It's Like the Hydra

[x0847Marine]

Originally posted by lazs2
now you are getting the point tigress..  xmarine does not.

They are not going to go away and they will get WMD's that everyone is upset bush didn't find...

We will have to face them at some point.. it is like the cold war... the commies really wanted to enslave the planet.   we had to fight them.. sometimes.. not at the best time or place.

we are doing better with the islamofacists.. we are doing it relatively without pain to us.. how much pain is it causing you?  the soldiers are volunteers..  very few are dying.   the cost is not that bad..  the money would have been pissed away on social programs that hurt our freedom anyway.

I just don't see how we can do anything else?   can we wait for more and more of em to live in the 9th century with 21st century weapons?

lazs

We wont have to "deal" with anyone we make friends with, they hate "us" because of our leaders foreign policies... policies that have proven to generate hate and discontent. Read just about any poll that asks "them" why the hate "us".

Why don't the islamofacists hate the Swiss, French, Mexicans or Cubans? because they're not over in the mid east causing death, disease and destruction maybe?

Mexico hasn't overthrown a democratically elected govt, fomented proxy wars or helped one country use "WMDs" against another, and surprise surprise.. there's no jihad on them. Imagine that.

Changing flawed policies is easier and smarter than going to war.

[john9001]

Originally posted by x0847Marine
Mexico hasn't overthrown a democratically elected govt, fomented proxy wars or helped one country use "WMDs" against another, and surprise surprise.. there's no jihad on them. Imagine that.

not yet.

[Arlo]

Originally posted by john9001
actually according to the white house tapes nixon knew nothing about the break in and wanted to ' tell all', it was his advisor john dean that convinced nixon to "stonewall", of course when dean was called before congress he sung like a birdy and blamed it all on nixon.

i read the transcript of the white house tapes.

How much of them? Did the ADD kick in before you got to ....

http://www.cnn.com/US/9611/18/nixon.tapes.final/index.html ... ?

[Arlo]

Originally posted by john9001
not yet.

Not until they make their presense known in the M.E. and manipulate commerce and government, eh?

[john9001]

arlo , really likes me:D

[Arlo]

Originally posted by john9001
arlo , really likes me:D

You're my favorite VI.

[RedTop]

Originally posted by x0847Marine
As long as US foreign policy meddles in their (mid east) business with negative consequences, it's obvious those who don't like the results (aka scary "terrorists") will desire pay-back.. as they have been for years and years.

Before 9/11....other than Kuwait , where exactly was the U.S. meddling? I mean we are talking about the Iraq war here. When was the last time the U.S. blew up a market place in the middle east? Before 9/11 and leaving Kuwait out , when was the last U.S. terroist attack on a middle eastern country? Car bombs , Airline Hijacking , blowing up ships in port , blowing up emabasseys , blowing up bombs in some LARGE hotel in the middle east.

These people are getting tired of foreign govts interference, they've been dealing with it for a long time. It seems every now and then some egomaniacal psychopath "leader" who thinks he has the military to do anything he wants, sets his sights on Iraq..  

Egomanical leader? Saddam was oh so sane. Osama , man there is a picture of a well rounded leader. Ahmadinajahd , the aboslute best of them all. Oh , Kim Jong "Im" Il. One of the Fab 5 I guess. Clinton , now THERE Is a man who is tough on terrorists. Egomaniacal you say? Every leader has an ego. But to think Bush can run with some of these guys in the maniacal range , to me , is a stretch.
 
Who said this?: (hint the year was 1941, the plan: regime change in Baghdad) "The Arabian Freedom Movement in the Middle East is our natural ally... In this connection special importance is attached to the liberation of Iraq.." Answer here
Hmmm....one of those oh so great leaders I suppose...let me see...Hitler?


Oh yea, the old, literally, "democracy" in the mid east plan again... but I'm sure it will work this time. Different "leader", same designs.. or as some might say "same she-it, different year"

Why not just buy their oil and leave them alone?

We did. Until someone went and invaded another country and we helped out. The the country that lost stood there like morons when all they had to do was comply with the U.N.. That thing you prolly like alot but really is just like Pelosi and Reid and the rest of the Dems. Alot of hot air and very lil substance.

Do we teach our kids to overthrow families and install puppet parents when another kid works against our kids interests? (Op Ajax) Do we tell little Johhny it's OK for him to manipulate kids into fighting, then to sell them both the arms they need to better kill each other? (Iran / Contra)... if my kid acted this way at school, he'd be considered a little A-hole... but I'd just tell him those angry kids were "terrorist" brats who hated his freedom.

This whole scene above^ is beyond me....This is real life. Not some make believe kiddy tale.

Answers to Iraq? Beats me....I'm not in the white house. Answers to the middle east? No idea I'm not in the white house or see intell as they do. One thing is for certain tho , Dems and Repubs alike voted FOR this war. They all read the same papers and were called to vote to send the kids in harms way. Now that things aren't going as well as some want it to...the crawfish and lie. They decieve and tell us what they really meant then instead of what they REALLY DID.

We're F'ed no matter WHAT we do. But I for one , as a veteran want to see these troops achieve wat they were sent to do and those that sent them there make sure they have everything in thier means to do so. No more waffelig and panty wasteing BS from some far left .org that's full of people who will sell the farm when the get power.

Either way.....We're F'ed and before long IMHO will be dodging radioactive crap from our home land someplace that WAS a city until a big ole mushroom cloud appeared one day.
 

[Arlo]

Originally posted by RedTop

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-colonialism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_Petroleum_Company

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neocolonialism

[Laurie]

Originally posted by Tigeress


Bush has been dictating to our allies... and it's upsetting the status quo a great deal, imo.

The US didn't do that in WWII. The Muslim extremists are empowered by it, imo.

The art of politics is really the art of negotiation and compromise, isn't it?

I have seldom seen such strong armed international tactics as has been used since 911 and it's distancing the USA from her friends, imo.

Understand, I am not a socialist by any means...

When I said I am disappointed and it's time for a correction in the political balance of power in the US, it's because I expected better than this from Geo. W. Bush & Co.

I am a Moderate and I voted for him, twice... the country had gone too far to the left, imo.

Father knows best only when Father knows best...

After the last 16 years... I am beginning to think a single 5 year presidential term might fix this problem.

...and term limits on congress.

We are not fighting a country, imo... we are defensively fighting a Religion... Islam, which is still in the Middle Ages.

In my opinion, that isn't fixed with bullets... that just strengthens Islamic Extremists' power.

It's like the Hydra. Cut off one snake head and two grow back to replace it.
IMO, they want us to shoot them for just that reason.

It galvanizes their support amongst the world's population of Islamists the numbers of which are estimated to be between One Billion and One Billion Eight Hundred Million... WORLD WIDE.

Thus, their power to hurt us grows bigger by the day.




I think we are getting suckered in and falling back on WWII tactics and strategies to deal with it and it's backfiring.
It's a solution that only deals with symptoms and not the root problem.

In my opinion, Geo. W. Bush & Co has been playing right into Islamic Extremists' hands and has been trying to force our international friends to go along with him thus forcing our Allies to play into their hands as well.

Our Allies, appear to me, to be backing off from us because it isn't working.

What do you think?

TIGERESS

Yeh you can say all that but you must consider this- the Qu'ran wasnt written after the invasion of Iraq or 9/11,
it was written about 1400 yrs ago (i believ, dont quote me on it, i take little interest in the book), yes 600 AD not '600 C.E.' or wateva they want us to frikin call it.

This hatred from Islam is not a new thing, nor has bush funadmentally caused it, he just highlighted the problem. I actually admire G.W.Bush, at least the guy has some damn conviction  and guts in him, whoever it would be that tried to take on this ugly problem, which bush has. Was and is effectively still the reminance and desperate re-kindling of a holy-war---well at least from the Ayatollahs' point of view.

you really ought to read up on the crusades and you'llsee why,

1) Islam hates Europe and the west
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2) Why Islamic extremists must be stopped, with a full stop.

[Laurie]

Originally posted by Tigeress
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In my opinion, that isn't fixed with bullets... that just strengthens Islamic Extremists' power.


Iwell.

Our Allies, appear to me, to be backing off from us because it isn't working.

What do you think?

TIGERESS

firstly how can tan extremist or the whole Golly-geen lot of them become strenthened if all of them have bullets in thier brains and heart courtesy of an M16?

and secondlu

I am a proud young british guy, and by no means am I backing away form the U.S., i feel closer than ever to it. I think the 'American Way' is superb and a damn sight nearer how country used to, and should, be like. wether our left wing governemnt under the rule of comrade brown feels the saem---- im not so sure, i think his gaze lies driectly at brussells.... sadly .

[Tigeress]

Originally posted by Laurie
firstly how can tan extremist or the whole Golly-geen lot of them become strenthened if all of them have bullets in thier brains and heart courtesy of an M16?

and secondlu

I am a proud young british guy, and by no means am I backing away form the U.S., i feel closer than ever to it. I think the 'American Way' is superb and a damn sight nearer how country used to, and should, be like. wether our left wing governemnt under the rule of comrade brown feels the saem---- im not so sure, i think his gaze lies driectly at brussells.... sadly .

Nice to meet you Laurie and thank you for your service.

TIGERESS

[RedTop]

Originally posted by Arlo
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-colonialism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_Petroleum_Company

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neocolonialism

Wow....I said all that?


Bascially Im done with this....

Noone here has a clue what to do about Iraq...or this screwed up country we live in. No ideas..nothing

Just blame games and name calling.

[Arlo]

Originally posted by Laurie
you really ought to read up on the crusades and you'llsee why,

1) Islam hates Europe and the West
+
2) Why Islamic extremists must be stopped, with a full stop.

*sigh* Another one.

No, Islam doesn't hate Europe and the West. Radical terrorist groups who claim Islam as their motivation do. An attempted hijacking of a religion who's followers, by and large, do not appreciate.

No, the crusades weren't about Islam hating the West. The crusades were about Christians fighting to reclaim the Holy lands and were about the Pope and Christian kings hating and fearing Islam. The crusades were a monumental failure and many of them devolved into to the inquisition and inter-Christian fights for power.

Yes, reading up on the crusades is a great idea.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusades

First line:

"The Crusades were a series of military conflicts of a religious character waged by much of Christian Europe during 1095–1291, most of which were sanctioned by the Pope in the name of Christendom."

Covers the meat right off the bat just in case the article's too long for some to finish.

[Arlo]

Originally posted by RedTop
Wow....I said all that?


Bascially Im done with this....

Noone here has a clue what to do about Iraq...or this screwed up country we live in. No ideas..nothing

Just blame games and name calling.

Was meant as some sources that explain where the person you thought was talking about the U.S. blowing up buildings in Iraq prior to 9/11 was really talking about. Not "you said that!" accusations.

Name/blame games? If you're thinking that's me and not most of the anti-muslims/liberals/democrats/war for war's sakers who play that then you're right ... there's no point, eh?

If you're done, I understand. No ill feelings your way, Red. I metcha and love ya like a fellow AH brother. No matter our differences on this to me.

[Neubob]

Originally posted by Arlo
blah blah blah who's followers blah blah blah, smiley smiley

The possessive form of who is 'whose'.  link

'Who's' is the contraction of 'who' and 'is'.

Ironic that an automaton such as yourself would make that mistake... Or is it paradoxical?

Oh yeah, and moderate Islam is still to blame for not cutting/denying essential financial and moral support to the radicals.