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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: shdo on August 19, 2011, 01:47:04 AM
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Yep it's true. vDALLAS is hiding CV's again.
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Say it ain't so! a vGuy hiding a CV group... What is this world coming to!?
:rofl
I don't see this thread living long tho. :D
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Yep it's true. vDALLAS is hiding CV's again.
Dont judge all the Vs after Dallas. Hes the ultimate number one ;)
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Dont judge all the Vs after Dallas. Hes the ultimate number one tool ;)
There, fixed.
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Yay!!! Another bully thread.
Be a man & deal with it in the game.
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Yay!!! Another bully thread.
Be a man & deal with it in the game.
Oh the irony of a vtard telling some to be a man :D
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Hiding CV's is for those who have a small male appendage.
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i admit i saw the cv hiding in the corner... but since i am an advocate for people to not hide cvs.. i dragged the cv back into action... i am appalled at this act... i and many others as rooks do not condone this form of action...
but as the saying goes... YOU GUYS STARTED IT FIRST! :neener:
i personally promise the AH community that if i do see a cv tucked away in rookland... i will drag it back into action...i sincerely hope you guys in other countries do the same...
:salute
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I saw only one example since the Devils Brigade joined Rooks, so..... I will put my 2 cents in. There was an area that I would like to have protected on the map. I noticed we had lost a port in the middle of that area and we had a CV poised to attack. A few rooks and I went at it and successfully retrieved the port. It was only after that I noticed we already had the fleet belonging to that port. The area where the cv was located was floating away from the main stream (sorry bad pun) of battle and truly would very unlikely see any battle.
From this observation alone:
1) This fleet was not needed for action and not placed in a far away corner, just outside of the main stream.
2) With the obvious fact that it's port had already been captured, while the fleet was inevitably a second line of offense to recapture it, the strategic location of the fleet worked to deny the invasion force a stronger foothole into Rook territory.
3) I saw nothing like the CV that was driving across dry land and hidden 10 sectors away from any enemy airfield in another map. Each case can be made for and against hiding Carrier fleets. In the above (#1 and #2) statements I vote for. In the more extreme case here #3, I vote hands down against.
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Yay!!! Another bully thread.
Be a man & deal with it in the game.
LOL kinda like augering an entire mission to avoid getting shot down by the planes that intercepted it?
Seems like its more of an "I can't believe these guys are working so hard to try and not deal with anything in game" thread.
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LOL kinda like augering an entire mission to avoid getting shot down by the planes that intercepted it?
Seems like its more of an "I can't believe these guys are working so hard to try and not deal with anything in game" thread.
:aok
Thank God for the DA.
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LOL kinda like augering an entire mission to avoid getting shot down by the planes that intercepted it?
Your kidding ... right ?
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Your kidding ... right ?
No, it's what they do. It's the new "win". I think we've reached the bottom.
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I thINk this thread is wINnINg
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No, it's what they do. It's the new "win". I think we've reached the bottom.
I have seen it. Oh and I do you mean "they've" reached bottom not "we've".
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LOL kinda like augering an entire mission to avoid getting shot down by the planes that intercepted it?
Seems like its more of an "I can't believe these guys are working so hard to try and not deal with anything in game" thread.
I've never seen half of an NOE bail out before, the mission vGuys did to A25 is the first time i've ever seen that. Kudos to the Knits that
took off when I called out the NOE, pretty funny to see vCryo's response on 200:)
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Need a Superfly statement regarding rules about bailing out before engagement range. Something like:
Don't fly like a dick.
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Need a Superfly statement regarding rules about bailing out before engagement range. Something like:
Don't fly like a dick.
:rofl
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TBH, I've been a supporter of the Devil's Brigade's approach to the game. I think it promotes combat, makes things interesting, and is great for the game. That being said, the two issues at hand 1) Hiding CVs to other side of map with no intent of ever using them and 2) Bailing out before combat is very VERY unsporting of you guys. Respect the game and your opponent. Use a hidden cv to reroute and plan a well planned counter attack mission. Don't bail before combat. That's about as dickish of behavior as you can do in this game and incredibly unsporting. If you only did it once out of frustration, okay fine, but if you make a habit out of it that's the equivalent of twisting a dude's nuts off at the bottom of a football pile. Or forfeiting a game at half time because you are losing.
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LOL kinda like augering an entire mission to avoid getting shot down by the planes that intercepted it?
Seems like its more of an "I can't believe these guys are working so hard to try and not deal with anything in game" thread.
well we know what the "v" stands for now.
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Your kidding ... right ?
Nope. We couldn't believe it. All of a sudden it was nothing but splashes as they dove into the water because they'd been spotted and were going to be intercepted.
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Like little lemmings :rofl
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TBH, I've been a supporter of the Devil's Brigade's approach to the game. I think it promotes combat, makes things interesting, and is great for the game. That being said, the two issues at hand 1) Hiding CVs to other side of map with no intent of ever using them and 2) Bailing out before combat is very VERY unsporting of you guys. Respect the game and your opponent. Use a hidden cv to reroute and plan a well planned counter attack mission. Don't bail before combat. That's about as dickish of behavior as you can do in this game and incredibly unsporting. If you only did it once out of frustration, okay fine, but if you make a habit out of it that's the equivalent of twisting a dude's nuts off at the bottom of a football pile. Or forfeiting a game at half time because you are losing.
how can it promote combat when all they do is kill the hangars. they never fight you, and if there's any resistance, they will go somewhere else. all they promote is score padding.
semp
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how can it promote combat when all they do is kill the hangars. they never fight you, and if there's any resistance, they will go somewhere else. all they promote is score padding.
semp
That's simply not true, they do more than kill the hangars. Obviously there has been combat, since I have killed hundreds upon hundreds of vGuys over the past couple years. vGuys are trying to win the war. You,along many others here, do not like that, OK we get it. If everyone flew only to dogfight and furball the MA would be a larger DA Pond.
There's nothing wrong with guys trying to win the war, the sooner people on this board can come to grips with that the better the health of the game will be. The issue at hand is winning the war at all cost, and sacrificing good sportsmanship to do so. Hiding carriers on the edge of the map in stalemate and augering to avoid combat is very poor sportsmanship and you vGuys know it. You can say it is within the rules as much as you want, but it doesn't change the fact that it is poor sportsmanship. You can't argue that, and you should respect the game more than to do that kind of thing.
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incredibly unsporting.
...but...but...but....didn't they do that in real war....?
...no...?
- oldman
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...but...but...but....didn't they do that in real war....?
...no...?
- oldman
That's just another attempt by them to justify their poor sportsmanship. Deep down they know what they are doing is poor sportsmanship. I have faith in them as a group to stop doing it because they seem like good guys from when I've flown with them.
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That's simply not true, they do more than kill the hangars. Obviously there has been combat, since I have killed hundreds upon hundreds of vGuys over the past couple years. vGuys are trying to win the war. You,along many others here, do not like that, OK we get it. If everyone flew only to dogfight and furball the MA would be a larger DA Pond.
There's nothing wrong with guys trying to win the war, the sooner people on this board can come to grips with that the better the health of the game will be. The issue at hand is winning the war at all cost, and sacrificing good sportsmanship to do so. Hiding carriers on the edge of the map in stalemate and augering to avoid combat is very poor sportsmanship and you vGuys know it. You can say it is within the rules as much as you want, but it doesn't change the fact that it is poor sportsmanship. You can't argue that, and you should respect the game more than to do that kind of thing.
no you are saying it promotes combat, we all know vtards will not fight you, we get behind them and we kill them and that's it. so how does that promote combat? we just pad our kill score and they pad their attack score. there's no combat in it. i dont even bother upping when they have their noe, many others feel the same way. it gets boring getting easy kills or proxies, many times i have gotten 3 or 4 kills when I am not even wheels up. they just dive-bomb themselves on the hangars. and sadly that's the way vdallas wants it as he has kicked players out of squad for trying to actually fight their way in.
semp
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EPIC SUCCEED
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no you are saying it promotes combat, we all know vtards will not fight you, we get behind them and we kill them and that's it. so how does that promote combat? we just pad our kill score and they pad their attack score. there's no combat in it. i dont even bother upping when they have their noe, many others feel the same way. it gets boring getting easy kills or proxies, many times i have gotten 3 or 4 kills when I am not even wheels up. they just dive-bomb themselves on the hangars. and sadly that's the way vdallas wants it as he has kicked players out of squad for trying to actually fight their way in.
semp
Semp, your exaggerations are ridiculous and not even worth discussing.
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That's simply not true, they do more than kill the hangars. Obviously there has been combat, since I have killed hundreds upon hundreds of vGuys over the past couple years.
You're simply better at killing them quickly than they are at augering quickly. :)
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what was really sad was it wasn't just one CV they were hiding, it was all the CV's that were being hidden.
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what was really sad was it wasn't just one CV they were hiding, it was all the CV's that were being hidden.
It is sad. But what is even more sad is that others with higher ranking let them do it.
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Semp, your exaggerations are ridiculous and not even worth discussing.
we have one of there ex squaddies in our wing, he stated the same thing as semp did, there told what to do and how to do it, you argue with the upper command your gone. He's having more fun now than ever since he's allowed to think on his own, he's a real good pilot once he was able to do his own thing instead of following orders or else.
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They were just trying to line them up like in last weeks cartoon. ;)
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I'm still waiting to hear what the =V= guys have to say about this. :uhoh :bolt:
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no you are saying it promotes combat, we all know vtards will not fight you, we get behind them and we kill them and that's it. so how does that promote combat? we just pad our kill score and they pad their attack score. there's no combat in it. i dont even bother upping when they have their noe, many others feel the same way. it gets boring getting easy kills or proxies, many times i have gotten 3 or 4 kills when I am not even wheels up. they just dive-bomb themselves on the hangars. and sadly that's the way vdallas wants it as he has kicked players out of squad for trying to actually fight their way in.
semp
You're not factoring in the fact that they're usually not the only ones in the group headed for the base. Think of them as a catalyst. They up a mission, other pilots head in that general direction, combat ensues.
Wiley.
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Semp, your exaggerations are ridiculous and not even worth discussing.
well would you care to enlighten me about how they promote combat?
semp
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vTARDS = vFAIL
(http://i1186.photobucket.com/albums/z375/DasHetzer/vFAIL.jpg)
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what was really sad was it wasn't just one CV they were hiding, it was all the CV's that were being hidden.
Hysterical.
So whatever side these Vboiz are on basicly will have few or NO Cvs??
Because of ONE squad???
Incomprehensible AND rude.
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ive been thINkINg about this....IN!
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Semp, your exaggerations are ridiculous and not even worth discussing.
Actually, I think they are worth discussing because Semp's comments have gotten so far out of line and are so hypocritical.
You know the Pigs do the exact same things you fault here. I was recently defending a base from a PotW hoard attack, and had several proxies from Pigs on the Wing guys before even being wheels up. Your guys must be as bad as the vTards then, right?
Moreover, most of you weren't even bombing in an effort to take the base, but instead just trying to vulch the field (talk about score padding). What’s funny is that it took that particular Knight hoard nearly an hour to take that base -- something the vGuys often do in a single sortie, even when there is opposition. And before you continue another ridiculous claim, yes, people usually do come to defend (and pick the mission) all the time. Maybe they don’t agree with your not doing so because "it is too easy" philosophy.
I've read your PotW forum and I understand that you believe the Pigs way is the only way. That is understandable. Squad members should believe in squad doctrine. But, you fault the Devil's Brigade for this. Your squad too has lost members over the years. Don't the Muppets like to needle you guys about this? By your logic wouldn’t that suggest that you are doing “something wrong” also?
I found most interesting how you state on your forums that you consider yourselves a "4th country" because you don't count on the rest of the Knights. That is actually a contrast from the vTards side-oriented style of play. In my experience, the Devil's Brigade (vTards) try to work with others with on their side to win the map for their side. Winning the map is a stated squad goal, and everyone knows it. That is the “winning” Nucks is referring to in your other squad-bashing thread, that you claim not to understand. It is also not the selfish, mindless approach to the game that you and so many others try to make it out to be. It creates fights in new places all the time, rather than one static furball-lake-like battle somewhere.
I’ve chatted with you on private and you seemed then to be more open-minded then you act here. Maybe I was wrong about that. I think instead you too are jumping on the band-wagon with those who want to “fight the war” here on the forums. Sadly you are joining the ranks of those who take this cartoon squad-bashing thing beyond the realm of false, egocentric, ridiculous, and hypocritical claims, into actual animosity and personal attacks.
I hope this sheds some light on this squad-bashing nonsense. Food (or pig-slop, in your case ;)) for thought, Semp?
:salute
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I started flying here in about 2008, I'd previously flown AHI in the free arenas, however this was when I started flying arenas. When I first joined, the gap in skill level was amazing. I couldn't for the life of me survive a fight, and didn't know basic tactics for getting myself into a situation with at least a chance of surviving. I then joined my first ghi mission... These were great. They helped me learn my plane, tactics, and flying with a group. It also taught me about the aspects of base taking and ground attack, and helped get me comfortable flying, killing, and as always dieing.
I used to love the mission, and would always keep an eye out on channel for mission postings. Somewhere along the line, the missions changed considerable from a smash and grab assault to a full fledged hording and dropping of everything that can blow up. I think the change in town layout had a lot to do with this, however I think it has more to do with the mindset of many people that's echoed with other changes to the game, and that is an unwillingness to learn.
These large hordes have developed due to a lack of tactics and skill. My squad has practiced and found that 1 38 or Mosquito, 1 set of Lancasters and 1 M3 is all that is needed to take a new town. Anything beyond that should be built around anticipated defense, however if timing is accurate, even this might not be needed.
I still believe that missions do great things for helping out new people, however I think many are using these as a crutch.
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That's just another attempt by them to justify their poor sportsmanship. Deep down they know what they are doing is poor sportsmanship. I have faith in them as a group to stop doing it because they seem like good guys from when I've flown with them.
Lol Grizz, I think you have gotten caught up in the moment as I believe "Oldman" was yanking on your chain there. I gotta say that I agree with your postings in this matter! I don't care what the reason is behind hiding CV's, it's just downright wrong and bailing when you've been busted is even worse in my book!
All the Best...
Jay
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Hysterical.
So whatever side these Vboiz are on basicly will have few or NO Cvs??
Because of ONE squad???
Incomprehensible AND rude.
Yeah and Remember when the Birds of Prey were raped constantly in here for just capturing too many bases at a time? My how the game has changed old buddy. hehhe At least the BOPS never hid CV's, killed a bunch with things like clown car raids (KI-61's), but never bailed when busted doing NOE raids and never hid a CV. Back then we were the total ruin of the game in the BBS...ROFLOL
All the Best...
Jay
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Yeah and Remember when the Birds of Prey were raped constantly in here for just capturing too many bases at a time? My how the game has changed old buddy. hehhe At least the BOPS never hid CV's, killed a bunch with things like clown car raids (KI-61's), but never bailed when busted doing NOE raids and never hid a CV. Back then we were the total ruin of the game in the BBS...ROFLOL
All the Best...
Jay
BANZAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII IIIIIIIIIIII!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Lol Grizz, I think you have gotten caught up in the moment as I believe "Oldman" was yanking on your chain there. I gotta say that I agree with your postings in this matter! I don't care what the reason is behind hiding CV's, it's just downright wrong and bailing when you've been busted is even worse in my book!
All the Best...
Jay
Oh I know he was, I was just using his post as a platform for another soap box. :D
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Need a Superfly statement regarding rules about bailing out before engagement range. Something like:
Don't fly like a dick.
Look at my sig lol.
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Grizz is trolling
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Grizz is trolling
I don't believe so in this case. He's supported the vGuys more then most in how they want to play. I do believe he's as perplexed as the rest of us at the lengths they've gone to now in their effort to 'win the war'. It totally nullifies any talk of strategy and tactics when your only goal in a game that involves other players is to avoid them to the point of hiding all the carriers or augering a bunch of fighter bombers when your raid gets intercepted.
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I don't believe so in this case. He's supported the vGuys more then most in how they want to play. I do believe he's as perplexed as the rest of us at the lengths they've gone to now in their effort to 'win the war'. It totally nullifies any talk of strategy and tactics when your only goal in a game that involves other players is to avoid them to the point of hiding all the carriers or augering a bunch of fighter bombers when your raid gets intercepted.
Maybe we should get PBY's that offer a 5 mile radius Dar ring that can't be seen by anyone other than the PBY flier, but this gives them the ability to spot and report flights while remaining relatively hidden (especially if flying NOE on patrol)... Perhaps even add a radar return for carrier groups as well. I think a flying boat is just what this game needs.
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Over the years I've given this silly little game a lot of thought and contemplation and noticed how my own approach and attitude has changed. One of the things that occurred to me, and I think it applies to all aspects of the game and community goes something like this.
How someone conducts themselves in the pursuit of their goals speaks volumes louder than achieving them.
At the end of the day all we can do is try and contribute something, it's up to us to decide whether that contribution positive or negative.
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Actually, I think they are worth discussing because Semp's comments have gotten so far out of line and are so hypocritical.
You know the Pigs do the exact same things you fault here. I was recently defending a base from a PotW hoard attack, and had several proxies from Pigs on the Wing guys before even being wheels up. Your guys must be as bad as the vTards then, right?
Moreover, most of you weren't even bombing in an effort to take the base, but instead just trying to vulch the field (talk about score padding). What’s funny is that it took that particular Knight hoard nearly an hour to take that base -- something the vGuys often do in a single sortie, even when there is opposition. And before you continue another ridiculous claim, yes, people usually do come to defend (and pick the mission) all the time. Maybe they don’t agree with your not doing so because "it is too easy" philosophy.
I've read your PotW forum and I understand that you believe the Pigs way is the only way. That is understandable. Squad members should believe in squad doctrine. But, you fault the Devil's Brigade for this. Your squad too has lost members over the years. Don't the Muppets like to needle you guys about this? By your logic wouldn’t that suggest that you are doing “something wrong” also?
I found most interesting how you state on your forums that you consider yourselves a "4th country" because you don't count on the rest of the Knights. That is actually a contrast from the vTards side-oriented style of play. In my experience, the Devil's Brigade (vTards) try to work with others with on their side to win the map for their side. Winning the map is a stated squad goal, and everyone knows it. That is the “winning” Nucks is referring to in your other squad-bashing thread, that you claim not to understand. It is also not the selfish, mindless approach to the game that you and so many others try to make it out to be. It creates fights in new places all the time, rather than one static furball-lake-like battle somewhere.
I’ve chatted with you on private and you seemed then to be more open-minded then you act here. Maybe I was wrong about that. I think instead you too are jumping on the band-wagon with those who want to “fight the war” here on the forums. Sadly you are joining the ranks of those who take this cartoon squad-bashing thing beyond the realm of false, egocentric, ridiculous, and hypocritical claims, into actual animosity and personal attacks.
I hope this sheds some light on this squad-bashing nonsense. Food (or pig-slop, in your case ;)) for thought, Semp?
:salute
WARNING: The above post contains pure unadulterated bullcrap. :aok
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WARNING: The above post contains pure unadulterated bullcrap. :aok
If anything, you've validated my post by failing to provide any specific contradiction. :aok
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If anything, you've validated my post by failing to provide any specific contradiction. :aok
Can you please respond to my post in regards to something being within the "rules" but also being poor sportsmanship? Do you think it is poor sportsmanship to bail out before engagement? Do you think it is poor sportsmanship to stalemate a carrier?
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Can you please respond to my post in regards to something being within the "rules" but also being poor sportsmanship? Do you think it is poor sportsmanship to bail out before engagement? YES Do you think it is poor sportsmanship to stalemate a carrier? NO
i only said yes to the bailing out because it just says either A: you dont want to fight because you might get shot down or B: you bailed because you couldnt handle being shot down.
just my .02
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Can you please respond to my post in regards to something being within the "rules" but also being poor sportsmanship? Do you think it is poor sportsmanship to bail out before engagement? Do you think it is poor sportsmanship to stalemate a carrier?
Flying on a 56K Dail-up connection... LAG KILLS!!!
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Don't bail before combat. That's about as dickish of behavior as you can do in this game and incredibly unsporting. If you only did it once out of frustration, okay fine, but if you make a habit out of it that's the equivalent of twisting a dude's nuts off at the bottom of a football pile.
I have been flying in the various incarnations of the Devil's Brigade for almost three years now, longer than anyone else in the squad (with vDOGFITE being effectively MIA due to work for the last few months), and I can tell you that I have never seen this happen, never been part of it happening, never heard anyone suggest it, and certainly never approved of it being done. There is no common habit or practice of bailing from either fighters or bombers to avoid combat by members of our squad. Anyone who says otherwise is a liar and ignorant, plain and simple, and I challenge them to either post film or STFU.
As for CVs, we love CV attacks and CV battles. Always have and always will.
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I have been flying in the various incarnations of the Devil's Brigade for almost three years now, longer than anyone else in the squad (with vDOGFITE being effectively MIA due to work for the last few months), and I can tell you that I have never seen this happen, never been part of it happening, never heard anyone suggest it, and certainly never approved of it being done. There is no common habit or practice of bailing from either fighters or bombers to avoid combat by members of our squad. Anyone who says otherwise is a liar and ignorant, plain and simple, and I challenge them to either post film or STFU.
As for CVs, we love CV attacks and CV battles. Always have and always will.
Your own guys acknowledged it already. The goons were spotted so they bailed, the NOE raid, with no goons in place augered with defending fighters in sight. Read the threads. Apparently they voted on it on VOX :)
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i only said yes to the bailing out because it just says either A: you dont want to fight because you might get shot down or B: you bailed because you couldnt handle being shot down.
just my .02
Do you even play the game?
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Do you even play the game?
yes, i do. quite a bit. why do you ask?
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Do you even play the game?
He's right actually. He just repeated himself, but both versions of that one reason are correct.
Only other reasons you should bail out are
1) base under horde-attack, you need to go defend :airplane:.
2) oh crap, dinners on fire, I gotta go :bolt:.
3) You're outa gas and are going down anyway. Might as well deny someone the perks if they're going to get the kill either way.
But if you have even a slight chance of surviving to land, you shouldn't bail.
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Apparently they voted on it on VOX :)
No, I said it was discussed on vox and the decision was made to scrub the mission in order to rally quickly again with the goon pilots who had been spied out and downed. As Loki correctly said, bailing out is NOT a common practice. In fact, I am only aware of one other mission bail before, when it was decided that a more important objective had come up.
On the other hand, I have seen bombers and ords porkers bail out, undamaged, many, many times, rather than "fight it out". Personally, I don't like the idea of bailing under any circumstances. It's just not my style. But, I don't tell other people how to play the game. I also don't call out the pilots that do it in order to whine about it ad nauseum in the forums and try to bash their entire squad membership.
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i bail all the time to defend a noe attack as long as i'm not in combat.
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No, I said it was discussed on vox and the decision was made to scrub the mission in order to rally quickly again with the goon pilots who had been spied out and downed. As Loki correctly said, bailing out is NOT a common practice. In fact, I am only aware of one other mission bail before, when it was decided that a more important objective had come up.
On the other hand, I have seen bombers and ords porkers bail out, undamaged, many, many times, rather than "fight it out". Personally, I don't like the idea of bailing under any circumstances. It's just not my style. But, I don't tell other people how to play the game. I also don't call out the pilots that do it in order to whine about it ad nauseum in the forums and try to bash their entire squad membership.
kingpin with all respect here, but why not continue to the target and flatten the feild while the goons are coming back? kill the air threats base is yours.
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He's right actually. He just repeated himself, but both versions of that one reason are correct.
Only other reasons you should bail out are
1) base under horde-attack, you need to go defend :airplane:. +1
2) oh crap, dinners on fire, I gotta go :bolt:. +1, but it can wait :devil
3) You're outa gas and are going down anyway. Might as well deny someone the perks if they're going to get the kill either way. -1. ditch and dont give them the kill just to be mean :t
But if you have even a slight chance of surviving to land, you shouldn't bail.
and, about the "slight" chance of survival, sometimes its better to bail because you could have easily bailed then upped another plane in 2 seconds. id only suggest that if its a high-priced perk plane such as the 234,262 b29 ect...
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Can you please respond to my post in regards to something being within the "rules" but also being poor sportsmanship? Do you think it is poor sportsmanship to bail out before engagement? Do you think it is poor sportsmanship to stalemate a carrier?
Don't go the unsportmanship route Grizz, or do you forget that escapade I had with the phew a while ago?
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I've killed planes with a Ju-88's guns. I've even (partially) killed an I-16 with a SBD's guns before. Stupid F4UC stole the kill, but I'd removed part of his wing.
And if you bail in enemy territory, you lose your full perks, not half your perks like if its in friendly territory.
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Do you think it is poor sportsmanship to stalemate a carrier?
I do not see how it is poor sportsmanship to "stalemate" a carrier. There are 200 other fields on the map where fights can be had. The vast majority of them can't be moved so it isn't an issue. And the CVs whose ports are friendly can be used as aggressively as anyone wants. It's hardly as if all fighting on the map grinds to a stalemate because 1 or 2 bases out of dozens or hundreds are effectively removed from play.
Do you think it's bad sportsmanship when playing 8-ball to leave one of your balls blocking a pocket and take a more difficult shot instead? Is it bad sportsmanship to pump fake in football, or to run a draw? Or to throw to an open receiver instead of finding the guy who's surrounded by the most defenders?
Choosing to launch your attacks from bases the enemy can't steal from you with a couple of well-placed bombs rather than from the ones he can isn't bad sportsmanship or "avoiding combat," it's just good strategy.
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No but keeping others from effectivly using those few fields is bad sportsmans ship. Just like it would be bad sportsmanship to block someone else's pocket to try to get them to go for an easier shot in 8-ball.
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kingpin with all respect here, but why not continue to the target and flatten the feild while the goons are coming back? kill the air threats base is yours.
Valid question, but you must have missed that this was an NOE mission. Despite having chosen a rather long path over the water through an inactive area of the map, the mission was spotted. The sudden, large dar-bar in sector followed by the prompt arrival of interceptors, made it clear the NOE mission and location had also been announced. I think you would agree that at that point, an NOE raid had no chance of success.
Actually, this why the squad USUALLY goes in with alt (despite all the ignorant claims I have seen that "the vTards only go NOE"). We usually DO keep our ords on, push through a few cons and continue the mission, even if that means giving up a couple of those easy picks of heavy fighters you all love so much :). Sometimes the mission fails, but often it results in a successful base take. For this the squad receives a great outpouring of love and respect on the forums, which is our ultimate goal of playing. :lol
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I do not see how it is poor sportsmanship to "stalemate" a carrier. There are 200 other fields on the map where fights can be had. The vast majority of them can't be moved so it isn't an issue. And the CVs whose ports are friendly can be used as aggressively as anyone wants. It's hardly as if all fighting on the map grinds to a stalemate because 1 or 2 bases out of dozens or hundreds are effectively removed from play.
Do you think it's bad sportsmanship when playing 8-ball to leave one of your balls blocking a pocket and take a more difficult shot instead? Is it bad sportsmanship to pump fake in football, or to run a draw? Or to throw to an open receiver instead of finding the guy who's surrounded by the most defenders?
Choosing to launch your attacks from bases the enemy can't steal from you with a couple of well-placed bombs rather than from the ones he can isn't bad sportsmanship or "avoiding combat," it's just good strategy.
but how can the minority decide on how the majority play? why or how is your opinion or style of game play more important then somebody elses?
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Valid question, but you must have missed that this was an NOE mission. Despite having chosen a rather long path over the water through an inactive area of the map, the mission was spotted. The sudden, large dar-bar in sector followed by the prompt arrival of interceptors, made it clear the NOE mission and location had also been announced. I think you would agree that at that point, an NOE raid had no chance of success.
Actually, this why the squad USUALLY goes in with alt (despite all the ignorant claims I have seen that "the vTards only go NOE"). We usually DO keep our ords on, push through a few cons and continue the mission, even if that means giving up a couple of those easy picks of heavy fighters you all love so much :). Sometimes the mission fails, but often it results in a successful base take. For this the squad receives a great outpouring of love and respect on the forums, which is our ultimate goal of playing. :lol
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If you had such a large dar bar why not grab some alt and make it even easier to take the base by having alt on the enemy interceptors? :headscratch:
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No, I said it was discussed on vox and the decision was made to scrub the mission in order to rally quickly again with the goon pilots who had been spied out and downed. As Loki correctly said, bailing out is NOT a common practice. In fact, I am only aware of one other mission bail before, when it was decided that a more important objective had come up.
On the other hand, I have seen bombers and ords porkers bail out, undamaged, many, many times, rather than "fight it out". Personally, I don't like the idea of bailing under any circumstances. It's just not my style. But, I don't tell other people how to play the game. I also don't call out the pilots that do it in order to whine about it ad nauseum in the forums and try to bash their entire squad membership.
My bad choice of words then. discussed and a decision was made :)
I was responding to vLoki saying he's never even heard it mentioned. It was a squad decision was it not? Does that in fact not reflect on the squad?
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My bad choice of words then. discussed and a decision was made :)
I was responding to vLoki saying he's never even heard it mentioned. It was a squad decision was it not? Does that in fact not reflect on the squad?
No, it doesn't.
And I've just run out of troll food, so you'll have to go hungry from here on out.
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No, it doesn't.
And I've just run out of troll food, so you'll have to go hungry from here on out.
not so sure if you noticed...but he hasnt been trolling.
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If anything, you've validated my post by failing to provide any specific contradiction. :aok
Specific contradiction????
If we have to explain it to you, you wouldn't understand.
Its like tryin to talk to a rock.
Apparently the old sayin "ignorance is bliss" applies here.
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Do you think it's bad sportsmanship when playing 8-ball to leave one of your balls blocking a pocket and take a more difficult shot instead? Is it bad sportsmanship to pump fake in football, or to run a draw? Or to throw to an open receiver instead of finding the guy who's surrounded by the most defenders?
Its bad sportsmanship to hide your opponents cue though.
There is NO way that hiding a cv or anything else I've read about these Vboiz is sportsman like.
Nothing.
A cult mentality that is readily apparent.
Sad.
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Valid question, but you must have missed that this was an NOE mission. Despite having chosen a rather long path over the water through an inactive area of the map, the mission was spotted. The sudden, large dar-bar in sector followed by the prompt arrival of interceptors, made it clear the NOE mission and location had also been announced. I think you would agree that at that point, an NOE raid had no chance of success.
Hey, no need to explain! Your base-grab mission was going to fail, what was the point of further combat? You've earned a prominent spot in AH history, seems to me, at least it's the first time I've ever heard of such a thing, why not glory in the moment?
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but how can the minority decide on how the majority play? why or how is your opinion or style of game play more important then somebody elses?
They don't, and it isn't. The highest-ranked guy controls the CV. take that up with Hitech, not me. If he wanted to make it a democracy, he could do it.
Sometimes the higher-ranked guy is one of us, more often it isn't. Sometimes more people agree with the higher-ranked guy, sometimes they don't. Sometimes the higher-ranked guy is one guy who wants to move the boat in and won't listen to ten guys who want to move it out. That's the way the game works.
What IS bad sportsmanship is throwing a screaming, bawling temper tantrum and ratting out your own side to the enemy because you don't get your way. That's equally true whether your way is to hide the boat or use it. There is no worse sport than a rat and a traitor.
Put it this way: you're the star running back. For the game-ending big play, you think the QB should hand the ball off to you. Instead he calls a pass to his best receiver. Do you pull with the rest of the team and carry out your assignment even though it's not what you would prefer, or do you sneak over to the defensive captain and tell him what the play is because gosh darn it, if your team doesn't do things YOUR way then it deserves to lose?
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I was responding to vLoki saying he's never even heard it mentioned.
I wasn't online on the night in question. I said I had never seen or heard that in all the time I was online, and I've spent a LOT of time flying with the vGUYS, so it isn't usual or even occasional behavior for our squad. I did not mean to suggest that you were lying about this particular incident.
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Its bad sportsmanship to hide your opponents cue though.
Your opponent only has one cue, and there's nothing in the rules of pool that authorizes you to take it from him. Both are untrue of CVs in AH. You fail at analogy.
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They don't, and it isn't. The highest-ranked guy controls the CV. take that up with Hitech, not me. If he wanted to make it a democracy, he could do it.
Sometimes the higher-ranked guy is one of us, more often it isn't. Sometimes more people agree with the higher-ranked guy, sometimes they don't. Sometimes the higher-ranked guy is one guy who wants to move the boat in and won't listen to ten guys who want to move it out. That's the way the game works.
What IS bad sportsmanship is throwing a screaming, bawling temper tantrum and ratting out your own side to the enemy because you don't get your way. That's equally true whether your way is to hide the boat or use it. There is no worse sport than a rat and a traitor.
Put it this way: you're the star running back. For the game-ending big play, you think the QB should hand the ball off to you. Instead he calls a pass to his best receiver. Do you pull with the rest of the team and carry out your assignment even though it's not what you would prefer, or do you sneak over to the defensive captain and tell him what the play is because gosh darn it, if your team doesn't do things YOUR way then it deserves to lose?
I agree that spying is as bad if not worse sportsmanship than hiding a CV in the corner of the map. Doesn't make it right though.
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Don't you know, it's fashionable to make fun of the vGuys.
Hiding CVs has been an on the table issue for years, HTC hasn't changed anything. Deal with it in a manner the game offers and stop whining on the BBS about it. :rolleyes:
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Maybe we should get PBY's that offer a 5 mile radius Dar ring that can't be seen by anyone other than the PBY flier, but this gives them the ability to spot and report flights while remaining relatively hidden (especially if flying NOE on patrol)... Perhaps even add a radar return for carrier groups as well. I think a flying boat is just what this game needs.
Someone will just hide them ;)
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Semp, your exaggerations are ridiculous and not even worth discussing.
Semp can be ridiculous but this post isnt one of those times. :)
His post pretty much sums up the V way.
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Actually, I think they are worth discussing because Semp's comments have gotten so far out of line and are so hypocritical.
You know the Pigs do the exact same things you fault here. I was recently defending a base from a PotW hoard attack, and had several proxies from Pigs on the Wing guys before even being wheels up. Your guys must be as bad as the vTards then, right?
Moreover, most of you weren't even bombing in an effort to take the base, but instead just trying to vulch the field (talk about score padding). What’s funny is that it took that particular Knight hoard nearly an hour to take that base -- something the vGuys often do in a single sortie, even when there is opposition. And before you continue another ridiculous claim, yes, people usually do come to defend (and pick the mission) all the time. Maybe they don’t agree with your not doing so because "it is too easy" philosophy.
I've read your PotW forum and I understand that you believe the Pigs way is the only way. That is understandable. Squad members should believe in squad doctrine. But, you fault the Devil's Brigade for this. Your squad too has lost members over the years. Don't the Muppets like to needle you guys about this? By your logic wouldn’t that suggest that you are doing “something wrong” also?
I found most interesting how you state on your forums that you consider yourselves a "4th country" because you don't count on the rest of the Knights. That is actually a contrast from the vTards side-oriented style of play. In my experience, the Devil's Brigade (vTards) try to work with others with on their side to win the map for their side. Winning the map is a stated squad goal, and everyone knows it. That is the “winning” Nucks is referring to in your other squad-bashing thread, that you claim not to understand. It is also not the selfish, mindless approach to the game that you and so many others try to make it out to be. It creates fights in new places all the time, rather than one static furball-lake-like battle somewhere.
I’ve chatted with you on private and you seemed then to be more open-minded then you act here. Maybe I was wrong about that. I think instead you too are jumping on the band-wagon with those who want to “fight the war” here on the forums. Sadly you are joining the ranks of those who take this cartoon squad-bashing thing beyond the realm of false, egocentric, ridiculous, and hypocritical claims, into actual animosity and personal attacks.
I hope this sheds some light on this squad-bashing nonsense. Food (or pig-slop, in your case ;)) for thought, Semp?
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we were probably deacking when you got the proxies, but seriously do you get proxies from us everyday? because I did, and now I wont even up when you guys bring your noe's, i see no point to it. I got tired of getting behind somebody who wont even turn. there's nothing wrong with taking bases, but when it comes down to avoiding fights at all costs, that's when I have a problem. I have talked to you when there has been some good fight and I have either killed you or you killed me. or when some other starts bashing you for no reason. but here we are talking about you guys as a group avoiding fights.
we as pigs when we have what we call Pig's critical mass, that's when we have a bunch of guys, we will up as a group and head to the biggest darbar we can find and kill everybody, then we take the base. we dont go dive on the hangars, die, bring more bombs, divecrash again, as we have seen your squad doing time after time. we dont bail in mid mission because our goons got killed, we keep going and kill as many as we can, untill either we kill everybody or we die.
kingpin I respect you and a couple of other vguys because you will fight for the fun of it. except when you are on "mission" and will avoid fights at all costs. and you cant bs me on that, as several of your squadies have told me if they fight they get in trouble with vdallas. :salute.
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as several of your squadies have told me if they fight they get in trouble with vdallas. :salute.
:O 40 lashes for that abhorrent thing you call "fighting".
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Did I see some one mention spying?
I don't think it's Spying when your own countryman have such an issue with your Modus operandi that they PM guys on the other side to give away missions, locations, plans ect. I think it's called "Persona Non Grata".
Of course when their own squad mates PMing sensitive Information to the opposition one has to wounder. Is it B.S. or is it a psychological tactic? Maybe PMing their own "Noe" mission to the enemy while in flight and then Mass auguring is suppose to keep us all off balance and confused?
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The "hated" vGuys have enough support that they seem to manage sufficient numbers to take bases. All discussions of fair play aside, I have been talking with some of older (time in game) players about the entire paradigm of the game changing with the big town update last summer. (IIRC, maybe the summer before, I am old.)
It used to be that three guys in tanks could drop an airfield if no one was watching the field, or if you dropped the BH and Ords. Now, the game makes it so that anything beyond a V-base requires some significant numbers to ensure success (generalization). Years ago I started out in Rolling Thunder, back when it was one NOE after another, and I always felt like a stud because we were winning the war or capturing another base. That was OK, until I figured out that throwing bodies onto the breach seemed a bit boring compared to really learning how to fight the cartoon planes, and becoming a "student of the game".
I would say the vGuys, or any other formed "horde", idea of fair play, CV hiding, etc are all promulgated by the parameters of the game. Consider, if CV puffy ack could do something past hitting a 262 at 25k, like say kill a flight of B-17s, would CVs be hidden all the time? If bases could be captured by smaller squads, say 5-7 guys, could that change the necessity to have a horde? If the dar was raised to 500 with radar, would that promote some action?
All of these have been complaints over the years to HTC, which for the most part they have addressed, so the community is reaping what it sowed. The vGuys and there style of fighting is a reflection of what the game will a) tolerate and b) promote. My 2c. :salute
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Did I see some one mention spying?
I don't think it's Spying when your own countryman have such an issue with your Modus operandi that they PM guys on the other side to give away missions, locations, plans ect. I think it's called "Persona Non Grata".
Of course when their own squad mates PMing sensitive Information to the opposition one has to wounder. Is it B.S. or is it a psychological tactic? Maybe PMing their own "Noe" mission to the enemy while in flight and then Mass auguring is suppose to keep us all off balance and confused?
Mayhem,
You've fallen victim to a lie. Do you actually believe vDALLAS would pm Butcher to rat out his own squads mission? In fact, I would be dumbfounded if any member of our squad did anything remotely similar to this that Butcher wouldn't take a screenshot of it so he could come here and use it. No screenshot, no film, and an absurd allegation. On the other hand, I really don't care what you believe, as you will clearly believe anything you choose despite the obvious staring you in the face.
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If anything, you've validated my post by failing to provide any specific contradiction. :aok
Pigs are not on trial here, the Vguys are. Enough contradiction for ya? The Pigs attack the largest red dar on the map at all times, the Vguys avoid dar at all costs. Enough contradiction for ya? You can see the Pigs attacks coming from a sector away as we want to fight for your fields, you won't see the Vguys with more than a 2-3 minute window of opportunity to fight them as they avoid combat. Enough contradiction for ya? The Pigs attack on our own away from the other Knights, the Vguys surround themselves with as many friendlies as they can for protection. I hope I have provided enough contradiction for you. I could go on if you would like. Please let me know. :aok
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Your opponent only has one cue, and there's nothing in the rules of pool that authorizes you to take it from him. Both are untrue of CVs in AH. You fail at analogy.
LOL!!!
I didn't think you guys would get it.
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Mayhem,
You've fallen victim to a lie. Do you actually believe vDALLAS would pm Butcher to rat out his own squads mission?
VDallas would really surprise you and the rest of the Vbois if you ever flew against him. Back in the day, I flew with the devils when they were referred to as "OreOs and Dallas has this uncanny ability to pizz off 90% of the AH community and keep it quiet within his squad as to what he is doing.
While I was with the Devils, I remember floods of rants on 200 of the infamous "Dallas PMs" and would think how ridiculous it was to get worked up over a video game. When the devils reformed to what is now the "Vguys", I had joined another squad that happend to have run ins with my old squad. I have to say, he is a very different person when you are on the other side of his run ins, either fallen victim or victory...he is a rotten sport.
I dint think my issues with Dallas and the rest of the community is that he is "SOOO GOOD" that everyone hates him. Its more of a sympathetic ( well comedic :D) that you have someone that takes this game to such a level of seriousness that IMO takes away from what can potentially great players in the squad.
I have no issues with how the Vguys play the game. Although not my style, they are fun to shoot down and we need that in the game. I think they have fun at what they do within the squad but sooner or later they will see what the rest of the community sees.
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Pigs are not on trial here, the Vguys are. Enough contradiction for ya? The Pigs attack the largest red dar on the map at all times, the Vguys avoid dar at all costs. Enough contradiction for ya? You can see the Pigs attacks coming from a sector away as we want to fight for your fields, you won't see the Vguys with more than a 2-3 minute window of opportunity to fight them as they avoid combat. Enough contradiction for ya? The Pigs attack on our own away from the other Knights, the Vguys surround themselves with as many friendlies as they can for protection. I hope I have provided enough contradiction for you. I could go on if you would like. Please let me know. :aok
Avoid dar huh, at all costs? 2-3 minute window huh? I know what you mean, we have those uber ponies fully loaded with ords that magically jump to 15k at the radar ring from our noe approach. Are you accusing us of hacking, or just inventing facts? What do you call a contradiction of the truth?
Avoiding combat? I can't say I never have, sure I've disengaged and avoided combat when winchester, or bingo, or pw'd, or my plane is damaged. I guess even when I've gotten a little too low and a little too slow or a little too outnumbered. Please list what conditions must apply before you disengage (that's avoid combat in Oinkspeak) and I'll report how they differ from mine.
"the Vguys surround themselves with as many friendlies as they can for protection" help me understand this... We attack where the friendlies are all around to protect us? But as we avoid combat, there's apparently no enemies present? So why were the friendlies there in the first place? Do you seriously believe that the squad that captures the most bases can also be a squad that systemically avoids combat. Wow, I used to think Pigs were smart.
Sad truth is Waystin, you either don't know the truth, or don't care. And as for you "trial"... It would seem that in your case we'd be more likely to find prejudice than justice.
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Do you think it's bad sportsmanship when playing 8-ball to leave one of your balls blocking a pocket and take a more difficult shot instead? Is it bad sportsmanship to pump fake in football, or to run a draw? Or to throw to an open receiver instead of finding the guy who's surrounded by the most defenders?
I find it more akin to hiding the pool cue so the other guy can't make a shot, then declaring yourself victor by forfeit... "What? You think I'd be stupid enough to give you a stick to play with? I'm holding the advantage!"
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Put it this way: you're the star running back. For the game-ending big play, you think the QB should hand the ball off to you. Instead he calls a pass to his best receiver. Do you pull with the rest of the team and carry out your assignment even though it's not what you would prefer, or do you sneak over to the defensive captain and tell him what the play is because gosh darn it, if your team doesn't do things YOUR way then it deserves to lose?
So the ranking V guy online is the QB and we should all respect his decision and run the plays they call?
Screw that... This is TO's house!
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Please list what conditions must apply before you disengage (that's avoid combat in Oinkspeak) and I'll report how they differ from mine.
Um we don't disengage to avoid combat period, we fight it out till the end or bingo fuel or ammo, planes are free.
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ya,know..... with all this Vtard attention, the muppets are going to get Jealous :rolleyes:
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Avoid dar huh, at all costs? 2-3 minute window huh? I know what you mean, we have those uber ponies fully loaded with ords that magically jump to 15k at the radar ring from our noe approach. Are you accusing us of hacking, or just inventing facts? What do you call a contradiction of the truth?
Avoiding combat? I can't say I never have, sure I've disengaged and avoided combat when winchester, or bingo, or pw'd, or my plane is damaged. I guess even when I've gotten a little too low and a little too slow or a little too outnumbered. Please list what conditions must apply before you disengage (that's avoid combat in Oinkspeak) and I'll report how they differ from mine.
"the Vguys surround themselves with as many friendlies as they can for protection" help me understand this... We attack where the friendlies are all around to protect us? But as we avoid combat, there's apparently no enemies present? So why were the friendlies there in the first place? Do you seriously believe that the squad that captures the most bases can also be a squad that systemically avoids combat. Wow, I used to think Pigs were smart.
Sad truth is Waystin, you either don't know the truth, or don't care. And as for you "trial"... It would seem that in your case we'd be more likely to find prejudice than justice.
Im sorry...DAR activates at what alt? You are sticking your chin out there so Way can knock your chicklets out....a g a i n. Just stick with the facts, and those are:
1. NOE raids to capture bases
2. Bailing at the first sign of cons
3. Virtual unwillingness to fight it out if discovered
4. Hiding CVs
Now, argue those points and you have got my attention and won't get beat to death on the boards by Waystin. Tell me where I have it wrong?
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Have the Vtards even recognized that there is a relationship between arena behavior and having to defend thier actions on the boards?
It's pretty simple.....
Don't fly like pansies or game the game and you free up the time you spend defending your actions for something more productive.
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Mayhem,
You've fallen victim to a lie. Do you actually believe vDALLAS would pm Butcher to rat out his own squads mission? In fact, I would be dumbfounded if any member of our squad did anything remotely similar to this that Butcher wouldn't take a screenshot of it so he could come here and use it. No screenshot, no film, and an absurd allegation. On the other hand, I really don't care what you believe, as you will clearly believe anything you choose despite the obvious staring you in the face.
vCryo whined about someone's shade busting the NOE at A25, I responded "vDallas gave me the location thank him" - its called Sarcasm - With only 3 bases on a very small map you guys are so predictable in your ways, you bombed 3 radars to hide your little NOE and I guessed the right base you were going to attack, Actually your GOONS gave away the NOE when you flashed A25 with them landing next to town, thats when I screamed "NOE" on country and most of you either augered or turned around rather then face what normally is called a "massacre".
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Im sorry...DAR activates at what alt? You are sticking your chin out there so Way can knock your chicklets out....a g a i n. Just stick with the facts, and those are:
1. NOE raids to capture bases
2. Bailing at the first sign of cons
3. Virtual unwillingness to fight it out if discovered
4. Hiding CVs
Now, argue those points and you have got my attention and won't get beat to death on the boards by Waystin. Tell me where I have it wrong?
Changeup,
If you've gathered anything regarding my posts, you should have at least noticed that I don't like being held accountable or called upon to explain the behavior or opinions of other individuals. Nor do I think there is anyone remotely more capable of explaining my behavior or expressing my opinion than myself.
Have Waystin keep beating...
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I find it more akin to hiding the pool cue so the other guy can't make a shot, then declaring yourself victor by forfeit...
That's just silly. The other guy has a hundred other bases he can fly from. No one in AH has EVER run out of bases to fly from because they couldn't fly from one CV. The game mechanics make it impossible.
So the ranking V guy online is the QB
No. The highest ranking anybody on the side is the QB when it comes to plotting CV courses (and only that, nobody can or is trying to tell you what, where, or how to fly). vGUYS have no special privileges in this regard.
If you don't like that the system for determining CV command is undemocratic, take it up with Hitech.
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Changeup,
If you've gathered anything regarding my posts, you should have at least noticed that I don't like being held accountable or called upon to explain the behavior or opinions of other individuals. Nor do I think there is anyone remotely more capable of explaining my behavior or expressing my opinion than myself.
Have Waystin keep beating...
Point taken but giving a terrifically evasive answer is still an answer. Thank you.
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Pigs are not on trial here, the Vguys are.
Umm.... this isn't a trial, and you aren't a judge, or even a prosecutor. You're a just a run-of-the-mill hypocrite. You constantly take it on yourself to come in here and badmouth another squad for things your own squad is at least as bad about. Pigs fly in hordes. Pigs level and deack fields. The main difference is that instead of doing it in an attempt to take a base, you do it to set up a 3-hour vulch fest so you can pad your scores. It's really pathetic.
You and Fugitive (not a pig, but a hypocrite and jerk in the forums just like you) in particular make me laugh. The last time I saw either of you in-game you were flying in hordes of at least 30 aircraft. In your case it was last night at 117, you killed my M3 as we were still pushing hard to take the base in the face of dozens of defenders, as we'd been doing for at least 20 minutes (the VH had long since been taken down and popped). Which pretty much makes everything you say 100% bullcrap.
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vCryo whined about someone's shade busting the NOE at A25, I responded "vDallas gave me the location thank him" - its called Sarcasm - With only 3 bases on a very small map you guys are so predictable in your ways, you bombed 3 radars to hide your little NOE and I guessed the right base you were going to attack, Actually your GOONS gave away the NOE when you flashed A25 with them landing next to town, thats when I screamed "NOE" on country and most of you either augered or turned around rather then face what normally is called a "massacre".
That goon, vGazoo (actually not a current member of the Devil's Brigade), was situated a few miles OUTSIDE the radar ring, approximately halfway between the dar rings of 24 and 25 along the shoreline. He was well far enough away to avoid flashing the dar (there's plenty of room for this on the ndisles map), and vGazoo is more than experienced enough (check his score) to know better than to flash a town south of him as he approached it from the north, especially when he has miles of room to avoid doing do.
However, if you read this post, you'll find at least one other forum member who took your sarcasm quite seriously, and went so far as to present it as evidence in this sham trial of the Devils Brigade. I appreciate you offering another explanation effectively clearing vDALLAS of this absurd charge, now do you want to provide a reasonable explanation for your discovery of the noe raid, or should the discerning reader conclude the obvious for themselves?
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VDallas would really surprise you and the rest of the Vbois if you ever flew against him. Back in the day, I flew with the devils when they were referred to as "OreOs and Dallas has this uncanny ability to pizz off 90% of the AH community and keep it quiet within his squad as to what he is doing.
While I was with the Devils, I remember floods of rants on 200 of the infamous "Dallas PMs" and would think how ridiculous it was to get worked up over a video game. When the devils reformed to what is now the "Vguys", I had joined another squad that happend to have run ins with my old squad. I have to say, he is a very different person when you are on the other side of his run ins, either fallen victim or victory...he is a rotten sport.
I dint think my issues with Dallas and the rest of the community is that he is "SOOO GOOD" that everyone hates him. Its more of a sympathetic ( well comedic :D) that you have someone that takes this game to such a level of seriousness that IMO takes away from what can potentially great players in the squad.
I have no issues with how the Vguys play the game. Although not my style, they are fun to shoot down and we need that in the game. I think they have fun at what they do within the squad but sooner or later they will see what the rest of the community sees.
I'm not sure that anyone's saying he's not a good stick, he's just an arse of incredible proportions, even for THIS community. I've not met any V guys that I didn't get on ok with, save him. If you kill him, you get a smarmy PM about the circumstances of said kill. If he kills YOU, you get a smarmy PM about your skills or lack-thereof.
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Point taken but giving a terrifically evasive answer is still an answer. Thank you.
Well, I see you find yourself qualified to speak for both me and Waystin, choosing to find an answer from me in my request for you to let him speak for himself.
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1. NOE raids to capture bases
2. Bailing at the first sign of cons
3. Virtual unwillingness to fight it out if discovered
4. Hiding CVs
1. Occasionally. As has been pointed out numerous times in this thread, much more often we come in at 8-12k.
2. Bullcrap
3. Bullcrap
4. So what?
With respect to 2 and 3, everytime this comes up I point out the thousands of boths kills and deaths our squad racks up every month. Pretty tough to do if we're not fighting and doing everything possible to avoid red cons. The inevitable response is lots of humming and hawing and mumbling about vulching, or something. Except we can't vulch, 'cause we always take down the hangars before any defenders can up, right? Any way you cut it, it's bullcrap. We fight and fight hard every night in the MA.
I was on for around three hours last night and almost every minute of it was our squad either attacking heavily defended bases or defending fields being swarmed by dozens of enemy (102 for example). We did take a couple of bases by surprise attacks and then immediately used them as springboards to attack the next base up the GV spawn trail, which was inevitably heavily defended. Like I always say, the purpose of NOE, taking down hangars, and similar tactics isn't "avoiding combat", it's getting a leg up on the enemy - putting him on the defensive, owning his airspace, gaining a tactical advantage so you WIN the combat. In this game, if you don't do those things, the ability of the defender to spawn infinite aircraft gives the defender a huge advantage.
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You still don't get why #4 is such a rude and dweeby move do you????
YOU V boiz are denying your own countrymen access to a porton of the game they might wanna play!!
But then again, you guys probably know whats best for your country, everybody else is just an idiot.
Its rude beyond comprehension.
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Well, I see you find yourself qualified to speak for both me and Waystin, choosing to find an answer from me in my request for you to let him speak for himself.
I can see that you must be one of "those" people. One of those that believes because something sounds good, it must make sense. Let me help you...see, I found the answer to the question I asked you in your feeble attempt at being evasive. While that particular tactic works fairly well with underaged subordinates or family members that may need to use that particular style of answer later to get themselves out of trouble of some kind, it doesn't work with someone over the age of 25 that has seen people embarrass themselves by using it and believing it worked. Most don't call you out on it...I, however, am not one of those people. You sir, are full of it.
I find myself very qualified to address facts that are undisputed. I stated those facts. You got your pretty skirt on and danced around. I found my answer in your dance. Please stay on target when you are making an argument or giving answers to questions people ask you. I know staying on target is tough for you because I see it every night in the MA but try harder because you are no foe in the arena of debate. :aok
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1. Occasionally. As has been pointed out numerous times in this thread, much more often we come in at 8-12k.
2. Bullcrap
3. Bullcrap
4. So what?
With respect to 2 and 3, everytime this comes up I point out the thousands of boths kills and deaths our squad racks up every month. Pretty tough to do if we're not fighting and doing everything possible to avoid red cons. The inevitable response is lots of humming and hawing and mumbling about vulching, or something. Except we can't vulch, 'cause we always take down the hangars before any defenders can up, right? Any way you cut it, it's bullcrap. We fight and fight hard every night in the MA.
I was on for around three hours last night and almost every minute of it was our squad either attacking heavily defended bases or defending fields being swarmed by dozens of enemy (102 for example). We did take a couple of bases by surprise attacks and then immediately used them as springboards to attack the next base up the GV spawn trail, which was inevitably heavily defended. Like I always say, the purpose of NOE, taking down hangars, and similar tactics isn't "avoiding combat", it's getting a leg up on the enemy - putting him on the defensive, owning his airspace, gaining a tactical advantage so you WIN the combat. In this game, if you don't do those things, the ability of the defender to spawn infinite aircraft gives the defender a huge advantage.
See, LOKI is making an argument. He has stated his view, albeit wrongly, but he is making an argument. The issue for LOKI is that he is using the oldest form of deception as a tactic. He is mixing lies with truth. Much more advanced but when you argue facts, it comes back to the facts...as witnesses by others. See, I have no dog in the hunt here...I couldn't care less what the vTards do with their time or how they do it but I do hold folks accountable now and then.
LOKI...maybe you were out, maybe you werent on the mishun...maybe you were AFK...I have no idea but I know what I've seen, I know what others have seen and I know when someone is blowing out their porthole.
Bailing? Witnesses and video
Not fighting? see above
Hiding CVs? Witnesses
Dude, its cool! I have no beef...there just isn't anything important enough going on here to lie.
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Can you please respond to my post in regards to something being within the "rules" but also being poor sportsmanship? Do you think it is poor sportsmanship to bail out before engagement? Do you think it is poor sportsmanship to stalemate a carrier?
Why is it that everyone is asking a squadron that has shown it doesn't like to fight about bad sportsmanship? Do you really expect them to know what good sportsmanship is, let alone provide an answer?
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who had been spied out and downed.
Bailing out was a result of your mission being spied on and not a result of your squadron's limp wristed, eunuch tactics? And the film you guys have on your squadron website showing how to fly through solid objects is just up there for fun?
ack-ack
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Bailing out was a result of your mission being spied on and not a result of your squadron's limp wristed, eunuch tactics? And the film you guys have on your squadron website showing how to fly through solid objects is just up there for fun?
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Gosh LOKI and NUCKS...I didnt know about flying through objects. More facts I suppose. Lets add that one and it will be #5. Any argument there? lmao
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Avoiding combat? I can't say I never have, sure I've disengaged and avoided combat when winchester, or bingo, or pw'd, or my plane is damaged.
You fly under the name vNUX don't you? If so, you're one of the most timid players in the game and to say that you don't avoid combat is, well, just lying.
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LOKI...maybe you were out, maybe you werent on the mishun...maybe you were AFK...I have no idea but I know what I've seen, I know what others have seen and I know when someone is blowing out their porthole.
Just to clarify, again, I wasn't online that night. I'm talking about the habitual behavior of the squad, which is to strike and strike hard, not to "avoid combat".
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You still don't get why #4 is such a rude and dweeby move do you????
YOU V boiz are denying your own countrymen access to a porton of the game they might wanna play!!
But then again, you guys probably know whats best for your country, everybody else is just an idiot.
Its rude beyond comprehension.
You don't get it do you? That decision is made by the highest ranking player in country, not the whim of the Devils Brigade. On very rare occasion does this great honor fall upon the Devils Brigade. In fact, if you were to read the forums with an open mind, you would learn that on many of the specific occasions that we have been given credit for hiding a cv, it was in fact another player who did this. You giving us the apparent exclusive credit for doing something that everybody in this game knows every country does, and quite frequently for that matter, seems to reveal that you have an axe to grind, and that the truth isn't giving it an edge able to cut wood.
But as for the issue of hiding a cv, let me post a reality check... On the ndisles map, you're home territory is bases 42-63, and as you advance through the home territory of country 1-21, you finally are able to capture A10, and then have to stave off the repeated attacks from C13 as it repeatedly respawns only minutes from your new base and begins shelling it. Eventually you are able to maneuver an attack force through waters constantly protected by auto puffy ack, that you will at best have only 10 minutes without enemy fighters upping in, only to find land based defenders at P14 that have upped at an uncapturable airfield with a 5k alt advantage to the south so that you can capture the port, hold it long enough to sink the cv and gain control of it.
Once you've accomplished this, you now face the reality that the two bases (one medium and one large) closest to P14 are uncapturable, and one of them offers a tremendous 5k alt advantage for your enemy to stage a counter attack from. Without a miraculous long term defensive effort against an enemy with 12 uncapturable fighter hangers, 7 uncapturable bomber hangers, and 2 uncapturable vehicle hangers that spawn into the port , not to mention 18 uncapturable barracks and 8 uncapturable ordnance bunkers, it would seem obvious that you keeping your port is highly unlikely. Despite these odds, you manage to stave off the repeated counterattacks from your enemy which is driven by the reality that he has the obvious advantage in a fight that will not only yield him 2 bases, but the opportunity to use C13 to stage a cv based counterattack at A10 almost every 20 minutes if he is successful.
Now, please explain why you and your countrymen who went to the effort to capture the port, sink the cv and defend them against counterattack, should give a rats arse whether some "idiot" wants to sail their prize to probable doom, immediately restarting the need to defend the port against an overwhelming territorial advantage, and most likely restart a constant cv assault on A10, just so that at the probable best they can "trade" C13 for another field?
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Why is it that everyone is asking a squadron that has shown it doesn't like to fight about bad sportsmanship? Do you really expect them to know what good sportsmanship is, let alone provide an answer?
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It's all relative I suppose.
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And the film you guys have on your squadron website showing how to fly through solid objects is just up there for fun?
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i seen that to and came to the conclusion that if that's an acceptable way to play acording to their command, speaks volumes in itself for the integerity of the Command. geee guys i found an exploit that allows you to fly through solid walls lets use it. did you report it in the Bug section?. Real great way to teach the new players showing him how to use an exploit. WTG :aok
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODUY5Aus6rA&feature=player_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODUY5Aus6rA&feature=player_embedded) which map and feild was that at so i can send in a bug report?
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Wow, 9 pages of arguing with idiots that have proven that they're not just incompetent cowards, but that they're unaware of being cowards and see no problem with how they play?
Talk about an exercise in futility, I'd rather try to teach a goldfish to write opera :noid.
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I appreciate you offering another explanation effectively clearing vDALLAS of this absurd charge, now do you want to provide a reasonable explanation for your discovery of the noe raid, or should the discerning reader conclude the obvious for themselves?
LOL I don't think the pope himself could rid the hatred for vDallas in this community, however there's a reason nobody is going to shed a tear over it.
I explained how I found the NOE, as my sarcasm meter runs high I will say it again - "<insert vTard name here> Told me where the NOE was" In another words - Your predictability in your game play is how I figured it out - you took a bunch of bish fields and obviously were going to switch countries to win the war - just so happens with only 3 bases to defend from, I guessed right.
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I have been flying in the various incarnations of the Devil's Brigade for almost three years now, longer than anyone else in the squad (with vDOGFITE being effectively MIA due to work for the last few months), and I can tell you that I have never seen this happen, never been part of it happening, never heard anyone suggest it, and certainly never approved of it being done. There is no common habit or practice of bailing from either fighters or bombers to avoid combat by members of our squad. Anyone who says otherwise is a liar and ignorant, plain and simple, and I challenge them to either post film or STFU.
As for CVs, we love CV attacks and CV battles. Always have and always will.
This is funny, First they Deny bailing out when I was the one who actually was confused by watching you guys turn HALF the horde around, other half were bailing out - I even called it out on range channel and I am sure a few heard me say this - Now you denied doing it, then Someone else here just admitted scrubbing the mission (so half in fact bailed/auggered), this confused the hell out of me because I've never seen such low sportsmanship in any game, I mean you guys could simply stop coming to the Main Arena if you don't want defended targets, make your own Arena and you'd never see a single defender again (no need to bail out anymore).
Man this thread wins! Thanks Guppy
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Map watching can be a very effective form of defense. Especially on small maps.
Personally I get really irritated really fast when people on my channel start blaming things on spies.
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and, about the "slight" chance of survival, sometimes its better to bail because you could have easily bailed then upped another plane in 2 seconds. id only suggest that if its a high-priced perk plane such as the 234,262 b29 ect...
roadkill. You fight, you learn. You bail, you never learn.
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Bulltoejam. You fight, you learn. You bail, you never learn.
That's it right there :aok There are guys in this Game that will help anyone and Ive never found a problem that another Pilot wouldn't help me fix,this is great comunity for those who want to learn what others know and who are willing to help :aok
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Map watching can be a very effective form of defense. Especially on small maps.
Personally I get really irritated really fast when people on my channel start blaming things on spies.
there's times when vtards are base hording (per say) and we expect another noe, i have sat in the tower looking at possible bases, then ask a couple of pigs to up from those fields and try to find an noe. as soon as we find it we call the alarm, rest bail out and we up in mass along with other knights. then we are called out as having spies. I used to think there was spies, and I am sure there is, but most of the busted noes are just because people are paying attention to the map as you say.
another favorite action of mine is kill ords at some bases, then wait for noe's from bases that still have ords. it's predictable. another predictable thing is to resupply right away, then the likelihood of noes from that base goes up.
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Well, I see you find yourself qualified to speak for both me and Waystin, choosing to find an answer from me in my request for you to let him speak for himself.
Actually changeup can speak for me. :aok
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another favorite action of mine is kill ords at some bases, then wait for noe's from bases that still have ords. it's predictable. another predictable thing is to resupply right away, then the likelihood of noes from that base goes up.
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Thats how I knew they had an NOE coming, icing on the cake is the predictable bombing of the radar, I bombed ords at 2 of their bases (tank town and A45) so I knew which base they were coming out of, I just didn't know when, so predictable.
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Actually changeup can speak for me. :aok
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Umm.... this isn't a trial, and you aren't a judge, or even a prosecutor. You're a just a run-of-the-mill hypocrite. You constantly take it on yourself to come in here and badmouth another squad for things your own squad is at least as bad about. Pigs fly in hordes. Pigs level and deack fields. The main difference is that instead of doing it in an attempt to take a base, you do it to set up a 3-hour vulch fest so you can pad your scores. It's really pathetic.
You and Fugitive (not a pig, but a hypocrite and jerk in the forums just like you) in particular make me laugh. The last time I saw either of you in-game you were flying in hordes of at least 30 aircraft. In your case it was last night at 117, you killed my M3 as we were still pushing hard to take the base in the face of dozens of defenders, as we'd been doing for at least 20 minutes (the VH had long since been taken down and popped). Which pretty much makes everything you say 100% bullcrap.
Well some lies and some silly fabrications here. I'll concede your point that it is unusual to see you fellas continue an attack when you met resistance. It is refreshing. However, I do not pad score and we care not to follow the green horde. Pigs will come at you and beat you out of the air and smash you on the ground, then when you hide in the ack, we'll destroy the ack and kill you some more. When you stop upping, then we take your field. In a nutshell you now have the Pigs modis operandi. Of note: all of this is done with plenty of warning that the pain is coming for you. In other words we value the opponents efforts at combat. Vguys have little value, as they are invisible like moles, or quickly landing after an NOE raid before folks can get to them and engage them. Prove me wrong. Let's see you guys up and let's get it on, no chest thumping or griping at you after. Let's just fight it out. What do you say? I'll PM you and let you know where we are coming from and you can up as a group. Pick two fields to operate out of. Let me know... :aok
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Thats how I knew they had an NOE coming, icing on the cake is the predictable bombing of the radar, I bombed ords at 2 of their bases (tank town and A45) so I knew which base they were coming out of, I just didn't know when, so predictable.
Lets read the thread closely shall we? You knew the noe was coming because:
1st reason you offer. vDallas pm'd you you say.... point argued and now you claim it was sarcasm...(Tralfazz the Gulliable missed the sarcasm here)
2nd reason you offer. The goon flashed town at A25 you say.... Point argued and you drop it like a hot potato...
3rd reason you offer. Our predictability of gameplay...
4th reason you offer. Ords had been either porked or resupplied
etc etc. etc.... ad infinitum
on that note, that DMGOD may not be a saint, but at least he places value in his integrity.
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Well some lies and some silly fabrications here. I'll concede your point that it is unusual to see you fellas continue an attack when you met resistance. It is refreshing. However, I do not pad score and we care not to follow the green horde. Pigs will come at you and beat you out of the air and smash you on the ground, then when you hide in the ack, we'll destroy the ack and kill you some more. When you stop upping, then we take your field. In a nutshell you now have the Pigs modis operandi. Of note: all of this is done with plenty of warning that the pain is coming for you. In other words we value the opponents efforts at combat. Vguys have little value, as they are invisible like moles, or quickly landing after an NOE raid before folks can get to them and engage them. Prove me wrong. Let's see you guys up and let's get it on, no chest thumping or griping at you after. Let's just fight it out. What do you say? I'll PM you and let you know where we are coming from and you can up as a group. Pick two fields to operate out of. Let me know... :aok
Oh I gotta be there for this...better yet, Im a big fan of JUGgler's arrangement he and Kappa made a few weeks ago with OddCAF (I think it was OddCAF...) and some of his merry marauders. Forget the land grab...lets just meet out over water...those guys can come in at whatever alt they want, lmao!
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on that note, that DMGOD may not be a saint, but at least he places value in his integrity.
:rofl :rofl Awww whew, I just pissed myself laughing.
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:rofl :rofl Awww whew, I just pissed myself laughing.
not exactly the reaction I was going for, but close...
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Lets read the thread closely shall we? You knew the noe was coming because:
1st reason you offer. vDallas pm'd you you say.... point argued and now you claim it was sarcasm...(Tralfazz the Gulliable missed the sarcasm here)
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I didnt miss anything. I knew it was sarcasm. My point being is that hes not the patron saint you guys in the squad thinks he is. Nor would ratting his own mission out even in the least bit surprise me from what Ive seen. I would dismiss it as ankle humping if it was just a small chunk of the players that have had issues with him, but were talking a great portion of the community. The best way to describe him is a "quiet" ManAwar and frankly its sad.
You fellas that are new and follow these supposed "armchair napoleons" do realize that its there fun that is more important to them. They have this uncanny ability to have you join their missions or fly in their mega squad not because of the love of the game, or even to have other players appreciate and perhaps learn something, but only a mingion to achieve their own glory. I find it quite hypocritical that these guys call others "score potatos" but yet if you ever come into contact with them, are the most timid limpwristed pansies that play the game.
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Lets read the thread closely shall we? You knew the noe was coming because:
1st reason you offer. vDallas pm'd you you say.... point argued and now you claim it was sarcasm...(Tralfazz the Gulliable missed the sarcasm here)
2nd reason you offer. The goon flashed town at A25 you say.... Point argued and you drop it like a hot potato...
3rd reason you offer. Our predictability of gameplay...
4th reason you offer. Ords had been either porked or resupplied
etc etc. etc.... ad infinitum
on that note, that DMGOD may not be a saint, but at least he places value in his integrity.
Let's go over some desired learning objectives (or DLO's) - I promise not to make this to instructional because I know plowing a corn field in what's used to be called a Hanger is a little to "advanced" for flight dynamics so lets start off:
1. vDallas PM - Tralf has been flying this game long as I have as I was a vTard with him long ago, You are diaper dung compared to him, he earned his respect and long as I known him he never slammed into a hanger for what you call "tuesday evening"
2. Only potato dropped was your lemmings unable to understand "flying next to a radar without flashing it" unfortunately what happened was Justin Bieber had another concert on MTV and sometimes stuff just happens.
3. Oh dear, your play ability is like a fat chick sitting lonely in a bar - you still ain't getting laid unless someone had way to many - and you guys always had one to many.
4. blah blah you chased to many ice cream trucks down the road, its ok to admit one put the breaks on and you slammed into his 6
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Ok, for the record the solid object fly thru was me.
The squad has nothing to do with it and it was posted strictly as fun.
If Skuzzy has a question about it. I'll man up and answer to him.
However I don't feel obligated to answer to you................. Unless you ask nicely I might.
Nuff said on that.
As far as augerin on purpose to avoid a fight goes. NOT THIS LITTLE GREY DUCK!
Now to be fair in this little vid, once I'd cleared the mob and got over the water I should have kept
running like I stole something. Bug out would be a better term. But nope, I remembered there was one friendly back there so I tried to make another pass. But that's what happens when you attack an undefended base. LOL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLoD0o5jkcc
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You don't get it do you? That decision is made by the highest ranking player in country, not the whim of the Devils Brigade. On very rare occasion does this great honor fall upon the Devils Brigade. In fact, if you were to read the forums with an open mind, you would learn that on many of the specific occasions that we have been given credit for hiding a cv, it was in fact another player who did this. You giving us the apparent exclusive credit for doing something that everybody in this game knows every country does, and quite frequently for that matter, seems to reveal that you have an axe to grind, and that the truth isn't giving it an edge able to cut wood.
But as for the issue of hiding a cv, let me post a reality check... On the ndisles map, you're home territory is bases 42-63, and as you advance through the home territory of country 1-21, you finally are able to capture A10, and then have to stave off the repeated attacks from C13 as it repeatedly respawns only minutes from your new base and begins shelling it. Eventually you are able to maneuver an attack force through waters constantly protected by auto puffy ack, that you will at best have only 10 minutes without enemy fighters upping in, only to find land based defenders at P14 that have upped at an uncapturable airfield with a 5k alt advantage to the south so that you can capture the port, hold it long enough to sink the cv and gain control of it.
Once you've accomplished this, you now face the reality that the two bases (one medium and one large) closest to P14 are uncapturable, and one of them offers a tremendous 5k alt advantage for your enemy to stage a counter attack from. Without a miraculous long term defensive effort against an enemy with 12 uncapturable fighter hangers, 7 uncapturable bomber hangers, and 2 uncapturable vehicle hangers that spawn into the port , not to mention 18 uncapturable barracks and 8 uncapturable ordnance bunkers, it would seem obvious that you keeping your port is highly unlikely. Despite these odds, you manage to stave off the repeated counterattacks from your enemy which is driven by the reality that he has the obvious advantage in a fight that will not only yield him 2 bases, but the opportunity to use C13 to stage a cv based counterattack at A10 almost every 20 minutes if he is successful.
Now, please explain why you and your countrymen who went to the effort to capture the port, sink the cv and defend them against counterattack, should give a rats arse whether some "idiot" wants to sail their prize to probable doom, immediately restarting the need to defend the port against an overwhelming territorial advantage, and most likely restart a constant cv assault on A10, just so that at the probable best they can "trade" C13 for another field?
why would you bother with this, when all you need is a 40+ person mission to take bases? Just take the base.
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Mayhem,
You've fallen victim to a lie. Do you actually believe vDALLAS would pm Butcher to rat out his own squads mission? In fact, I would be dumbfounded if any member of our squad did anything remotely similar to this that Butcher wouldn't take a screenshot of it so he could come here and use it. No screenshot, no film, and an absurd allegation. On the other hand, I really don't care what you believe, as you will clearly believe anything you choose despite the obvious staring you in the face.
No actually I haven't fallen victim to a lie ... this has nothing to do with VDallas or Butcher and I was unaware of said report, But it confirms that what I've seen isn't an Isolated incident. I've always suspected it was B.S. to send us on a wild goose chase or at best Some Disgruntled P.O.ed Vguy trying to urinate in Vdallas's favorite breakfast cereal for making him auger one to many times.
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why would you bother with this, when all you need is a 40+ person mission to take bases? Just take the base.
There often aren't even 40 countrymen online when I play... but it's easier to make a flippant remark rather than intelligently respond.
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No actually I haven't fallen victim to a lie ... this has nothing to do with VDallas or Butcher and I was unaware of said report, But it confirms that what I've seen isn't an Isolated incident. I've always suspected it was B.S. to send us on a wild goose chase or at best Some Disgruntled P.O.ed Vguy trying to urinate in Vdallas's favorite breakfast cereal for making him auger one to many times.
Did I see some one mention spying?
I don't think it's Spying when your own countryman have such an issue with your Modus operandi that they PM guys on the other side to give away missions, locations, plans ect. I think it's called "Persona Non Grata".
Of course when their own squad mates PMing sensitive Information to the opposition one has to wounder. Is it B.S. or is it a psychological tactic? Maybe PMing their own "Noe" mission to the enemy while in flight and then Mass auguring is suppose to keep us all off balance and confused?
and you were referring to?
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and you were referring to?
vNucks if these vGuys are legit and its not some B.S. Mindjob vPlan, I don't honestly vLike you all enough to vRat them out.
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vNucks if these vGuys are legit and its not some B.S. Mindjob vPlan, I don't honestly vLike you all enough to vRat them out.
and yet, you were referring to?
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and yet, you were referring to?
If you don't know, I guess maybe it isn't vCrap after all, Or your just trying to Vstir the vPot, and spread misinformation. Again I don't like you all enough to vName vNames.
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If you don't know, I guess maybe it isn't vCrap after all, Or your just trying to Vstir the vPot, and spread misinformation. Again I don't like you all enough to vName vNames.
or more likely don't have a single fact to support your "misinformation"... if you're gonna put it out there, back it up or.
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or more likely don't have a single fact to support your "misinformation"... if you're gonna put it out there, back it up or.
What facts? you want me to out right say some vPersons PMed me and Gave away a few missions? or Do you want me to name same said vPersons?
If your all not into this as some part of some plan to easily distract defenders at a later date then I guess you have some investigating to do. Because I'm not telling you squat. If their legit, I sure as heck don't want to ruin it for people by squealing. I like landing 6 and 7 kill runs in my 38. They look good, specially when I land em at a Capped base, covered by vGuys busy trying to take it from their Carrier. It Makes people think I can really fly. 8)
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What facts? you want me to out right say some vPersons PMed me and Gave away a few missions? or Do you want me to name same said vPersons?
If your all not into this as some part of some plan to easily distract defenders at a later date then I guess you have some investigating to do. Because I'm not telling you squat. If their legit, I sure as heck don't want to ruin it for people by squealing. I like landing 6 and 7 kill runs in my 38. They look good, specially when I land em at a Capped base, covered by vGuys busy trying to take it from their Carrier. It Makes people think I can really fly. 8)
Yes, name them, or admit your just full of it...
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uNucks fail.
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uNucks fail.
Please say how... Or are you just full of it as well?
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Yes, name them, or admit your just full of it...
You have some possibilities.
1) I'm as you say "Full of it" and trying to further spread a rumor I was unaware of. I really have nothing to gain from this other then Pissing you off which really I'd rather do that in the game. If I was lying then i wouldn't have an issue further lying and giving you a Name. I can even make it credible by giving a name of some Vguys I shot down a few nights ago during a mission with the date and time. After all it would be my word against theirs and he or she wouldn't be able to prove they didn't. I could start one evil little witch hunt leading to disharmony in the ranks.
2) You guys as a squad are doing this deliberately to build up a select few peoples credit with the intentions to use this "Credit" to spread disinformation as part of a plan in a mission at a later date. This really isn't to far fetched as people think. You all go on a mission you know is going to fail, or you wait to a mission goes south and is at the point you know it will fail. You have a few guys in your squad PM people about same said "mission". We all show up and you all either auger or get shot to bits and you guys cry "Spy". We think you have a disgruntlement squadmate and your countryman think they have a "spy". Some time later the people feeding us intel feed us the disinformation as you vGuys pull off the mother of all missions. IMHO this would earn some respect from me and others in the realist crowd. Cept the auguring part that was really lame and unrealistic.
3) You really have some internal political problems in your squad and all is not so well in vLand as of late.
Me personally I think it's number #2. I will probably get misled at a later date but I'll enjoy what I can get now if it's #3 I'm not going to ruin it.
Regardlessof which case it is, Please stop crying spy. We went from a 1 hour rule to a 12 hour rule and squad vox mysteriously stopped working in Late War. Every time you guys pooch a mission you cry "spy". again lets face facts. I'm not the only one this has happened to but we the opposition get PMs from your squadmates or Countryman giving intel as to what your squad is up to. this doesn't happen that frequently and sure isn't a daily occurrence but it does happen. You cannot argue your countryman don't do this specially when you go rook. Far more often some ones lack of skill give you all away and we notice the huge dar bar 2 bases behind enemy lines were their shouldn't be one that just screams "Vguy Mission!".
Heck you all try and hide the CVs and when one of your country man becomes BS intolerant and puts them back in action you cry Spy.
Just as an experiment next time you all change countries specially to rook or knight. Take a good look at the roster. announce you are changing countries then change as announced. give it about 5 to 15 minutes and take a look at the roster again. Count how many people changed countries away from the one you just changed to. You figure for every 2 persons that Left there was at least 1 that dislikes you so much that the decided to stay just to make you all miserable. People that have no problems informing people on the opposition every time vDallas calls for a mission. You know you have disgruntlement squadies every squad does at some point specially the bigger the more active and more structured you are. Spying is far less likely and far less frequent to be an issue. I bet Juggler is right and HTC got slammed with emails complaining of spys and upped the one hour rule to 12 all thanks to the actions of you and yours.
Just because people don't like you does make them a spy ... traitor maybe, but not a spy.
Just for another experiment have your entire squad and any one else you can get involved to up and fly around a rear base for about 5 minutes or just fly to and land at another friendly base. Watch how the nmy dar bars change in response.
Oh for the record If your reading this and your one of the guys feeding me or others Intel I swear on my sheep's wool I will never ever give your name up. 8) So you don't have to worry about me ratting you out now or in the future.
Please say how... Or are you just full of it as well?
Because no one is going to give you a name on the off chance this is legit (no 3) . I'm not, and If I did it sure as heck wouldn't be one of the right ones! So if you want to believe I'm full of it knock yourself out.
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BTW if spying is so damn popular maybe we should just make it part of the game. You can take on spying mission for perks if you can successfully pull of a mission and/or not get caught in a certain amount of time you win intel points and more perks. The opposition can spend some perks so many times a day to name the spy. If they are right the spy is captured and goes back to their country minus the perks and is stuck in their home country for 2 weeks before they can change or take on another spy mission, and the person that caught the spy - gets Intel points and perks.
Isn't there a v007 .... Makes ya wounder.
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You fellas that are new and follow these supposed "armchair napoleons" do realize that its there fun that is more important to them. They have this uncanny ability to have you join their missions or fly in their mega squad not because of the love of the game, or even to have other players appreciate and perhaps learn something, but only a mingion to achieve their own glory. I find it quite hypocritical that these guys call others "score potatos" but yet if you ever come into contact with them, are the most timid limpwristed pansies that play the game.
There's a lot of wisdom contained in the above!
As I read through this thread I couldn't help but laugh a little. Same ol' toejam, different day. It made me think back to the old Falcon23 days of Rolling Thunder. I still remember the time he had us all bail in our GV's because Paccer had spotted us. We gave the bastage 10 freebies instead of fighting it out as we should have. I still regret that! We were mostly noobs with no skills and we really had no idea how to develop any skills. After Falcon23 left, the WM's (Lute and Sol) took us to the DA and gave us some lessons (and an donut kicking) that I still remember and use. In the process, we all found that one of our arch enemies was actually a pretty decent guy.
Those days of impaling ourselves on a spear to take a base are long gone and so it will be with the v guys someday. They'll eventually figure it out on their own. Until then, I'll be looking for them, club in hand. :D
...and <S> vNucks, at least you got the ballz to standup for your squad in here, right, wrong, or indifferent.
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You have some possibilities.
1) I'm as you say "Full of it" and trying to further spread a rumor I was unaware of. I really have nothing to gain from this other then Pissing you off which really I'd rather do that in the game. If I was lying then i wouldn't have an issue further lying and giving you a Name. I can even make it credible by giving a name of some Vguys I shot down a few nights ago during a mission with the date and time. After all it would be my word against theirs and he or she wouldn't be able to prove they didn't. I could start one evil little witch hunt leading to disharmony in the ranks.
2) You guys as a squad are doing this deliberately to build up a select few peoples credit with the intentions to use this "Credit" to spread disinformation as part of a plan in a mission at a later date. This really isn't to far fetched as people think. You all go on a mission you know is going to fail, or you wait to a mission goes south and is at the point you know it will fail. You have a few guys in your squad PM people about same said "mission". We all show up and you all either auger or get shot to bits and you guys cry "Spy". We think you have a disgruntlement squadmate and your countryman think they have a "spy". Some time later the people feeding us intel feed us the disinformation as you vGuys pull off the mother of all missions. IMHO this would earn some respect from me and others in the realist crowd. Cept the auguring part that was really lame and unrealistic.
3) You really have some internal political problems in your squad and all is not so well in vLand as of late.
Me personally I think it's number #2. I will probably get misled at a later date but I'll enjoy what I can get now if it's #3 I'm not going to ruin it.
Regardlessof which case it is, Please stop crying spy. We went from a 1 hour rule to a 12 hour rule and squad vox mysteriously stopped working in Late War. Every time you guys pooch a mission you cry "spy". again lets face facts. I'm not the only one this has happened to but we the opposition get PMs from your squadmates or Countryman giving intel as to what your squad is up to. this doesn't happen that frequently and sure isn't a daily occurrence but it does happen. You cannot argue your countryman don't do this specially when you go rook. Far more often some ones lack of skill give you all away and we notice the huge dar bar 2 bases behind enemy lines were their shouldn't be one that just screams "Vguy Mission!".
Heck you all try and hide the CVs and when one of your country man becomes BS intolerant and puts them back in action you cry Spy.
Just as an experiment next time you all change countries specially to rook or knight. Take a good look at the roster. announce you are changing countries then change as announced. give it about 5 to 15 minutes and take a look at the roster again. Count how many people changed countries away from the one you just changed to. You figure for every 2 persons that Left there was at least 1 that dislikes you so much that the decided to stay just to make you all miserable. People that have no problems informing people on the opposition every time vDallas calls for a mission. You know you have disgruntlement squadies every squad does at some point specially the bigger the more active and more structured you are. Spying is far less likely and far less frequent to be an issue. I bet Juggler is right and HTC got slammed with emails complaining of spys and upped the one hour rule to 12 all thanks to the actions of you and yours.
Just because people don't like you does make them a spy ... traitor maybe, but not a spy.
Just for another experiment have your entire squad and any one else you can get involved to up and fly around a rear base for about 5 minutes or just fly to and land at another friendly base. Watch how the nmy dar bars change in response.
Oh for the record If your reading this and your one of the guys feeding me or others Intel I swear on my sheep's wool I will never ever give your name up. 8) So you don't have to worry about me ratting you out now or in the future.
Because no one is going to give you a name on the off chance this is legit (no 3) . I'm not, and If I did it sure as heck wouldn't be one of the right ones! So if you want to believe I'm full of it knock yourself out.
Wow, that that a lot of speculative doubletalk. Let me clear things up.
1. Obviously the case
2. We didn't initiate this, we're doing nothing more than challenging the BS allegations made against us. (ie. yours)
3. Not the case, but if so, so what?
Simply put, your internal vSpy is a figment of your imagination. It is you that is that is attempting your #2, with the blatantly obvious attempt of your #3. I call your #1.
Next, where did I cry spy? And finally, your assertion/admission that you are actively involved in receiving information from another country, for the apparent purpose of gaining an in-game advantage, is by HiTechs own explanation akin to "looking at another poker players cards" which is ????
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There often aren't even 40 countrymen online when I play... but it's easier to make a flippant remark rather than intelligently respond.
vnucks I have enough films of you flying with that many players in a mission to call you statement bs.
semp
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vnucks I have enough films of you flying with that many players in a mission to call you statement bs.
semp
Put my quote in context semp. I never claimed there were never, or even usually less that 40, only often. So I call you reading comprehension skill bs.
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Put my quote in context semp. I never claimed there were never, or even usually less that 40, only often. So I call you reading comprehension skill bs.
your quote said 40 countrymen aren't frequently online when you are, so.. if this is the case, how can you vouch for your squad's honorable behavior? You're rarely on with them by your own words. What evidence do I have? You said you fly frequently with less than 40 players on your country as a whole, meaning you can't participate regularly in the missions people are citing as proof. Or you do fly with more than the 40 so your comment is invalid, meaning you can't argue any part of it truthfully.
I see you on most often when there's a good many more than 40 on your country and in the missions like Semp said.
PS. By agreeing with Mayhem's #1 point, you also agree if he WAS lying, he would give you a name. You also agree it's a he said, she said argument, meaning you also agree you can't find the truth from the argument. All in all, that means by agreeing, you agree he's telling the truth because if he wasn't, he would lie to all of us about the name.
Reading comprehension is AWESOME.
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your quote said 40 countrymen aren't frequently online when you are, so.. if this is the case, how can you vouch for your squad's honorable behavior? You're rarely on with them by your own words. What evidence do I have? You said you fly frequently with less than 40 players on your country as a whole, meaning you can't participate regularly in the missions people are citing as proof. Or you do fly with more than the 40 so your comment is invalid, meaning you can't argue any part of it truthfully.
I see you on most often when there's a good many more than 40 on your country and in the missions like Semp said.
PS. By agreeing with Mayhem's #1 point, you also agree if he WAS lying, he would give you a name. You also agree it's a he said, she said argument, meaning you also agree you can't find the truth from the argument. All in all, that means by agreeing, you agree he's telling the truth because if he wasn't, he would lie to all of us about the name.
Reading comprehension is AWESOME.
You're wrong,look up and read the quote... Quit twisting my words and trying to put words in my mouth.
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Let's take a closer look at you post SEseph
your quote said 40 countrymen aren't frequently (I said often aren't 40) online when you are, so.. if this is the case, how can you vouch for your squad's honorable behavior)? (Because I can fly all I want, and I fly a lot, and there typically are more than 40) You're rarely on with them by your own words.(I never said that, those words are your own) What evidence do I have? You said you fly frequently with less than 40 players on your country as a whole, meaning you can't participate regularly in the missions people are citing as proof. Or you do fly with more than the 40 so your comment is invalid, meaning you can't argue any part of it truthfully. I can go to church frequently (once a week), and yet still on a typical day I go to work (Monday through Friday))
I see you on most often when there's a good many more than 40 on your country and in the missions like Semp said.(No argument there, but it no way contradicts what I said)
PS. By agreeing with Mayhem's #1 point, you also agree if he WAS lying, he would give you a name(He clearly said he wouldn't give a name in his post. All the easier for him to accuse everyone than let someone defend themselves). You also agree it's a he said, she said argument, meaning you also agree you can't find the truth from the argument. All in all, that means by agreeing, you agree he's telling the truth because if he wasn't, he would lie to all of us about the name.
Reading comprehension is AWESOME. (yeah, you should try it sometime)
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You're wrong,look up and read the quote... Quit twisting my words and trying to put words in my mouth.
I did, it said:
There often aren't even 40 countrymen online when I play... but it's easier to make a flippant remark rather than intelligently respond.
Then you said:
Put my quote in context semp. I never claimed there were never, or even usually less that 40, only often. So I call you reading comprehension skill bs.
Also you said:
Let me clear things up.
1. Obviously the case
in response to:
You have some possibilities.
1) I'm as you say "Full of it" and trying to further spread a rumor I was unaware of. I really have nothing to gain from this other then Pissing you off which really I'd rather do that in the game. If I was lying then i wouldn't have an issue further lying and giving you a Name. I can even make it credible by giving a name of some Vguys I shot down a few nights ago during a mission with the date and time. After all it would be my word against theirs and he or she wouldn't be able to prove they didn't. I could start one evil little witch hunt leading to disharmony in the ranks.
So I said:your quote said 40 countrymen aren't frequently online when you are, so.. if this is the case, how can you vouch for your squad's honorable behavior? You're rarely on with them by your own words. What evidence do I have? You said you fly frequently with less than 40 players on your country as a whole, meaning you can't participate regularly in the missions people are citing as proof. Or you do fly with more than the 40 so your comment is invalid, meaning you can't argue any part of it truthfully.
I see you on most often when there's a good many more than 40 on your country and in the missions like Semp said.
PS. By agreeing with Mayhem's #1 point, you also agree if he WAS lying, he would give you a name. You also agree it's a he said, she said argument, meaning you also agree you can't find the truth from the argument. All in all, that means by agreeing, you agree he's telling the truth because if he wasn't, he would lie to all of us about the name.
Reading comprehension is AWESOME.
I didn't twist, I'm holding you accountable for what is said by you.
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Let's take a closer look at you post SEseph
your quote said 40 countrymen aren't frequently (I said often aren't 40) online when you are, so.. if this is the case, how can you vouch for your squad's honorable behavior)? (Because I can fly all I want, and I fly a lot, and there typically are more than 40) You're rarely on with them by your own words.(I never said that, those words are your own) What evidence do I have? You said you fly frequently with less than 40 players on your country as a whole, meaning you can't participate regularly in the missions people are citing as proof. Or you do fly with more than the 40 so your comment is invalid, meaning you can't argue any part of it truthfully. I can go to church frequently (once a week), and yet still on a typical day I go to work (Monday through Friday))
Often=Frequent.
If it's frequent, then you can't fly frequently with people too, it would be a 50/50 split, meaning half the time you do the former, then 50% of the time the latter.
Going to church frequently on Sundays, when the services are typically held doesn't mean you can't go to work frequently especially on days church isn't held. (I'm not a church goer, but I doubt they have service all the time, day or night, monday through sunday.) The time and situations change allowing for the differences in frequency between the two unlinked activities.
I see you on most often when there's a good many more than 40 on your country and in the missions like Semp said.(No argument there, but it no way contradicts what I said)
You can't say most often when you state there aren't often people on. See the first rebuttal.
PS. By agreeing with Mayhem's #1 point, you also agree if he WAS lying, he would give you a name(He clearly said he wouldn't give a name in his post. All the easier for him to accuse everyone than let someone defend themselves). You also agree it's a he said, she said argument, meaning you also agree you can't find the truth from the argument. All in all, that means by agreeing, you agree he's telling the truth because if he wasn't, he would lie to all of us about the name.
Reading comprehension is AWESOME. (yeah, you should try it sometime)
You agreed with it, you said OBVIOUSLY. You didn't say OBVIOUSLY EXCEPT the name. You didn't say anything to contradict that part, you just agreed, then you back pedaled FAST when I called you on it. Critical reading means understanding what you read in the context of the register.
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vNUCKS is absolutely correct in that there are rarely 40 other players around him but that's due to him being a eunuch and running from anything with a motor.
ack-ack
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vNUCKS is absolutely correct in that there are rarely 40 other players around him but that's due to him being a eunuch and running from anything with a motor.
ack-ack
I humbly stand corrected. Thank you for setting me straight!
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Often=Frequent.
If it's frequent, then you can't fly frequently with people too, it would be a 50/50 split, meaning half the time you do the former, then 50% of the time the latter.
Going to church frequently on Sundays, when the services are typically held doesn't mean you can't go to work frequently especially on days church isn't held. (I'm not a church goer, but I doubt they have service all the time, day or night, monday through sunday.) The time and situations change allowing for the differences in frequency between the two unlinked activities.
You can't say most often when you state there aren't often people on. See the first rebuttal.
You agreed with it, you said OBVIOUSLY. You didn't say OBVIOUSLY EXCEPT the name. You didn't say anything to contradict that part, you just agreed, then you back pedaled FAST when I called you on it. Critical reading means understanding what you read in the context of the register.
There you go again... I never said "most often", I said often.
FAIL - often = frequent, but doesn't = typical or usual, get a dictionary and see for yourself... you're trying to argue semantics, and you doing it with half a wit. And I haven't back-pedaled one bit, your entire argument is senseless.
Lets try a few more examples:
You can often or frequently get a cold, but that by no way means you usually or typically have a cold, or that you spend half your time with a cold.
I often fly a Corsair, but I usually fly a pony.
There often aren't even 40 countrymen online when I play, but usually there are more than 100.
So, if you wanna quote me, quote ME, not yourself and attribute it to me.
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You agreed with it, you said OBVIOUSLY. You didn't say OBVIOUSLY EXCEPT the name. You didn't say anything to contradict that part, you just agreed, then you back pedaled FAST when I called you on it. Critical reading means understanding what you read in the context of the register.
Now lets review Mayhem's 1st possibility,
1) "I'm as you say "Full of it" and trying to further spread a rumor I was unaware of. I really have nothing to gain from this other then Pissing you off which really I'd rather do that in the game. If I was lying then i wouldn't have an issue further lying and giving you a Name. I can even make it credible by giving a name of some Vguys I shot down a few nights ago during a mission with the date and time. After all it would be my word against theirs and he or she wouldn't be able to prove they didn't. I could start one evil little witch hunt leading to disharmony in the ranks."
to which I replied.
"1. Obviously the case. "
In his same post, he also stated:
"Oh for the record If your reading this and your one of the guys feeding me or others Intel I swear on my sheep's wool I will never ever give your name up. 8) So you don't have to worry about me ratting you out now or in the future."
and you want to connect these dots to infer that:
"PS. By agreeing with Mayhem's #1 point, you also agree if he WAS lying, he would give you a name. You also agree it's a he said, she said argument, meaning you also agree you can't find the truth from the argument. All in all, that means by agreeing, you agree he's telling the truth because if he wasn't, he would lie to all of us about the name."
And I even later offered a theory as to despite his assertion that he would offer a name if he was lying, and my request for him to do so, he wouldn't.
"All the easier for him to accuse everyone than let someone defend themselves"
So... I'm done arguing with you, if you will not take the time to read and understand what I have said then there's absolutely no reason for me to even try.
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FAIL - often = frequent, but doesn't = typical or usual, get a dictionary and see for yourself... you're trying to argue semantics, and you doing it with half a wit. And I haven't back-pedaled one bit, your entire argument is senseless.
Lets try a few more examples:
You can often or frequently get a cold, but that by no way means you usually or typically have a cold, or that you spend half your time with a cold.
I often fly a Corsair, but I usually fly a pony.
There often aren't even 40 countrymen online when I play, but usually there are more than 100.
Take this to school with you tomorrow and ask your English teacher of to critique your analysis.
fre·quent·ly
[free-kwuhnt-lee] adverb - 1. constant or habitual
con·stant
[kon-stuhnt] adjective - 1. not changing or varying; uniform; regular; invariable
ha·bit·u·al
[huh-bich-oo-uhl] adjective- 1. of the nature of a habit; fixed by or resulting from habit
u·su·al
[yoo-zhoo-uhl, yoozh-wuhl] adjective - 1. habitual or customary
Let me fix this for you.
[Y]ou're trying to argue semantics, and you doing it with a half wit.
Fixed
FAIL - often = frequent, but doesn't = typical or usual, get a dictionary and see for yourself... you're trying to argue semantics, and you doing it with half a wit. And I haven't back-pedaled one bit, your entire argument is senseless.
Lets try a few more examples:
You can often or frequently get a cold, but that by no way means you usually or typically have a cold, or that you spend half your time with a cold.
I often fly a Corsair, but I usually fly a pony.
There often aren't even 40 countrymen online when I play, but usually there are more than 100.
Take this to school with you tomorrow and ask your English teacher of to critique your analysis.
This one is easier still. You agreed with it. You said obviously. He said he would not divulge the names unless he was lying and he did not. NOW what he DID do was press your buttons by making that statement. Most of us would do that to begin with, yet your infer that it means he's lying. When you give him the 'chance' to come clean and he holds his ground, the only thing it proves to YOU is he's lying. No matter his response, it would be a lie so you felt secure in your self. If one of my friends was sending me intel, or even some disgruntled person from your squad, I'd never rat them out. Mostly because they'd ask me not to do so and I agreed, I'd not be willing to break that trust. You apparently would sell anyone out so they could defend themselves, though.
It's okay, we get it, you have a need to defend your squad and that's cool, but why not take these complaints, no matter how baseless you feel they are and look into them? Normally Legend, myth, rumor and fish tails have something rooted in truth. We know your new dictator is a bad sport, we have screen shots of it. We have videos on YouTube of you guys doing things and many of us have seen it for ourselves. Just stop this withering defense and address the issues than tell us all to F off and prove you've changed. Your actions are the only thing stopping the community from embracing you.
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fre·quent·ly
[free-kwuhnt-lee] adverb - 1. constant or habitual
con·stant
[kon-stuhnt] adjective - 1. not changing or varying; uniform; regular; invariable
ha·bit·u·al
[huh-bich-oo-uhl] adjective- 1. of the nature of a habit; fixed by or resulting from habit
u·su·al
[yoo-zhoo-uhl, yoozh-wuhl] adjective - 1. habitual or customary
Let me fix this for you.
Fixed
This one is easier still. You agreed with it. You said obviously. He said he would not divulge the names unless he was lying and he did not. NOW what he DID do was press your buttons by making that statement. Most of us would do that to begin with, yet your infer that it means he's lying. When you give him the 'chance' to come clean and he holds his ground, the only thing it proves to YOU is he's lying. No matter his response, it would be a lie so you felt secure in your self. If one of my friends was sending me intel, or even some disgruntled person from your squad, I'd never rat them out. Mostly because they'd ask me not to do so and I agreed, I'd not be willing to break that trust. You apparently would sell anyone out so they could defend themselves, though.
It's okay, we get it, you have a need to defend your squad and that's cool, but why not take these complaints, no matter how baseless you feel they are and look into them? Normally Legend, myth, rumor and fish tails have something rooted in truth. We know your new dictator is a bad sport, we have screen shots of it. We have videos on YouTube of you guys doing things and many of us have seen it for ourselves. Just stop this withering defense and address the issues than tell us all to F off and prove you've changed. Your actions are the only thing stopping the community from embracing you.
Sorry, said I was done but I can't help myself. I'm usually opposed to clubbing baby seals, but this ones bark is quite annoying.
Case in point, the word I used in my original quote was "OFTEN". The word "frequently" was introduced by you when you misquoted me. But Kudo's on getting the dictionary out.
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And for the record, you keep misquoting Mayhem as well.
His first possibility again...
1) "I'm as you say "Full of it" and trying to further spread a rumor I was unaware of. I really have nothing to gain from this other then Pissing you off which really I'd rather do that in the game. If I was lying then i wouldn't have an issue further lying and giving you a Name. I can even make it credible by giving a name of some Vguys I shot down a few nights ago during a mission with the date and time. After all it would be my word against theirs and he or she wouldn't be able to prove they didn't. I could start one evil little witch hunt leading to disharmony in the ranks."
He never said he would divulge the names if he was lying, he said "then i wouldn't have an issue further lying and giving you a Name".
Please note that when I quote someone, I quote them verbatim. You, on the other hand paraphrase, and quite recklessly.
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Sorry, said I was done but I can't help myself. I'm usually opposed to clubbing baby seals, but this ones bark is quite annoying.
Case in point, the word I used in my original quote was "OFTEN". The word "frequently" was introduced by you when you misquoted me. But Kudo's on getting the dictionary out.
Sorry, here:
of·ten
[aw-fuhn, of-uhn; awf-tuhn, of-] adverb - frequently
fre·quent·ly
[free-kwuhnt-lee] adverb - 1. constant or habitual
con·stant
[kon-stuhnt] adjective - 1. not changing or varying; uniform; regular; invariable
ha·bit·u·al
[huh-bich-oo-uhl] adjective- 1. of the nature of a habit; fixed by or resulting from habit
u·su·al
[yoo-zhoo-uhl, yoozh-wuhl] adjective - 1. habitual or customary
So either Merriam-Webster is wrong, or you are when we look at this: Often=Frequent=Habitual=Usual and by how you guys react on these posts, I will be none surprised when you tell us you're right and they are wrong. I'm just the middleman, don't blame me for the definitions you failed to realize before you told me the dictionary was wrong.
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This is beginning to remind me of a Movie, A Few Good Men, where the Lawyers are just arguing trivial stuff for more face Time in the Movie..... Who's Playing Tom Cruse?
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This is beginning to remind me of a Movie, A Few Good Men, where the Lawyers are just arguing trivial stuff for more face Time in the Movie..... Who's Playing Tom Cruse?
Vnucks is - He seems the Scientology type. :D
Oh and he can't handle the truth. :lol
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This is beginning to remind me of a Movie, A Few Good Men, where the Lawyers are just arguing trivial stuff for more face Time in the Movie..... Who's Playing Tom Cruse?
My wife thinks I should be a lawyer, so if this is what they do, I might have to do just that! :aok
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btw Do you all know why I use the "Virtus Junxit Mors Non Separabit!" in my Signature?
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Sorry, here:
of·ten
[aw-fuhn, of-uhn; awf-tuhn, of-] adverb - frequently
fre·quent·ly
[free-kwuhnt-lee] adverb - 1. constant or habitual
con·stant
[kon-stuhnt] adjective - 1. not changing or varying; uniform; regular; invariable
ha·bit·u·al
[huh-bich-oo-uhl] adjective- 1. of the nature of a habit; fixed by or resulting from habit
u·su·al
[yoo-zhoo-uhl, yoozh-wuhl] adjective - 1. habitual or customary
So either Merriam-Webster is wrong, or you are when we look at this: Often=Frequent=Habitual=Usual and by how you guys react on these posts, I will be none surprised when you tell us you're right and they are wrong. I'm just the middleman, don't blame me for the definitions you failed to realize before you told me the dictionary was wrong.
Merriam Webster (online) also defines often as "many times" (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/often), and defines frequently as "at frequent or short intervals" http:(http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/frequently)
In the English language, words often have multiple definitions, and the proper definition in use is determined by context. The dictionary isn't wrong, you just don't understand context.
CLUB CLUB
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btw Do you all know why I use the "Virtus Junxit Mors Non Separabit!" in my Signature?
Whom virtue unites, death will not separate. Whew, glad I don't share your virtues.
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Whom virtue unites, death will not separate. Whew, glad I don't share your virtues.
Ahhh...argumentum ad hominem. The debate tactic of the weak minded. Dont attack the person you are arguing with...attack the argument...and so far, you are losing because you let him drag you into definitions instead of arguing the merits of your ridiculous position.
Carry on...
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Ahhh...argumentum ad hominem. The debate tactic of the weak minded. Dont attack the person you are arguing with...attack the argument...and so far, you are losing because you let him drag you into definitions instead of arguing the merits of your ridiculous position.
Carry on...
Losing? Can you even define my position? And if so, can you provide an argument to it? He's not even offered an argument to what I've said, but rather an argument to ho his own misquoted words. I figure if he want's to make a fool of himself, who am I not to oblige?
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BARK BARK
Merriam Webster (online) also defines often as "many times" (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/often), and defines frequently as "at frequent or short intervals" http:(//www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/frequently)
In the English language, words often have multiple definitions, and the proper definition in use is determined by context. The dictionary isn't wrong, you just don't understand context.
CLUB CLUB
Oh, I agree it means many different things and since you agree context dictates the meaning, you must also concede that perception of the context plays a vital role in it's meaning. With that said, because of the context and perception, I believe you are just trying to back pedal, as do many others. Many also perceive the context of your CO's letter and the squad actions as a whole, to be a sign that your squad has issues the community doesn't want in her midst, yet you still stand by those who give you a negative perception as well. If you wish to be clear so that perception doesn't have such a strong pull on the context you wish to convey, be very clear with your use of the English language or who you let speak for you.
It's good to see you didn't dispute me this time, you only disputed my perception. We're getting closer to you being more open to reality, which is a good thing.
One final thing because this has degraded thanks to you. It's a quote you might want to learn about.
"If you can't answer a man's arguments, all is not lost; you can still call him vile names.”~ E. Hubbard
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Oh, I agree it means many different things and since you agree context dictates the meaning, you must also concede that perception of the context plays a vital role in it's meaning. With that said, because of the context and perception, I believe you are just trying to back pedal, as do many others. Many also perceive the context of your CO's letter and the squad actions as a whole, to be a sign that your squad has issues the community doesn't want in her midst, yet you still stand by those who give you a negative perception as well. If you wish to be clear so that perception doesn't have such a strong pull on the context you wish to convey, be very clear with your use of the English language or who you let speak for you.
It's good to see you didn't dispute me this time, you only disputed my perception. We're getting closer to you being more open to reality, which is a good thing.
One final thing because this has degraded thanks to you. It's a quote you might want to learn about.
"If you can't answer a man's arguments, all is not lost; you can still call him vile names.”~ E. Hubbard
No I don't agree, the context was obvious. The fact that you so vehemently argued the obvious speaks volumes. And as for your follow up statements, would you like to engage in another clubbing?
And my baby seal, if you would learn to quote accurately, this would have never "degraded".
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Whom virtue unites, death will not separate. Whew, glad I don't share your virtues.
Actually I asked if you all knew "why" I use it ... not what it means or what it translates to ... I already have the translation in my signature. But your just gonna give me the 3rd degree 8).
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Actually I asked if you all knew "why" I use it ... not what it means or what it translates to ... I already have the translation in my signature. But your just gonna give me the 3rd degree 8).
Third degree? I haven't asked you a single question. (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/third%2Bdegree)
here we go again :rofl
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Third degree? I haven't asked you a single question. (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/third%2Bdegree)
why am I always beset with Ruffians on this message board. Try Wikipedia rather then websters.
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All this.... over a personal opinion regarding a flight sim???
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why am I always beset with Ruffians on this message board. Try Wikipedia rather then websters.
Just messing around... No doubt in real life life I'd gladly offer to buy you the next round (assuming of course, you bought the first :) )
(But for the record, even Wikipidia defines it as "inflicting of pain, physical or mental, to extract confessions or statements".)... oh, point taken, lol.
And by "Ruffian", I'm not sure if I should take that as an insult or compliment, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruffian_%28horse%29 .
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No I don't agree, the context was obvious. The fact that you so vehemently argued the obvious speaks volumes. And as for your follow up statements, would you like to engage in another clubbing?
And my baby seal, if you would learn to quote accurately, this would have never "degraded".
Page 227 Section 18a of The Bedford Handbook, Seventh Addition, Second paragraph ...[W]ords have connotations, emotional colorings that affect how readers respond to them. ~ If the connotation of a word does not seem appropriate for your purpose, your audience, or your subject matter, you should change the word. When a more approprate synonym does not come quickly to mind, consult a dictionary or a thesaurus.
I told you I wasn't wrong, and this, this little book that is virtually the law of the English Language Land, supports that. That is why I kept every college book I ever used.
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Guess I'm blackballed from ever being a vGuy :frown:
Oh come on I'm half tempted to offer a prize to the guy that figures this out.
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Guess I'm blackballed from ever being a vGuy :frown:
Oh come on I'm half tempted to offer a prize to the guy that figures this out.
Nucks will extent the invitation because he's trying to get people laughing with him now and make friends. Easiest way to feel secure, get lotsa people around you.
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Just messing around... No doubt in real life life I'd gladly offer to buy you the next round (assuming of course, you bought the first :) )
(But for the record, even Wikipidia defines it as "inflicting of pain, physical or mental, to extract confessions or statements".)... oh, point taken, lol.
And by "Ruffian", I'm not sure if I should take that as an insult or compliment, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruffian_%28horse%29 .
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Times three.
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Page 227 Section 18a of The Bedford Handbook, Seventh Addition, Second paragraph ...[W]ords have connotations, emotional colorings that affect how readers respond to them. ~ If the connotation of a word does not seem appropriate for your purpose, your audience, or your subject matter, you should change the word. When a more approprate synonym does not come quickly to mind, consult a dictionary or a thesaurus.
I told you I wasn't wrong, and this, this little book that is virtually the law of the English Language Land, supports that. That is why I kept every college book I ever used.
I concede SEseph, "I often" can actually read "I always" assuming the reader has an enormous prejudice and/or an abhorrent understanding of the English language. Please allow me to correct myself.
When I said "There often aren't even 40 countrymen online when I play" I apparently failed to recognize that members of my "audience" may be either enormously prejudiced and/or functionally illiterate. To accommodate these individuals, I should have said "Many times there aren't even 40 countrymen online when I play.".
Happy?
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Times three.
So now you're calling it an early night... and I was just starting to enjoy you're company. :D
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So now you're calling it an early night... and I was just starting to enjoy you're company. :D
I have a rough and rugged road to travel to the east on my way to find that which was lost.
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Nucks will extent the invitation because he's trying to get people laughing with him now and make friends. Easiest way to feel secure, get lotsa people around you.
Actually, I was trying to get them to laugh at you....
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Ownage cannot be lessened by dilution.
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I would like to relate a story to everyone here that sums up how I feel about the very valid issues that have been brought up in this thread. To preface this story let me say that I have been playing for about 6-7 years now and have done my time with all three countries but have mostly stuck with the Rooks. I think by the end of this story, you will all see the great respect and admiration I have for "most" of our community.
About four years ago I had hit a very rough spot in my life. My career had taken a turn for the worse, and my wife and I were looking like we were going to get a divorce. I was playing Aces High and trying to get my mind off of everything going on at the time. I was talking over my issues with a few friends of mine in the game and they were listening with the patience and acceptance that only a true friend could give. Of course they were trying to cheer me up but when you've gone that far down the rabbit hole of depression, discussing the problems only seems to make things worse. I had just received a letter of eviction that day and I was at my wits end. I knew that no amount of bargaining or pleading would change my landlords mind. I was being yelled at by my wife for not being able to provide the type of life she thought she deserved. I was getting notices almost everyday from this or that bill collector or from my utilities saying they were going to cut me off. This whole time my friends of AHII kept talking me down from ledge. I felt that I could do nothing right and was wondering what else could possibly go wrong. My friends in game were listening without judgement and without trying to fix my problems but were giving me exactly what I needed...a shoulder to cry on. I felt true despair that day, but the friends I had made in game were there for me. I had finally quit crying when I heard the sound of tires sliding on asphault out in front of my house, but as my office was in the back of the house I couldn't see what was happening. For that I thank whatever higher power is up there. I remembered about this time that my beloved cat, my truest friend, the only thing that never judged me or criticized me was outside. I have never known a feeling of such dread in my life. I sat at my desk frozen with fear. I heard a car door open and shut and then the car pull into my driveway. I heard someone get out of the car and start up the steps of my front porch. I got up and headed for the front as someone began to knock. I looked outside the window and saw a shiny and new, blue BMW with what looked like a dent in the front bumper. The old man at the door had taken his hat off and was holding it in front of him and was looking down with a sad expression on his face. Slowly I went to open the door,
get on the floor,
everybody walk the dinosaur!
This thread has got to rate in the history of the internet as the largest collection of half-witted drivel and personal attacks (on both sides of the issues) that has ever been posted. Here is my suggestion for both sides: Change your tampons, take two doses of Vagisil, and call me in the morning.
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GrimWulf......That was......enlightening
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Losing? Can you even define my position? And if so, can you provide an argument to it? He's not even offered an argument to what I've said, but rather an argument to ho his own misquoted words. I figure if he want's to make a fool of himself, who am I not to oblige?
Absolutely! Thoughout this thread you have attempted to defend the witnessed actions and continued SOP of the squad you are in. Additionally, but to a lesser degree, you have attempted the same with regard to your own actions. If anyone else sees his position differently, please speak up...I have no issue standing corrected.
And you are getting owned.
Friends?
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Grim...all I can say to that is wow....how embarrassing.
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Absolutely! Thoughout this thread you have attempted to defend the witnessed actions and continued SOP of the squad you are in. Additionally, but to a lesser degree, you have attempted the same with regard to your own actions. If anyone else sees his position differently, please speak up...I have no issue standing corrected.
And you are getting owned.
Friends?
Please provide examples, quotes and thoughtful analysis... Just cuz you say it don't make it so...
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Folks are going to hide CV's regardless.
You can't fix stupid.
Trying to regulate this behavior goes beyond moderation of a company's sandbox by it's employees/volunteers and borders on the realm of babysitting.
The "Hey it is my $15" argument could go round and round.
What HTC should fix, however, is the magical immunity to attack that the one map provides in a particular location. When it is rendered indestructible by these means, it most certainly takes it out of play semi-permanently and it becomes monopolized by one individual (whomever is commanding the fleet), until such time that it is removed from this state.
Let the children hide their toys but, by the same token, give the remainder of the paying customers the ability to try at the very least, attempt to retrieve it.
The way it stands now, one person can render the fleet unavailable with no chance of the other paying customers on the other two countries to have a chance of putting this particular tool back into play.
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Folks are going to hide CV's regardless.
You can't fix stupid.
Trying to regulate this behavior goes beyond moderation of a company's sandbox by it's employees/volunteers and borders on the realm of babysitting.
The "Hey it is my $15" argument could go round and round.
What HTC should fix, however, is the magical immunity to attack that the one map provides in a particular location. When it is rendered indestructible by these means, it most certainly takes it out of play semi-permanently and it becomes monopolized by one individual (whomever is commanding the fleet), until such time that it is removed from this state.
Let the children hide their toys but, by the same token, give the remainder of the paying customers the ability to try at the very least, attempt to retrieve it.
The way it stands now, one person can render the fleet unavailable with no chance of the other paying customers on the other two countries to have a chance of putting this particular tool back into play.
This I absolutely agree with!!! If the effort ain't worth it, you don't deserve it... But if effort can't accomplish it, then something is wrong.
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Folks are going to hide CV's regardless.
You can't fix stupid.
The way it stands now, one person can render the fleet unavailable with no chance of the other paying customers on the other two countries to have a chance of putting this particular tool back into play.
I agreed the one CV bug has to be changed, whether putting the CV off map makes it return to port within 30 minutes or it just sits on the edge of the map in water, however hiding a CV is a valid tactic, I don't believe in putting the CV off where it can't be sunk, however with the other list of bugs like Jeeps that can enter Tanks, people are going to exploit this for as long as the game continues.
Rank however does enable most people to keep tards off the CV's - I don't really have any on the knights I would say "literally sink" the CV's - however there's always times when you have a nice furball going and a junior admiral decides to leave a VH up and puts the CV right over a PT spawn just to get kills in a 5 inch gun.
Most of the time people don't command CV's rather just put it into play because of all the childish crap they get when a CV gets sunk - "oh you put it in range of the shore battery" or "You didn't turn it when bombers were coming". Enough of the whining, take command and move it yourself or sit down and shut up. I hear it constantly on the Knights mainly because we don't bomb VH's or Shore batteries and look for someone to blame.
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Please provide examples, quotes and thoughtful analysis... Just cuz you say it don't make it so...
Please...this thread is loaded with it. Just because you deny it doesn't mean you didn't do it.
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A whole squad auguring because they got spotted? Holy crap, that's like, uh, the most rediculous and lame thing I've ever heard of. What kind of limp wristers are flying these days? Amazing you could actually recruit that much suck into one squad.
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Amazing you could actually recruit that much suck into one squad.
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I played AH for many years and have had the privilege of flying with a host of great guys. I left the community about a year ago for reasons and I won’t try and hijack this thread to explain.
My point being, there is still way to many adolescents in this game. Hiding CV’s would be the equivalent of taking all of your airplanes to the extreme side of the map so you don’t lose any.
If that were possible I am sure the same behavior would ensue do to the average mentality of these kinds of players all the while claiming “If the game allows you to do it then it’s an expectable strategy” whine.
I can tell you how to fix it though, not that it will ever get implemented. Place borders on the map for CV’s and once the CV crosses that line, the ENY for the supporting country continues to climb every 5 minutes until the CV is back in play.
I bet you would see a community effort to keep them in play.
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I had pitched this idea to CH a couple years ago but they didn't say much. Just this past week they bought the idea from me, saying they now had a marketable consumer base in need of this most excellent product.
(http://i379.photobucket.com/albums/oo237/grizz441/snowboard-wrist-guard-samp2.jpg)
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Please...this thread is loaded with it. Just because you deny it doesn't mean you didn't do it.
I haven't bothered denying, I've simply asked you to support your claim... If as you say "this thread is loaded with it" you should have no problem doing so.
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1.) How many perk points do you get when you win "The War of Words" ?
2.) Whow decides whom has won ?
3.) What's wrong with you guys ?
4.) Aint this a great game ?
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In this world of constant change and financial roller coasters it is somewhat refreshing to come back to a community where some of its participants still remain unwavering to the continued request and contrary views of their fellow AH enthusiast.
(http://o.b5z.net/i/u/10095434/i/Herd_Mental.jpg)
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In this world of constant change and financial roller coasters it is somewhat refreshing to come back to a community where some of its participants still remain unwavering to the continued request and contrary views of their fellow AH enthusiast.
(http://o.b5z.net/i/u/10095434/i/Herd_Mental.jpg)
That sword has two edges, be careful using it.
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That is one thing I completely agree with you on VNUCKS.
I haven’t flown with you but you seem to be a fairly intelligent guy with a few resources going for you.
Just out of curiosity, Why the continued participation of something so disliked by the community? If you have the power within your group to change this activity, why not try it and see what kind of support you get from your fellow gamers.
You never know what might come your way in the future or at least the respect your squad will earn for at least giving it a try. Don’t allow sarcasm and inappropriate responses to your post to govern your activity.
Be the bigger guy. It’s in you. Try it. I am sure your squad would make a different decision if they weren’t called upon to constantly defend themselves over this.
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1.) How many perk points do you get when you win "The War of Words" ?
Slightly less than winning the war, but not as many as winning the whine war.
2.) Whow decides whom has won ?
It's a secret ballot
3.) What's wrong with you guys ?
Where do we start?
4.) Aint this a great game ?
The Freaking Best!! :aok
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I haven't bothered denying, I've simply asked you to support your claim... If as you say "this thread is loaded with it" you should have no problem doing so.
We can do this little ridiculous dance all day, lol..I won't re-write the thread for ya...denial is a poor mans sword. It's all over the thread. You are using the same tactic tactic my kids use...."prove it" or "show me"...I don't need to because I watched you do it.
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This topic of hiding the CVs is kind of like a painful rectal itch. It's usually caused by some fellow travellers that probably require excision.
That said, I just LOVE anything that throws a lit butt into the rattler pile. I think the VTards should start having squads taxi into hardened bunkers (can we have some please?) so they can avoid being lost to enemy fire. They could sit in there revving their engines while commenting on the cleverness of their strategy.
"Oh yes, vBiff, we've got Johnny Knight truly vexed now!"
"Too right, vSpliff... I can just hear him sputtering overhead" < titter, titter>
Then, if we could have the countermeasure of the perked bunkerbuster, we could wipe that smile of Johnny Rook's piehole. Of course, the game would've morphed into some twisted facsimile that no longer had anything to do with anything hyster... historical, but that doesn't seem to be the point, does it?
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That is one thing I completely agree with you on VNUCKS.
I haven’t flown with you but you seem to be a fairly intelligent guy with a few resources going for you.
Just out of curiosity, Why the continued participation of something so disliked by the community? If you have the power within your group to change this activity, why not try it and see what kind of support you get from your fellow gamers.
You never know what might come your way in the future or at least the respect your squad will earn for at least giving it a try. Don’t allow sarcasm and inappropriate responses to your post govern your activity.
Be the bigger guy. It’s in you. Try it. I am sure your squad would make a different decision if they weren’t called upon to constantly defend themselves over this.
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Thank you, I appreciate your kind words.
LOL how many times has he PMd you to say something utterly ridiculous? i guess there is one small upside to being a vNOTHING
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I will take pleasure in repeatedly quoting you on this. For now on when I'm asked why I fly with the Devils, all I need to say is it was the only way I could get vDALLAS to quit pming me.
:rofl :rofl :rofl
I continue with my squad because I enjoy it, and frankly don't consider the objections of the loudest most repeated, and "often"... er "many times" most disrespectful voices to genuinely reflect the communities likes/dislikes. And as for inappropriate responses, I think you will find that my responses do not contain maliciously intentional misquotes or fabricate absurd allegations. Sarcasm, ok... I may be guilty of it, but I'm far from the most grievous offender.
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We can do this little ridiculous dance all day, lol..I won't re-write the thread for ya...denial is a poor mans sword. It's all over the thread. You are using the same tactic tactic my kids use...."prove it" or "show me"...I don't need to because I watched you do it.
I'm not asking you to rewrite it, nor have I denied it. I've only asked you to support your claims. If as you say you've watched me do it, it should be easy for you to support your claims. This "dance" can end right now by you supporting your claims.
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I'm not asking you to rewrite it, nor have I denied it. I've only asked you to support your claims. If as you say you've watched me do it, it should be easy for you to support your claims. This "dance" can end right now by you supporting your claims.
He said he saw it.
He did not say he recorded it.
What type of proof would be required to "support" it?
You don't believe him when he says he saw it?
Thats pretty much calling him a liar.
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He said he saw it.
He did not say he recorded it.
What type of proof would be required to "support" it?
You don't believe him when he says he saw it?
Thats pretty much calling him a liar.
Absolutely! Thoughout this thread you have attempted to defend the witnessed actions and continued SOP of the squad you are in. Additionally, but to a lesser degree, you have attempted the same with regard to your own actions. If anyone else sees his position differently, please speak up...I have no issue standing corrected.
And you are getting owned.
Friends?
Key words, "Throughout this thread"...
now let him speak for himself...
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I've been on vacation. When I read this thread I lol'd often.
One of the problems with a big squad is that one end has no idea what the other end is doing.
It usually comes down to the lowest common denominator when folks refer to a squads habbits.
No matter what others do, you can always choose what squad you want to be in. If you find yourself defending it often then you might want to consider a change, or not. :)
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Key words, "Throughout this thread"...
now let him speak for himself...
vnucks have you noticed that 99.53% of the players say the same thing about your squad? so either 99.53% are a bunch of liars, or you are trying to defend a...
whoopee it vnucks, dont take it personal, but we saw you guys auger on two different bases last night. noe at 102 from a cv, divecrashed into the hangars then bailed out when there was no chance of getting the base. then at another base (too drunk to remember the number)) when we upped in mass to counter your noe. those who didnt divecrash the hangars dissapeared out of thin air.
so vnucks, serously pay attention to your squad and you will see that happens a lot.
semp
semp
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vnucks have you noticed that 99.53% of the players say the same thing about your squad? so either 99.53% are a bunch of liars, or you are trying to defend a...
whoopee it vnucks, dont take it personal, but we saw you guys auger on two different bases last night. noe at 102 from a cv, divecrashed into the hangars then bailed out when there was no chance of getting the base. then at another base (too drunk to remember the number)) when we upped in mass to counter your noe. those who didnt divecrash the hangars dissapeared out of thin air.
so vnucks, serously pay attention to your squad and you will see that happens a lot.
semp
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This whole thing with vNucks reminds me a little of "Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee". This is not to speak badly of him - just to say there may be unendorsed actions taken by indivduals in his squad.
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I'm not asking you to rewrite it, nor have I denied it. I've only asked you to support your claims. If as you say you've watched me do it, it should be easy for you to support your claims. This "dance" can end right now by you supporting your claims.
I make no claim. My support are your entries in this thread. Dance over
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vnucks have you noticed that 99.53% of the players say the same thing about your squad? so either 99.53% are a bunch of liars, or you are trying to defend a...
whoopee it vnucks, dont take it personal, but we saw you guys auger on two different bases last night. noe at 102 from a cv, divecrashed into the hangars then bailed out when there was no chance of getting the base. then at another base (too drunk to remember the number)) when we upped in mass to counter your noe. those who didnt divecrash the hangars dissapeared out of thin air.
so vnucks, serously pay attention to your squad and you will see that happens a lot.
And the hits just keep on coming.....
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I make no claim. My support are your entries in this thread. Dance over
Then show how those entries support you claims, as clearly they don't.
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Then show how those entries support you claims, as clearly they don't.
Weak answer.... Now your asking someone to do your work for you....I won't. Dance over...just quit now....that would work in the same fashion as your squad raids...just bail
Friends?
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Weak answer.... Now your asking someone to do your work for you....I won't. Dance over...just quit now....that would work in the same fashion as your squad raids...just bail
Friends?
I've done my work, with many careful quotes, citations from outside sources, careful understanding and analysis of my opponents position, etc. etc. etc. And all you've done is repeat, evade, and misdirect...
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I've done my work, with many careful quotes, citations from outside sources, careful understanding and analysis of my opponents position, etc. etc. etc. And all you've done is repeat, evade, and misdirect...
My evidence is your careful quotes, citations, and analysis. Nice attempt though. Keep quoting and understanding your opponents position please because so far it's served you well, lol
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My evidence is your careful quotes, citations, and analysis. Nice attempt though. Keep quoting and understanding your opponents position please because so far it's served you well, lol
LOL, your unwillingness to support your claims proves their unworthiness...
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A whole squad auguring because they got spotted? Holy crap, that's like, uh, the most rediculous and lame thing I've ever heard of. What kind of limp wristers are flying these days? Amazing you could actually recruit that much suck into one squad.
Remember that one time I convinced the squad to fly 262s low and slow, and then I vectored Citabria to our location? <snicker>
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Remember that one time I convinced the squad to fly 262s low and slow, and then I vectored Citabria to our location? <snicker>
We once had a kid use his .45 on another squaddie. It happened on the ground after both had bailed. This kid decided to dispatch his elder squaddie just out of whatevah. It was an ugly end to a particularly bad FSO for the squad. Everyone had their JU88s shot out from under 'em.