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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: captain1ma on September 02, 2010, 01:17:32 PM
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instead of mindless battles over an imaginary lake, why not fight over true terrain? why not battle it out with some objectives in mind. May I suggest trying your battles out in the AVA. you get 3 things out of it. training in a different Arena with almost little or no interference, limited numbers and an entire arena to your selves.
I'm just suggesting you give it a try as an alternative to the DA. it just might be worth it!
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Great place to fight in a even field of battle. Also , excellent arena for squads to work togeather and battling it out too.
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You need a lesson or two in marketing...
instead of mindless battles over an imaginary lake, why not fight over true terrain?
What's more real about AvA terrains but outline? Why is one mindless and other not? Same game or is it not?
why not battle it out with some objectives in mind.
They have objectives (as far as mind is concerned, that's arguable). You'd do better explaining the differences.
May I suggest trying your battles out in the AVA. you get 3 things out of it. training in a different Arena with almost little or no interference, limited numbers and an entire arena to your selves.
a) Little or no interference; why would that appeal to lake peeps?
b) Limited numbers; limited by what? And why?
c) Entire arena to your selves; hint, hint, offline play.
I'm just suggesting you give it a try as an alternative to the DA. it just might be worth it!
Why as alternative? Why not as addition? To many, as an alternative, it is not worth it. As an addition, more likely...
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You need a lesson or two in marketing...
What's more real about AvA terrains but outline? Why is one mindless and other not? Same game or is it not?
They have objectives (as far as mind is concerned, that's arguable). You'd do better explaining the differences.
a) Little or no interference; why would that appeal to lake peeps?
b) Limited numbers; limited by what? And why?
c) Entire arena to your selves; hint, hint, offline play.
Why as alternative? Why not as addition? To many, as an alternative, it is not worth it. As an addition, more likely...
don't want to turn this into a flame-fest, but capt1ma has a good idea here. nothing wrong with his "marketing"
:aok
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You need a lesson or two in marketing...
What's more real about AvA terrains but outline? Why is one mindless and other not? Same game or is it not?
They have objectives (as far as mind is concerned, that's arguable). You'd do better explaining the differences.
a) Little or no interference; why would that appeal to lake peeps?
b) Limited numbers; limited by what? And why?
c) Entire arena to your selves; hint, hint, offline play.
Why as alternative? Why not as addition? To many, as an alternative, it is not worth it. As an addition, more likely...
You just have to spend time in the AhA arena. Personally, it isfar better then MA and DA.
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don't want to turn this into a flame-fest
What the hell is wrong with a flame-fest?? :D
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Why as alternative? Why not as addition? To many, as an alternative, it is not worth it. As an addition, more likely...
BH, you forgot to sign off with..... :old:
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don't want to turn this into a flame-fest
Why would you mention it then? The title of this forum contains word "Discussion" and so far it is.
but capt1ma has a good idea here.
I did not dispute idea itself.
nothing wrong with his "marketing"
You won't attract many calling them mindless. Since DA lake area could be considered "niche", there's a good reason why someone may prefer it over something else, especially some other "niche" product.
There's a reason why AVA has low numbers.
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I seriously don't think the DA Lake types will like the straight up fights in the AVA. It will appeal to folks who like the classic matchups.
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BH, you forgot to sign off with..... :old:
:furious
[glove slap]I challenge thee! [/glove slap]
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I seriously don't think the DA Lake types will like the straight up fights in the AVA. It will appeal to folks who like the classic matchups.
Agreed. Unless of course they enable F3 and give out free Tempests and C-Hogs.
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You just have to spend time in the AhA arena.
I did
Personally, it isfar better then MA and DA.
For you. Explain why would be better for others too, especially for DA lake guys (captain1ma somewhat failed at that).
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Historic match up of ACs, little to no winning, pitching, and accusing, maps the same as special event maps, no env value, no worries of losing perk points
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instead of mindless battles over an imaginary lake, why not fight over true terrain? why not battle it out with some objectives in mind. May I suggest trying your battles out in the AVA. you get 3 things out of it. training in a different Arena with almost little or no interference, limited numbers and an entire arena to your selves.
I'm just suggesting you give it a try as an alternative to the DA. it just might be worth it!
You forgot number 4: Get picked by an enemy you never had a chance to see coming
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What the hell is wrong with a flame-fest?? :D
nothing normally, but there's a couple guys trying very hard to revitalize the ava arena....and a flame-fest would hurt that........ :aok
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Historic match up of ACs, little to no winning, pitching, and accusing, maps the same as special event maps, no env value, no worries of losing perk points
Again, why do you think DA lake guys would like that?
Tip to increase AVA populous:
Convince HTC to publish AVA rankings on end of each tour like it does with other arenas, on AH home page.
You'll increase number of player 10 times. Good chances some will like it and remain.
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I seriously don't think the DA Lake types will like the straight up fights in the AVA. It will appeal to folks who like the classic matchups.
they may....but they'll never know till they get a taste of it.
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don't want to turn this into a flame-fest, but capt1ma has a good idea here. nothing wrong with his "marketing"
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Bighorn hit it right on the nose about the marketing. #1 rule in marketing is to engage the audience. Inferring that they are mindless does not do that.
His propaganda (AAR Write-ups, etc), however, used to be remarkably entertaining and well written. I haven't seen any in a while...
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nothing normally, but there's a couple guys trying very hard to revitalize the ava arena....and a flame-fest would hurt that........ :aok
Well, if they listened to what people want, they would not have to revitalize it. If the no icons is what the people want, well, why isn't the place full?
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Bighorn hit it right on the nose about the marketing. #1 rule in marketing is to engage the audience. Inferring that they are mindless does not do that.
His propaganda (AAR Write-ups, etc), however, used to be remarkably entertaining and well written. I haven't seen any in a while...
i actually miss those write ups.
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Maybe we could get a historical jousting setup on AvA.
See this thread for more information:
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,294958.90.html
Feel free to discuss. :aok
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Maybe we could get a historical jousting setup on AvA.
See this thread for more information:
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,294958.90.html
Feel free to discuss. :aok
There is a great ideal Grizz.
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The thing that ruins the DA is the retards in the bowl that decide to go to 25k... ie rooks and bish primarily.
-BigBOBCH
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The thing that ruins the DA is the retards in the bowl that decide to go to 25k... ie rooks and bish primarily.
-BigBOBCH
well....if they're going for historic type of fights.....didn't most air combat over europe happen at 20k+?
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well....if they're going for historic type of fights.....didn't most air combat over europe happen at 20k+?
you can have history, or you can have players in the arena. The MA is proof that you cant have both lol
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well....if they're going for historic type of fights.....didn't most air combat over europe happen at 20k+?
Its different when all they do is sit there and BnZ for 20 min.....and wont even come fight...you should go straight off the base: 5-6k
-BigBOBCH
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Its different when all they do is sit there and BnZ for 20 min.....and wont even come fight...you should go straight off the base: 5-6k
-BigBOBCH
That is was Jeager1 is trying to get ppl to come to the AVA. you are match up with a certain time-line of historic fight. No AC that was in combat in 1942 up against a AC that came out in 1945. Hence why some people fly 20K over the fur ball if they are flying a out dated AC
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That is was Jeager1 is trying to get ppl to come to the AVA. you are match up with a certain time-line of historic fight. No AC that was in combat in 1942 up against a AC that came out in 1945. Hence why some people fly 20K over the fur ball if they are flying a out dated AC
But in AvA I wont get to fly my Yak-9U :(
And most ppl BnZ in DA in a F4U-1C or Typhoon, so
-BigBOBCH
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I thoroughly enjoy the AvA but I tend to only go in there when the P38 is available. They have a tendency to go off on extended non US tangents and run 6 weeks of FinRUS and tank battles and I pretty much forget to check the setups in the AvA after a while.
I also enjoy the DA. Its an easy fight to find and the best place for a quick flying fix.
The MA's are the hardest place to find a fight. 300 people on average and difficulty finding a aerial battle. The terrains are too big with GV's and Ships competing for players attentions. Since GV's and Ships are here to stay the terrains need to shrink to condense the fight.
And those faulting the marketing attempt are absolutely correct.
I love the no icon AvA but I also enjoy the DA. Implying the AvA is somehow less mindless than anything else in this game was a poor marketing line.
There is only one good marketing line in any game.
Fun!
Everyone defines fun differently. Tell people how they can have fun in the AvA and you might get some results.
But I can tell you that 6 weeks of FinRus GV tank wars is not going to pull anybody out of the MA, DA, TA, or offline jeep driving practice.
Commit to popular airplane matchups and keep repeating them and make the esoteric rare. Oh...and post a schedule on the calendar.
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:furious
[glove slap]I challenge thee! [/glove slap]
Nah, you don't know where the DA is anymore. :neener:
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But in AvA I wont get to fly my Yak-9U :(
And most ppl BnZ in DA in a F4U-1C or Typhoon, so
-BigBOBCH
That is understandable.
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That is understandable.
I mean its just that really with like the 7 years I have that I played most of it was in MA or FSO. I more of just recently started DA, just for those nights when the arenas are dead and I wanna furball :)
-BigBOBCH
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Hate the icon set up. Some may like it, I do not. No thanks
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"mindless battles over an imaginary lake"
You won't attract many calling them mindless.
notice it says battles, not people.
as for the no icons thing, well the pilots that want to get better like them. the pilots that don't like getting killed hate them. everyone has their opinion on them. most people that like them have better SA and play the game for what it is. the guys that don't like no icons probably wouldn't have lasted very long in WW2 cause their SA isn't that great. its an acquired skill and some like it and some don't. no harm no fowl. you cant please everyone.
as for inviting the DA pilots to try it out, it was just that. a place to try something new and different. maybe increase your skills. maybe make some new friends. or not. its totally up to you.
as for my marketing expertise? i fix computers for a living and am not a marketing expert. nor do i claim to be one. next time i will consult with our resident expert, Who, so eloquently pointed out the errors of my ways. this is for a game, not national television, but you already knew that.
<edit>for the record, this post and my original one was not meant to insult or inflame anyone. if it makes everyone feel better, take out the word mindless. just ignore it. its just a word, it wont hurt you! :D
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as for the no icons thing, well the pilots that want to get better like them. the pilots that don't like getting killed hate them. everyone has their opinion on them. most people that like them have better SA and play the game for what it is. the guys that don't like no icons probably wouldn't have lasted very long in WW2 cause their SA isn't that great. its an acquired skill and some like it and some don't. no harm no fowl. you cant please everyone.
Well that was pretty condescending Mr. Super Duper SA. Fear the SA Gods of the AvA, they play the game "for what it is". I guess the rest of us mere minions play for running away and not getting killed because we haven't "acquired the skill".
How about YOU step into the MA or the DA one day sonny boy.
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have you tried it yet?
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have you tried it yet?
Hey, if you want to delude yourself into thinking you have awsome SA powers because you can track the other three people in the arena go ahead. Someday you'll be brave enough to play in an arena with more people in it and be sadly lacking in SA. Then we'll see who's playing the game for what it is and whos running away.
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Baldeagle, stop the tough guy stuff. Captain1ma is trying, and has been for the past year, to get the AvA Area back into motion like it was 3 years ago.
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Agreed. Unless of course they enable F3 and give out free Tempests and C-Hogs.
That would be the wisest thing I have read today.
No, I'm afraid AvA won't appeal to DA crew.
Pepsi/Coke thing.
With the recent changes to the MA those maps should be much smaller - forcing confrontation - that might get some to come over.
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never mind, not worth it. some things just never change.
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never mind, not worth it. some things just never change.
:noid
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Hey, if you want to delude yourself into thinking you have awsome SA powers because you can track the other three people in the arena go ahead. Someday you'll be brave enough to play in an arena with more people in it and be sadly lacking in SA. Then we'll see who's playing the game for what it is and whos running away.
i play in the midwar, and in the DA also. im not afraid of confrontation and i dont run, if that answers your question. im not the best stick in the game, nor do i claim to be. i wont take anyone on in the DA because ill probably lose. i also fly in the late war on occasion, when theres no one in the midwar. now that we've covered my short-comings, again it begs the question:
Have YOU tried the AVA?
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notice it says battles, not people.
as for the no icons thing, well the pilots that want to get better like them. the pilots that don't like getting killed hate them.
Biggest BS ever lol. I have no problem getting killed, but the only way you could get me mr SA is by having icons off and wait till I engage some one else right? Have you gotten any better because of the no icons? :rofl
The stubbornness of the AvA staff is beyond belief. You keep asking for people to come in tot he AvA. People tell you that they might if you turn on icons and you insist on telling them how great it is without them and then insult them for wanting them on :rofl
I was there last night. The great fights you are talking about were, well, as easy as they can get. 109F vs Hurri or p38. The 109 just owned them both no problem. If that it was not enough that the other side had no chance based on their equipment, people were gang banging already injured planes 3 on 1. The poor guy in the injured hurri never had a chance since he could not even see them coming.
If soooooooo many people like the set ups that cater only to cherry picking or making fights difficult, (example of things you tried: no radar, no icons, tornado powered side winds, etc) why is it empty and and why do you have to ask people to come in?
My opinion, if you want customers, sell them what they want. Don't sit there telling them what they should want. It is either going to be your sand box, or theirs!
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<sigh> i guess shuffler was right, i should've listened to him.
my apologies to all, please ignore this thread!
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The stubbornness of the AvA staff is beyond belief. You keep asking for people to come in tot he AvA. People tell you that they might if you turn on icons and you insist on telling them how great it is without them and then insult them for wanting them on :rofl
My opinion, if you want customers, sell them what they want. Don't sit there telling them what they should want.
+1
As it happens I did try the AvA before I posted above. I didn't enjoy it. Maybe I'm too sucky for your special place, but with the prevailing attitudes of those running it, why would I even WANT to spend any time there? No thanks, I'll stick to the main arenas where I ENJOY my time spent.
:salute
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<sigh> i guess shuffler was right, i should've listened to him.
my apologies to all, please ignore this thread!
You mean this?
I seriously don't think the DA Lake types will like the straight up fights in the AVA. It will appeal to folks who like the classic matchups.
Yeah, continue the insults :rofl. I guess you were only looking for the DA Lake "types" to come in to the AvA lol. I see a lot of good coming out of that. They would turn it into a DA Lake since that is what those "types" want.
See the problem? You are not trying to create anything good or better. You are just trying to find a way to bring in people no matter what, and as I said in the past, in the process you chased away the regulars
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Again, why do you think DA lake guys would like that?
Tip to increase AVA populous:
Convince HTC to publish AVA rankings on end of each tour like it does with other arenas, on AH home page.
You'll increase number of player 10 times. Good chances some will like it and remain.
Pretty sure the score mongers are the types not wanted in the AVA....
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Pretty sure the score mongers are the types not wanted in the AVA....
You couldn't be more right... AvA 'rs (at least those I've met) seem to not be about score, but about winning, completing that objective. The MA use to be like AvA, then Day 2 came when it became not about completing for a goal or fighting that intricate battle for control of territory, but a place where it's about score whoring and ignoring the objective. Almost like Griefers, but operating within the bounds of the game. (They could pick in the DA easily, but they don't get the "I'm better cause my number is lower" feeling.)
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The stubbornness of the AvA staff is beyond belief. You keep asking for people to come in tot he AvA. People tell you that they might if you turn on icons and you insist on telling them how great it is without them and then insult them for wanting them on :rofl
Would it not be stubborn to ignore the following?
Thanks for the work you guys do for this arena.
:salute
I have more fun in an hour in the no icons AvA than in a year in the MA.
:rock
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Ditto! What Dawger said! :salute Thanks again for all the great effort!
Agreed. This is a neat place, and I'm slowly learning. :airplane:
Went and flew in there for a while the first time ever today. Had a good time, really enjoyed the no icons. I'll definitely be coming back, good times!
This might get me flying regularly again.
And I had more fun in this arena than I have had in a while!!
There were about 20 players on when i was on and even with this small amount, it was still possible to have plenty of good fights!
The lack of icons adds a whole new dimension to a fight and i'm sure spending a few more nights in there, my SA will improve tenfold.
So i shall definitely be back haha! :aok
MickyD
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Yup my first time in there last night too. Touuuuggh, Im only a mediocre pilot to begin with but with the lack of enemy icons, dang was very hard. I had a blast anyway, I suppose it will give me better SA, Hope to get in there again sometime soon, <S> to all who were there. :salute
For those looking for a good time, not me, and think they have been in some tense fights come on over to the AvA and experience the game as it should be. Did I hear something. :noid
It's the best change to hit the AvA for a while...thanks to a persistent suggestion by Nr Raven and Jaeger *ahem* "taking an initiative"... :lol
I loved it. Great fun, thanks.
<S> Gents
was great fun, guess we LD will take a look much more often, the no Icon stuff is great!
We had tons of fun!
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Jaeger the no icons thing is a blast with the current setup.
When you asked me if I could see enemy icons I didn't realize you had turned them off. I was closing on Midway in my A6M2.I look over my shoulder and thought what the hell is that black thing? The black thing became a blue F4F that started shooting and nearly clobbered me. It was a freaking hoot.
<S>
I loved the no icon's as well.
Just got done flying with some guys in there, and I have to say, first few sorties reminded me of my first time trying to play MA Aces High! But after a few, I picked up on it quite well, and was landing kills :joystick: All in all, a fun thing!
I try the AvA today for about 4 1/2 hours and I like the idea of no enemy icons. I'm not much good at the flying but I did like it anyway :aok
Aka: Bison
Jaeger very nice job with the setup. Ive been flying the MA alot lately and it was awesome to have a little something different. I found myself looking back more than usual, bobing, and weaving out of sheer terror that I had overlooked one of those low flying almost invisable enemy aircraft.
In the turn fite I kept loosing my oponents and had to extend to regroup. Good times - you fellers that put your time into setting these things up keep up the good work. Much appreciated.
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Had a BLAST last night in AvA!! Really great fights all night long. I really enjoyed the no icons. Not something I'd wanna see all the time, but it was a hoot.
:salute :salute :salute
Homerun Jaeger. I have not had that much in the AvA in a long, long time :rock
Jaeger had a blast tonight in AvA. First time flying in there and I must say it I was impressed. Most of all the fun of the icons being off was a A+, honestly thats how the MA should be - more realistic. Thanks :salute
I think last night was the most fun I've had in the AvA since it started, hands down.
Good clean fights, lots of action, not much complaining, lots of salutes.
What has kept me out of the AvA for several years was a certain group of people telling other people how to fly, etc.
To me nothing is a bigger immersion killer.
I didn't see any of that at all. Personally I suck at no icons, and I'm rusty at arena flying.
But as long as the arena stays like this I'll keep coming back.
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:rofl I went in there Sunday night not knowing enemy icons were off :O That was a short sortie :lol. I've been in there the last two nights and enjoyed it :aok, had to leave early last night for meeting with a student. By the way the blue wildcats are hard to track at close range on a small moniter, I lost one more then once last night. Never happens to me with billboards above them :lol
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BigRat
IMO the current AVA setup with no icons, has been a hit by AVA standards.
I couldn't disagree more about any comments on the no icon's. It is in fact the best thing about the AvA and truly makes ACM "come alive". Just about everything that doesn't "add up" when viewed via the normal AH experience all of a sudden makes perfect sense.
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Agreed. Unless of course they enable F3 and give out free Tempests and C-Hogs.
I knew somebody would deliver that Zinger...unfortunately too true Sunbat. :aok
(http://www.yachigusaryu.com/blog/pics/twinkies/image008.jpg)
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Some really nice pics posted on our squad boards.
That terrain is outstanding (thanks again Ranger), add to that a pair of hurris flying wing and a 109 trying to get position. WOW. There were even bombers coming through. Was great fun and created lots of immersion.
It's hard to spot bogies on the deck and at alt. You kind of get the feel the real pilots had in first spotting them then determining friend or foe. Adds a great deal to the feel of the game for me.
The AVA is different from every other setup this game has. Nothing is like it. Some will enjoy the change and others will not. Doesn't mean it's better or worse. Just means folks are different.
When I said that I did not think the DA Lake types would not like it, I did not mean they were less than anyone else. I just figured the style of play at DA Lake was far different from the style of play usually found in the AVA. There are some that fly DA Lake that might actually appreciate the change. Who knows.........
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You mean this?
Yeah, continue the insults :rofl. I guess you were only looking for the DA Lake "types" to come in to the AvA lol. I see a lot of good coming out of that. They would turn it into a DA Lake since that is what those "types" want.
See the problem? You are not trying to create anything good or better. You are just trying to find a way to bring in people no matter what, and as I said in the past, in the process you chased away the regulars
no actually he PM'ed me something. he suggest i not bother posting something like my original post.
the only problem i see is, as usual, you making something out of nothing. you insistence to press an issue that isn't an issue except in your mind. all i tried to do was suggest that maybe the dueling arena guys might want to try out the AVA and give it a shot. whether they like it or not, would be entirely up to them.
why they would or wouldn't like the AVA would also be up to them. it would be a decision made by their experiences. id like to see people try out things and decide on their own whether or not they like it. we already know how you feel about it.
i was told this would turn into a flame fest, and apparently that holds true. thank you for your input.
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Would it not be stubborn to ignore the following?
Agreed, the arena must be full then. HT should be at work right now implementing arena caps :lol
What you guys don;t get is that a thank you on the BBS does not mean people in the arena, or this thread would not have been created right?
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Agreed, the arena must be full then. HT should be at work right now implementing arena caps :lol
What you guys don;t get is that a thank you on the BBS does not mean people in the arena, or this thread would not have been created right?
You are right, the arena isn't full, but then again it wasn't full before the icons were turned off either.
I'm just illustrating that the setting has it's fans, and there would also be a big howl if we turned them back on.
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The AvA has no F-3 mode and the DA types can't look like super shots there. My thing with the AvA is to waits between missions. I must be ADHD.
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all i tried to do was suggest that maybe the dueling arena guys might want to try out the AVA and give it a shot. whether they like it or not, would be entirely up to them.
All good deads, good intentions, and positive effort must be punished. ;)
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You are right, the arena isn't full, but then again it wasn't full before the icons were turned off either.
I'm just illustrating that the setting has it's fans, and there would also be a big howl if we turned them back on.
True, but it was also not empty on a regular basis before it was fixed. Icons is the latest. Radar was before that. Catering to even Storch and his bodies in order to keep some numbers was before that.
I agree that it has its fans. I just think most of the fans are in the BBS and not in the arena, or they are only fans for one day of the week. At list the jerks complaining about it were there every day. Oh yeah, and as mission boy said, my problem is that I can;t have F3 mode on. He is the type of guy that the arena needs :rofl
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All good deads, good intentions, and positive effort must be punished. ;)
good point.........ok capt........30 lashes with a wet noodle.
the good side, is the administrator of those 30 lashes will be a hot woman in tight leather. :noid :D
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True, but it was also not empty on a regular basis before it was fixed.
Not sure about that, but what do I know? I'm new.
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Baldeagle, stop the tough guy stuff. Captain1ma is trying, and has been for the past year, to get the AvA Area back into motion like it was 3 years ago.
It seems to me he'd have better results if he didn't berate all of the very people he's trying to attract.
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It seems to me he'd have better results if he didn't berate all of the very people he's trying to attract.
i've been trying to stay out of this, because i didn't want to see it turn to a flame fest.......
but.......he berated no one. he offered them an option. he offered them a chance to have a different kind of fight. he's offering them a chance to learn a new skill.
these offers are all just that. offers. nothing more, nothing less.
you and a bunch of others are choosing to do nothing but berate the guy for trying to do something that could be good.
sheesh..........if you don't have anything good to say, then pass the thread by.
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I was having a hoot the other day in AvA. The no icons brings an extra sense of danger when you know they can sneak up on you. The reason you can't get more people in is because with the limited plane set, no one can fly their favorite bird. Someone who's a hotshot in LA7s is gonna find it a different world when all you can choose from is P40s, 38s, 39s, and hurcs.
If you turn the icons on and remove everything about the AvA that is the AvA, you've just created another MA. Some people won't come for fear of losing.
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but.......he berated no one. he offered them an option. he offered them a chance to have a different kind of fight. he's offering them a chance to learn a new skill.
these offers are all just that. offers. nothing more, nothing less.
you and a bunch of others are choosing to do nothing but berate the guy for trying to do something that could be good.
sheesh..........if you don't have anything good to say, then pass the thread by.
Hmmm... lets examine more closely:
as for the no icons thing, well the pilots that want to get better like them.
This clearly meant the people who don't like no icons have no interest in getting better. Only the AvA crew have an interest in getting better.
the pilots that don't like getting killed hate them.
This implies that everyone who doesn't like no icons is a runner or an ack hugger or plays only for score (i.e. they are timid).
most people that like them have better SA and play the game for what it is.
Here he tells us that people in the AvA have better SA that everyone else. Not only that, the players in the AvA play the game "for what it is". This implies they play it as an air to air combat game while no one else in the community has that interest (remeber, others are only playing for scores).
the guys that don't like no icons probably wouldn't have lasted very long in WW2 cause their SA isn't that great.
Once again, the pilots in the AvA's SA is superior to everyone elses because they play with no icons. Also, they would last longer in a "real fight" than everyone else in the game regardless of how skilled some of those who never venture into the AvA are.
its an acquired skill and some like it and some don't.
So here we are discussing skill level again. Only the guys who fly the AvA have what it takes to master this skill, therefore are superior.
as for inviting the DA pilots to try it out, it was just that. a place to try something new and different. maybe increase your skills.
And here we are again. As if telling everyone else more than once already that they don't hold a candle to those in the AvA skill-wise, this time he targets the DA pilots specifically.
I have no issue with him posting asking people to come try out the AvA but as I said in my first post in this thread, his attitude is pretty condescending. He's pretty much told everyone in the community other than the 12 guys who play in the AvA regularly that they suck. And when it was pointed out to him he didn't even care. Sorry, but if those are the types of community members you embrace then this game is going downhill and I've lost respect for you too.
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I have no issue with him posting asking people to come try out the AvA but as I said in my first post in this thread, his attitude is pretty condescending. He's pretty much told everyone in the community other than the 12 guys who play in the AvA regularly that they suck. And when it was pointed out to him he didn't even care. Sorry, but if those are the types of community members you embrace then this game is going downhill and I've lost respect for you too.
Yup, I realize that I don't count for anything, but that's pretty much how I read it too...
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Great set up in the AvA w/ no icon on the enemy cons. A real challenge to know who is who and how they are. Was even harder see the con on your six.
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For the record Ive played in the DA alot this past couple of weeks and have found some of the best pilots in there. Im not talking just good at SA or good at knowing when to make an attack when the enemy is busy, Im talking taking planes of all types and getting in there and fighting and doing really good in them no matter what the matchup.
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I really don't believe any insult was intended.
I also don't think anyone really believes the AvA has or breeds better pilots than everywhere else, except in a good natured boastfully joking sort of way.
Heck I fly only in AvA, and I quickly run out of talent in nearly every sortie LOL.
That said, there are some things about it that make it a different sort of challenge than some are used to.
We're no elitists but we do love the arena and of course we think it's the place to be.
We really welcome everyone and the AvA guys will be the first to give you many a salute for the fun fights.
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I really don't believe any insult was intended.
I also don't think anyone really believes the AvA has or breeds better pilots than everywhere else, except in a good natured boastfully joking sort of way.
Heck I fly only in AvA, and I quickly run out of talent in nearly every sortie LOL.
That said, there are some things about it that make it a different sort of challenge than some are used to.
We're no elitists but we really do love the arena and of course we think it's the place to be.
We really welcome everyone and the AvA guys will be the first to give you many a salute for the fun fights.
I think a lot of them DA guys are afraid to realized that they are not as good as they think when they come to the AvA..
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I think a lot of them DA guys are afraid to realized that they are not as good as they think when they come to the AvA..
Now, Now, I hope you mean that in the jokingly boastful challenging way I'm talking about.
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Now, Now, I hope you mean that in the jokingly boastful challenging way I'm talking about.
NOPE!
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NOPE!
Oh my, :lol
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DA blows. Furball lake is worse than MA furballs.
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The DA is a differnt monster. I go in there up a P40 or a P39 and fly directly into a furball consisting of Nikis, spixteens and Chogs. You do dumb stuff in the DA you wouldn't do in the MAs. Why would you go to the DA and up a bird your comfortable in? I suspect there are many who live in the DA because it's simply a place they can actually get kills. If you actually enjoy a challenge, can deal with the added element of suspense, and can fly planes not on the A list, The AvA is a great place.
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I really don't believe any insult was intended.
That's even worse. Because there clearly is insult. Multiple times. I have grown absolutely SICK of the AvA advertising... I consider it on the level of bad SPAM when I see these posts nonstop in the general forum for exactly the reasons posted above. The overall tone and attitude that I and many others read in his holier-than-thou posting is rife in every post he makes trying to get folks to come to the AvA.
I really get sick of that, so now it's at the point I loathe when I see a post like that, and I have to resist hitting the "report post" button and filling out "spamming advertisements".....
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The DA is a differnt monster. I go in there up a P40 or a P39 and fly directly into a furball consisting of Nikis, spixteens and Chogs. You do dumb stuff in the DA you wouldn't do in the MAs. Why would you go to the DA and up a bird your comfortable in? I suspect there are many who live in the DA because it's simply a place they can actually get kills. If you actually enjoy a challenge, can deal with the added element of suspense, and can fly planes not on the A list, The AvA is a great place.
I agree with that. I do go into the DA and up in a P-47D-25. I am all aware that i am not a good stick, moderate at best, but still go on a hunt for a fight.
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That's even worse. Because there clearly is insult. Multiple times. I have grown absolutely SICK of the AvA advertising... I consider it on the level of bad SPAM when I see these posts nonstop in the general forum for exactly the reasons posted above. The overall tone and attitude that I and many others read in his holier-than-thou posting is rife in every post he makes trying to get folks to come to the AvA.
I really get sick of that, so now it's at the point I loathe when I see a post like that, and I have to resist hitting the "report post" button and filling out "spamming advertisements".....
Not sure if I feel sorry for you or envy you that a post on a BBS can cause so much drama in your life. :headscratch:
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I have to resist hitting the "report post" button.
So what's stopping you? Seriously if his ads offend some of you so much go ahead and report him and see if it warrants action by HTC. Or if you're so insulted by his AVA ads don't bother reading them. If you don't have the self control to ignore the thread then you always have the option of squelching his post on the BBS altogether then you'll never have to be offended again. Granted he's not the best communicator you're going to run across on this BBS. His ads are cheesy and in my opinion not very well thought out most of the time. I'd like to see ads for the AVA done more like ads for the Special Events Arena myself. However all this drama and offense you guys are displaying is worse than the original post. If you're as upset about it as you say you are then by all means report him. Take all this indignation you display and do something about it. Unless you're just posting this stuff for the drama.
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HT just needs to remove spits and Chogs in DA, all the idiots fly. You go into a furball and 50% is spits, 40% is Chogs, the rest are mixed planes. Fly a plane that takes skill, why fly something anyone can fly? Yak-9U for example, or even P-38. Planes you have to know what your doing. Spits are the easiest plane in the game to fly by far, here is a reason its recommended to NEW players. Almost 8 years I have played and I always fly hard to fly planes. Why you ask? I like a challenge, dont want to be able to just drop on people. I used to fly P-47D-40 pre 47M....then switched to Yak-9U....Again its just why do you want to fly something SO EASY?
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Man I remember what I consider the good old days of the AVA when JG11, JG54, 353rd FG among others battled it out every night. Had the rolling plane set and the memorable BOB war setup. Went downhill for a variety of reasons but good to see it making a comeback. Thanks Jaeger , Jimson and the rest of you AVA staffers.
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Man I remember what I consider the good old days of the AVA when JG11, JG54, 353rd FG among others battled it out every night. Had the rolling plane set and the memorable BOB war setup. Went downhill for a variety of reasons but good to see it making a comeback. Thanks Jaeger , Jimson and the rest of you AVA staffers.
+1, those where the good days when a fight was a fight and a kill was a kill. Barley saw whining and crying like you do these days.
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Barley saw whining and crying like you do these days.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/55/Hordeum-barley.jpg)
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notice it says battles, not people.
as for the no icons thing, well the pilots that want to get better like them. the pilots that don't like getting killed hate them. everyone has their opinion on them. most people that like them have better SA and play the game for what it is. the guys that don't like no icons probably wouldn't have lasted very long in WW2 cause their SA isn't that great. its an acquired skill and some like it and some don't. no harm no fowl. you cant please everyone.
as for inviting the DA pilots to try it out, it was just that. a place to try something new and different. maybe increase your skills. maybe make some new friends. or not. its totally up to you.
as for my marketing expertise? i fix computers for a living and am not a marketing expert. nor do i claim to be one. next time i will consult with our resident expert, Who, so eloquently pointed out the errors of my ways. this is for a game, not national television, but you already knew that.
<edit>for the record, this post and my original one was not meant to insult or inflame anyone. if it makes everyone feel better, take out the word mindless. just ignore it. its just a word, it wont hurt you! :D
Once again you shoot yourself in the foot more than once . Mindless battles ? Well since a battle doesn't have a mind , to what else should people think you are referring to other then themselves ? As for it not hurting I agree but to insult me is hardly a way to get me to listen to your reasoning . Then we have the icon thing . Well it may just be that it has a lot more to do with monitor size or some other graphics thing rather then hating to get killed . I recently upgraded my monitor to a good sized one then had to return it because of medical bills . I am here to tell you it makes a huge difference for me . I am unable to see much of anything until too late with no icons . I would love to be able to AvA but two things stop me . The old one is this . When I first tried it no one would explain what was going on to me . I got one reply" go to TA" . Well I wasn't a complete noob and what can I learn in TA about arena settings in AvA ? Number 2 is the monitor issue . However saying people who want to get better , like the icons ,people who are petty enough to just hate getting killed , hate it . Once again you insult the very people you wish to attract . Call it marketing or people skills or power of persuasion . If you are trying to get people to change something they do or a pattern of behavior that is long established you need to do it differently .
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That would be the wisest thing I have read today.
No, I'm afraid AvA won't appeal to DA crew.
Pepsi/Coke thing.
With the recent changes to the MA those maps should be much smaller - forcing confrontation - that might get some to come over.
Gotta disagree . When I can once again afford a big monitor. I will be trying the AvA . I am a DA guy and an MA guy .
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Gotta disagree . When I can once again afford a big monitor. I will be trying the AvA . I am a DA guy and an MA guy .
That's fine, Hlbly, we'll wait for you, you're good people.
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Gotta disagree . When I can once again afford a big monitor. I will be trying the AvA . I am a DA guy and an MA guy .
hey dood......we've flown together, and against each other.........
i tried the ava the other night. i was able to spot the bad guy a bit easier than i thought i would. i kept losing him during the fight, but in the end, i brought the ole 38 o doom home.
after that fight, i found a low `109, and dropped in on him. he was VERY good at hiding in that thing....i'd make a pass, come up over the top, and look where i thought he should be, and nothing......
i fly on a 21" lcd monitor.
i think there's still 38G's in there, although yesterday they had nearly the entire set activated, so i took my trusty "J" up.
in all honesty, i thought it was going to suck, i climbed as quick as i could to 23k, based on some of what was in this thread, about the hi pickers. all of the fights were at 10k and below.....and there was no bs. no chest thumping, none of the ma type childishness on 200(although that gets entertaining sometimes).....just fun banter.
not trying to push ya....just giving ya my perception after a night there. i'll prolly be in there tomorrow night too.
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I have been hanging around the DA lots lately, I like to fly La-7's and 5's, but recently I have taken a likeing to the Yak's, I will be honest, 70% of the kills I get at the lake are picks, it is a nasty habit, but I also try to 1v1 some of the better players that come around, last night I had an awesome time fighting TnDep and MickyD, I got beat most of the time, but I still had alot of fun and learnt alot from it. I wouldnt mind trying out the AvA, are there any Eastern Front set ups coming along anytime soon?
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nothing scheduled, but that could change anytime. just pop in, take a look, stay if you like or leave if it doesn't turn you on. its your option.
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Hmmm... lets examine more closely:
This clearly meant the people who don't like no icons have no interest in getting better. Only the AvA crew have an interest in getting better.
This implies that everyone who doesn't like no icons is a runner or an ack hugger or plays only for score (i.e. they are timid).
Here he tells us that people in the AvA have better SA that everyone else. Not only that, the players in the AvA play the game "for what it is". This implies they play it as an air to air combat game while no one else in the community has that interest (remeber, others are only playing for scores).
Once again, the pilots in the AvA's SA is superior to everyone elses because they play with no icons. Also, they would last longer in a "real fight" than everyone else in the game regardless of how skilled some of those who never venture into the AvA are.
So here we are discussing skill level again. Only the guys who fly the AvA have what it takes to master this skill, therefore are superior.
And here we are again. As if telling everyone else more than once already that they don't hold a candle to those in the AvA skill-wise, this time he targets the DA pilots specifically.
I have no issue with him posting asking people to come try out the AvA but as I said in my first post in this thread, his attitude is pretty condescending. He's pretty much told everyone in the community other than the 12 guys who play in the AvA regularly that they suck. And when it was pointed out to him he didn't even care. Sorry, but if those are the types of community members you embrace then this game is going downhill and I've lost respect for you too.
All this is, of course, your opinion. Look at it with a more positive eye and I think you will see what Cap is saying. What's good for the arenas is good for AH. We can support it or not. Doesn't mean anyone is better or worse for it.
Part of the limited plane set has folks flying birds they don't usually fly. I was even on axis side for a long while flying 109s. I had a blast.
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I was even on axis side for a long while flying 109s. I had a blast.
Yeah right.... I want pictures! Shuff in a 109? :eek:
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All this is, of course, your opinion. Look at it with a more positive eye and I think you will see what Cap is saying. What's good for the arenas is good for AH. We can support it or not. Doesn't mean anyone is better or worse for it.
Part of the limited plane set has folks flying birds they don't usually fly. I was even on axis side for a long while flying 109s. I had a blast.
ok......who are you, and where did you put the real shuffler? are you a pod person?
the real shuffler would never fly a 109. :noid :neener:
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Shuff in a 109? :eek:
You could hear him giggling.
- oldman (people often do that when they switch from bombers to fighters)
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(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/55/Hordeum-barley.jpg)
That reminds me.....
I've got 40 pounds of that in the basement, patiently waiting to become an IPA...
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You could hear him giggling.
- oldman (people often do that when they switch from bombers to fighters)
:rofl
That's why my Bearhawk will have a stick, and not a yoke :devil
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I was even on axis side for a long while flying 109s. I had a blast.
of course he had to take a shower afterwards to get the dirt off! :D
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The 109 in there is a great machine. Turns easily and does a switchback on a dime. Very light...... I was turning with the Hurris in the and killing more than being killed.
Even if I was shot down every time it would have been fun all the same. The no icons really sets this arena apart from the daily grind.
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of course he had to take a shower afterwards to get the dirt off! :D
that's better than the spitfires.
the last time i flew a spitfire, it took two hot showers, and a scrub brush to get it all off of me. :noid :neener:
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The 109 in there is a great machine. Turns easily and does a switchback on a dime. Very light...... I was turning with the Hurris in the and killing more than being killed.
Even if I was shot down every time it would have been fun all the same. The no icons really sets this arena apart from the daily grind.
bolded....THIS is what will draw me back, even though i kept losing the cons in the surroundings down low.
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When I was a teenager in Maryland my father belonged to the Ft. Meade Flying Club along with flying as an instructor for Hinson Airways at BWI. The no enemy icon in the AvA is fairly relaistic. My father and some of his flying freinds would happen to meet in what ever they were flying over a farm near Frederick Maryland Airport on saturday mornings. Then play a game they made up called "Hold 6".
You have to imagine 3 or 4 cessna 150-172, piper cherokee, stinson reliant, voyager and even an L19 Birddog with 40ish to 60ish men playing geriatric SlowMow DA yelling guns, guns, guns at each other. One of those old guys happened to own the farm they met over. These sessions didn't last more than 15 minutes and consisted mostly of slow circles with diving and climbing. But, the AvA is realistic in that you lost sight easily looking down for the other guy then picked him up again looking up. And judging distance and E states by eye was not easy.
That big red icon with the range tag on it is one of the primary reasons this game is playable for most of the player base. With out it you really do spend most of your time looking over your shoulder and fishtailing to check your low 6. No comfortable drive to the dot on radar and a 6k visual warning icon to help you get ready. I watched Oldman almost pick someone from underneath because he was hiding just back and below in a blindspot shadowing in a slow climb. His opponent had lost sight of him for a moment as Oldman dove out at the ground clutter.
I noticed three very common issues players were having with no-Icon.
1.) Being able to see and track their targets. Your eyes are not adjusted to working with sillouetts because you track the GIANT red range indicating Icon in the DA or MA.
2.) Being able to judge timing to initiate manuvers. This comes back to the Icon and range. I had a con initiate a defensive over shoot barrel roll early which was beutiful to watch but all it did was have him finish it with his wings completely filling my gunsight in front of me so I could pull the trigger. He started it with me too far back and completed it just as I closed the distance between us.
3.) Knowing how to calculate range, deflection, and bullet drop using an historical gunsight. This comes back to that red Icon and its auto range tag. I saw alot of missing because players did not know 1000, 800, 600, or 400 yards from 200 yards. Most of the kills I witnessed and that I made were by flying up the cons tail and wearing debrie in my windscreen. Historical gunsights were laid out to help the pilot judge distance, elevation and deflection. That red Icon does it for us by ticking off 1000-200 yards during combat.
I liked the setup. Without the Icon you began to understand the need for a wingman and good communication. Camouflaged paint scheams worked as intended. The real problems of visualy judging range and E states is well showcased. Radar does show you above NOE red dots so you can vector to a fight. You still had to keep looking everywhere all the time because several players would hang out NOE near your airfeild to catch you as you climbed out or were landing. When the fights were even it was challenging and a lot of fun.
The lack of a big red range indicating Icon will be an extra visual workload and stressfull for some players. Not all players come to this game for the same reasons. But, for some players the lack of an Icon is an added immersive dimension which will make their air to air combat experience that much more exciting. The best way to first experience it is with a group of players you know or freinds. Their feed back makes getting up to speed with no-Icon faster.
This setup has the flavor of the old CT days. I hope more players become involved.
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the idea of the AvA sound very inviting. No icons, the maps, planes sets etc. Every time I log on I check out the arena count hoping for a at least a couple of folks so I can give it a go. Alas it always read 0 or 2 people. Maybe tonight I will try and stick it out just to see if numbers attract numbers.
I sertainly appreciate the effort of those that set it up :salute
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Well put bustr!
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just out of curiousity.......is there a "silhouette" recognition chart anywhere?
oh yea........i think i saw some pee 38's being prepped with bombs and rockets, along with a couple of b-26's i hadn't seen at the field before. :devil
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Well, to keep it realistic then, after I kill you, don't up again coming straight at me for a revenge HO while I am fighting your two bodies. Because this is what is happening under the cover of realism, it is only an easy way to pick someone that cant see you coming due to the limitations of the graphics, the screen, the two dimensional environment, not having a squadron looking after each other etc.
So, why we don't accept one unrealistic thing (icons on) but we accept the other (the dead rising and coming back to get you a few seconds after their death? Even Jesus needed 3 days :rofl)??? Have the decency to not do that and I won't mine having icons off. Holding breath :lol
As for the mad skills and the better fights in there, there is a reason I can get 3 to 6 kills before I get picked in the AvA, but I am lucky if I get any in the MA. Only reason for icons to be off is to make picking easier. Only reason people to want them off, is so they can pick easier. If it was not for that, they would just turn their own icons off, and leave the rest of us alone. :aok
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Well, to keep it realistic then, after I kill you, don't up again coming straight at me for a revenge HO while I am fighting your two bodies. Because this is what is happening under the cover of realism, it is only an easy way to pick someone that cant see you coming due to the limitations of the graphics, the screen, the two dimensional environment, not having a squadron looking after each other etc.
So, why we don't accept one unrealistic thing (icons on) but we accept the other (the dead rising and coming back to get you a few seconds after their death? Even Jesus needed 3 days :rofl)??? Have the decency to not do that and I won't mine having icons off. Holding breath :lol
As for the mad skills and the better fights in there, there is a reason I can get 3 to 6 kills before I get picked in the AvA, but I am lucky if I get any in the MA. Only reason for icons to be off is to make picking easier. Only reason people to want them off, is so they can pick easier. If it was not for that, they would just turn their own icons off, and leave the rest of us alone. :aok
I think we all understand your opinion on the subject, thinking you might have a different motive than just communicating that at this point.
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I think we all understand your opinion on the subject, thinking you might have a different motive than just communicating that at this point.
ROTFLMAO! I enjoy Dedalos here and the arenas but this says it all on this subject.
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TURN OFF F3 in the DA and everyone that is left in the game will show up in the AvA. Think I'm kidding??? Do it for a month or two and watch.
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Well, to keep it realistic then, after I kill you, don't up again coming straight at me for a revenge HO while I am fighting your two bodies. Because this is what is happening under the cover of realism, it is only an easy way to pick someone that cant see you coming due to the limitations of the graphics, the screen, the two dimensional environment, not having a squadron looking after each other etc.
So, why we don't accept one unrealistic thing (icons on) but we accept the other (the dead rising and coming back to get you a few seconds after their death? Even Jesus needed 3 days :rofl)??? Have the decency to not do that and I won't mine having icons off. Holding breath :lol
As for the mad skills and the better fights in there, there is a reason I can get 3 to 6 kills before I get picked in the AvA, but I am lucky if I get any in the MA. Only reason for icons to be off is to make picking easier. Only reason people to want them off, is so they can pick easier. If it was not for that, they would just turn their own icons off, and leave the rest of us alone. :aok
You just think if you get shot down, you got picked. Don't fly alone, it's that simple...but then with all the b.s. you been spouting, winging with someone probably isn't possible.
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You just think if you get shot down, you got picked. Don't fly alone, it's that simple...but then with all the b.s. you been spouting, winging with someone probably isn't possible.
What part was BS? You may not like what I post, but I have not made anything up. I did how ever get a lot of BS responses. Winging with someone eh? I don;t need it if I can see you coming :lol
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I think we all understand your opinion on the subject, thinking you might have a different motive than just communicating that at this point.
Why? Because you have no other argument? What may the other motive be?
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What may the other motive be?
I think you are out to show the world you should of been named Richard.
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Well, to keep it realistic then, after I kill you, don't up again coming straight at me for a revenge HO while I am fighting your two bodies. Because this is what is happening under the cover of realism, it is only an easy way to pick someone that cant see you coming due to the limitations of the graphics, the screen, the two dimensional environment, not having a squadron looking after each other etc.
So, why we don't accept one unrealistic thing (icons on) but we accept the other (the dead rising and coming back to get you a few seconds after their death? Even Jesus needed 3 days :rofl)??? Have the decency to not do that and I won't mine having icons off. Holding breath :lol
As for the mad skills and the better fights in there, there is a reason I can get 3 to 6 kills before I get picked in the AvA, but I am lucky if I get any in the MA. Only reason for icons to be off is to make picking easier. Only reason people to want them off, is so they can pick easier. If it was not for that, they would just turn their own icons off, and leave the rest of us alone. :aok
This would be correct except for one thing............ both the "picker" and "pickee" have no icons. It is up to both individuals to watch for the other without a big red "here I am " above their birds.
You are not the only one having issues seeing the other guy.... believe me when I say the other guy is in the same boat.
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This would be correct except for one thing............ both the "picker" and "pickee" have no icons. It is up to both individuals to watch for the other without a big red "here I am " above their birds.
You are not the only one having issues seeing the other guy.... believe me when I say the other guy is in the same boat.
Which, I might add, levels the playing field...surely Dedalos isn't advocating playing on a field unlevel in his favor? lol
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What part was BS? You may not like what I post, but I have not made anything up. I did how ever get a lot of BS responses. Winging with someone eh? I don;t need it if I can see you coming :lol
Your entire string of arguments is b.s. Nobody that is landing 3 to 6 kills with any frequency whines about getting picked, even in the MA's. If you can't see someone getting on your 6 in the AvA you're doing something wrong or they are doing more of the right things than you are. And don't give me that "if I can see you coming" nonsense either, anyone who has spent any time in the AvA knows by the time you get in position to get a good shot, you're close enough to be seen clearly.
In case you missed it, all the talk about communications and situational awareness in the AvA is about helping out a team mate that is in trouble if/when you can...if in your mind that's picking, the TA is the only arena you would be comfortable in.
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I seem to have the luck of going into the AvA when the numbers are even. This tends to give me a good impression of the arena. A few times I have been bounced alone by a winged pair. Seems a good practice to me since 4 eyeballs tracking dots are better than 2. There has always been times that players refuse to even the sides to keep the fights more equal. In the past I just left the arena if I could not get anyone to jump sides. There are peak numbers times for the AvA and you just need to keep an eye out for them.
Getting angry at how some time periods in the AvA unfold versus others is not productive. It's too easy to be angry then come to these posts and be vindictive because you want some measure of revenge for your bad time. Do you ever want the AvA to succeed? Or is it easier attempting to verbaly destroy it in the minds of this readership to insure whom ever you can affect shares your unhappiness? Not everyone you meet in the AvA is a regular who plays by the AvA general spirit. You cannot expect most MA players to stop playing by MA standards when they drop into the AvA out of the blue. They don't know know any better. Why does Oldman salute whomever shoots him down and is always polite on text?
Polite peer pressure has been one of the hallmarks of the CT/AvA staff and regulars that keeps me dropping in over the years. When there is a core group of them in the arena during a peak session, they politely remind players to play with some decorume, politeness and to keep the sides even. Thats actually how in AW and AH during those way back good old days the fights were kept fun and polite. More of the regulars cared enough to polietly remind wayward players about the rules and decorume involved because it kept the game freindly and lively.
You cannot help lead players out of poor game play if you are more interested in showing them how hot your stick is versus helping them value the outcome of practacing the good gameplay standards the AvA staff espouses. There are peak times with a large group of AvA regulars in which the AvA is better than the DA or MA to play in. And it is directly due to their willingness to play by the AvA rules of conduct.
The AvA is not for everyone. Kind of like the christian religion is treated in america today. One follower screws up and every atheist and Liberal in the world uses that to prove it sucks and all of its followers should be hung from trees. No one sees that incident for the weakness all human beings are born with and just move on. They also don't see that the core followers who beleive in and practice the tennets faithfully makeing it work while inspiring a few others in the process. The AvA presents you with a tangable choice because there is a spirit and decorum to the arena. Not a pre packaged purposfull free for all like the MA madhouse.
You can choose to reduce yourself to the level of normal MA conduct as your solution to being angry or you have an arena where the staff and its regulars are giving you an opportunity to help them support the arenas code of conduct as your response to those who don't know better. It's each of us who choose either to seek revenge and act no better than those you are mad at or support the AvA general spirit in the face of those adversities.
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You're talking silly bustr :rolleyes:
Where is all the drama in that???
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I may not make any friends by saying this, but one thing Ive noticed over the years is the group of people who have a passion for simulated air combat, but arent quite as good at it as they would like to be. Some want nothing to do with an even fight.
For me, noticing this started back in AW when the "Why cant we hit head-on?" crowd complained. They didnt want to gain the 6 of the enemy and defeat him. More issues through this game have been brought up from time to time. Always leaning toward the "but its more realistic " slant.
No matter what the issue, it always boils down to "I want to surprise my enemy and kill him easier". Whether its no icons, or always flying planes that can escape, or turn off the F3 mode in the DA, those people arent so much about knife fights as they are being the guy in the tower with a scoped rifle.
The little things like no icons may give an advantage to those with better systems they wouldnt have in a 1 on 1 fight with icons. You cant buy that. Its something you either get better at, or accept how you fly and be content, or try to influence others that what we have is unrealistic,gamey etc, and their way is better,to try and close the gap.
Personally I dont remember any fights where I got bounced and killed (its happened many times) but I remember many fights that started out with the pilots seeing eachotherand dukin it out till one was dead. A fight that might not have happened if there was no icons. I just dont see the benefit of it sorry. Its bad enough we have lag issues to put up with. Expecting everyone to see the same way your system portrays the game is wishful thinking.
If more effort went into setting up an arena where it was simply strat bombing and someone tracked tonnage on target through the campaign and the kills the escort and interceptors got, we'd have an arena most would play in.
Look for more ways to create great fights, not ways to sneak around.
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I don't recall finding a shortage of fights in there last night. :headscratch:
At least during "primetime".
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You're talking silly bustr :rolleyes:
Where is all the drama in that???
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Drama! You want DRAMA!!!! BuggieBoy.................... ... :old:
Drama is when that sillouett you just merged with passes under you and dissaperes into the ground clutter. Then your heart starts pumping and the swet starts pouring while you white knuckle your stick. The whole time you have that feet on your back scarey feeling because you just know the con pulled back up under your blind spot. So your twisting your neck off your shoulders trying to look like an owl, fishtailing left and right, while you just know those rounds are gonna start popping your tail any second.
Without that big red icon things have gotten a bit more lively in the AvA. Not all of the ACM in the world will save your tail if you cannot first keep track of the con off the merge. The haze in that arena just adds to the DRAMA..................... :angel:
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This would be correct except for one thing............ both the "picker" and "pickee" have no icons. It is up to both individuals to watch for the other without a big red "here I am " above their birds.
You are not the only one having issues seeing the other guy.... believe me when I say the other guy is in the same boat.
How? I am in a fight and he is not. How are we in the same boat?
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I think you are out to show the world you should of been named Richard.
As I said, no argument other than we did it, how could we possibly be wrong?
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Filth,
Yes I have a system that lets me see cons as tangable dots out to a 5 mile visibility along with TrackIR. The off-Icons mode is very visually like I remember the real life game of "Hold 6" my father and his freinds used to play in light planes near Frederic Maryland. At speed an aricraft with a 30ft or less wingspan is very hard to track if it's not in line of flight with you. That's why not everyone was able to become a fighter pilot in WW2. No one is holding a gun to your head and saying the AvA is the only arena you can play in. I'm sorry if how the environment is currently setup is not compatable with your current requirements.
After a few sorties last night it became second nature how to visualy adjust to VFR tracking a local fast moving con as opposed to the Dar and big red Icons lighting the way. I would not reccomend this mode for the MA. I think the Icon-Dar combo is a core feature to the longevity of Aces High in the MA's. But, this arrangement for some is very attractive on many levels. Not "just" because they lack skill and can now sneak around gaming kills. Uncharitable and narrowly focused comes to mind if you are using this assertion as a total blanket describing everyone who likes the off-Icon mode in the AvA. I'm not sure my squad POTW would be happy to know that you have determined by their enjoyment of the no-Icon mode that they lack the willingness to out fight other players head to head.
Wonder what we have been doing then in all those squad dueling leauge matches with on-Icon merging without HO co-alt........... :confused:
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How? I am in a fight and he is not. How are we in the same boat?
He has to find you just as you have to find him.
The AVA is not just 1 on 1 but one side against another. One way to be sure the other guy does not up and immediately engage you is to not venture so close to the other side's base. That is the same for the MAs. What is different is the fact that now both have to see eachother and then track as well as possible. Much easier said than done with no icons. If you keep thinking the other guys have the advantage on you then it is not 2 vs 1 but 3. You should know by now that you can be your own worst enemy.
Your other post earlier where you said you were here before me and will be here after me is interesting. I was not aware that you were here before 2000 and I'm not going anywhere. I have a huge stash of scotch for the powers that be......... :D
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I'm not sure my squad POTW would be happy to know that you have determined by their enjoyment of the no-Icon mode that they lack the willingness to out fight other players head to head.
Well, we would feel like a good fight was in order Bustr. Filth, you get your boys and our boys will meet ya in the AvA, MA, DA any place ending in "A", lol....let us know. No flaming necessary...just a good ole fight!
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No good deed goes unpunished........... :old:
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As I said, no argument other than we did it, how could we possibly be wrong?
Who the F is we? I have nothing to do with how the AvA setup. Personally I like the no-icon setup and would never take a stance to say you are wrong in your opinion, it is your opinion. No matter your point you're being a jerk about it and for some reason think some great show of immaturity is going to sway the other side.
I get you don't like the current AvA settings, understand completely the reasons why. But as of late it has been the best long term factor (hard to compete against the short term draw of a nice, new shiny map) to get some numbers in there.
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I may not make any friends by saying this, but one thing Ive noticed over the years is the group of people who have a passion for simulated air combat, but arent quite as good at it as they would like to be. Some want nothing to do with an even fight.
For me, noticing this started back in AW when the "Why cant we hit head-on?" crowd complained. They didnt want to gain the 6 of the enemy and defeat him. More issues through this game have been brought up from time to time. Always leaning toward the "but its more realistic " slant.
No matter what the issue, it always boils down to "I want to surprise my enemy and kill him easier". Whether its no icons, or always flying planes that can escape, or turn off the F3 mode in the DA, those people arent so much about knife fights as they are being the guy in the tower with a scoped rifle.
The little things like no icons may give an advantage to those with better systems they wouldnt have in a 1 on 1 fight with icons. You cant buy that. Its something you either get better at, or accept how you fly and be content, or try to influence others that what we have is unrealistic,gamey etc, and their way is better,to try and close the gap.
Personally I dont remember any fights where I got bounced and killed (its happened many times) but I remember many fights that started out with the pilots seeing eachotherand dukin it out till one was dead. A fight that might not have happened if there was no icons. I just dont see the benefit of it sorry. Its bad enough we have lag issues to put up with. Expecting everyone to see the same way your system portrays the game is wishful thinking.
If more effort went into setting up an arena where it was simply strat bombing and someone tracked tonnage on target through the campaign and the kills the escort and interceptors got, we'd have an arena most would play in.
Look for more ways to create great fights, not ways to sneak around.
Hate to say it Filth but you are so far off base on the reasons why no enemy icons works for those who enjoy it...even Dedalos is ahead of you in the curve.
I can tell you haven't been in the AvA since the enemy icons were turned off, there are only a small number of people who even try to hide in the bushes and they do the same thing in the other arenas. The dar settings make it nearly impossible to actually hide, most of the time there is a red dot on the clipboard map that shows your location to everyone on the other side, everywhere you go unless you're in a gv or flying under 100 feet.
A really good computer actually puts a player at a slight disadvantage in the arena due to the way objects are rendered, lower resolutions make it easier to spot things. You can test that out yourself.
Since you jumped on the realistic versus gamey boat, there is absolutely nothing realistic about a bunch of red letters that shows the dot you're looking at on your computer screen is a P-51 18,000 feet away from you. That information was included and is defaulted to on for everyone, because Aces High is a game where the majority of people playing it are mostly interested in the game aspect. If none of that information was there to begin with when you first started playing and you lasted long enough to consider yourself an expert pile-it, you would be complaining if people wanted to have that red letter information included. Yes the red letters are a gamey aspect as is the F3 mode in the DA, but in an environment where there is more than 2 sides battling it out in the same airplanes, the gamey stuff is necessary to accomodate as many people as possible.
I don't see you or anyone else who has railed their opinions about no enemy icons, taking the time to browbeat anyone who has gone through the trouble and expense to either build or purchase a sim pit. Oh wait, I know why people have sim pits, it's for the "immersion"...same as a the people who are enjoying no enemy icons in an arena where people fly for one of two sides and do the best they can to immerse themselves in simulated WWII air combat flying simulated WWII aircraft.
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Hate to say it Filth but you are so far off base on the reasons why no enemy icons works for those who enjoy it...even Dedalos is ahead of you in the curve.
I can tell you haven't been in the AvA since the enemy icons were turned off, there are only a small number of people who even try to hide in the bushes and they do the same thing in the other arenas. The dar settings make it nearly impossible to actually hide, most of the time there is a red dot on the clipboard map that shows your location to everyone on the other side, everywhere you go unless you're in a gv or flying under 100 feet.
A really good computer actually puts a player at a slight disadvantage in the arena due to the way objects are rendered, lower resolutions make it easier to spot things. You can test that out yourself.
Since you jumped on the realistic versus gamey boat, there is absolutely nothing realistic about a bunch of red letters that shows the dot you're looking at on your computer screen is a P-51 18,000 feet away from you. That information was included and is defaulted to on for everyone, because Aces High is a game where the majority of people playing it are mostly interested in the game aspect. If none of that information was there to begin with when you first started playing and you lasted long enough to consider yourself an expert pile-it, you would be complaining if people wanted to have that red letter information included. Yes the red letters are a gamey aspect as is the F3 mode in the DA, but in an environment where there is more than 2 sides battling it out in the same airplanes, the gamey stuff is necessary to accomodate as many people as possible.
I don't see you or anyone else who has railed their opinions about no enemy icons, taking the time to browbeat anyone who has gone through the trouble and expense to either build or purchase a sim pit. Oh wait, I know why people have sim pits, it's for the "immersion"...same as a the people who are enjoying no enemy icons in an arena where people fly for one of two sides and do the best they can to immerse themselves in simulated WWII air combat flying simulated WWII aircraft.
+1......I am really startin to like you Lethrneck.....
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you mentioned the f3 mode. that's available in the ma's in bombers.....whelp...all of the bombers, 'cept for our pee38's. when the hell do we get OUR f3? :noid :neener:
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you mentioned the f3 mode. that's available in the ma's in bombers.....whelp...all of the bombers, 'cept for our pee38's. when the hell do we get OUR f3? :noid :neener:
Yes sir it does...most bombers in WWII had 8 or more men in them...16 eyeballs. Since we can't recruit gunners to fly with us, I suppose HiTech gave us a bit of a view to compensate for the missing 14 eyeballs....just a guess though.
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Yes sir it does...most bombers in WWII had 8 or more men in them...16 eyeballs. Since we can't recruit gunners to fly with us, I suppose HiTech gave us a bit of a view to compensate for the missing 14 eyeballs....just a guess though.
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why do you take gunners without eyeballs? that's just crazy. :neener:
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First of all, what I said may not pertain to everyone in the AVA. I know many of you like to fight. Secondly I dont have anything to prove to anyone. I think Ive fought enough of ya over time so you know it would be a good fight, probably more so than some...SOME of you want. Thirdly, as far as the immersion, I think Im about as immersed in it as Id like to be. I told you I may not make friends with my comments, but its frankly how I feel about it.
As far as the sim pits go..Ive seen some pretty cool ones, but most come off looking like a box surrounding a pc. Not my bag..a little TOO into for my taste, but hey, whatever ya know? And as far as learning without them, I suppose Id either have learned that way if I could see the planes, or said nah Ill play something else. Gyrene frankly I dont feel as though I need to be instructed by you on anything, nor deserve to be. I have played in the AVA no-icon.
Lastly Im not a squad on squad guy as I normally am on my own. But I will accept any one on ones anyone would like to do in the DA. AND then go to the AVA, and when you see a noticable difference in my tracking ability, you will know why I posted these comments to begin with. Id just hate to see a handful of squeeky wheels change the game I like to play as is.
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Id just hate to see a handful of squeeky wheels change the game I like to play as is.
Filth, I was sorry to see that you, Dedalos and TC, in particular, didn't like no-icons; really, I'd thought they would appeal to all of you. That said, the cold fact is that until we went to no-icons settings there generally were no people in the arena. I would fly around for half an hour, sometimes an hour, by myself many, many nights, and the "Vacancy" sign was out on the pole for a very long time. I recognize that no one wants to be the first in an arena (or even the second), and I don't blame anyone for not wanting to spend time here. But now we actually do have people coming to the arena on a regular basis. If it's a choice between disappointing those who prefer icons but don't come to the arena (for whatever reason), and those who will come because there are no icons, it really isn't any choice at all.
AND I still think the three of you haven't given the no-icons settings a fair chance, so there.
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AND I still think the three of you haven't given the no-icons settings a fair chance, so there.
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Heya Oldman,
I am happy that the "no icons" setting for enemys is bringing in players to the AvsA.......
but I would have to correct you on the not giving it a fair chance.....
I have showed up as "TC" and also under my daughter's account
I have even winged with Dawger, and had fun doing it, and Dawger and I both had a blast. least I thought we did...
I have been in the AvsA with 15 to 30 people up playing.....
I have showed up being the only person there, waiting.....
I have showed up and the only person there at the time was Dawger, and I waited for him ( he was AFK on autopilot forever )
we had a few fights then more showed up.....
I can fly in there with no icons just as good as I can with icons
I just prefer icons.....
and a 1 pixel dot or 2 pixel dot up to prob 12 pixels on my screen does not look anything like a sillouette of any WWII plane to me.....
I also think about it in a similar way to what Filth described above.... regarding the sniper analogy or escaping or hiding ... what ever.
the one thing I have read in this entire thread that I truly agree with is what Bustr typed, and I in times past always saw this in AH and the CT/AvsA:
Polite peer pressure has been one of the hallmarks of the CT/AvA staff and regulars that keeps me dropping in over the years. When there is a core group of them in the arena during a peak session, they politely remind players to play with some decorum, politeness and to keep the sides even. Thats actually how in AW and AH during those way back good old days the fights were kept fun and polite. More of the regulars cared enough to polietly remind wayward players about the rules and decorume involved because it kept the game freindly and lively.
even though I do not care for the "no enemy icons" setting in there these days..... there will be times I will prob drop in there...
is like one of my squaddies in the Damned, who did not like flying the CT/AvsA back when the icon range was limited to less than 3K.
different strokes for different folks
as I said in that other thread, I wish the AvsA & AvsA Staff the best :aok
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Classy post TC,
Thank you sir :salute
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No hard feelins toward you Oldman, your one of the best. I understand where your coming from. I was just getting tired of seeing everyone pile up on Dedalos for stating his opinions, and acting all "if ya aint no icon, ya aint shat!"
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TC,
Did you know DAMND Slidr back in BD's early AW days?
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acting all "if ya aint no icon, ya aint shat!"
I would prefer to see it framed as just another personal preference rather than
"only those who want to avoid a fight and pick, want no icons" vs "only those who want easy mode and can't handle the challenge, want icons."
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did you guys know that we can make bridges go boom in here? :devil
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did you guys know that we can make bridges go boom in here? :devil
That was something Ranger found a way to make happen...pretty fun ain't it?
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"only those who want easy mode and can't handle the challenge, want icons."
And here we go again. AvA members just can't seem to stop belittling the people they're trying to draw in.
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That was something Ranger found a way to make happen...pretty fun ain't it?
uh huh.
sometimes i'm such a childish pile-it. just like seeing things go BOOM! :aok
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Is there a schedule for this arena regarding which type of aircraft is available & what terrain etc? I accepted your invitation and went there but no one was there at that time of day (I mostly play on CET time). Had a little fly around to check it out. Loved the desert terrain and the weather. I'm curious to try out the no icon part. I'll give it a mention to the DA regulars for you if it's any good.
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Is there a schedule for this arena regarding which type of aircraft is available & what terrain etc? I accepted your invitation and went there but no one was there at that time of day (I mostly play on CET time). Had a little fly around to check it out. Loved the desert terrain and the weather. I'm curious to try out the no icon part. I'll give it a mention to the DA regulars for you if it's any good.
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i dunno, but twizzty, shifty, jeagr, panos, ping, and a few other were in there last night....not many really....but some VERY fun fights. i didn't see any german iron last night, but rather the japanese recycled beer cans this time, which made it more interesting for me, as i don't fight them enough to have a clue of how to. :aok
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Is there a schedule for this arena regarding which type of aircraft is available & what terrain etc?
This is something that eludes the staff of the AvA. There is no schedule.
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did you guys know that we can make bridges go boom in here? :devil
(http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa135/1LTCAP/groundattack6.jpg)
(http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa135/1LTCAP/groundattack4.jpg)
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And here we go again. AvA members just can't seem to stop belittling the people they're trying to draw in.
Wow you really edited that to your taste didn't you?
His exact quote was this...
"only those who want to avoid a fight and pick, want no icons" vs "only those who want easy mode and can't handle the challenge, want icons."
He's giving examples of the extreme stance taken by both sides of the argument and stating he wishes people would keep the argument about preferences and not make personal attacks.
Maybe you didn't get the whole quote in because you were too busy stirring the pot...
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Wow you really edited that to your taste didn't you?
His exact quote was this...
"only those who want to avoid a fight and pick, want no icons" vs "only those who want easy mode and can't handle the challenge, want icons."
He's giving examples of the extreme stance taken by both sides of the argument and stating he wishes people would keep the argument about preferences and not make personal attacks.
Maybe you didn't get the whole quote in because you were too busy stirring the pot...
i actually had no trouble keeping my eye on you the other night. look back, look back/up, look back, look back/up.....there was that 109? tearing my pooor pee38 to pieces. :rofl
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Eh you made of for it Friday CAp. ;)
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Wow you really edited that to your taste didn't you?
His exact quote was this...
"only those who want to avoid a fight and pick, want no icons" vs "only those who want easy mode and can't handle the challenge, want icons."
He's giving examples of the extreme stance taken by both sides of the argument and stating he wishes people would keep the argument about preferences and not make personal attacks.
Maybe you didn't get the whole quote in because you were too busy stirring the pot...
Thanks Shifty.
BaldEagl, that was really taken out of context.
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Eh you made of for it Friday CAp. ;)
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yea...they were fun fights. i lost more than i won, but when it comes down to it, i won em all, 'cause they were a friggin blast.
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Is there a schedule for this arena regarding which type of aircraft is available & what terrain etc? I accepted your invitation and went there but no one was there at that time of day (I mostly play on CET time). Had a little fly around to check it out. Loved the desert terrain and the weather. I'm curious to try out the no icon part. I'll give it a mention to the DA regulars for you if it's any good.
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Check out the Axis vs Allies forum.
We don't currently have a schedule nailed down months or weeks in advance, but the setup generally changes on Thursday and we announce what it currently is and often what it will be the following week.
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Here is the like to the official AH Events calendar.
http://ahevents.org/events-calendar.html
Good luck finding the AvA schedule on it.
And the AvA is listed as part of the AH Events
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Here is the like to the official AH Events calendar.
http://ahevents.org/events-calendar.html
Good luck finding the AvA schedule on it.
And the AvA is listed as part of the AH Events
that sounds like something that may need nothing more than a phone call to htc.
but on the other hand.....i can really see no problem with no schedule.
i'll pop in. if i can't get an aircraft i want to fly, then i'll go somewhere else. if i can, i stay. or maybe......juuust maybe......i may be inclined to try.......wait......women, children, and girly-men, cover your eyes and ears.............
i may be inclined to try something different. THERE!! i said it. :neener: :aok
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that sounds like something that may need nothing more than a phone call to htc.
but on the other hand.....i can really see no problem with no schedule.
i'll pop in. if i can't get an aircraft i want to fly, then i'll go somewhere else. if i can, i stay. or maybe......juuust maybe......i may be inclined to try.......wait......women, children, and girly-men, cover your eyes and ears.............
i may be inclined to try something different. THERE!! i said it. :neener: :aok
A schedule is the first step in marketing something like the AvA.
Of course they can always go with with this for a slogan......
Axis versus Allies.....where WWII history is a mystery.
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A schedule is the first step in marketing something like the AvA.
Of course they can always go with with this for a slogan......
Axis versus Allies.....where WWII history is a mystery.
actually, that IS a very good slogan. the real wars outcome was a mystery till it happened....... :aok
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Dawger, in your opinion, how far in advance do you think it should be scheduled?
Keep in mind, we are having some maps made and such and we want to get them into the rotation as quickly as they are finished.
We also want to try some new things, campaigns that haven't been written yet etc.
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This is something that eludes the staff of the AvA. There is no schedule.
Yes there is, we just keep it from you.
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Dawger, in your opinion, how far in advance do you think it should be scheduled?
Keep in mind, we are having some maps made and such and we want to get them into the rotation as quickly as they are finished.
We also want to try some new things, campaigns that haven't been written yet etc.
The Aces High events calendar only goes out one month. The next month usually doesn't get published until the last ten days of the month. Right now only the September schedule is published.
So to answer your questions, one month.
Internally, the staff should be operating at least a few months in advance.
A good example of the frustration that comes without scheduling is this week's setup. The new map is keep up and called Okinawa and the plane set published is ridiculous. P38G in 1945 Pacific? Yet the setup is announced and implemented basically simultaneously. Of course, there are easily obtainable Okinawa plane sets. It is a pretty simple matter to use one of the existing Okinawa sets in the new terrain.
So one wonders why an existing set wasn't used.
I am holding the position that the lack of planning is what is causing such gross plane set errors. Of course it could be other factors but lack of planning is the most generous that comes to mind.
I am pushing for a schedule out of a desire to see the AvA succeed and become a popular alternative for players.
Without a published schedule the AvA is a place players either play in daily or not at all. Lacking the ability to easily discover if they have interest in the current setup, the AvA is easily forgotten.
There are some who want the AvA to be this way. They believe that in order to be a "true" AvA citizen you have to play there everyday no matter the setup. This ignores the reality of the game. People have their own interests. Even the FSO, an event that demands squadrons participation as a condition of enrollment allows for the preferences of the squadrons involved to be considered.
Publishing a schedule and then posting a forum post linking to the setup weekly will build the habit of folks checking the AvA schedule and planning online activities around the schedule. This is especially true for squadrons. I use the AH events calendar to plan squadron meets.
I see a few negative comments about my asking for a published schedule. One has to wonder why the opposition to the idea? What possible negative impact would a published schedule have?
The AvA better get moving. The new H2H is coming. It is supposed to be 32 player. When the average player has the ability to create exactly what the AvA is now, the AvA is done.
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I only speak for myself. Anything I say does not necessarily represent a consensus among staff.
Each week a different staff member takes the reigns, There are times when a particular set-up proves to be popular and generates requests to extend it another week which would throw a schedule off.
The new map was added to the server on the last full day of my set-up.
For whatever reason it was loaded up automatically. When I went to check the arena, my setup was gone, and there were already 8 players flying the new terrain.
I decided not to kick everyone out by reloading my set-up and just decided to leave the new terrain up.
The map drew a lot of interest, so we made a decision to extend it and yes hastily put together a different plane-set.
If we had a whole series of made for AvA terrains that work well for the smaller population it would be much easier to develop an advance schedule, but right now we rack our brains trying to come up with things that will be popular on maps that will work and we aren't currently that far ahead.
For the week of October 21, I am working on a pacific campaign, I will announce it when it's fleshed out a bit more.
We don't have nearly as many active CM's as the SEA does so it's a bit more difficult for us to lock into a schedule unless we are simply going to throw a map and plane set in every week without considering objectives, special details and such.
Again, speaking just for myself and not AvA staff as a whole, I would like to see more advanced scheduling happen.
Being an underused arena, we are still trying to come up with a popular formula and that requires some flexibility.
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how many people actually read the events calendar? or know it even exists for that matter?
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how many people actually read the events calendar? or know it even exists for that matter?
I would take a wild guess of at least 1/2 the subscribers will visit the AH Events page at least once a month if not more, depending on how many different events they participate in
as for the events calendar only, I would say a lot less, prob around 1/16th of the subscribers...... but most are already susbcribed thru emailers and through the AH events page.... so they have no need to go visit the events calendar....
they get it via email...... btw...... they do a great job of announcing on the special events forum about all other things, why not the weekly setup for AvsA arena???
just saying....
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they get it via email...... btw...... they do a great job of announcing on the special events forum about all other things, why not the weekly setup for AvsA arena???
just saying....
+1 sir :salute