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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: JB42 on August 06, 2010, 09:26:53 PM
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This game has become a shell of what it used to be. I have been flying this game since 2000, less and less often as time goes buy. It doesn't suprise me why those that leave do. What Happened? It has devolved into just one mass of planes flying into another. There are no tactics, strategy, no reason other than fly into one area of the map and hope you can get a kill or two before being raped.
You made the bases harder to capture and the planes easier to fly. There is no emmersion anymore. I feel like everytime I takeoff, I should put a quarter in my computer. Its gone from a combat flight sim and real time strategy to an arcade game.
I remember when I couldn't wait to get home and fly. I even went to a couple of cons to meet those who i flew against or with. Now it's just a facebook account to keep in touch with some of the older fliers. Even their numbers are starting to dwindle.
For now I continue to play, but not with the same enthusiasm as I had in the past. Not nearly the entusiasm as I had in the past.
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There is a Scenario tomorrow Sat @ 3pm EST. If you have the time, come check it out.
I remember the fights I've had with you over the years as they are still the most memorable...especially when you and another JB# would team up.
Good times that I hope to continue to experience with you in the future. Hope you find what you are looking for very soon.
<S>
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Why you're blaming your own boredom on someone else is beyond me.
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I don't recall using the word bored.
Thanks Kermit <S>, those were good times indeed. I remember when I wouldn't miss a scenerio, and FSO or even a snapshot. Now, tomorrow I will be golfing. Sorry I can't make it.
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Take a break for a week, you'll be really happy when you get back :old:
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I've been taking breaks foorm months Mach, and every time I come back, another piece of the old AH dies inside me.
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There are no tactics, strategy, no reason other than fly into one area of the map and hope you can get a kill or two before being raped.
Well your saying there are no tactics and your are being outnumbered, try to learn/create tactics for multi-enemy engagement.
Or change the airplane that you fly, learn to master a new plane.
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This game has become a shell of what it used to be. I have been flying this game since 2000, less and less often as time goes buy. It doesn't suprise me why those that leave do. What Happened? It has devolved into just one mass of planes flying into another. There are no tactics, strategy, no reason other than fly into one area of the map and hope you can get a kill or two before being raped.
You made the bases harder to capture and the planes easier to fly. There is no emmersion anymore. I feel like everytime I takeoff, I should put a quarter in my computer. Its gone from a combat flight sim and real time strategy to an arcade game.
I remember when I couldn't wait to get home and fly. I even went to a couple of cons to meet those who i flew against or with. Now it's just a facebook account to keep in touch with some of the older fliers. Even their numbers are starting to dwindle.
For now I continue to play, but not with the same enthusiasm as I had in the past. Not nearly the entusiasm as I had in the past.
Don't think theres much wrong with the game but HTC can't control fully how people choose to do things, if he could he'd probably make us empty our bank accounts :D
I don't understand how the planes are easier to fly? or how making a base harder to capture leads to the game feeling more arcade like? :headscratch:
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Why you're blaming your own boredom on someone else is beyond me.
For anyone who hasn't been playing this game for at least 7 years you just wouldn't understand.
I know, ya'll say I look at this game through a fogged memory, but it has changed a lot since the old days. Back then you could have an uneven numbered situation like 5 on 2, and 2 or 3 of the 5 would just circle and watch the fight and only join in if one of his teammates got shot down.
"Bingo" meant I'm out and the enemy gave you a salute and told you head see ya when you can back, instead of chasing you down with 12 of his closest friends just so one of you could have the kill.
You would spend hours fighting the same 10 guys over and over a gain and nobody would be PMing or swearing over 200. Even the good natured "ribbing" was done with a bunch of laughs.
The only frustration in the game was when you had to make a run to the bathroom because you just couldn't hold it any longer.
It is much harder to find a good fight these days and I really enjoy those that I find. My frustration level climbs quickly when those few fights are destroyed by some Ahole that just NEEDS the kill and has to pick, or HO. It seems to me that some of that has come back with the changes HTC has made. Is it better, yes, is it like it use to be, not even close, but I'll take what I can get and hope things continue to improve. Until then my wife likes having me hang around with her more than I fly. :cry
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I will agree, I also have played off and on since 2000 and I would give anything to have AH1 back. Im not saying the new version of the game is bad, graphics wise it is nothing short of kick azz.. But I agree that the game has evolved over the years and strayed from what I think it was intended to be. Can't even get a decent fight in MW anymore. I mean, in an arena with only 30 players do all the hangers at a Vbase or Airfield need to be taken down? I miss the skill and finess that was once used. A player on another country made a comment that just made me laugh earlier when he said they are "working smarter not harder" by using a carrier to take all the hangers down at a Vbase that we had just captured 15 minutes earlier hangers up. No horde needed and was not a 15 - 3 fight either. The game has turned more into a 'capture the flag at all costs" and isnt as fun as it was.
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The base capture mechanics are more difficult, which leads for the need to have a horde instead of a few skilled playes to capture a base. Not only are the planes easier to fly, they introduced a bunch of easy-mode planes to pile on.
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I've been playing for about 5 years now and I agree for the most part. I thought the planes have always been a bit to gamey but I've been willing to overlook it for the most part. However, I fully agree that the game play has declined in recent years.
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Having started during the Beta (Open) back in Aug or Sept of 1999, there have been many many changes to Aces High.
I laughed when they allowed folks to fly with a mouse ... a mouse!! I thought to myself, what has happened.
I remember many things back in the day, many good things, maybe a couple of things I just totally hated...but I don't remember them now. The reason, is I know Dale (HiTech) and his team are working very hard to provide us a gaming environment, like some, but unlike many. It is evolving over time, growing...with growing pains. The pain lessens if we grow with it.
Frankly, there was a time that squad operations were frowned on, then the zones were changed (terrain) and capturing fields did X instead of Y..... then there were more than one arena. People hated the night....I LOVED the NIGHT!!! Weather, clouds, waves, wind, a sun that moves...folks to meet and also folks to shoot that can and do shoot back.
Honestly, if we were back in the day with 7 or 8 planes, an M3, and one terrain...and dogfights that were with 10 or 12 folks...we wouldn't be having this conversation some 11 years later. (for me)
I can't disagree with anyone who has an opinion contrary to me, but I for one accept and like most changes. The newer graphics, GVs, fleets...and Scenario's keep me going. The WWI Arena is fun, but like my old Air Warrior days, those were "special" times our squad had a private party and arranged the Arena be closed! Thanks to Mage!
Keep up the great work HTC. I also like the fact that every release they have "ever" done, best I recall, had patches out in days or less....that doesn't happen either. Here it's the norm. Yes, I am a happy customer.
:rock
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For whatever it's worth, I've been here really for less than a year. I was here a few camps after AW died and drifted away, it just didn't feel like home to me then, now it does. Since then, I've been here less than two years. My feeling of the game and the players isn't any different than it's been since the early AOL AW, before it went all you can eat. The feeling changed since then, but it has felt the exact same to me through AW2 on Gamestorm and AW3 and all that. AH hasn't seemed any little bit different to me in my time here. There are people you can count on to fly with bushido, and then there's everyone else. It's always been that way. The majority are after kills only and not fights, that's been the case since the days of the small pac arena in AW in my experience. Everything else since then has been the exact same, just with larger numbers of people. I don't see any difference in the game at all, and despite being new to AH again, I knew what to look for.
You have to just learn to treasure the bushido fighters, the Samurai players, and accept the rest as the chaff man. The magic is still there, it's just harder for you to see it these days, your vision is clouded by time is all.
I'd say that the change has probably taken place within you. I was there after AW, nothing felt right at all, it all just suddenly seemed tedious to me. I took ten years off and feel invigorated again. I'm not saying take a decade off like that, but take some time man, give yourself a set period, 3 months or 6 say, or even longer if necessary. Long enough that you need to re-acclimate when you get back. You'll feel new and excited all over again.
This past year and a half or so since I've been back have hooked me like AW did originally. I can't wait to get home and play every day, and I grumble at the girlfriend when she wants to spend time with me and keeps me off AH. It's just as addictive as it first was for me the day I read Brooke's manual for AW back in the day. Sometimes you just need a break, you might be there now.
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Overall, I'm satisfied with Aces High and for obvious reasons my wife is not. It keeps me busy, its cheap (well, the subscription is, not all the gear I want to play) and I could think of far worse things to do with my time.
JB42, I would urge you to take a break from AH. A few months, a year; don't even think about coming back until you have forgotten more about AH than you remember.
I will agree with you on one point, the community has definitely changed. Instead of the older crew who came from Airwarrior and Warbirds who were around in the infancy of online game-play (before the 'fail' and 'pwn' attitudes), we have many more young people. Many of these younger people don't know a time before online gaming and don't know how to meet/greet people outside of virtual reality. Instead of treating people in the game as comrades they may even eventually meet like the old timers did in flight sims, they'd rather use the game as an ego booster. Please, I'm not saying all younger players are like this but it is much more pervasive than it ever was in the past. Regardless, Aces High needs these players if it wants to continue to exist and it is up to the old timers to help out the younger ones.
I cannot take credit for the idea presented in the last paragraph, one old timer brought up the point to me (another old timer).
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For anyone who hasn't been playing this game for at least 7 years you just wouldn't understand.
I know, ya'll say I look at this game through a fogged memory, but it has changed a lot since the old days. Back then you could have an uneven numbered situation like 5 on 2, and 2 or 3 of the 5 would just circle and watch the fight and only join in if one of his teammates got shot down.
"Bingo" meant I'm out and the enemy gave you a salute and told you head see ya when you can back, instead of chasing you down with 12 of his closest friends just so one of you could have the kill.
You would spend hours fighting the same 10 guys over and over a gain and nobody would be PMing or swearing over 200. Even the good natured "ribbing" was done with a bunch of laughs.
The only frustration in the game was when you had to make a run to the bathroom because you just couldn't hold it any longer.
It is much harder to find a good fight these days and I really enjoy those that I find. My frustration level climbs quickly when those few fights are destroyed by some Ahole that just NEEDS the kill and has to pick, or HO. It seems to me that some of that has come back with the changes HTC has made. Is it better, yes, is it like it use to be, not even close, but I'll take what I can get and hope things continue to improve. Until then my wife likes having me hang around with her more than I fly. :cry
Well said Fugi
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I will agree with you on one point, the community has definitely changed. Instead of the older crew who came from Airwarrior and Warbirds who were around in the infancy of online game-play (before the 'fail' and 'pwn' attitudes), we have many more young people. Many of these younger people don't know a time before online gaming and don't know how to meet/greet people outside of virtual reality. Instead of treating people in the game as comrades they may even eventually meet like the old timers did in flight sims, they'd rather use the game as an ego booster. Please, I'm not saying all younger players are like this but it is much more pervasive than it ever was in the past.
Well duh. We got old and there are new young players outnumbering us. What did you expect? The game hasn't changed, the way it's played has changed. Surprise!
The TV shows and movies aren't any good these days either. Kids don't respect their elders. When I went to school I had to walk a mile in the snow and my parents beat me if I was late for dinner....
Give me a break. Don't blame the game because it doesn't match your memories of the halcyon days of yesteryear.
- oldman
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JB42, I hear what you're saying but situations evolve.
HTC is a business...any business needs to grow and growth often requires change. What attracted you to AH back in 1999 when there were (who knows...2,000?) number of subscribers, has now, according to your perception, moved in another direction. It boils down to a business dynamic that changes over time, and HTC, in order to remain profitable...needs to change with it. Let's face it, Dale & Doug have been around a long time, and no doubt have the statistics and inside info needed to make qualified decisions as to where they need to progress the game...so as to stay solvent and remain in business.
Having to been to 6 Cons, and attending the Q&A's, I can tell you that Hitech and Pyro are sensitive and aware as to the wants of the majority. Every change made entails a consequence...some make players happy; others piss 'em off. Bottom line...nothing comes about short of well thought out planning.
A lot of us think back to the "good old days". Mine were the discovery of a WW2 flight sim for Mac users back in 1996...it was called Air Warrior/Mac. It lasted about 2 years, if that. Keep the faith...life goes on and it usually gets better.
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A lot tougher to find 1v1s now with the large radar rings that's for sure.
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Yeah, you cant fight this thing JB...in a macrocosm our fathers went through it. Our fathers fathers went through it. We are going through it. Our kids will go through it. Bottom line: Times change. Either find your little niche in the current way of things and stick with it, or just go find some quiet little place and get the hell out of the way, watch time pass by.
Absolutely no point in fighting it. Or complaining. God knows we dont need any more whining.
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hope everything goes back to normal for you JB <S> :salute
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Keep the faith...life goes on and it usually gets better.
Bahahahahahaaaa. Just keep taking those pills.
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some of the best beat downs i ever had was against you and #11.
hard to beat on a good day.
I have said in a prior post that what had my attention when i got here somewhere around tour 74 does not serve me well now
and i guess after reading some of the posts it has more to do with the way the game has changed over the years.
the only thing i like to do with bombers now is shoot them down and with the current hoard like mentality, base capture is kind of a joke. seems that it takes so many people to take 1 base that there is not much of a fight, just a huge smack down and it's a minor miracle if the base goes down.
I keep changing how i play the game just to keep it fun but im running out of things to change.
as a kid i dreamed about a game like this so i will always try to play at some level but it's like everything else in life, every time something is changed for the better it makes something else worse.
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froger
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I think the main consequence of the changes in regards to strategy. In the off hours a handful of guys can no longer quickly grab back what the horde took the night before.
When the numbers are scaled back it is easier for the defenders to cope. When there are 20+ guys all working the same objective the defenders need to get up and in their faces early enough to break the hordes morale. The extended radar gives you a little extra warning and they can't run NOE. This is why you see the the first guy go augering into the radar as the first strike.
As a community it is more important than ever to help balance the teams so it doesn't happen every day. I've changed my own squadron rules to facilitate more flexibility. If others do the same then we can cure the problem ourselves.
yesterday we fought between the same 2 bases for 7 hours and not once did anyone resort to checking town for M3's neither side got close. These drawn out battles is what I strive for and not endless cheap captures.
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I think the main consequence of the changes in regards to strategy. In the off hours a handful of guys can no longer quickly grab back what the horde took the night before.
When the numbers are scaled back it is easier for the defenders to cope. When there are 20+ guys all working the same objective the defenders need to get up and in their faces early enough to break the hordes morale. The extended radar gives you a little extra warning and they can't run NOE. This is why you see the the first guy go augering into the radar as the first strike.
As a community it is more important than ever to help balance the teams so it doesn't happen every day. I've changed my own squadron rules to facilitate more flexibility. If others do the same then we can cure the problem ourselves.
yesterday we fought between the same 2 bases for 7 hours and not once did anyone resort to checking town for M3's neither side got close. These drawn out battles is what I strive for and not endless cheap captures.
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Well duh. We got old and there are new young players outnumbering us. What did you expect? The game hasn't changed, the way it's played has changed. Surprise!
The TV shows and movies aren't any good these days either. Kids don't respect their elders. When I went to school I had to walk a mile in the snow and my parents beat me if I was late for dinner....
Give me a break. Don't blame the game because it doesn't match your memories of the halcyon days of yesteryear.
- oldman
I think if you read most of the responses thats exactly what is being said. For the most part if you could bring back the mentality of AH1 with the current game platform AH would be hands down the best game on the market. And im not just talking flight combat games.
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This place has been nothing but change, in fact change has been the one constant that you could count on when talking about Aces High. I go back to the first beta, back in 99, and even then it was constantly changing.
The more they added, the more popular it got the faster it changed.
The more other sims around it collapsed, the bigger the community got, the faster it changed.
You can't stop it, and a sim or game that doesn't change is dead in less than 2 years.
Take that as a given.
The only thing you can do is either learn to work with the change, or walk away.
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JB, don't give up. I took about a six month break last year. Now, instead of playing 80-120 hours a month like I used to I get anywhere from 10-40 hours in. I find the game generaly enjoayable when I get my limited play time and a few good fights are still out there.
I had a fight one day not too long ago with kappa while I think it was Slash just circled overhead. Still enough to distract me on occasion but it was nice to see him let us have our one on one.
As to the game changing it is/was inevitable. Back in AW there were only three capturable bases. With no base capture element to speak of there really was nothing else but the fight. There was no point in hoards and if there was one, well, it became a furball. It's what all us old timers learned and why we are always longing for those days.
When AH came along with a full base capture/win the war mechanism it was inevitable that the game would change to accomodate those that were drawn by that element. Most of us old guys didn't care and therefore early AH wasn't much different than what we were used to but over time we were/are being outnumbered by those drawn to this aspect of gameplay. In that environment hoards and NOE's make perfect sense.
I'm thankful every day I play for the new guys who come into the game wanting to learn ACM and play dogfighter. Unfortunately they are the few among the many but they are there. As old timers we need to remain to encourage as many of these to continue in their development as possible and to carry forward the old dog-fighting traditions.
Don't give up. Log on, jump around the map to find the type of fight you want then go teach a few youngsters a lesson or two. :D
One more thing: Last night Nits were haording a Bish base in pink. I upped a 262. I only managed two kills but by the time I left the entire hoard had vanished. Once I left they reappeared and I made the mistake of re-arming and going back where I lawn-darted my 262. Regardless, one player can bust up these hoards pretty effectively.
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I agree the game has changed, and for the better. More planes, more GV's, better graphics, tweaking the code for the game to run smoother, better servers so connectivity is stronger, terrain changes and so on, but had we the same "type" of people playing as we did 10 years ago this game would still be the same for all of us old timers. The thrill would still be there that we had back then, the drive to get better and so on.
The community change is the one that has hurt game play, but not HTC's pockets though :P The "problem" if you want to call it that, is the goals of todays players are much more different than those of the players of the old days. The old days the game was all about the fights In fighters there were less gangs and HOs and more respect for the fight. You just didn't dive in on a 2 on 1 and make it 3 on one, never mind 6 and 7 on 1 like today. Sure there was spawn camping in the GVs, but more often than not the battles were in between the spawn and the base under attack much like furballs use to develop half way between two bases. Fights for bases lasted hours and used buffs, fighters, and GVs all at the same time. GVs rarely got bombed because the fighters and buffs were too busy fighting each other to look down at what was going on there.
Todays community is all for the kill, the quickest and easiest way possible. Spawn camping is the norm, and the only way they are busted is by dive bombing lanc's. Fighters run away from fights because they must get the bombs to the base so they can take another base to win the war TODAY.... like that ever happens. Bombers spend more time dive bombing targets.... and then bailing, than ever before. Everything is "hurry up and do this, and hurry up and grab that. They don't play the game for the thrill of the game, they play it to win the war.
The recent changes have turn thing back a bit I think. Towns are so big and spread out that they can't be rolled as quick any more. NOE's are cut way back so again bases can't be rolled any more. I think some of these players are going to realize that to take bases well they are going to have to co-ordinate better, work as a team better, make everyone accountable for their bit of the mission and teach them how to do their bit of the mission. Gone are the days when you and 20 of your closes friends can come in and if total as a team you hit 30% of your targets you still get the base. No I think they will have to be much better at it than that, timing will come into play, the strategy I think is back into the game. Will they start having escorts for the bombers to get through, will the GV fights spring up away from the bases as teams work to flank enemy tanks, only time will tell.
I plan on sticking around to see how it all works out.
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I think the main consequence of the changes in regards to strategy. In the off hours a handful of guys can no longer quickly grab back what the horde took the night before.
When the numbers are scaled back it is easier for the defenders to cope. When there are 20+ guys all working the same objective the defenders need to get up and in their faces early enough to break the hordes morale. The extended radar gives you a little extra warning and they can't run NOE. This is why you see the the first guy go augering into the radar as the first strike.
As a community it is more important than ever to help balance the teams so it doesn't happen every day. I've changed my own squadron rules to facilitate more flexibility. If others do the same then we can cure the problem ourselves.
yesterday we fought between the same 2 bases for 7 hours and not once did anyone resort to checking town for M3's neither side got close. These drawn out battles is what I strive for and not endless cheap captures.
I'm totally with you on that one, the fights lately have been great and not just futilely trying to fend off base rolling hordes.
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I think the main consequence of the changes in regards to strategy. In the off hours a handful of guys can no longer quickly grab back what the horde took the night before.
When the numbers are scaled back it is easier for the defenders to cope. When there are 20+ guys all working the same objective the defenders need to get up and in their faces early enough to break the hordes morale. The extended radar gives you a little extra warning and they can't run NOE. This is why you see the the first guy go augering into the radar as the first strike.
As a community it is more important than ever to help balance the teams so it doesn't happen every day. I've changed my own squadron rules to facilitate more flexibility. If others do the same then we can cure the problem ourselves.
yesterday we fought between the same 2 bases for 7 hours and not once did anyone resort to checking town for M3's neither side got close. These drawn out battles is what I strive for and not endless cheap captures.
Looks more like DA lake to me now. If you want a fight you really have no choice but to join the horde attacking an enemy base or try to fight off the horde attacking one of your bases. Fine for the players who like to fly with the squad and enjoy big furballs but for the lone wolf it's a lot tougher to find any kind of small fight. And while I do enjoy a big furball I just don't want to do it all the time.
2 examples:
-- Previously if I couldn't find a smaller fight I'd fly on the edge of a big fight and drag a con off for a 1v1. Had some some success with this, not necessarily with winning the fight but could usually wind with a 1v1. Now with the radar rings overlapping the bases there really are no edges.
-- V-Base fights. The old V-bases were easier to take so there was some profit to be had by sending in one or two planes to attack one. So one defender could fly over and find some action. Or you could fly a single plane in at a V-base and be pretty sure someone was upping at the nearest air-base to try to come over to defend. Now you need a small army to take one so that's all you find.
And I could care less about capturing bases - I'd participate in one every once in a while for a change is about all - but all the changes to make capture harder have made the game a lot less varied. Now it's just giant darbars and no darbars. MA lake, floor to ceiling radar and players flying in big gaggles.
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Shiv, any time you see me on man, give me a shout and I'll gladly get together with you for some real fights.
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Shiv, any time you see me on man, give me a shout and I'll gladly get together with you for some real fights.
Now that's fun. I'll take you up on that Madda <<S>>
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The base capture mechanics are more difficult, which leads for the need to have a horde instead of a few skilled playes to capture a base. Not only are the planes easier to fly, they introduced a bunch of easy-mode planes to pile on.
Base captures do not define how you have to fly. Thin the horde, who cares if they get the base if you splash 5 of them?
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A lot tougher to find 1v1s now with the large radar rings that's for sure.
Now that the bases are harder to take, maybed we can get rid of that rats nest of radar circles and return to normal without a lot of carebear tears.
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I think the main consequence of the changes in regards to strategy. In the off hours a handful of guys can no longer quickly grab back what the horde took the night before.
When the numbers are scaled back it is easier for the defenders to cope. When there are 20+ guys all working the same objective the defenders need to get up and in their faces early enough to break the hordes morale. The extended radar gives you a little extra warning and they can't run NOE. This is why you see the the first guy go augering into the radar as the first strike.
As a community it is more important than ever to help balance the teams so it doesn't happen every day. I've changed my own squadron rules to facilitate more flexibility. If others do the same then we can cure the problem ourselves.
yesterday we fought between the same 2 bases for 7 hours and not once did anyone resort to checking town for M3's neither side got close. These drawn out battles is what I strive for and not endless cheap captures.
I think most in the game will agree with you as I do as well, however what we are seeing more often than not is when the same two sides are exerting all available players against 1 side, your not going to get the response from the defenders you so speak of and surely not the type of fights people seek. Does it happen almost daily, yes. You cant put up much of a defense being outnumbered all the time on a front.
In essence, and I will say it like I see it, Bish continually are being ganged/horded from both fronts period. Does it happen to all sides? Sure it does, but its usually 90% of the time bish being horded. Correct me if I am wrong here, but rarely do you see a comparable dar between rooks and knits. Is that because Bish can put up an enjoyable fight? Better Sheep? Dont know. But it surely is not being policed by players and balanced out between fronts by any substantial part of the community to rectify it.
I dare say that the issue was never NOE's to begin with as far as finding any decent fights would go, its the hording that was and still is the problem, noe was just a form of hording.
One issue has been neutered. Whats next to resolve the bigger issue of hording so that all can get the decent fight they are looking for? Community to police ourselves?
IMO.
Good luck JB.
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This game has become a shell of what it used to be. I have been flying this game since 2000, less and less often as time goes buy. It doesn't suprise me why those that leave do. What Happened? It has devolved into just one mass of planes flying into another. There are no tactics, strategy, no reason other than fly into one area of the map and hope you can get a kill or two before being raped.
You made the bases harder to capture and the planes easier to fly. There is no emmersion anymore. I feel like everytime I takeoff, I should put a quarter in my computer. Its gone from a combat flight sim and real time strategy to an arcade game.
I remember when I couldn't wait to get home and fly. I even went to a couple of cons to meet those who i flew against or with. Now it's just a facebook account to keep in touch with some of the older fliers. Even their numbers are starting to dwindle.
For now I continue to play, but not with the same enthusiasm as I had in the past. Not nearly the entusiasm as I had in the past.
it's funny that you don't feel immersion. when i'm attacking bombers, i get that feeling of playing cat and mouse with them, as i set them up. when i'm in bombers, i get the same feeling when i see one setting me up.
when i get into a fight, especially a furball, i am at that point totally immersed, as i'm trying to survive, and get rid of the red guys. \
the only thing wrong with the game, is the one thing htc cannot control, and that is the players. htc is doing a phenomenal job at this.
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Who dictates the experience? Who has the ability to change that experience?
IMO, the sim/game has gotten better. I am one of the most "traditionalist" sim-gamres a person could meet, and I feel that HTC has improved the online air combat sim experience with all the improvements they have introduced the past 2 years.
If a guys doesnt want to furball... then dont. Dont want to gv... then dont. Etc. There are so many things to do mission wise in this game I feel real sorry for someone who has to point fingers when their fun has been disrupted by an update.
FWIW... it doesnt take any more of the "skilled" players to take down a town. I have not fully counted all the buildings yet... but over all I dont think there are that many more. They are simply spread out.
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FWIW... it doesnt take any more of the "skilled" players to take down a town. I have not fully counted all the buildings yet... but over all I dont think there are that many more. They are simply spread out.
:airplane: Put the radar back to original and change the town back to original, with maybe some eye candy, and the game would be more rounded for everyones type of play style.
I don't even bother going to a town anymore there is not the satisfaction of sneaking a base or foiling someone trying to sneak a base.
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:airplane: Put the radar back to original and change the town back to original, with maybe some eye candy, and the game would be more rounded for everyones type of play style.
I don't even bother going to a town anymore there is not the satisfaction of sneaking a base or foiling someone trying to sneak a base.
i like the new look of the towns....they look more realistic.
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i like the new look of the towns....they look more realistic.
The new towns are excellent. the game is better now than it has ever been. Again, the quality of people is what has changed. The mentality of the collective players, the mentaility of how the game is being played today, pretty much sucks. Has nothing to do with the mechanics of gameplay.
Just my most worthless opinio, but Its mine and Im sticken with it.
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The new towns are excellent. the game is better now than it has ever been. Again, the quality of people is what has changed. The mentality of the collective players, the mentaility of how the game is being played today, pretty much sucks. Has nothing to do with the mechanics of gameplay.
Just my most worthless opinio, but Its mine and Im sticken with it.
i will back you up on that 1 bud :salute
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A few of the recent changes had some big negative / unwanted or for some part surely unintended effects, most notably strengthening hording tendencies and hurting gameplay diversity.
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I didn't read 100% of the posts, but I seem to see the common value is people looking for that 1v1....
I've only played AH for 3-ish years, and only for the last few months have I been at it full time since FA shut down.
See, back FA 1.x you had 4 bases, giant furballs, if you wanted a 1v1 you told X person to meet at Y grid at Z altitude and that was it. I also saw the <S> for a GF, and even in the horde if someone called empty/winchester or RTB due to damage, more often than not he was let go IF he had managed to disengage and get away from "the fight"... I.E. no one chased him all the way back to his base...
however, that changed in FA as it got to 2.X.... Just as I am reading it has changed in AH... but what AH has that FA didn't is a DA. in FA we had our Territory Conquest (MA), FFA, historical, etc. No dueling arena. You had to move off to an area and hope noone interfered.
What I am getting at, and I mean no offense to anyone is this: The game, as with any that survives, changes. If you want your 1v1 clean fights, go to the DA with like minded folks. There are those of us who enjoy flying with squaddies and taking ground. Granted, I like both, but my skill level is not on par with the game mechanics in AH and flight differences coming from FA to duel.... so... I stay in the MA. Again, no offense to anyone, but it sounds as if people want to make the MA more of a dueling arena. Correct me if I am wrong, but I don't think points apply in the DA/TA/Fighter Town and if that's the case, then it sounds more of a "I have the skill to fight 1v1, win, and make my points, but I don't have the squaddies or the ability (if anyone does) to fight 8v1 and win."
I don't know, I may be way off there, but that's how it appears "at-a-glance." One last time, before someone goes off half-cocked, I MEAN NO OFFENSE TO ANYONE'S SENSIBILITIES, HOWEVER DELICATE THEY MAY BE!!!....
But seriously, this game immerses you in way that FA didnt.. FA's tanks were AI... Here, they are not (which is awesome!) All flak in FA were AI as well... Here, you have areas such as the DA and Fightertown to establish your 1v1 and have your fun with likeminded people, I just don't understand why a change needs to happen in a territory conquest arena. And to be honest, I used to hate it when 1-5 people could capture a base... The fight was over before you could get into it. Granted, I don't like fighting for 2 days over defending my base then attacking the one north like happened the last 2 days, (thats a little long XD) but still, I think it's a good time..
And having played before they change the towns and such, I like the towns now... Takes more effort to down a town, imho.
But I am beginning to ramble, so I'll stop here and wait to see who flames my post first.
~Airborne
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I love it.
Four Corsairs to choose from.
Lots of red guys.
I dunno about HTC, but it is exactly what I wanted.
HONK!
Gooss
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For anyone who hasn't been playing this game for at least 7 years you just wouldn't understand.
I know, ya'll say I look at this game through a fogged memory, but it has changed a lot since the old days. Back then you could have an uneven numbered situation like 5 on 2, and 2 or 3 of the 5 would just circle and watch the fight and only join in if one of his teammates got shot down.
"Bingo" meant I'm out and the enemy gave you a salute and told you head see ya when you can back, instead of chasing you down with 12 of his closest friends just so one of you could have the kill.
You would spend hours fighting the same 10 guys over and over a gain and nobody would be PMing or swearing over 200. Even the good natured "ribbing" was done with a bunch of laughs.
The only frustration in the game was when you had to make a run to the bathroom because you just couldn't hold it any longer.
It is much harder to find a good fight these days and I really enjoy those that I find. My frustration level climbs quickly when those few fights are destroyed by some Ahole that just NEEDS the kill and has to pick, or HO. It seems to me that some of that has come back with the changes HTC has made. Is it better, yes, is it like it use to be, not even close, but I'll take what I can get and hope things continue to improve. Until then my wife likes having me hang around with her more than I fly. :cry
I can see where you're coming from, it's not just AH that suffers from this, whats happening is evolution, AH is getting more subscribers or new subscribers who are not in the same generation. Many of the problems you're pointing out like swearing and such is just a result of how things are in the real world right now.....Hell I remember when I was younger none of my friends swore.. this isn't the case with younger players now, theres loads of it going on.
Best just to suck it up and tolerate...p.s my opinion on this subject isn't worth anything as I no longer play, and haven't played for a number of months, but for different reasons.
Hope you're doing well btw :)
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The new towns are excellent. the game is better now than it has ever been. Again, the quality of people is what has changed. The mentality of the collective players, the mentaility of how the game is being played today, pretty much sucks. Has nothing to do with the mechanics of gameplay.
Just my most worthless opinio, but Its mine and Im sticken with it.
to me the entire game itself has improved massivly since i started in 2005 or so. the feel of the aircraft, the looks of everything, pretty much everything 'cept the players.
someone else mentioned that some updates seemed to increase the horde mentality. i think that's wrong. those that are going to horde will do it regardless of what is done to the game.
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Sorry jb42 but just about everytimr we meet you are not alone, you always have plenty of friends. Besides you play wih the bishps and they're known for bringing everybody and their cousings to take one base. Just like las night. When 20 of you couldn't take the base they brought an extra 20 and when that wasn't enough you killed he hangars. I love furballing more han anything but when that gets old, there's always one base being attacked by a handfull of enys and I go there. As for people chasing you down when bingo ammo, well don't come fight use it all up and expct to go home with kills. Always save a bullet or two. Rspect you as a player fighting you always brings a smile to my face but sorry if game changed and you are not willing to adapt to it. I don't like arena caps so I work my way around them :).
Semp
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I don't like arena caps so I work my way around them :).
Semp
you blasphemer!!!!!!!!
how DARE you use common sense????? who do you think you are anyway??!!
:neener: :aok
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A few of the recent changes had some big negative / unwanted or for some part surely unintended effects, most notably strengthening hording tendencies and hurting gameplay diversity.
I will respectfully disagree on the "strengthening hording tendencies and hurting game play diversity". Hording may be a knee jerk tendency because it takes more padawans to swarm a base for the "winz", but the BIG picture will show that fewer bases are changing hands I do believe (and I fully expect Mr. Chartman to post a bar graph showing the past 12 mos of base changin and map wins). Even if the hoard is larger than it used to be (that stat is hard to track unlike bases changing hands), there are only so many people on and if it takes more people to take a base that means there are fewer people on that team elsewhere to defend, attack, etc. As far as the diversity I do believe with the almost complete absence of the massive NOE 110 raids, the plane set has diversified quite a bit more. I'm seeing a far more diverse plane set hitting towns than just 110's. The 110 has no way of sneaking in an leg humpin a town like it used to, it has to work to get there. I'm sure there are stats on that, too.
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I see a lot of folks that I have high regard for posting in this thread. Even with a layoff of 2 years almost to the day I can see a difference in the community.
I also see hope because I'd wager that 98% of the people who play the game could not care less what their score is. That has always been the way I played but I'm also smart enough not to attempt to dictate to someone else how they should play. Fortunately, for me, within my 2 week trial I was invited to join the squad that I'm in and will be to the day I die. These vets of the game in squad and out taught me the community, tactics, and helped me learn the game through all it's permutations. They and many others have fallen over themselves to bring me up to speed and point out all of the changes that happened while I was away. If they'll do that for me what can YOU do for a noob?
I can remember a night that we decided to go to Axis VS Allies and I vulched a con and it was explained to me that doing so was frowned upon in that arena. You know the whole 'When in Rome' thing? One of my squaddies very professionally took me behind the woodshed and explained the error of my ways. After that I never made that mistake again. Bad form old chap.
I also remember when the TA was FULL of people who were willing to help, fly as a target, and so on. Murdr, Widewing, Rowdy, Yanksfan, just to name a few. It was fun and informative and I took to flying in there to help people with what I knew and learn from vets and savants that were and always will be better than me. I'd like to pay that back someday.
I'd suggest to the community as a whole to look for the new guys / gals and share with them what your idea of how things should be. I'd say you'll get at least a 50% hit rate if you just open yourselves up to teaching a newbie not only how to fly but what the culture is online.
As I've said before I'm back because I missed the camaraderie and the fun of pitting yourself and your 'skills' against someone equal to or better that I am. The game is fun the relationships are better.
AVA regs.. correct me if I'm wrong but the unwritten 'rules' of behavior haven't really changed in the last couple of years. No vulching, HO's are frowned upon, jumping into a 1v1 fight is also frowned upon, and so on. If you want to fight that's the arena I'd suggest going to. It's one of the least changed arenas in terms of culture and behavior.
I jumped into the AVA last week out of boredom with the MA and after a 1v1 vs Old suddenly there were 6 to 8 folks in there who cheerfully put me in the drink.
The arenas, squad ops, scenarios, and so on, are what WE make them gents.
Of course that's just my opinion I could be wrong.
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As far as the diversity I do believe with the almost complete absence of the massive NOE 110 raids, the plane set has diversified quite a bit more.
This completely wrong. The 110 NOEs are back and alive, I fought against several of them in the last 24 hours. The horde has finally figured the way (took em a long time i have to admit) to revive the NOE without being impaired by the new dar settings. The NOE is back, there is no doubt. And with the big new towns (which I personally absolutely love), they are even more "necessary" if you wanna get a base and win the war, for the old tactics will leave a map be pretty static.
However, as single player formerly tring to fight the horde by taking up a fast plane, head to the horded base to look for goons, I have now bad cards - particularly on smaller maps. The extended dar range means the horde has often a convenient dar coverage (occasionally by 2 or even more radars) over the base they are just hording. Going there alone or with just one friend is then basically impossible, they will all immediately jump on me because I make that very convenient dot on their maps. (And don't say: Just kill their dar - It'S not that easy to do that when totally outnumbered).
So more often than not, I now just shrug and go elsewhere.
Also we see much less single or small scale bomber raids, especially to the strats which basically have been taken out of the game by redesign. In the past, players tried their luck trying to wiggle between the dar circles to get to the high-value targets - but now these targets have no value anymore (score as well as strategic impact), but are very difficult to reach due to distance, ack, and full dar cover all the way. Bomber guys are basically just dropping frontline hangars or dropping towns for score - less variety in gameplay.
And so it's also less variety for me as a buff hunter. All the guesswork, the "thinking" part (Darbar in sector - where is he? is he inbound or outbound? Which target may he go for?) is mainly gone - less variety in gameplay
And the 17lbrs on Vbases had one direct effect: There are much fewer battles for Vbases now with the same gun the Firefly has being perk free located on the base. I could have understood a PAk 40 (basically the same thing the Panzer IV has) - An attacker could have decided to bring in a Tiger... but now only rarely someone takes that silly risk anymore. Pure tank battles for a Vbase without a big number of planes are much rarer now. - Less variety in gameplay
(And guess what- EW Vbases have that heavy late war monster AT gun on the base too :rolleyes:)
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I came back after a very long layoff just before the most recent update. I love it again.
I have been around since the beginning and all I see is improvement with the odd sidestep happening.
Compare 1999 AH to now and I cannot say that its gotten worse. Attitudes and ignorance may have but
that is just a reflection of society as a whole.
Keep up the good work HTC. :aok
That being said I want Foot Soldier abilities and I want them now. Get to work. :pray
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I will respectfully disagree on the "strengthening hording tendencies and hurting game play diversity". Hording may be a knee jerk tendency because it takes more padawans to swarm a base for the "winz", but the BIG picture will show that fewer bases are changing hands I do believe (and I fully expect Mr. Chartman to post a bar graph showing the past 12 mos of base changin and map wins). Even if the hoard is larger than it used to be (that stat is hard to track unlike bases changing hands), there are only so many people on and if it takes more people to take a base that means there are fewer people on that team elsewhere to defend, attack, etc. As far as the diversity I do believe with the almost complete absence of the massive NOE 110 raids, the plane set has diversified quite a bit more. I'm seeing a far more diverse plane set hitting towns than just 110's. The 110 has no way of sneaking in an leg humpin a town like it used to, it has to work to get there. I'm sure there are stats on that, too.
:aok
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Life is too short. If you're not having fun here...take a break..or leave permanently.
99.999% of the people flying when I am flying are still having a good time. actually...they're having a blast.
that said...attrition happens...change happens... that's part of life. dig it..or find another hobby.
I suggest the OP may just be bored of the whole thing...and hasn't yet come to terms with that. it's just too easy to play the old "back in the day" card.
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I will agree, I also have played off and on since 2000 and I would give anything to have AH1 back. Im not saying the new version of the game is bad, graphics wise it is nothing short of kick azz.. But I agree that the game has evolved over the years and strayed from what I think it was intended to be. Can't even get a decent fight in MW anymore. I mean, in an arena with only 30 players do all the hangers at a Vbase or Airfield need to be taken down? I miss the skill and finess that was once used. A player on another country made a comment that just made me laugh earlier when he said they are "working smarter not harder" by using a carrier to take all the hangers down at a Vbase that we had just captured 15 minutes earlier hangers up. No horde needed and was not a 15 - 3 fight either. The game has turned more into a 'capture the flag at all costs" and isnt as fun as it was.
Especially the AH1, I miss that to no ends
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You can have ah1 all you want , but take a wild guess who will be here also. that's right the same players as in ah2.
Semp
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Believe me if I can have it online I would take it. I'll reup my subscription whenever this game becomes fun again
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And the 17lbrs on Vbases had one direct effect: There are much fewer battles for Vbases now with the same gun the Firefly has being perk free located on the base. I could have understood a PAk 40 (basically the same thing the Panzer IV has) - An attacker could have decided to bring in a Tiger... but now only rarely someone takes that silly risk anymore. Pure tank battles for a Vbase without a big number of planes are much rarer now. - Less variety in gameplay
You think so? It seems like I've seen plenty of GV battles lately, but it's not something I spend a lot of time doing, so maybe I just haven't noticed if there aren't as many. But overall I think the 17 pounder is the best of all the recent changes. No more sneaking Vbases with an M8 and an M3. No more upping a Tiger and being able to count on easily killing (and being invulnerable to) anything unperked you run into. But the 17 lbers are easy to kill, so a determined assault can at best only be slowed down by them, then the defenders still have to up GVs and slug it out (or bring in LancStukas, but that's no different than it was before the change).
(Of course, as I've said many times, I loathe 262s and Tigers with an abiding passion, so anything that makes life miserable for low-lifes in either ride is fine by me for that reason alone.)
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Believe me if I can have it online I would take it. I'll reup my subscription whenever this game becomes fun again
That's a matter of your perspective and no one is resposible for that but you, something the OP and a couple of others should be adult enough to understand.
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I've been here since the AH beta.
I was playing Warbirds back when it was called Confirmed Kill and in beta.
I've been to 10 Warbirds and Aces High Conventions.
If there is one constant in these games, I've learned it is that old-timers think that things used to be better in the past.
I don't agree.
I agree that the game has changed over times, and that the things that may have drawn us into them originally can get de-emphasized or even eliminated as the game, the number of players, and and the types of players evolve.
But I don't believe that makes the game "better" or "worse."
There has always been vultching, gangtards, runstangs, uberspits, cherrypickers, harsh language, and annoying kids who didn't know what they were doing. And at one time, all those people were us.
I get out of this game what I put into it. I find satisfaction in my actions rather than what others do. I fly in a "No-Whine Zone." When I need a break, I take it. The last break was 8 or 9 months long. Yet I always come back.
Keep up the good work, HT. You're running new stuff up the flagpole and seeing who salutes, which is more than I can say for some games.
-Llama
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well said and hello llama :)
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yes indeed <S> llama
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That has always been the way I played but I'm also smart enough not to attempt to dictate to someone else how they should play.
I agree.
I've been playing this game almost 10 years now and the changes that really bug me are not the ones aimed at improving the game (of course), but the arbitrary rules aimed at dictating the way that players play the game.
In all my years here (and there were times when I spent almost all my free time flying in the arenas), did I come across a type of player gameplay that made me say "Jeez, this sucks, I'm gonna log."
I either fought the fight that was presented to me or found another section of map where that type of game play wasn't occurring.
However, now I find I only play a couple of hours a month. Some of it is burnout from 10-plus years of flying, but a lot is also that I've found that a lot of the changes make the game more work than fun. There are several days a month now, where I come home from work, eager to fly or fight my tank, log on, see what's going on an say "Jeez, this sucks, I'm gonna log."
All that being said, I do like the new town, or should I say suburb, set up. Base captures are more challenging, but more fun. I also thought the adding of uber flack a year or so ago at bases and towns was a very good idea.Not a big fan of the new radar altitude - not realistic and pulling off NOE base captures, or defending against them, is a lot of fun.
I would love to see a return to the old tank town, which was like crack on treads, an easing of eny, and a return to maps with closer bases. Not likely to happen, but I think it would make things more fun.
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Ok now all you :old: :old: :old: guys jump on the WWI bandwagon and see if we can't get HTC to "flesh" it out some with more rides and some type of base capture strat (with old time bombers) and walla back to the old days :devil :devil :devil
BTW I been around since 6 buck an hour AW days :D
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Ok now all you :old: :old: :old: guys jump on the WWI bandwagon and see if we can't get HTC to "flesh" it out some with more rides and some type of base capture strat (with old time bombers) and walla back to the old days :devil :devil :devil
BTW I been around since 6 buck an hour AW days :D
Dang thats a long to be playing this game. You'd think you be better at it. :O
Realdeal
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Ok now all you :old: :old: :old: guys jump on the WWI bandwagon and see if we can't get HTC to "flesh" it out some with more rides and some type of base capture strat (with old time bombers) and walla back to the old days :devil :devil :devil
BTW I been around since 6 buck an hour AW days :D
So, if I push you over will you break a hip? :D
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Just so I've got this straight - this is the sort of skill-oriented, less horde-y, more like the old days action the recent changes have moved the game back to?
(http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v113/crackthelens/art/horde.jpg)
'Cause it looks like the same old giant dweeb horde dogpile on one country to me, but I've only been here a couple of years, so what do I know, right? :rolleyes:
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Just so I've got this straight - this is the sort of skill-oriented, less horde-y, more like the old days action the recent changes have moved the game back to?
(http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v113/crackthelens/art/horde.jpg)
'Cause it looks like the same old giant dweeb horde dogpile on one country to me, but I've only been here a couple of years, so what do I know, right? :rolleyes:
ever noticed that on this specific map, the action is always at a41-a45 and a61/a62 to a59/a60 regardless of which country is on the south east? always. its not that two countries gang on one it is that everybody always gravitates to those two areas.
semp
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'immersion'
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I miss Pizza
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I miss Pizza
Ditto
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It seems that there is a tendency to polemic and polemic is not a constructive tool.
All of us are very happy to play with the new stuff. And more all of us are very
happy to see how HTC take care of two elements: 'customers' and 'HTC sand box'.
Why i putted ''? Because i think that a game like this can't be the sand box of HTC
or a customers place ONLY. It evolves as a composition process between HTC and
customers. (Noted: with this i don't say that HTC cannot decide a day that all plane must be pink
and don't gain more customers!!)
As to me, one elements emerge:
1. HTC desires that AH could be environment where a variety of action could take place - from massive furballing to 1 vs 1.
2. Actually in main arenas it is not so. It depends on arena map.
Yestarday arena map was small and target were big. 3 countries.
Yestarday result: savage furballing.
Why savage? Because we have two choices only: land the kills and leave our fellows to die or takeoff and never land with kills!
3. New targets (base-field combination) solve noe horde problem - rise the radar a little bit :pray - but require more furballing that goes into savage furballing.
Put new targets capturable by few planes could be solve savage furballing? I think yes.
:salute
P.S.:
Let's buy a ticket to the moon for nights ppl, they live for savage furballing! :neener:
<S> nights
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Lulu did u drink potion #9?.
Semp
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Just so I've got this straight - this is the sort of skill-oriented, less horde-y, more like the old days action the recent changes have moved the game back to?
(http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v113/crackthelens/art/horde.jpg)
'Cause it looks like the same old giant dweeb horde dogpile on one country to me, but I've only been here a couple of years, so what do I know, right? :rolleyes:
That map looks no different than when I was playing AH I and squads were fighting it out on the same fronts.
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Lulu did u drink potion #9?.
Semp
Worse than that, he's trying to make sense...and in English no less.
We need a gibberish translation expert on this discussion, the nonsense is getting worse.
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Just so I've got this straight - this is the sort of skill-oriented, less horde-y, more like the old days action the recent changes have moved the game back to?
(http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v113/crackthelens/art/horde.jpg)
'Cause it looks like the same old giant dweeb horde dogpile on one country to me, but I've only been here a couple of years, so what do I know, right? :rolleyes:
NO NO NO....its only a horde when the BISH are doing it, not Rooks or Nits...then they call it COMBAT!!
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Four Corsairs to choose from.
HONK!
Gooss
Ummmm… F4U-1, F4U-1A, F4U-1C, F4U-1D, F4U-4… I count five. How many toes does a goose have?
I also see hope because I'd wager that 98% of the people who play the game could not care less what their score is.
I’ve been watching my score closely this tour. Like the income tax code or a bonus plan, it can be manipulated.
Score is not something that justifies playing the game. It is another aspect of it. To make it one’s top priority seems to make the game more like work, though.
Worse than that, he's trying to make sense...and in English no less.
Don’t pick on lulu. There are a lot of guys with more nonsensical posts despite having English as a first language. There’s a bunch of guys out there that spell ‘color’ with a ‘u.’
This game has become a shell of what it used to be. I have been flying this game since 2000, less and less often as time goes buy. It doesn't suprise me why those that leave do. What Happened?
Back to the OP, HTC is not completely responsible for player behavior. As individuals, we are our own keepers. I know that I slip in and out of ‘honorable’ play.
The tactics and finesse that you miss, JB42, will occur even less often if guys like you bail out of the game. Is this irony? (Seriously, I can never figure out irony.)
I encourage you to stick with the game and try to influence its direction.
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I honestly try to keep the game fairly honorable. I am indeed a new player (played a few months around 2006 then have been back for about a year now). That said, some of the most asinine tactics and bunghole moves I've had pulled on me were by the old timers. I dont really have a lot of respect for the guys who like to speak with each other with respect but when it comes to someone they dont know or feel are newer players its anything goes.
I wont call anyone in particular out but the old timers should think about that as I think you can be a part of the problem. Granted some folks will be bellybutton knuckles regardless...but most of us are looking to you older players for the lead on what "is" and "is not" the acceptable behavior for the arenas. And of course, its not an all inclusive thing..there are some goods and bads from old players, new players, etc. Just think about YOUR behavior and how it impacts the players who we are playing with. If you are doing what you want done to you then what else can you do really?
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Dang thats a long to be playing this game. You'd think you be better at it. :O
Realdeal
Hmmm I played and coached and officiated football, but I don't now I wonder if "age" has something to do with that??? When you are 67 come tell me how good a stick you are :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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Just so I've got this straight - this is the sort of skill-oriented, less horde-y, more like the old days action the recent changes have moved the game back to?
(http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v113/crackthelens/art/horde.jpg)
'Cause it looks like the same old giant dweeb horde dogpile on one country to me, but I've only been here a couple of years, so what do I know, right? :rolleyes:
Actually if this was from yesterday at one point I spent a little time flying to A45 from A41 flying for the time as a Knight and I have to say considering that V46 was also Knight at the time the defense at A45 was quite spirited. While I was there the numbers on radar were more or less even and the fights were stacked from probably 12-15k down to the deck. The fight was close to A45 but the ack was keeping vulchers at bay, which gave people time to lift off and grab south or attack the incoming tanks, meanwhile more were coming in from A47 to the southeast with alt.
I typically was coming in between 6-7k and more often than not quickly found myself in more trouble than I could handle. This was a fight that was going on for quite awhile.
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That was fun soulyss even with the bishops having they 7-8 buff raids to kill hangars several times. And then they used about 3/4 of all bishops logged late at night for one fighter sweep which gave us lots of kills :).
Semp
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First, semp, I have been Rook forever, please get your info correct before you try to insult me. :confused:
I have been on everyday (except Sunday) for the last week and I have made a few observations:
1) Small maps consist of 3 huge battles, Rook v. Bish, Bish v. Knit, Knit v. Rook. The fights were over the same 3 bases and remained there for the duration of my online time. I admit there were a few diversionary attacks, but nothing that changed the map..............at all.
2) Large maps consist of a TT/FT fight and 3 huge battles, Rook v. Bish, Bish v. Knit, Knit v. Rook. The fights were over the same 3 bases and remained there for the duration of my online time. I admit there were a few diversion attacks, and a few were actually succesful, but after the base capture, the majority of the flyer fell back into the fold of the numbers.
Perhaps I observed an odd week, but I couldn't help asking myself, if HTC wanted the game to be this, why bother having base captures? Why bother having factories or zone bases? Hell, why bother having HQ? I knew where the enemy was. They were over the same two Rook bases the entire time i was logged on. For all intents and purposes, couldn't what now is happening be achieved with 6 bases?
I understand the concept of change, however I question change for the sake of change. I remember "back in the day" the epic battles between the JBz and the squads like Freebirds, Blue Knights, Arabian Knights and the 80th. 10 -12 of them with 6-8 of us defending. Small, managable engagements. Some we won, some we lost.
Out of time for the moment, will continue reply when possible.
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The game is the same, just better. The difference is the folks playing.
Seems like everyone is trying to shoot me.... hmmm
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I remember "back in the day" the epic battles between the JBz and the squads like Freebirds, Blue Knights, Arabian Knights and the 80th.
Back in those days there was plenty of complaining going on. Just like this post. Nothing has changed in that regard.
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First, semp, I have been Rook forever, please get your info correct before you try to insult me. :confused:
I have been on everyday (except Sunday) for the last week and I have made a few observations:
1) Small maps consist of 3 huge battles, Rook v. Bish, Bish v. Knit, Knit v. Rook. The fights were over the same 3 bases and remained there for the duration of my online time. I admit there were a few diversionary attacks, but nothing that changed the map..............at all.
2) Large maps consist of a TT/FT fight and 3 huge battles, Rook v. Bish, Bish v. Knit, Knit v. Rook. The fights were over the same 3 bases and remained there for the duration of my online time. I admit there were a few diversion attacks, and a few were actually succesful, but after the base capture, the majority of the flyer fell back into the fold of the numbers.
Perhaps I observed an odd week, but I couldn't help asking myself, if HTC wanted the game to be this, why bother having base captures? Why bother having factories or zone bases? Hell, why bother having HQ? I knew where the enemy was. They were over the same two Rook bases the entire time i was logged on. For all intents and purposes, couldn't what now is happening be achieved with 6 bases?
I understand the concept of change, however I question change for the sake of change. I remember "back in the day" the epic battles between the JBz and the squads like Freebirds, Blue Knights, Arabian Knights and the 80th. 10 -12 of them with 6-8 of us defending. Small, managable engagements. Some we won, some we lost.
Out of time for the moment, will continue reply when possible.
I think it is starting to turn around.
The old days had battles that lasted hours between squads that were rivals, and more people respected that. Many a time you'd see another squad join the fight, but they would work the next base over to split the attack/defense. Todays players are to use to just rolling one base after another. They will need some time to learn how to use strategy and to move around furballs and such.
In Loki's picture it looked like there were a couple of great fights going, Souls pointed out that nobody could get the upper hand. GVs were involved, buffs, fighters at all alts, what more could you ask for? Oh yaa, that big "win the war" thing. It's a game people have fun playing.
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I've been taking a break, although my subscription stays paid in case I want to come back. Right now, I just don't have the desire.
As far as it goes, the functional part of the product has improved over time. It works better, at least for the most part, and it looks better.
But we'll ever see the real community that existed years ago. Part of that is due to attrition, part of it is due to the change in game mechanics, and part of it is due to generational changes in society.
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I'm still waiting for the first post blaming it on Global Warming :)
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Global Warming weakend the main spring in my joystick and now I can't hold the nose still long enough to shoot anyone down, Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaa. :cry
Feel better now..... :cheers:
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Just so I've got this straight - this is the sort of skill-oriented, less horde-y, more like the old days action the recent changes have moved the game back to?
(http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v113/crackthelens/art/horde.jpg)
'Cause it looks like the same old giant dweeb horde dogpile on one country to me, but I've only been here a couple of years, so what do I know, right? :rolleyes:
:rofl Shame on you and how dare you see it too!!
Thats exactley where it is now, it was like that in the other arena as well, just terrible.
I went rook, they had a base right next to the strats and HQ, 3 of us (all three of us were noobs) took out the HQ thus the radar of the nits with only 2 guys defending it, or at least trying. There was no desire to even maintain any sort of fight on knit and rook front especially that close to the strats and HQ. :rolleyes:
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:rofl Shame on you and how dare you see it too!!
Thats exactley where it is now, it was like that in the other arena as well, just terrible.
I went rook, they had a base right next to the strats and HQ, 3 of us (all three of us were noobs) took out the HQ thus the radar of the nits with only 2 guys defending it, or at least trying. There was no desire to even maintain any sort of fight on knit and rook front especially that close to the strats and HQ. :rolleyes:
Knitland Operational Strategy 101, ordnance 12, subsection 3; As to defending a two-horde two-country front, of which individualy each horde outnumbers our entire country and it's defencive forces and often times with both agressors at pease with each other, it is acceptable to abandon one front so that one enemy may advance unheeded and allowed to achieve a speedy victory (often times, still taking days to achieve this :rolleyes: ) to facilitate a speedy map rotation/change, while all Knitland forces assemble to defend and overwhelm the other enemy horde, racking up quick and easy many perkies.
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For anyone who hasn't been playing this game for at least 7 years you just wouldn't understand.
I know, ya'll say I look at this game through a fogged memory, but it has changed a lot since the old days. Back then you could have an uneven numbered situation like 5 on 2, and 2 or 3 of the 5 would just circle and watch the fight and only join in if one of his teammates got shot down.
"Bingo" meant I'm out and the enemy gave you a salute and told you head see ya when you can back, instead of chasing you down with 12 of his closest friends just so one of you could have the kill.
You would spend hours fighting the same 10 guys over and over a gain and nobody would be PMing or swearing over 200. Even the good natured "ribbing" was done with a bunch of laughs.
The only frustration in the game was when you had to make a run to the bathroom because you just couldn't hold it any longer.
It is much harder to find a good fight these days and I really enjoy those that I find. My frustration level climbs quickly when those few fights are destroyed by some Ahole that just NEEDS the kill and has to pick, or HO. It seems to me that some of that has come back with the changes HTC has made. Is it better, yes, is it like it use to be, not even close, but I'll take what I can get and hope things continue to improve. Until then my wife likes having me hang around with her more than I fly. :cry
Seems like has to do more with people than the game itself. HTC can't control how people play the game. How would propose HTC control HO's and people jumping in vs circling above watching a fight? As far as PM'ing again this a person on the other end...not the game itself.
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been playing for years and game play of late is just sad.. just take a look at both late war arenas on 8 9 10. not one major battle to be found with rooks and knights all night long.not a whole lot of fun getting ganged night after night gents.. held our own well at 9. but lost lots of bases to knights. thats whats happens when your out #4 to 1 . 58 bish on to the 190 knights and rooks. eny? give me a brake..... no way to fix it when two sides refuse to engage each other.I hate to have looks for another game to play(pickings are really thin) but this style of game play sucks. not going to swych sides and add fuel to the freaking gang bang either. if htc whants this kind of play then theers going to be lots of players saying so long.only bright spot anymore is fso. not wasting 15 a month to play once a week. And bye the way. this knight rook treaty.for a better word has been going one for some time. in one arena or another.go ahead and let the flaming start.my ego could care less.
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I really believe keeping squads down to 8-10 players max and using small maps in arenas capped at 119 max each would be alot better for gameplay wise than these huge maps with 250-300 players. If you disagree and like the LW arenas you have now then eat your cake.
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Besides Titanic Tuesday HTC could have a once a month TST, TSS. Two Sided Tuesday, Two Sided Sunday.
ENY would be rediculous as players ditched sides back and forth trying to get at low perk 262 and Tempests. With only two sides the hoarding, HOing and gamey play would be legion. There would only be one front to fight on across the map and I bet most actions would be based on alt and avoiding combat to get the target. At least there would be no running away to an uncontested corner to sneak feilds that would last for very long. ENY with 262 costing 10 points might be a reality as everyone wanted to be on the winning side near the end.
Just think guys. One night a tour to look forward to. Only two sides. Everyone on each side will know the moment an attack is coming down the single front line. If you realy want to take territory you will need cooperation from other sqauds and groups of players to perform feints and takes across the single front. Ch200 would be a chest thumpers and whiners wet dream. Heck, HTC would probably need to hire extra moderators for the night. What if HTC changed winning the war that night with a special map for the occasion. Say a backfeild with three smaller strat factory cities that you destroyed 50% of each and kept that way. While taking and holding 3 or 4 designated airfeilds along the front. Large scale capture the flag.
Personaly I don't think this much doing the right thing side balancing effort is possible out of this community. Past experience tells me many of the community would opt out for the easy way of turning it into a 5 to 1 sided super hoard. I know, some of us just happen to have freinds or our squad is on that super hoard side and it's your $14.95 if you want to fly 499 against 1. It's only a game.....and it's some one elses fault. I just want to be with my freinds or else.....
Still, one night a tour we could have had a two sided war. Ahhhh, but then, all of you JSO squad generals. We know you would ruin it just to spite the whole community like back in the single MA days when you showed us all you could shut down the MA for one night. These are the only downsides to squads and HTC giving us anything nice besides 3 sides, multiple arenas, ENY, and moderators. And we are so derned clever because we did it to oursleves in broad daylight with hundreds of witnesses....... :lol
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Global Warming weakend the main spring in my joystick and now I can't hold the nose still long enough to shoot anyone down, Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaa. :cry
Feel better now..... :cheers:
We got a Winna :D
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Seems like has to do more with people than the game itself. HTC can't control how people play the game. How would propose HTC control HO's and people jumping in vs circling above watching a fight? As far as PM'ing again this a person on the other end...not the game itself.
True... too many folks looking to get around the settings that HT imposes for games sake. Simple things even like squad size. HT makes it playable..... users try to change that.
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Besides Titanic Tuesday HTC could have a once a month , Two Sided Sunday.
Why not have a day where everyone is the enemy. No friendlies! a great vast FFA arena! call it Catastrophic Thursday or something lolz
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Why not have a day where everyone is the enemy. No friendlies! a great vast FFA arena! call it Catastrophic Thursday or something lolz
oh man your onto something that would be pretty cool. 3 airfields, 3 vbases in the middle all uncapturable. :x
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Free for All Fridays !! not everyone goes to FSO.
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oh man your onto something that would be pretty cool. 3 airfields, 3 vbases in the middle all uncapturable. :x
this would be a great idea but you know what the nay-sayers are gonna reply with.......
"you already have furball lake in the DA why do you also need the ma's for this??"
but a complete free for all one night a week in the MA's would be awesome! i think that with kill shooter off and collision on for both friendly and enemy would be the easiest way to accomplish this with out alot of changes.
wont matter what the icon color is if you know he can shoot and kill you youll shoot to kill him first :)
:airplane: :joystick: :headscratch: :airplane: :joystick: :noid :airplane: :joystick: :O :neener:
:banana: :banana: :banana:
:devil
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Why not have a day where everyone is the enemy. No friendlies! a great vast FFA arena! call it Catastrophic Thursday or something lolz
That really would be the ultimate mindless furball. :)
This seems more like a once a year type event, but would be lots of fun.
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:rofl
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Gonna be tough taking off that day.
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this would be a great idea but you know what the nay-sayers are gonna reply with.......
"you already have furball lake in the DA why do you also need the ma's for this??"
but a complete free for all one night a week in the MA's would be awesome! i think that with kill shooter off and collision on for both friendly and enemy would be the easiest way to accomplish this with out alot of changes.
wont matter what the icon color is if you know he can shoot and kill you youll shoot to kill him first :)
:airplane: :joystick: :headscratch: :airplane: :joystick: :noid :airplane: :joystick: :O :neener:
:banana: :banana: :banana:
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That mentality justifies the OP's rant. It's all centered on what you want not what brings people to AH and keeps them coming back, not something that makes the main arenas better, not something that changes the lame behavior that people are so quick to whine about.
Furballs occur all the time in the LW mains. The length of time they last is determined by how long the fh or cv stays up.
In every furball, someone is going to HO, pick, kill steal, not call a check six, etc...and after a short while the furball stops being fun for the "you ain't got skillz unless you can 1v1" crowd, and they go find another fight. Or someone kills the fh and everyone yells at the "fun police".
In every furball someone is talkin trash about another persons lame behavior, as if there is some sort of ridiculous etiquette expected in a furball.
When you take away the ridiculous notions about what people think they want, it all boils down to - fighters want an opportunity to engage in an aerial battle, as long as it fits their silly ideology. Bombers want to be able to drop bombs and land with as many damage points as possible, without having to deal with someone trying to shoot them down. Tankers want to be able to have tank warz, without having to deal with someone dropping bombs on them. And the armchair generals are all trying to win the war and it doesn't matter who is doing what as long as they come running with every single "ALERT!!!"..."HELP"...blah blah blah.
But none of those groups wants to do anything without denying the others the ability to do what they want in the arenas provided for the overall community, or making silly requests for HTC to provide yet more resources just so a select few can have a few jollies. The best thing about all of that is the dueling arena has places for whatever people want to engage in, but no one wants to go there even though that is reason for it's existence. But hey, it's easier to ask HTC to declare 1 day a week <insert silly desire here> on the main arenas just so they can avoid going to the DA or making an attempt to actually think about what makes the main arenas fun.
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Maybe a yearly event..... one LW arena being setup for FFA one day during the Con. Then the next day fairies with vulcans. :rofl
UFOs maybe??
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Then the next day fairies with vulcans. :rofl
Hurri2s?
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Look at all Aces High has to offer : AvA, FSo, heavy metal sunday, european campaign, DA, scenario, KOH,.... etc, etc..
There must be something that would interest you other than MA.
I think AH is a great time waster... 'Time well wasted' ..lol
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That mentality justifies the OP's rant. It's all centered on what you want not what brings people to AH and keeps them coming back, not something that makes the main arenas better, not something that changes the lame behavior that people are so quick to whine about.
Furballs occur all the time in the LW mains. The length of time they last is determined by how long the fh or cv stays up.
In every furball, someone is going to HO, pick, kill steal, not call a check six, etc...and after a short while the furball stops being fun for the "you ain't got skillz unless you can 1v1" crowd, and they go find another fight. Or someone kills the fh and everyone yells at the "fun police".
In every furball someone is talkin trash about another persons lame behavior, as if there is some sort of ridiculous etiquette expected in a furball.
When you take away the ridiculous notions about what people think they want, it all boils down to - fighters want an opportunity to engage in an aerial battle, as long as it fits their silly ideology. Bombers want to be able to drop bombs and land with as many damage points as possible, without having to deal with someone trying to shoot them down. Tankers want to be able to have tank warz, without having to deal with someone dropping bombs on them. And the armchair generals are all trying to win the war and it doesn't matter who is doing what as long as they come running with every single "ALERT!!!"..."HELP"...blah blah blah.
But none of those groups wants to do anything without denying the others the ability to do what they want in the arenas provided for the overall community, or making silly requests for HTC to provide yet more resources just so a select few can have a few jollies. The best thing about all of that is the dueling arena has places for whatever people want to engage in, but no one wants to go there even though that is reason for it's existence. But hey, it's easier to ask HTC to declare 1 day a week <insert silly desire here> on the main arenas just so they can avoid going to the DA or making an attempt to actually think about what makes the main arenas fun.
hmmmmmmmm well as foretold the first of the "go to the DA'ers" has lipped up to impart upon the rest of us poor foolish mortals his opinion of just how bad an idea this would be. isn't it funny that those that preach the most in their threads about what other people want are the first to want to jam down the throats of the rest of us just how what we might want shouldn't matter?
does the DA have kill shooter off???? no i think not!
does the DA have friendly collision???? no i think not!
can you kill the guy from your own country that just happens to be silly enough to fly in front of you???? no i think not!!
can you kill every red guy near you and decide that your squaddies hide would look funny stuffed and mounted on your trophy wall and kill him without having to land/ditch, switch countries, re-up, go find your squaddie (who by now probably knows what your up to) kill all the friendlies around him and then commence the hunt for your squaddies beloved skin to mount and hang upon your trophy wall???
see the "go to the DA mentality" doesn't always work for all of the insidious things that the mind of a Muppet can cook up. so instead of just being the generic type of nay-sayer why dont you help create an idea that will suit the occasion? instead of just spouting the big ball of nothing that everyone who doesn't like change spouts why don't you apply that (and no insult hidden here, compliment intended) higher level of intelligence to helping us figure a way to make it work instead of just saying "NO".
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That mentality justifies the OP's rant. It's all centered on what you want not what brings people to AH and keeps them coming back, not something that makes the main arenas better, not something that changes the lame behavior that people are so quick to whine about.
Furballs occur all the time in the LW mains. The length of time they last is determined by how long the fh or cv stays up.
In every furball, someone is going to HO, pick, kill steal, not call a check six, etc...and after a short while the furball stops being fun for the "you ain't got skillz unless you can 1v1" crowd, and they go find another fight. Or someone kills the fh and everyone yells at the "fun police".
In every furball someone is talkin trash about another persons lame behavior, as if there is some sort of ridiculous etiquette expected in a furball.
When you take away the ridiculous notions about what people think they want, it all boils down to - fighters want an opportunity to engage in an aerial battle, as long as it fits their silly ideology. Bombers want to be able to drop bombs and land with as many damage points as possible, without having to deal with someone trying to shoot them down. Tankers want to be able to have tank warz, without having to deal with someone dropping bombs on them. And the armchair generals are all trying to win the war and it doesn't matter who is doing what as long as they come running with every single "ALERT!!!"..."HELP"...blah blah blah.
But none of those groups wants to do anything without denying the others the ability to do what they want in the arenas provided for the overall community, or making silly requests for HTC to provide yet more resources just so a select few can have a few jollies. The best thing about all of that is the dueling arena has places for whatever people want to engage in, but no one wants to go there even though that is reason for it's existence. But hey, it's easier to ask HTC to declare 1 day a week <insert silly desire here> on the main arenas just so they can avoid going to the DA or making an attempt to actually think about what makes the main arenas fun.
Your correct. There are places already provided to do all these things that they dont take advantage of now, they are ghost towns now.
I would also like to address some that are trying to spin this into something about not being able to fly with squaddies or the size of a squad. It has nothing to do with that whatsoever. I can and do fly with only a few squad mates on at a time, others may even be in another arena, may not be any of us on.
So before you start your spin, recognize that a problem has been stated (from the community) about 1 side being ganged.
That issue of what many have stated is a problem with hording 1 side in this 3 sided chess game, it isn't coincidence, it isn't because they are outnumbering anyone, even if they don't have the numbers its gang 1 side. What does the communty have to say about it? Nothing.
Nothing is being done about it from the community, the one community that talks all the trash about not ruining gameplay of others, and all the other blah blah blah horsecrap they spew about wanting a decent fight. Some of the biggest names and oldest players here have totally contradicted themselves that have said they wanted "change" to this game for the better are the ones that are relishing what HT has created for them, just one big mega horde.
I don't even want to get into the idiots that don't even play that seem to have something to say about the game they don't participate in that post on the BBS..... :rolleyes:
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I don't even want to get into the idiots that don't even play that seem to have something to say about the game they don't participate in that post on the BBS..... :rolleyes:
That's always kind of stuck in my craw too Boss. It's like a fantasy footballer yelling instructions to an NFL player during the game... :rolleyes:
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I play this game for one reason: to kill other players toons.
That is where I get my enjoyment today. All other interests and desires neatly funnel into that one main overriding desire. To kill your toon.
I accept fully that other people have other reasons to play and I do not fault any of them. As long as it means I get to kill their toons.
I accept that most of the whines in this thread come from people not as far along the AH evolutionary path as myself. Someday they will be able to snatch the pebbles from my hand.
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hmmmmmmmm well as foretold the first of the "go to the DA'ers" has lipped up to impart upon the rest of us poor foolish mortals his opinion of just how bad an idea this would be. isn't it funny that those that preach the most in their threads about what other people want are the first to want to jam down the throats of the rest of us just how what we might want shouldn't matter?
does the DA have kill shooter off???? no i think not!
does the DA have friendly collision???? no i think not!
can you kill the guy from your own country that just happens to be silly enough to fly in front of you???? no i think not!!
can you kill every red guy near you and decide that your squaddies hide would look funny stuffed and mounted on your trophy wall and kill him without having to land/ditch, switch countries, re-up, go find your squaddie (who by now probably knows what your up to) kill all the friendlies around him and then commence the hunt for your squaddies beloved skin to mount and hang upon your trophy wall???
see the "go to the DA mentality" doesn't always work for all of the insidious things that the mind of a Muppet can cook up. so instead of just being the generic type of nay-sayer why dont you help create an idea that will suit the occasion? instead of just spouting the big ball of nothing that everyone who doesn't like change spouts why don't you apply that (and no insult hidden here, compliment intended) higher level of intelligence to helping us figure a way to make it work instead of just saying "NO".
You sir are a mental giant. When you find killshooter off and friendly collision on in the main arenas, there won't be anything but squeakers left in them and a hundred separate whine threads in the forums. But then someone with a high IQ would know and understand that.
Perhaps reading comprehension is not your strong suit. I never said "go to the DA". I said it's there if the garbage you first spouted is truly that important to you. I hope you understand the inference there. Read it carefully.
If you want an arena to go stupid in, try asking really nicely if one of the AvA admins would mind setting up the AvA server for something like that...you never know, you could get a whole week.
I don't even want to get into the idiots that don't even play that seem to have something to say about the game they don't participate in that post on the BBS..... :rolleyes:
I'm with you on that one. Seems to be more of them coming out of the woodwork whenever someone mentions "the good ole days".
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I accept that most of the whines in this thread come from people not as far along the AH evolutionary path as myself. Someday they will be able to snatch the pebbles from my hand.
<Sig>
"If I enjoy wasting my time is it really time wasted?"
— Me
No self esteem problems here. Even quoted his favorite person in his sig.
More seriously, AH is not about Social Darwinism. It is about what makes one happy within the framework of the game and norms of behavior per HTC.
Really, who get's dates based on their mad AH skills?
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.....Really, who get's dates based on their mad AH skills?
you serious???? I have gotten so many chicks cuz my elite pilot skill, chicks dig pilots....oh wait maybe its the long....hair ya thats gotta be it... :D
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you serious???? I have gotten so many chicks cuz my elite pilot skill, chicks dig pilots....oh wait maybe its the long....hair ya thats gotta be it... :D
You should see my Army of Muppets "Grizz" figher jacket. Needless to say, I wear it to the bars and never go home alone.
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You should see my Army of Muppets "Grizz" figher jacket. Needless to say, I wear it to the bars and never go home alone.
That’s only because they think if they hang out with you enough they may get a chance to meet the SunBat… :cool:
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You should see my Army of Muppets "Grizz" figher jacket. Needless to say, I wear it to the bars and never go home alone.
You left out the part of there being no women in these bars ;)
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You left out the part of there being no women in these bars ;)
Not after I leave there aren't.
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:rofl :rofl :rofl :cry :cry :cry :rofl :rofl :rofl
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you serious???? I have gotten so many chicks cuz my elite pilot skill, chicks dig pilots....oh wait maybe its the long....hair ya thats gotta be it... :D
Ink that's the hair on your back......and how many times must i tell you, Sunsfan in a mini skirt does not count as a "CHICK"?! :huh although he is hot in those black stilettos isn't he??? :x :x
You should see my Army of Muppet's "Grizz" figher jacket. Needless to say, I wear it to the bars and never go home alone.
Grizz you go to the "barNs" not bars!!!! i understand, just a little typo.....right? :O
as to the other guy that i was exchanging words with in this thread.
you have brought to my attention the saddening fact that you ARE NOT AS INTELIGENT as i had first perceived. so i will waste no more time in a discussion with one who is apparently mentally deficient.
a person so deficient in fact that they cannot understand that an "inference", when made with such a clarity of thought that no mistaking the makers intended meaning is reasonably possible, even to a man of common intelligence and faculties, then the inference, for purposes of all legal matters is a "statement".
maybe, before you consider being condescending and insulting to someone who just minutes before, although disagreeing with you, complimented your intelligence, you should stop and reconsider just how stupid this person may make you look while feeding you your own words.
say as you will this discussion with you is forever closed as far as im concerned, you bore me.
good day sir.
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I have not taken the time to read this whole thread but I'm sure it's just 9 pages of telling JB42 to get used to it or GTFO. However, he is 100% right. This game is a far cry from what it used to be. Some things have been made easier, some harder. All in an effort to push the game in one direction so one group of players will be happy. It used to be that at any given time there was a lot of things going on and you could pick and choose how you wanted to play. Now your choices are severely limited if you have a choice at all. Many times I log on and there is only one fight going on. A 30 plane low alt furball is not really that fun so more often than not I just log off.
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Well your saying there are no tactics and your are being outnumbered, try to learn/create tactics for multi-enemy engagement.
Or change the airplane that you fly, learn to master a new plane.
Exactly. My own question: What could 8 really good pilots, working cooperatively and with proven tactics, do to a mobbish furball?
I'm not that curious about that - because,
1. I think I know
2. I'm still trying to develop as a pilot
The OP, otoh, who seems to have some (legitimate) claim on experienced status, might want to try to break some new ground here.
Who knows, it might lead to a trend that transforms the MAs into something more like the OP's want. Leadership often looks like that - somebody trying something for the first time.
Whining, otoh, is unattractive and unproductive - and I've seen lots of people do it, have probably engaged in it myself here and there. It's just useful to remember that whining isn't the goalpost on which we drive.
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You should see my Army of Muppets "Grizz" figher jacket. Needless to say, I wear it to the bars and never go home alone.
I don't care who you are, that's funny! :rofl
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This game is a far cry from what it used to be.
a Far cry is really quite far. Are you sure you want to invoke the far cry?
Maybe a medium cry? a Close cry??
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I don't care who you are, that's funny! :rofl
Hehe...I really didn't laugh at all. For me it just wasn't funny :salute
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Hehe...I really didn't laugh at all. For me it just wasn't funny :salute
Tough crowd. :uhoh
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Hehe...I really didn't laugh at all. For me it just wasn't funny :salute
He already said he didn't care who you are. :rolleyes:
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I have not taken the time to read this whole thread but I'm sure it's just 9 pages of telling JB42 to get used to it or GTFO. However, he is 100% right. This game is a far cry from what it used to be. Some things have been made easier, some harder. All in an effort to push the game in one direction so one group of players will be happy. It used to be that at any given time there was a lot of things going on and you could pick and choose how you wanted to play. Now your choices are severely limited if you have a choice at all. Many times I log on and there is only one fight going on. A 30 plane low alt furball is not really that fun so more often than not I just log off.
So, for you and JB42 (as well as a few others) it would be more to your liking if HTC forced it to remain the way you so fondly remember back in the "good ole days". Fewer plane choices, older graphics, few terrains, same squeakers, same whines, etc... I would say there is the Mid war were there is less hording and picking, but that would garner some silly retort along the lines of "shouldn't have to", "don't feel like flying around for an hour looking for a fight", "can't fly my superduperlatewarmonster like I want", or some other nonsense to try and deflect any attempt at using common sense just because of ones childish notion that one should always get what one wants exactly the way one wants it. Nevermind the fact that normal mature adults understand that our experiences are made from 99% of our own choices, not other peoples.
as to the other guy that i was exchanging words with in this thread.
you have brought to my attention the saddening fact that you ARE NOT AS INTELIGENT as i had first perceived. so i will waste no more time in a discussion with one who is apparently mentally deficient.
a person so deficient in fact that they cannot understand that an "inference", when made with such a clarity of thought that no mistaking the makers intended meaning is reasonably possible, even to a man of common intelligence and faculties, then the inference, for purposes of all legal matters is a "statement".
maybe, before you consider being condescending and insulting to someone who just minutes before, although disagreeing with you, complimented your intelligence, you should stop and reconsider just how stupid this person may make you look while feeding you your own words.
Obviously you didn't get the inference, nor know the actual definition. Try as I might, it is nigh impossible to view any compliment in your previous posting, whether it was direct, inferred, or otherwise.
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Hehe...I really didn't laugh at all. For me it just wasn't funny :salute
Don't worry, one of these days your jacket too will be attractive and broken in with more than just the flying dumbo and cadet badge on it.
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I would say there is the Mid war were there is less hording and picking, but that would garner some silly retort along the lines of "shouldn't have to", "don't feel like flying around for an hour looking for a fight", "can't fly my superduperlatewarmonster like I want", or some other nonsense to try and deflect any attempt at using common sense just because of ones childish notion that one should always get what one wants exactly the way one wants it.
This.
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Im guessing Gyrene hasnt been in MW in the last 6 months lol. Thats exactly what MW has turned into and why I have moved to LW for the most part. Use to be able to get decent fights but not really anymore. You get the same 5 on 1 or if you get lucky enough for a 1v1 one or my "friends" show up and make it a 4v1
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a Far cry is really quite far. Are you sure you want to invoke the far cry?
Maybe a medium cry? a Close cry??
Yup, far.
Really, really far.
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So, for you and JB42 (as well as a few others) it would be more to your liking if HTC forced it to remain the way you so fondly remember back in the "good ole days". Fewer plane choices, older graphics, few terrains, same squeakers, same whines, etc... I would say there is the Mid war were there is less hording and picking, but that would garner some silly retort along the lines of "shouldn't have to", "don't feel like flying around for an hour looking for a fight", "can't fly my superduperlatewarmonster like I want", or some other nonsense to try and deflect any attempt at using common sense just because of ones childish notion that one should always get what one wants exactly the way one wants it. Nevermind the fact that normal mature adults understand that our experiences are made from 99% of our own choices, not other peoples.
Since I started playing there has been 3 new planes and some terrains have actually gone away. As far as graphics, the new stuff is better but still really outdated. It would be nice to have more trees like we used to have. There will always be squeakers and whiners and both should just be ignored.
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Exactly. My own question: What could 8 really good pilots, working cooperatively and with proven tactics, do to a mobbish furball?
What you'll find is the mob moving elsewhere. Any kind of decent resistance tends to do this.
To clarify. If you have guys on both sides of the fight who are actually looking to fight, things will be different and a decent ongoing brawl can be had. If it's all about the base take, then you can just about bet the house the mob will find a spot where there is less resistance.
I was up for a bit the other night and was flying for the low numbers side. A mob was doing everything they could to take one base and there was a decent defense that was denying them. It was a halfway decent fight too, even though it meant upping into a crowd.
Some guy comes on 200 gloating about how they'd taken three bases while we were defending the other base. It absolutely amazed me that he saw any sort of accomplishment in taking three undefended bases thanks to his team having more numbers.
I would like to think that in the overall scheme of things, a good fight would be far more important then cartoon real estate. But that's a different argument I guess :)
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Not after I leave there aren't.
Bazinga!!!!
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as to the other guy that i was exchanging words with in this thread.
you have brought to my attention the saddening fact that you ARE NOT AS INTELIGENT as i had first perceived. so i will waste no more time in a discussion with one who is apparently mentally deficient.
a person so deficient in fact that they cannot understand that an "inference", when made with such a clarity of thought that no mistaking the makers intended meaning is reasonably possible, even to a man of common intelligence and faculties, then the inference, for purposes of all legal matters is a "statement".
maybe, before you consider being condescending and insulting to someone who just minutes before, although disagreeing with you, complimented your intelligence, you should stop and reconsider just how stupid this person may make you look while feeding you
Nothing better then a grown man stating how intelligent he is and how another isn't in a forum regarding a freaking VIDEO game. Seriously gents everybody needs to get over themselves. Can't be too bright if you spend the majority of your free time playing a freaking video game. C'mon you guys really can't be serious, GET OVER YOURSELVES! It's a video game nothing more nothing less. I'm better then you cause I fly a p-38 I'm better then you because I do this etc... seriously take a step back and think about it. LMFAO i read these forums everyday and I just laugh how pathetic am I to name myself DMGOD. yet I read the stuff you holier then thou people write and I think geez these guys are way worse then me. lol ladies get a grip <3 DMGOD
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calm down willis
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You left out the part of there being no women in these bars ;)
Shhh...dont' tell Grizz that those beauty queens were...queens. Don't want to spoil his fun.
Since I started playing there has been 3 new planes and some terrains have actually gone away. As far as graphics, the new stuff is better but still really outdated. It would be nice to have more trees like we used to have. There will always be squeakers and whiners and both should just be ignored.
You do realize the terrains are made by players, if you want a terrain with more trees, make one and submit it. Explain how you think the new stuff is outdated? Are you measuring it against another flight sim or an FPS? I know you're wrong when matched head to head against direct competitors but, I'd like to see what you're thinking.
Why should the squeakers and whiners be ignored now, they weren't in the past...and strange as it may seem to you, "the game isn't what it used to be...blah...blah...blah...the good old days" rant is a whine which puts you in the whiner category. If only temporarily.
I know from other players that have been around longer than you that at least since you have been playing, there have been hordes and rants about the hordes. As far back as anyone can remember there has always been dweeb behavior and rants about the dweeb behavior. The only time it was not a huge factor was back in the day when you paid by the minute to be online, so everyone was careful about how they engaged another player...but then these days, careful means timid. Back then everyone used as much of an advantage as they could get...but if you do that today, your not only timid, your a picker or run dweeb or some other b.s. It's really quite comical how nobody seems to remember the true reality of how things were done in the past versus now.
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Nothing better then a grown man stating how intelligent he is and how another isn't in a forum regarding a freaking VIDEO game. Seriously gents everybody needs to get over themselves. Can't be too bright if you spend the majority of your free time playing a freaking video game. C'mon you guys really can't be serious, GET OVER YOURSELVES! It's a video game nothing more nothing less. I'm better then you cause I fly a p-38 I'm better then you because I do this etc... seriously take a step back and think about it. LMFAO i read these forums everyday and I just laugh how pathetic am I to name myself DMGOD. yet I read the stuff you holier then thou people write and I think geez these guys are way worse then me. lol ladies get a grip <3 DMGOD
LMAO bout time you chimed in.
Hey Grizz was looking for you, he had the impression that you wanted to leave the bar with him in his jacket.
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Perhaps I observed an odd week, but I couldn't help asking myself, if HTC wanted the game to be this, why bother having base captures? Why bother having factories or zone bases? Hell, why bother having HQ? I knew where the enemy was. They were over the same two Rook bases the entire time i was logged on. For all intents and purposes, couldn't what now is happening be achieved with 6 bases?
Agreed ! The game has been mutilated over past years, there's nothing left to promote fights, nothing to fight for, unless you want to have your name posted on front page.
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See rule #4
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You have a game that is slowly going away from strategy and objectives and closer to the arcade game 1945. You have your longtime core subscribers falling off while the influx of 12 year old squekers take their place, only to be gone when the next Halo comes out. Is this what you wanted?
Where have you been. This happened like 8 years ago. lol
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Good post JB... sad, but true. (the first one).
T.
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Agreed ! The game has been mutilated over past years, there's nothing left to promote fights, nothing to fight for, unless you want to have your name posted on front page.
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the fight is the reason to fight....the fight is where its at.
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the fight is the reason to fight....the fight is where its at.
Well there's the problem. Most don't want to fight, they want to point the nose of their cartoon ride at the nearest opposing player, fire, and hope it goes boom. Or, they want to join in and go horde an undefended base. Oh there's a few who love the fight, but they're a huge minority these days. Do this, at any particular time: Log on, open up the map and turn everything off, then look at the darbars... you will seldom find any big green AND red darbars closer than 10 sectors of each other. When you do, the fun police inevitably show up and shut it down. It just is.
There is very little "fight" going on these days, especially between Bish/Knits % Rooks.
T.
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Well there's the problem. Most don't want to fight, they want to point the nose of their cartoon ride at the nearest opposing player, fire, and hope it goes boom. Or, they want to join in and go horde an undefended base. Oh there's a few who love the fight, but they're a huge minority these days. Do this, at any particular time: Log on, open up the map and turn everything off, then look at the darbars... you will seldom find any big green AND red darbars closer than 10 sectors of each other. When you do, the fun police inevitably show up and shut it down. It just is.
There is very little "fight" going on these days, especially between Bish/Knits % Rooks.
T.
I absolutely hear ya, but I do not care about them, most are lemmings, I have learned to love the lemmings, it is so insanely fun to attack a horde of 15-20 red guys, heck even more :lol
I love the fight, I enjoy a great 1vs1 but seriously, I would rather fight the numbers the only thing that gets my adrenaline pumping is the horde, that is one of the main reasons I am still here
I dont care what the map looks like...or what the bomber guys bomb(except tank town fields)
I dont care who runs......... who ack hugs........who HO's.....who gangs.............ECT...ECT
I enjoy flying with my squadies, and fighting the horde :aok
everything else is there for those who like that, I would say HTC is doing a very good job, every time I log there is a horde to fight :t
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The fights were over the same 3 bases and remained there for the duration of my online time. I admit there were a few diversion attacks, and a few were actually succesful, but after the base capture, the majority of the flyer fell back into the fold of the numbers.
Perhaps I observed an odd week, but I couldn't help asking myself, if HTC wanted the game to be this, why bother having base captures?
Serious question ... what game were/are you playing? Two Bish map resets in Pink/Orange and a Rook reset in Blue the past week. The only thing correct in your assessment is that this was an odd week ... because this is the first time in quite some time that there has been a map reset.
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There is very little "fight" going on these days, especially between Bish/Knits % Rooks.
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I disagree. All I do is fight - and I can invariably find a fight. I had a beautiful and LENGHTY 1v1 against some guy named bmed just last week. I kept my g-14 on his tail, for the most part, thorough a lengthy series of maneuvers before taking his wing. While he was unable to reverse the situation, his evasives were truly difficult to follow - and he didn't give up.
All last w/e there was a huge furball going in the NE corner of MA Orange. It gave me ample opportunity to come in at about 12k and work the vertical on the opposing groups of enemy. There was a lot of variety and plenty of killing and being killed. I can't think of a better way to work on my SA and in situ tactical eval than with that kind of highly fluid many-on-many clusterball.
Of course, some bombmentallychallengedperson had to take down the Knight FH at some point but we got over it.
As for any questions of flight model impropriety, I challenge the OP to level specific charges. To shirk that puts him in the category of Gaston vis-a-vis the F-dubs.
If he's got a problem with the way twins are modeled, I'd like to see it specified and posted for some open critique. I doubt his charges could hold water.
Finally, I appreciate DMGods call for perspective. I have to say, I've always had a bit of a senseless grudge against him because, after being killed by him a time or two, I managed to shoot him down with a lucky pass during a furball. At some point shortly after that, I got oiled. My escape attempt was foiled by one of his squaddies who, in an act of revenge worthy of Inigo Montoya, trailed me away from that furball for what must've been 10 minutes. Eventually, he caught me and blew my wing off, neatly spoiling my desire to see how many perkies I'd've gotten for that kill.
It's like he says, though... Anybody who's supplanted RL with this game's got other problems and should probably take some time off to go deal with those problems. I guess I'll have to take down the poster I have depicting him as a red-eyed demon intent on despoiling innocent women and children.
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:headscratch:
the fight is the reason to fight....the fight is where its at.
Then by this logic all arenas should be WW1 Arena format. Simplistic objective, no higher objective.
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Also keep in mind the things that haven't changed. Dive bombing 4 engine bombers. Two engine bombers out flying single engine fighters. Bushes flipping tanks.
In HTC’s defense, their input here is the physics. Player behavior diverges from historical behaviors because there is no negative consequences. A six man crew (a guess for the Lancaster) doesn’t die every time an AH player does a suicide run. All HTC has done is model the planes performance and set a damage/failure model.
The iron bushes are an interesting design choice. I am guessing that it has to do with the coding and resource issues of trying to model the physics of every blade of grass.
You have a game that is evolving into one massive furball. You have a game that has many known and old issues unresolved. You have a game that is slowly going away from strategy and objectives and closer to the arcade game 1945.
I disagree with the doom and gloom, but I will make a concession.
Last night, JB42, you and another guy came over against the Knights, away from the main furball. It was a good mix of planes (C.205, Yak-9U, P-47D11) and a 2v2, 3v2. You sent me to the tower, I collided with someone. Any, soon, about 10 knights launched and overwhelmed a reasonable fight.
This, again, is player behavior. What can HTC do about it?
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Then by this logic all arenas should be WW1 Arena format. Simplistic objective, no higher objective.
Right... there'd be no call for altitude or to up anything other than fighters. I love the variety.I just don't get this guy's major malfunction - but then, I only joined last year.
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Right... there'd be no call for altitude or to up anything other than fighters. I love the variety.I just don't get this guy's major malfunction - but then, I only joined last year.
Not a malfunction, as every subscriber plays for different reasons. Personally, I fight toward and end goal, not simply to win another fight in a myriad of fights. Too simplistic of a game would lose my interest very quickly. Complexity is intriguing.
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as to the other guy that i was exchanging words with in this thread.
you have brought to my attention the saddening fact that you ARE NOT AS INTELIGENT as i had first perceived. so i will waste no more time in a discussion with one who is apparently mentally deficient.
a person so deficient in fact that they cannot understand that an "inference", when made with such a clarity of thought that no mistaking the makers intended meaning is reasonably possible, even to a man of common intelligence and faculties, then the inference, for purposes of all legal matters is a "statement".
maybe, before you consider being condescending and insulting to someone who just minutes before, although disagreeing with you, complimented your intelligence, you should stop and reconsider just how stupid this person may make you look while feeding you
Nothing better then a grown man stating how intelligent he is and how another isn't in a forum regarding a freaking VIDEO game. Seriously gents everybody needs to get over themselves. Can't be too bright if you spend the majority of your free time playing a freaking video game. C'mon you guys really can't be serious, GET OVER YOURSELVES! It's a video game nothing more nothing less. I'm better then you cause I fly a p-38 I'm better then you because I do this etc... seriously take a step back and think about it. LMFAO i read these forums everyday and I just laugh how pathetic am I to name myself DMGOD. yet I read the stuff you holier then thou people write and I think geez these guys are way worse then me. lol ladies get a grip <3 DMGOD
Kinda sounds like the things said on channel 200 :x........Popcorn anyone :cheers:
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Not a malfunction, as every subscriber plays for different reasons. Personally, I fight toward and end goal, not simply to win another fight in a myriad of fights. Too simplistic of a game would lose my interest very quickly. Complexity is intriguing.
There are a lot of people with the same attitude playing right now, which makes it suitable for a larger number of people.
The thing is JB42, his buddies, the people who no longer play but feel inclined to include their half penny of intellect, and the rest who think HTC should make AH so every active player does things their way, have the notion that if 95% of the player population isn't doing things the way they think it should be done, then it's broken and HTC should fix it. Your typical schoolyard deflection of responsibility, "they should be doing it my way".
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I made my observations and asked HTC if this is what they wanted. I don't recall EVER asking for anything to be changed. Thanks for injecting your opinion into my mind. Now get out!
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Ive come up against jb42 before. Anything you do that prevents him from killing you is YOUR fault. and anything you do that kills him is YOUR fault.
lolz
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Ive come up against jb42 before. Anything you do that prevents him from killing you is YOUR fault. and anything you do that kills him is YOUR fault.
lolz
I wasn't going there but that's kind of the opinion I was starting to form. I hereby open the "race to the bottom" on this topic. Get IN now!
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Tough crowd. :uhoh
Yeeeesh. Yes. Besides you never said who or what you were leaving with... :bolt:
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I made my observations and asked HTC if this is what they wanted. I don't recall EVER asking for anything to be changed. Thanks for injecting your opinion into my mind. Now get out!
Seems kind of obvious don't it? Ever consider that the problem is your attitude and nothing else? Seems like a whole lot of people are still having fun in spite of your "observations". Such a sad little person you must be...a video game is controlling your life.
I wasn't going there but that's kind of the opinion I was starting to form. I hereby open the "race to the bottom" on this topic. Get IN now!
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Incredible, Intangible, and INconceivable!
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only time it was not a huge factor was back in the day when you paid by the minute to be online, so everyone was careful about how they engaged another player...but then these days, careful means timid. Back then everyone used as much of an advantage as they could get...but if you do that today, your not only timid, your a picker or run dweeb or some other b.s. It's really quite comical how nobody seems to remember the true reality of how things were done in the past versus now.
It was my experience when Air Warrior and Warbirds were pay by the hour, fights were easier, there was less of a tendency to hord and it was rare to run into someone that was more willing to tuck their tail and run than fight. Of course, when you're paying $6 - $12 bucks an hour to play, you just want to jump into the thick of things instead of literally wasting money flying around like a old lady out for a Sunday drive.
ack-ack
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Before:
33% furballing (few and or massive) or also 1 vs 1 (expecially when there were factories etc.)
33% base capturing
33% field defending
1% bad use of chat! :bolt: :lol
Now?
90% flying to kill bugs!
10% super huge field capturing :noid
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Then by this logic all arenas should be WW1 Arena format. Simplistic objective, no higher objective.
hell no what would the "bomber dweebs" such as yourself do :aok
I don't think they should change anything.
I very much enjoy killing the way I do, can give two F.. what the rest do.
99% of the MA crowd thinks it's Cool and fun to hoard, I think its cool and fun to fight them.
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JB42
Hey bud,
your wasting your breath. those that think that the simple minded answer of "you just want everyone to fly your way" have taken over the thread. there is no more chance to have a reasonable and or interesting conversation or debate on any of these issues in this thread anymore. no matter what you say that will be their responce, funniest part about it is that they seem to think this is some new and original thought they are having. they don't seem to realize that every time a thread comes up with any thought of finding a new way to do ANYTHING in this game then the answer of "you want everyone to do things your way" is always the boilerplate answer vomited out of the mouths of the weak minded.
although i do not agree with all of your observations, or agree that all of this is remotely within HTC's ability to change, i do agree that reminding the powers that be from time to time that long term players need to be remembered too when implementing change)s) that will change the manner newer or less mature players act is important.
gyrene81 now to you sir, i may owe an apology. i have reread the conversation between us and maybe my original responce to you was hostile in its mannerism when i wasn't intending to be so. if i am the one that ruffled the feathers between us then i do apologize. this does not mean i agree with your point of view, to the contrary i still think a once in a while FFA arena would make for a fun and interesting night. but i had no intention of turning this thread into anything more than a good hearted discussion, not into an argument or a battle of wordy insults. i was and still am serious when i inferred ( :) ) that you were intelligent. you are well spoken and intelligent in your posts. so i do retract and apologize for any and every statement i made to the contray of that fact.
Nothing better then a grown man stating how intelligent he is and how another isn't in a forum regarding a freaking VIDEO game. Seriously gents everybody needs to get over themselves. Can't be too bright if you spend the majority of your free time playing a freaking video game. C'mon you guys really can't be serious, GET OVER YOURSELVES! It's a video game nothing more nothing less. I'm better then you cause I fly a p-38 I'm better then you because I do this etc... seriously take a step back and think about it. LMFAO i read these forums everyday and I just laugh how pathetic am I to name myself DMGOD. yet I read the stuff you holier then thou people write and I think geez these guys are way worse then me. lol ladies get a grip <3 DMGOD
DM i can say that before i spout off at the mouth about how serious someone does or does not take this game, at least check that the facts actually support the garbage i am about to spew out onto the forum.
this game controls my life???? TARD!
as nothing you have written in your posts have inspired me to believe you are a man of any, let alone higher, intellect, i will, for you benefit, try to keep my words small and the sentences around a child's reading level.
i have been out of the game for a little under a year and am just now returning to it. believe it or not my real life kept me pretty busy for awhile there. i entered this thread because i liked an idea that a squaddie brought up. i have made no mention on my style of play or my personal likes or dislikes within the game itself. i was discussing one thought, one idea. now whether i have been here for 20 years or 20 minutes, the liking or disliking an idea has nothing to do with how much time is invested into the game.
you are a troll, you seem to think my conversation with gyrene81 had something in it that gave you some insight or purpose in flapping your lips in an obviously lame manner intended only to insult or degrade others. obviously your RL must be lacking in many many ways if all you can manage to do with yourself is to spend your time reading these boards and hunt for some excuse to run your mouth.
go away ye of childish mentality, let the adults go back to speaking in big people words now.
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I don't think they should change anything.
I very much enjoy killing the way I do, can give two F.. what the rest do.
99% of the MA crowd thinks it's Cool and fun to hoard, I think its cool and fun to fight them.
Your statement has me confused. What horde might you be referring too?
Let me put things into perspective on what has been observed and then let me ask you a question.
If you observe Side A with 50 players, Side B with 50 players, Side C with 60 players, and both A and B are only attacking C, who is the horde?
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Your statement has me confused. What horde might you be referring too?
Let me put things into perspective on what has been observed and then let me ask you a question.
If you observe Side A with 50 players, Side B with 50 players, Side C with 60 players, and both A and B are only attacking C, who is the horde?
Hordes have nothing to do with country numbers and all to do with the ratio of green:red ratio in individual sectors. Common misconception.
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Hordes have nothing to do with country numbers and all to do with the ratio of green:red ratio in individual sectors. Common misconception.
Exactly, and the example is not a ratio?
My question was, If you observe Side A with 50 players, Side B with 50 players, Side C with 60 players, and both A and B are only attacking C, who is the horde?
At best side C would be able to bring 60vs50 to a single front, but at best 30vs50 between the two fronts. Again, Who is hording?
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I have some screenshots of the map when I logged in this morning dads,
There was a Knight/rook fight and Bish were attacking Knights with NO fight between Rooks and Bish. Sometimes it is good to see things from the other sides because it happens to all teams you just don't notice it in the midst of your loyal Bish pride. ;)
Most perceived hording is a direct result of MAP positions and NOT chess piece preference.
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I have some screenshots of the map when I logged in this morning dads,
There was a Knight/rook fight and Bish were attacking Knights with NO fight between Rooks and Bish. Sometimes it is good to see things from the other sides because it happens to all teams you just don't notice it in the midst of your loyal Bish pride. ;)
Most perceived hording is a direct result of MAP positions and NOT chess piece preference.
My loyalty rests not in a simple chess piece, as a matter of fact I was a rook for some time just the other day. Hence my point in understanding where the loyalty you speak of really rests. :aok
I do realize it may happen between all sides, some more often than others, but however, it is a community effort to prevent it.
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Most perceived hording is a direct result of MAP positions and NOT chess piece preference.
Exactly.
Unfortunately many players only seem to notice hording, hence the prevalent "why do only we get horded? why do *insert two chesspieces* never fight each other?" whines.
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Your statement has me confused. What horde might you be referring too?
Let me put things into perspective on what has been observed and then let me ask you a question.
If you observe Side A with 50 players, Side B with 50 players, Side C with 60 players, and both A and B are only attacking C, who is the horde?
there are times that I have to switch to the higher numbered side so I can fight the hoard, I don't really pay attention to the numbers I look for full red dars even better when it is two full red dars, and no green dar, and yes the lower number side quite often is the side with the biggest hoard.
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Exactly.
Unfortunately many players only seem to notice hording, hence the prevalent "why do only we get horded? why do *insert two chesspieces* never fight each other?" whines.
Lusche, please spare me. I respectfully had asked a simple question that did not involve a whine, I asked a very simple logical question.
Without prejudice, try to answer the question with an open mind and not an open mouth....... ;)
there are times that I have to switch to the higher numbered side so I can fight the hoard, I don't really pay attention to the numbers I look for full red dars even better when it is two full red dars, and no green dar, and yes the lower number side quite often is the side with the biggest hoard.
Thanks for the clarification, and not to say that you dont do what you say, but I have seen many say they do just that and go to the "no green dar" side but actually dont. You can find them in the two full red dars though.
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Lusche, please spare me. I respectfully asked asked a simple question that did not involve a whine, I asked a very simple logical question.
Did I refer to you in any way?
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Did I refer to you in any way?
Directly or indirectly?
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Directly or indirectly?
Both.
Answer: No, I didn't. I did not even read what you wrote. I just quoted a single sentence by Bruv, which described a very basic fact. That's all.
Most perceived hording is a direct result of MAP positions and NOT chess piece preference.
There is no reference to you in my post, or in that quote.
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Both.
Answer: No, I didn't. I did not even read what you wrote. I just quoted a single sentence by Bruv, which described a very basic fact. That's all.
There is no reference to you in my post, or in that quote.
The misunderstanding is all mine. I apologize if I seemed disrespectful or for any inconvenience my comment has caused.
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JB42
Hey bud,
your wasting your breath. those that think that the simple minded answer of "you just want everyone to fly your way" ...
And so on... Flots, I think MY beef (not speaking for anyone but myself) with the OP has nothing to do with what you postulate here but rather 2 things:
1. a lack of specificity - he makes a general gripe but doesn't isolate ANYTHING actionable. If we are to admonish HTC to improve the game, let's give him something he can do - not some ambiguous complaint about "it just doesn't feel right". Admittedly, this is harder than it seems. Trust me on this - my company, for one example, has spent countless hours and dollars trying to figure out why the competition has a higher quality look, feel or other better attribute. We talk about a cascade from general perception to specific, quantifiable attribute.
In short, translate to something a technical person can understand and you're much more likely to get a result. Try going into any car dealership, if you want a simple example, and telling them, "my car doesn't feel right." Compare that result to going in and saying "I need new brake pads".
For example, the OP's comment about "twins outflying fighters" - what does that mean? Does he have some specific complaint about the flight model or is this just some anecdotal abservation that was mor e illustrative of a disparity in pilot skill than anything else?
2. It also seems that the OP has a failure of imagination if he posits some barbarian mass of pilots and cannot see that as an opportunity. That he does not strikes me as tantamount to running up the white flag - admitting he's beaten.
There's more - like how does playing for unlimited time hurt immersion? I suspect it's more like RL that you're not scrambling to get into a fight just to save dollars. I get a very strong impression that, life on the line, RL pilots are much less eager to get into a scrap of uncertain advantage.
And so on...
I don't know that anyone is trying to duck a spirited and thoughtful discussion here but I'm waiting for the OP to provide some examples of specifics to go with his generally full-diapered "argument".
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Thanks for the clarification, and not to say that you dont do what you say, but I have seen many say they do just that and go to the "no green dar" side but actually dont. You can find them in the two full red dars though.
I have been flying the same way since tour 52, I wont say 100% of the time I am against the hoard, a lot of times it will be a few friendlies and before ya know it, we are at their base and we become the hoard ( I truly hate that). many many times in that situation if I can switch sides, I do, and will the fight the guys I was just giving out chk6 to, which really pisses some people off :rofl
I also like to go to the base the nme hoard is rolling from and come in with ALT, and end up on the deck fighting 10 plus nme.
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Now that the bases are harder to take, maybed we can get rid of that rats nest of radar circles and return to normal without a lot of carebear tears.
+1
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And so on... Flots, I think MY beef (not speaking for anyone but myself) with the OP has nothing to do with what you postulate here but rather 2 things:
1. a lack of specificity - he makes a general gripe but doesn't isolate ANYTHING actionable. If we are to admonish HTC to improve the game, let's give him something he can do - not some ambiguous complaint about "it just doesn't feel right". Admittedly, this is harder than it seems. Trust me on this - my company, for one example, has spent countless hours and dollars trying to figure out why the competition has a higher quality look, feel or other better attribute. We talk about a cascade from general perception to specific, quantifiable attribute.
In short, translate to something a technical person can understand and you're much more likely to get a result. Try going into any car dealership, if you want a simple example, and telling them, "my car doesn't feel right." Compare that result to going in and saying "I need new brake pads".
For example, the OP's comment about "twins outflying fighters" - what does that mean? Does he have some specific complaint about the flight model or is this just some anecdotal abservation that was mor e illustrative of a disparity in pilot skill than anything else?
2. It also seems that the OP has a failure of imagination if he posits some barbarian mass of pilots and cannot see that as an opportunity. That he does not strikes me as tantamount to running up the white flag - admitting he's beaten.
There's more - like how does playing for unlimited time hurt immersion? I suspect it's more like RL that you're not scrambling to get into a fight just to save dollars. I get a very strong impression that, life on the line, RL pilots are much less eager to get into a scrap of uncertain advantage.
And so on...
I don't know that anyone is trying to duck a spirited and thoughtful discussion here but I'm waiting for the OP to provide some examples of specifics to go with his generally full-diapered "argument".
Agreed, clairity of thought from the OP would add a level of demenssion to this conversation that is currently lacking. well spoken!
<<S>>
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See rule #4
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I'll lay you 10 to 1 odds that you're wrong on that front...
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Gosh I hope you're right.
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On this I'm pretty sure.
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See rule #4.
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See rule #4.
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See rule #4.
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I bow to your greatness all I have left in my bag of pretty much empty is
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v99/dichotomy/ahfight-1.gif)
;)
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I totally agree with JB42 <S>. It's relative noobies and pandering to them and furballers. When you said put a quarter in i laughed caused that's exactly what i think AH is... an arcade game. I could see that when they came out with the silly ww1 arena. But like tonight it's not even that. With a 29 ENY in one arena and not able to go into the other arena, the only choice is to quit. Almost everyone flies the late arenas. I don't know the use of the early or mid arenas. A lot of good my $14.95 is. 59 quarters to pull the plunger and watch the ball. Need to change my hit sounds to "ding-ding".
To be fair, graphics wise I am impressed with the new towns and fields. I don't mind them being harder cause that just takes more teamwork. (something the knights need to re-learn) :salute
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I bow to your greatness all I have left in my bag of pretty much empty is
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v99/dichotomy/ahfight-1.gif)
;)
You are too kind, sir. Just a humble attempt to save us from whining........one whine at a time. So much energy expended on trivia.....such a pity.
By the way, nice animation! Are you the author?
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to Dichotomy,
:rofl
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When you said put a quarter in i laughed caused that's exactly what i think AH is... an arcade game. I could see that when they came out with the silly ww1 arena.
After the enthusiasm over that new idea, that arcade sure flopped.
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Puma, no to either but I did edit both of them for use specifically in here. :D
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I totally agree with JB42 <S>. It's relative noobies and pandering to them and furballers. When you said put a quarter in i laughed caused that's exactly what i think AH is... an arcade game. I could see that when they came out with the silly ww1 arena. But like tonight it's not even that. With a 29 ENY in one arena and not able to go into the other arena, the only choice is to quit. Almost everyone flies the late arenas. I don't know the use of the early or mid arenas. A lot of good my $14.95 is. 59 quarters to pull the plunger and watch the ball. Need to change my hit sounds to "ding-ding".
To be fair, graphics wise I am impressed with the new towns and fields. I don't mind them being harder cause that just takes more teamwork. (something the knights need to re-learn) :salute
What would you have HTC do there Mister Wizard? See, you, JB42, and the rest whining in their Gerber pudding should think back to when you were noobs and logged into the main arenas for the first time. But then I'm sure all of the "I've been here since AW on Genie" "oh the good ole days" crowd were experts before they even saw the game. Fact is everyone starts out as a noob and if the game forced you to play the way you're thinking it should be done right now, very few would be here lamenting the goold ole days, you would be doing something else.
The main arenas exist to give every player from 2 week geek to uber ace experten a level playing field. Everything that happens is player choice. They have to be that way or the population of players you see now would not exist, very few people would extend beyond their 2 week trial. Once you clowns get that into your little craniums life will be much easier for you. But then maybe that's what all the short sighted little minds of the adult children crying in their oatmeal want, only the airplanes they want to use being available in the hangar, 1999 graphics and terrains, everyone forced to play the way they think it should be played, and just 50 other 1d10ts in the same arena doing the exact same thing, regardless of whether or not HTC could stay in business.
You want something besides arcade? Go to the AvA, or participate in a scenario. But then you probably couldn't handle the settings...so that would mean arcade is what you really want.
gyrene81 now to you sir, i may owe an apology. i have reread the conversation between us and maybe my original responce to you was hostile in its mannerism when i wasn't intending to be so. if i am the one that ruffled the feathers between us then i do apologize. this does not mean i agree with your point of view, to the contrary i still think a once in a while FFA arena would make for a fun and interesting night. but i had no intention of turning this thread into anything more than a good hearted discussion, not into an argument or a battle of wordy insults. i was and still am serious when i inferred ( :) ) that you were intelligent. you are well spoken and intelligent in your posts. so i do retract and apologize for any and every statement i made to the contray of that fact.
FLOTSOM, no need for an apology. I fired first on the merge. One thing that bothers me to no end is to see grown men spending precious moments of their lives crying about a video game in a public online forum like children throwing a temper tantrum in a store, and I do not hesitate to point out the flawed intellect behind that kind of behavior. Your choice of words prompted my rather sharp response.
I realize I'm probably in the minority with the belief that AH is a game that has been created in a manner that allows me to make of it what I want. There is not one other person playing AH that dictates how my life turns out on any given day. Don't get me wrong, there are things about AH that bother me but I cannot substantiate my dislikes with adequate historical documentation so as an adult I make the choice to continue without putting blame on HTC for what I find to be to my disliking. I don't enjoy every aspect of AH or the events as they occur in the main arenas, but for me to dwell on what I dislike and allow it to taint my experience puts the power and the responsibility of my enjoyment on the shoulders of HTC and every other player in AH. And no one carries that power over me, but there are grown men within this community that cannot take such responsibility upon themselves and feel justified in making everyone else responsible for thier experiences. If they would "man up" like the rest of us adults, their experiences could very well be different.
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What would you have HTC do there Mister Wizard?
On the upside, JB won't be wanting for holes from which to make dookie.
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After the enthusiasm over that new idea, that arcade sure flopped.
what a cheap shot. To quote an old truth: "Don't go away mad.......just go away".
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Ive come up against jb42 before. Anything you do that prevents him from killing you is YOUR fault. and anything you do that kills him is YOUR fault.
lolz
Quite possibly the most ridiculous post I've read to date. I've never known JB42 to be anything but a classy opponent. Win or lose.
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Quite possibly the most ridiculous post I've read to date. I've never known JB42 to be anything but a classy opponent. Win or lose.
I can't say either way... but I enjoyed the hyperventilated invective anyway. There's little that rivals character assassination for pure entertainment value.
You might say the post to which you're respeonding was "extrapolating" based on the OP's post.
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eh...maybe it was bear76? these dolts with numbers in their name tend to glob together in my mind.
:neener:
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Economics 101 I learned all consumer products have a life span. To keep the game going and hopefully profitable and keep the numbers of people coming to Aces High to make it monetarily feasible to stay in business, they invented the word MARKETING.
And as Mel Brooks said in one of his movies, MERCHANDISING (LOL)!
If the game doesn't change it is going to die.
Yeah, you guys gotta' work on the merchandising aspect of the game: coffee mugs, ball caps, beer steins and t-shirts.
I think the days of capturing a base solo is long gone. Seems like the game is more geared for organized squad sorties if base capture is the goal.
I read the book "In Pursuit" and tried flying in WWII Online. The flight model to Aces High is so much better.
This game has become a shell of what it used to be. I have been flying this game since 2000, less and less often as time goes buy. It doesn't suprise me why those that leave do. What Happened? It has devolved into just one mass of planes flying into another. There are no tactics, strategy, no reason other than fly into one area of the map and hope you can get a kill or two before being raped.
You made the bases harder to capture and the planes easier to fly. There is no emmersion anymore. I feel like everytime I takeoff, I should put a quarter in my computer. Its gone from a combat flight sim and real time strategy to an arcade game.
I remember when I couldn't wait to get home and fly. I even went to a couple of cons to meet those who i flew against or with. Now it's just a facebook account to keep in touch with some of the older fliers. Even their numbers are starting to dwindle.
For now I continue to play, but not with the same enthusiasm as I had in the past. Not nearly the entusiasm as I had in the past.
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eh...maybe it was bear76? these dolts with numbers in their name tend to glob together in my mind.
:neener:
When all of them have handed your arse to ya...it tends to happen.
:salute 11
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oh the sheer horror of it all!!~~~ the JBs are primed! run for teh hillz :x
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Primed for what?
:salute 11
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:salute 51
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The OP and his bud(s) could go to the "other place". It still runs very well on a P-4 system with an AGP graphics card. There are no hordes to deal with. A variety of (ahem) terrains. The radar settings would be suitable. There is even a tiered subscription system in place. Just have to watch for trees that are "planted" 50 feet off the deck, and runways that sit right in the middle of towns.
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............One thing that bothers me to no end is to see grown men spending precious moments of their lives crying about a video game in a public online forum like children throwing a temper tantrum in a store, and I do not hesitate to point out the flawed intellect behind that kind of behavior............
You seem to spend a lot of time in here whining about whines. I mean 4293 posts in 13 months? You certainly contribute more than your share.
Or is this forum just for ewe?
Pot/Kettle
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You seem to spend a lot of time in here whining about whines. I mean 4293 posts in 13 months? You certainly contribute more than your share.
Or is this forum just for ewe?
Pot/Kettle
You should call the nearest Sylvan learning center. Might help you figure out the difference between a whine and poigniant commentary on childish behavior. If that happens, come back and try conversing with me, I may pay attention.
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Come fly in the WW1 arena....no towns... no bombers...no boats...no drunks.....err, well maybe some of the fliers might be a lil tipsy.. :cheers:
I guess if there was a better game we would all go running off to play it. Change happens. Some times our state of mind just takes a lil time to catch up with it.
:salute
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Last time I went to the WW1 arena I thought I was masterbating. :salute
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Last time I went to the WW1 arena I thought I was masterbating. :salute
Maybe you were...
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where'd you buy a micro mini joystick? :D
*runs
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Come fly in the WW1 arena....no towns... no bombers...no boats...no drunks.....err, well maybe some of the fliers might be a lil tipsy.. :cheers:
I actually liked the ww1 fairly well, but it's not my true love. My main problem that I had, and the reason I don't go back there and fight more often is that the last time I went there it messed my gunnery up for a month or so. For whatever reason flying those box kites just destroyed the sight picture in my brain. If it didn't have that negative effect I'd fly there at least a day a week or so.
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:salute 51
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:salute 11
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Guess I didn't miss much.
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Guess I didn't miss much.
GI! :furious
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:salute 11
If I was a number I'd be a 51
:rock
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Last time I went to the WW1 arena I thought I was masterbating. :salute
Humm that could explain some things..... :bolt:
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Last time I went to the WW1 arena I thought I was masterbating. :salute
and thats a bad thing? I mean, you have to make do with what you got, right?
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To UpTown,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8wvx4kqOcY
:lol
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If I was a number I'd be a 51
:rock
Thanks for the clarification, at first I thought you meant just another one of these.
(http://i998.photobucket.com/albums/af109/jb11_photos/bf109_tail.jpg)
:salute 11
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GI! :furious
Gee Eye, my friend.
How's things?
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You should call the nearest Sylvan learning center. Might help you figure out the difference between a whine and poigniant commentary on childish behavior. If that happens, come back and try conversing with me, I may pay attention.
It was you who was complaining about what you perceive to be whines and people "wasting time" crying in a video games public on-line forum. I'm not arguing with your perception, it is yours to have.
............One thing that bothers me to no end is to see grown men spending precious moments of their lives crying about a video game in a public on-line forum like children throwing a temper tantrum in a store, and I do not hesitate to point out the flawed intellect behind that kind of behavior............
This drips with irony
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eh...maybe it was bear76? these dolts with numbers in their name tend to glob together in my mind.
:neener:
Constipation?
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Constipation?
Anticipation?
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Anticipation?
KETCHUP?????????