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Offline TEShaw

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Re: Make this table STOP BEATING MY HEAD ...Win7, CH controllers
« Reply #15 on: March 22, 2016, 04:41:22 PM »
My issue is not the reliability of the game controllers.

My issue is that the new computer won't boot when the controllers are plugged in.

Would having a powered hub somehow change this?

Once again, I defer to brighter men.

regards, T. E. Shaw
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Re: Make this table STOP BEATING MY HEAD ...Win7, CH controllers
« Reply #16 on: March 22, 2016, 04:52:32 PM »
I wouldn't know, T E.....

As has been posted already, it sounds like your computer's bios is set to check and see if it has a bootable USB device/flash drive/etc... there to boot up from....

Going into the bios and disabling this, might be the fix you are looking for....then again, my computers are set to boot from USB flash drives/sticks, and I've never seen this problem before.....

I recommend you check out the ch-hangar forums (ch products message boards)

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Re: Make this table STOP BEATING MY HEAD ...Win7, CH controllers
« Reply #17 on: March 22, 2016, 05:01:47 PM »
T E,

Once you have booted up your Win 7 os, without the controllers plugged in, did you try plugging the controllers in then once they all are recognized, try rebooting your computer?

Also, go into the power options and custom set your power settings for high performance, and make sure your USB port settings are set to be "always powered on", to where they don't go asleep if idle.... do this, before you plug your controllers in once you get your os booted up and running Ok...

Then try rebooting, with the controllers connected...see if it will boot up properly

Edit: also make sure you are plugging them into black USB port(1.0/2.0), and not blue USB port(3.0)...

Hope this helps

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Re: Make this table STOP BEATING MY HEAD ...Win7, CH controllers
« Reply #18 on: March 22, 2016, 05:14:55 PM »
TC,

Thanks for your input.

Yes, recognized and fail on reboot.

I will check your suggestions.

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Re: Make this table STOP BEATING MY HEAD ...Win7, CH controllers
« Reply #19 on: March 22, 2016, 05:15:57 PM »
If you have a system that has a big power supply then most likely you'll not need an external hub.  For example, on my old gaming machine with a 550w power supply I needed an external powered USB hub to make sure that my controllers got enough power as my power supply was taxed already by the hardware in my machine.  On my newer machine with a 1200w power supply (total overkill ^__^), I no longer need to use an external powered USB hub for my controllers and can plug them directly into my machine.
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Re: Make this table STOP BEATING MY HEAD ...Win7, CH controllers
« Reply #20 on: March 22, 2016, 05:23:08 PM »
Again,

this is not a problem of the CH controllers working.

They work great once the machine boots and I plug them in.

The issue is that the machine won't boot with the USB controllers plugged in.

I can't imagine that a powered hub would somehow change the booting issue.  But, if that's the issue, please tell me so.
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Re: Make this table STOP BEATING MY HEAD ...Win7, CH controllers
« Reply #21 on: March 22, 2016, 05:34:47 PM »
Makes sense to me that if you can duplicate the problem of "no boot if controllers are plugged in", there's something in the bios stopping it. FWIW my CH rig is plugged into a powered hub. I don't have boot problems with those. However, if I plug in one of my external drives and forget to eject it, I'll get a boot error next boot attempt. Oops! I just unplug it and reboot and I'm back in business. I actually have usb set as part of my boot sequence just in case I need it. Think the last time I was flashing the bios on my video card. The bios on my Asus mobo is super easy to deal with. Some aren't, but as long as you have the mobo manual it'll tell you how to navigate to the boot section. If you could do that much you could post back to tell us if that's the case.

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Re: Make this table STOP BEATING MY HEAD ...Win7, CH controllers
« Reply #22 on: March 22, 2016, 05:51:08 PM »
I think it would help if we could give him specific instructions. Would a DXDIAG show what motherboard he has?

EDIT: Looking at it off the laptop I'm using it looks like the System Model should be sufficient.

TEShaw, search for "dxdiag.exe" on your system and run it, then tell us what it says under System Model. Hopefully that should be enough for us to research how to get to and use the BIOS for you.
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Re: Make this table STOP BEATING MY HEAD ...Win7, CH controllers
« Reply #23 on: March 22, 2016, 05:54:20 PM »
I am afraid that the problem you are faced with is going to require changes to your BIOS, and may require multiple changes and experimentation. The USB powered hub is a good suggestion, but likely will not cure the problem completely if at all.

Before giving further advice I would like to know which MB you have. However, the advice concerning USB polling for boot devices at startup is probably the issue at hand. It could also be USB legacy settings, controller speed settings, and even ACPI/APIC settings.
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Re: Make this table STOP BEATING MY HEAD ...Win7, CH controllers
« Reply #24 on: March 22, 2016, 06:11:19 PM »
I had the exact same issue.

It was a configuration issue with the build of the machine and not something BIOS related.  i.e. when connecting the leads for the liquid cooling the guy that built the machine plugged x into y when he should have plugged it into z......that sort of thing.  I cannot remember exactly and I know it was specific to that motherboard.  A quick Google search helped.

I came across the problem when I first plugged all my stick - pedals etc.  I also used a powered hub (despite having a 1220w PSU) and the issue did not go away.

I know it is a pain BUT I will echo a couple of the comments here.  You have to test it to see if you can replicate the issue.  Be methodical

  • does it fail with just 1 of the controllers plugged in?
  • if yes, try that same controller in the different USB ports - does it still fail with just 1 controller?
  • Repeat the above with the other controllers - do you get the same results?
  • Try with a powered USB hub - do you get the same issues?

Or take it back to the guy you bought it from and ask him to test it.

Just out of curiosity - any of your controllers plugged into the front USB ports?  I have come across boot issues with that.
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Re: Make this table STOP BEATING MY HEAD ...Win7, CH controllers
« Reply #25 on: March 22, 2016, 06:34:56 PM »
Quote from: TEShaw on March 22, 2016, 04:41:22 PM
My issue is not the reliability of the game controllers.

My issue is that the new computer won't boot when the controllers are plugged in.

Would having a powered hub somehow change this?

Once again, I defer to brighter men.

regards, T. E. Shaw

just get the dang self-powered usb hub and get rid of the problem.  that is your problem btw.


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Re: Make this table STOP BEATING MY HEAD ...Win7, CH controllers
« Reply #26 on: March 22, 2016, 06:39:01 PM »
*facepalm*

Please don't frustrate him further. It might not be the problem, and changing a setting in the BIOS is cheaper than buying a hub and finding out it did nothing.
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Re: Make this table STOP BEATING MY HEAD ...Win7, CH controllers
« Reply #27 on: March 22, 2016, 06:55:51 PM »
Yeah, too many cooks in this kitchen. Good luck.
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Re: Make this table STOP BEATING MY HEAD ...Win7, CH controllers
« Reply #28 on: March 22, 2016, 07:02:42 PM »
I"ll be the price of the new usb self-powered that that is the problem.  I know because that's what happened to me when I had the ch controller.  I figured I had a high enough ps and mobo and I guessed wrong. 

I bought this one about 6 or 7 years ago, maybe less and still working

http://www.amazon.com/Belkin-High-Speed-Slim-Line-Stackable-F5U237V1/dp/B000ESN9GA


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Re: Make this table STOP BEATING MY HEAD ...Win7, CH controllers
« Reply #29 on: March 22, 2016, 07:16:08 PM »
Thanks.

I already own two powered USB hubs.  I was hoping not to use them anymore with the new computer and 10 USB ports.

This sounds [to my dumb ears] like a bios issue.

Why would a powered USB hub allow the system to boot when it didn't like the game controllers anyway?

I'm all ears.

Thanks for your ideas.
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