch15.pdf&ei=9oUhVJfkIYGuyASSoYDgBw&usg=AFQjCNEzlTlf2fG8fp2ZUaCaxp-8rlDEWw&sig2=vGAnOlrwQoKzIq4mwK2VzQ&bvm=bv.75775273,d.aWw) This spraying in the atmosphere isn't a conspiracy at all...it's proven science that they have been expanding on since the 40's...
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that reminds me of this reporter for the new york times who said something along the lines of "the us government cannot keep a secret, there's way too many people involved that cant keep their mouths shut."
there would be hundred's of thousands of people involved that there's no way there wouldnt be a film of it on youtube by now. or pilots or ground crews talking on the news about it. after all it's also their families that are being affected by this so called "truth".
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Look, I am not calling this a conspiracy or a conspiracy theory. I am just pointing out there is testimony of weather modification via geoengineering. The government felt at the time due to the dissipation of the Ozone and skyrocketing of UV rays that metallic aerosol spraying in the upper atmosphere would benefit north America.
And yes, I have seen interviews with pilots that "claimed" to have flown these plane. Interestingly I would have thought they be bound by silence?
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Back from the dead thread. The 2 fundamental problems with trying to convince a conspiracy theorist that they are wrong is that you are trying to prove a negative and that,generally, any contradictory evidence is seen as just more evidence of the extent and deception of the conspiracy. People would rather believe in order than chaos,(I believe this is part of what makes humans such excellent pattern recognizers and why we know so much about the world.)
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that reminds me of this reporter for the new york times who said something along the lines of "the us government cannot keep a secret, there's way too many people involved that cant keep their mouths shut."
there would be hundred's of thousands of people involved that there's no way there wouldnt be a film of it on youtube by now. or pilots or ground crews talking on the news about it. after all it's also their families that are being affected by this so called "truth".
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^ this
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Back from the dead thread. The 2 fundamental problems with trying to convince a conspiracy theorist that they are wrong is that you are trying to prove a negative and that,generally, any contradictory evidence is seen as just more evidence of the extent and deception of the conspiracy. People would rather believe in order than chaos,(I believe this is part of what makes humans such excellent pattern recognizers and why we know so much about the world.)
It is not a conspiracy theory. Just watch the video as he goes to the Shasta County board of supervisors and testifies. This is a government video, not a production video of a conspiracy theory.
Guys, don't comment if you don't know what the premises are. :huh
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Im not sure where we went wrong in society. We used to be a people of science and reason...and now here we are in 2013 running around looking for Giants under the Earths crust, Bigfoot (and the cities they dwell in aparently), Chemtrails, UFOs, Ghosts, Goblins, Spirits, Gov't conspiracies practically daily now (I farted so is it because the CIA put something in my beans?)...I mean...WTF is wrong with us? It can't be a good sign. When did we start painting our faces blue and barking at the freaking moon?
...Be skeptical with the Govt, be open minded, ok, I get that...but to buy into all these nutty things so easily is just not healthy.
I blame the internet to some extent. Yes it has loads of facts and knowledge. However it also has an overwhelming amount of pure BS that some people just make for entertainment. Then people actually buy into the stuff. People need to stop viewing the world through a screen and actually look at the world and breath in it.
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its hard to believe the us government or any other being could be batting 1.000, especially considering the extreme difficulty of most conspiracies. :headscratch: Lets look at the alien issue. You know how stupid the government is? They actually did research about aliens. :rolleyes: well, you cant blame them. I can also Imagine alien technology would be of great use.
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Here is another one...this one closer to home for me....
The Oklahoma Weather Modification Program is an operational cloud-seeding program with the dual goals of rainfall enhancement and hail suppression. The program began in 1996 as the Oklahoma Weather Modification Demonstration Program (OKWMDP). The purpose of the OKWMDP was to evaluate the potential effects and benefits of weather modification in Oklahoma. After three years of evaluation the state government decided to implement the progam as an official element of Oklahoma's water management strategy. A state law was passed in 1999 creating a new Weather Modification Division within the Oklahoma Water Resources Board. The law also created a Weather Modification Advisory Board to oversee weather modification efforts. A contractor provides the personnel, aircraft, and associated equipment and conducts the seeding operations. Since the program's beginning in 1996 Weather Modification Inc. of North Dakota has been the contractor.
I think its pretty safe to say that this is not some sort of conspiracy or hoax...don't you think?
How many more state's weather modification plans would you like me to post...I know Texas is spraying like a MFer right now due to their drought issues...matter of fact I think I can get you a video over it...
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Without the spread of communication I believe we would be in even more trouble than we are. By this I mean, people could do what ever they wanted and since no one is there to spread the ideas or happenings they could keep on doing it with no outcry or judgment of the people. The only issue is however is the exageration of these ideas that give people loony expectations of what they are trying percieve. A great example is Aliens: Over the passed 50 years the media have depicted aliens as rather smart, intelligent beings who fly in masculate spaceships, so this is how the majority of people think aliens are gonna be. Mark my words, ifff we encounter aliens in our life time they will be nothing more than single cell to tiny multicellular organisms floating around in some liquid or from an astroid. Quite a dissapointment from our perceptions as the media would like us to think , such is life.
The propaganda of this geoengineering would like you to believe that the government is going to be able cause hurricanes and tornados whenever and where ever they please. This is not the case. There is a big difference between creating a few clouds in the sky and controlling wind patterns. Directing pressure waves and currents in a "never ending sky" let's say, would be like trying to blow up an air mattress with your mouth.
The media wants you to think "chemicals" and anything that has "chemicals" in it are a bad thing. Funny thing about that is that well, everything is made of chemicals. Every single thing you see is made of chemicals combined by compounds made from elements. It's only the chemicals the media says are bad, which in turn makes people think "chemicals are bad" .
Let's take GMOs and Vaccines for example. The "chemicals" in GMOs are essentially the product itself (everything it's made of)GMOs have some life preserving chemicals to keep bugs away. Now what does GMO mean. It means they have messed with the genetics of the product through breeding, cross breeding and finding the best traits to pass to the offspring, much like Gregor mendal achieved. They are searching for ways that food can be grown more quickly, in different conditions, have better quality, and are still nutritional. This is not a scheme to kill people off or make people sick. It is simply a better way to preserve and create food for billions of people.
That being said, I do not agree with Monsanto and their right to own and patent seeds. That's some out right garbage and the Gment don't give a S&!t because of lobbies and that pisses me off because it is screwing farmers in the arse.
Vaccines are chemicals!! Do you realize what our society would have become without scientist who dedicated their lives to create Vaccines to kill off nasty diseases. Americans are so stuck up the prettythang these days because everything runs so great that they would rather believe vaccines give children autism than see our history and think wow these vaccines really stopped the outbreak of deadly diseases. They say children have a 90% chance of contracting disease when they don't have vaccines compared to about 5% that did get a vaccine. Why in your right minds would you send your child to school unvaccinated.. People who are against Vaccines are the true Anti civilization in this world. I can only think of one word for these people : Idiots.
The governmemt is too large and has more to worry about than creating things to somehow make everyone who lives life a breathing hell. They would be stupid to kill off people in these "unsuspecting" ways because well, that's less tax money isn't it hehe.
In my opinion people who think the united states is ran by Dr. Evil and the crew (illuminati) are just plain ignornant. They would essentially be doing it to themselves and their families for the next generations so why would this idea of destroying americans through these slow and painless processes be something that would benefit anything to their desires. What is the payoff?
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Christ Almighty - the fruitbaggery in the "Recommended For You" section of YouTube I've had to put up with since I clicked on that one vid: "We know it's happening, so, like, it's happening."
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Christ Almighty - the fruitbaggery in the "Recommended For You" section of YouTube I've had to put up with since I clicked on that one vid: "We know it's happening, so, like, it's happening."
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It is not a conspiracy theory. Just watch the video as he goes to the Shasta County board of supervisors and testifies. This is a government video, not a production video of a conspiracy theory.
Guys, don't comment if you don't know what the premises are. :huh
Isn't the premise that airplanes are spraying something in the air that is contminating the earth and that it is being done secretly and deceptively? Further that their exists a conspiracy to discredit people who assert that this is happening.
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Isn't the premise that airplanes are spraying something in the air that is contminating the earth and that it is being done secretly and deceptively? Further that their exists a conspiracy to discredit people who assert that this is happening.
It depends on how you approach the topic. If you yell out - chem trails to purposely poison your own citizenry, then I agree with your premise.
If however if the spraying is done to help block out harmful radiation on your citizens, which has gone up 400% in recent decades to protect the citizens, then I would say that our government had the best of intentions, with unintended consequences.
Could it be that our atmosphere world-wide is in worse shape that we were all aware of and our government did not want to panic us? Perhaps - for the best of causes.
I suppose you can watch the video and judge for yourself and always cross-reference it.
My dad, elderly and my uncles have all told me that they feel their skin irritates quite easily compared to decades ago. Is it their imagination or is it because of our UV levels rising?
So maybe the question is: Are UV levels so high that aerosol spraying is tool used by our government to help protect us?
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Jeez...what would they think about a crop duster?
Ram
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Ahhhh the global dimming aspect of spraying....I'm glad I didn't have to bring it up....There are government papers out on that too, and international governmental papers...do I need to post the links of that?....I noticed that no one said anything about the other 3 government reports that I posted about weather modification/geo-engineering...probably because they are proven science and you can't tell someone to take off their tin foil hat that it is a conspiracy theory when the facts are in black and white....
So how many different papers of this hoax spraying that is happening but isn't really happening do I need to post?
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Ahhhh the global dimming aspect of spraying....I'm glad I didn't have to bring it up....There are government papers out on that too, and international governmental papers...do I need to post the links of that?....I noticed that no one said anything about the other 3 government reports that I posted about weather modification/geo-engineering...probably because they are proven science and you can't tell someone to take off their tin foil hat that it is a conspiracy theory when the facts are in black and white....
So how many different papers of this hoax spraying that is happening but isn't really happening do I need to post?
An infinite number of posts won't change the fact that it is delusional. Period. There were thousands of published papers and theories explaining over and over again why the world is flat. 5 idiots adding their IQ together does not make a genius.
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Ahhhh the global dimming aspect of spraying....I'm glad I didn't have to bring it up....There are government papers out on that too, and international governmental papers...do I need to post the links of that?....I noticed that no one said anything about the other 3 government reports that I posted about weather modification/geo-engineering...probably because they are proven science and you can't tell someone to take off their tin foil hat that it is a conspiracy theory when the facts are in black and white....
So how many different papers of this hoax spraying that is happening but isn't really happening do I need to post?
Don't waste your energy. Just go eat some delicious GMO and watch Honey Boo Boo.
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Don't waste your energy. Just go eat some delicious GMO and watch Honey Boo Boo.
:rofl :rofl
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So...putting up government published papers about weather modifacation now has me discussing g.m. food...nice... :headscratch:
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You missed my point.
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On my most recent tuna trip out of San Diego there was one angler who was so convinced; he kept asking: "you know, right".
When I shrugged, he said the chemicals the gov releases in the air; I thought ohhh man, extended 1.5day tuna trip with this guy; "hey anyone need to learn knots or want me to respool their reels? I'll give ya the line for free"...anything to get away from him. :uhoh
Oh dear lord had the same thing happen to me. Guy going off about tower 7 on 9/11 being intentionally brought down. After politely explaining to him why it failed. He just wouldn't let it go. I excused myself and went in the cabin and started tying fluke rigs for anyone that wanted them. I about died when I read your post. Been there!! :rofl
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Oh dear lord had the same thing happen to me. Guy going off about tower 7 on 9/11 being intentionally brought down. After politely explaining to him why it failed. He just wouldn't let it go. I excused myself and went in the cabin and started tying fluke rigs for anyone that wanted them. I about died when I read your post. Been there!! :rofl
So how did tower 7 go down?
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So how did tower 7 go down?
http://www.debunking911.com/pull.htm
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Here is another one...this one closer to home for me....
The Oklahoma Weather Modification Program is an operational cloud-seeding program with the dual goals of rainfall enhancement and hail suppression. The program began in 1996 as the Oklahoma Weather Modification Demonstration Program (OKWMDP). The purpose of the OKWMDP was to evaluate the potential effects and benefits of weather modification in Oklahoma. After three years of evaluation the state government decided to implement the progam as an official element of Oklahoma's water management strategy. A state law was passed in 1999 creating a new Weather Modification Division within the Oklahoma Water Resources Board. The law also created a Weather Modification Advisory Board to oversee weather modification efforts. A contractor provides the personnel, aircraft, and associated equipment and conducts the seeding operations. Since the program's beginning in 1996 Weather Modification Inc. of North Dakota has been the contractor.
I think its pretty safe to say that this is not some sort of conspiracy or hoax...don't you think?
How many more state's weather modification plans would you like me to post...I know Texas is spraying like a MFer right now due to their drought issues...matter of fact I think I can get you a video over it...
they have been doing this stuff for years. if you got the money and the hope it might be worth it. :confused: many times the all the paramaters for rain are not quite together and I could imagine there are instances when cloud seeding could make a significant difference. Moving to a place it rains more often...well thats just silly. :bolt:
there is a bacteria that releases substance and after it has been drawn into the atmosphere this substance lowers the freezing point, causing premature ice nucleation, therefore allowing the bacteria to be transported further in the environment. this bacteria is a pest to farmers as it can make the difference in crop damage by frost. this could be another benefit of the bacterias naturally induced premature ice formation, in that increasing the damage to plants at frost increases food availability. I have not talked to the bacteria yet so im not sure what he thinks. but the transport factor makes the most sense to me.
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http://www.debunking911.com/pull.htm
i never hear many conspirators talk about the 25% of the base of the building being wiped out. not much about how one side drops out first. not much about the firefighters seeing the bulges and cracks, not much about the thousands of witnesses that that were spoofed by the wu-tang clan ninjas that snuck in after the towers fell and rigged up explosives, and omg i cant type anymore. *shakes head in shame at the crap people will believe.
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Can't believe that the same government incompetents can be so competent at blowing stuff up without evidence. But...
Don't recall ever seeing footage of the plane hitting the Pentagon. There are probably cameras over every square inch of that place. Anyone have a link with pics of the plane hitting? :noid
The whole Bin Laden raid story smells fishy too. Dumping the body at sea? Yeah OK I believe you guys. ;)
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For all your conspiracy needs that were proven believe it or not
http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/2hckuq/what_crazy_conspiracy_theory_turned_out_to_be_true/
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Can't believe that the same government incompetents can be so competent at blowing stuff up without evidence. But...
Don't recall ever seeing footage of the plane hitting the Pentagon. There are probably cameras over every square inch of that place. Anyone have a link with pics of the plane hitting? :noid
The whole Bin Laden raid story smells fishy too. Dumping the body at sea? Yeah OK I believe you guys. ;)
This is what gets me borderline homicidal with conspiracy junkies... They formulate almost every argument based upon what they DON'T KNOW, rather than what they do know. On 9/11/01, there were just four video cameras filming the exterior of the Pentagon. Only one was pointing to where the crash occurred, and you can see the airplane! There is a lack of personal video shot at the Pentagon, because government and military personnel were forbidden to film or take photos on or of the grounds.
This explanation of the Pentagon crash is the best you'll find.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVDdjLQkUV8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVDdjLQkUV8)
This next one is among the worst. Riddled with ignorance, and an utter disconnect with reality. I love the intro...
"A three year independent investigation into the September 11, 2001 attack on the Pentagon has yielded new eyewitness evidence which, according to the Southern California-based researchers who conducted the investigation, "conclusively (and unfortunately) establishes as a historical fact that the violence which took place in Arlington that day was not the result of a surprise attack by suicide hijackers, but rather a military black operation involving a carefully planned and skillfully executed deception."
http://www.freedomfiles.org/war/pentagon.htm (http://www.freedomfiles.org/war/pentagon.htm)
Who were the investigators? Mostly unemployed (for being unemployable) nutjobs who were investigating, and only selecting (cherry picking) evidence to support the idea they had preconceived. Of course, most of these "investigators" have zero training or experience in air crash forensics, and walked in with conclusions already drawn. They were and are only looking for shreds to support the delusions. Personally, I believe that many of these folks are simply mentally ill.
I have a designer in the Engineering office who is completely paranoid. He believes that certain people are somehow conspiring to get him fired. He swears that the 9/11 attacks were done by the government. The moon landings were a hoax. Believes that the NSA taps his phone, reads his email and watches his house because his brother lives and works in Qatar... He's 60 years old, wears his hair at shoulder length, doesn't use shoelaces, drives a 1964 Ford Falcon and cannot understand the simplest joke.... But, he's very good at what he does, and he doesn't bother folks in the department. Aside from being nuts, he's a good, talented and reliable employee. He'll work for us as long as he wants to. When he goes off the rails with his paranoia, I usually have to deal with him. I can get him calmed down and focused on his work... Not a bad guy, just nuts....
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Paranoia is a serious mental illness and should not be taken lightly. These people need professional help.
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Can't believe that the same government incompetents can be so competent at blowing stuff up without evidence. But...
Don't recall ever seeing footage of the plane hitting the Pentagon. There are probably cameras over every square inch of that place. Anyone have a link with pics of the plane hitting? :noid
The whole Bin Laden raid story smells fishy too. Dumping the body at sea? Yeah OK I believe you guys. ;)
My squaddie, SEViper, was on the freeway driving past the pentagon when the plane flew over him and into the pentagon. I questioned the airplane myself until SEViper told me her saw it with his own 2 eyes. I have no reason to doubt him as an eye-witness.
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My squaddie, SEViper, was on the freeway driving past the pentagon when the plane flew over him and into the pentagon. I questioned the airplane myself until SEViper told me her saw it with his own 2 eyes. I have no reason to doubt him as an eye-witness.
A friends wife saw it from the freeway as well.
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(http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/jet_fuel.png)
Source: XKCD
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Ask him if he suffers from Morgellon's disease too.
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(http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/jet_fuel.png)
Source: XKCD
Good point, aluminium oxide burns hot!
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Well I ran into one of the chemtrail believers today. I was standing in my favorite local sub shop talking to an employee. He interrupts us and says "ya ever notice...I don't mean to interrupt..." I said, don't worry about it what were you saying?"
He said, "ya ever notice the fake clouds?" I said, "No." His body language said, "another one that doesn't realize what the government is doing to them." Then he said, "well I been studying this, see those were just contrails that turned into clouds don't you think that's weird?"
At this point I realize he's more than a bit crazy, so I said, "that is kinda strange, but I'm always looking down at my phone, I hardly ever look up." You could tell he was wanting to say something about how the cell phones fit the whole conspiracy.
Before he could say anything about cell phones the employee said, "I have noticed a lot more helicopters and airplanes lately, but the guy that was in here yesterday said they were doing surveys for the oil and gas drilling companies." He then responds with, "of course they'd say that," with a kinda see I told you so look on his face.
I was really tempted to tell him that the only time I look at the sky is at night, through my telescope, and you would not believe the weird things I've seen. If you think the chemtrails look bad during they day you should see them at night.
I have a really bad poker face and knew I was going to crack if I keep egging him on so I made my exit. He was on the scary side of crazy so it was probably for the best that I left when I did.
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You should have asked him if he knew how clouds are created (besides the simple answer of condensation). Then asked him if he knew whether the earth was heated by infared rays or heat waves from the sun at night. Then asked him why it's so warmer outside when it's cloudy during the night. If he could not answer those questions. He probably needs to do some ore "research".
It's hilarious that people who don't have the faintest clue about weather and climate, or even science in general for that matter, will tell how they know this crap is real based on an idiot news article from some idiotic journalist.
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You should have asked him if he knew how clouds are created (besides the simple answer of condensation). Then asked him if he knew whether the earth was heated by infared rays or heat waves from the sun at night. Then asked him why it's so warmer outside when it's cloudy during the night. If he could not answer those questions. He probably needs to do some ore "research".
It's hilarious that people who don't have the faintest clue about weather and climate, or even science in general for that matter, will tell how they know this crap is real based on an idiot news article from some idiotic journalist.
^ This dude was not your I hold down a day job and believe in conspiracy type. He was wearing PJs in the middle of the day. He looked and acted like a crazed drug addict. I didn't want to push him too far. Now if it was someone I knew reasonably well I would have been asking the tough questions.
BTW don't ya know reading idiot news articles from idiotic journalists is serious research. Ya can't listen the scientists, they're in on it too! :noid
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Should of told him that the northern lights are caused by all the chemtrails pooling at the north pole and reacting with one another
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(http://images.yuku.com/image/jpeg/44736dd217006686abc9bd7a6b12a3e0f75063d4.jpg)
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An infinite number of posts won't change the fact that it is delusional. Period. There were thousands of published papers and theories explaining over and over again why the world is flat. 5 idiots adding their IQ together does not make a genius.
"5 idiots adding their IQ together does not make a genius." I love that, i'm keeping that for later. :aok
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I see crazy conspiracy theories all the time and see people jabber on about them more than a school teacher lecturing. I honestly don't wanna know how many people actually believe in all that bull. I think I heard in some corner of the internet that 30% of Americans don't know who the 1st president of The United States was. I even know immigrants from Mexico who know more about US history. (yet the "real americans" are the ones with signs telling them to get out :headscratch: ) Anyway that's besides the point, the point is I have a little folder on my phone and computer here just for the conspiracy believing fellers. They try and strike up a debate about 9/11, HAARP, chem trails, etc. I just give them a link compacted with debunking facts and information on why their theory is wrong. I'm glad to say I've changed a couple young minds from believing it too. Remember when I say "young" though, the older ones I've came across are too deep in it to ever get out despite whatever information I may give them.
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"5 idiots adding their IQ together does not make a genius." I love that, i'm keeping that for later. :aok
Actually if the 5 idiots manage to accumulate their intellect, the combined iq is above the threshold of genius (125 iq as referenced on papers by Leslie, Shurkin, Jensen, Eysenck, fl Pickover 1998-2006,) .
Unfortunately only stupidity accumulates in a group, not the other way around. That's why you can't make anything foolproof because fools are so ingenious.
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I remember when somebody on 200 was talking about how the steel was hot to the touch days after it happened. I work at a steel mill and every day we get what we call "runbacks" bars that for some reason get kicked out of the furnace. 3 days after they get kicked out you will still get burned if you touch them.
we have bars that are 8 or 9in thick from 36in to 72in that sometimes when they get kicked off the furnace they are so "wavy" that they are pretty much useless and we have to scrap them.
I was called a lier just for saying what I see almost every day at work.
semp
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I remember when somebody on 200 was talking about how the steel was hot to the touch days after it happened. I work at a steel mill and every day we get what we call "runbacks" bars that for some reason get kicked out of the furnace. 3 days after they get kicked out you will still get burned if you touch them.
we have bars that are 8 or 9in thick from 36in to 72in that sometimes when they get kicked off the furnace they are so "wavy" that they are pretty much useless and we have to scrap them.
I was called a lier just for saying what I see almost every day at work.
semp
Are you sure you posted to the correct thread?
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Are you sure you posted to the correct thread?
of course it was the 911 conspiracy about how the steel was hot to the touch days after.
semp
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of course it was the 911 conspiracy about how the steel was hot to the touch days after.
semp
Ah right. Wasn't there also a huge pool of molten metal under the debris? That would keep the top parts hot also.
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Met a guy going on about Sandy Hook, hmmm. Interesting stuff there I don't have time for.
One thing though, those debunking conspiracy claims Newtown, CT, cite the Huffington Post as their primary and most credible source...
HuffPo :rofl
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Cloud seeding is real though. I was in San Antonio in the summer of 2007 in south texas where wild cactus grows. And at a time when drought and water restrictions are the norm it rained every day for 45 consecutive days. Nothing remotely like that had ever happened in south texas history. So I did some digging, some universities in the area had been experimenting with cloud seeding in the few years up to 2007, but I couldn't find any info on cloud seeding in 2007. I know the USAF had a cloud seeding unit that purportedly extended the monsoon season in vietnam by 45 days during the war there.
After the 1996 visits by Bomar and Wentworth (23), several agencies moved quickly to form the South Texas Weather Modification Association and initiate cloud seeding in May 1997 (24). The Evergreen Underground Water District and the counties of Wilson, Karnes, Frio, Atascosa, McMullen, Live Oak, and Bee agreed to share the cost of a three-year program. While there are disputes about whether or not cloud-seeding actually works, one thing for certain is it's not cheap. In San Angelo it cost $411,000 to seed above 7.2 million acres. The effort spearheaded by the Evergeeen District cost $282,000 per year. The first mission was flown along the Wilson-Atascosa county line on May 16, 1997, the same day the TNRCC granted the license to operate. Within hours, a large area received 1-4 inches of rainfall, but the National Weather Service said it would be very difficult to determine if the cloud-seeding caused it because a lot of heavy activity was expected anyway.
In 1998 the Edwards Aquifer Authority set aside $500,000 for cloud-seeding and in July asked Governor George W. Bush to suspend the regulations requiring a state permit to conduct cloud seeding so they could begin a program immediately (25). The permit was tied up by protests of people living along creeks who feared that flooding would result; but it was eventually issued in October 1998 (26). The Authority gave assurances that no cloud-seeding would be conducted if severe storm warnings were issued, if storm clouds moved slowly and posed a flooding threat, or if storms continued to track over the same area. In January 1999 the Authority’s board approved a four year contract to conduct cloud seeding (27). The first scheduled effort on April 15, 1999 was canceled because there were no clouds (28).
In June 2001, after several years of cloud-seeding efforts (29, 30), the Edwards Aquifer Authority board approved a study to determine if the amount of rain produced can be quantified (31). EAA General Manager Greg Ellis said "Here, we have a very unique situation with our rain gauges, our stream flow measures and our aquifer measures to actually determine as that rain is falling how much of that is benefitting the region, how much is actually getting to the ground and into the aquifer."
In 2004, in light of the findings of the National Academy of Science (1), the EAA considered eliminating funding for cloud seeding, but eventually included $153,520 in their 2005 budget for cloud-seeding flights and an independent evaluation of previous efforts (32).
In 2007, the EAA approved cloud seeding efforts for the ninth year in a row, and for the first time the program included a method to statistically evaluate the project's effectiveness. Four Board members voted against continuing the program, saying there was evidence that cloud seeding could actually decrease rainfall by accident, and they also had concerns about the EAA paying for scientific studies to investigate something the National Academy had already concluded doesn't work
If you ask me it looks like somebody wanted to prove the National Academy of Science wrong.
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You should have asked him if he knew how clouds are created (besides the simple answer of condensation). Then asked him if he knew whether the earth was heated by infared rays or heat waves from the sun at night. Then asked him why it's so warmer outside when it's cloudy during the night. If he could not answer those questions. He probably needs to do some ore "research".
It's hilarious that people who don't have the faintest clue about weather and climate, or even science in general for that matter, will tell how they know this crap is real based on an idiot news article from some idiotic journalist.
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I have an uncle who truly believes what he says when he talks about this. I tried inserting even minimal amounts of logic into it and it did no good. No amount of fact can point them in any other direction then what they perceive. I'm willing to listen to anyone who will at least consider science may be real but he was not prepared to discuss so much as spout. Their main defense generally becomes the adult equivalent of "I know you are but what am I?"
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You should have asked him if he knew how clouds are created (besides the simple answer of condensation). Then asked him if he knew whether the earth was heated by infared rays or heat waves from the sun at night. Then asked him why it's so warmer outside when it's cloudy during the night. If he could not answer those questions. He probably needs to do some ore "research".
It's hilarious that people who don't have the faintest clue about weather and climate, or even science in general for that matter, will tell how they know this crap is real based on an idiot news article from some idiotic journalist.
Vio,
I am open minded to skeptics. I honestly can't answer your question above.
That being said, please go to 25:08 of the video I presented on page 11 of this thread and I'd like for you to rebut what Dane explained here. I'd like to know how this is possible outside Dane's explanation.
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We defeated Germany with Chemtrails not bombs. Look at all those B-17s trailing vapor, er, I mean chemicals, all across Europe!!!!
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Vio,
I am open minded to skeptics. I honestly can't answer your question above.
That being said, please go to 25:08 of the video I presented on page 11 of this thread and I'd like for you to rebut what Dane explained here. I'd like to know how this is possible outside Dane's explanation.
I went to 25 min in the video and all I saw was a picture of contrails and this Dane guy saying how it is not normal. I didn't hear any scientific evidence. He just said high bypass turbo fan engines are almost incapable of making contrails like that. He goes on and encourages the view to "look it up." Almost incapable...those are some strong words, definitely swayed me :D
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My dad, elderly and my uncles have all told me that they feel their skin irritates quite easily compared to decades ago. Is it their imagination or is it because of our UV levels rising?
It's because your skin changes as you get older. :old:
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It's because your skin changes as you get older. :old:
Shhhhhh (true but) shhhhhhh
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The message I am getting is that there are some colossal morons out there who are ripe for a fleecing.
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I went to 25 min in the video and all I saw was a picture of contrails and this Dane guy saying how it is not normal. I didn't hear any scientific evidence. He just said high bypass turbo fan engines are almost incapable of making contrails like that. He goes on and encourages the view to "look it up." Almost incapable...those are some strong words, definitely swayed me :D
So you did not find the contrails somewhat interesting pattern? It does not seem odd to you? I just pointed out a section that seems without alternative explanation.
Now, I am not saying I 100% convinced of there being such thing as a chemtrail. But I am also not 100% convinced there is no such thing either.
I worry about the people that will tell others they are convinced or not convinced without argument. So far, nobody here has come up with anything remotely close to the quality of argument that Dane has made, yet pontificates to the validity of your arguments. :old:
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So you did not find the contrails somewhat interesting pattern? It does not seem odd to you?
No?
What's abnormal about it? It looks like a bunch of airliners were flying in what's vaguely a grid shape. But only very vaguely? It's probably near an airport? Some high traffic area? He gives no indication of where it was.
The problem is the entire time he says 'this is not normal, is it?' but never answers that question, expecting everyone to uncomfortably laugh in agreement so as not to appear stupid (the emperor wears no clothes).
He provides no reason why that photograph isn't normal. If he had any proof of anything he would've presented it. He doesn't and so he didn't.
It makes it nearly impossible to address those points of his arguments because they aren't arguments. "Does THIS look normal to YOU?" "This is UNPRECEDENTED!" Do you think this has ever happened BEFORE?" "It must be CHEMTRAILS!"
Those aren't arguments. (furthermore, it doesn't matter whether or not you think it's happened before. it probably has (in all of the cases he brings up it certainly has/is completely normal.) you're not an expert. your opinion on whether contrail patterns appear normal is totally and wholly worthless.) He's not saying anything. He's asking a question, planting an idea in your head to lead you to an answer, and then suggesting an answer, with no actual supporting evidence. You can't make a counterargument because there are no points to refute in the first place.
Honestly if you fall for this sort of trick it doesn't make you open minded, it makes you naive bordering on stupid.
And vaguely grid shaped things appear all the time, in nature and in the things we make. Go look at a leaf or a map of a city. Why in the world would contrail patterns be a random incoherent web? Nature is generally fairly ordered and as a result we are too, even if we don't intend to be. (not that my opinion matters at all here, i have no more idea how air traffic is controlled than this guy does, but I don't see why that means you should trust the person who is systematically wrong on something he presents no evidence for)
And of course cloud seeding and related technologies exist. Silver Iodide cloud seeding was invented by Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.'s older brother over a half a century ago and has been used extensively since.
You'll notice that none of this apparatus are subtle and none of the streams look like contrails. Chemtrails are science fiction that is especially light on the science. There's no reason to believe a single word this man says about how this technology is being used because every time he opens his mouth he only explains that he has no idea what he's talking about as far as chemistry or anything else he's talking about goes.
(http://images.gizmag.com/hero/cloud-seeding.jpg)
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(http://www.ucar.edu/communications/staffnotes/9609/cloudseed.gif)
This argument reminds me of this clickhole article.
http://www.clickhole.com/blogpost/my-doctor-told-me-i-should-vaccinate-my-children-t-653
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Now what does GMO mean. It means they have messed with the genetics of the product through breeding, cross breeding and finding the best traits to pass to the offspring, much like Gregor mendal achieved.
That is absolutely not what a GMO is. That's what a dog or a cat or an ear of corn is.
For GMOs scientists directly splice in sections of DNA from other sources to try to create the traits they want. It's very trial and error. It's a little bit disconcerting. Especially considering we're always finding out that there's much more to genetic material than we thought, and long sections of DNA we thought didn't code for anything in fact do. Happens all the time.
My roommate is a biochemist who does research in finding novel expressions in viral RNA. RNA being in a very rough sense half as complex as DNA, but in the viri he's studying there's still large sections of RNA which we're completely clueless about.
He avoids GMO foods. So do I. I don't think they're inherently harmful, I just don't trust that they're not. It's a big leap to make to do genetic engineering like this while we're still so new in this corner of biology.
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He provides no reason why that photograph isn't normal.
This argument reminds me of this clickhole article.
http://www.clickhole.com/blogpost/my-doctor-told-me-i-should-vaccinate-my-children-t-653
I don't need to place an entire quote - but I am not going to factoid as well off of your words. :cheers:
That being said, The area is question was over Shasta County -2nd video. He is a scientist with his credentials disclosed up front and he does actually explain it.
What is your scientific rebuttal? You state its a contrail - an NO, they don't fly those patterns near an airport at 30k+. I live close to LAX and John Wayne and this does not happen.
Look, you may be right about this whole thing - just as he explains it this is odd, please explain it, without conjecture, why it's normal.
Hey, I'm open minded that chemtrails are bogus. I never bought off on aliens, HAARP, parts of 911, and the Iluminatass... :rofl
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http://youtu.be/2jyY6rqP_3Q
SHUT UP conspiracy theorist!! :O :rofl
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I wonder if chemtrails can kill the Ebola virus? Oh, and help banana trees grow. :banana:
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That is absolutely not what a GMO is. That's what a dog or a cat or an ear of corn is.
For GMOs scientists directly splice in sections of DNA from other sources to try to create the traits they want. It's very trial and error. It's a little bit disconcerting. Especially considering we're always finding out that there's much more to genetic material than we thought, and long sections of DNA we thought didn't code for anything in fact do. Happens all the time.
My roommate is a biochemist who does research in finding novel expressions in viral RNA. RNA being in a very rough sense half as complex as DNA, but in the viri he's studying there's still large sections of RNA which we're completely clueless about.
He avoids GMO foods. So do I. I don't think they're inherently harmful, I just don't trust that they're not. It's a big leap to make to do genetic engineering like this while we're still so new in this corner of biology.
Yes, although this would be the first step to the process. Mine is nearly the second part. You still have to make sure the seeds grow into the correct product while still being able to reproduce with those changes in DNA. And what the product of breeding with those changes turns out to be. I don't nessessarily think it's great to do. But if we can make food grow faster, last longer, and taste better, then we have achieved something, as food is very garnishable especially to an ever increasing population as we see it.
As far as climate goes, somebody needs to call god and tell him to stop it with all those polluting volcanoes!!
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Valcanoes emit millions of tons of pollution into the atmosphere and oceans every year. If these volcanoes hardly make a drastic impression on our atmosphere that would effect you, do you really think a line of chemtrail would even remotely effect you in anyway? Nahh not a chance! Not even a thousand chemtrails in a row would even come close to a measure of the amount of chemicals and CO2 that just one volcanoe emits.
Now, the earth is heated by infared light from it's core during the night time. That is why it is hotter during a cloudy night because the clouds trap the heat in. During the day, it is cooler during a cloudy day because clouds block most of the suns rays coming in. A cloud is made when high pressure hot air is filled with water vapor, as the hot air rises and the molecules slowely condence in a low pressure atmosphere, the water vapor seeps out and causes clouds to form. When a lower pressure of cold air sweeps through a cloud it drags down and pushes the water drops together causing rain from gravity and the weight of the droplets. Sometimes you get the stinging rain which is from a very low pressure atmosphere really pushing down the water vapor. Cold air sinks because it is more dense, hot air rises. The cold air expands like a baloon when it gets to hotter temperatures and thus rises again in a cycle. Low pressure is wind, that's why its a bit cooler when you feel a nice breeze. The reason why you don't get a ton of rain in areas is the lack of water vapor carried by heat molecules rising.
So, by making clouds with other chemicals as such a "chemtrail" it really would not effect us because the chemicals would scatter in the atmosphere from lower pressure currents. The weight of the chemicals would cause different embalances and scatter, thus we would not experience the effects of the compound as a whole, some would float along high in the atmosphere, some would sink to a certain level, and only the real heavy strong compounds would make it to our level, which would be far a few between, so you aren't even most likely going to be breathing such compounds as they are extremely scarce.
Chemtrails are not large enough to make an impact on our atmosphere. If a volcanoe has a hard time changing weather patterns, only for a short period of time (generally) not massive ones, than how could there even be a valid argument that a chemtrail would make an impact on us humans and our climate? Changing climate and weather, with all the variables of wind patterns and compounds in the air, would be an extremely difficult task. Making a cloud is one thing. Making hundreds of millions of them whenever you please to alter temperatures and percipitation is much harder than you think.