All the effort for 5 mins down time? Wow the whines must have been loud on this one. Yet another piece of strategy gone from the game. We should just have one map with a big 3 way furball over a tank town. :furiousno worries hack
All the effort for 5 mins down time? Wow the whines must have been loud on this one. Yet another piece of strategy gone from the game. We should just have one map with a big 3 way furball over a tank town. :furious
or as long as fester is up according to the in-game arena message
Effort? Strategy?
There is a lot of strategy that goes into these long gv runs.
But yet causes the most amount of whining?
All the effort for 5 mins down time? Wow the whines must have been loud on this one. Yet another piece of strategy gone from the game. We should just have one map with a big 3 way furball over a tank town. :furiousYou know nothing about tactics.
You know nothing about tactics.
LOL, I have forgot more tactics than you will ever know.
Pigs wallow in their own excrement.
Pigs wallow in their own excrement.
This has been discussed before. It was decided that personality counts for a lot and a charming pig is in fact, not a filthy animal. You may argue that Junky and Waystin aren't charming if you like, but you are hereby on notice to leave a pigs excrement decision making out of further jabs in their direction.:rofl
LOL, I have forgot more tactics than you will ever know.
Pigs wallow in their own excrement.
This has been discussed before. It was decided that personality counts for a lot and a charming pig is in fact, not a filthy animal. You may argue that Junky and Waystin aren't charming if you like, but you are hereby on notice to leave a pigs excrement decision making out of further jabs in their direction.
You want to show some tactics? Show me some that involve FIGHTING instead of HIDING
As a ROOK I applaud Hitech fix on the HQ down time.
You want to show some tactics? Show me some that involve FIGHTING instead of HIDING
As a ROOK I applaud Hitech fix on the HQ down time.
Do you even play anymore, where do I hide? WTF are you even talking about?
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The future of this game is new people.
If adjusting the HQ down time helps keep new people to stay to become long term subscribers, then so be it.
All the effort for 5 mins down time? Wow the whines must have been loud on this one. Yet another piece of strategy gone from the game. We should just have one map with a big 3 way furball over a tank town. :furious
All the effort for 5 mins down time? Wow the whines must have been loud on this one. Yet another piece of strategy gone from the game. We should just have one map with a big 3 way furball over a tank town. :furious:aok
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Whiners have once again succeeded in neutering the game, in order to make everyone else play the way they want.
IMHO poor choice Hitech, but thanks for the hard work you do.
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Whiners have once again succeeded in neutering the game, in order to make everyone else play the way they want.
There is a lot of strategy that goes into these long gv runs. Whether or not you put any stock into that is up to you.
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Whiners have once again succeeded in neutering the game, in order to make everyone else play the way they want.
IMHO poor choice Hitech, but thanks for the hard work you do.
To Bozon and Fugi....I understand, in a way, but the game is the game. You either play the game the way it's intended, or go to the DA if all you want to do is a limited part of the game. There's a whole strategic idea to the MA, and while there are many aspects to it, the game(MA) isn't LIMITED to just what you want to do, and frankly, the number of players who want to do the WHOLE thing is far greater than the few who want to do just one or two of them. Frankly, I say play or quit. The game will go on.
Do it offline, it's the same thing. No resistance, no skill, lots of patience.
Do you even play anymore, where do I hide? WTF are you even talking about?
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All the effort for 5 mins down time? Wow the whines must have been loud on this one. Yet another piece of strategy gone from the game. We should just have one map with a big 3 way furball over a tank town. :furiousYes we should.
Now if it is flashing and the defenders do nothing, it's on them.
No.
Gv's played virtuallyno role in the recent HQ discussions. It wasn't about Gvs killing HQ (which, as already stated, is extremely rare)
It's about general imbalance of 'effort' (single set of buffs) and resulting effects
If it's flashing, it's mostly too late, no matter what.
Great, more excuses for people to sit in the tower instead of up an interceptor.
LOL, I have forgot more tactics than you will ever know.Then why do all you guys die so fast when I come around....maybe you should remember some of those you lost. Maybe ACM was one of the things you forgot....
Pigs wallow in their own excrement.
Well! A whole buncha happy! I give it 72 hours. Tops. :DI'm always happy happy happy! ! WEEEEEEE!
I'm always happy happy happy! ! WEEEEEEE!Good man!
:rofl :rofl :aokGood man!
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You can still bomb the HQ if you like, you simply won't ruin the game for others. You can also increase the down time by making extra effort. If the effort is worth the reward is entirely up to you. You just no longer get a big reward for little effort.
Here are my thoughts.
Killing the HQ was so unbalancing because if players make the investment, they are nearly impossible to stop. A few weeks ago, 49ers climbed out over their own territory to 30K, deliberately taking a course that kept both other countries from predicting their target based on heading.
I and everyone else could have climbed out to intercept them from the moment we noticed the darbar, at the cost of action for a large block of time, which is at a premium for some players, myself included. It also would have taken players away from immediate defense, which is as necessary as longterm defense.
And if they are left unopposed, the HQ is flattened, and nobody can find a fight until they either spend their time resupplying, or waiting until it pops.
Essentially, that group of 10 ruined game play for a group of people, whose decision on how to play is just as valid as HQ bombers. The difference is that their game play won't affect HQ bombers, while the converse is not true.
You can still bomb the HQ if you like, you simply won't ruin the game for others. You can also increase the down time by making extra effort. If the effort is worth the reward is entirely up to you. You just no longer get a big reward for little effort.
Here are my thoughts.
Killing the HQ was so unbalancing because if players make the investment, they are nearly impossible to stop. A few weeks ago, 49ers climbed out over their own territory to 30K, deliberately taking a course that kept both other countries from predicting their target based on heading.
I and everyone else could have climbed out to intercept them from the moment we noticed the darbar, at the cost of action for a large block of time, which is at a premium for some players, myself included. It also would have taken players away from immediate defense, which is as necessary as longterm defense.
And if they are left unopposed, the HQ is flattened, and nobody can find a fight until they either spend their time resupplying, or waiting until it pops.
Essentially, that group of 10 ruined game play for a group of people, whose decision on how to play is just as valid as HQ bombers. The difference is that their game play won't affect HQ bombers, while the converse is not true.
You can still bomb the HQ if you like, you simply won't ruin the game for others. You can also increase the down time by making extra effort. If the effort is worth the reward is entirely up to you. You just no longer get a big reward for little effort.
The I have been here since 200X comments amuse me. Especially if I have been there longer. Arguing by personal attack is not discussion, just the hyping of your ego. Forum is for discussion, thanks for taking that away.The butt hurt flows through you....it will be alright, you guys will find another way to grief the game in a few years.
There goes all my supply perks.
The HQ raiders should rejoice not complain... Now they get to raid the HQ a lot more often!
That is, if their motivation truly is to have fun, and not just grief other people...
I havent bombed an HQ in a long time, but really enjoy seeing someone doing it. The time it takes someone to get there and do it, for the amount of time to resupply it was out of balance, but it still pissed people off, me included, but it was the last thing worth bombing to have any real effect on gameplay. I loved seeing the GV attacks on it and hunting the m3s hiding in the bldgs. Only got to do that once but it was a blast.
No one wants hangars bombed because it makes it so you cant fly from that field. No one wants a cv killed because there is a good fight near the field. No one wants HQ killed because it blinds your team. BOMB the town they say! Blow up a few buildings, and hope you can swarm it to take it. Yay. Why have bombers in the MA? Save them for events. Better yet, why have more than 3 fields? Make a map with only 3 fields that cant be damaged.
I always thought the best way to play this game was to create targets so important that the the enemy couldnt resist blowing them up, and therefore so important you couldnt allow the enemy to do so. Masses of bombers escorted be masses of fighters, intercepted by masses of defenders. But no, all anyone wants is an oversized dueling arena, not to duel on, but to pick, and use the other players as distractions for you picking. I hardly play this game anymore and just happened to check the forum tonight on a whim, and I see this post. Really disgusted with the direction this game has gone.
I dont think 49th was involved in the constant HQ take downs against Rooks side at low pops the last days as...They play Rook.
Instead of pointing a finger to them, just smell it before, cose, frankly, the lamest griefers arent in Rooks side, concerning the HQ abuse that happened. :old:
I'm not saying 49ers are responsible. I'm simply using one of their raids as an anecdote. It was the most archetypal combat avoidance raid I've ever seen.
They will claim it's clever use of strategic. It's not. It's simple time investment that most people are either unable or unwilling to put in. The only surprise is that they went to 30K instead of the usual 20k. That 35k pass through the escorts was honestly the highest I've ever flown in MA.
I havent bombed an HQ in a long time, but really enjoy seeing someone doing it. The time it takes someone to get there and do it, for the amount of time to resupply it was out of balance, but it still pissed people off, me included, but it was the last thing worth bombing to have any real effect on gameplay.Rubbish.
but it was the last thing worth bombing to have any real effect on gameplay.
I dont have problems getting kills when our HQ is down i dont see why other people have so much trouble with it.
Apart from playing style difference, it mostly matters what timezone one is flying in. The rare tiems I fly durign US prime, there's a good chance there's a battle or furball going on somwhere. "Where's the fight?" works well during that time.I see Snailman's point, and could possibly agree with some changes that improve gameplay during off hours without removing the full spectrum of options available, including taking out HQ. Maybe removing dot dar, but leaving dar bar? My main point is that the play my way because your way makes it harder on me doesn't cut the mustard. Possibly having a ranked dueling arena for those who only want to dogfight, so that the MA could be for those who are more interested in the whole strategic spectrum might be an option. Ultimately, I'm glad I'm not in HiTech's shoes, having to find the even ground and make the most number of players satisfied. It's really an impossible task.
During off hours... not so much.
I see Snailman's point, and could possibly agree with some changes that improve gameplay during off hours without removing the full spectrum of options available, including taking out HQ. Maybe removing dot dar, but leaving dar bar?
My main point is that the play my way because your way makes it harder on me doesn't cut the mustard. Possibly having a ranked dueling arena for those who only want to dogfight, so that the MA could be for those who are more interested in the whole strategic spectrum might be an option.
It was a good try but it didn't work. HQ was down for long time again during prime time last night.
Of course it was.
It was the basic downtime was changed, just as I pointed out at the very top of this thread.
Rubbish.
If a player cares about the strategic game he should bomb the city and ack/ammo factories. These have a greater effect on successful base takes than the HQ.
When HQ is down I don't see any sudden boost to base capture rate against the blind country. The vast majority of the players in the other countries don't even know that the 3rd one is blind and don't mount any special base-taking operations. The only game play it affects is the fun of the blind-country players and nothing more.
You can still bomb the HQ if you like, you simply won't ruin the game for others. You can also increase the down time by making extra effort. If the effort is worth the reward is entirely up to you. You just no longer get a big reward for little effort.
It was a good try but it didn't work. HQ was down for long time again during prime time last night.
Ever stop to think that maybe its done in a defensive manner at times ? If a country is getting slammed by 2 sides,the best way to slow the horde is to drop their HQ.THIS! I've seen the rooks and bish take the knight side down to 63% of bases. The perfect counter is to down their HQs and KEEP THEM DOWN.
Ever stop to think that maybe its done in a defensive manner at times ? If a country is getting slammed by 2 sides,the best way to slow the horde is to drop their HQ.
THIS! I've seen the rooks and bish take the knight side down to 63% of bases. The perfect counter is to down their HQs and KEEP THEM DOWN.
We need a different topic now. Somebody make a new thread about collision model. We didn't have that for a while :old:
And, I'm very sneaky.
The I have been here since 200X comments amuse me. Especially if I have been there longer. Arguing by personal attack is not discussion, just the hyping of your ego. Forum is for discussion, thanks for taking that away.
THIS! I've seen the rooks and bish take the knight side down to 63% of bases. The perfect counter is to down their HQs and KEEP THEM DOWN.
Was it really the Bish that griped to Hitech about HQ down times? That would be the height of irony.
Was it really the Bish that griped to Hitech about HQ down times?
I'd like to point out that if the connection to City hasn't been cut (which I don't believe), the HQ can still be down for up to 125 minutes. Though somehting like 30-90 minutes should be more typical. :old:
:rofl :rofl ya I'm sure it was ONLY the bish thanks man I needed that laugh for the day :rofl
Yep the same ones who complained.........
How about just creating some spawns into the HQ to make if quicker and faster to resupply HQ instead of having to fly a Goon 10 or more minutes to resupply. If we could resupply HQ faster it would take some of the advantage away from those that fly for a hour or more to get there. Another idea would to just make HQ harder so it would take multiple set of Buffs to take it down. Seems pretty simple solutions to me.
Defend it like any other important thing on the map.......takes a bit of work but it's possible.
Defend it like any other important thing on the map.......takes a bit of work but it's possible. I point out the first thing we took out in the Gulf War was the Command and Control of Iraq..
Defend it like any other important thing on the map.......takes a bit of work but it's possible. I point out the first thing we took out in the Gulf War was the Command and Control of Iraq..
Dropping HQ will do little to slow the horde. By its nature, it relies on sheer numbers to compendate for deficiencies in Intel, timing, tactics, and skill. You just round up a bunch ofof guys like Jayro and his strike missions, and throw them at just about any old base.I fly every Sat and Sunday morning with Jayro.......his "Horde" missions are usually 4 to 6 guys.
I fly every Sat and Sunday morning with Jayro.......his "Horde" missions are usually 4 to 6 guys.
looks like the majority of the ones whining about the Fix are almost all in the same Squad, imagine that :rolleyes:Looks like we need to beat up on them again.
Looks like we need to beat up on them again.bully!
I point out the first thing we took out in the Gulf War was the Command and Control of Iraq..... and all the Iraqi players logged out.
1. HQ downtime should be still up to 125 minutes. Neutered?
2. If anything, the single unstoppable NOE HQ raider is "making everyone else play the way he wants".
Yes.
Artillery has been in the game since it's inception. The fact that some squadrons are tactically utilizing this feature, should not be an issue. If someone is attacking your HQ, then get off your duffs and defend or prevent the enemy from accessing your HQ. DONT run to Hitech....whining and sniveling crying foul.
I am totally blown away that Hitech would entertain the idea of regulating the "tactical attack" of HQ.......when him and his programmers put this option into the game. The attackers (49'ers & friends) and not hacking or abusing the system. They are taking the time (usually 2-3 hour drive) to get into a tactical position....and attack. If your country does not like this to happen, pull up your BIG BOY pants and defend. Stop runnin to mamma bear and crying.
If you all think the numbers in the game are falling because people are dropping HQ, then you are missing the mark.
Let us know how to defend when they can gun down the HQ without even flashing it. That 2-3 hour drive must have been harrowing, knowing full well the only danger being your tank hits a tree and stops moving while you are trying to get some shuteye.
Perhaps people should spend many hours of their precious lives vigilantly camping their own HQ, on the chance some grieftard happens by.
Go offline and blow up the HQ. You'll get the same "action". :rolleyes:
I did last night..only I used a 152 for 1 M3 thinking it was a bomber killed one then augerd into merlins M3 trying to kill it then upped an a20 got the t34 but merlin got away damn it ..I'm not sure how many sectors they drove lol but it was enough to where my own country didn't believe me when I told them multiple gvs at HQ lol. .the only mistake made was the t34 started his engine while I had mine off listening for any signs of gvs in my ta152 ...and yes the HQ had been flashing for a while but there was also constant enemy air cons in the area as well. .but because the 49th has pulled this maneuver off so many times I'm now paranoid any time I see HQ flash or is down I think it's them and curiosity demands that I go take a look ....those Lil stinkers
Send a tanks with AP........and kill the M3's ..... no dar, no flashing....hellow it's GV's for crying out load..I can tell you if it were happening to us we'd take care of the attacking force.
I think it's hilarious how guys think that two sides team up against the third, as if there was a master plan by the Aces High Illuminati.
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At any time, one could look at the held territories and make inaccurate assumptions based off their observations; "you see here? This is obvious proof that these two sides are in cahoots."
I did last night..only I used a 152 for 1 M3 thinking it was a bomber killed one then augerd into merlins M3 trying to kill it then upped an a20 got the t34 but merlin got away damn it ..I'm not sure how many sectors they drove lol but it was enough to where my own country didn't believe me when I told them multiple gvs at HQ lol. .the only mistake made was the t34 started his engine while I had mine off listening for any signs of gvs in my ta152 ...and yes the HQ had been flashing for a while but there was also constant enemy air cons in the area as well. .but because the 49th has pulled this maneuver off so many times I'm now paranoid any time I see HQ flash or is down I think it's them and curiosity demands that I go take a look ....those Lil stinkers
I did last night..only I used a 152 for 1 M3 thinking it was a bomber killed one then augerd into merlins M3 trying to kill it then upped an a20 got the t34 but merlin got away damn it ..I'm not sure how many sectors they drove lol but it was enough to where my own country didn't believe me when I told them multiple gvs at HQ lol. .the only mistake made was the t34 started his engine while I had mine off listening for any signs of gvs in my ta152 ...and yes the HQ had been flashing for a while but there was also constant enemy air cons in the area as well. .but because the 49th has pulled this maneuver off so many times I'm now paranoid any time I see HQ flash or is down I think it's them and curiosity demands that I go take a look ....those Lil stinkers
I'm am not surprised about the paranoid feeling you get.........but you were crafty enough to do something about it instead of whining. GV's are the under dog, but every dog has it's day. I think we should just drive jeeps to every strat, park them in a barn and flash the strats for a couple of hours...Hhhhhmmm now that is a viable tactic we might look into for sure
I'm am not surprised about the paranoid feeling you get.........but you were crafty enough to do something about it instead of whining. GV's are the under dog, but every dog has it's day. I think we should just drive jeeps to every strat, park them in a barn and flash the strats for a couple of hours...Hhhhhmmm now that is a viable tactic we might look into for surelol if you do that you will probably see me flying around for awhile then before my a20 runs out of fuel I'll start delivering eggs to every barn I see lol if that doesn't work they're other ways to find out where the gv is hehe no spying is not needed or would actually do any good for an enemy gv at our HQ. .as I was called last night because I was in a m8 at our airbase map room and with my sound pack I knew it was a c47 and with my surround sound headset I knew exactly where he landed and guided my guys to his location
Logged in Monday night and the Bish took the Rooks HQ down.........down for over 45 mins.
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So this morning, I go in, and (knights) and find our HQ down AND that the rooks and Bish have teamed up to reduce our fields to 60%. They are not trying to win the game, but only reduce our side. they both had large percentages of rooks, yet little to none of each others'. For the most part in here I see the whiners being from those two sides, with a few well thought opinions from Lusche who has been playing knights mostly, that I've seen. Why is this, I wonder?
Send a tanks with AP........and kill the M3's ..... no dar, no flashing....hello it's GV's for crying out loud..I can tell you if it were happening to us we'd take care of the attacking force.
There are other ways it could have been handled like having radar around HQ, changing what makes it flash, increasing the damage needed, closer resupply or defense fields on some maps, etc, etc. I'm guessing that with a new release coming out, the down time band-aid was the best choice when weighing time, resources and results.
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There once was a griefer named Hugh
Who lived just drop an HQ
The attention he craved
From actions depraved
Kept his testicles from dropping too.
Drop testicles .... not HQs.
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There once was a griefer named Hugh
Who lived just drop an HQ
The attention he craved
From actions depraved
Kept his testicles from dropping too.
Drop testicles .... not HQs.
If you suspect GV at strats or HQ, be a real man and up a GV instead of the typical 7 minute A20 bombweasel mission.by the time I would have gotten to the HQ after I spotted them in my ta152 they would have dropped it. .they were in firing position when I spotted them I upped a20 cause personally I prefer them dead BEFORE they drop HQ I had no way of knowing how long they've been there or how much damage the HQ had taken. .but yes I'm allot better at gv ing than I am dropping eggs it took all 8 for me to get t34 ..had I had the time I would have upped a tank ...PS. and for the record none of them complained about me being a bombweasel lol merlin even sent me a salute. (After I augerd into his M3 )
I upped a T34 and drove to my own city the other day and was rewarded with 5 kills.
It's a lot more fun than loading up an a20 and doing what you can do at any front line spawn camp.
If you're gonna go to the city, please dress appropriately.
by the time I would have gotten to the HQ after I spotted them in my ta152 they would have dropped it. .they were in firing position when I spotted them I upped a20 cause personally I prefer them dead BEFORE they drop HQ I had no way of knowing how long they've been there or how much damage the HQ had taken. .but yes I'm allot better at gv ing than I am dropping eggs it took all 8 for me to get t34 ..had I had the time I would have upped a tank ...PS. and for the record none of them complained about me being a bombweasel lol merlin even sent me a salute. (After I augerd into his M3 )For the record... It was a long drive; two more hours than I planned on. <S> Again to Scott66!!! Felt like we were dodging him for an hour or so! The Bish should thank him for having the will and persistence to hunt for people as persistent as the 49th. As a matter of fact, he was so persistent that we were not able to land one round on target! Didn't even take the guns off the top. Also the fact that he augured on me as I was frantically running away caused me to drive right in to 40mm fire about 2.5 seconds after he went down and I died, so <S> to you again for that Scott66. I was actually happy that someone finally had the will to come get us! I died with a big smile on my face, even after driving for 5 hours for what most of you would say was no reason.
For the record... It was a long drive; two more hours than I planned on. <S> Again to Scott66!!! Felt like we were dodging him for an hour or so! The Bish should thank him for having the will and persistence to hunt for people as persistent as the 49th. As a matter of fact, he was so persistent that we were not able to land one round on target! Didn't even take the guns off the top. Also the fact that he augured on me as I was frantically running away caused me to drive right in to 40mm fire about 2.5 seconds after he went down and I died, so <S> to you again for that Scott66. I was actually happy that someone finally had the will to come get us! I died with a big smile on my face, even after driving for 5 hours for what most of you would say was no reason.it was a fun one merlin lol like I said on 200 I almost didn't have the heart to drop eggs on you. .with the terrain, bushes,trees and mountains I knew it was a long one. .it's not like you can auto climb and go afk...cheers to your dedication to your missions <S>
<Salute> Scott66, thanks for having the time to fight instead of whine!
Whoa wait a minute, you mean get in a tank and go engage in combat to defend your strat/HQ? This is WW2 combat sim, I doubt there is historical precedent of this. If you can find any please post it here. The M3 was coded with the howitzer to only take out ack at other Vbases, and be spawn camp bait. Find me evidence to the contrary, picture or screenshots or it did not happen. Without my dar bar comfort blanket, I will not know within 2 planes how many are attacking my flashing base, or where exactly they are. I don't think that is how it worked in WW2, they had hyper-capable in plane radar with IFF capabilities right? You knew where all friendlies were at all times in flight then, why would a bunch of tankers take that away and discourage combat? This is not proper virtuous combat with honor! All deviations from honorable 1v1 combat in the MA will be flamed on the forum! That is not historically accurate and without precedent durring WW2. Oh and that only happened from December 8, 1941 to August 15, 1945. All other events and times did not exist because 'Merica was not there.
I love this community, you keep me busy on slow work days :D
I see Snailman's point, and could possibly agree with some changes that improve gameplay during off hours without removing the full spectrum of options available, including taking out HQ. Maybe removing dot dar, but leaving dar bar? My main point is that the play my way because your way makes it harder on me doesn't cut the mustard. Possibly having a ranked dueling arena for those who only want to dogfight, so that the MA could be for those who are more interested in the whole strategic spectrum might be an option. Ultimately, I'm glad I'm not in HiTech's shoes, having to find the even ground and make the most number of players satisfied. It's really an impossible task.Well put Copprhead, I play a WAR GAME! I don't play in the DA, were most of you should be playing. I see the usual crowd embedded in the bbs inciting change to our game again cause we cant furbal we have no radar Boohoo! The 88 guns ruining the game Boohoo! and my favorite You ho bag are you have no ACM hoeing all you know lol, and how many time have you heard it said on 200 Get out of that base gun up a plane blank blank? My point is whiny pilots don't like it so change it. Enough when your strat city or factory is under attack up your aircraft go stop them. Someone said by the time the dar was flashing it was to late lol really, most of your strats are located deep in your territory you can easily spot the enemy 3 maybe more sectors away heading towards your strats more than plenty of time to get up to 30k (and by the way 30k alt is one of the B29 means to defend itself) use a 163 or 152 or whatever. This is not a case of the game being broke just lazy players and if your so concern that it gives 1 player power over the arena then I suggest you do what has always work before up a plane and fight the war and if they sneak in noe or drive for hours on end then thats the enemy doing what the enemy does its part of the magic of the game simulated war. Let me reiterate WAR GAME MA! Guys there is arena called the DA made for fur balling, don't have to worry about 88's, city strats, and you can whine till your heart is content so use it and stop poaching on my playground I like it the way Hi Tech intended the game to work and yes improvements are always needed. Think I'm wrong look at your history and tell me this is the last whine for some change to benefit some. I cant wait to see the negative commits come showering in but I'm right the pilots don't go to the DA cause they want to furbal in the war arena (MA) were they stay tune on 200 talking smack and what not whining for change when there is already place for them with all the things they wish for they just don't use it. So yes you are whining for change constantly for yourselves despite the rest of us. The DA has running water, power, bars, (fully stock with whatever you want) and No. #1 toilets use it let Hi Tech take care of the game improvements
Apart from playing style difference, it mostly matters what timezone one is flying in. The rare tiems I fly durign US prime, there's a good chance there's a battle or furball going on somwhere. "Where's the fight?" works well during that time.
During off hours... not so much.
i play 0730-1000hrs Central Standard Time. the "off time" hours still no issues finding fights, taking bases, or bombing bases. just cant be lazy and there are alot of lazyones
This is not WWII. It is a combat game. That's all that needs to be said.
By your playstyle, it appears to be a concept that escapes you, but many of the people here really enjoy actively engaging enemy players. Removing darbar and dar means the flashing base might be due to one guy in a jeep in a barn somewhere, or a bunch of enemy aircraft inbound. Without the information provided by bardar, they have no way of knowing. Recon to determine if there is actually something worth being there for is not fun for most.
I can hear the "Well they need to man up and use awesome I have 4 hours to devote to looking for 3 GVs in a few hundred square miles strategery!" reply beginning to formulate. That is neither desirable nor an option for most people. Communication is sketchy at best. Right or wrong, it's how it is.
Your playstyle is bad for the game, and you should feel bad.
Wiley.
Lol, we forgot that the 49:ers is way above the reso of us. :rofl
The reason for not having large bomber formations is excatly what you are decribing. A large formation attracts so many defenders that even with ecort it will have a hard time to get trough. I have seen forations of 8 bombers being dismantled in a matter of minutes and damage done to strats are equal to what 1 set can do. With B-17 i drop a factory to 25-30% or city to 70-80%. Its just a waste of time to bring more bombers and risk to attract too many uppers. If u go alone noone up until after drop.
i play 0730-1000hrs Central Standard Time. the "off time" hours still no issues finding fights, taking bases, or bombing bases. just cant be lazy and there are alot of lazyones
A couple of 110s w rockets will create havoc in that formation.
Nobody ever does that. It's always 262s, 163s, and run90s, at least on the Bish side. Knights will at least add some variety, like Spits and Ponies, or the odd Typhoon.We did, even with crappy pilots like me, Havermyr etc a bomber formation doesnt last long. Attacked a group close to city once. Took 3 mins to shoot down all 8 sets, they got about 15% of city...
Since u never can find enough pilots to get a proper escort for a large formations simply have to rely in numbers (that there are enough of them so not all are shot down before the target).Lots of folks are willing to jump in and lend a hand for escort. I've lost count of the number of times we've picked up escorts along the way to supplement our own. Shoot, I've even been part of raids where the Knights picked us up with a 262 and a couple Ponies for a few sectors through no-man's land. :D
Formations are fun yes but from a strategic standpoint a waste of time most of the time.
Then again. U dont suffer from low numbers the way we do. W 5 people in flight on each team and a moron dropping hq there are pretty much nothing to do but to log.
OR look at the map and see what's flashing, or try to get a furball or GV fight going by talking to the other teams on 200 or by PM...
People dont want to fight. The weakest team get double teamed by the other 2 and are also the team that most likely get their hq killed...That sounds to me more like players without honor or sportsmanship than it does anything else.
If we can get some guys to RAGEQUIT
So If we can get some guys to RAGEQUIT and be lazy instead of defending their strats and bases, that helps us build a buffer for the 4-7am bish base roll.
Well put Copprhead, I play a WAR GAME! I don't play in the DA, were most of you should be playing. I see the usual crowd embedded in the bbs inciting change to our game again cause we cant furbal we have no radar Boohoo! The 88 guns ruining the game Boohoo! and my favorite You ho bag are you have no ACM hoeing all you know lol, and how many time have you heard it said on 200 Get out of that base gun up a plane blank blank? My point is whiny pilots don't like it so change it. Enough when your strat city or factory is under attack up your aircraft go stop them. Someone said by the time the dar was flashing it was to late lol really, most of your strats are located deep in your territory you can easily spot the enemy 3 maybe more sectors away heading towards your strats more than plenty of time to get up to 30k (and by the way 30k alt is one of the B29 means to defend itself) use a 163 or 152 or whatever. This is not a case of the game being broke just lazy players and if your so concern that it gives 1 player power over the arena then I suggest you do what has always work before up a plane and fight the war and if they sneak in noe or drive for hours on end then thats the enemy doing what the enemy does its part of the magic of the game simulated war. Let me reiterate WAR GAME MA! Guys there is arena called the DA made for fur balling, don't have to worry about 88's, city strats, and you can whine till your heart is content so use it and stop poaching on my playground I like it the way Hi Tech intended the game to work and yes improvements are always needed. Think I'm wrong look at your history and tell me this is the last whine for some change to benefit some. I cant wait to see the negative commits come showering in but I'm right the pilots don't go to the DA cause they want to furbal in the war arena (MA) were they stay tune on 200 talking smack and what not whining for change when there is already place for them with all the things they wish for they just don't use it. So yes you are whining for change constantly for yourselves despite the rest of us. The DA has running water, power, bars, (fully stock with whatever you want) and No. #1 toilets use it let Hi Tech take care of the game improvements
This pretty much says it all.He lost any argument he could have had...
Oh and don't use the train as you fight line...if that were the case you would put yourself into scenarios that would stress your systems...like coming in at 15k so more planes would get up to your formation.
Well put Copprhead, I play a WAR GAME! I don't play in the DA, were most of you should be playing. I see the usual crowd embedded in the bbs inciting change to our game again cause we cant furbal we have no radar Boohoo! The 88 guns ruining the game Boohoo! and my favorite You ho bag are you have no ACM hoeing all you know lol, and how many time have you heard it said on 200 Get out of that base gun up a plane blank blank? My point is whiny pilots don't like it so change it. Enough when your strat city or factory is under attack up your aircraft go stop them. Someone said by the time the dar was flashing it was to late lol really, most of your strats are located deep in your territory you can easily spot the enemy 3 maybe more sectors away heading towards your strats more than plenty of time to get up to 30k (and by the way 30k alt is one of the B29 means to defend itself) use a 163 or 152 or whatever. This is not a case of the game being broke just lazy players and if your so concern that it gives 1 player power over the arena then I suggest you do what has always work before up a plane and fight the war and if they sneak in noe or drive for hours on end then thats the enemy doing what the enemy does its part of the magic of the game simulated war. Let me reiterate WAR GAME MA! Guys there is arena called the DA made for fur balling, don't have to worry about 88's, city strats, and you can whine till your heart is content so use it and stop poaching on my playground I like it the way Hi Tech intended the game to work and yes improvements are always needed. Think I'm wrong look at your history and tell me this is the last whine for some change to benefit some. I cant wait to see the negative commits come showering in but I'm right the pilots don't go to the DA cause they want to furbal in the war arena (MA) were they stay tune on 200 talking smack and what not whining for change when there is already place for them with all the things they wish for they just don't use it. So yes you are whining for change constantly for yourselves despite the rest of us. The DA has running water, power, bars, (fully stock with whatever you want) and No. #1 toilets use it let Hi Tech take care of the game improvements
Yes, but a war game isn't fun without other people playing in the war. You could turn the offline into a "war game" and bomb and attack any base you want over and over again without any one to defend. That isnt very fun is it? When there isn't an opposition in a GAME?
The problem is that, as more people stop subscribing, out of bordem, because they cannot find any action on the map, this causes the war mentality to seize as there aren't enough players to satisfy the war or combat efforts for all styles of play. A war with no players playing, isnt very fun. Just go to the offline then.
My second arguement is that one person who kills the HQ literally does nothing to support the strategic "war effort" it takes team coordination to take bases. So one person goes to kill the HQ, but cannot gather a group together to take bases and utilize the down HQ. This causes less combat on the whole map which causes players to log. What is the strategy if one person can make 1/3 of the players log, while your TEAM doesn't do anything to advance the war efforts on that front?
HQ should be a team achievement when your team is about to win the war, you and your team go kill the HQ so that it is easier to capture the last few bases to win the war. Right now anyone can kill it from across the map and literally do nothing "strategic" to take bases or to win the war, so what is the point??
Please tell me when the last time killing the HQ actually was effective in winning the war? It isn't, because winning the war takes a team effort. Killing the HQ doesn't correlate with winning the war or taking bases, but it does correlate with people logging and unsubscribing.... So you tell me which game you'd rather play!
A ruler cannot rule if he has no one or nothing to rule...
I'm sure you will discard my arguements and not even read this. But I know what I'm taking about and I've been in this game for a while.
I dont really buy the 49:ers argument that pretty much everything they do "keeps others busy". Driving 2 days in gv to kill HQ or spending an hour climbing over friendly territory is pretty much a definition of wasting time. U guys also seems to like hunting RTB buffs for sectors, often with disapointing result...
Doing Strat runs with big formation isnt a bad thing, and part of the game is that not all fighting is occuring low over a front line base. Keep doing it if u want (or whatever else u wish to do) But creating a new tread or hijacking one after every strat run just to tell people how good u are doesnt really get u a good reputation, most people will simply think u are arrogant. And so far your numbers dont back u up that good.
Arrogant? No.
Our numbers? 30 plus, We have two squads in the 49ThFg.
If we want to drive to strats or do whatever we want to do we will because we can. Drive to the strats in a LVT or PT boat? Let's do it. Spend five hours or even days doing it? No problem. We do keep others busy, Even one player commented that he FEARS every time strats fash thinking that it's us.
We do keep people busy by constantly running missions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnaXzeutwGo
We do keep others busy, Even one player commented that he FEARS every time strats fash thinking that it's us.
Oddball, lately we're on a Jabo-to-strats kick, focusing on AAA and ammo factories. The past couple days we ran several flights of 5+ Mosquito fighters or Typhoons into the factories, bombed them, then killed trains. Wednesday we were focusing on supportive operations against V-bases, and participated in the defense of one in a canyon against 4 separate enemy missions, including suppression of GVs until auto guns came back up and switching to offense against the enemy V-base on the other side of the canyon wall. We do a lot more than just high-altitude bombing or long GV drives.
I wonder why it seems like most of the "old timers" are those types of players who like combat/fighting. You don't see a lot of oldtimers that are into the "win the war", type stuff.
I don't know if you saw my post up thread, but I'm to the point where I feel like we need an old timers arena just for the air combat types. And I don't mean the DA. I keep thinking of that AW arena I started in back in the olden days with three capturable bases that allowed for getting a foothold on the other guys turf but that was it. You then had to fight for it. You knew where the fights were going to be, you could buff and cause limited trouble and folks fought at the usual spots on the map. You got to know the guys across from you and fighting was the order of the day.
I know that all the bells and whistles that have come from the win the war, capture the map additions to the game has attracted a different crowd with a different approach, but I have to believe there are enough of us old timers who would love to have that air combat oriented world again. I wonder how many guys that have given it up due to the way the game has gone would return to an arena like that again?
Maybe it's just nostalgia, but I'd love to get a few more days running into STS98 near A84 or Crowwe coming across from B83....
I wonder if they realize use of quasi-military terminology doesn't actually improve their tactics or coordination.
I can just hear the 49er vox now, "We've got a tango oscar Mike. Tazz , go Lima, and enfilade his flank, while I shock and awe him from the air with a pincer maneuver!"
"Rodger Colonel field general Dallas! Engaging tango in reverse to confuse and disrupt his command structure!"
"Executing area saturation maneuver, going bingo winchester!"
"Jeep down boys, way to go! Through superior tactics and coordination of our forces, we prevailed against a vastly superior foe"
I really believe if it was to happen it would have to be different enough to fit both crowds. A win the war arena and a win the fight arena. And to make the last happen you have to make it limited capture. Smaller map that focuses the fight and the emphasis on the air combat.
The other total war arena would maintain the ability to avoid each other at all costs in the race to win the map that seems to appeal to one part of the player base
Neither arena would offer a place for me ;)you and me both...
Neither arena would offer a place for me ;)
Your squad should really participate in the FSO if you really want to see what flying like a squad is all about. Some of the most fun, long fights of realism to the extent you could ever imagine. Some of the coolest missions and battles you will ever see in a game. Plus your sqaud will get a reputation for being excellent in the missions and getting the most bomber damage.
Amen! I think they'd become addicts, like the rest of us. :aokaddicted? I'll have you know I can quit any time I want :devil :banana: I just don't want to :joystick: I wonder what kind of wifi I'll have in North Dakota tonight. ..hmm I better plan my route so I can log on tonight
That's nothing. Stampf only allows us to speak German during FSO's. Unless we are in Japanese planes, then we all just mumble.
A win the war arena and a win the fight arena.
I like the Chaos of one big sandbox.
5 minutes? is that daylight or standard time?
All the effort for 5 mins down time? Wow the whines must have been loud on this one. Yet another piece of strategy gone from the game. We should just have one map with a big 3 way furball over a tank town. :furious
See this?
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We upped 4 or 5 sets of bombers with some escorts last night. Bombers left about 15 or 20 minutes ahead of the escorts on a flightpath optimized for climbing in friendly territory, who picked them up at 23,000ft. We proceeded to climb into a tailwind at about 27,000, eastbound for the Bish city. Halfway to target, in the middle of the water, completely outside of any enemy dar rings, we had a pair of 262s bear DIRECTLY in on the group. Escorts chased them off and regrouped. At the target, we had what seemed like 20 defenders come up, with an apparent force of approximately 75% a mixture of 163s and 262s, with a 109 or 190 here and there. Approximately 50% of the bombers were able to drop on target against those odds due to a defensively oriented bomber formation and appropriately selected escort aircraft for the mission parameters, even with Brother Cybro parked on (honored by the team as) our channel.
Were our HQ down, we still would have run the mission; in fact, the HQ being down may have been advantageous to us. We don't rely on radar. We plan the route beforehand, plan for stiff resistance, have flights broken up into elements with individual responsibilities INCLUDING watching for contacts. We simply use FSO tactics in the MA.
--The last time I saw a Bishop large force bomber raid come into Rook territory, they came in a formation that offered little defense. They brought no little friends. They came in about 22,000 feet, on a direct bearing through the heart of Rook territory making a beeline to the city across multiple bases without dodging radar. This resulted in 15-20 or so 110s, 410s, 190s, 109s, and a Mossy or two meeting them at the target, and knocking down all but a single B17, who we escorted out of Rook territory before somebody went Independence Day up his belly while we were deciding whether or not to let him go.
Fight how you train, train how you fight. :aok
For those on the rook side that didnt like the change in HQ down time u can be happy that your HQ has been down for hours now...