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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Guppy35 on August 13, 2009, 10:47:15 PM
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We had a good long fight going between 12 and 15 in Blue tonight. I left after about 4 hours of it. 68s, AKs and and others flying out of 15. SAPP 38s and friends out of 12. The fight moved back and forth but the fun police did not wreck it, and the guys who came late asking about taking 15 didn't when we told them it was the best fight in town.
They took a base nearby but left the air combat going. Kinda nice to see everyone got to play their game without ruining the fun of anyone.
I did die alot again however. Why is that? :)
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Was a fun night, thanks to all the folks who took the time out of their busy night to shoot at me, and to the folks who were kind enough to let the fight continue.
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:salute
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Too bad our resident groupie didn't show up.
Maybe next time, Dinan.
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Dinan.. maybe you need to find yourself a girlfriend, or a hobby. Trying to fit in where your not wanted, in a game, sounds so... lonely.
Fun SAPP night, dont think I landed a sortie. :D
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I :salute my fellow S.A.P.P. pilots!
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although glasher wanted really bad to take 15, i think he backed off when i told him it had bish cooties. :rofl :noid
it was good and fun it seemed as if it was almost a 2 layer fight. there was almost always enemies above 5k, but they seemed involved with friendies up there. when they did come down, they didn't pick, but rather they joined in the fun.
i hafta say....i died more often, and much more quickly than i'm used to.......and it's STILL the best time i've had ingame in a looooooooooong time.
<<S>> fello SAPP 38 drivers, and those that came to fight us.
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Dinan.. maybe you need to find yourself a girlfriend, or a hobby. Trying to fit in where your not wanted, in a game, sounds so... lonely.
Fun SAPP night, dont think I landed a sortie. :D
I don't think anyone landed a sortie from either side,lol. I know I didn't go down empty handed but didn't land 1 sortie lastnight except 1 for damage done from a vulch attempt on me that failed.
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I don't think anyone landed a sortie from either side,lol. I know I didn't go down empty handed but didn't land 1 sortie lastnight except 1 for damage done from a vulch attempt on me that failed.
i think i landed twice last night. i hit one of the hangars on one of them........wait....that was in mw before i came over.
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Too bad our resident groupie didn't show up.
Maybe next time, Dinan.
why would those that pick show up in a fight in which they cannot pick?
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That WAS a blast last night.
Great stuff SAPP.
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I was wondering why there was a sudden mass of P38s attacking us... :huh ...shoot 1 get chopped down by 5 others...fun stuff. :aok
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How does one join SAPP?
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Too bad our resident groupie didn't show up.
Maybe next time, Dinan.
They are both harmless... physically, mentally, and in game. They are just embarrassed to fly under their true colors as that group is tarnished beyond repair.
Last night was great fun. Wish I could have stayed in longer... had things to do at home. <S> to all that shot me down so many dang times... I lost count :P
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How does one join SAPP?
Grab your 38 and hang out with us in the arenas. If your interested in flying 38s and in 38 history we have a lot of info. You don't have to quit your squad as we are just a group of enthusiast. We keep it light hearted and just look for fun. No worrying about getting shot down, scores or which tree took our wing off. Oh... landing is always optional too. If you've got the right attitude you'll be in real quick.
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How does one join SAPP?
You must pass the initiation too...two fires are prefered though.
(http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z235/nathanyoung1980/2.jpg)
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I was wondering why there was a sudden mass of P38s attacking us... :huh ...shoot 1 get chopped down by 5 others...fun stuff. :aok
i use parts of my airplane. i throw little insignificant parts at first....like landing gear parts. if they don't deter ya, then i throw bigger things....like ailerons, elevators, wings.........
hell, i even tried my rear gunner flame thrower. that worked. the ki that was shooting at me turned off immediatly upon seeing my flamethrower. :rofl :rofl
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I wouldn't mind doing a few runs with you boys, I die on a frequent basis to 38's. Although I'm rusty and crap, I wouldn't mind a good laugh or two in finding out why I die to a 38 on a regular basis.
Cheers
Tunes
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almost forgot........
one of the coolest things i've seen in this game.
the fight was getting very very close to a15....to the point that we could've vulched em if we wanted.
guppy comes up on vox saying we should back off and let them up.....which everyone did. then goes on open channel, telling them at 15 that the p38's are backing off, and that it's safe to launch there for the fight. ......
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Tried using Dan and Copr for bait, and I ended up being the one who died. :(
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I was wondering why there was a sudden mass of P38s attacking us... :huh ...shoot 1 get chopped down by 5 others...fun stuff. :aok
<S> gyrene, you and I (MstWntd) exchanged a fair share of kills last night.
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<S> gyrene, you and I (MstWntd) exchanged a fair share of kills last night.
LMAO...I remember getting the very short end of the stick on those exchanges and it didn't matter what I brought to the fight...it was fun though. Hat's off to you guys.
almost forgot........
one of the coolest things i've seen in this game.
the fight was getting very very close to a15....to the point that we could've vulched em if we wanted.
guppy comes up on vox saying we should back off and let them up.....which everyone did. then goes on open channel, telling them at 15 that the p38's are backing off, and that it's safe to launch there for the fight. ......
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That's what happened? I was so intent on getting some payback I wasn't paying attention to what was being said...I upped from 17 just so I could avoid the cap I thought you guys were gonna put on the field. Very cool that everyone backed off... :salute
i use parts of my airplane. i throw little insignificant parts at first....like landing gear parts. if they don't deter ya, then i throw bigger things....like ailerons, elevators, wings.........
hell, i even tried my rear gunner flame thrower. that worked. the ki that was shooting at me turned off immediatly upon seeing my flamethrower. :rofl :rofl
:rofl :aok Yeah one of my squaddies got taken out by an aileron from one of those P38s last night...funny stuff.
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We havent figured out why we die all the time either, but we are damn good at it.
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LMAO...I remember getting the very short end of the stick on those exchanges and it didn't matter what I brought to the fight...it was fun though. Hat's off to you guys.
That's what happened? I was so intent on getting some payback I wasn't paying attention to what was being said...I upped from 17 just so I could avoid the cap I thought you guys were gonna put on the field. Very cool that everyone backed off... :salute
:rofl :aok Yeah one of my squaddies got taken out by an aileron from one of those P38s last night...funny stuff.
ya.......how can there be a fun fight if the guys we're fighting can't get off the ground, and up to speed? it's the 2nd time i've seen guppy suggest that........and i thought it deserved mention, as most squads or other groups would simply cap the field and rack up the vulches.
BUT what'd ya think of my right wing flamethrower? i was impressed with how quickly that ki turned off me when it lit up.
now if only i can find a way to turn it back off before my wing breaks off........... :noid :rofl
i think you got me a couple times last niht too.........i think everyone on the bish side there got a piece of my p38 last night at one point or another. :D
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Which VOX channel do you guys use? I love flying the 38 though I suck at air to air but not bad taking towns down. I really enjoy grabbing a couple of extra tanks and heading up into space searching for buffs.
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The best thing about those kinds of fights is guys on both sides are remembering it's a game and having fun. The BS'ing on 200 is respectful and the laughter on tac is constant.
During one of the fights a Spit lost most of his wing but somehow kept it in the air. Even I can shoot down a half wing Spit, and as one who is always trying to stay airborne with a broken bird, i can appreciate the effort he was putting in to keeping it going.
Soulyss and I took up stations on each side and escorted him back to 15. He told us he crashed on the runway :)
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/escort.jpg)
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I had poped his wing off and was coming down to form up on him when a P-39 shot me. That is the 39 yall killed before forming on the spit.
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The best thing about those kinds of fights is guys on both sides are remembering it's a game and having fun. The BS'ing on 200 is respectful and the laughter on tac is constant.
During one of the fights a Spit lost most of his wing but somehow kept it in the air. Even I can shoot down a half wing Spit, and as one who is always trying to stay airborne with a broken bird, i can appreciate the effort he was putting in to keeping it going.
Soulyss and I took up stations on each side and escorted him back to 15. He told us he crashed on the runway :)
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/escort.jpg)
:aok Dan that's the kind of thing I'd like to see more of. Last night in Blue I had a fantastic 1v1 with Bosco in his G14. I hit his engine early but he hung in there and made a great fight of it. Out of nowhere some hero in a Spit16 comes in and picks him. I was disgusted I'd rather Bosco shot me down than to see him get picked after the great fight he put up.
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:aok Dan that's the kind of thing I'd like to see more of. Last night in Blue I had a fantastic 1v1 with Bosco in his G14. I hit his engine early but he hung in there and made a great fight of it. Out of nowhere some hero in a Spit16 comes in and picks him. I was disgusted I'd rather Bosco shot me down than to see him get picked after the great fight he put up.
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when i'm in a fight like that, and some hero decides i need help, i let him dig himslef into a bit of trouble....and i out. let the red guy finish off the hero. :aok
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:aok Dan that's the kind of thing I'd like to see more of. Last night in Blue I had a fantastic 1v1 with Bosco in his G14. I hit his engine early but he hung in there and made a great fight of it. Out of nowhere some hero in a Spit16 comes in and picks him. I was disgusted I'd rather Bosco shot me down than to see him get picked after the great fight he put up.
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I think it's the difference between knowing it's a game and taking the challenges it offers, and thinking it's "war" and having to win it at all costs.
I know there are plenty of folks who enjoy the challenges and hopefully if us old folks set the example, more will follow suit.
I'd very much rather die in a good fight, then live because someone else picked the guy who had me cold. I know it happens often, and in a furball it's hard to know when to stay out and dive in too. Last night was one of of those where the balance seemed to be working on both sides and it was a good reminder of why I keep playing :)
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why would those that pick show up in a fight in which they cannot pick?
Umm, yeeeah. :lol
i like to sneak up on people. :D
think i got snaphook that way one night. he had just kilt someone, and was slow, comin over the top.........i was able to come up, and put a nice burst right into his wingroot.
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Umm, yeeeah. :lol
GOTCHA!!
apparently you missed the humor in the second quote. :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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Well you didn't use the 10 emoticons to clue me in that time. :(
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and i just noticed that you cut off the last part of my statement...about him returning the favor, and always being a fun fight. :aok
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and i just noticed that you cut off the last part of my statement...about him returning the favor, and always being a fun fight. :aok
I realize what you're trying to accomplish, but it is futile. :salute
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when i'm in a fight like that, and some hero decides i need help, i let him dig himslef into a bit of trouble....and i out. let the red guy finish off the hero. :aok
A couple of years ago Silat and I were winging and having some really good 2v2 and 2v3 fights when Axer and Dextur came along and started to pick the other guys as Silat and I were fighting them. After about 20 minutes of this and getting tired of Axer and Dextur talking smack to the ones they were picking and boasting how they were stealing our kills from us, Silat and I would slowly move to the enemy hord that was nearby with Dextur and Axer following. Once we got to the hord, Silat and I broke for the deck and left Axer and Dextur alone to face about 10-15 enemy. Hearing Dextur go into a nerd rage warmed my heart.
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n/m
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Well you didn't use the 10 emoticons to clue me in that time. :(
So N72 if you want to be in SAPP that bad, why not ask?
LOL the groupie bit is funny :aok
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P38, pfft. Time to remove the training wheelz kids.
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P38, pfft. Time to remove the training wheelz kids.
i like my training wheels. i use em to throw at the red guy behind me. everyone knows i don't need em once i'm airborne, 'cause i ain't seein that cartoon blacktop again..... :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :
hey groupie #1...there's your 10 emoticons. and one for good measure. :rofl
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So N72 if you want to be in SAPP that bad, why not ask?
LOL the groupie bit is funny :aok
i hate to admit it, but it gets me smiling, every time i see it.
:D :aok
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A couple of years ago Silat and I were winging and having some really good 2v2 and 2v3 fights when Axer and Dextur came along and started to pick the other guys as Silat and I were fighting them. After about 20 minutes of this and getting tired of Axer and Dextur talking smack to the ones they were picking and boasting how they were stealing our kills from us, Silat and I would slowly move to the enemy hord that was nearby with Dextur and Axer following. Once we got to the hord, Silat and I broke for the deck and left Axer and Dextur alone to face about 10-15 enemy. Hearing Dextur go into a nerd rage warmed my heart.
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hahaha... i can hear it now.
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I realize what you're trying to accomplish, but it is futile. :salute
i just wanted to try........ :aok
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A couple of years ago Silat and I were winging and having some really good 2v2 and 2v3 fights when Axer and Dextur came along and started to pick the other guys as Silat and I were fighting them. After about 20 minutes of this and getting tired of Axer and Dextur talking smack to the ones they were picking and boasting how they were stealing our kills from us, Silat and I would slowly move to the enemy hord that was nearby with Dextur and Axer following. Once we got to the hord, Silat and I broke for the deck and left Axer and Dextur alone to face about 10-15 enemy. Hearing Dextur go into a nerd rage warmed my heart.
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now THAT was mean.......funny as al get out, but mean! :rofl :rofl
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now THAT was mean.......funny as al get out, but mean! :rofl :rofl
Could have been worse, I could have mass reported them like certain squadrons love to do.
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Could have been worse, I could have mass reported them like certain squadrons love to do.
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They seem to be working overtime to save face. :rofl
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Is that right Ms. Cleo? :lol
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Is that right Ms. Cleo? :lol
wow......you really ARE running out of zingers........ :rofl x 10
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i'm actually putting these up for a few of my squaddies, that seem to think sapp;rs are alt monkeys....and pickers.........
lookit all the alt here ma!!
(http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa135/1LTCAP/altmonkeysapprs.jpg)
it gets better.........any lower here and we'd have been in the trees.....
(http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa135/1LTCAP/reallylowalt.jpg)
and yet more.......
(http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa135/1LTCAP/funtimes.jpg)
bad guys above here.....
(http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa135/1LTCAP/oopss.jpg)
nice little battle here........
(http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa135/1LTCAP/oops.jpg)
i have a sapp worthy landing to follow,......but no time to find the film tonight....bout to pass out.
was fun.......thanks corky for lightin the fire. :aok
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They seem to be working overtime to save face. :rofl
Seems like you are working overtime to rub our ankles raw. Get a diddlying life already. :rolleyes:
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Seems like you are working overtime to rub our ankles raw. Get a twittleing life already. :rolleyes:
haha... you can't reach my ankles... must be fleas on yours... found a deserving home.
You made your bed... now lie in it.
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Seems like you are working overtime to rub our ankles raw. Get a twittleing life already. :rolleyes:
You're the one's mass reporting others after you pansies instigate, not us.
You made your bed... now lie in it.
Exactly.
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Have either of you two ever been "mass" reported by jg54?
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Have either of you two ever been "mass" reported by jg54?
The fact you do it N72 is pathetic. My previous post still stands.
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No answer I see.. :lol
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No answer I see.. :lol
I gave you the answer. But keep checking on this thread! :x
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Ok... Well who did I "mass" report then?
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Ok... Well who did I "mass" report then?
i would venture that you were in on it when bulldog2 got muted the other night......and probably when akak lost his chat the other night too.
it doesn't matter or not if you reported me, masher, shuffler, or any of us. your squad is known for it, and the fact that you guys feel the need to do something like that is fairly sad.
it truly makes me wonder what you're like in rl, and i suspect it's not good.
it's a shame really........you guys could be fun to fight with and against.
on the other hand, your squads antics, while belittling of yourselves, are quite amusing.
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i would venture that you were in on it when bulldog2 got muted the other night......and probably when akak lost his chat the other night too.
I like Bull, so you're wrong on that one. Ive also never reported AKAK either. You know what happen when you ASSUME?
it doesn't matter or not if you reported me, masher, shuffler, or any of us. your squad is known for it, and the fact that you guys feel the need to do something like that is fairly sad.
Don't flatter yourself cap, you're a non factor and not even worth it. Same goes with shuffler and karya.
it truly makes me wonder what you're like in rl, and i suspect it's not good.
it's a shame really........you guys could be fun to fight with and against.
on the other hand, your squads antics, while belittling of yourselves, are quite amusing.
Spin it the way you want and imagine me as a horrible guy, but the more you guys respond the way you do the more it makes you look just like us. But I guess if you think relating my actual life with this game makes you feel like a better man go right ahead.
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But you're a "never was" N72. I'm sorry, but we'll never be on your level. Enjoy life at McD's serving the Drive-Thru.
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:lol See what I mean? Karya doesn't like what I had to say so he makes a statment to make himself look like the better guy.
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Dinan any particular reason that you continue to have a SAPP badge in your sig, when you have no connection to SAPP?
Any particular reason you don't use your ingame name here too? Not very original
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It gets attention, and as karya said it's free advertising. Just about the time I'm going to clear it off someone posts about it (like you have), so I keep it. :lol
The BBS wouldn't let me use N7 because it's too short. :cry
That clear things up for you?
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It gets attention, and as karya said it's free advertising. Just about the time I'm going to clear it off someone posts about it (like you have), so I keep it. :lol
The BBS wouldn't let me use N7 because it's too short. :cry
That clear things up for you?
So you are humping my ankle then. Seems kinda sad, and a bit beneath you.
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It gets attention, and as karya said it's free advertising. Just about the time I'm going to clear it off someone posts about it (like you have), so I keep it. :lol
The BBS wouldn't let me use N7 because it's too short. :cry
That clear things up for you?
look below in some of our sigs.......we put our ingame names there.
and so ya know.......things i say, aren't aimed directly at you....although in statements i say "you". they're about that squad in general.
the people one chooses to associate with, and be around says a lot about them.
maybe in rl you're an ok guy.....maybe not. dunno. don't care, for the most part, as i'll never meet you in rl.
just sayin..........
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So you are humping my ankle then. Seems kinda sad, and a bit beneath you.
ya might wanna get some kinda protection. i heard akak, and shuffler already had to go on medical leave, due to ankle problems suffered from excessive humping. :noid
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Chill out guys! I only have two legs!
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it's amazing how you try to spin things like that.......you work in politics per chance? :D
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But you're a "never was" N72. I'm sorry, but we'll never be on your level. Enjoy life at McD's serving the Drive-Thru.
What's wrong with someone working at a drive thru? :huh
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it's amazing how you try to spin things like that.......you work in politics per chance? :D
Well let's see... I have you, Charles 'Corky' Thacher, karya and snuffler all over me. :uhoh
Must be that artificial akak urine I put on my ankles.
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looks to me more like you're running from ankle to ankle, trying to figure out which one smells best. :noid
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What's wrong with someone working at a drive thru? :huh
i actuallly stopped at the wendys drive thru last week on the way to mcguire......was a rather hot chick working there........and that's as far as i can describe without meeting the banstick......
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I guess that explains why karya has a thing against the drive-thru. :rofl
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I guess that explains why karya has a thing against the drive-thru. :rofl
You are the guy misrepresenting himself N72. Thought it was the 'Class Acts'.
But you go for it. I thought you were better then that. Sorry I was wrong.
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A big :salute :salute :salute to my fellow peee38 peelots!
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A big :salute :salute :salute to my fellow peee38 peelots!
:rofl You just gave me a great idea on what to call the 38J! Pee B(For Plane Type)&J! :rofl
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A big :salute :salute :salute to my fellow peee38 peelots!
You too Storch? Just sad. If you are that much in need of attention why not just ask?
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You too Storch? Just sad. If you are that much in need of attention why not just ask?
i somehow don't think he'd be able to fly a p38 anywhere near as well as he thinks he can.
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Whats sad are all these storch sightings...
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Whats sad are all these storch sightings...
Then what is your in game handle?
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Must be that artificial akak urine I put on my ankles.
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lol the real stuff was in his drink.
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lol the real stuff was in his drink.
lol after you spit it out .
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lol after you spit it out .
FlyinFin, does this mean we can count on you being our 3rd groupie and start sporting our group's logo? Just asking because Mensa found out what a groupie does and is expecting to get lucky. Can I tell him that he can count on you to deliver?
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FlyinFin, does this mean we can count on you being our 3rd groupie and start sporting our group's logo? Just asking because Mensa found out what groupies are and is expecting to get lucky. Can I tell him that he can count on you to deliver?
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"Peg legs need lovin' too!" Poor Mensa.
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lol after you spit it out .
Gonna join the parade too Fin?
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wow.....is that entire squad a squad of shades? :rolleyes:
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wow.....is that entire squad a squad of shades? :rolleyes:
Not sure, but they they stick out like an iguana trying to be a chamelion.
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Not sure, but they they stick out like an iguana trying to be a chamelion.
LOL!
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It's always a pleasure fighting Sappers. It's fun to watch them from my chute :confused:
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Not sure, but they they stick out like an iguana trying to be a chamelion.
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It's always a pleasure fighting Sappers. It's fun to watch them from my chute :confused:
that could be because we fight for the fun of the fight? :D
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One thing ive noticed about fighting around the 38 guys, they always ask before jumping on the con your engaged with. :aok
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OK, I'm Storch, I'm also anyone else that's got a reputation, I can be anything and everything if we can all just agree to disagree and move along.
Anyway, where's my invite to do some flying in a 38 with one of you saap boys? I'm not as crap as I was, but still crapish. I have no time available till next week at the earliest, but would like a chance to ride along for a few sorties, Never know, I might start to like a 38 :)
Cheers boys!
Tunes (or storch or anyone else)
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One thing ive noticed about fighting around the 38 guys, they always ask before jumping on the con your engaged with. :aok
i always ask first. if you say no, then i advise on 200 that i'm out, and watch from a non-threatening distance.
you say yes, or don't answer, then i come in. :aok
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Anyway, where's my invite to do some flying in a 38 with one of you saap boys?
You'll get it in "2 weeks".
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You'll get it in "2 weeks".
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OK, I'm Storch, I'm also anyone else that's got a reputation, I can be anything and everything if we can all just agree to disagree and move along.
Anyway, where's my invite to do some flying in a 38 with one of you saap boys? I'm not as crap as I was, but still crapish. I have no time available till next week at the earliest, but would like a chance to ride along for a few sorties, Never know, I might start to like a 38 :)
Cheers boys!
Tunes (or storch or anyone else)
Just gotta ask if you see someone up. Larry's flown 38s with me many a time in the past. 38G's too!
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One thing ive noticed about fighting around the 38 guys, they always ask before jumping on the con your engaged with. :aok
I've been trying to do that lately, if I see someone that I haven't been engaged with heading for home that im chasing, I'll ask on too if he's RTB.
If it swooped through and made a pick pass and runs home, you bet I'm gunna follow him and vulch him on the runway. :D
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2 weeks was a good one! Walked right into that one :)
But I do need to learn how shuffler and ack ack work that 38, Shuffler in particular, he squirms around in that thing and then sticks to you like glue, I've often seen a 38 low and though "ah ha, easy pickings" and it's shuffler, and off to the tower for me :)
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Anyway, where's my invite to do some flying in a 38 with one of you saap boys? Cheers boys!
Tunes (or storch or anyone else)
So thats it ........ I thought it was SAPP. My bad. That explains why I haven't gotten the invite yet.
They said I could join if I took Mensa and her Peg Leg out on a date. That was over 6 months ago. :noid :noid
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although itunes is being fairly respectable here.......i'll not fly with anyone from that squad, solely based on their antics in the arenas.
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That's a pretty predjudicial statement, CAP, don't you think? You should, at the very least, give someone a chance before forming an opinion on an individual. I think you should atleast afford him the opportunity to prove himself one way or another. Your might be surprised!
Funny, we've never made that statement like that about anyone or any squad in this game! we've never judged players based on their squad affiliation.
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That's a pretty predjudicial statement, CAP, don't you think? You should, at the very least, give someone a chance before forming an opinion on an individual. I think you should atleast afford him the opportunity to prove himself one way or another. Your might be surprised!
Funny, we've never made that statement like that about anyone or any squad in this game! we've never judged players based on their squad affiliation.
yea, it is, and i'm sorry, but that's the way it is.
in r/l people tend to hang out with like minded people. it often seems the same in here. thus, if there's a couple bad eggs in the squad, chances are good there's more.
i gave one guy in here(not on your squad) a chance, and he stuck the proverbial knife in my back.
on the other hand,i might've had a decent fight against n7 last night, but my #2 engine pooped out just as i turned to face him.....thus i lost all of my maneuvering speed in the 2nd half of that turn.
my judgement is based on the antics of a couple of your members, and the fact that you defend them. if i were a squad co, and one of my members did stupid poop like that that would possibly give us a bad rep, i would give them one chance.......if i were to see it again, i would immediately boot them from the squad. there would be no questions, or options in my mind.
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then again this is a game, not a military operation. if you actually knew any of the guys, you absolutely would never be able to make that statement. From the outside looking in, i can understand your point of view. otherwise, its a pretty arrogant statement. luckily i was brought up to be a little more forgiving then that.
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then again this is a game, not a military operation. if you actually knew any of the guys, you absolutely would never be able to make that statement. From the outside looking in, i can understand your point of view. otherwise, its a pretty arrogant statement. luckily i was brought up to be a little more forgiving then that.
so was i.
you know who i'm talking about....and......aahh...neve rmind.............i can't get it outta my head in a way you'll understand what i'm tryin to say.
if you see me in the arenas, pm me.........there's no use continually bringing this stuff here.........i'll talk to ya there, ok?
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ok sounds good, peace man! :aok
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That's a pretty predjudicial statement, CAP, don't you think? You should, at the very least, give someone a chance before forming an opinion on an individual. I think you should atleast afford him the opportunity to prove himself one way or another. Your might be surprised!
Funny, we've never made that statement like that about anyone or any squad in this game! we've never judged players based on their squad affiliation.
When your on the bottom everything looks rosey.
I form an opinion of someone based on their actions and their choices. No matter how nice a house is..... if it is located in a dump.....
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When your on the bottom everything looks rosey.
I form an opinion of someone based on their actions and their choices. No matter how nice a house is..... if it is located in a dump.....
It's a shame you think like that. I like to see the good in people, yourself included!
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Funny, we've never made that statement like that about anyone or any squad in this game! we've never judged players based on their squad affiliation.
Except when it's the 80th, AoM, VMF-15....
You and the other members of your squadron have made some very negative statements about the squadrons that fly in the MW arena. I have seen you and others in JG54 make negative remarks about the 80th, AoM, VF-15 and the other various squadrons. Hell, you guys have an entire forum in your squadron message boards devoted to talking crap about the squadrons you dislike.
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Except when it's the 80th, AoM, VMF-15....
You and the other members of your squadron have made some very negative statements about the squadrons that fly in the MW arena. I have seen you and others in JG54 make negative remarks about the 80th, AoM, VF-15 and the other various squadrons. Hell, you guys have an entire forum in your squadron message boards devoted to talking crap about the squadrons you dislike.
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and amazingly, i've yet to meet anyone in the 80th that i don't like.......same in vf15.....i don't know who aom is........
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Right and they are free to come in and talk crap about us too. Atleast we're willing to give them that option....
<edit>And actually i doubt you've ever seen me make a negative comment about a group of people. Individuals, yes absolutely, but not a group. Each person in the group is a individual. I can't not like a group because of one player, but i can not like one particular player in a group.
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Funny, we've never made that statement like that about anyone or any squad in this game! we've never judged players based on their squad affiliation.
Funny... Your really contradicting yourself. Maybe arguing with a 7 year old really ISN'T worth the time.
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im glad you're able to point out my short-comings lazerr. i hope you'll sleep better tonight, having done so.
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Thats your only response? Why not just quit posting? I dont see the point of you being in this thread anyhow.... I could care less, Its not like it took much to point out that you dont make sense. Definately not an accomplishment on my Wed. afternoon.
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It's a shame you think like that. I like to see the good in people, yourself included!
So why have folks in your squad go out of their way to provoke people then?
Funny how a thread I started to thanks folks for a nice night of cartoon air combat has become a JG54 thread. Two of your guys misrepresenting themselves as associated with SAPP, and just general ankle humping by the same. What JG54 has to do with a post thanking folks for a fun fight that did not include them, I have no idea.
In all honesty I'm hugely disappointed as I'd thought the JG54 need for negative attention time had gone a while back.
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Thats your only response? Why not just quit posting? I dont see the point of you being in this thread anyhow.... I could care less, Its not like it took much to point out that you dont make sense. Definately not an accomplishment on my Wed. afternoon.
just trying to help you feel better about yourself, no harm meant.
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So why have folks in your squad go out of their way to provoke people then?
Funny how a thread I started to thanks folks for a nice night of cartoon air combat has become a JG54 thread. Two of your guys misrepresenting themselves as associated with SAPP, and just general ankle humping by the same. What JG54 has to do with a post thanking folks for a fun fight that did not include them, I have no idea.
In all honesty I'm hugely disappointed as I'd thought the JG54 need for negative attention time had gone a while back.
Someone made it a JG54 thread, I'm just helping it along. Besides, last time i checked, it was a free country.
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Someone made it a JG54 thread, I'm just helping it along. Besides, last time i checked, it was a free country.
UUMM.....2 OF your squaddies did that sir. look back to page one.
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Right and they are free to come in and talk crap about us too. Atleast we're willing to give them that option....
It's a private forum, most of the people you talk crap about in your forum don't know what is being said about them and aren't able to defend themselves. Here's your word of the day...Hypocrite.
ack-ack
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It's a private forum, most of the people you talk crap about in your forum don't know what is being said about them and aren't able to defend themselves. Here's your word of the day...Hypocrite.
ack-ack
SUCH as the stuff lazy was saying about sapp?
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SUCH as the stuff lazy was saying about sapp?
That was surprising for me.
Shows how some folks are. He quit SAPP and then says someone booted him? Sounds like personal issues to me.
Then he posts that he kicked everyone's tail in SAPP. :rofl I have yet to find who the everyone is. Even though SAPP is a group that has a lot of fun and is easy going.... most all of them have more than the basics down pretty pat. Has self-esteem issues written all over it. Well he fell into a group of like minded individuals over there.
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Motion to End this Thread. My Eyes hurt :noid :noid :noid
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Motion to End this Thread. My Eyes hurt :noid :noid :noid
:aok :rofl :rofl
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Motion to End this Thread. My Eyes hurt
<queue picture of CAP's gross toe>
ack-ack
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JG54's latest attempt at infiltration into SAPP:
(http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/4903/62486013.jpg)
Oh wait.....that's mine... shoot. :furious
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It's a private forum, most of the people you talk crap about in your forum don't know what is being said about them and aren't able to defend themselves. Here's your word of the day...Hypocrite.
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No actually its not a private forum, anyone can sign up. Even you if you wanted to. We'd welcome your presence and your bantor.
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Wow, why do soooo many people hate us Peee38 flyers? :salute
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That was surprising for me.
Shows how some folks are. He quit SAPP and then says someone booted him? Sounds like personal issues to me.
Then he posts that he kicked everyone's tail in SAPP. :rofl I have yet to find who the everyone is. Even though SAPP is a group that has a lot of fun and is easy going.... most all of them have more than the basics down pretty pat. Has self-esteem issues written all over it. Well he fell into a group of like minded individuals over there.
maybe he's talkin about me. he's picked me over a dozen times......and in the one good fight.....and i was having a BLAST fighting him in 38j vs 38j, i finally started to get some angles.....and.....well...... .you know where i'm goin.......... :noid
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<queue picture of CAP's gross toe>
ack-ack
i possibly should.....but i don't feel right doing that to a thread guppy started.........but if you guys insist...... :rofl :rofl
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JG54's latest attempt at infiltration into SAPP:
(http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/4903/62486013.jpg)
Oh wait.....that's mine... shoot. :furious
meow that's some funny stuff there meow
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farticus
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JG54's latest attempt at infiltration into SAPP:
(http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/4903/62486013.jpg)
Oh wait.....that's mine... shoot. :furious
I want to let you (and everyone else that's done or going to do) know that I reported your post via the moderator function. I have asked in various threads, and in various posts that sweeping generalizations are not the way to express an opinion and would the posters be more clear so I do not have my character questioned.. I am a member of JG54, I have never had my game play called into question by anyone at anytime.I have had nothing but a good laugh and fun with all sides when I have been online. I find these posts insulting and offensive to my character. I will continue to exercise my right to use the moderator function in this regard until posters are clear in what and who they are having issues with. I've made this public so we can all be clear- I will not have my integrity challenged by sweeping remarks and then having mob rule decide.
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Wow, why do soooo many people hate us Peee38 flyers? :salute
You never did tell us what you're in game name is if it isn't storchita....
ack-ack
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I want to let you (and everyone else that's done or going to do) know that I reported your post via the moderator function. I have asked in various threads, and in various posts that sweeping generalizations are not the way to express an opinion and would the posters be more clear so I do not have my character questioned.. I am a member of JG54, I have never had my game play called into question by anyone at anytime.I have had nothing but a good laugh and fun with all sides when I have been online. I find these posts insulting and offensive to my character. I will continue to exercise my right to use the moderator function in this regard until posters are clear in what and who they are having issues with. I've made this public so we can all be clear- I will not have my integrity challenged by sweeping remarks and then having mob rule decide.
Well, at least you're showing how proficient JG54 is at reporting...
ack-ack
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You never did tell us what you're in game name is if it isn't storchita....
ack-ack
Good luck getting that out of antivortex!
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I want to let you (and everyone else that's done or going to do) know that I reported your post via the moderator function. I have asked in various threads, and in various posts that sweeping generalizations are not the way to express an opinion and would the posters be more clear so I do not have my character questioned.. I am a member of JG54, I have never had my game play called into question by anyone at anytime.I have had nothing but a good laugh and fun with all sides when I have been online. I find these posts insulting and offensive to my character. I will continue to exercise my right to use the moderator function in this regard until posters are clear in what and who they are having issues with. I've made this public so we can all be clear- I will not have my integrity challenged by sweeping remarks and then having mob rule decide.
And if I find it insulting, offensive and a lack of integrity for someone not associated with a group I helped to start in AH, using the logo in their sig? And those folks are from your JG54?
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I want to let you (and everyone else that's done or going to do) know that I reported your post via the moderator function. I have asked in various threads, and in various posts that sweeping generalizations are not the way to express an opinion and would the posters be more clear so I do not have my character questioned.. I am a member of JG54, I have never had my game play called into question by anyone at anytime.I have had nothing but a good laugh and fun with all sides when I have been online. I find these posts insulting and offensive to my character. I will continue to exercise my right to use the moderator function in this regard until posters are clear in what and who they are having issues with. I've made this public so we can all be clear- I will not have my integrity challenged by sweeping remarks and then having mob rule decide.
i'll start this off with a disclaimer.....this is NOT intended as an attack on you or anyone.
now.......you have a friend....not a close friend, one you only see a couple times a month, and you've only known him for about a year. you find out that this friend hangs with that gang of drunks down at the local dive.
now........wouldn't that change your opinion of him somewhat?
haven't you noticed that we all tend to "judge" or "characterize" people partly based on who them choose to associate with?
can you see now, why you(and probably others) may be "judged" in a way that you don't like.....and probably don't deserve?
just sayin............
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i'll start this off with a disclaimer.....this is NOT intended as an attack on you or anyone.
now.......you have a friend....not a close friend, one you only see a couple times a month, and you've only known him for about a year. you find out that this friend hangs with that gang of drunks down at the local dive.
now........wouldn't that change your opinion of him somewhat?
haven't you noticed that we all tend to "judge" or "characterize" people partly based on who them choose to associate with?
can you see now, why you(and probably others) may be "judged" in a way that you don't like.....and probably don't deserve?
just sayin............
Exactly. When one hangs around a dung pile, is it not surprising one starts to smell like dung?
ack-ack
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I want to let you (and everyone else that's done or going to do) know that I reported your post via the moderator function. I have asked in various threads, and in various posts that sweeping generalizations are not the way to express an opinion and would the posters be more clear so I do not have my character questioned.. I am a member of JG54, I have never had my game play called into question by anyone at anytime.I have had nothing but a good laugh and fun with all sides when I have been online. I find these posts insulting and offensive to my character. I will continue to exercise my right to use the moderator function in this regard until posters are clear in what and who they are having issues with. I've made this public so we can all be clear- I will not have my integrity challenged by sweeping remarks and then having mob rule decide.
Character?
So they won't let you leave?
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I want to let you (and everyone else that's done or going to do) know that I reported your post via the moderator function. I have asked in various threads, and in various posts that sweeping generalizations are not the way to express an opinion and would the posters be more clear so I do not have my character questioned.. I am a member of JG54, I have never had my game play called into question by anyone at anytime.I have had nothing but a good laugh and fun with all sides when I have been online. I find these posts insulting and offensive to my character. I will continue to exercise my right to use the moderator function in this regard until posters are clear in what and who they are having issues with. I've made this public so we can all be clear- I will not have my integrity challenged by sweeping remarks and then having mob rule decide.
:aok :salute
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Good luck getting that out of antivortex!
SOOOO....what's he afraid of that he won't?
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Exactly. When one hangs around a dung pile, is it not surprising one starts to smell like dung?
ack-ack
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i'm glad someone gets it. :aok
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Exactly. When one hangs around a dung pile, is it not surprising one starts to smell like dung?
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Although this was an attempt to communicate by third-party, the implication and by definition- the meaning is clear. I have reported this one to the moderator also. This was an attempt to ridicule by division.
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Although this was an attempt to communicate by third-party, the implication and by definition- the meaning is clear. I have reported this one to the moderator also. This was an attempt to ridicule by division.
Hate to tell you but that's the reality of this world. You hang around players that are less than reputable and are shocked that by association you're also looked down at? If you don't want to be looked down at, get away from the dung pile and wash yourself off.
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Although this was an attempt to communicate by third-party, the implication and by definition- the meaning is clear. I have reported this one to the moderator also. This was an attempt to ridicule by division.
i don't think he was trying to ridicule anyone dude......he was saying in 1 sentence what it took me 2 paragraphs to say.............
do you realize that most people think i'm a landgrabber, because the squad i'm currently in likes to do that? the only people that realize otherwise are the great people in sapp.......and that's 'cause they've fought with and against me. hell.......guppy was grading my multi-point landings last week. :D :rofl some of my airplane landed with me, some landed over there, some a little farther away........ :noid :x
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i don't think he was trying to ridicule anyone dude......he was saying in 1 sentence what it took me 2 paragraphs to say.............
Ridicule? No. A well pointed observation? Yes.
ack-ack
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When one hangs around a dung pile, is it not surprising one starts to smell like dung?
This is true. I dont mean this in any way about JG54 or anyone in particular but the analogy is true.
I also dont care if I get reported. :D
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This is true. I dont mean this in any way about JG54 or anyone in particular but the analogy is true.
I also dont care if I get reported. :D
o yea?
i'm gonna report ya 'cause ya don't care. :noid
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This is true. I dont mean this in any way about JG54 or anyone in particular but the analogy is true.
I also dont care if I get reported. :D
1. It's not an analogy, it's an uncontentious claim.
2.Division- when we reason that whatever is true of the whole must be true of each of the parts.
I hope this makes ack ack's claim more clearer.
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1. It's not an analogy, it's an uncontentious claim.
2.Division- when we reason that whatever is true of the whole must be true of each of the parts.
I hope this makes ack ack's claim more clearer.
I note you didn't respond to my question
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I didn't know that it was I who had to respond to your question, You never indicated anywhere that I was to answer it.
Lets look at your question:"And if I find it insulting, offensive and a lack of integrity for someone not associated with a group I helped to start in AH, using the logo in their sig? And those folks are from your JG54?"
I can't find anything to answer. The first part of the question:"And if I find it insulting, offensive and a lack of integrity for someone not associated with a group I helped to start in AH, using the logo in their sig? " That's a statement rather than a question. I can't find anything there that requires an answer. Your writing that you find "it" insulting, offensive and a lack of integrity for someone not associated with a group that you helped to start in AH, using the logo in their sig. There's nothing to answer, your telling us/me how you feel.
The second part:"And those folks are from your JG54?" There's no linkage between that part and the first part.
I'm assuming that you claim there are members of JG54 using a logo created by you and this upsets you? If that is the case, that indeed you are upset by some members of JG54 using a logo created by you then you should find out who these members are and tell them that you are upset by this.
Hope this helps.
iTunes.
I notice that after my explanation of Ack Ack's post that there was no comment(s). If my reasoning behind the offending post is not clear enough then lets have a discussion about it.
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I didn't know that it was I who had to respond to your question, You never indicated anywhere that I was to answer it.
Lets look at your question:"And if I find it insulting, offensive and a lack of integrity for someone not associated with a group I helped to start in AH, using the logo in their sig? And those folks are from your JG54?"
I can't find anything to answer. The first part of the question:"And if I find it insulting, offensive and a lack of integrity for someone not associated with a group I helped to start in AH, using the logo in their sig? " That's a statement rather than a question. I can't find anything there that requires an answer. Your writing that you find "it" insulting, offensive and a lack of integrity for someone not associated with a group that you helped to start in AH, using the logo in their sig. There's nothing to answer, your telling us/me how you feel.
The second part:"And those folks are from your JG54?" There's no linkage between that part and the first part.
I'm assuming that you claim there are members of JG54 using a logo created by you and this upsets you? If that is the case, that indeed you are upset by some members of JG54 using a logo created by you then you should find out who these members are and tell them that you are upset by this.
Hope this helps.
iTunes.
two of the members of jg54 are using sapp logos. they happen to be two members that are somewhat less than respectful to others in these forums, and ingame. they are trying to associate themselves with sapp.
sapp is a group of pile-its that love the p38. it's place in history, it's looks, it's flight characteristics, pretty much everything about it.
we also fly for one reason, and one reason only. fun. we don't care if we win a fight or lose a fight. we just love being down n dirty in the treetops havin fun.
an example.........a standard sapp landing(i'm still in training, so ya hafta pardon that there's so much aircraft left......
(http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa135/1LTCAP/lookinbad2.jpg)
(http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa135/1LTCAP/lookinbad3.jpg)
(http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa135/1LTCAP/lookinbad4.jpg)
(http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa135/1LTCAP/lookinbad5.jpg)
i was pretty proud of that one.
i chased this guy....we started out a little higher than this.......
(http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa135/1LTCAP/reallylowalt.jpg)
(http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa135/1LTCAP/reallylowalt3.jpg)
one of the slower times during this furball...it was even side v side, as there was one bogie that just overshot me in this pic....
(http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa135/1LTCAP/oops.jpg)
(http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa135/1LTCAP/funtimes.jpg)
this is the kind of fun we try to have. we don't grief anyone. we don't horde anyone. we back off from the base when the fight gets too close, so that they can get up, and get to a good fighting speed.
we go fly, and die. sometimes we land................
the members in question, spend their nights trying to stir up poop on 200 to the point that a lot of people squelch em. they don't come down and fight......well......n7 does. i kinda like fighting him, although i always lose. beardawg comes down sometimes too.......but then he's not one of the ones greifing all the time.
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Great pictures Cap. It amazes me what some people can do with such a large aircraft. Some of you guys must have been flying for years to get really good in the 38. Lets look at Shuffler, he's a great 38 flier. I've never seen him up high swooping down, He's always down low in the mix so to speak. I know this as often I've seen a 38 and the next thing-Shuffler has stuck me in the tower :) Still, it's great to fight with guys like that.
I just wish that we could all carry that same spirit onto the bbs, however, given human nature, it's a forlorn hope.
Cheers
Tunes.
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I didn't know that it was I who had to respond to your question, You never indicated anywhere that I was to answer it.
Just an observation from the side here- You were the one talking about being insulted and offended then the question Guppy35 asked stating that he felt insulted about a member(s) of your squad's actions is clearly linked and directed towards you.
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Great pictures Cap. It amazes me what some people can do with such a large aircraft. Some of you guys must have been flying for years to get really good in the 38. Lets look at Shuffler, he's a great 38 flier. I've never seen him up high swooping down, He's always down low in the mix so to speak. I know this as often I've seen a 38 and the next thing-Shuffler has stuck me in the tower :) Still, it's great to fight with guys like that.
I just wish that we could all carry that same spirit onto the bbs, however, given human nature, it's a forlorn hope.
Cheers
Tunes.
SHUFFLER is the main reason i finally got the balls to start flying the 38. i had wanted to for a long time. but i knew/know it's a hard bird to fight in.
i was flying my hellkitty. i see this 38 low and slow....if i recall, he had just finished off another aircraft....prime for the quick kill. whelp........about 45 seconds later i'm in the tower. i go back, and he's engaged with 2 others. i figure the hell with it.....i'll join in. took him all of a minute that time.
so i jump into a 38j. same thing. 1-1, he put me in the tower again. but the funny thing........he put out on 200 what i did wrong. i corrected that problem, and i was doing better. every single fight against him is/was incredibly fun, and a great learning experience. he's great to wing with too.
i like flying with ALL of the sapp dudes.
that furball i posted pics from......guppy was trying to warn me a couple times of impending doom should i not turn hard and NOW......then as parts came off(i had target fixation), and i landed all over the forrest, he graded me. :rofl i think the highest i got was a 9.5. :D
that's how everybody is in sapp. we find something fun in almost everything.
i would imagine that if you could convince your squaddies to stop flinging poo, and remove the sapp logo, it may help............i don't expect ya to do that, but what's the worst that can happen by me asking? :aok
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but what's the worst that can happen by me asking? :aok
Ummm get reported. :D
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Ummm get reported. :D
eehh....reported..........ooo oo noeesssssssssssssss :noid :noid
wait....i need to say something mean to make it worth it........
poopiehead!!!!!
:noid :noid :rofl :rofl
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I didn't know that it was I who had to respond to your question, You never indicated anywhere that I was to answer it.
Lets look at your question:"And if I find it insulting, offensive and a lack of integrity for someone not associated with a group I helped to start in AH, using the logo in their sig? And those folks are from your JG54?"
I can't find anything to answer. The first part of the question:"And if I find it insulting, offensive and a lack of integrity for someone not associated with a group I helped to start in AH, using the logo in their sig? " That's a statement rather than a question. I can't find anything there that requires an answer. Your writing that you find "it" insulting, offensive and a lack of integrity for someone not associated with a group that you helped to start in AH, using the logo in their sig. There's nothing to answer, your telling us/me how you feel.
The second part:"And those folks are from your JG54?" There's no linkage between that part and the first part.
I'm assuming that you claim there are members of JG54 using a logo created by you and this upsets you? If that is the case, that indeed you are upset by some members of JG54 using a logo created by you then you should find out who these members are and tell them that you are upset by this.
Hope this helps.
iTunes.
I notice that after my explanation of Ack Ack's post that there was no comment(s). If my reasoning behind the offending post is not clear enough then lets have a discussion about it.
Since I quoted your post talking about integrity I thought you might get the connection. Both Stodd and Cap have explained it again. Do you need more clarification?
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Just an observation from the side here- You were the one talking about being insulted and offended then the question Guppy35 asked stating that he felt insulted about a member(s) of your squad's actions is clearly linked and directed towards you.
Guppy never asked a question. Guppy never asked me a question.
Just an observation from the side here- You were the one talking about being insulted and offended(A) [then] the question Guppy35 asked stating that he felt insulted about a member(s) (B) [of ]your squad's actions is clearly linked and directed towards you.(C)
A I was talking about being insulted and offended.
B the question Guppy asked said he felt about a members(s)
C Your squad's actions is clearly linked and directed towards you.
The point of your argument is to link A-C I can't do this, your argument is unrepairable. My personal feelings are somehow related to the actions of JG54? Where's the conclusion? If A but not B, but C, B is the conclusion. If C but not A means that B has to be as strong as C.
Hope this help.
Tunes.
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Since I quoted your post talking about integrity I thought you might get the connection. Both Stodd and Cap have explained it again. Do you need more clarification?
I made some assumptions in an earlier post about your post and I answered it to the best of my ability. I also asked a question RE: Ack Ack's comment, I haven't seen one line either in agreeing or disagreeing- that is, using division. I have proved conclusively that Ack Ack did indeed use division as a means to argue. I have proven that his comments were not sound. I haven't had any feedback yet. I'll write what division is again, just so we are all clear- When we reason that whatever is true of the whole must therefore be true of the parts-it's a fallacy.
I invite anyone to read Ack Ack's earlier post RE: dung and post if I have this mistaken. I expect an apology from Ack Ack and ask him to reconsider his post. Or I can use his own logic, and that of Stodd, and others and assume that the "fun. integrity" of SAPP is not true and the whole of SAPP (in game) must be just like their actions on this bbs.
Regards
Tunes.
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Guppy never asked a question. Guppy never asked me a question.
Just an observation from the side here- You were the one talking about being insulted and offended(A) [then] the question Guppy35 asked stating that he felt insulted about a member(s) (B) [of ]your squad's actions is clearly linked and directed towards you.(C)
A I was talking about being insulted and offended.
B the question Guppy asked said he felt about a members(s)
C Your squad's actions is clearly linked and directed towards you.
The point of your argument is to link A-C I can't do this, your argument is unrepairable. My personal feelings are somehow related to the actions of JG54? Where's the conclusion? If A but not B, but C, B is the conclusion. If C but not A means that B has to be as strong as C.
Hope this help.
Tunes.
ok......
i used to have really long hair, back when i rode a lot.always in the obligatory leather bijker jacket, and the boots, torn heans.
those were the people i hung with a lot of the time.
people used to cross the street to avoid me(and i'm nowhere NEAR being a badass). but i was judged by the way i looked, and the people i hung with....and yes, i do think it is wrong, but it's the way it is.
six years ago, i finally grew up a bit, got a normal haircut, and started dressing a little more my age......neater jeans, sneakers or clean combat boots. if i'm on my way to or from a CAP event, i'm in some sort of uniform....either bdu;s or dress blues, or flightsuit...whichever is required for the mission.
people come up to me asking what i do now. no one tries to avoid me. now i'm still being judged by the people i hang with.......and i still think it's wrong.....but it's the way it is. i'm exactly the same person i was back then, but with short hair, and ended up going a different path in life than my biker friends.
the point is, that we are ALL judged by the company we keep. on line, in real life, where ever........
like i said in my earlier post......most people think i'm a landgrabber, soley because that's what my current squad does.
the fact is that i fight in the air. sometimes i'll support them in their attempt, as they may need the help...or it may help to propogate the fight......but i'm by no means a landgrabber.
so by these examples, it doesn't matter if you're a saint or not. you're going to be judged by the people you choose to associate with here.
this is by no means an attack on you, i'm just trying to explain this side of the situation to ya. again, it's not right.....but we all do it. it's human nature.....
i don';t dislike ya just because you're in the jg54.......but i also don't trust ya either.....because you choose to associate with people like some of them are.
i have no qualms with larry or n7 either...but i feel the same about them as i do you.....no dislike, but no trust either.
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Guppy never asked a question. Guppy never asked me a question.
OK Tunes, since we're gonna tap dance.
It bothers me that N7 and Storch or whatever ID he uses now, are presenting themselves as part of SAPP. They are both JG54. They are not associated with the SAPP 38 guys in anyway. To represent themselves as such is insulting and shows a real lack of class and integrity, something you referred to in the post I quoted. Frankly I think it's disrespectful of something I started and take some pride in.
As a member of JG54 are you comfortable with people associated with you misrepresenting themselves that way?
If folks want to get into individual pissing contests, that's up to them. I could care less. I've not taken part in it, nor do I intend to other then to question 2 members of JG54 misrepresenting themselves as part of SAPP.
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I made some assumptions in an earlier post about your post and I answered it to the best of my ability. I also asked a question RE: Ack Ack's comment, I haven't seen one line either in agreeing or disagreeing- that is, using division. I have proved conclusively that Ack Ack did indeed use division as a means to argue. I have proven that his comments were not sound. I haven't had any feedback yet. I'll write what division is again, just so we are all clear- When we reason that whatever is true of the whole must therefore be true of the parts-it's a fallacy.
I invite anyone to read Ack Ack's earlier post RE: dung and post if I have this mistaken. I expect an apology from Ack Ack and ask him to reconsider his post. Or I can use his own logic, and that of Stodd, and others and assume that the "fun. integrity" of SAPP is not true and the whole of SAPP (in game) must be just like their actions on this bbs.
Regards
Tunes.
Apologize for what? Here, I'll try it again with more politically correct terminology so as not to offend your delicate sensabilities.
When one hangs around trash, is one not surprised they start to smell like a garbage man?
Go ahead and report this post too, as I said it's something your squadron has shown itself to be quite proficient at.
ack-ack
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OK Tunes, since we're gonna tap dance.
It bothers me that N7 and Storch or whatever ID he uses now, are presenting themselves as part of SAPP. They are both JG54. They are not associated with the SAPP 38 guys in anyway. To represent themselves as such is insulting and shows a real lack of class and integrity, something you referred to in the post I quoted. Frankly I think it's disrespectful of something I started and take some pride in.
As a member of JG54 are you comfortable with people associated with you misrepresenting themselves that way?
If folks want to get into individual pissing contests, that's up to them. I could care less. I've not taken part in it, nor do I intend to other then to question 2 members of JG54 misrepresenting themselves as part of SAPP.
I'm not trying to tap dance, I'm trying to reason. I'm reasoning to show that using a term to describe the whole is wrong. I haven't anywhere, anytime said or written anything about a separate issue that you don't like. I haven't on any occasion said or written anything about the alleged involvement of members/ex members in that issue you are referring too. I haven't on any occasion said or written anything in anyway, that mentions being comfortable with anything. My responses have been aimed at what is being said about an individual (me) on a group basis. Two separate issues and there is no linkage, none whatsoever between the two. My argument is in trying to show this, but unfortunately I can't seem to get this message across. Once again, If I use the same logic used by you and others in SAPP or have some form of relationship with SAPP, then Ack Ack's comments are from everyone in that organization, and I object being referred to as "dung."
I can then only assume that SAPP think and refer to me as "dung"." I find that disappointing and unreasonable.
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Well, at least you're showing how proficient JG54 is at reporting...
ack-ack
Underrated post. :rofl
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I'm not trying to tap dance, I'm trying to reason. I'm reasoning to show that using a term to describe the whole is wrong. I haven't anywhere, anytime said or written anything about a separate issue that you don't like. I haven't on any occasion said or written anything about the alleged involvement of members/ex members in that issue you are referring too. I haven't on any occasion said or written anything in anyway, that mentions being comfortable with anything. My responses have been aimed at what is being said about an individual (me) on a group basis. Two separate issues and there is no linkage, none whatsoever between the two. My argument is in trying to show this, but unfortunately I can't seem to get this message across. Once again, If I use the same logic used by you and others in SAPP or have some form of relationship with SAPP, then Ack Ack's comments are from everyone in that organization, and I object being referred to as "dung."
I can then only assume that SAPP think and refer to me as "dung"." I find that disappointing and unreasonable.
i don't recalll seeing anything aimed directly at you? except that you're associated with them. in fact, guppy told you at one point to call him when ya saw him online?
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I'm not trying to tap dance, I'm trying to reason. I'm reasoning to show that using a term to describe the whole is wrong. I haven't anywhere, anytime said or written anything about a separate issue that you don't like. I haven't on any occasion said or written anything about the alleged involvement of members/ex members in that issue you are referring too. I haven't on any occasion said or written anything in anyway, that mentions being comfortable with anything. My responses have been aimed at what is being said about an individual (me) on a group basis. Two separate issues and there is no linkage, none whatsoever between the two. My argument is in trying to show this, but unfortunately I can't seem to get this message across. Once again, If I use the same logic used by you and others in SAPP or have some form of relationship with SAPP, then Ack Ack's comments are from everyone in that organization, and I object being referred to as "dung."
I can then only assume that SAPP think and refer to me as "dung"." I find that disappointing and unreasonable.
No one referred to you as dung. They may have referred to a group you associate with as dung. There is a difference, and it is a distinct difference.
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I'm not trying to tap dance, I'm trying to reason. I'm reasoning to show that using a term to describe the whole is wrong. I haven't anywhere, anytime said or written anything about a separate issue that you don't like. I haven't on any occasion said or written anything about the alleged involvement of members/ex members in that issue you are referring too. I haven't on any occasion said or written anything in anyway, that mentions being comfortable with anything. My responses have been aimed at what is being said about an individual (me) on a group basis. Two separate issues and there is no linkage, none whatsoever between the two. My argument is in trying to show this, but unfortunately I can't seem to get this message across. Once again, If I use the same logic used by you and others in SAPP or have some form of relationship with SAPP, then Ack Ack's comments are from everyone in that organization, and I object being referred to as "dung."
I can then only assume that SAPP think and refer to me as "dung"." I find that disappointing and unreasonable.
And I note you did not answer again. I started this thread to thank folks for a good night of air combat. The JG54 guys with the SAPP logos in thier sigs then pop in, clearly looking for a reaction.
This thread had nothing to do with them So my question still remains. Are you ok with guys from JG54 misrepresenting themselves that way?
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No one referred to you as dung. They may have referred to a group you associate with as dung. There is a difference, and it is a distinct difference.
OK Let me try this for the last and final time.
Here's an example of what I'm trying to get over.Lets use a military scenario as it'll probably be easier to relate to.
Young Private, officer etc walks into a new base, Somebody shouts out: "Hey I see from your patch that your from the fighting AH division, that's the bravest fighting unit in the world, let me buy you a beer as It's not often I get the chance to buy a brave person a beer"
Do you see the error in the persons thinking? The person accepts the common belief that because "AH division" is the bravest in the country and this private is from the "fighting AH division" and for the "AH" to perform bravely then the private must be brave. The characteristic of being brave is attributed to the part simply because it's membership of the whole This shows that the "somebody" would expect the same of any-and- therefore all-of the parts It's faulty because it's not necessary for every soldier to have acted bravely in order to justify the unit's label of "Bravest"
Hope this helps.
Tunes.
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This is true. I dont mean this in any way about JG54 or anyone in particular but the analogy is true.
you know this from your 15 years of experience?
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OK Let me try this for the last and final time.
Here's an example of what I'm trying to get over.Lets use a military scenario as it'll probably be easier to relate to.
Young Private, officer etc walks into a new base, Somebody shouts out: "Hey I see from your patch that your from the fighting AH division, that's the bravest fighting unit in the world, let me buy you a beer as It's not often I get the chance to buy a brave person a beer"
Do you see the error in the persons thinking? The person accepts the common belief that because "AH division" is the bravest in the country and this private is from the "fighting AH division" and for the "AH" to perform bravely then the private must be brave. The characteristic of being brave is attributed to the part simply because it's membership of the whole This shows that the "somebody" would expect the same of any-and- therefore all-of the parts It's faulty because it's not necessary for every soldier to have acted bravely in order to justify the unit's label of "Bravest"
Hope this helps.
Tunes.
Answer the post above yours. The man who started SAPP has asked you repeatedly and politely for an answer about people you associate with and their actions. Do you see the error in your position? You demand an apology for a perceived affront to you, all the while ignoring and avoiding the issue of an insult made by your associates to incite a reaction. Your position is absurd and untenable. You expect to stand around on the corner with guys (pretty much wearing the exact same clothes, etc.) who are spitting on passers by, and not be called out by the people being spit on. It just doesn't work that way.
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Answer the post above yours. The man who started SAPP has asked you repeatedly and politely for an answer about people you associate with and their actions. Do you see the error in your position? You demand an apology for a perceived affront to you, all the while ignoring and avoiding the issue of an insult made by your associates to incite a reaction. Your position is absurd and untenable. You expect to stand around on the corner with guys (pretty much wearing the exact same clothes, etc.) who are spitting on passers by, and not be called out by the people being spit on. It just doesn't work that way.
I have already answered his question on page ten of this thread. I noticed that you never commented on my explanation RE: dung. Care to give me a clear and concise rebuttal if my logic is faulty? If it's faulty, could you be so kind as to point out the errors? If it's not faulty then I can assume that you would agree that I'm correct?
Why did you use my post as a quote and then not even answer any of it? I'm curious that's all.
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OK Let me try this for the last and final time.
Here's an example of what I'm trying to get over.Lets use a military scenario as it'll probably be easier to relate to.
Young Private, officer etc walks into a new base, Somebody shouts out: "Hey I see from your patch that your from the fighting AH division, that's the bravest fighting unit in the world, let me buy you a beer as It's not often I get the chance to buy a brave person a beer"
Do you see the error in the persons thinking? The person accepts the common belief that because "AH division" is the bravest in the country and this private is from the "fighting AH division" and for the "AH" to perform bravely then the private must be brave. The characteristic of being brave is attributed to the part simply because it's membership of the whole This shows that the "somebody" would expect the same of any-and- therefore all-of the parts It's faulty because it's not necessary for every soldier to have acted bravely in order to justify the unit's label of "Bravest"
Hope this helps.
Tunes.
dude.....i think we're all saying the same thing. we're all just seeing different sides of the same scenario.
what(i intrepret)guppy as asking.......is this.
he posted here trying to acknowledge fun fights. there were. over four hours of it.
two members of your squad come in, and deface this thread......basically hijack it. not only that, but they place the sapp logo in their sig lines, trying to represent themselves as sapp members.
by being associated with them through that squad.....it brings your character into judgement. again, this is not an attack on you.
try this analogy. you and your family are in the siad yard, enjoying a cook-out......swimming, good food, etc. the neighborhood bully runs into your yard, knos\cks over the grills, and throws it into the pool, then egresses with great haste.
he comes to my house, and i do nothing. i don't let you in to set him straight.....because i'm friends with him....now,........what would you think of me at that point?
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I have already answered his question on page ten of this thread. I noticed that you never commented on my explanation RE: dung. Care to give me a clear and concise rebuttal if my logic is faulty? If it's faulty, could you be so kind as to point out the errors? If it's not faulty then I can assume that you would agree that I'm correct?
Why did you use my post as a quote and then not even answer any of it? I'm curious that's all.
akak was not trying(i think) to insult you. he was using an analogy....a corse analogy, but an anology nonetheless.
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akak was not trying(i think) to insult you. he was using an analogy....a corse analogy, but an anology nonetheless.
If he knew what an analogy was, he would understand one when he sees it, since he doesn't, well, you can see the results.
ack-ack
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"by being associated with them through that squad.....it brings your character into judgement."
And that is faulty reasoning Cap, I have just shown that in my earlier explanation. RE:"AH division" Please, If my logic if faulty, if ack ack's comments were not a fallacy of division (my explanation) then I'd like to be shown that.
:salute
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I have already answered his question on page ten of this thread. I noticed that you never commented on my explanation RE: dung. Care to give me a clear and concise rebuttal if my logic is faulty? If it's faulty, could you be so kind as to point out the errors? If it's not faulty then I can assume that you would agree that I'm correct?
Why did you use my post as a quote and then not even answer any of it? I'm curious that's all.
Could you quote your answer from page 10 as I can't find it. You still haven't answered my question as far as I can tell.
I guess you'll need to dumb it down for me. Are you OK with the actions of your squaddies misrepresenting themselves as part of SAPP?
That would be a simple yes or no.
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Somebody has this in their signature block and I cannot remember who. However it seems fitting for this discussion.
Japanese Proverb
When the character of a man is not clear to you, look at his friends.
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If he knew what an analogy was, he would understand one when he sees it, since he doesn't, well, you can see the results.
ack-ack
If you knew what a fallacy of division represented then we wouldn't be having this discussion. If you knew how to reason we would not be having this discussion. I would suggest that you study argumentative analogies-there's two types, one has a premise/conclusion structure and the other has an explanatory function. You tend to try and argue from Ignorance-another fallacy, your position is proven by a lack of conclusive evidence against it. I have shown otherwise.
Regards
Tunes.
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I have already answered his question on page ten of this thread. I noticed that you never commented on my explanation RE: dung. Care to give me a clear and concise rebuttal if my logic is faulty? If it's faulty, could you be so kind as to point out the errors? If it's not faulty then I can assume that you would agree that I'm correct?
Why did you use my post as a quote and then not even answer any of it? I'm curious that's all.
Let me state this is plainly and clearly as possible, in simple English. If you associate with a group, ie, attend their gatherings, "fly their colors", etc, then by doing so you do condone and affirm their actions. It is a simple rule of civilized society, dating back to when the first humans began social interactions. That is where your logic is faulty, and where you are incorrect.
By associating with a group, willingly and voluntarily, you are saying "I like who these guys are, I like what they do, I like how they act, I want to be around them, I want to be part of their group, I want to be with them and I want to be like them." That is just plain common sense, and again, follows with a basic and long standing rule of human social interactions.
Your "debate skills", mentioning "fallacy of division", etc, do not make up for the fact that the basic premise of your argument is flawed beyond repair. It violates the basic and long standing rules of human socialization and interaction. So, once again, your position is ludicrous, untenable, and flawed.
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If you knew what a fallacy of division represented then we wouldn't be having this discussion. If you knew how to reason we would not be having this discussion. I would suggest that you study argumentative analogies-there's two types, one has a premise/conclusion structure and the other has an explanatory function. You tend to try and argue from Ignorance-another fallacy, your position is proven by a lack of conclusive evidence against it. I have shown otherwise.
Regards
Tunes.
I strongly suggest that rather than study on "how to debate", and "how to use terms of debate and argument" that you study the actual subject of the debate. For all of your verbose flourish, you are failing to grasp the main point of contention.
If you are missing the subject, here it is again, in plain English:
One of the basic laws of sociology states that humans tend to congregate in like groups, with very similar morals, morays, and values. They group themselves according to what they see as acceptable and desirable.
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I have already answered his question on page ten of this thread. I noticed that you never commented on my explanation RE: dung. Care to give me a clear and concise rebuttal if my logic is faulty? If it's faulty, could you be so kind as to point out the errors? If it's not faulty then I can assume that you would agree that I'm correct?
Why did you use my post as a quote and then not even answer any of it? I'm curious that's all.
You should be aware that the user settings for everyone are not the same. As an example, with my current settings, this thread doesn't have ten pages. Rather than stating "I answered his question on page ten", try either actually answering his question, or at least pointing on the number of the post in which you claim to have answered his question.
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:rolleyes:
Thank god I'm in neither squad! Or organization, or whatever.
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Let me state this is plainly and clearly as possible, in simple English. If you associate with a group, ie, attend their gatherings, "fly their colors", etc, then by doing so you do condone and affirm their actions. It is a simple rule of civilized society, dating back to when the first humans began social interactions. That is where your logic is faulty, and where you are incorrect.
By associating with a group, willingly and voluntarily, you are saying "I like who these guys are, I like what they do, I like how they act, I want to be around them, I want to be part of their group, I want to be with them and I want to be like them." That is just plain common sense, and again, follows with a basic and long standing rule of human social interactions.
Your "debate skills", mentioning "fallacy of division", etc, do not make up for the fact that the basic premise of your argument is flawed beyond repair. It violates the basic and long standing rules of human socialization and interaction. So, once again, your position is ludicrous, untenable, and flawed.
It is a simple rule of civilized society, dating back to when the first humans began social interactions. That is where your logic is faulty, and where you are incorrect.
could you point me to a site or book etc so I can read this?
Can you tell me what my basic premise was? and where it's faulty beyond repair?
Lets look at your argument:
Let me state this is plainly and clearly as possible, in simple English. If you associate with a group, ie, attend their gatherings, "fly their colors", etc(1), then by doing so you do condone and affirm their actions (2). It is a simple rule of civilized society, dating back to when the first humans began social interactions.(3) That is where your logic is faulty, and where you are incorrect.(4)
By associating with a group, willingly and voluntarily, you are saying "I like who these guys are, I like what they do, I like how they act, I want to be around them,(5) I want to be part of their group, I want to be with them and I want to be like them.(6)" That is just plain common sense, and again, follows with a basic and long standing rule of human social interactions.(7)
Your "debate skills", mentioning "fallacy of division", etc, do not make up for the fact that the basic premise of your argument is flawed beyond repair.(8) It violates the basic and long standing rules of human socialization and interaction.(9) So, once again, your position is ludicrous, untenable, and flawed.(10)
Conclusion: My position is ludicrous.
Argument yes/no yes
Premises1-9
Inductive strength-weak/invalid
Your conditional premise of: "If you associate with a group, ie, attend their gatherings, "fly their colors", etc(1), then by doing so you do condone and affirm their actions" does not in anyway, have a link to any of the non conditional premises. It's doesn't affirm the antecedent or deny the consequent to any of your non conditional premises.
In between these are attempts to ridicule and reduce to the absurd.
No offense intended in anyway, merely trying to reason with you in a dignified manner.
Regards
Tunes.
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"by being associated with them through that squad.....it brings your character into judgement."
And that is faulty reasoning Cap, I have just shown that in my earlier explanation. RE:"AH division" Please, If my logic if faulty, if ack ack's comments were not a fallacy of division (my explanation) then I'd like to be shown that.
:salute
i'm not saying that my reasoning isn't faulty......nor am i saying that it is right.
the unfortunate fact is, however, that, this is how we all, as human beings judge people. we base our judgements on their actions, their friends and acquintances, how they look, etc.
i run my own shop. i've had it for a year and a half now. i still can't afford to hire anyone. but i can assure you, the person i do hire will not be someone that looks like i did when i was 20. know why? people will see a 20 year old long haird freak(pretty much what i looked like back then) working in my bays. they will then judge me, and my shop based on that.
do i like that? hell no! do i think it's right? hell no!! but it IS the way things are.
here in our little online community, we only really have 2 of those options, and they're often inter-twined. we have those one associates with, and we have ones actions.
in this case........the people you choose to associate with. most probably the majority of your squad are really cool people. but there are 2 members of less than good value. they spend their time trying to instigate things. they do things they(and you) know is/are wrong. that's the people you associate with. the way that your actions are tied into this, is the fact that you accept their behaviour. you do this by continuing to associate with them.
so......since this is all we have at our disposal to get a "Read" on you, or to form an opinion, i'm sure that although you don't want to, you can see what we're all trying to say.
we may well be wrong in our reasoning. it's definitly not right that we reason this way, but it is the way things are.
again, this is not an attack on you, or the squad in general...and i'm not even trying to make you see things my/our way.....i'm merely trying to get you to see our side of this.
a guy that hangs out with alcholics, will most likely either become one, or is one
a guy that hangs with drug dealers, most likely either will deal them, or use them.
a guy that hangs with emt's will most likely do his best to help those in need.
now.....if i were in that squad before all of this happened.....i can assure you that i wouldn't be now...or at least not as long as the offending members were.
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Somebody has this in their signature block and I cannot remember who. However it seems fitting for this discussion.
Japanese Proverb
When the character of a man is not clear to you, look at his friends.
you just said more in that single sentence, than most of the rest of us have said in paragraph after paragraph/../......
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Let me state this is plainly and clearly as possible, in simple English. If you associate with a group, ie, attend their gatherings, "fly their colors", etc, then by doing so you do condone and affirm their actions. It is a simple rule of civilized society, dating back to when the first humans began social interactions. That is where your logic is faulty, and where you are incorrect.
By associating with a group, willingly and voluntarily, you are saying "I like who these guys are, I like what they do, I like how they act, I want to be around them, I want to be part of their group, I want to be with them and I want to be like them." That is just plain common sense, and again, follows with a basic and long standing rule of human social interactions.
Your "debate skills", mentioning "fallacy of division", etc, do not make up for the fact that the basic premise of your argument is flawed beyond repair. It violates the basic and long standing rules of human socialization and interaction. So, once again, your position is ludicrous, untenable, and flawed.
well said......
and chevies suck........ :noid :D :noid
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:rolleyes:
Thank god I'm in neither squad! Or organization, or whatever.
we can fix that for ya......... :noid
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It is a simple rule of civilized society, dating back to when the first humans began social interactions. That is where your logic is faulty, and where you are incorrect.
could you point me to a site or book etc so I can read this?
Can you tell me what my basic premise was? and where it's faulty beyond repair?
Lets look at your argument:
Let me state this is plainly and clearly as possible, in simple English. If you associate with a group, ie, attend their gatherings, "fly their colors", etc(1), then by doing so you do condone and affirm their actions (2). It is a simple rule of civilized society, dating back to when the first humans began social interactions.(3) That is where your logic is faulty, and where you are incorrect.(4)
By associating with a group, willingly and voluntarily, you are saying "I like who these guys are, I like what they do, I like how they act, I want to be around them,(5) I want to be part of their group, I want to be with them and I want to be like them.(6)" That is just plain common sense, and again, follows with a basic and long standing rule of human social interactions.(7)
Your "debate skills", mentioning "fallacy of division", etc, do not make up for the fact that the basic premise of your argument is flawed beyond repair.(8) It violates the basic and long standing rules of human socialization and interaction.(9) So, once again, your position is ludicrous, untenable, and flawed.(10)
Conclusion: My position is ludicrous.
Argument yes/no yes
Premises1-9
Inductive strength-weak/invalid
Your conditional premise of: "If you associate with a group, ie, attend their gatherings, "fly their colors", etc(1), then by doing so you do condone and affirm their actions" does not in anyway, have a link to any of the non conditional premises. It's doesn't affirm the antecedent or deny the consequent to any of your non conditional premises.
In between these are attempts to ridicule and reduce to the absurd.
No offense intended in anyway, merely trying to reason with you in a dignified manner.
Regards
Tunes.
a question for ya.
assume you live in the PRNJ. you drive past my shop, and i happen to have a bunch of rainbow flags flying on my building. there's a couple drag queens at the gas pumps.
what would you think/?
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I strongly suggest that rather than study on "how to debate", and "how to use terms of debate and argument" that you study the actual subject of the debate. For all of your verbose flourish, you are failing to grasp the main point of contention.
If you are missing the subject, here it is again, in plain English:
One of the basic laws of sociology states that humans tend to congregate in like groups, with very similar morals, morays, and values. They group themselves according to what they see as acceptable and desirable.
Are we debating? I was under the assumption that we are trying to reason with each other. I could provide lists and lists of reasoning laws, Philosophical laws and examples to the contrary. My point of contention is that I proved beyond doubt that ack acks comments were faulty and I want acknowledgment of that. Instead, I'm reading all manner of sidetracks and tangents. again, (and this has to be last post tonight guys), read my explanation and let me know where it's wrong.
Thank you all for keeping this dignified and reasonable, that means a lot to me .
Later guys.
Tunes.
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a question for ya.
assume you live in the PRNJ. you drive past my shop, and i happen to have a bunch of rainbow flags flying on my building. there's a couple drag queens at the gas pumps.
what would you think/?
I'd think I was driving past your shop that has rainbow flags flying with "drag queens" at the gas pumps.
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You guys seriously need to take a break :aok
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a question for ya.
assume you live in the PRNJ. you drive past my shop, and i happen to have a bunch of rainbow flags flying on my building. there's a couple drag queens at the gas pumps.
what would you think/?
This, gentlemen is .. a ... HOMOPHOBE :cry
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You guys seriously need to take a break :aok
must......................... ............................. .........................conv ince......................... ........................waywa rd........................... ............................. soul......................... .......of.................... ............error............ .................of.......... .................his......... ............................. .............ways............ ............................. ..must....................... .......... :noid :noid
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This, gentlemen is .. a ... HOMOPHOBE :cry
nope...not really.........not even close.........it was intended as an example of what i've been trying to convey.......
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must...............................................................................convince.................................................wayward........................................................soul................................of................................error.............................of...........................his...................................................ways...........................................must................................. :noid :noid
It's not hard, Heck I haven't played AH all month :)
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:rolleyes:
Thank god I'm in neither squad! Or organization, or whatever.
I was :noid
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It is a simple rule of civilized society, dating back to when the first humans began social interactions. That is where your logic is faulty, and where you are incorrect.
could you point me to a site or book etc so I can read this?
Can you tell me what my basic premise was? and where it's faulty beyond repair?
Lets look at your argument:
Let me state this is plainly and clearly as possible, in simple English. If you associate with a group, ie, attend their gatherings, "fly their colors", etc(1), then by doing so you do condone and affirm their actions (2). It is a simple rule of civilized society, dating back to when the first humans began social interactions.(3) That is where your logic is faulty, and where you are incorrect.(4)
By associating with a group, willingly and voluntarily, you are saying "I like who these guys are, I like what they do, I like how they act, I want to be around them,(5) I want to be part of their group, I want to be with them and I want to be like them.(6)" That is just plain common sense, and again, follows with a basic and long standing rule of human social interactions.(7)
Your "debate skills", mentioning "fallacy of division", etc, do not make up for the fact that the basic premise of your argument is flawed beyond repair.(8) It violates the basic and long standing rules of human socialization and interaction.(9) So, once again, your position is ludicrous, untenable, and flawed.(10)
Conclusion: My position is ludicrous.
Argument yes/no yes
Premises1-9
Inductive strength-weak/invalid
Your conditional premise of: "If you associate with a group, ie, attend their gatherings, "fly their colors", etc(1), then by doing so you do condone and affirm their actions" does not in anyway, have a link to any of the non conditional premises. It's doesn't affirm the antecedent or deny the consequent to any of your non conditional premises.
In between these are attempts to ridicule and reduce to the absurd.
No offense intended in anyway, merely trying to reason with you in a dignified manner.
Regards
Tunes.
Once again, you attempt to "win an argument" by "labeling strategies" rather than addressing the facts or the point of the argument.
You are not "attempting to reason", you are attempting to argue using rules for debate societies. Clue for you: no one cares about "rules for debate and discussion", and no one is scoring this on a point system either. You get no points, nor do you get your point, or rather your lack of a point, across, by attempting to "dazzle" us with your "fabulous debate skills".
No one is fooled by your "I can assign a label each individual sentence in your post" attempts to score points. All it proves is that you are unwilling to address the actual point, so you simply spin and divert.
And by the way, if you read basic high school sociology, you'll find that what I gave as a basic and fundamental law of human social interaction is taught in high school sociology, usually to freshmen who are about 14 years old. You may make whatever you like of your inability to grasp such a basic and simple concept. Now, admittedly that was about 35 years ago for me, but oddly enough, the teacher hated me, so I had to learn it well enough to score in the 90th percentile just to pass, so I retained some of the more basic points, and still remember them, despite my advancing age and redneck disposition.
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You guys can't make a 14 page thread and not get attention.
I stick by iTunes. Sometimes looking for group associations is necessary, and sometimes it isn't.
I do not think AH is a place where squad associations should be taken into account to judge ones character.
It's like saying because SAPP is pompous, then Shuffler and CAP1 must be pompous. Are you? :(
There can be many reasons for ones association. My association with 308 Polish Squadron is my ethnic background. Maybe tunes association with JG54 is similar. Maybe that's why his grammar should not be used to hint that a drive through is his best career prospect. I found that to be below the level I expected of the poster. :frown:
But.. all in all, who cares. :rolleyes: time to go to bed.. cheers everyone.
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nope...not really.........not even close.........it was intended as an example of what i've been trying to convey.......
Ahhhh must resist that reply button more next time.
That was a joke. Relax everyone!
Cheers :D
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Ahhhh must resist that reply button more next time.
That was a joke. Relax everyone!
Cheers :D
no problem.......
and i'm not pompus......but..........if the general membership of sapp were, then it would stand to reason, that i would, or could become that way from hanging with them.......
but they're not....we're a bunch of guys that simply like to have fun at no ones expense besides our own. :D
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And I note again Tunes that you failed to answer my question. Your non answer was an answer in itself. Your wall of text when asked a simple yes or no, tells me you are stuck and have no where else to go with this.
And do me a favor by not throwing another wall of text up in reply. All I wanted was a yes or no.
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Go SAPP! :salute
Join us and become a bright shining star!
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No one's character is in question here. Folks know what type person one is by the company he/she keeps.
No question about it.
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No one's character is in question here. Folks know what type person one is by the company he/she keeps.
No question about it.
Ditto
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No one's character is in question here. Folks know what type person one is by the company he/she keeps.
No question about it.
:huh
But you are basing an opinion on someones character by their associations?? That entire statement is hypocritical!
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:huh
But you are basing an opinion on someones character by their associations?? That entire statement is hypocritical!
do you have kids?
have you ever told em "i don't want you hanging around with that timmy character, he's bad news!"?
same thing.
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no, i dont have kids, so i cant relate, sorry.
All i know is i don't just judge people by who they hang with, but rather by individual actions. just because you have 1 or 2 buttheads in a group, doesnt mean the entire group is bad.
the SAPP's as a whole are probably a decent bunch of guys, albeit there might be a couple that i dont like. that being said, i would never say that the entire group is a bunch of dweebs. i would say that, minus a few individuals, they're a great bunch of guys. just my positive outlook on life.
its hard to judge people that can hide their personalities and attitudes behind a computer screen. seems to me the worst in people comes out when they dont have to be face to face. i see alot of things on here that would never be said in person. its a shame really....
Then again this is all beating a dead horse.
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no, i dont have kids, so i cant relate, sorry.
All i know is i don't just judge people by who they hang with, but rather by individual actions. just because you have 1 or 2 buttheads in a group, doesnt mean the entire group is bad. correct. individuals are judged by their actions. the "action" in this situation, is the fact that by allowing them to continue this behavior, thus embarrassing your squad, is condoning their behavior. thus, you guys are being judged by your actions.
the SAPP's as a whole are probably a decent bunch of guys, albeit there might be a couple that i dont like. that being said, i would never say that the entire group is a bunch of dweebs. i would say that, minus a few individuals, they're a great bunch of guys. just my positive outlook on life. i've yet to meet anyone in SAPP that is anything less than cordial, helpful, and fun. some of the SAPP guys have on more than one occasion, dropped what they were doing, to come train some of us.
its hard to judge people that can hide their personalities and attitudes behind a computer screen. seems to me the worst in people comes out when they dont have to be face to face. i see alot of things on here that would never be said in person. its a shame really....ya, i do agree with ya on this point. an FYI.....the stuff i say here, i would say to anyone sitting in the very same room as me. i don't have anything to hide, and nothing to gain by being an internet toughguy.
Then again this is all beating a dead horse.
my example with the kids i thought you'd get. so many parents don't want their kids to hang with certain other kids. why? because they'll get a bad rep. or worse yet, they most probably will become like those kids.
again, this thread was started by guppy, to thank fellow SAPP;rs for showing up, and thanking the people that fought us all for good fights.,
then 2 of your squaddies come on here, and hijack it, try to associate themselves with us, and act as they do in the arenas.
i can't understand how you can't get this. you and tunes seem pretty reasonable.......unless you two are putting up one of those "fake" internet personalities.
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There are kids that are stuck living in bad neighbor hoods.And because people that think like most of whats been written here.They never get the chance to better them self's.Why because people like most of you guys the why you think.There from the bad side of town so that means there bad too.And never get the chance.And yes i have 2 kids in there 30s now and they been labeled for the same reason.And there doing just fine and i have 3 great grandkids and love them all
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There are kids that are stuck living in bad neighbor hoods.And because people that think like most of whats been written here.They never get the chance to better them self's.Why because people like most of you guys the why you think.There from the bad side of town so that means there bad too.And never get the chance.And yes i have 2 kids in there 30s now and they been labeled for the same reason.And there doing just fine and i have 3 great grandkids and love them all
dude......2 things.......
1) you're not even involved in this
2) you're so far off on what i was saying, it's somewhat scary......so i'll clarify it.
you're raising your kids. there's 5 other families in the same neighborhood. the problem, is that bob's kid is a little devil. he's ALWAYS in some kind of trouble. he eggs the neighborhood houses, he knifes tires, he treats other people generally like poop.
last week, bills kid started hanging with bobs kid. the last day or two, he's been acting a little like an arse too.
now, you see this. what would be your normal reaction?
look, son, i know you think those guys are your friends, but they're not. they're trouble. i don't want you hanging with them.
does that clarify it for ya? this type of thinking is not the cause of bad neighborhoods. the people that live in those neighborhoods is the result of them accepting the actions of those that make those neighborhoods bad.
another example.
there's a local lawyer. he is the absolute NICEST guy i've ever met, or heard of. he was born and raised in camdne nj. i think you've heard of camden.....most people have. it's a poophole. yet, this guy, born and raised there, chose to not hang with the bad apples, that are keeping that city down. he put himself through school.
he now makes great money as a lawyer. enough, that he collects warbirds now. and you'd never know he was a lawyer to meet him, as he is very humble.
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First of all this is an open forum. If you wanted it to be Private you shoulda kept it to yourselves.you guys have 6 pages repeating the same thing.And for someone that has no kids to think its so easy it would be a perfect world .It's not easy as Timmy don't do that.So just let it go .OK SAPP is great. sheeech you have to be tired by now being there blow up doll
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I've seen some dense folks, but wow.
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First of all this is an open forum. If you wanted it to be Private you shoulda kept it to yourselves.you guys have 6 pages repeating the same thing.And for someone that has no kids to think its so easy it would be a perfect world .It's not easy as Timmy don't do that.So just let it go .OK SAPP is great. sheeech you have to be tired by now being there blow up doll
i raised my step daughter from when she was 6 months old till she was 9. my ex wife didn't want my help after we seperated.
so, ya....i DO have a clue. :aok
i also have 14 kids for a couple hours a night 1 night a week.
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wow, sounds like a handful!
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wow, sounds like a handful!
CAP= Civil air Patrol. we have cadets. when i go to the meetings, as far as i'm concerned, those cadets are MY kids for that time. they're my responsibility, and i tend to take that seriously. :aok
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And I note again Tunes that you failed to answer my question. Your non answer was an answer in itself. Your wall of text when asked a simple yes or no, tells me you are stuck and have no where else to go with this.
And do me a favor by not throwing another wall of text up in reply. All I wanted was a yes or no.
This question has nothing to do with me, I'll answer it when I get an answer from you and the rest os SAAP regarding Ack Ack's comments- it's really that simple. I'm not going to bother repeating myself what they were or how they are wrong. Lets deal with the issue why I'm posting on this thread.
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Once again, you attempt to "win an argument" by "labeling strategies" rather than addressing the facts or the point of the argument.
You are not "attempting to reason", you are attempting to argue using rules for debate societies. Clue for you: no one cares about "rules for debate and discussion", and no one is scoring this on a point system either. You get no points, nor do you get your point, or rather your lack of a point, across, by attempting to "dazzle" us with your "fabulous debate skills".
No one is fooled by your "I can assign a label each individual sentence in your post" attempts to score points. All it proves is that you are unwilling to address the actual point, so you simply spin and divert.
And by the way, if you read basic high school sociology, you'll find that what I gave as a basic and fundamental law of human social interaction is taught in high school sociology, usually to freshmen who are about 14 years old. You may make whatever you like of your inability to grasp such a basic and simple concept. Now, admittedly that was about 35 years ago for me, but oddly enough, the teacher hated me, so I had to learn it well enough to score in the 90th percentile just to pass, so I retained some of the more basic points, and still remember them, despite my advancing age and redneck disposition.
Yeah man your right, Just like the other dude said ya know, I just try and make stuff up like ya know? I'm just a dish cleaner that cleans them for rich folks in big houses, I really like it and sometimes they let me clean the dishes in the big sink, but not for a while cos Pedro put so much soap in the sink overflowed and stuff. they even let me clean the floors too, i i like that cos sometimes theres these bits of paper right and they have these longs words on them and iput them inn my pocket cos one day i'm gonna be good at saying these big words and maybe get me a job like cleaning cars and stuff, then i get home and put all the words together and then make em look good, cos guess right? i'm gonna go to aces high message boards and put em all together and i feel good about myself and then i'll look good too!! great idea uh? then i'll log on to the arenas and grab a mustang cos they're fast right and then i'll shoot lots of people down and walk down the street to my buddys house and tell him too, that will be cool.
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If you come from the bad side of town OR the good side and hang out with rotten apples your destined to be a rotten apple.
To associate with rotten apples is a character weakness which can spread like a cancer.
Everyone is free to make their own call on the subject and live with the consequences.
I choose to distance myself from the rotten apples.
BTW rotten oranges are no different! :D
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<------ owns 15 page threads! :aok
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you know this from your 15 years of experience?
First off, I will say this again just so their is no confusion. The statement I made had nothing to do with or about JG54 just the analogy its self. Further more I have had many enjoyable fights with JG54.
However, the analogy is true. Their have been many examples of analogy's used in this thread, some more gracefull then others.
I know this from common sense, generally analogy's are accurate.
here's one for ya- On the corner of your street is where a gang hangs out. They all generally where the same red shirt to associate themselves with the gang. As you go by the street corner one day you see a man wearing a red shirt walking towards the street corner, but still about 100ft away from it. What can you assume about this man? Probably that he is in or associated with that gang. Mabey he's just passing by and by chances is wearing a red shirt, but what are the odds of that? (Hope I didnt lose ya in that and it made sense, I just made it up on the spot.)
Now here is a question for you Jeager- What does my age have to do with it?
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People wearing a badge, pretending to belong to a group.
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CAP= Civil air Patrol. we have cadets. when i go to the meetings, as far as i'm concerned, those cadets are MY kids for that time. they're my responsibility, and i tend to take that seriously. :aok
:rofl What do you teach the "cadets"?
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:rofl What do you teach the "cadets"?
ARE you asking me this question seriously, or are you just being yourself?
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No, I'm really asking.
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No, I'm really asking.
we teach them search and rescue. CAP does 90% of all inland search and rescue in this country. they learn how to track ELT signals. they learn survival, as on some missions they'll be out in forrests.
they learn responsibility. they learn respect. they learn about aerospace.
at our flight encampment a few weeks ago, 25 cadets solo'd, in cessna 172's. we had a glider encampment, but only a few cadets solo'd in the glider.
i've set up SAREX's for them. i have the full cooperation of the airport manager where my squadron is based. that's a 750 acre playground for us. we use "practice" elt's, and have some of our squad members act as the "injured" parties, so when they find us, they now have to continue, and treat our injuries, and get us to safety.
a mission i participated in as aircrew, we were looking for a downed helicopter. i flew on 2 sorties looking for it. it went down in dense forrest(yes, we have that here in nj), which was difficult to see into.
we thought we had it spotted, so we radioed back to mission base, and they dispached a groundteam to our location. that team was lead by a 15 year old cadet. he was in constant communication to us via radio, and did his job perfectly.
there is no organization in the us that is as good as us at search and rescue. none.
we do anti-drug missions, homeland security missions, we patrol the deleware bay for the coast guard.
i've had southstar fly in for them. i got a friend of mine that owns a helicopter flight school to donate an entire night of time in his flight simulator for our cadets. one of my cadets was just accepted into the coast guard....and she'll be flying dauphins soon.
check out the link. a lot of info in there.
http://www.gocivilairpatrol.com/html/index.htm
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Shuffler is why I chose to join my fellow SAPP pilots in supporting and flying only the Peee38 :salute :salute
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Let N7 and storchita keep posting. All they are doing is showing how correct we are about the members of JG54, in fact, their actions did far more to prove our point than our own words.
ack-ack
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SH73dVOTXEY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SH73dVOTXEY)
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See Rule #4
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Sounds to me you are a perfect fit for JG54.
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"Looks" to me that just helped you out there, go and modify your sentence and I"ll help you with bigger words.
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:lol
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hey tunes are you ready for a little roleplay on sunday?
You can be Manu The Few will be Burnley. :lol
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"Looks" to me that just helped you out there, go and modify your sentence and I"ll help you with bigger words.
My, my... aren't we a threatened one.
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Na, working mate, got a new gig with a hotel chain to be director of marketing and business development, only change in my schedle will be for United games
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See Rule #2
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See Rules #2, #4
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Bug- the cat run up the hill, see? Subject and a verb, let's move onto helping verbs! Let's say I write ' hey tunes, (notice the subject before the word group) you are and idiot!! What's missing from my sentence? Now o know you can construct a sentence so what's missing from mine?
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If you need help in constructing a sebtebce bug, remember that a sentence must cointain a subject and a verb! Write a few lines out for practice and I'll help you.
Proper spelling helps too. :lol
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Your right el shifto! Kinda hard when your chatting up three birds at the same time in a club! Blackberrys don"t really cut it wjen I'm trying to multi-task lol
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Your right el shifto! Kinda hard when your chatting up three birds at the same time in a club! Blackberrys don"t really cut it wjen I'm trying to multi-task lol
What club in the UK is open this time of the morning? If I was chatting up three birds I'd forget all about the AH BBs. ;)
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I am lving in frico mow. In Bimbos on columbus
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I am lving in frico mow.
Do you mean Frisco? If so make sure the birds have a nest and not a branch. :aok
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Lol! Trying mate not as easy as other places, fellow brits will like this one,flight got diverted from stanley in the falklands, we all got off at Montevideo in Uruguay, british consul telling us to stay low etc, kind of hard when you have a bunch of us carrying assault rifles in a four star hotel lol, we get out, jump in a club and there's a bunch with big you know what's etc. Next thing,
Rhys (one of my best friends) starts trying to do one and all hell broke loose. Bunch of trannys passing off as chicks in other words
Where did Bug go? Thought he was going to give us some of his thoughtful insight, Guy can't even construct a sentence and he takes off like snow of a dike (dike being a big wall that the dutch built) C'mon back Bug, I want to help you in making a sentence.
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Shooting for good cop. Bad cop here,
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<--Still waiting on an answer.
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<--Still waiting on an answer.
Don't bother Stodd, it seems he is the master of spin.... as well as the english language :rolleyes: Simple questions are to far below him. Although the "I'll answer your question AFTER you answer my question" stand seems kind of childish to me.
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<--Still waiting on an answer.
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Shooting for good cop. Bad cop here,
Hardly, I'm just a nice guy when I've been drinking and found your arrogance and ignorance amusing.
Your rambling responses answered nothing other than your overblown opinion of yourself. The bare truth behind this whole episode is two of your squadmates are being Richards and there's no defense for it. You are judged by the company you keep like it or not. You said you proved everything you wanted to. Your self important insults of others while blindly ignoring your squadmate's contributions in turning this thread into a purse fight prove you're right where you belong squad-wise. :aok
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Hardly, I'm just a nice guy when I've been drinking and found your arrogance and ignorance amusing.
Your rambling responses answered nothing other than your overblown opinion of yourself. The bare truth behind this whole episode is two of your squadmates are being Richards and there's no defense for it. You are judged by the company you keep like it or not. You said you proved everything you wanted to. Your self important insults of others while blindly ignoring your squadmate's contributions in turning this thread into a purse fight prove you're right where you belong squad-wise. :aok
Best post of the thread. This should be a sticky.
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When someone stoops to correcting grammar in an online forum, it's generally a sign that they have lost the argument.
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Me<-----Enjoys reading limeys making fools of themselves by talking out of their foreskin...
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I look forward to the continued promotion of SAPP as the bestest group of peelots flying peeee38's in the arena, I know I'm trying my best! :salute
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I look forward to the continued promotion of SAPP as the bestest group of peelots flying peeee38's in the arena, I know I'm trying my best! :salute
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Hardly, I'm just a nice guy when I've been drinking and found your arrogance and ignorance amusing.
Your rambling responses answered nothing other than your overblown opinion of yourself. The bare truth behind this whole episode is two of your squadmates are being Richards and there's no defense for it. You are judged by the company you keep like it or not. You said you proved everything you wanted to. Your self important insults of others while blindly ignoring your squadmate's contributions in turning this thread into a purse fight prove you're right where you belong squad-wise. :aok
Hello old friend. :D
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Hello old friend. :D
Howdy Slash.
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amazing
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amazing
Why thank you. Feel free to use it to save yourself some typing in any further post you make. It's amazing how you get little battles like this started with duel challenges you have no intention of flying in than back out leaving the real fighting to your squadmates. All while you claim to be doing positive things for the AVA. The way you get everybody excited and then disappear from the scene is remarkable. I think you're doing yourself a disservice with the title Propaganda Minister. Actually you're more of a Fluffer.
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The way you get everybody excited and then disappear from the scene is remarkable.
That sounds kinda familiar doesn't it shifty.
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That sounds kinda familiar doesn't it shifty.
Oh look Fluffy's been at work on Sunday!
I trust you left him a good tip. :aok
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Why thank you. Feel free to use it to save yourself some typing in any further post you make. It's amazing how you get little battles like this started with duel challenges you have no intention of flying in than back out leaving the real fighting to your squadmates. All while you claim to be doing positive things for the AVA. The way you get everybody excited and then disappear from the scene is remarkable. I think you're doing yourself a disservice with the title Propaganda Minister. Actually you're more of a Fluffer.
I'm sure i have no clue about what you're talking about. Maybe you would like to enlighten me?
Your "mightier then thou" attitude is typical of most of the people that have responded to this thread. You come out of no where, just to post your dislike of us?
I always thought more of you then that, guess i was wrong. At this point I'll have to agree with LTCap1, You hang with and act like all that others that are prima dona's, then you too must be one.
As for me and the AVA, What have you done lately?? If you refer to last wednesday night, the arena was fried, and no one could fight. I'm sorry to see the worst in you coming out. i thought more of you then that! It's a shame really. I've always had alot of respect for you. Guess i was wrong.
As for our duel, we're scheduled to have it in 20 minutes. We're planning on being there. Most of us anyway!
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I'm sure i have no clue
You could have stopped right there and made more sense. ;)
Don't play the poor mistreated JG-54 card with me. You guys know exactly what you're doing and you revel in it.
If you don't like your reputation do something about or at the very least take the treatment you dishout like a man when it comes back your way.
Seriously this poor lil innocent me stunt you pull is the funniest part of your act. :lol
Your "mightier then thou" attitude is typical of most of the people that have responded to this thread.
You know exactly why this thread is happening. Because you and your squadmates love to instigate. The proof is in the the SAPP logos two of you guys are sporting. My attitude is typical of any person fed up with trouble making goons. Now off to your little Green BBS to get the council of your masters fluffy.
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Oh so the logos have you in a tear?? :cry The logo's in a game?? hehehe I'm sorry to hear that! Then again this isnt a military operation, now is it?!
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I'm sorry
Once again you added way more than you needed.
No the SAPP Logos don't bug me at all. It was used as an example.
In fact I'm not upset about anything, I'm just here to give you the attention you crave Fluffy. Because you're special to me. :P
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If you people would just let it go, I'm sure the logo's will go with it. Unfortunately you just want to keep on going so, have at it!
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If you people would just let it go, I'm sure the logo's will go with it. Unfortunately you just want to keep on going so, have at it!
actually, you could;ve proven your point, and been the bigger man, and ignore.
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with your reply, i just did!
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If you people would just let it go, I'm sure the logo's will go with it. Unfortunately you just want to keep on going so, have at it!
You're reading comprehension is as weak as your poor lil JG-54 post. I just told you I have no problem with the logos. I plan of having at it as long as you keep posting.
By the way... Why no girlie lil hehehehe like you put in so many of your post? I really like those you're not as cute when you try to butch up... :frown:
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I plan of having at it as long as you keep posting.
ditto Johny!
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ditto Johny!
My how forcefull. Are you getting annoyed Fluffy? Tell me again all the wonderful things you do for the community that will make you feel better.
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If you people would just let it go, I'm sure the logo's will go with it. Unfortunately you just want to keep on going so, have at it!
Yeah, if people would just do what makes you guys happy. What are they thinking?
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Wow, I have missed a lot in a month haven't I?
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Wow, I have missed a lot in a month haven't I?
Not really.
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Wow, I have missed a lot in a month haven't I?
LMAO same ole, same ole
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Who is "fluffy" and why haven't I seen him post? :confused: <--clueless as always.
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Just keep on plugging away shifty. it suits you.
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Just keep on plugging away shifty. it suits you.
As receiving it suits you?
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whatever works!
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here ya go snappy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxaBmNoIc10
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:rofl
very good!
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whatever works!
So it's working for you? Good.
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Thanks, i appreciate that!
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Not really.
LMAO same ole, same ole
Kinda figured that. Part of the reason I haven't flown all month :aok
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Well you should up a peeee38 with us SAPP peelots! :salute
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Well you should up a peeee38 with us SAPP peelots! :salute
Yes join SAPP like the gentleman above. You'll receive an official membership card in the mail like this.
(http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc42/Johnvan52/Storch_pic1.png?t=1251077667)
As you can see looks are not a issue of membership.
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Yes join SAPP like the gentleman above. You'll receive an official membership card in the mail like this.
(http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc42/Johnvan52/Storch_pic1.png?t=1251077667)
As you can see looks are not a issue of membership.
Bwahahhhahaha
Don't leave home without it.
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<---- gives Shifty a clue. Anti-vortex Isn't Storch!
shifty is storch, i mean, look at the remarks! just like something storch would say. look at his gameplay, just like storch. yup I'd say shifty=storch!
if it looks like a storch, and talks like a storch, it must be storch.
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<---- gives Shifty a clue. Anti-vortex Isn't Storch!
shifty is storch, i mean, look at the remarks! just like something storch would say. look at his gameplay, just like storch. yup I'd say shifty=storch!
if it looks like a storch, and talks like a storch, it must be storch.
Does this mean shifty will ask the powers that be to remove him from this bbs?
Kinda like how storch did at another bbs. :rofl :rofl
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<---- gives Shifty a clue. Anti-vortex Isn't Storch!
shifty is storch, i mean, look at the remarks! just like something storch would say. look at his gameplay, just like storch. yup I'd say shifty=storch!
if it looks like a storch, and talks like a storch, it must be storch.
That's right Jaeger continue to deny what everyone knows. Do your master's bidding and lie like a good lil lap dog.
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What happened to Storch being osceola?
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What happened to Storch being osceola?
Storch is osceola is antivortex... you still slow on the uptake. ;)
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I've been absent for a few weeks....other than that I really don't care about crybaby shades :)
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no no no, now storch is shifty. Look at the words he uses, words like weak, timid, that sort of thing. Just like him. Must be him!
i shall now call him storch!
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no no no, now storch is shifty. Look at the words he uses, words like weak, timid, that sort of thing. Just like him. Must be him!
i shall now call him storch!
LOL not once in this thread have I used the words weak or timid, but you just did Storch Junior.
Call me whatever you wish Fluffy if it makes you feel better. I know you've had a bad day. :aok
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I feel like I've gone back to my elementary days in the playground watching little kids argue...
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I feel like I've gone back to my elementary days in the playground watching little kids argue...
Give me your milk money!
ohh 300!!
THIS IS SPARTA!!!!
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Give me your milk money!
Heck....I'm from the South....I had beer money :aok
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eBJNKwrTRA&feature=PlayList&p=AA8E86285070F1D8&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=7
:rofl
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Heck....I'm from the South....I had beer money :aok
Meh Tennessee isnt really south. Its kinda like the state stuck in the middle. :)
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Meh Tennessee isnt really south. Its kinda like the state stuck in the middle. :)
It's below the Mason-Dixon :P
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Meh. State in the middle that no one wants to pick when playing dodgeball. I mean hell its right next to NORTH Carolina. ;)
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Yes join SAPP like the gentleman above. You'll receive an official membership card in the mail like this.
(http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc42/Johnvan52/Storch_pic1.png?t=1251077667)
As you can see looks are not a issue of membership.
LOL, Storchita's pic. :rofl
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And it's been saved on someones pc all these years? :uhoh