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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Skuzzy on May 05, 2014, 04:08:51 PM
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The bulletin board is a wonderful tool, when used correctly, but when it is not used as it is intended, it is just a waste of effort.
We derive no pleasure from having to enforce the rules, yet there are those who continue to push limits without any regard for the consequences.
We want people to enjoy themselves, but when people start playing or making a game of what they can get away with on the bulletin board, we are forced to act.
We really do not wish to have to tell people to clean up signatures, or avatars. Quite frankly, we feel like the teacher on the kindergarten school play ground when we have to.
Please use the bulletin board as it was intended to be used and respect the forum rules.
Thank you.
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Skuzzy is awesome
Almost as awesome as zack
Everything is awesome....
Kindergarten lego movie music tribute
pie for all that are awesome..double portions for Skuzzy...
+1 for positive vibes
《《S》》 SKUZZY
Amazing job you do under tedious circumstances
respect where its due
《S》Jimmy
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Skuzzy is awesome
Almost as awesome as zack
Everything is awesome....
Kindergarten lego movie music tribute
pie for all that are awesome..double portions for Skuzzy...
+1 for positive vibes
《《S》》 SKUZZY
Amazing job you do under tedious circumstances
respect where its due
《S》Jimmy
Some of what Jimmy's having please :cheers:
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Some of what Jimmy's having please :cheers:
That stuff will mess you up, man.......
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Skuzzy
I would like to say thanks for your statement.
Our squad just lost a member a short time ago, because some people violated the rules and started "preaching" their "views" on "the world".
My parents met in 1943, at Lockheed, Burbank, They got married after the war in 1946, and I came along in 1947.
I always wanted to be a P38 pilot; but was told that they didn't make them anymore.
Now, thanks to everyone at HTC, that 67 year old gets to live his dream.
Thanks to you, all of you.
I come here to escape reality. Here is where I come to play.
I was under the impression that is what all of us are here for.
I find it sad that some decide to bring their problems and philosopihies here.
While everyone is entitled to their own beliefs, this is not the forum to express them.
Its a game, everybody, its supposed to be where we have fun.
Not put out petty BS
Don't lose sight of that.
just my 0.02 worth
one last time; Thank you everyone at HTC for fulfilling a 67 year olds childhoods dream
LtngRydr :old:
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(http://gifs.gifbin.com/102010/1285930892_kid-sticks-head-in-toilet-bowl.gif)
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Better hope Skuzzy's in a good mood, bro.
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Better hope Skuzzy's in a good mood, bro.
:aok
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fflsnPk_vus
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Better hope Skuzzy's in a good mood, bro.
I am in a fine mood. It is frustrating dealing with a group of people who came to a place of business and think they can do anything they want.
We give them warnings, we moderate the posts, we give them strong hints such as this thread, and it still does no good. They continue to act like a modicum of respect is not required.
So we are left with the task of weeding them out and cleaning up the mess afterward. This is not the way I would prefer to spend my day.
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Well Skuzzy, those same people were asking one question since 2010 or '11: "why?" They got no answer so far, except a short post from Hitech yesterday.
They did not like the changes in the game because it did negatively affect their playing experiance.
Guessing it was next to riskless to remove them and their complaints because they would have got bored soon and cancelled their sub anyways.
Now half of my friends are PNGed, those were the ones i liked to play this game with because they gave me the finest fun by the way they played. Guessing, i am/was in a low company.
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AND while they are fun people and great fighters, they tend to be one dimensional in-game. They want fights. That is PART of the game, but only PART. If things ever calm down, and people stop trying to "occupy" AH forums, they might find there are other ways to get what they want. R E S P E C T..... learn it, live it.
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Screw the respect, they wanted FUN and by their dictionary, the fight against a live opponent is much more fun than the fight against an auto ack or ords bunker.
Even those get respect who vulch in the koth toc, if they do it with a smile on their face. <bitter sigh> "kneel down" lol
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Debrody, there is a right way and a wrong way to go about anything.
Once it becomes clear no matter how much you try to steer things in the right direction, those who are not wanting to go there become a problem. We did not make that choice.
The last thing we want to do is ban or suspend anyone. If the disruptions cannot be calmed with communications, we are left with little choice. There is no rationalizing disruptive behavior. Disruptive behavior is disruptive behavior.
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So we are left with the task of weeding them out and cleaning up the mess afterward. This is not the way I would prefer to spend my day.
Banned from the game as well as the BBS?
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Banned from the game as well as the BBS?
No. Unless they give us some reason to go there. I hope not.
One person got banned.
Anyone else involved got a one to two week suspension, based on previous suspensions or lack of.
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I don't think I've ever seen someone PNG'ed for anything other than being a complete jerk on the message board. You don't get PNG'ed for expressing critical opinions; you don't get PNG'ed even for being a jerk -- you have get to a highly accomplished level of being a jerk for it to happen.
It's like a guy who is shouting and throwing his food around in a restaurant, ranting about how he doesn't like the clams in his clam chowder, and then getting the bum's rush. "What did I do? I didn't do anything! You have no right to throw me out! I'm a paying customer! Aaaaaaaaa!"
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Just adding my .02 cents in....
I agree 100% with LtngRydr. This game is my outlet and recreation, a break from the reality. It also allows people with the basic intreast in avaition to mingle, compare notes, learn, and above all have fun. With that being said, we've all got some complaints, I'm sure. However, I try to keep in mind that whatever gripes I have, I will gladly deal with, simply because I love the game play, even with it's little quarks, and the general community. Those in the player community that are continually fussing about the various issues that have been debated since the game's inception, please stop. Learn to deal with the game as it is now, and adjust to the changes that have and will be made. Going and crying about the SOS gets old and after awhile everyone gets tired of listening/reading the bullshat, and generally forms the perspective of "Oh my God, does (insert callsign here) ever quit?" Have fun, learn, and make friends. Don't go crying and fussing about the same crud over and over. It detracts from the people that are here to strictly have fun. And as a side note, don't gripe at someone else for killing you. They may have got lucky, or simply be the better pilot (God knows about every Rook and Bish player has used me as a target at some point :x) Learn what the other guy did, and if he is the better pilot, give the player his props. Be humble. Dont be too prideful to admit that you may have a weakness or made a bad choice. Send the other player a quick PM, tell him you appreciate the fight, had fun, maybe crack a joke. It may just foster a friendship and epic fights later on. If you feel like the other guy cheated in some way, that what film is for. (Though I've yet to come across a player that cheats on a regular basis and is still playing, the community I've noticed usually runs them off.)
Ok, off my soap box......
Respectfully submitted
FBPasta
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Most of us just be like...
(http://i364.photobucket.com/albums/oo82/bzavasnik/SayWhat_zps67532328.gif)
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Screw the respect
And that is why the eventually got themselves PNG'd. Quite frankly, if it was change they wanted, they went about it the wrong way. Trying to bully a developer to change the game is not a very bright thing to do. Of all the things to fall on their swords for, they picked a rather stupid reason.
ack-ack
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And that is why the eventually got themselves PNG'd. Quite frankly, if it was change they wanted, they went about it the wrong way. Trying to bully a developer to change the game is not a very bright thing to do. Of all the things to fall on their swords for, they picked a rather stupid reason.
ack-ack
Glad to see others who are tired of the complaints and "temper tantrums". I don't care about the 12 hour rule, I'm a knight. I've learned to play the WHOLE game, and it's fun. If I grow tired of one aspect, there are several more to find some fun in. Those who insist on being one dimensional, then screaming over vox because someone else isn't playing the way they want them to have gotten really boring and detrimental to the game. If they quit the game because they don't get their way and then get banned or suspended from the BBS because they wouldn't quit whining, the game will improve. They are NOT AH2 gods, despite their own opinions of themselves. Many of them are AWESOME pilots, and really good guys, but the best pilots in the game, if they are detrimental to the game and the BBS, should go, if they can't change.
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Glad to see others who are tired of the complaints and "temper tantrums". I don't care about the 12 hour rule, I'm a knight. I've learned to play the WHOLE game, and it's fun. If I grow tired of one aspect, there are several more to find some fun in. Those who insist on being one dimensional, then screaming over vox because someone else isn't playing the way they want them to have gotten really boring and detrimental to the game. If they quit the game because they don't get their way and then get banned or suspended from the BBS because they wouldn't quit whining, the game will improve. They are NOT AH2 gods, despite their own opinions of themselves. Many of them are AWESOME pilots, and really good guys, but the best pilots in the game, if they are detrimental to the game and the BBS, should go, if they can't change.
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Good night, I was off the boards for a couple days and blammo, the ban stick was in full force.
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never heard of a business being a democracy , and once people realize that problem solved
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Glad to see others who are tired of the complaints and "temper tantrums". I don't care about the 12 hour rule, I'm a knight. I've learned to play the WHOLE game, and it's fun. If I grow tired of one aspect, there are several more to find some fun in. Those who insist on being one dimensional, then screaming over vox because someone else isn't playing the way they want them to have gotten really boring and detrimental to the game. If they quit the game because they don't get their way and then get banned or suspended from the BBS because they wouldn't quit whining, the game will improve. They are NOT AH2 gods, despite their own opinions of themselves. Many of them are AWESOME pilots, and really good guys, but the best pilots in the game, if they are detrimental to the game and the BBS, should go, if they can't change.
Is this aimed AoM?
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Is this aimed AoM?
Just for the record, this is not about one squad. Let's not make it into that.
Thank you.
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Just for the record, this is not about one squad. Let's not make it into that.
Thank you.
I'm not the one implying it is, his post can very easily be interpreted as being directed at us. His post is disingenuous at best yet it will remain. Save yourself the trouble, I'm taking an extended break anyway. I'd like to keep access to maintain contact with whatever is left of my squad after the dust settles.
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I'm not the one implying it is, his post can very easily be interpreted as being directed at us. His post is disingenuous at best yet it will remain. Save yourself the trouble, I'm taking an extended break anyway. I'd like to keep access to maintain contact with whatever is left of my squad after the dust settles.
It can only be interpreted as being directed at anyone if it actually fits. There is nothing in there implying it is about anyone. It is a generic description of the typical problematic person.
Certainly from our perspective (HTC), it is not about a squad.
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I bet some ice cold beer and some bacon wrapped scallops to munch on while the ribeyes grill would fix things. Too bad everyone is so far from my back yard this evening.
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I bet some ice cold beer and some bacon wrapped scallops to munch on while the ribeyes grill would fix things. Too bad everyone is so far from my back yard this evening.
HiTech has a plane, or two. :)
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Speak as you would be spoken to
Post as you would be posted to
Reason as you would be reasoned to
Challenge as you would be challenged......
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I'm so finished with this junk. I can't even fly with my friends, the subject ends up on this STUPID ISSUE. It's ridiculous. I'm taking a break from the BBS and the game. Ya'll grow up.
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Copper, you fly on my channel and you are so much more rational through direct speech than text.
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See rule 2
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Just a few more weeks of this school stuff. :bhead
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If they cannot or will not play nice, 86 them. All of this happens because it is allowed. Makes for a rotten time.
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See rule 4
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Rule 3? Are you serious? How does saying this thread is turning into a bash-o-thon fall under rule 3?
I ment 2 hijack
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See rule 4
I see a vision of a dead soldier on the battlefield with his right hand in rigor mortis flipping off the guy that just killed him :salute
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Nap time?
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Nap time?
Sure, go ahead. :)
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I see a vision of a dead soldier on the battlefield with his right hand in rigor mortis flipping off the guy that just killed him :salute
I see a guy that was told a couple of times that he was gonna die and he just kept standing up and waiving :).
semp
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I see a guy that was told a couple of times that he was gonna die and he just kept standing up and waiving :).
semp
Not talking about the same guy, please keep up.
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Not talking about the same guy, please keep up.
oh the denail river is the largest one in the world :).
semp
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Or the Amazon for non mouth breathers.
"denail".. Good one
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semp is awesome
in her mind.
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semp is awesome
in her mind.
:lol
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oh the denail river is the largest one in the world :).
semp
If you need a hint, just ask.
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See Rule #4
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See Rule #4
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barf..
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*sigh.....
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Glad to see others who are tired of the complaints and "temper tantrums". I don't care about the 12 hour rule, I'm a knight. I've learned to play the WHOLE game, and it's fun. If I grow tired of one aspect, there are several more to find some fun in. Those who insist on being one dimensional, then screaming over vox because someone else isn't playing the way they want them to have gotten really boring and detrimental to the game. If they quit the game because they don't get their way and then get banned or suspended from the BBS because they wouldn't quit whining, the game will improve. They are NOT AH2 gods, despite their own opinions of themselves. Many of them are AWESOME pilots, and really good guys, but the best pilots in the game, if they are detrimental to the game and the BBS, should go, if they can't change.
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This board sometimes reminds me of those "housewives" shows my wife watches...I have to leave the room. Hitech should consider one additional rule for this board: No "housewives" behavior. It would be used often.
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This board sometimes reminds me of those "housewives" shows my wife watches...I have to leave the room. Hitech should consider one additional rule for this board: No "housewives" behavior. It would be used often.
Thus my sig.
Hand your purses to Skuzzy before commenting. :D
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Glad to see others who are tired of the complaints and "temper tantrums".
There is nothing wrong with complaining about a product or service you PAY for. If HTC were providing the game for free then nobody would have a right to b*tch. But EVERYONE who criticizes as a paying customer certainly has legitimacy to do so. The free market will determine if the decisions made by HTC were the right ones or not.
I have to take my hat off to them for being so friendly on the phone and via email. No complaints with that aspect of the business.
I wish I had all the answers. I would give them to HTC for a small fee and fix everything. But I don't. Nobody really does. I can only offer *MY* experiences. I think a few changes can be made to accommodate some complaints without ruining the game for those who like it as it is. Guess we will see.
:salute
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The world is full of complaints. Suggestions/recommendations, are more apt to be heard with an open ear.
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The world is full of complaints. Suggestions/recommendations, are more apt to be heard with an open ear.
Very true. But if one has a tin ear... Well...
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We now all know that good games are never "free" : at best they allow u to get "cosmetic plus" and such when u pay (10% of games), when 90% are "pay to win", which now draws more and more players OUT of those game$.
This "Free but if u pay more u win without fun/merit" model has come to its very end (imo) and games like EVE, who never used this model have never been more popular than today, which proves gamers arent as stupid as those cupid bugs thought.
It was a good idea first, then it became a marketing idea ($$$ !) and im extremely glad most of gamers now understand thats not the way to have good fun ! :rock
There is nothing wrong with complaining about a product or service you PAY for. If HTC were providing the game for free then nobody would have a right to b*tch. But EVERYONE who criticizes as a paying customer certainly has legitimacy to do so. The free market will determine if the decisions made by HTC were the right ones or not.
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I learned my lesson a long time ago from HTC... and more than 1 occasion.
<S> HTC
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I learned my lesson a long time ago from HTC... and more than 1 occasion.
<S> HTC
Now John Lennon wouldn't have caved in. ;)
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I have long delt w/'Customer Complaints'....
Let me say, the gang at HTC have gone above and beyond, obviously out of love for their mission, in dealing with snotty/ungrateful/unknowledgable customers. Of which I have been one.
Y'all(as they say here 'bouts) have earned my respect.
In some of my jobs I've had to 'buck up' employees who get dirty end of stick in dealing with same. Often it boils down to..'YOU must rise above, and do the Right Thing.'.
HTC always has.
I'm behind you with my money.
JGroth
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I have long delt w/'Customer Complaints'....
Let me say, the gang at HTC have gone above and beyond, obviously out of love for their mission, in dealing with snotty/ungrateful/unknowledgable customers. Of which I have been one.
Y'all(as they say here 'bouts) have earned my respect.
In some of my jobs I've had to 'buck up' ŷemployees who get dirty end of stick in dealing with same. Often it boils down to..'YOU must rise above, and do the Right Thing.'.
HTC always has.
I'm behind you with my money.
JGroth
:aok
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I learned my lesson a long time ago from HTC... and more than 1 occasion.
<S> HTC
and we all shine on..
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We now all know that good games are never "free" : at best they allow u to get "cosmetic plus" and such when u pay (10% of games), when 90% are "pay to win", which now draws more and more players OUT of those game$.
This "Free but if u pay more u win without fun/merit" model has come to its very end (imo) and games like EVE, who never used this model have never been more popular than today, which proves gamers arent as stupid as those cupid bugs thought.
It was a good idea first, then it became a marketing idea ($$$ !) and im extremely glad most of gamers now understand thats not the way to have good fun ! :rock
I hope you're right. We've also seen games destroyed by catering to players wants and requests. WB and EQ come to mind, but you need only look at the empty arenas in aces high that HTC provided which were requested by so many players to see that gamers often don't really know what they want. EQ for example, the grand daddy of MMO. Players wanted to make the game easier, level quicker, travel where ever they wanted when they wanted instantly, lessen the penalty for dying in game, etc. Basically they wanted to make it like WoW. The end result was that the players who wanted it to be like WoW unsurprisingly migrated to WoW anyway. The rest ended up leaving because it wasn't the game they signed up for. By making everything less challenging they had cheapened the experience. And making it so that character classes didn't need to rely on other character classes they destroyed the interdependence and the necessity of player cooperation in order to progress, which was the heart of the experience. Revealingly, the player base of project 1999, an EQ emulator of original everquest circa 1999, is growing while what's left of the player base of the modern EQ is still shrinking.
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and we all shine on..
Kum ba yah...
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I have long delt w/'Customer Complaints'....
Let me say, the gang at HTC have gone above and beyond, obviously out of love for their mission, in dealing with snotty/ungrateful/unknowledgable customers. Of which I have been one.
Y'all(as they say here 'bouts) have earned my respect.
In some of my jobs I've had to 'buck up' employees who get dirty end of stick in dealing with same. Often it boils down to..'YOU must rise above, and do the Right Thing.'.
HTC always has.
I'm behind you with my money.
JGroth
You can't be a customer and ungrateful. Your gratefulness is the money you spend, in this case, every month.
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From what I see many of the veterans to this game have posted well thought out suggestions to improve the game. It seems in some areas we are driven by the whiners, while great ideas are ignored. End result, we are losing great sticks and find the fighting is limited and the 'vulch, ho, run' style is much more common.
Some of the in-game rules and structures could be improved. I know AH is working on eye-candy, which is great, though the core supporters of this game are far less eye-candy, for more environment. In fact, most of the core dial back the eye-candy to limit lag to ensure peak performance in ACM.
It could be said that it is how they voiced their suggestions and request. Not enough 'mother may I,' far too much Rule #4 or #14. Fair enough though even the 'mother may I's' don't seem to get a response.
Please address this concern
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From what I see many of the veterans to this game have posted well thought out suggestions to improve the game. It seems in some areas we are driven by the whiners, while great ideas are ignored. End result, we are losing great sticks and find the fighting is limited and the 'vulch, ho, run' style is much more common.
Some of the in-game rules and structures could be improved. I know AH is working on eye-candy, which is great, though the core supporters of this game are far less eye-candy, for more environment. In fact, most of the core dial back the eye-candy to limit lag to ensure peak performance in ACM.
It could be said that it is how they voiced their suggestions and request. Not enough 'mother may I,' far too much Rule #4 or #14. Fair enough though even the 'mother may I's' don't seem to get a response.
Please address this concern
:aok The way I see it too
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:old: :headscratch:
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I disagree. I fly with vets. I know a fair portion of them. No one in our squad, nor on range discuss what much of BBS has been about of late.
My guess is ignore a dozen guys, and the ruckus would vanish.
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I disagree. I fly with vets. I know a fair portion of them. No one in our squad, nor on range discuss what much of BBS has been about of late.
My guess is ignore a dozen guys, and the ruckus would vanish.
noted: Hap advocates ignoring well thought out requests and concerns of veterans based on anecdotal evidence. :headscratch:
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noted: Hap advocates ignoring well thought out requests and concerns of veterans based on anecdotal evidence. :headscratch:
I find this observation terribly disturbing but agree with your conclusion
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From what I see many of the veterans to this game have posted well thought out suggestions to improve the game. It seems in some areas we are driven by the whiners, while great ideas are ignored. End result, we are losing great sticks and find the fighting is limited and the 'vulch, ho, run' style is much more common.
Some of the in-game rules and structures could be improved. I know AH is working on eye-candy, which is great, though the core supporters of this game are far less eye-candy, for more environment. In fact, most of the core dial back the eye-candy to limit lag to ensure peak performance in ACM.
It could be said that it is how they voiced their suggestions and request. Not enough 'mother may I,' far too much Rule #4 or #14. Fair enough though even the 'mother may I's' don't seem to get a response.
Please address this concern
What does this in any way have to do with this topic of bbs behavior?
A few more posts in here along with this one , I should delete for a rule #2. This post is an attempt at saying in a way that is not rude "HTC does not listen to the ideas I like because of course the ideas I like are well thought out, and they also suck because they moderate to many posts" .
This post would be fine if you simply started a topic about it, but it has a net effect of derailing a thread, and will / would start going down hill rapidly.
Please keep posts on topic.
HiTech
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From what I see many of the veterans to this game have posted well thought out suggestions to improve the game. It seems in some areas we are driven by the whiners, while great ideas are ignored. End result, we are losing great sticks and find the fighting is limited and the 'vulch, ho, run' style is much more common.
Some of the in-game rules and structures could be improved. I know AH is working on eye-candy, which is great, though the core supporters of this game are far less eye-candy, for more environment. In fact, most of the core dial back the eye-candy to limit lag to ensure peak performance in ACM.
It could be said that it is how they voiced their suggestions and request. Not enough 'mother may I,' far too much Rule #4 or #14. Fair enough though even the 'mother may I's' don't seem to get a response.
Please address this concern
You mean a small group of vets who decided they could berate the developers and anyone else who did not agree with them. Honestly, the game environment is forged more by those same players' in game actions and the rest of the older players setting the example of the right way to be men and have fun too than things programmed into the game play mechanics. There are many little things I would like to see different in the game, but when I look at them closer, they are more about making me happier and not making the community at large better. All the play my-way-type requests are not going to be acted on and to demand the company answer them on the BBS when it is not even necessary they take part on the BBS as a rule, people should take a giant chill pill. Board terrorism ain't the way to go. Name calling and temper tantrums aren't the way to go. They are supposed to be grown men, and yet they act like they were never taught the concept of sportsmanship, much less common courtesy. Honestly, I quit playing organized sports over a decade ago because the trash talking took over the game. It spoils a lot of other games I would usually like to go see live when certain players run their mouths before the game even starts and are still running them after it ends. I hate it, it is such juvenile behavior and it has no place except between friends who know the difference when the other guy is playing and not, I honestly can not tell when many try to do it in game. There is absolutely nothing cute or even suggestive that they do not mean the mean things they spew, there and here. I really hate it when people try to justify it with lame excuses. There is no justifying it, it is not justifiable. When players and posters in here scoff at the idea of respect, you know you are dealing with someone who has no redeeming qualities in the end, because respect is the cornerstone of so much and without it their actions and how they think they can treat people is so degraded it is almost criminal. Maybe people are developing into online sociopaths with zero ability to act rational and are devoid of remorse. These guys at HTC are more than reasonable men. If I were running it I would have taken a much different tact, so their restraint has always impressed me. It is sad the rest of that clique are determined not to see the truth of the matter, that when people act out of order, there should and will be consequences. Nobody is owed anything outside of the ability to log in and play the game, that is the only thing their subscription buys them, everything else about the BBS is gravy. If their answers are not forthcoming or to their liking they should suck it up like grownups do and carry on.
:salute
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See rule #4
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See Rule #4
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See rule #4
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You mean a small group of vets .....
And not so vets. ;)
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I think the point is we need civility around here. There are too many smartguy comments that wreck the signal to noise ratio. Time spent policing the boards is better spent developing the game. If everyone, myself included, could try exercising a little restraint I think it would help everything.
YMMV.
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Time spent policing the boards is better spent developing the game.
AcesHigh has Moderators ingame, why not player Moderators on the boards?
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Halo46 I agree with and can hear his frustration.
Any game is designed with rules to make it fair for everyone playing. Is there not a wishlist forum to address changes a player would like? There are plenty of requests that HTC has looked at that don't make sense to furthering HTC's vision of the Aces High cyberworld. They have made the sandbox, it was waiting for me when I joined up all I had to do was start flying and contribute to the fun of the others in the sandbox. When some kindergarten kid wants to act out and throw sand the teacher has to act and try to explain the rules of decency but it is tough with some kids.
(http://i492.photobucket.com/albums/rr286/erader711/thsandbox2.gif) (http://media.photobucket.com/user/erader711/media/thsandbox2.gif.html)
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See Rules #4, #5
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AcesHigh has Moderators ingame, why not player Moderators on the boards?
The board had moderators years ago (old timers may remember Oclub moderators mp1, mp2, mp3 and so on) and, according to Skuzzy, it did not work out.
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See Rules #4, #5
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Interesting
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Let's drop it now guys. We all understand the point. Move along.
/thread
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The board had moderators years ago (old timers may remember Oclub moderators mp1, mp2, mp3 and so on) and, according to Skuzzy, it did not work out.
MP1 MP2. :confused: no no no has to go with their names to work. Anonymity extending that far cant work.
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I have a couple other hobbies outside AH and participate in a few other message boards. One hobby puts me on national/international message board and a local (to my state) board. In my experience, the local message boards are MUCH more civil than the the bigger boards. My theory for why that may be has to do with accountability. Locally, there's a LARGE chance someone knows you or will actually meet you in person. Therefore, the contributors police themselves because there are repercussions for their actions on the boards. Unfortunately for us and HT on this BBS there is a large degree of annonimity and therefore people are much more apt to do/say the wrong thing.
When I think about how much time the HT crew spends policing our actions here, it bothers me. Their time could be much better spent.
I can't account for other people's actions so I'll take responsibility for my own...
I, LilMak, in an effort to create a more perfect community, vow to understand and never intentionally break the rules set forth in this forum from this day forward. I also vow to be civil and respectful to those who post to these forums as well.
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When I think about how much time the HT crew spends policing our actions here, it bothers me. Their time could be much better spent.
I agree 100%
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AcesHigh has Moderators ingame, why not player Moderators on the boards?
Last time I was in game I got muted in the AvA for laughing at someone attempting to vulch me taking off and got muted for it, last thing we need are player moderators.
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"You can't be a customer and ungrateful. Your gratefulness is the money you spend, in this case, every month.'
Absolute tripe.
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You mean a small group of vets who decided they could berate the developers and anyone else who did not agree with them. Honestly, the game environment is forged more by those same players' in game actions and the rest of the older players setting the example of the right way to be men and have fun too than things programmed into the game play mechanics. There are many little things I would like to see different in the game, but when I look at them closer, they are more about making me happier and not making the community at large better. All the play my-way-type requests are not going to be acted on and to demand the company answer them on the BBS when it is not even necessary they take part on the BBS as a rule, people should take a giant chill pill. Board terrorism ain't the way to go. Name calling and temper tantrums aren't the way to go. They are supposed to be grown men, and yet they act like they were never taught the concept of sportsmanship, much less common courtesy. Honestly, I quit playing organized sports over a decade ago because the trash talking took over the game. It spoils a lot of other games I would usually like to go see live when certain players run their mouths before the game even starts and are still running them after it ends. I hate it, it is such juvenile behavior and it has no place except between friends who know the difference when the other guy is playing and not, I honestly can not tell when many try to do it in game. There is absolutely nothing cute or even suggestive that they do not mean the mean things they spew, there and here. I really hate it when people try to justify it with lame excuses. There is no justifying it, it is not justifiable. When players and posters in here scoff at the idea of respect, you know you are dealing with someone who has no redeeming qualities in the end, because respect is the cornerstone of so much and without it their actions and how they think they can treat people is so degraded it is almost criminal. Maybe people are developing into online sociopaths with zero ability to act rational and are devoid of remorse. These guys at HTC are more than reasonable men. If I were running it I would have taken a much different tact, so their restraint has always impressed me. It is sad the rest of that clique are determined not to see the truth of the matter, that when people act out of order, there should and will be consequences. Nobody is owed anything outside of the ability to log in and play the game, that is the only thing their subscription buys them, everything else about the BBS is gravy. If their answers are not forthcoming or to their liking they should suck it up like grownups do and carry on.
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This says it better than I have or could. Exceedingly well said.
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You mean a small group of vets who decided they could berate the developers and anyone else who did not agree with them. Honestly, the game environment is forged more by those same players' in game actions and the rest of the older players setting the example of the right way to be men and have fun too than things programmed into the game play mechanics. There are many little things I would like to see different in the game, but when I look at them closer, they are more about making me happier and not making the community at large better. All the play my-way-type requests are not going to be acted on and to demand the company answer them on the BBS when it is not even necessary they take part on the BBS as a rule, people should take a giant chill pill. Board terrorism ain't the way to go. Name calling and temper tantrums aren't the way to go. They are supposed to be grown men, and yet they act like they were never taught the concept of sportsmanship, much less common courtesy. Honestly, I quit playing organized sports over a decade ago because the trash talking took over the game. It spoils a lot of other games I would usually like to go see live when certain players run their mouths before the game even starts and are still running them after it ends. I hate it, it is such juvenile behavior and it has no place except between friends who know the difference when the other guy is playing and not, I honestly can not tell when many try to do it in game. There is absolutely nothing cute or even suggestive that they do not mean the mean things they spew, there and here. I really hate it when people try to justify it with lame excuses. There is no justifying it, it is not justifiable. When players and posters in here scoff at the idea of respect, you know you are dealing with someone who has no redeeming qualities in the end, because respect is the cornerstone of so much and without it their actions and how they think they can treat people is so degraded it is almost criminal. Maybe people are developing into online sociopaths with zero ability to act rational and are devoid of remorse. These guys at HTC are more than reasonable men. If I were running it I would have taken a much different tact, so their restraint has always impressed me. It is sad the rest of that clique are determined not to see the truth of the matter, that when people act out of order, there should and will be consequences. Nobody is owed anything outside of the ability to log in and play the game, that is the only thing their subscription buys them, everything else about the BBS is gravy. If their answers are not forthcoming or to their liking they should suck it up like grownups do and carry on.
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If you feel that way about online games and their community, maybe you shouldn't play them. Not being sarcastic at all, just saying because most every gaming community has this issue.
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I have a couple other hobbies outside AH and participate in a few other message boards. One hobby puts me on national/international message board and a local (to my state) board. In my experience, the local message boards are MUCH more civil than the the bigger boards. My theory for why that may be has to do with accountability. Locally, there's a LARGE chance someone knows you or will actually meet you in person. Therefore, the contributors police themselves because there are repercussions for their actions on the boards. Unfortunately for us and HT on this BBS there is a large degree of annonimity and therefore people are much more apt to do/say the wrong thing.
When I think about how much time the HT crew spends policing our actions here, it bothers me. Their time could be much better spent.
I can't account for other people's actions so I'll take responsibility for my own...
I, LilMak, in an effort to create a more perfect community, vow to understand and never intentionally break the rules set forth in this forum from this day forward. I also vow to be civil and respectful to those who post to these forums as well.
That's all any of us can do, we alone get to decide if we're going to try and be a positive contributor to the community or not. Another thing to think about, this BBS is a reflection on the community. I've been told that a relatively small portion of the overall player base posts here, but think of this. This forum is also the first look at the game and community for a lot of potential new players. Before they can get in the game and see HO-ing, ganging, vulching, hording, before they can complain about 12 hour switch times, they can see what we post here and start forming opinions on the game w/out ever setting foot in the arenas.
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That's all any of us can do, we alone get to decide if we're going to try and be a positive contributor to the community or not. Another thing to think about, this BBS is a reflection on the community. I've been told that a relatively small portion of the overall player base posts here, but think of this. This forum is also the first look at the game and community for a lot of potential new players. Before they can get in the game and see HO-ing, ganging, vulching, hording, before they can complain about 12 hour switch times, they can see what we post here and start forming opinions on the game w/out ever setting foot in the arenas.
Well said <S> It is not a tall order to work and play well with others. Also, I suppose the happy guys are many more times more numerous than the loud voices. That is my supposition.
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I fly my RV8 around.
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I fly my RV8 around.
Can you come pick me up and take me for a ride?
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My dog in this hunt is at what time does "better" win the day? All of this is so tedious and sad.
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Last time I was in game I got muted in the AvA for laughing at someone attempting to vulch me taking off and got muted for it, last thing we need are player moderators.
I'm sure you didn't get muted for laughing.....
its a shame that people hide behind a computer and say what they want, when they know darn well, if they were face to face, they would never say most of what you see on the boards. HTC has the tough job of deciding whats appropriate and whats not. its a shame the problem children can't be just a bit more respectful and word things in a way that is more succinct and less inflammatory. not saying that everyone is trying to start something, just less argumentative.
you got something to say, say it like the guy is in the room with you and not like a bully. HTC watches and listens. sometimes it works to cater to the needs of the community, sometimes not, but you can always ask, and they always answer. just because you don't like the answer doesn't make it pig pile time( sorry pigs on a wing)!
there are times when i think kindergarten kids are better behaved then some of the adults in here.
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I'm sure you didn't get muted for laughing.....
you got something to say, say it like the guy is in the room with you and not like a bully.
Maybe I worded it wrong as If I was being a bully, my apologies I was not in any way attempting to be a bully or a jerk for that matter. Actually what happened was simply stupid and childish, and did end in a mute for saying "hahaha". Only reason I would actually remember it because it was frankly childish to begin with.
You are absolutely right, only time I got muted in the past few years was either childish or talking the good ol politics on 200 when clearly its not allowed. As time goes by I can only recall being muted once in the past many years for giving someones position away on 200 because of the nagging voice over Vox.
I do believe the entire TopGun were threatened with mute for a week if we did it again, at the time? funny as hell, not so much now - it was rather childish.
I think some take things far to serious, maybe a break is in order for some people - relax and read a book, much as I wish I could be flying back in game right now (Which I most likely will resubscribe this weekend), I've had plenty of time to look back and improve on how i've been in game and on here.
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My dog in this hunt is at what time does "better" win the day? All of this is so tedious and sad.
Don't read it then.
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If you feel that way about online games and their community, maybe you shouldn't play them. Not being sarcastic at all, just saying because most every gaming community has this issue.
No they don't. I play in the IL-2 communities (all three games) and they are not like I see here at all. They are much more civil. Folks have their differences of opinion, but nothing like the whining, temper tantrums and snotty stuff I see here. I don't play the arcade games like WarThunder or World of Tanks or fantasy games and maybe it's there, but this board goes into the ditch far more often and deeper than any other flight sim community I've seen. AH is a great game with a lot of great folks playing it but the obnoxious few are hurting the game and the image of the game reflected here.
Halo46 shouldn't stop playing when the obnoxious few can be easily weeded out. Might be the best advertising dollars Hitech has ever spent, that being the lost revenue from a little pruning.
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No they don't. I play in the IL-2 communities (all three games) and they are not like I see here at all. They are much more civil. Folks have their differences of opinion, but nothing like the whining, temper tantrums and snotty stuff I see here. I don't play the arcade games like WarThunder or World of Tanks or fantasy games and maybe it's there, but this board goes into the ditch far more often and deeper than any other flight sim community I've seen. AH is a great game with a lot of great folks playing it but the obnoxious few are hurting the game and the image of the game reflected here.
Halo46 shouldn't stop playing when the obnoxious few can be easily weeded out. Might be the best advertising dollars Hitech has ever spent, that being the lost revenue from a little pruning.
:aok Im with this guy ;)
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I agree and I am glad to see these steps taking place, though seeing people pushed out is never a good thing. Many of the other communities eject people immediately when they step out of line. HTC has been (I would say) too forgiving. I am guilty of stepping over the line a few times myself, especially with #14. I think the art of debate has been lost somehow, but also people think emotionally too often rather than consider things more thoroughly and actually using their brains. While it is far easier to attack the messenger than it is to reasonably counter the argument that the messenger poses the result is almost always the entire topic going up in flames. I have been seeing that as how the entire BBS is controlled by the few that use the tactic, and that causes people to stop using the board.
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No they don't. I play in the IL-2 communities (all three games) and they are not like I see here at all. They are much more civil. Folks have their differences of opinion, but nothing like the whining, temper tantrums and snotty stuff I see here. I don't play the arcade games like WarThunder or World of Tanks or fantasy games and maybe it's there, but this board goes into the ditch far more often and deeper than any other flight sim community I've seen. AH is a great game with a lot of great folks playing it but the obnoxious few are hurting the game and the image of the game reflected here.
Halo46 shouldn't stop playing when the obnoxious few can be easily weeded out. Might be the best advertising dollars Hitech has ever spent, that being the lost revenue from a little pruning.
How have they hurt the game?
I mean, if one is to make such claims, it would be nice to have empirical evidence of it.
Someone acting like a dick, behind a keyboard, in a video game or on it's forum does not ruin the game because it is completely possible to ignore them.
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1. a place, meeting, or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged.
I don't see where it says all views and ideas are required to be the same. Some folks are a lot more passionate about things than others.
As for "a little pruning", having less customers does not pay the bills, unless you have an alternate source of funding.
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Whatever some ppl say, i m playing AH for 6 months, i luv it the way it is, i'm gonna stay a very long time and i thank HTC/Skuzzy crew for what they did/are doing/will do for the game.
S! :salute
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It looks like this thread about kindergarten lessons will in fact end with a kindergarten lesson :)
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No they don't. I play in the IL-2 communities (all three games) and they are not like I see here at all. They are much more civil. Folks have their differences of opinion, but nothing like the whining, temper tantrums and snotty stuff I see here. I don't play the arcade games like WarThunder or World of Tanks or fantasy games and maybe it's there, but this board goes into the ditch far more often and deeper than any other flight sim community I've seen. AH is a great game with a lot of great folks playing it but the obnoxious few are hurting the game and the image of the game reflected here.
Halo46 shouldn't stop playing when the obnoxious few can be easily weeded out. Might be the best advertising dollars Hitech has ever spent, that being the lost revenue from a little pruning.
Wow. I can't believe a light hearted "birds sing in color" got ruled but things like this are allowed to stay. I love HTC and I love this game but this is clearly hatred of a group of people that is being allowed over an opinion that was given. Sure, they are very passionate about the game because they enjoy it and only want to see it prosper. None of their posts have been to this extent and it disheartens me to see that this kind of behavior is more acceptable.
I have flown with the Muppets for quite while now and have found them to be some of the nicest guys in the game. They have treated me with respect and are a lot of fun to fly with. Over the past little while I have tried all I can to
help promote the game and tell people how good it is...now I wonder why. I almost cancelled my account(s) when I read this, being targeted indirectly is how this comes across. I hate to see that some want to "weed" out others that
have the same love for the game, believe it or not, I even want this guy to stay. I have sat back and not said much about this whole thing. I can see both sides of the situation and don't totally agree with either. Sure things got heated and probably dealt with the wrong way, on both sides. Something that could have been put to rest so easily escalates into something that good players are talking about bailing over, some already have..pity.
I think I will stay, just because leaving would satisfy so many and I don't want to give them that satisfaction. I hope others will do the same. AND I hope that we can go back to just enjoying the game that we all love without all of the bs.
Have a nice day.. :)
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I think I will stay, just because leaving would satisfy so many and I don't want to give them that satisfaction. I hope others will do the same. AND I hope that we can go back to just enjoying the game that we all love without all of the bs.
Have a nice day.. :)
This is the most sound advice I've seen in a long time :)
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Wow. I can't believe a light hearted "birds sing in color" got ruled but things like this are allowed to stay. I love HTC and I love this game but this is clearly hatred of a group of people that is being allowed over an opinion that was given. Sure, they are very passionate about the game because they enjoy it and only want to see it prosper. None of their posts have been to this extent and it disheartens me to see that this kind of behavior is more acceptable.
I have flown with the Muppets for quite while now and have found them to be some of the nicest guys in the game. They have treated me with respect and are a lot of fun to fly with. Over the past little while I have tried all I can to
help promote the game and tell people how good it is...now I wonder why. I almost cancelled my account(s) when I read this, being targeted indirectly is how this comes across. I hate to see that some want to "weed" out others that
have the same love for the game, believe it or not, I even want this guy to stay. I have sat back and not said much about this whole thing. I can see both sides of the situation and don't totally agree with either. Sure things got heated and probably dealt with the wrong way, on both sides. Something that could have been put to rest so easily escalates into something that good players are talking about bailing over, some already have..pity.
I think I will stay, just because leaving would satisfy so many and I don't want to give them that satisfaction. I hope others will do the same. AND I hope that we can go back to just enjoying the game that we all love without all of the bs.
Have a nice day.. :)
Do you really not see the difference of posting on topic, and posting something with the intent of purposely breaking the rules with an off topic post? And change ups first post was even ignored by me knowing that part of it was simply letting off steam, but then a few hours later he does the exact same thing with a different statement? It is at that time I moderated them. Changups only intent was to "Ill show them that I will do what I want" in a way that he thought he could just push the edge and get away with it.
Such behavior is what this thread is about in the first place.
As far as disliking the group, I never even heard of the AOP until a few weeks ago when they started putting the free hilbilly in there signatures and we had to tell them to remove the item.
Hilbly was removed for starting a web page whos only purpose was to disparage HTC. Well if he dislikes our policies that much, after we spent 1/2 hour on the phone with him, and do our best to explain our policies. And will not let the issue be settled, he really does not give us much choice.
Does this sound similar to the current avatars?
Then the same group after knowing that trying to protest something with your signature is not acceptable, attempted the same tactic with their avatars protesting the 12 hour rule. Those avatars spawned this thread in a hope that we would not have to confront them again directly telling them to take down the avatars.
It didn't work, or they chose to ignore this
We really do not wish to have to tell people to clean up signatures, or avatars. Quite frankly, we feel like the teacher on the kindergarten school play ground when we have to.
People are free to posts complaints and wishes. But when they start using a "Bulling" / berating manner, start interjecting their desire/wish into many threads, they do not give us a choice but to deal with the behavior.
So I ask you a question.
Why do you think changeup made those two post in this thread?
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Its funny and silly to me that HTC could be so offended from an avatar with a 12 in it... You guys at HTC act no better, in this case, than the community at large.. Instead of flamming a dissenting opinion, you ban them.. Which is worse?
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Measure twice, cut once.......in other words, think twice, type once. That advice has saved me from the ban hammer more than a few times ;)
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There's actually a difference between an online virtual squadron and a gang of wanna-be thugs (on or offline). There is room for improvement here (and apparently still opportunity). :salute :cheers:
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Its funny and silly to me that HTC could be so offended from an avatar with a 12 in it... You guys at HTC act no better, in this case, than the community at large.. Instead of flamming a dissenting opinion, you ban them.. Which is worse?
First I do not know any place where we have flamed anyone or any opinion. If we have please show me and I will apologize. I can show you many places where people accuse HTC of behavior like you are doing now, that we simply do not do.
It has nothing to do with a dissenting opinion. It is more akin to marching with a sign into a business saying you do not like something the company is doing, and then expect that they would not ask you to either get rid of the sign or leave. Again it is about behavior , not an opinion.
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I think most forget that AH is a Business, HITECH and Skuzzy have every right to defend something they work on everyday.....simply so we all can enjoy the game we call AH. Most miss that as they get bogged down in the BBS complain grinder that goes on and on.
There really is no need to even have an issue.
HTC provides a wish list thread for things such as the 12hr change and any other change/wish players would like to see in game, and they will either change it or they wont. There really is no reason to come and post and repost threads with the intention that if I keep doing it mentality HTC will "HAVE" to change it. Much less the mentality of if HTC doesn't do as I wish I will quite game.
It is sad to see BBS leaning more and more as just a place to complain.
I would say this, Do you play AH? Do you enjoy playing it? If you answer yes to this then. Get at it and enjoy!!
If you get drawn into the "I can't play the game because of.......1......2......3 etc" Then you are missing all the great stuff that makes AH great as it is. :salute
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It has nothing to do with a dissenting opinion. It is more akin to marching with a sign into a business saying you do not like something the company is doing, and then expect that they would not ask you to either get rid of the sign or leave. Again it is about behavior , not an opinion.
I would agree with that, however what happens when that person marching in is a paying customer, and has a group of friends who agree with what's on the sign, and are paying customers as well? Many companies will simply ignore such things, instead of coming out and crossing swords with them, which is what's been happening lately, and frankly, is a complete waste of your time Dale. Nobody else can create what you've made, or else they would have done it in the last 15 years you've been around, so any time you spend on your bbs system dealing with this stuff is a complete waste of valuable time IMO.
Even when you're right, sometimes it's better to just stand pat and do nothing, as opposed to coming out knife in hand. I know HTC has often said it's a case of being caught between a rock and a hard place, damned if they do, damned if they don't. I can understand how they feel that way, however in the case of a purely business perspective, would it not be better to come down on the side that doesn't get a bunch of customers, no matter what % of your business they are, angry and wound up over their fellow squadmates being banned from the bbs system over words, regardless of what they've said or who they've said it.
What would have happened if HT and SKuzzy never posted or moderated that original 12 hour rule thread at all? What would the net result be in terms of subscribers? It's pretty much down to this IMO - would potential new players look at that thread and think, great, I see no bad words or arguing going on, this game must be fantastic! - versus a few dozen people now talking in private forums or through PM's about how p/o'd they are about a few people being PNG'd, regardless if it was "deserved" or not. What was actually gained vs what has been lost, and could be lost?
I do know one thing as I first stated, just having this going on is a waste of HTC's time, and part of me wishes that other than the help section and a few other areas, the BBS would be just shut down, that or it just left to its own devices, without so much time and concern being poured into it by HTC. It's obvious from the posts here from HT that this issue has him p/o'd, and he's well within his right to be so, but where is that getting anyone? Sometimes customers, even the ones you think are wrong, no, especially those ones, have to be treated with kid gloves, and be told what they want to hear, even if you don't want to say it. It's just a different school of thought from what I've observed vis a vis bbs interaction between HTC and a number of customers over the years. I do know one thing - in the beginning years this never happened, not like it is happening now, I saw few if any customers leave over having bent feelings due to bbs bannings and suspensions. Why is that, especially when the game cost 2x what it does now, and 3x for people outside the USA at the time due to the dollar?
There is a popular sentiment that it's HTC's house, they should be respected at all times, and anyone who doesn't abide by this should be shown the door. This is an easy policy to agree with when you don't count on those players, even the ones being "disrespectful", to provide you with revenue. If you have a customer call you every name in the book, tell you your product sucks, start other websites about you, go on Facebook ranting - is that a bad thing? Any advertising, good or bad, is a + in the win column for any company, as they are out there talking about you, and most people make up their own minds regardless of what they read. When you take action against those customers, or even potential customers, in the form of punishments and PNG's from your company's website, all that's happened is that bonus you're getting has just been tossed out the window, as now the opposite happens. People walk away, instead of towards you.
Just my opinion, like Peppr, I've been around too long to go anywhere now, and what's keeping me here is I know it in my bones that the next thing coming will be something special, and will make me happy the way the first time I came here did, when Soulyss told me about it when we were talking Warbirds in another game 15 years ago. IMO any time wasted on BBS trivium is making this date further into the future, and I personally don't want to wait any longer than is necessary.
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I would say this, Do you play AH? Do you enjoy playing it? If you answer yes to this then. Get at it and enjoy!!
I think some people just take for granted the game we have. I've been gone over a year not by choice, but things happen. A year ago I whined about the 12 hour switch - I just did a few sorties, got to take up the new Tu-2 and even shot down a N1k trying to dogfight with it.
Most likely I won't log but a few sorties - maybe a dozen at most if I am lucky, I already feel my $15 is worth it. I'm just sorry I didn't break down sooner and get back flying, its something I miss.
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Gman Your speaking in theoretical, I'm speaking of specific actions.
What would you do with a customer who has sent PM's to people using fowl and abusive language and is complained about by the recipient of the PM's? Then this customer is warned and continues with the same actions?
You appear to be viewing things only as a no net loss, actions of some costumers will absolutely chase other customers off. These really are nothing but business decisions. I really have no desire to chase anyone away , or moderate any forum.
Your in essence requesting me to do nothing about anything. Saying that doing nothing is always better.
To put it simply My opinion is that the actions some players (some not even customers) was/is hurting my business. You may disagree, but it is my responsibility to make the decision , and me who suffers the consequences or rewards of the choice.
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I don't understand what's wrong with the 12 he rule if anything it should be changed to the 24 hour rule. I also find it silly to ban people though for having an avatar with a 12 in it, eventually they wouldve realized nothing would change and they wouldve removed it on there own.
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First I do not know any place where we have flamed anyone or any opinion. If we have please show me and I will apologize. I can show you many places where people accuse HTC of behavior like you are doing now, that we simply do not do.
It has nothing to do with a dissenting opinion. It is more akin to marching with a sign into a business saying you do not like something the company is doing, and then expect that they would not ask you to either get rid of the sign or leave. Again it is about behavior , not an opinion.
HiTech
I'm not saying you guys flamed anyone, sorry for not making that more clear.. I agree HTC is accused wrongly from time to time..
Some were asked to remove this and that from their profiles and on every occasion those request were honored... The avatar in question made no mention of HTC.. No warning for avatars, afaik, was given and at the time and no written forum policy on the matter.. It appears a stand was taken against a group opinion over an avatar.. How such a trival thing could affect HTC and cause this action I don't understand.
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There are some cases where the customer is NOT always right. Their gripe about the 12 hour rule is acceptable, in the right place and with the understanding that the FINAL decision about is is in HiTech's hands. That means if the answer is no, or NOTHING, (which means the answer is no), that's pretty much the end of the discussion. Some people may have been able to get what they want in life by badgering, and this is the end result....trying to badger HiTech into caving. They forced his hand. Now the topic is verboten. The protest is verboten. Adults would understand that and move on. This is NOT "Occupy the AH BBS". Skuzzy and HiTech have my support and gratitude for making a great game. Do what you have to do.
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I'm not saying you guys flamed anyone, sorry for not making that more clear.. I agree HTC is accused wrongly from time to time..
Some were asked to remove this and that from their profiles and on every occasion those request were honored... The avatar in question made no mention of HTC.. No warning for avatars, afaik, was given and at the time and no written forum policy on the matter.. It appears a stand was taken against a group opinion over an avatar.. How such a trival thing could affect HTC and cause this action I don't understand.
What do you think was in the mind of the instigators of the avatar when they made it?
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Do you really not see the difference of posting on topic, and posting something with the intent of purposely breaking the rules with an off topic post? And change ups first post was even ignored by me knowing that part of it was simply letting off steam, but then a few hours later he does the exact same thing with a different statement? It is at that time I moderated them. Changups only intent was to "Ill show them that I will do what I want" in a way that he thought he could just push the edge and get away with it.
Such behavior is what this thread is about in the first place.
As far as disliking the group, I never even heard of the AOP until a few weeks ago when they started putting the free hilbilly in there signatures and we had to tell them to remove the item.
Hilbly was removed for starting a web page whos only purpose was to disparage HTC. Well if he dislikes our policies that much, after we spent 1/2 hour on the phone with him, and do our best to explain our policies. And will not let the issue be settled, he really does not give us much choice.
Does this sound similar to the current avatars?
Then the same group after knowing that trying to protest something with your signature is not acceptable, attempted the same tactic with their avatars protesting the 12 hour rule. Those avatars spawned this thread in a hope that we would not have to confront them again directly telling them to take down the avatars.
It didn't work, or they chose to ignore this
People are free to posts complaints and wishes. But when they start using a "Bulling" / berating manner, start interjecting their desire/wish into many threads, they do not give us a choice but to deal with the behavior.
So I ask you a question.
Why do you think changeup made those two post in this thread?
HiTech
By all means, I see your point. I even said in my post..."I can see both sides of the situation and don't totally agree with either."
What I don't understand is how this...
No they don't. I play in the IL-2 communities (all three games) and they are not like I see here at all. They are much more civil. Folks have their differences of opinion, but nothing like the whining, temper tantrums and snotty stuff I see here. I don't play the arcade games like WarThunder or World of Tanks or fantasy games and maybe it's there, but this board goes into the ditch far more often and deeper than any other flight sim community I've seen. AH is a great game with a lot of great folks playing it but the obnoxious few are hurting the game and the image of the game reflected here.
Halo46 shouldn't stop playing when the obnoxious few can be easily weeded out. Might be the best advertising dollars Hitech has ever spent, that being the lost revenue from a little pruning.
does not break a rule also and is allowed to continue. Is it because he is staying on topic? In your words..."But when they start using a "Bulling" / berating manner, start interjecting their desire/wish into many threads, they do not give us a choice but to deal with the behavior." That is what got me upset.
being targeted indirectly is how this comes across.
With all respect,
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I think you should all join the scenario and shoot each other. It is a game, after all :D It's supposed to be fun.
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:aok :aok :salute :cheers:
I think you should all join the scenario and shoot each other. It is a game, after all :D It's supposed to be fun.
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does not break a rule also and is allowed to continue. Is it because he is staying on topic? In your words..."But when they start using a "Bulling" / berating manner, start interjecting their desire/wish into many threads, they do not give us a choice but to deal with the behavior." That is what got me upset.
Because it is in no way a personal attack. It is not an ad hominem argument,and is speaking directly about actions & behaviors.
Difference as example.
These whining and sniveling dweebs cause all the problems. (Personal attack)
This whining and sniveling behavior causes all the problems.
They are very very different statements.
HiTech
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Because it is in no way a personal attack. It is not an ad hominem argument,and is speaking directly about actions & behaviors.
Difference as example.
These whining and sniveling dweebs cause all the problems. (Personal attack)
This whining and sniveling behavior causes all the problems.
They are very very different statements.
HiTech
Ah, my mistake...it is ok if the attack is on a group of people but not an individual person.
I just assumed it broke rule #4
4- Flamebaiting, flaming, being abusing, being disrepectful, trolling, spamming or posting to incite or annoy is not allowed. If you cannot make a positive contribution to the thread, then just stay out of it.
Thank you for responding
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I think you should all join the scenario and shoot each other. It is a game, after all :D It's supposed to be fun.
:aok I agree.. :)
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never mind
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What do you think was in the mind of the instigators of the avatar when they made it?
HiTech
Quick answer?
They don't like the 12 hour rule.
People like their freedom.
Hell, I don't like the 12 hour rule myself, and as such, my playing time has decreased dramatically since it's inception. I have been unemployed for the past few months and yet, even with the free time at my disposal, I haven't had much desire to play. I rarely log on and, when I do, it is usually for FSO. If I were to be quite frank, I would say that, when and if I play, I do so more for the opportunity to bond with friends than I do for loyalty to the game itself right now. I suppose that it is one of the many facets of the game that I am willing to keep shelling-out my $15/month for, even though it cuts into what meager savings I have right now, considering I am without income at the present time.
Some would call that fiscally irresponsible or even plain stupid. I haven't really analyzed it that thoroughly perhaps out of fear of doing so, I would probably agree and discontinue paying for something I rarely use...
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Ah, my mistake...it is ok if the attack is on a group of people but not an individual person.
I just assumed it broke rule #4
4- Flamebaiting, flaming, being abusing, being disrepectful, trolling, spamming or posting to incite or annoy is not allowed. If you cannot make a positive contribution to the thread, then just stay out of it.
Thank you for responding
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:aok I agree.. :)
Do not put words in my mouth, where in my post did I say anything in any way hinted at implied or eluded to the concept of a group being different then an individual.
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Ah, my mistake...it is ok if the attack is on a group of people but not an individual person.
It is not a specific group of people that's ok. It's a category of people that's ok. For example, "obnoxious few" is a category of people based on behavior. It doesn't name anyone as included in that group but it's still useful to use to discuss behavior and consequences.
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What would you do with a customer who has sent PM's to people using fowl and abusive language and is complained about by the recipient of the PM's? Then this customer is warned and continues with the same actions?
I would agree with you 100% in this instance, but this isn't what I'm talking about. Grizz post is an excellent example. Where was the abusive language, repeated over and over to other customers there? He may have been repetitive, even provocative, but where was the clear violation of the rules within that? This is specifically the problem IMO - there was no abusive language, or anything fowl in his, or many other players posts which have gotten them either suspensions, PNG's, or often both. That is the route of the argument I think.
The first couple or few years you had this BBS HT, I can recall it getting pretty heated, I said many stupid things myself looking back, during the election fiasco of 2000, things that would absolutely have gotten me a PNG now. Had that happened, I wouldn't even be here. How many others since that time who have gotten bent feelings over being PNG'd on the bbs system have left the actual game itself? Only you know that I suppose, but it does happen, nobody can argue that, and based on Skuzzy's own words, the "inevitable angry PM, email, phone call, then cancellation" in that order, it must happen often enough for him to take note and even say that. I guess the 64$ question is, is it worth it to HTC to lose those customers in order to have a bbs system as it exists now. I suppose one of the things I've never understood is how the bbs when it was near free for all back in the beginning, as compared to now, affects HTC so far as overall business goes. I also understand you probably can't or won't answer that, and I can also understand why. All I've ever hoped is that things would be arrow pointing up here, as opposed to down, but lately - it just looks like down from the odd times I've popped into the arenas to see the numbers, as well as the number of posters here. I hate down arrow. A lot. I want to see up arrow, which is why I'm still here, as are hundreds of others to be sure, waiting to see what comes next. I still think time spent here worrying over words, not deeds, in the bbs, is time nobody benefits from. As you said, it's your responsibility, your company, I fully respect that, and this is just my opinion, that's all, I'm happy to exist under any rules or perception of their application, so long as there is hope for the future. I personally believe people will be so busy and happy with a new product once it's out that a lot of these negative waves will just filter away on their own. I've seen that happen with other products often enough.
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:aok Im with this guy ;)
What a shock.
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I would agree with you 100% in this instance, but this isn't what I'm talking about. Grizz post is an excellent example. n. I've seen that happen with other products often enough.
Grizz has been band before for the specific case I sighted. We were gracious enough to give him changes again, but he was constantly pushing the edge of acceptable behavior. The avatar was just the final straw. The other people are simply either 2 or 1 week suspensions.
The first couple or few years you had this BBS HT, I can recall it getting pretty heated,
It got so bad we had to shut down the bbs for periods of time to get peoples attention.
I personally believe people will be so busy and happy with a new product once it's out that a lot of these negative waves will just filter away on their own. I've seen that happen with other products often enough.
On this we agree, long development cycles , like we are in right now, always create more unrest.
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How have they hurt the game?
I mean, if one is to make such claims, it would be nice to have empirical evidence of it.
Here you go.
Saying the BBS is a turn off is a ridiculous excuse to use.
You have no idea how wrong you are. This BBS drives off more customers than the game could ever do. People use the bulletin board for help. It is the first line of support, for many people.
The general complaints I get involve words such as arrogant, egotistical, nasty, rude, inconsiderate, and so on. Notice a theme?
Yes, the training and support aspects of the board are decent and helpful, but if someone accidentally strolls into the general forum and tries to get help, they are met with a rather caustic bunch of responses.
I am part of several other game boards and while there is no end of negative posting, if someone asks for help, most of the responses are helpful. I have tested that, many times.
For Skuzzy to say that the community is driving away more customers than the game itself is just so bizarre.
Do you understand I am only regurgitating what is said in many emails and PM's I get weekly?
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Do not put words in my mouth, where in my post did I say anything in any way hinted at implied or eluded to the concept of a group being different then an individual.
HiTech
My apologies. By no means was I trying to put words in your mouth.
I took Shores comment as an attack on a group of people that he thinks should be weeded out of the community. Therefore thinking that attacking a group of people was
ok as long as you didn't name names and attack an individual person. My mistake.
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...and it is AoM not AoP.. ;)
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Here you go.
This BBS drives off more customers than the game could ever do. People use the bulletin board for help. It is the first line of support, for many people.
The general complaints I get involve words such as arrogant, egotistical, nasty, rude, inconsiderate, and so on. Notice a theme?
Do you understand I am only regurgitating what is said in many emails and PM's I get weekly?
I want pie charts. Someone get Lusche :D
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I want pie charts.
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_bduaKHGp-vA/SPfe9aKDiOI/AAAAAAAAAI8/kB5bkE23Qwc/s320/johnnycarsonpie212.jpg)
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Thanks for the responses HT. I'll sthu now and not contribute to the problem vis a vis you're programming time any longer.
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Grizz has been band before for the specific case I sighted. We were gracious enough to give him changes again, but he was constantly pushing the edge of acceptable behavior. The avatar was just the final straw. The other people are simply either 2 or 1 week suspensions.
It got so bad we had to shut down the bbs for periods of time to get peoples attention.
On this we agree, long development cycles , like we are in right now, always create more unrest.
HiTech
From what grizz told me, he hasn't been banned in five years. You make it sound like he has always been a problem. Actually if you look back at his posts he rarely is moderated and a valued contributor. You png banned him for a silly avatar? :aok
P.S. Hlbly did not make that webpage you speak of until AFTER he was banned, according to him. Somebody's version of the story is not accurate.
:headscratch: :bolt:
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What do you think was in the mind of the instigators of the avatar when they made it?
HiTech
To show what they are in favor off. There's as much harm in it as displaying an avatar saying 'bring on the Bruster'. It was not a secret society plotting on killing the Fuhrer and create anarchy. You asked, don't ban me for answering :lol
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P.S. Hlbly did not make that webpage you speak of until AFTER he was banned, according to him. Somebody's version of the story is not accurate.
The only reason we banned him was because of the sight.
HiTech
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Some folks kept poking a Tiger with a stick. Result is they are either PNG'd or taking a little vacation. It also resulted in the HTC Crew eating up time having to deal with them instead of working on upgrading the game. Since the crack down, the forum looks a lot better now, as we do not see the SAME bloody complaints REPEATEDLY showing up all the time and getting out of hand. That wasn't doing well for AH's image. But hey, they wanted to keep poking the Tiger with a stick, so the Tiger gave them a little mauling. It would appear that some where tasty. :)
In all honesty, I am surprised that the HTC Crew let all that slide for so long. I wanted to gnaw on my keyboard a few times reading some of the stuff, which was the same thing under different titles. :lol
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The only reason we banned him was because of the site.
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In all honesty, I am surprised that the HTC Crew let all that slide for so long. I wanted to gnaw on my keyboard a few times reading some of the stuff, which was the same thing under different titles. :lol
I am surprised dale puts up with that crap so long honestly. My rental business i deal with over 175 tenants daily. I keep my cool most of the time, dale deals with customers and i deal with tenants. The amount of crap he gets daily amazes me. I wouldnt put up with it honestly. My father always told me to have patience, but i only went so far. I would of banned a few by now with my attitude, i only hope i can model myself after dale in the way he and skuzzy handles things.
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We have a bunch of BBS "lawyers" in here, I think. This ain't court, and HiTech would be judge, jury and executioner if it was. One day folks are going to grow up and let the subject drop. Right now, the whole think is imploding on them. The more they keep this up, more people will grow tired of the monopolizing of so many threads and space on the BBS. They aren't making allies, they're alienating many who either have no opinion on the rule in question, along with those who want the rule in place. I don't care about the rule, but the whole topic and the way they continue ad nauseum is ridiculous.
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We have a bunch of BBS "lawyers" in here, I think. This ain't court, and HiTech would be judge, jury and executioner if it was. One day folks are going to grow up and let the subject drop. Right now, the whole think is imploding on them. The more they keep this up, more people will grow tired of the monopolizing of so many threads and space on the BBS. They aren't making allies, they're alienating many who either have no opinion on the rule in question, along with those who want the rule in place. I don't care about the rule, but the whole topic and the way they continue ad nauseum is ridiculous.
Some people on the BBS are attorneys...
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Pepprr, I wasn't talking about AoM. I was talking about a category of behavior I've seen exhibited by a few players both in-game and on this board. I did disagree with Bear's suggestion that Halo46 should consider not playing just because "that's the way it is."
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What do you think was in the mind of the instigators of the avatar when they made it?
HiTech
I can't speak for them exactly.. I would guess it represented their desire for a change.. I do not believe it spoke negatively or otherwise portrayed HTC in a negative light.. It was not an offensive image... It represented no ill will..
May I ask what was in the mind of the moderator that banned them? Of the banner and the banee, which mind do you believe posed more ill will? You don't have to answer that obviously.. Just don't say it was a business decision.... We're all human at times.. thx for the replys though..
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Some folks kept poking a Tiger with a stick. Result is they are either PNG'd or taking a little vacation. It also resulted in the HTC Crew eating up time having to deal with them instead of working on upgrading the game. Since the crack down, the forum looks a lot better now, as we do not see the SAME bloody complaints REPEATEDLY showing up all the time and getting out of hand. That wasn't doing well for AH's image. But hey, they wanted to keep poking the Tiger with a stick, so the Tiger gave them a little mauling. It would appear that some where tasty. :)
In all honesty, I am surprised that the HTC Crew let all that slide for so long. I wanted to gnaw on my keyboard a few times reading some of the stuff, which was the same thing under different titles. :lol
:lol I know right? I said that before, and Changeup labeled it as 'sucking up/brown nosing', nice to see others see HTCs generosity and patience. I think the ban hammer should swing more often, personally. :aok
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I can't speak for them exactly.. I would guess it represented their desire for a change.. I do not believe it spoke negatively or otherwise portrayed HTC in a negative light.. It was not an offensive image... It represented no ill will..
May I ask what was in the mind of the moderator that banned them? Of the banner and the banee, which mind do you believe posed more ill will? You don't have to answer that obviously.. Just don't say it was a business decision.... We're all human at times.. thx for the replys though..
Since I am unaware as to what image(s) or content 'provoked' the PNG. If possible, can anyone give information as to what the 'offending' image(s) or words were?
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Pepprr, I wasn't talking about AoM. I was talking about a category of behavior I've seen exhibited by a few players both in-game and on this board. I did disagree with Bear's suggestion that Halo46 should consider not playing just because "that's the way it is."
If you are going to quote me do it properly. That's the way it is in other games as well.
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The only reason we banned him was because of the sight.
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I confirmed that, I believe you, but you are basically saying grizz was banned again because he pm'd someone a nasty message in addition to the avatar stuff, which lets call a spade a spade, was 100% non offensive. The Pm in question happened five years ago and he apologized to the player in question, it was a huge mistake and he owned up to it and expressed remorse. It's not exactly fair to speak of an isolated incident that occurred in 2009 against him and phrase it like it happened concurrently with this debacle.
At this point complaints have transgressed from an in game rule to customer treatment, right or wrong, in my opinion. :salute
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Since I am unaware as to what image(s) or content 'provoked' the PNG. If possible, can anyone give information as to what the 'offending' image(s) or words were?
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It was a fist with the number 12 on it. Most of us were in the process of adding it to our avatars as a silent protest about the 12 hour rule. Along lines of "Perk the La-7" or "Give us the Meteor" or whatever.
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:lol I know right? I said that before, and Changeup labeled it as 'sucking up/brown nosing', nice to see others see HTCs generosity and patience. I think the ban hammer should swing more often, personally. :aok
In direct response to this post only, that's because Changeup has seen the exact same people to whom he was speaking, post rule violations blatantly but when the company owners are present in the thread they are posting, suddenly their behavior changes to syrup.
That, and only that, is the reason for Changeups statement and due to that consistent behavior, he stands behind it.
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It was a fist with the number 12 on it. Most of us were in the process of adding it to our avatars as a silent protest about the 12 hour rule. Along lines of "Perk the La-7" or "Give us the Meteor" or whatever.
This is exactly what I thought was in the mind of the people who used the image. I was farly forcefully shutting down threads on the 12 hour rule issue, and hence the "Protest" is doing nothing more but wanting to continue the issue after being told other wise.
As I have said all along, people do not get to do "protests" with picket signs "Avatars" in my place of business.
What went threw my mind was I saw it was "Oh man, they really didn't do this after they were just warned about protesting stuff in their signature, Crap I got to deal with it again"
HiTech
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It was a fist with the number 12 on it. Most of us were in the process of adding it to our avatars as a silent protest about the 12 hour rule. Along lines of "Perk the La-7" or "Give us the Meteor" or whatever.
I see, thanks for the clarification.
In direct response to this post only, that's because Changeup has seen the exact same people to whom he was speaking, post rule violations blatantly but when the company owners are present in the thread they are posting, suddenly their behavior changes to syrup.
That, and only that, is the reason for Changeups statement and due to that consistent behavior, he stands behind it.
While I can't say I know of any examples you may have on the topic. If that is how you feel, then so be it. It is never my intention to overstep my bounds or to offend, but if I do I sincerely apologize, for again, that was never my intention.
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I see, thanks for the clarification.
While I can't say I know of any examples you may have on the topic. If that is how you feel, then so be it. It is never my intention to overstep my bounds or to offend, but if I do I sincerely apologize, for again, that was never my intention.
Let's just call it a day on this. The whole thing makes my hair hurt.
See you guys tonight so come kill me if you can...
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It was a fist with the number 12 on it. Most of us were in the process of adding it to our avatars as a silent protest about the 12 hour rule. Along lines of "Perk the La-7" or "Give us the Meteor" or whatever.
Protesting a rule with aggressive imagery (yes a clenched fist is) in every thread is different to showing support of the addition of a plane to the game. Coming just after a flood of 12 threads it was an overt show of disrespect to the owners and others on this forum.
I personally do not care if the country swap time stays or is lowered.
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Protesting a rule with aggressive imagery (yes a clenched fist is) in every thread is different to showing support of the addition of a plane to the game. Coming just after a flood of 12 threads it was an overt show of disrespect to the owners and others on this forum.
I personally do not care if the country swap time stays or is lowered.
I did not feel that it was aggressive. In fact, I didn't even feel mildly threatened...
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Here you go.
You casually miss out my very accurate responses.. :rolleyes:
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Protesting a rule with aggressive imagery (yes a clenched fist is) in every thread is different to showing support of the addition of a plane to the game. Coming just after a flood of 12 threads it was an overt show of disrespect to the owners and others on this forum.
I personally do not care if the country swap time stays or is lowered.
I did not put it as my avatar to show "disrespect" to HTC in anyway shape or form.....
the exact opposite actually....instead of bit$ing about it in every thread that pops up... I figured a quiet avatar...
and NO I never got a PM about getting rid of it....if I did I would have.....
I was extremely pissed off getting the ban for a week...I deleted my account and deleted the game from my PC.....
I feel different now and it has nothing to do with being allowed back or whatever....
I still hate the 12 hr rule...that will never change....I hope HTC is thinking about it and maybe one day when he is less busy he will seriously consider a change....
I cant help but Love Aces High...it is a great game....with LOTS of great people in it....and YES MOST of those great people carry the AOM badge....
anyways I am back....so those that hate me will have to stop smiling..... :rock
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See rule #4 troll/ flame bait.
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I did not put it as my avatar to show "disrespect" to HTC in anyway shape or form.....
the exact opposite actually....instead of bit$ing about it in every thread that pops up... I figured a quiet avatar...
and NO I never got a PM about getting rid of it....if I did I would have.....
I was extremely pissed off getting the ban for a week...I deleted my account and deleted the game from my PC.....
I feel different now and it has nothing to do with being allowed back or whatever....
I still hate the 12 hr rule...that will never change....I hope HTC is thinking about it and maybe one day when he is less busy he will seriously consider a change....
I cant help but Love Aces High...it is a great game....with LOTS of great people in it....and YES MOST of those great people carry the AOM badge....
anyways I am back....so those that hate me will have to stop smiling..... :rock
I see you found your meds :D
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I still hate the 12 hr rule...that will never change....I hope HTC is thinking about it and maybe one day when he is less busy he will seriously consider a change....
as far as I remember, in one of the threads from a week or two ago, he said he was considering lowering it from 12, but nowhere near 1 hour... the fact he acknowledged the issue at all was good enough for me, as I don't see what further complaining would accomplish.
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How did I miss this thread with the awesomely inclusive title.... :rock
12hr rule discussion really boils down to....how can we make the game better so there are more fights, less vulch, ho and horde, and flying a boring buff mission because there are no fights going on.
Over the years I have read on these boards many good ideas on how to 1) gorilla market AH to attract new players 2) how to identify 2-weekers, help them have a good experience so they remain, 3) ideas around squad play to build a positive environment that lessons the Ho, Vulch, horde junk, 4) game improvements big and small....I would like AH to consider some of these ideas to improve the community.
Someone whined about spies and placing CVs. Irony, country jumping to see where the "enemy" CV is so you can up some buffs and kill it because there aren't any fights going on.
The 12hr issue has become a frustration, which has lead to aggressive banter, though regardless of language make some changes is a valid. I remember when AH had two late war arenas when changes happened 100+ players would log. AH listened, changed it and the fights got better. I strongly suspect changes to the 12hr rule would help the fights a bit. And some of these ideas on marketing and community building.
But that is just me...
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I am now being accused, in another forum, of sending a nasty pm threatening someone. how wonderful.
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as far as I remember, in one of the threads from a week or two ago, he said he was considering lowering it from 12, but nowhere near 1 hour... the fact he acknowledged the issue at all was good enough for me, as I don't see what further complaining would accomplish.
That was pretty much our stance.. After the reply you won't really find any complaints from us about it.. Just the unknown ultimate complaint in the form of an avatar..
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I see you found your meds :D
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as far as I remember, in one of the threads from a week or two ago, he said he was considering lowering it from 12, but nowhere near 1 hour... the fact he acknowledged the issue at all was good enough for me, as I don't see what further complaining would accomplish.
im just gonna fly and kill...or die trying :devil
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I am now being accused, in another forum, of sending a nasty pm threatening someone. how wonderful.
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I did not feel that it was aggressive. In fact, I didn't even feel mildly threatened...
It is also not your company, or your playground.
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I also would not use the word aggressive but the look of the avitar is real ly not an issue,it was it's purpose that was the problem.
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On the topic of forum behavior, I would like to make an open apology for my past postings. I regret being a flaming tool and a ranting idiot. I’m sorry.
My epiphany came when I was ready to throw down and get violent with another player. I was ready to beat somebody in real life over a game. It was 2010, I think, and I have stepped back from the forums since.
Aces High is a great game, but still just a game. Not a reason to be as rude as I was.
“Lighten up, Francis.” – Sergeant Hulka. :salute
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On the topic of forum behavior, I would like to make an open apology for my past postings. I regret being a flaming tool and a ranting idiot. I’m sorry.
My epiphany came when I was ready to throw down and get violent with another player. I was ready to beat somebody in real life over a game. It was 2010, I think, and I have stepped back from the forums since.
Aces High is a great game, but still just a game. Not a reason to be as rude as I was.
“Lighten up, Francis.” – Sergeant Hulka. :salute
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You don't want to get into a fight with a roofer, all that time in the sun turns them into crazy bastages.
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It is also not your company, or your playground.
The opposing view to this is that the customer IS the company and playground. No customer, no playground, and then no company. Every single customer is part of the playground, and every customer's opinion matters, even if it's contrary to what the company thinks.
Expressing that opinion, through words, avatars, whatever - what damage does that actually do to the company. I would love to see proof of one new player coming here, reading something such as this current flap, and then saying "no way I'm trying this game, there's dissent on the bbs!". Balance the incredibly slim likelihood of that ever happening against crossing swords with numerous regular long time players - I just don't see how it adds up.
Star Citizen is a good example - their bbs is like World War 3 compared to here. They brought in this little sum of money, I believe it was around 20 million dollars, for a game that doesn't even EXIST yet- 500$ of which is from me. The insanity of their bbs didn't hold me back for an instant - nor did it for the others who put in the other 19,999,500 dollars.
Edit - All of this should at the very least give you some good ammunition for a few decent cartoons Fugi. I early am awaiting some good laughs, so please bring it.
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The opposing view to this is that the customer IS the company and playground. No customer, no playground, and then no company. Every single customer is part of the playground, and every customer's opinion matters, even if it's contrary to what the company thinks.
Expressing that opinion, through words, avatars, whatever - what damage does that actually do to the company. I would love to see proof of one new player coming here, reading something such as this current flap, and then saying "no way I'm trying this game, there's dissent on the bbs!". Balance the incredibly slim likelihood of that ever happening against crossing swords with numerous regular long time players - I just don't see how it adds up.
Star Citizen is a good example - their bbs is like World War 3 compared to here. They brought in this little sum of money, I believe it was around 20 million dollars, for a game that doesn't even EXIST yet- 500$ of which is from me. The insanity of their bbs didn't hold me back for an instant - nor did it for the others who put in the other 19,999,500 dollars.
Edit - All of this should at the very least give you some good ammunition for a few decent cartoons Fugi. I early am awaiting some good laughs, so please bring it.
While a business has to respect their customers, the customers should respect the business also. It's a two way street.
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It's a two way street.
Again, the opposing view to this is that it's actually a one way street. The money only goes in one direction, see. Keeping it going in that singular direction is paramount in respect to everything else.
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The opposing view to this is that the customer IS the company and playground. No customer, no playground, and then no company. Every single customer is part of the playground, and every customer's opinion matters, even if it's contrary to what the company thinks.
Expressing that opinion, through words, avatars, whatever - what damage does that actually do to the company. I would love to see proof of one new player coming here, reading something such as this current flap, and then saying "no way I'm trying this game, there's dissent on the bbs!". Balance the incredibly slim likelihood of that ever happening against crossing swords with numerous regular long time players - I just don't see how it adds up.
Star Citizen is a good example - their bbs is like World War 3 compared to here. They brought in this little sum of money, I believe it was around 20 million dollars, for a game that doesn't even EXIST yet- 500$ of which is from me. The insanity of their bbs didn't hold me back for an instant - nor did it for the others who put in the other 19,999,500 dollars.
Edit - All of this should at the very least give you some good ammunition for a few decent cartoons Fugi. I early am awaiting some good laughs, so please bring it.
This nonsense is keeping my $16/month in my pocket for the time being. Is that proof enough? Really - as a past player wanting to get back into the game, this is ridiculous. Grow up, guys.
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This nonsense is keeping my $16/month in my pocket for the time being. Is that proof enough? Really - as a past player wanting to get back into the game, this is ridiculous. Grow up, guys.
Uh huh. So, by reading something you choose to read, something you could easily just ignore, by either clicking ignore on the person posting, or simply NOT read it - this has caused you enough distress to not play. Discussing and arguing BBS policies has you upset enough to not play. Yes, I'm absolutely convinced that's the reason. Good one.
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Uh huh. So, by reading something you choose to read, something you could easily just ignore, by either clicking ignore on the person posting, or simply NOT read it - this has caused you enough distress to not play. Discussing and arguing BBS policies has you upset enough to not play. Yes, I'm absolutely convinced that's the reason. Good one.
The bbs is a representation of Aces High, Hitech Creations and the what I would perceive to experience in the game. Please continue your patronizing replies if you must. You're hammering down my point. Why would I want to experience this cess pool in a game I pay to play?
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I have in no way patronized you. Trying to incorrectly apply words such as that just makes you look desperate with your argument. So, by your logic, the thing that is keeping you from playing is the BBS arguments of late. They really just started getting bad in recent weeks. What kept you from subscribing before that, when everything was hunky dory, and on a dull roar here so far as dissent on the BBS goes? Answer that if you would. Did you anticipate more "cesspool" arguments happening in the future, and did that keep you from pulling the trigger on re subscribing? You're just using the fact that you don't subscribe as a convenient excuse IMO to fit your argument, as you should have subscribed by your own reasons when the BBS was quelled of all negative waves during periods of time.
Let me guess - your next contention is that the BBS has been SO bad for such a long period of time, you just couldn't possibly subscribe and play, because some of that might spill over into the game itself.
Tell you what - I'll pay for your sub for 3 months tomorrow, I'll call it into HTC whenever you like. You can then come back and report how talk in the game, on channels you yourself have to actually tune into (ie choice), and how much what's said there runs concurrent with all the negativity of the forums, and post screen shots and the like to prove it. You see, the hole in your argument is the same as here - in game it's a choice to listen to 99% of the "negative" stuff - you can simply tune most of it out, and be at peace if that's your thing.
I suppose the other way to go is Skuzzy PNG's the reaming few people even talking about this, as most of those arguing about it (not me I never even posted in the 12 hour thread, I don't even use my account right now, and could care less about side switching) are already gone. So, by your statements, what's been keeping you "out" will be gone. You should have your credit card ready for tomorrow right, if all the "dissent", and the "cesspool" is gone, right? How do I somehow doubt it.
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Why would I want to experience this cess pool in a game I pay to play?
Cos the BBS isn't part of the game you pay to play? It's just for discussing the game you pay to play. You don't pay to discuss the game you pay to play and don't have to play the game you wouldn't be paying to play in order to discuss it. You don't even have to come near this BBS if you just want to play, paying or not. er...
I think I've gone cross eyed....
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Standards of conduct are established by businesses all the time. Our grocery store doesn't let vegetarians form picket lines in the meat department. Bars have bouncers for a reason. Protests are legal on public property in the USA, not private property such as this bbs. If the dollar drove all business policy then businesses would always be defined by the lowest common denominator of conduct. Its a rediculous argument: "I'm free to act anyway I want because I've paid $15. I bought a coke so now I can picket the meat department." That dog won't hunt :rolleyes:
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As a 13 yr. subscriber, my .02 cents:
I love the game, 99% of the online players and the various options available for WW2 & WW1 combat.
I have no dog in the hunt as per the 12 hr side switch rule. I fly Bishops EDT morning time and often fly with a high ENY. At some point in time I might opt for the low ENY country. If so, I realize I'll be contained in such country for 12 hrs, End of the world? No. Those are the current parameters. It's MY choice to switch sides and accept the consequences.
As for those of you who oppose the 12 hr. limitation...I've read most of the compelling arguments, watched the BBS go into a recent tailspin, and am aware of the plethora of PNG's.
Here's what it boils down to folks (IMHO)...every time Hitech or Skuzzy cease work on game development, so as to chime in on rule infringements, rebuttals & explanations, etc., they cease to expend time on development.
Please allow them to do what they do best and move the game FORWARD. The 12 hr. rule has been beaten to death.
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I agree with that sentiment, I've said as much in former posts if you go back in this thread and read them. What I also believe is it's HTC's choice to take that time and respond/moderate the complaints.
Do you think this is the last issue that there will ever be complaints about, and if it's "stopped" as you ask, all of a sudden HT will now no longer have to waste any time moderating? Unlikely, or more accurately, impossible. So, where is the ball - whose court is it in so far as choosing to spend time here or not? Which would be more likely, or even more possible, in your assessment - the ceasing of complaints, or the ceasing of spending so much time being concerned with them?
I too have no dog in the hunt regarding the 12 hour rule, I could really care less about it. What I do care about is the policies and their application so far as the bbs is concerned, as I've seen many, MANY players get angry over bbs trivium and being suspended or PNG'd, leave the game, or at least threaten to, which has a ripple effect worse than that person just silently leaving. That and the time spent actually moderating these people - I agree, it's a waste of HTC's time. It will NEVER go away. There will always be a new 12 hour rule debate over something else. The only people that can change what's going on is HTC IMO, as trying to constantly moderate or PNG people saying things that you don't like is like playing an eternal game of wack a mole.
Either way, good post Max, salute to another old timer here.
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Somewhere along the line some folks have been raised and cultivated a different standard to evaluate things than I.
I'm an old duff. All of this is an easy choice for me.
For any who thinks their $15 a month entitles them to call the shots, take that to the street an make hay with it.
HTC has shown more patience than I could have ever summoned up.
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For any who thinks their $15 a month entitles them to call the shots, take that to the street an make hay with it.
And the trouble with that common argument put forward by many, is the people you are referring to don't actually think, or act, as though their subscription contribution entitles them to make policy. The argument is IMO how they should be treated when they act out, if they should be heard, and not punished for words and actions regarding that. Some critical posts, a few avatars and signatures - how exactly is that "calling the shots". It's a campaign for change, not a gun to the head demanding changes based on being one of thousands of others. Again, IMO every customer is a commodity, and even if kid gloves are required when dealing with the troublesome ones, actually removing them from a critical part of your business over bbs trivium, and risking losing them, is something I just don't understand.
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:salute Gman
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...And it continues. Thank you for your generous offer to pay for my subscription for 3 months, but I will decline.
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Standards of conduct are established by businesses all the time. Our grocery store doesn't let vegetarians form picket lines in the meat department. Bars have bouncers for a reason. Protests are legal on public property in the USA, not private property such as this bbs. If the dollar drove all business policy then businesses would always be defined by the lowest common denominator of conduct. Its a rediculous argument: "I'm free to act anyway I want because I've paid $15. I bought a coke so now I can picket the meat department."
Hey Shores.
I would answer your example with one of my own: Regarding the bouncer analogy, this is my opinion (I also did that job through school at the biggest rock bar in my country, over 1500 capacity). A customer yelling at the band from his table or the crowd "you suck!", while he's sitting there buying drinks for 4 people yet doing nothing else other than occasionally yelling his displeasure at the band - should I go over and crack him the head, and toss him and the other 4 people in his party out, while they're still pouring money into the business, and causing no damage whatsoever, even if other customers sometimes look over and take note of his stupid yelling? No. I leave him be. If he gets up and chucks a beer bottle at somebody's head, starts a fight, pulls a weapon - anything that actually will have a negative impact on the business - one that outweighs his financial contributions or puts the company or other customers in actual danger - well, obviously he's going out the door. I equate the first part, the yelling, to the complaining on the bbs. I equate the second, the violent destructive action, to something like actively making cheats or trying to hack the bbs, something along those lines.
I guess our disagreement lies with the interpretation of what is, and what isn't cause for punishment, in terms of the standards of conduct as you said. Punishment by HTC over posts in the form of suspensions and PNG's, regardless of what the person has said, often ends up with an angry customer. Skuzzy has said so here before - the inevitable angry pm, email, followed by angry phone call, and then threat of cancellation. It's regular like clockwork. And I'll bet it's graph over the years at HTC shows it's a fairly constant thing. We see suspensions and PNG's now weekly, sometimes daily. All these years, yet the same thing is happening, over and over, on the bbs. Doing the same thing repeatedly and expecting a different result, but not getting one - this defines insanity. Does anyone here think that the complaints, suspensions, and PNG's will someday just stop, and all will be well? Even with a new version coming out, which IMO usually quells dissent, is only a temporary thing, and soon enough the complaints will start once the newness wears off.
I respect your position and the way you put it, either way Shores. Be well.
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Hmmmm......now, if I were a bar owner and 1499 people were trying to enjoy the band I'd paid good money for and some loud mouthed pillock could be heard shouting abuse, I'd politely ask him to STFU. Then if he didn't I'd politely ask him to leave. Then I'd politely call him an ambulance shortly after muttering to a bouncer "seekum".
Just disagreeing with your analogy though.
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A better analogy with the BBS might be the guy is heckling from the bathroom.
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I'll only speak from personal experience.
There have been several times over the years I've nearly cancelled my account over BB's incidents with other players. In the end after cooling off I decided to stay.
I got banned from the BB's once several years ago (deservedly) but that was the beginning of the end of the game for me. While I've never cancelled my account I took a long break and never got back to playing regularly again, and over time since then my play time has continued to diminish.
Both sides; the player base and the management can cause people to leave.
What I saw recently on the BB's was the Internet equivalent of mob rules mentality. If the mob didn't expect the authorities to step in to restore peace and order they were severley mistaken. Some who were belittled by the mob will inevitably leave the game as will some of the mob who felt their right to protest was violated.
As a paying customer, if I went into a local store and started chasing away their other customers I'd be thrown out. Just because I'm a paying customer doesn't give me a right to ruin their business. If you don't believe this go try it.
I find it hardest to understand why people can't just be at least civil to one another. I blame it on their parents for not teaching them the basics of societal interaction, regardless of their current age.
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What I saw recently on the BB's was the Internet equivalent of mob rules mentality. If the mob didn't expect the authorities to step in to restore peace and order they were severley mistaken. Some who were belittled by the mob will inevitably leave the game as will some of the mob who felt their right to protest was violated.
Who was belittled by "the mob"? :huh
You are completely making up campfire stories. Can you post a quote?
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I'll only speak from personal experience.
There have been several times over the years I've nearly cancelled my account over BB's incidents with other players. In the end after cooling off I decided to stay.
I got banned from the BB's once several years ago (deservedly) but that was the beginning of the end of the game for me. While I've never cancelled my account I took a long break and never got back to playing regularly again, and over time since then my play time has continued to diminish.
Both sides; the player base and the management can cause people to leave.
What I saw recently on the BB's was the Internet equivalent of mob rules mentality. If the mob didn't expect the authorities to step in to restore peace and order they were severley mistaken. Some who were belittled by the mob will inevitably leave the game as will some of the mob who felt their right to protest was violated.
As a paying customer, if I went into a local store and started chasing away their other customers I'd be thrown out. Just because I'm a paying customer doesn't give me a right to ruin their business. If you don't believe this go try it.
I find it hardest to understand why people can't just be at least civil to one another. I blame it on their parents for not teaching them the basics of societal interaction, regardless of their current age.
I see this theme over and over about resent bbs problems.. Everyone credits the happenings of late to folk not being 'civil' or 'mob ruled' post... The facts just don't support these claims.. This is in fact NOT why people were recently banned/PNG'd.
edit: opps.. I think I just unknowingly made a mob post...
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The fact that this thread was made to make the rules clearer than they already are, and yet people still found a way to get whacked with a rule violation (In this very thread) shows just how far we've come as a community.
Way to go guys, you're really reaching.
(26 edited posts by Skuzzy/HiTech in this thread alone.)
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People have different standards as we've seen in this thread. I'm sure that all of us usually behave correctly by our own standards. We all know the other guy is wrong. :D
Agreement is unlikely.
It's Hitech's game. :aok
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And the trouble with that common argument put forward by many, is the people you are referring to don't actually think, or act, as though their subscription contribution entitles them to make policy. The argument is IMO how they should be treated when they act out, if they should be heard, and not punished for words and actions regarding that. Some critical posts, a few avatars and signatures - how exactly is that "calling the shots". It's a campaign for change, not a gun to the head demanding changes based on being one of thousands of others. Again, IMO every customer is a commodity, and even if kid gloves are required when dealing with the troublesome ones, actually removing them from a critical part of your business over bbs trivium, and risking losing them, is something I just don't understand.
Respectfully I have to disagree.
They were handled with kid gloves. As HTC as stated. As is the meaning of kid gloves as you are putting it here to mean.. they were asked nicely to discontinue what the HTC said was the offending behavior. When they did not comply, the gloves came off. That is the point of wearing kid gloves first right? To let the kid know you are being nice but that there is, in fact a big ole meaty hand simply wrapped up in that nice soft glove.
Unless you are using the term kid gloves to imply there is not solid structure behind the soft exterior of the glove. Point being.. if your going to treat someone with compassion or caring you are still trying to influence their behavior to get the result you are looking for. If they are unwilling to to change their behavior then, at some point, the gloves come off. Correct?
As you stated in your post here
Regarding the bouncer analogy, this is my opinion (I also did that job through school at the biggest rock bar in my country, over 1500 capacity). A customer yelling at the band from his table or the crowd "you suck!", while he's sitting there buying drinks for 4 people yet doing nothing else other than occasionally yelling his displeasure at the band - should I go over and crack him the head, and toss him and the other 4 people in his party out, while they're still pouring money into the business, and causing no damage whatsoever, even if other customers sometimes look over and take note of his stupid yelling? No. I leave him be.
You would not do anything to the guy yelling until he did x,y or z. (X,y or z being whatever you (as the venue representative) had predetermined to be the point at which to take the gloves off. As you stated here
If he gets up and chucks a beer bottle at somebody's head, starts a fight, pulls a weapon - anything that actually will have a negative impact on the business - one that outweighs his financial contributions or puts the company or other customers in actual danger - well, obviously he's going out the door.
Once he did x,y or z you then, had to intervene without the gloves on. That's not something you wanted to do but it was something you had to do.
Here is the kicker to the problem - Chances are, the guy you treated without gloves on did not agree with you and thought those behaviors should be allowed. He either thought those actions should be acceptable or did them knowing full well that there would be consequences for his actions. (This sounds oddly like the title of the thread)
Here is where I think the disconnect is between HTCs actions and what some think. As you said
I equate the first part, the yelling, to the complaining on the bbs.
While you (in this case, a customer in the venue) equate the first part, the yelling, to the complaining on the bbs does not mean that HTC does.
I equate the second, the violent destructive action, to something like actively making cheats or trying to hack the bbs, something along those lines.
It's a BBS in this case and not a venue where folks can actually throw bottles, pull knifes or what not. Obviously, HTC does see some actions on the BBS as things that can, that actually will have a negative impact on the business - ones that outweighs a players financial contributions.
If a player can't do as HTC has asked or they even escalate the situation on the BBS or in game, then they are forced to do something they do not want to do. Show that person the door. They have stated they do not like doing it. Just the same as you did not like having to do it in your job as a bouncer.
It's another case of what some equate as acceptable behavior from their point of view as the customer not translating to the owners view of what is acceptable behavior.
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See rule 4
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I think this sums it up...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBJ3B8iqHp8
move along chaps <S>
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see rule 4
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The opposing view to this is that the customer IS the company and playground. No customer, no playground, and then no company. Every single customer is part of the playground, and every customer's opinion matters, even if it's contrary to what the company thinks.
Expressing that opinion, through words, avatars, whatever - what damage does that actually do to the company. I would love to see proof of one new player coming here, reading something such as this current flap, and then saying "no way I'm trying this game, there's dissent on the bbs!". Balance the incredibly slim likelihood of that ever happening against crossing swords with numerous regular long time players - I just don't see how it adds up.
Star Citizen is a good example - their bbs is like World War 3 compared to here. They brought in this little sum of money, I believe it was around 20 million dollars, for a game that doesn't even EXIST yet- 500$ of which is from me. The insanity of their bbs didn't hold me back for an instant - nor did it for the others who put in the other 19,999,500 dollars.
Edit - All of this should at the very least give you some good ammunition for a few decent cartoons Fugi. I early am awaiting some good laughs, so please bring it.
Your defining the incident from only one side. "By the owner pushing away subscriptions he is losing money". The other side is if he didn't do anything how many people would have left on their own? Whether you believe those hit were right or wrong is irrelevant, the owner see's it as a problem and has acted to solve it. Whether you agree with the owners solution or not is again irrelevant, it IS his playground/company. Like Hitechs analogy, you would certainly be asked to leave if you were walking up and down the rows of a restaurant holding up a sign about an issue with that restaurant. To use your analogy of the bouncer, If I was in that bar with 10 of my friends.....I think I could get 10 together.... and we were annoyed with said big mouth that YOU let mouth off to the band and left you saved the bar drink from 4 but lost drinks from 11.... good job!
You asked for "proof" how what happens on the BBS effects subscriptions to the game. DaddieDrax provided that proof for you. Whether you think he is basing his decision on relevant facts or not is again irrelevant. It is the only interaction with the game he has right now.... as many other people ..... and it is what he must base his choice off of. You and I know there is so much more in the game that has nothing to do with the BBS, but it IS the front row view of the game along with the web page. Are you going to pay 3 months subscriptions for everyone so that they can get a real idea of what goes on in the game? If not, HTC should be all over these boards making it as customer friendly as possible to help entice as many people to try the game as they can.
Some people kept "poking the bear" in his own yard and now they are surprised/pissed that the bear slapped back. I guess some people are just slow learners.
As for a cartoon..... how would you put all this into a cartoon??? :eek:
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(http://s11.postimg.org/iwbt0hkqn/train.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/iwbt0hkqn/)
:rofl
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I've read all the responses. It would take to long to respond to them all right now, and suffice it to say, like most things, it's nearly impossible to convince one side that the other's position is right. That's a pretty common theme in the world today, just look at any news channel, and that's pretty much all we see.
I do respect everybody's positions, even if I don't agree with them. I also don't equate that position with them personally, nearly everybody in here, no matter what side they are on, I respect, and will listen to. Nearly everybody. Attacking the argument, not the person, is something most here have stuck with, hence only a fraction of the posts getting deleted from the past couple of days.
Fugitive - are you SERIOUS?!? You can't think of what to draw? Come ON! Don't make me send you some pm's, because I have several in my head (I can't draw a circle or straight line) that if I was you, would bring the house down.
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I see this theme over and over about resent bbs problems.. Everyone credits the happenings of late to folk not being 'civil' or 'mob ruled' post... The facts just don't support these claims.. This is in fact NOT why people were recently banned/PNG'd.
edit: opps.. I think I just unknowingly made a mob post...
The facts do support the claims.
Several posts on the 12 hour rule were locked and just as soon as one was locked another was opened only to be locked itself.
Threads were being hijacked with 12 hour rule comments regardless what the thread was about and people with opposing views were, if fact, being ridiculed or their views belittled.
I don't have a dog in this hunt as I could care less what the time switch rule is but I'm not stupid enough not to see that there was an organized campaign intended to get HT to cave on the issue.
I didn't see the avatars but that's just a subtle means of pushing the envelope to continue the campaign. "Who? Me? I didn't do anything wrong." while the chocolate from the cookies is smeared across your face.
Kindergarten indeed.
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BaldEagl gets it.
Gman's getting it.
However, I still think any response that HTC wishes to give to any question posed by a customer (and is obviously considered by many other customers) should be answered in an official manner, not with a post buried in a multi page thread of the usual kinda tripe that gets posted on the internet. There is an announcements forum, it doesn't get used anywhere near enough. Once upon a time in the distant past, we had an official Q&A forum where HTs thoughts on a myriad of subjects could forever be found. One would think, when it went, the number of hits on the forum search function went up considerably.
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Fugitive - are you SERIOUS?!? You can't think of what to draw? Come ON! Don't make me send you some pm's, because I have several in my head (I can't draw a circle or straight line) that if I was you, would bring the house down.
Send them along! I'm always looking for an idea or two.
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INearly everybody. Attacking the argument, not the person, is something most here have stuck with, hence only a fraction of the posts getting deleted from the past couple of days.
The only reason this thread has staid reasonably on track is only becase i have been monitoring it very heavily and quickly. Had I not been it would have turned into another crusade by the same people who were part of the initial problem. And dissolved into name calling.
There have been post in this thread that were intentioally trying to take this thread off topic and only purpose was to bait me. Now had I not done any thing this would have been used too continue the crusade. Hence we were well past the hekler stage per your analogy. So here you are thanking the people who remained on topic but continue to critics the very methods that allowed this discussion to take place.
While the idea that your trying to put forth is correct your implemtation of the axiom does not fit the facts.
HiTech
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There have been post in this thread that were intentioally trying to take this thread off topic and only purpose was to bait me.
Understood. I saw the moderation in the earlier part of the thread, and understand that, but as I specifically said, in the last day or two, the only person I saw get anything deleted since I started blabbing was Copprhead today. That's all I was referencing with that, I think everyone who replied to what I've written stayed within the rules on the last few pages, and on topic. That's just my opinion. No purse fights, no insults thrown, just respectful discourse.
What I will say is with regards to this specifically - why do you care if people are trying to bait you here. It's certainly not the first time it's happened, nor will it be the last. Like I said before, it's an absolute certainty that complaints and things like this latest 12 hour flap - again something I don't ever care about - will always happen. If the BBS is truly only used by such a small fraction of the player base, why let yourself BE baited, and spend SO much time dealing with it. I'm not arguing about this being your house, or even that you're wrong per se with regards to moderating. What I'm saying is the time, effort, and concern put into these trivial bbs arguments, and that's what they really amount to, trivium, is by far and away imbalanced with the possible positive effects it could have.
I will stand pat with that, I respect HTC enough to know that me even arguing this is hypocritical enough with regards to wasting their time. Part of me wishes that until the next version was out, that the BBS would just be shut down, as this sort of thing is never going to end. If you charted it on a graph, it would be a pretty even line with occasional peaks like recently, but it would never have a plummeting line to the bottom of the chart. I've stayed out of those arguments, even the recent 12 hour one. In 15 years I have less than 1500 posts, I've kept my ears open, and my mouth shut, until yesterday at least. This is just what I've observed from reading here nearly every day.
I'm sticking around, and have stuck around the last few years, despite rarely using my account, because I'm certain what's coming is going to be worth it. The time that was wasted by this 12 hour flap, and I do include myself as being party to it at the end - I guess I just see it as bad business I suppose. Again, I realize it isn't my or any other customers business, but that doesn't change the facts that the time spent dealing with this is forfeit with respects to advancing what's coming next.
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Understood. I saw the moderation in the earlier part of the thread, and understand that, but as I specifically said, in the last day or two, the only person I saw get anything deleted since I started blabbing was Copprhead today. That's all I was referencing with that, I think everyone who replied to what I've written stayed within the rules on the last few pages, and on topic. That's just my opinion.
What I will say is with regards to this specifically - why do you care if people are trying to bait you here. It's certainly not the first time it's happened, nor will it be the last. Like I said before, it's an absolute certainty that complaints and things like this latest 12 hour flap - again something I don't ever care about - will always happen. If the BBS is truly only used by such a small fraction of the player base, why let yourself BE baited, and spend SO much time dealing with it. I'm not arguing about this being your house, or even that you're wrong per se with regards to moderating. What I'm saying is the time, effort, and concern put into these trivial bbs arguments, and that's what they really amount to, trivium, is by far and away imbalanced with the possible positive effects it could have.
I will stand pat with that, I respect HTC enough to know that me even arguing this is hypocritical enough with regards to wasting their time. Part of me wishes that until the next version was out, that the BBS would just be shut down, as this sort of thing is never going to end. If you charted it on a graph, it would be a pretty even line with occasional peaks like recently, but it would never have a plummeting line to the bottom of the chart. I've stayed out of those arguments, even the recent 12 hour one. In 15 years I have less than 1500 posts, I've kept my ears open, and my mouth shut, until yesterday at least. This is just what I've observed from reading here nearly every day.
It reflects on the game itself, in a way, at least from a community standpoint. If HTC can't control what happens on the BBS, then as a new player, they might think "then how do they tolerate/deal with people in the game, if at all?" And the Forums are the direct image of the community in the game, whether they are "5%" or "more" of the in-game community. So how people act here, are how they will act in game. Which, as a new player, I would ask "Is this worth risking $15+ to be treated in this manner?"
Like I said before, this is a direct image of the community, and it would be nice if the community took care of HTC by not purse fighting, and nagging on topics, and would respect the rules of HTC. Since HTC has taken care of us all this time, I think the community as a whole owes HTC to do the same and uphold the integrity of HTC's image.
As a personal side note, when I first started playing Aces High I was a squeaker at 13, if I'd seen these boards back then (didn't know of them until 2 years ago), I can't guarantee I would've played. (Or if my parents would've allowed me to).
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As a personal side note, when I first started playing Aces High I was a squeaker at 13, if I'd seen these boards back then (didn't know of them until 2 years ago), I can't guarantee I would've played. (Or if my parents would've allowed me to).
I'll respond to that, and then I promise to sthu.
The boards are what they are. Nothing ever has changed, despite the continuous moderation. Back then, or now, there has, and always will be, complaints and ripples in the pond like the 12 hour rule debacle. This is my point. You can say "oh em gee, the boards are awful, good thing HTC is moderating it, I agree, those guys are all tards and dweebs and should be png'd, hurray, now everything should be smooth sailing". Well, guess what, it won't be. There is a list as long as you block of people that have been PNG'd over the years, and the future will yield just another long list. The effect you're telling me about, the one that would "keep you here", or "not have discouraged you from joining" - it doesn't exist, and that's the simple reality. It just hasn't, and can't, happen. You even said it yourself in your post - the boards back then - well, they are no different now. So, the net effect they could have had on you, or another new player joining, or not, is nil. Honestly, with free access to the bbs for anyone, what is the difference I ask regarding viewing it from the perspective of a new player, when they see either a bunch of "#rule4" posts, with "moderated by xxx" at the bottom, as opposed to what was actually said there. New player sees the edited post, and the effect is the same, even arguably worse.
I'm not saying I have the answer I don't, and when HTC refers to the damned if they do or don't, I think this entire thing sums it up better than anything else. I don't envy their position, I can tell you that for nothing.
Anyhow, I remember when you first came around Tinkles, your posts IMO have come a long way, and I respect what you're saying. Be well.
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I agree with Grizz that something needs to be done about the side switch rule. I hope that a change will be implemented. That said, I understand Hitech's position on the bbs matter. I hope that he and Grizz can come to a resolution and get on with the game. I think this community is better off with Grizz in it than the community without him.
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<snip>Even those get respect who vulch in the koth toc, if they do it with a smile on their face. <bitter sigh> "kneel down" lol
Only wasted my time on the first page but where the heck did this come from.
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Hey Shores.
I would answer your example with one of my own: Regarding the bouncer analogy, this is my opinion (I also did that job through school at the biggest rock bar in my country, over 1500 capacity). A customer yelling at the band from his table or the crowd "you suck!", while he's sitting there buying drinks for 4 people yet doing nothing else other than occasionally yelling his displeasure at the band - should I go over and crack him the head, and toss him and the other 4 people in his party out, while they're still pouring money into the business, and causing no damage whatsoever, even if other customers sometimes look over and take note of his stupid yelling? No. I leave him be. If he gets up and chucks a beer bottle at somebody's head, starts a fight, pulls a weapon - anything that actually will have a negative impact on the business - one that outweighs his financial contributions or puts the company or other customers in actual danger - well, obviously he's going out the door. I equate the first part, the yelling, to the complaining on the bbs. I equate the second, the violent destructive action, to something like actively making cheats or trying to hack the bbs, something along those lines.
I don't know where you drink, Gman, but I try to avoid bars with chicken wire protecting the band ;)
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You do not know what hell looks like until you've been in AH gulag.
After several years of being forced into repetitive work (we were told it was for "the betterment of the community") like bombing cities, making goon runs, and driving vehicles around for hours on end, One learns to to recognize the authority of HTC very quickly...
Imprisoned alongside such other Aces High vagrants as RAM, TOWD, and ALENBLOOD was no laughing matter.
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RAM..Towd. I remember Torque driving Towd to the point of insanity, or past it.
Ram - remember all that about his sisters? That and the 190s "ripping wings" too often for him - those were the days.
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You do not know what hell looks like until you've been in AH gulag.
After several years of being forced into repetitive work (we were told it was for "the betterment of the community") like bombing cities, making goon runs, and driving vehicles around for hours on end, One learns to to recognize the authority of HTC very quickly...
Imprisoned alongside such other Aces High vagrants as RAM, TOWD, and ALENBLOOD was no laughing matter.
Just figured you would get the joke and no one else would. I understand your point. :)
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I'll respond to that, and then I promise to sthu.
The boards are what they are. Nothing ever has changed, despite the continuous moderation.
Further to that point... boards have been what they are since the day of the local dial-up BBS's on 2400baud modems over 30 years ago.
Several points from all the posting to sum up what I've read - a lot of stuff has been moderated by hitech, so I'm trying to grasp to what the actual issue is.
1. Several forum members were complaining that the 12 hour time limit to switch was unfair and started protesting publicly by having something about it in their forum signature. (am I on the mark here hitech?)
2. Some were also quite vocal about their displeasure that HTC wasn't going to change a side switching rule as it's been a best practice for online warsims since..well..forever.
3. This topic thread was started by Skuzzy to explain why they moderated the forum and asked several to edit their signature.
4. Some were vocal on their displeasure of this whole issue? (Hence the forum moderation we see).
5. A few veteran players have left the game over this issue...(I'm guessing on this)
For me, I'm with Gman on this... and some of this is just common sense and business sense. HTC is owned by several private individuals who run the company with the best intentions. I'm sure Dale didn't go "Gee, lets see how I can pizz off a bunch of players this week...lets see... ok. You. Let me pounce on your head."
Am I missing something here, cause if people don't like rules, then call up Dale, Doug, or Roy and have a conversation about it. Being a Keyboard General isn't going to get your point across.
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Further to that point... boards have been what they are since the day of the local dial-up BBS's on 2400baud modems over 30 years ago.
Several points from all the posting to sum up what I've read - a lot of stuff has been moderated by hitech, so I'm trying to grasp to what the actual issue is.
1. Several forum members were complaining that the 12 hour time limit to switch was unfair and started protesting publicly by having something about it in their forum signature. (am I on the mark here hitech?)
2. Some were also quite vocal about their displeasure that HTC wasn't going to change a side switching rule as it's been a best practice for online warsims since..well..forever.
3. This topic thread was started by Skuzzy to explain why they moderated the forum and asked several to edit their signature.
4. Some were vocal on their displeasure of this whole issue? (Hence the forum moderation we see).
5. A few veteran players have left the game over this issue...(I'm guessing on this)
For me, I'm with Gman on this... and some of this is just common sense and business sense. HTC is owned by several private individuals who run the company with the best intentions. I'm sure Dale didn't go "Gee, lets see how I can pizz off a bunch of players this week...lets see... ok. You. Let me pounce on your head."
Am I missing something here, cause if people don't like rules, then call up Dale, Doug, or Roy and have a conversation about it. Being a Keyboard General isn't going to get your point across.
I would say so. People crossed the line, broke the rules and then are surprised that HTC did something about it. Whether or not they knew it was a violation of the rules or not, is irrelevant now. The punishments have been handed out, so why bother having more BBS accounts getting PNG'd, over something that is already over with.
Now everyone knows that doing that/using those images are unacceptable, so learn from someone else's mistake (whether you agree with it or not is a different matter, and convincing someone that they are wrong.. when they are the CEO, is quite pointless when the 'victim' violated the rules, blatant or not).
So pretty much after the sentencing was dealt out, everything else because a mute point. Because no matter how much you kick or scream the punishment was dealt out, so accept it and move on.. and don't make the same mistake that the other person did!
Note: Not talking to you Mister Fork, just copied your quote because I think it is relevant/I agree with it. :salute
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I dislike the 12 hour rule, but HTC has made their position very, very clear and that is that. No use talking about it anymore. While it very slightly affects my desire to play the game, it is not one of the things that caused me to sharply reduce my play time in AH. Those were general burnout, which as HiTech has noted many times over the years is something that simply happens with any player of any game and isn't indicative of a failure of the game, and the insistence of a small number of vocal players to insist on pushing their simplistic bumper sticker politics on their fellow players and I simply didn't need to hear what a scummy traitor I was every time I logged in simply because of some minor political differences.
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off topic, but this is better than reading a book :salute
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Cos the BBS isn't part of the game you pay to play? It's just for discussing the game you pay to play. You don't pay to discuss the game you pay to play and don't have to play the game you wouldn't be paying to play in order to discuss it. You don't even have to come near this BBS if you just want to play, paying or not. er...
I think I've gone cross eyed....
:O my eyes are bleeding--but swoop is right--sir play the game ' you don't have to read the bbs, there a lot of cool people in this game in all 3 countries...
don't let what you read on these boards keep you from playing a great game. :salute
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The facts do support the claims.
Several posts on the 12 hour rule were locked and just as soon as one was locked another was opened only to be locked itself.
Threads were being hijacked with 12 hour rule comments regardless what the thread was about and people with opposing views were, if fact, being ridiculed or their views belittled.
I don't have a dog in this hunt as I could care less what the time switch rule is but I'm not stupid enough not to see that there was an organized campaign intended to get HT to cave on the issue.
I didn't see the avatars but that's just a subtle means of pushing the envelope to continue the campaign. "Who? Me? I didn't do anything wrong." while the chocolate from the cookies is smeared across your face.
Kindergarten indeed.
When you post:
"What I saw recently on the BB's was the Internet equivalent of mob rules mentality. If the mob didn't expect the authorities to step in to restore peace and order they were severley mistaken. Some who were belittled by the mob will inevitably leave the game as will some of the mob who felt their right to protest was violated."
I do not agree with your facts as you see them.. Maybe you can post an example? Unless you feel HTC felt belittled by the mob. Which would be strange..
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RAM..Towd. I remember Torque driving Towd to the point of insanity, or past it.
Ram - remember all that about his sisters? That and the 190s "ripping wings" too often for him - those were the days.
My fav from RAM: "You are a stupido peoples"
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I dislike the 12 hour rule, but HTC has made their position very, very clear and that is that. No use talking about it anymore. While it very slightly affects my desire to play the game, it is not one of the things that caused me to sharply reduce my play time in AH.
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RAM..Towd. I remember Torque driving Towd to the point of insanity, or past it.
Ram - remember all that about his sisters? That and the 190s "ripping wings" too often for him - those were the days.
LOL, yes they were the days! So many hardcore Luftwheenies back then, hristo, fishu, and the whole 9./JG 54 crew. StSanta was a classy guy.
back when Leviathn was "Calamari" and we flew Tiffies around, before they nerfed the roll rate. I remember the first night we winged up together in what would become a perfect duo.
Animal and Glasses trolling the arena.
Early AH arena combat was just a perfect combination of a arena size, tight player base, and flight modeling. I remember when the 190A8 could hold its own on the deck against most anything. Seemed easier to capitalize on overshoots back then, planes bled E faster. I kinda liked that (not that it was more accurate).
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LOL, yes they were the days! So many hardcore Luftwheenies back then, hristo, fishu, and the whole 9./JG 54 crew. StSanta was a classy guy.
back when Leviathn was "Calamari" and we flew Tiffies around, before they nerfed the roll rate. I remember the first night we winged up together in what would become a perfect duo.
Animal and Glasses trolling the arena.
Early AH arena combat was just a perfect combination of a arena size, tight player base, and flight modeling. I remember when the 190A8 could hold its own on the deck against most anything. Seemed easier to capitalize on overshoots back then, planes bled E faster. I kinda liked that (not that it was more accurate).
Tiffies with a proper roll rate, sounds almost erotic :old:
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How so? I was responding to a comment and you didn't Rule 2 that. :noid
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This is getting out of hand. There is no topic to discuss here. Either follow HTCs rules or run the risk of getting PNGed. Instead of all this nonsense this thread should have been locked after the first post and stickied.
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Same as it ever was...
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i guess the point of this thread is how NOT to act on the BBS.... or get ruled or PNG'd. I agree with larry, this thread should be locked.
people are not smart enough to know when they are tap dancing in a minefield and the explosions are out of hand at this point. The good news is there wont be any mines left after this is all over...
the wreckage, on the other hand, could be quite severe....
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i guess the point of this thread is how NOT to act on the BBS.... or get ruled or PNG'd. I agree with larry, this thread should be locked.
people are not smart enough to know when they are tap dancing in a minefield and the explosions are out of hand at this point. The good news is there wont be any mines left after this is all over...
the wreckage, on the other hand, could be quite severe....
I would agree with you in the 12 hour rule, but not in this thread. Please quote one part of a single post I made that broke a single rule of this BBS. What, you aren't allowed to discuss the rules according to you? If anything, you're the one violating rules IMO, by back seat moderating, but that isn't up to me, which is the entire point.
The good news is there won't be any mines left - that's your contention? Interesting. So according to you, if Skuzzy or Dale were to PNG people for merely discussing rules and their application, the discontent on the bbs would be forever quelled? Excellent! I'll gladly accept my first ever ban or PNG in 15 years of being here, if it would magically make the bbs a better world, and forever end the complaints threads. That should work, fantastic plan.
As I have said, several times, the complaint threads and the fallout from them will NEVER end, which is why the way HTC deals with it is a critical issue. Also, as I've said, I don't really have the answer, and believe that HTC's stated fact that they are often damned if they do, damned if the don't, is pretty much where this always ends up. That doesn't mean that you can't talk about it civilly, particularly when HTC itself STARTS the thread, and doesn't just sticky it - obviously they were expecting some kind of response, and they got it, and other than at the beginning of this thread as HT mentioned, until this last page of jpegs and emoticons being erased, nothing got zapped, not one post of mine, nor any that responded to me. Considering the number of people who were of similar opinion to mine, I could write a list of over 40 who either posted in another private forum agreeing with what I wrote in this thread, or sent me PMs with their similar opinions, it wasn't just one or two people involved. Just having their opinions voiced did a great deal to settle things down, and I said often and loudly that I was sticking around despite having friends PNG'd, disagreeing with some of that, yet still encouraged others to follow suit, and stay. I can prove that by cutting and pasting dozens of posts and PMs if you want. Many others posted opinions, both for, against, and in the middle of the issue - a large majority you can still read in this thread. Again, I ask, what exactly is wrong with that?
I do know one thing - I've not prefaced any points by claiming those that disagree with the position dozens of us have aren't "smart enough" to get it. Personal attacks = weakness, not to mention against the rules.
I find it funny, and very telling that USVI slipped that post in between the other two.
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Gman. Where in my post or jaegers did we say anything about you? I think you should get over yourself sir. This thread was DOA.
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So, you were referring to everyone else but me? Broad statements like "all of this nonsense", and "people" aren't smart enough - who exactly was that about then, and why does that not include me, since I dropped more posts than anyone else in here, by far.
So far as getting over myself - I've always believed that people can make up their own minds. Shutting them down because in your opinion things have "gone long enough" or what they're saying is "nonsense" - who put you in charge again? Both of you are the ones that dragged this off topic by offering opinions other than what was being discussed, yet you recommend that those discussing the issue should be the ones silenced.
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What topic? There is no topic. Either follow the rules that HTC has put into place or not and suffer the consequences. It's as simple as that. That's all I have to say I'm not going to get into a passing match with you. Have a good day sir.
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Larry's avatar turn me on.
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I'll respond to that, as I don't see the problem with back and forth, that's the nature of debate, you and I aren't breaking any rules while doing so.
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What topic? There is no topic. Either follow the rules that HTC has put into place or not and suffer the consequences. It's as simple as that.
It isn't as simple as that, again, one of the larger issues and points. I can snap my fingers and list hundreds of people, many of whom aren't here anymore, but met here, and post regularly elsewhere, who disagree with that statement. There are many here still disagree as well. The rules, and especially their interpretation and application, will always, always be an issue. It's not going to go away. If it was going to, it would have long ago. Specifically discussing this in the place where it all exists - I again ask, what's the problem with that? What you're saying essentially is asking for explanations, clarifications, and then questioning those things, shouldn't be happening?
Larry's avatar turn me on.
Heh, again, another oddity of Murphy's law, that's an RCMP jpeg - My father was an RCMP officer for 35 years, and helped found my nations first national hostage rescue and special operations unit that started with the RCMP, and became our JTF2 when it was taken over from the RCMP by the military.
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Gman,larry, drop it, you have both made personal attacks in your post.
HiTech
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Join Pacific War Scenario and take your anger out in the video game by shooting at each other. :old:
Hitech is awesome
AH is awesome
I have finals to study for.
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Larry's avatar turn me on.
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So, how's the water here?
JUGgler
No one will tell you until you come back and fly.
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God, Grant me the serenity....
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When you post:
"What I saw recently on the BB's was the Internet equivalent of mob rules mentality. If the mob didn't expect the authorities to step in to restore peace and order they were severley mistaken. Some who were belittled by the mob will inevitably leave the game as will some of the mob who felt their right to protest was violated."
I do not agree with your facts as you see them.. Maybe you can post an example? Unless you feel HTC felt belittled by the mob. Which would be strange..
I already read all those threads once and I'm not going to waste my time going through them all again to prove my point. Perhaps you should go read them.
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I could use some of you guys to join the Imperial Japanese Navy and participate in the highly anticipated next big scenario; The Pacific. Leadership positions are available, to include Director of Fighter Operations!
Just think, you can expend all that pent up energy against an ENEMY :rofl
(http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2013/018/d/f/the_imperial_japanese_navy__several_resolutions__by_jpviktorjokinen-d5rvyo9.jpg)
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I fly my RV8 around.
Big deal I fly my RV-6 around. :devil
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Nice, 3 full pages of "see rule xx"
I see we've gotten far :banana:
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Nice, 3 full pages of "see rule xx"
I see we've gotten far :banana:
Welcome back !
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Adoo RB :aok
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http://youtu.be/l-gQLqv9f4o
Respectfully, lots of you all need this.
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Respectfully, lots of you all need this.
And disrespectfully, what do we need?
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Hello friends :^)
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http://youtu.be/l-gQLqv9f4o
Respectfully, lots of you all need this.
(http://i364.photobucket.com/albums/oo82/bzavasnik/whatchoo-willis_zpsfb77765c.jpg)
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Gents, to those of you trying to be purposely disruptive either do not post or post something directly related to the topic.
To those trying to lighting the mood,we appreciate the efforts thanks, but your also being disruptive and not helping.
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Very interesting.
Is there a rule against paying for 3 accounts and using them as one sees fit?
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Gents, to those of you trying to be purposely disruptive either do not post or post something directly related to the topic.
To those trying to lighting the mood,we appreciate the efforts thanks, but your also being disruptive and not helping.
HiTech
How can I help?
Looks as though most of the replies left untouched have nothing to do with the original post.
Please clarify and I will contribute within appropriate protocol.
JUGgler
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The problem is. Lollypops or stickers aren't offered for good behavior.
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If your goal is to reverse the decision then I believe you are conversing with the wrong people and in the wrong way. Support@hitechcreations.com. If this is still a public protest, good luck with that.
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Camp fire stories and unsubstantiated points are both very nice but still do not represent the facts of why members where banned/png'd...
BaldEagle isn't known for "unsubstantiated" points. There are PLENTY of us who "substantiate" his statement. They deserved the PNG's and suspensions, especially due to the fact that they were amply warned ahead of time.
I've even had my first edit, and admit it was deserved.
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BaldEagle isn't known for "unsubstantiated" points. There are PLENTY of us who "substantiate" his statement. They deserved the PNG's and suspensions, especially due to the fact that they were amply warned ahead of time.
I've even had my first edit, and admit it was deserved.
I learned my lesson a while back when I would get too political. Took me a 2 week suspension to understand the lesson.
This thread started with a simple request from Skuzzy: "Please use the bulletin board as it was intended to be used and respect the forum rules." I think "don't be a jerk" applies as well.
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Very interesting.
Is there a rule against paying for 3 accounts and using them as one sees fit?
JUGgler
Can mine be one of the one's you pay for?
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Very interesting.
Is there a rule against paying for 3 accounts and using them as one sees fit?
JUGgler
One, three, a dozen ... if by 'see fit' you mean being disruptive with all of them I bet there is. Just more chances to chase off the less disruptive, easier to get along with customers. What's worse, a single gang member being a nuisance in a bar or a whole gang?
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BaldEagle isn't known for "unsubstantiated" points. There are PLENTY of us who "substantiate" his statement. They deserved the PNG's and suspensions, especially due to the fact that they were amply warned ahead of time.
I've even had my first edit, and admit it was deserved.
Plenty, would you say a plethora?
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Plenty, would you say a plethora?
Plethora is such a negative word...ima go with a jubilee of substantiation.
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Oh yes, you have a plethora.
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A whole lot of something :old:
Dictionary definition: Plethora. noun.
1. A great big ruck of something
2. Loads of it
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I don't think winning Hitech's "rule #" contest here turns out like winning the Kentucky Derby.
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Sure it does. To everyone else on the track, the winner just looks like a horses arse.
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Sure it does. To everyone else on the track, the winner just looks like a horses arse.
Great Post!!!!!!
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Sure it does. To everyone else on the track, the winner just looks like a horses arse.
Could not agree more Brian. :rock
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Sure it does. To everyone else on the track, the winner just looks like a horses arse.
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A whole lot of something :old:
Dictionary definition: Plethora. noun.
1. A great big ruck of something
2. Loads of it
Actually, the answer was a question..."why Guapo?" (ugh...I'm getting old)
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I remember Kindergarten, and when several kids got together and were all saying the same thing, the teacher actually paid attention to it. She may not have given us what we wanted, but she at least acknowledged that we were speaking pretty quickly, if for no other reason than to get us to shut up.
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I remember Kindergarten, and when several kids got together and were all saying the same thing, the teacher actually paid attention to it. She may not have given us what we wanted, but she at least acknowledged that we were speaking pretty quickly, if for no other reason than to get us to shut up.
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Stick a fork in this thread already. As any teacher knows, if they haven't grasped the lesson yet, they need to ask a classmate or go to the library after class for tutoring. Otherwise the consequence is slowing down the curriculum of an entire class of students for that one kid with velcro shoes.
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Otherwise the consequence is slowing down the curriculum of an entire class of students for that one kid with velcro shoes.
QFT.
A couple years ago when I joined Aces High, I had a squaddie recommend me getting a forum account for the express purpose of learning proper BBS etiquette. It has served me well.
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(ugh...I'm getting old)
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Lip balm?
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I learned in Kindergarten that elemenopee was not its own letter but actually five letters, l-m-n-o-p.
That broke on me one day like donzerly light (which I didn't realize until third grade was actually "dawn's early light") and what a day that was.
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I learned in Kindergarten that elemenopee was not its own letter but actually five letters, l-m-n-o-p.
That broke on me one day like donzerly light (which I didn't realize until third grade was actually "dawn's early light") and what a day that was.
After my older brother learned the Lords Prayer as a kid, he was convinced for years hat God was called Harold :rofl
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I learned in Kindergarten that elemenopee was not its own letter but actually five letters, l-m-n-o-p.
That broke on me one day like donzerly light (which I didn't realize until third grade was actually "dawn's early light") and what a day that was.
:)
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Boys have a noodle and girls have a vagina.
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Sounds legit
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Oddly ,some of them simply created a new account(+gamename ofc), which is kinda funny ! :devil
5. A few veteran players have left the game over this issue...(I'm guessing on this)
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Important to discussion? Prob not..but in 1st grade I remember standing around a world globe with two other kids..right after we were told about 'continental drift'..and I looked at them, they looked at me ..and I said 'Looks like north america and south america fit right up to africa.."
They all nodded and we never mentioned it again...
JGroth
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Boys have a noodle and girls have a vagina.
What??? :huh Where'd that come from? :headscratch:
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What??? :huh Where'd that come from? :headscratch:
Kindergarten Cop.
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Kindergarten Cop.
it's not a tumor ( arnie voice)
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I wonder if the HTC boys have marcos set up for all the rules violations, or maybe a bet to see who can rack the most edits up by the end of the month.
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A normal thread would have been locked on page 5.
What was the point in letting this rack up well over 50 rule #'s?
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A normal thread would have been locked on page 5.
What was the point in letting this rack up well over 50 rule #'s?
If they locked this thread, more threads like this one would surface, so I think they are doing 'crowd control' and keeping all the BS/purse fights/ whines in one topic/thread. Far easier to manage.
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If they locked this thread, more threads like this one would surface, so I think they are doing 'crowd control' and keeping all the BS/purse fights/ whines in one topic/thread. Far easier to manage.
IMO the best crowd control would be to let all the repeat offenders sit in the corner a bit longer then they did last time .
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Cooling down period along with a "Honey Pot" to count noses. Keeps the rest of the forums congenial. Kind of hard to pick fights in other posts after showing off your "playing chicken" skills in this one.
rule 16 - Playing Chicken with HTC.
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IMO the best crowd control would be to let all the repeat offenders sit in the corner a bit longer then they did last time .
My thoughts exactly.
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I was rule 4'd for posting a smiley face. :) :)
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Because your smileys suck :^)
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This is the thread that never ends...
Yes, it goes on and on my friends....
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This is the thread that never ends...
Yes, it goes on and on my friends....
Welcome back my friends to the thread that never ends.
So glad you could attend come inside come inside.
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24 pages is never ending?
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Give em enough rope.....
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24 pages is never ending?
Triton.................you're silly ;)
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Triton.................you're silly ;)
<3
:)
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24 pages is never ending?
(http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu88/Gritland/lamb_chop_zpsc39c0797.jpg)
(http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj260/redd_hawk/infinite_thread.jpg)
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When you get to 700 + pages like the one in the Oclub then you can say "goes on forever". :ahand :neener: