California has the most amount of laws intended to stop crimes committed with firearms. California has the most of amount of crimes committed with firearms…
First this isn't a pro-gun or anti-gun rant. Please keep the thread that way. I wanted to talk about media, and more specifically keep you lot of colonial rejects informed about something you're not being told.
So our Prime Minister Cindy has been over in the USA, and at the time of that horrible school shooting the spotlight has come onto her and our gun laws (ban on MSSAs etc) - and how much better NZ is.
Well... right now we have a full on gang war going on in our biggest city (and it seems to be spreading). There are drive by shootings every day, it's been going on for months. It's also obvious that some of the shootings include the use of banned semi-autos. Just a couple of years ago this would be considered an extremely rare occurrence. It's the leading item on the news every day.
Then to add the cream and cherry, NZ Police left firearm owners information in a abandoned police station. Which was subsequently burgled. They only realized this when they recovered some documents as part of another operation. So at a time of peak gun violence, they have given gangs a shopping list / locations of legal firearms.
And of course none of this has been reported or mentioned in your media.
If you want to read more yourself, google search Killer Beez, Tribesmen, shootings, Auckland New Zealand.
Source?You need a source??? try Google.
First this isn't a pro-gun or anti-gun rant. Please keep the thread that way. I wanted to talk about media, and more specifically keep you lot of colonial rejects informed about something you're not being told.
So our Prime Minister Cindy has been over in the USA, and at the time of that horrible school shooting the spotlight has come onto her and our gun laws (ban on MSSAs etc) - and how much better NZ is.
Well... right now we have a full on gang war going on in our biggest city (and it seems to be spreading). There are drive by shootings every day, it's been going on for months. It's also obvious that some of the shootings include the use of banned semi-autos. Just a couple of years ago this would be considered an extremely rare occurrence. It's the leading item on the news every day.
Then to add the cream and cherry, NZ Police left firearm owners information in a abandoned police station. Which was subsequently burgled. They only realized this when they recovered some documents as part of another operation. So at a time of peak gun violence, they have given gangs a shopping list / locations of legal firearms.
And of course none of this has been reported or mentioned in your media.
If you want to read more yourself, google search Killer Beez, Tribesmen, shootings, Auckland New Zealand.
You need a source??? try Google.
Our media does sensationalism, not news per se anymore unfortunately. “If it bleeds, it leads.”
California has the most amount of laws intended to stop crimes committed with firearms. California has the most of amount of crimes committed with firearms…
We have gang/drug wars in every city in the US, especially the big ones. On any given weekend in Chicago there are 20-50 people shot, usually kids and young adults - where is the outrage?
Criminals don’t respect laws…
And gang wars are, indeed, almost pandemic...
They are trying to make every shooting a mass shooting now in the media..
The shooting in Philly is an example of this..
Not a mass shooting just the regulars doing their regular street justice with the public in the middle
https://youtu.be/Ubekfg4PC7s
To compare this to the school shooting is sick IMO
Eagler
You need a source??? try Google.
You can tell which folks are against crime and which folks are against objects.
You don't have one to offer, either?
I do, everyone should own a musket! Then they could tax both guns and ammunition to make it unaffordable to do drive by shooting wit either semi or fully automatic weapons,something like 50k per round sound about right.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iU5qp-cAtOU
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And the second amendment is about preventing government tyranny, which requires more than a household self defense weapon.
Much more common than murder is the legal use of guns to prevent crime. You just don't hear about that. And the second amendment is about preventing government tyranny, which requires more than a household self defense weapon.
The crime problem in America currently is a lack of punishment problem with the very predictable results.
I do, everyone should own a musket! Then they could tax both guns and ammunition to make it unaffordable to do drive by shooting wit either semi or fully automatic weapons,something like 50k per round sound about right.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iU5qp-cAtOU
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The Second Amendment is about a well regulated militia. Those are actually the first for words and the reasoning for the right to keep and bear arms. It predated a national federal military, funded and equipped through federal tax dollars. I'm not into dystopian fear fanfic.
Thank you for a brief breath of sane logic.
With violent crime having a peak season any gun control is doa IMO
Weird how it goes to the gun and not the crazy as heck shooters mental state...
Me thinks crying for more gun laws is easier and cheaper than addressing the real issue...mental health or the lack of it..makes it sound like they care and are trying to do something about it..
Mental institutions would help this crazy and the crazy homeless but as stated it's much more expensive than another useless law that is usually the first law broken in a shooting..
Eagler
They are trying to ban high buildings and bridges :old:
People get injured falling from them.
1. Other nations have mental health issues without the frequency of mass shootings suffered in the U.S.
2. The same political entities that advocate no restrictions on gun ownership, whatsoever (wild wild west), crush mental health support furiously (then cry about this being a mental health issue).
Ok so nutty Americans and guns don't mix
Lets fix the nutty part as it involves and would fix more than gun restrictions would ...it would help this mess out..
https://youtu.be/u1n4NRBbU7U
Imagine staring at that every day?
California is a freak show these days
Eagler
Much more common than murder is the legal use of guns to prevent crime. You just don't hear about that. And the second amendment is about preventing government tyranny, which requires more than a household self defense weapon.Not as often as you think according to a study done on that topic.
The crime problem in America currently is a lack of punishment problem with the very predictable results.
I can tell you for a fact........I've lived through the 50's until now. It was never like this even though we all possessed firearms.
It is easier to blame these tragedies on an inanimate object then to face the real cause. Society.
You didn't all possess AR-15s with extended capacity magazines (which appears to be the mass shooter weapon of choice).
Again, in 1994 there was an assault weapons ban and mass-shooting fatalities were 70% less likely to occur during the 1994 to 2004 federal ban period.
So, there is something to obvious, after all.
Much much younger than us...maybe by half is my guess
And age with experience makes a huge difference
You'll see that one day...but so many days from now you won't remember this
Eagler
Sensitive are we?
Sorry if mentioning you're 60 is so traumatizing
Would never have guessed you were that old from your posts
That's a compliment right? :)
Eagler
I am too old to flex :)
:cheers:
Eagler
Here are a few common sense facts. In this country, since it's inception most if not all, depending on year, owned firearms. In the beginning it was for protection, it enabled people to hunt and feed the family and protect ones' horse from being stolen. Horses of course were their transportation and for farming. Thus it was so important if you stole a horse and were captured you were hung.
I can tell you for a fact........I've lived through the 50's until now. It was never like this even though we all possessed firearms.
Criminals do not care about laws or taxes. Make criminals pay for their crimes and quit supporting the.
Inanimate objects all that can do nothing at all unless a human being uses it. I'm afraid you don't get the point.
You're probably younger then me and don't have the scope and views of the changes of societies as older people who lived then, through time, until now.
In colonial usage well regulated meant properly equipped.
Bit of a weird proposition. It is surely the access to the (mostly) inanimate objects by people with murderous intent which makes for a deadly combination.
The answer is to punish the people with murderous intent.
They are trying to make every shooting a mass shooting now in the media..
The shooting in Philly is an example of this..
Not a mass shooting just the regulars doing their regular street justice with the public in the middle
https://youtu.be/Ubekfg4PC7s
To compare this to the school shooting is sick IMO
Eagler
The Second Amendment is about a well regulated militia. Those are actually the first for words and the reasoning for the right to keep and bear arms. It predated a national federal military, funded and equipped through federal tax dollars. I'm not into dystopian fear fanfic.
That is an interpretation that doesn't seem to have an firmly educated foundation.Hmmm, interpretation by whom? You, I, republicans, democrats, etc.
https://www.pellcenter.org/a-well-regulated-militia/
Which is a total beside the point, regarding mass shootings.
It's always struck me odd that the right to own a weapon was written when those same weapons had a fire rate of 3 to 5 rounds per minute and had an effective range of 100 yards.
Clearly the weapons have changed... but any discussions regarding any changes to the "RIGHT" hit a brick wall.
And what is a militia composed of?
:salute
Everyone seems to be ignoring the SCOTUS decision in the case of Washington D.C. v Heller when the court ruled that the right to keep and bear arms did, in fact, reside in individual citizens, without regard to any affiliation with the National Guard or the U.S. Army Reserve.
End of story.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/District_of_Columbia_v._Heller (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/District_of_Columbia_v._Heller)
The answer is to punish the people with murderous intent. The worse the punishment the better. Taking guns from law abiding folks is not the answer. Make the criminal pay dearly.If your gun is stolen and used in a crime, then you also need to be charged. I suggest 5 years, no parole.
The San Francisco DA over in California chose to not punish criminals. Even the people who happily voted him into office were fed up with his support of criminals.
If your gun is stolen and used in a crime, then you also need to be charged. I suggest 5 years, no parole.
Those that used the gun, 25 years plus what ever the max is for the crime, and no parole.
If your gun is stolen and used in a crime, then you also need to be charged. I suggest 5 years, no parole.
Same with stolen cars?
You people are nuts.Where do you the perps get most of their guns?
No, everybody isn't. SCOTUS can't amend. So, not end of story. :cool: :cheers:
Cars aren't specifically designed to fire bullets (well, except in bad sci fi movies). However, you bring up an interesting potential correlation. Car owners are required to have liability insurance (in most, if not all states). All their motor vehicles must be covered in case of property loss and/or medical cost/loss of life. Granted, not if it is stolen. But what about responsible gun owners whose guns are not stolen? Shouldn't there be liability insurance given the increasing number of handgun death and damages? Shouldn't a responsible law-abiding gun owner be agreeable to such? Or does the Constitution say there's a free pass? :old:
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by the way, the marines gave me an m16-a2 rifle. I guess I trained for war without an assault weapon.
semp
You can get insurance if you want it. I expect you'd like mandatory insurance that poor urban people who need protection the most can't afford in order to disarm the law abiding while ignoring the criminals responsible for most violent crime. If you don't count black urban gang shootings, the USA has one of the lowest rates of violent crime in the world. Restricting the law abiding further isn't going to reduce criminal use of an item you can make in any machine shop.
You can get insurance if you want it. I expect you'd like mandatory insurance that poor urban people who need protection the most can't afford in order to disarm the law abiding while ignoring the criminals responsible for most violent crime. If you don't count black urban gang shootings, the USA has one of the lowest rates of violent crime in the world. Restricting the law abiding further isn't going to reduce criminal use of an item you can make in any machine shop.
Try buying one. Selective fire makes it an assault rifle as far as the term has any real meaning. The M-16, now the M4, is the military selective fire version of the pre-existing civilian modern sporting rifle by Armalite.
all rifles have selective fire. even the ar15.
semp
Selective fire makes it an assault rifle as far as the term has any real meaning. The M-16, now the M4, is the military selective fire version of the pre-existing civilian modern sporting rifle by Armalite.
The answer is to punish the people with murderous intent. The worse the punishment the better. Taking guns from law abiding folks is not the answer. Make the criminal pay dearly.
The Second Amendment is about a well regulated militia. Those are actually the first for words and the reasoning for the right to keep and bear arms.
Source?
it might cause people to want to visit the wilderness in Ontario.
1. Other nations have mental health issues without the frequency of mass shootings suffered in the U.S.
Not as often as you think according to a study done on that topic.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/more-guns-do-not-stop-more-crimes-evidence-shows/
If your gun is stolen and used in a crime, then you also need to be charged. I suggest 5 years, no parole.
Fortunately, that is against all sorts of precedent of law in the US and is highly unlikely.Would be interesting.
It would then cause things like, if a thief steals you car, runs from police pursuit, loses control, and plows into a crowd of people, you -- the car owner and victim of theft -- would be criminally liable.
All their motor vehicles must be covered in case of property loss and/or medical cost/loss of life.
Granted, not if it is stolen.
But what about responsible gun owners whose guns are not stolen?
Or does the Constitution say there's a free pass? :old:
Isn't the USofA considered a First World country? Acts more like one of those 's***hole' countries of Africa someone mentioned a couple or so years ago.
Summary list of mass shootings with Wikipedia pages in the United States 2000–2020.
In some States if you are with someone who murders you also can be charged with murder.
Out of Canada, US, and Europe (not including Africa, S. America, etc.), US is #11.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/mass-shootings-by-country
Average (Mean) Annual Death Rate per Million People from Mass Public Shootings (U.S., Canada, and Europe, 2009-2015):
Norway — 1.888
Serbia — 0.381
France — 0.347
Macedonia — 0.337
Albania — 0.206
Slovakia — 0.185
Switzerland — 0.142
Finland — 0.132
Belgium — 0.128
Czech Republic — 0.123
United States — 0.089
but its absence could lead a reader to believe—incorrectly—that the U.S. experienced fewer mass shooting fatalities per capita than all but a handful of countries in Europe.
May it be possible for recommending a new keyboard for Brooke?
All the letters on his keys have worn out :)
Did you know Brooke was arrested for dog fetling in 1987 but got off on a technicality.
The dog never complained to anyone :old:
Firing an intemediate cartridge in a sustainably controllable way at short range in addition to reasonably accurate fire out to the practical combat range limit of say 400-metres is the definition of an assault rifle. ....
a better method would be to compute the median
Where do you the perps get most of their guns?
all rifles have selective fire. even the ar15.
semp
Only offered in rebuttal - data compiled on the internet:
19 Countries with the Most School Shootings (total incidents Jan 2009-May 2018):
United States — 288
Mexico — 8
South Africa — 6
India — 5
Nigeria & Pakistan — 4
Afghanistan — 3
Brazil, Canada, France — 2
Azerbaijan, China, Estonia, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Kenya, Russia, & Turkey — 1
Currently (unless you're in a hillbilly militia - all they do is get excited firing lots of ammo real fast) that would be the National Guard (citizen soldiers, well equipped and ... well regulated).
all rifles have selective fire. even the ar15.
semp
Guns are not the issue
The issue is the intent and desire to bring murderous harm to others
Having those feelings is the issue that needs attention not guns
Guns is just a means to carry out those sick thoughts
Fix the sick thoughts and your gun problem goes away
Take away guns without fixing the sick minds, the sick minds will just find another meanscto do what the sick voice in their heads are telling them to do..
But gun control talk is highly emotional and looks like they care and want to do something while continuing to divide us on yet another issue warped for just that purpose IMO..
Not to mention the cost of mental health...
Eagler
You will generally never be able to stop people from their minds or thoughts, or more importantly, their actions, especially with all of the propaganda and violence in movies and everything else today. However, they are working on Mind control frequencies and have been for a long time in order to curtail this. That is a very slippery slope and of course the nay sayers will call you crazy for putting attention on it.Like #45?
That is why the founders explicitly put the second Amendment in the constitution. If crazy lunatics, especially those who gain power, can have access to arms, than so should the people of that country to protect themselves from those crazy lunatics. That's the whole point.
Also you can't hold gun manufacturers responsible for crimes committed with them anymore than you can hold Ford responsible for speeding, dui or road rage incidents in one of their vehicles..But auto manufacturers were held accountable for the design of some of their vehicles that cost lives.
Politicians are nuts to the point of being criminally sad these days...interesting to see if we survive them.
Eagler
No, everybody isn't. SCOTUS can't amend. So, not end of story. :cool: :cheers:
But auto manufacturers were held accountable for the design of some of their vehicles that cost lives.
Time for term limits for all politicians.
Like #45?
Like #45?
True, non assault rifles have a safety select and a semi auto selection
"Try buying one. Selective fire makes it an assault rifle as far as the term has any real meaning..."
Debunked above
:salute
Guess that points out that we have a school problem then.
I think moderna is working on a TDS clot shot ..45 is a clear and present danger to the USoA. Jan 6 is a clear indication of such.
It will come with endless boosters for cases like yours
Eagler
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But auto manufacturers were held accountable for the design of some of their vehicles that cost lives.
Time for term limits for all politicians.
The SC is suppose to be non-partisan but isn't anymore.
The recent leak of the draft opinion by the SCOTUS, seemed to me to only serve to weaken the 'perceived' authority of the Court, but it didn't weaken the Court's authority by any means. The SCOTUS still has the ultimate say so about law in the United States. Too argue otherwise is futile.
That's not a real definition. An assault rifle is a selective fire sub-caliber rifle.
Guns do not cause school shootings.
It's disgusting using kids deaths to disarm law abiding Americans...
...without doing anything to stop the actual problems of mental health issues and criminal violence.
It is in essence precisely the military definition of an assault rifle. Further, sub-calibre is a munition whose diameter is less that the bore such as is the case with a saboted round. I think you mean intermediate cartridge. But as I said, it's irrelevant how you categarize the weapon.
What about: certain guns amplify the casualties in such 'postal events'? Surely even the most ardent firearms-admirer would concede this point in order to reserve any pretence of reason.
Well when you (not you in particular or personally FPS) find the needless death of innocents more disgusting and those irriplaceable lives more precious than your irrationally-worshipped weapons which go far beyond hunting or leisure or even (stretching it:) self-defence needs, then perhaps you would - paradoxically - demonstrate you are mature enough to have so many of them floating around.
You cannot stop that. In fact presently you are unable to minimise its growth. Your culture celebrates force and idolises power as the go-to-solution for all problems. You have a uniquely selectively competitive society, set against inequality of opportunity and without what is considered in the rest of the developed world basic rights. Your groups are clustered by faction & not community. You are essentially locked into a civil cold war with little discord or communication just occassional shouting at each other. The forthcoming generation is unable to set a reasonable career course or an optimistic future because large conglomerates run amok with less regulation than royal houses of long-ago. Into this mix you throw FPS for 18-25-year olds, endless Hollywood fantasy movies, inadequate mental health care and the availability of actual weopons only dreamed about in the Great War: 400 rounds easily carried about your person limited only by your finger getting tired and you guys are perplexed why this keeps happening.
The national guard IS composed mostly of common everyday citizens... hence the term militia
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You cannot stop that. In fact presently you are unable to minimise its growth. Your culture celebrates force and idolises power as the go-to-solution for all problems. You have a uniquely selectively competitive society, set against inequality of opportunity and without what is considered in the rest of the developed world basic rights. Your groups are clustered by faction & not community. You are essentially locked into a civil cold war with little discord or communication just occassional shouting at each other. The forthcoming generation is unable to set a reasonable career course or an optimistic future because large conglomerates run amok with less regulation than royal houses of long-ago. Into this mix you throw FPS for 18-25-year olds, endless Hollywood fantasy movies, inadequate mental health care and the availability of actual weopons only dreamed about in the Great War: 400 rounds easily carried about your person limited only by your finger getting tired and you guys are perplexed why this keeps happening.
Arlo, I'm going to respectfully disagree. The Supreme Court is, the final say on whether a law is constitutional or not. That is their purpose. They did not change the 2ndA. What the SCOTUS did was rule that Washington D.C.'s law was unconstitutional, and in doing so, ruled that the right to keep and bear arms does, in fact, descend to the individual citizen and not just to State National Guards or the U.S. Army Reserve.
All of this intellegent writing and yet you still cannot understand that CARS are more dangerous than any gun on the planet and they are being used for attacks.
All those mass car collision attacks on schools must stop.
All those mass car collision attacks on schools must stop.
Arlo, I am diverging somewhat but I'd like to hear your thoughts on why the right to own a gun is entrenched in the Bill of Rights but the right to vote is not.
45 is a clear and present danger to the USoA. Jan 6 is a clear indication of such.
More Americans die in MVAs every year than died in the Vietnam War. Consider that. 38,000+ in 2020.
Arlo, I am diverging somewhat but I'd like to hear your thoughts on why the right to own a gun is entrenched in the Bill of Rights but the right to vote is not.
Arlo, I am diverging somewhat but I'd like to hear your thoughts on why the right to own a gun is entrenched in the Bill of Rights but the right to vote is not.
Well, that's an interesting thought. I'd like to think the latter is more important. Historically speaking, gun ownership was impossible for a slave. But then, so was voting. Voting was also prohibited from non-land owners and women. Supposedly, you would think the NRA would love gun sales to include poor urban black people, vagrants, high schoolers, devout Muslims and hippies but, somehow, I suspect they've run the numbers and realize how unlikely that is (the cost of an AR-15 is rather prohibitive for those either living paycheck to paycheck or with the need to prioritize more important necessities). I kinda think there's a political viewpoint that would prefer voting to be just as unlikely for non-WASPs.
If owning an AR-15 was indeed an unalienable right for all citizens then there'd be as much a reason to issue vouchers for that item as well as an annual allotment for ammo as there would be for any form of welfare or Medicare. But, somehow, I suspect the anti-socialists would bear arms over such.
Voting? Well let's just say it's supposed to be easier for some than others ... according to some. In the original days of the founding fathers, it was.
Of course, this is merely a wandering thought on this. Thanks for inviting me to deeply step in that. :old:
Sorry Violator but I was talking to Arlo.
Arlo, with your comments and observations in mind, it leads me to question the so called infallibility of the founding fathers. I personally wonder if any had the insight to predict what a divide the 2nd Amendment would create.
But more importantly, the lack of a right to vote suggests their goal was to create a Republic for the "Haves".
Well, it seems you are missing the understanding. You didn't imply that you were only talking to Arlo. There is PM for that.
I had no desire to touch this thread with even a 10' virtual pole but I do have to say that's a pretty good take on where we're at as a country from someone that doesn't even live here. Contrary to what that wingnut thinks.
All of this intellegent writing and yet you still cannot understand that CARS are more dangerous than any gun on the planet and they are being used for attacks.
To help minimize gun crime it would help to keep the criminal element behind bars with stricter sentences and much much harder parole requirements
(https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=404990.0;attach=35477)
The U.S. National Research Council, 2014.
Schools used to have rifle ranges, gun clubs, guns and ammo on site.
All school shootings are in gun free zones. Before gun free zones we had fewer shootings. Another big factor is absent fathers and lax school discipline for 'equity'. Those are things government can do something about.
No, it's because the shooters don't want to get shot. They are mentally ill, not stupid.Then why do most of them shoot themselves?
The right to vote was left up to the states; see Article I Section 2, and Article 2 Section I. The Civil War changed that; see 14th Amendment, Section 2 and 15th Amendment Section 1. Women, of course, didn't get the right until the 19th Amendment in the 20th Century, and children didn't get the right until 1971 and the 26th Amendment.
Given that chronology, there appears to be a fairly convincing argument that guns were valued more than popular voting.
- oldman
True, non assault rifles have a safety select and a semi auto selection
"Try buying one. Selective fire makes it an assault rifle as far as the term has any real meaning..."
Debunked above
:salute
Maybe it's just the advantage of a detached view (but thank you). :old:
Yes I agree cars cause a lot of casualties. Just two subtle points: people-in-cars-hours is incredibly high, immeseaurably so. So the risk footprint is permanent, essentially. Cars for the most part, to a statistical degree almost entirely cause accidental, not deliberate casualties. There's probably way more assaults with garden implements which are also needed. Secondly we do make alterations to cars, the infrastructure and the boundries of interactions with other modes of transport such as pedestrians and cyclists.
Take the Netherlands as an example. It was not always cycling / pedestrian-friendly. In the 70s the people decided not to go the car-centric inner-city route with massive protests and petitions which changed things. You guys have this whole ammendment system which suggests your culture makes provision for adaptation.
Then why do most of them shoot themselves?
All of this intellegent writing and yet you still cannot understand that CARS are more dangerous than any gun on the planet and they are being used for attacks.
Again, you will never stop mental health issues or people taking advantage of mental health people, as per my last post, which is why we as citizens deserve the right to defend ourselves. You see, if your country gets invaded or taken over by a corrupt government with mental illness to take your rights. There will be absolutely nothing you can do.
It's simply not feasible for a lot of Americans to not have cars. Heck, a lot of people drive 40 minutes to work and back. Everything is just so spread out here.
Shida is not fat but he has big hands.
Shida is not fat but he has big hands.
I could have been training on how to use a car to kill the enemy.
Nah, they skipped the cars and went straight to little radio-controlled toys.
The horror of mass school foodings.
damn we should have sent cars to Ukraine. hell when I was in the marines, I wasted a lot of time on the range with a rifle when I could have been training on how to use a car to kill the enemy.
in fact why did we wasted trillions and trillions of dollars on airplanes and nuclear bombs when we could have just supped up our mustangs and camaros and kill them all for a fraction of a cost. and we would looked cool, driving across the north pole to invade russia. after all we do have car seat warmers.
in fact why do we need guns. just get a really nice car and defend yourself. have one by every window. :bhead :bhead :bhead
semp
edit: i just have a brilliant idea. cars with auto transmissions cannot be considered assault weapons, cars with manual transmission would be legally classified as assault weapons. :rofl :rofl
I am sure more children/people die from weight related health issues than mass shootings or shootings of any kind...but keep putting the spotlight on the political power side and correct nothing...
All this talk for action and I have heard zero about addressing the mental illness issues we have obviously in this country..
Eagler
I am sure more children/people die from weight related health issues than mass shootings or shootings of any kind...
The same people act appalled that children were killed and then fight for their right to kill children.
I found this video of Shida dancing.
I wish. I presume that's the new Top Gun movie?
did you know that the real reason for the school shooting was because the cop that drove by the shooter and didnt know has the patent on how cars run on water?
These must be some examples of that phenomenon spoken about recently: the more senior you are, the more solid your logic becomes. Solid.
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More black children are killed then are born… fact
The elites don’t destroy their own
More black children are killed then are born… fact
The elites don’t destroy their own
... because they've been disarmed by ill-informed panicked masses. :old: :bhead
What are you saying here? Is it that having the ability to push a button/lever to “safety” (trigger is locked/blocked) means the gun has selective fire?
What would u call it?
Select safety... no fire... select non-safety... fire
:salute
What would u call it?
Select safety... no fire... select non-safety... fire
:salute
Select safety... no fire... select non-safety... fire
It's not a mystery. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selective_fire
Please FLS, tell us that you actually understand that the "safety", and selective fire options on a gun, SAID GUN HAVING BOTH, are two separate devices.
A safety prevents the gun from being fired so long as the safety is in the safe position.
A selective fire "switch" allows the weapon to be fired in the modes that are available for that particular model of gun.
If the safety is in the "safe" position, the selective fire switch has no function as the safety prevents the gun from being fired.
Contrary to what has been posted previously in this thread, not ALL guns have a selective switch as not ALL guns can fire in a multiple round mode on a single trigger pull.
Here's the link, but I have no hope that you'll read it and educate yourself.
Please FLS, tell us that you actually understand that the "safety", and selective fire options on a gun, SAID GUN HAVING BOTH, are two separate devices.
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On the Italian Police Full Auto Beretta pistol they are separate devices. Happy now? Usually it's just one 3 way switch.
The only place I've heard the term 'select fire' spoken was in the military. The M-16-A1 and A2 had the switch on the lower receiver, on the left, and selections were 'safe,' 'fire,' and 'auto.' Later versions of that switch allowed the shooter to shoot a three round burst rather than full auto. My opinion is that a simple on/off safety switch doesn't mean 'select fire.'
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selective_fire (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selective_fire)
what is the different between that and the ar15? not a thing.
ar15 is an assault weapon, designed to kill as many as you can same as the m16 or the m4 or whatever rifle they will select next.
semp
That's the point; same deadly weapon to fight whatever. What use is a non-deadly weapon to a militia.
The new military rifle uses ammo with a steel head on the round, because of the 80,000 psi chamber pressure meant to overcome the enemies plate armor. So, now the AR is not as useful.
I recommend the M1A with tungsten core ammo . . . you know, if you need to fight invaders with plate armor. West Coasters should heed that news.
That's the point; same deadly weapon to fight whatever. What use is a non-deadly weapon to a militia.
The new military rifle uses ammo with a steel head on the round, because of the 80,000 psi chamber pressure meant to overcome the enemies plate armor. So, now the AR is not as useful.
I recommend the M1A with tungsten core ammo . . . you know, if you need to fight invaders with plate armor. West Coasters should heed that news.
Just an update ON-TOPIC for you lot.
This is the same prime minister that rushed through poorly written laws in reaction to the christchurch mass shooting, and kicked off a gun buyback scheme that has been an abysmal failure.
That is mental illness .. a sad sick cry for attention
This was actually discussed BEFORE the Constitution was designated the law of the land (as well as Jefferson's preference to an end to slavery). Sam Adams had a lot to say about it, and his writings are easy to find, as are Franklin's. The "militia" was supposed to be well practiced in the use of current military firearms, so that they could be called up at a moment's notice for the common defense. The AR-15 is ideally suited for this, because it is so easy to use, maintain, and affordable to everyone. On the downside it is easy to abuse, as well.
but what I am talking about is ar15 being argued not an assault weapon. colt says it is, tested in combat. that was their commercial. look close, ar15 there, tested in combat but not an assault weapon.
Majority of serial killers are white middleclass fatherless mummy’s boys….fact
Not very familiar with guns in general are ya?
A weapon designed for a multiple round firing mode will have a 3 way switch at times. But semiautomatic weapons most often only have a "safety". Nothing more for the firing of multiple rounds on one trigger pull.
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That's a good and pertinent point. In that time a militia was necessary because your formal military was small...
Well, thanks for that! I read thru the relevant posts where the conversation was about a "safety" and a selective fire switch. That was what I was trying to address. The difference between the two and that all weapons don't necessarily have both OR either.
Your reading comprehension is a bit lacking isn't it?
I'd bet a very large sum that I know more about firearms laws and regulations than you do. Either way, your snide comment is just that, the snide comment of a handsomehunk.
Good luck trying to assault positions protected by automatic weapons with an AR-15. The essence of the AR-15 has been combat tested, but semi-auto weapons are a poor substitute for something with auto-fire modes, like an M4.
The new Sig takes this all to a new level. Pray none of those hit the streets. You can buy the semi version, but not the hotter ammo. You would have to have the military barrel to handle the military ammo anyway.
The law coming through Congress now demonstrates their disconnect, because you will no longer be legally allowed to assemble rifles. Good luck legally cleaning your rifle. Also, you will not be able to build your own anything.
Only M1's? Thats funny.................or stupid.
https://www.historyonthenet.com/d-day-weapons (https://www.historyonthenet.com/d-day-weapons)
only m1s instead of ar15s.
semp
edit: and a lot less rounds.
Thought your topic was essentially: Look Americans, banning guns does't work.
No it was more "our PM is being hailed for her gun laws despite what is truely going on back home".
I don't pretend to know the answer to the issues you have in the USA. It's a complex environment, and a complex problem which will require a long term solution (as in a solution that may take decades to have the desired effect).
My observation, looking from the outside - is that you have two diametrically opposed 'factions' (pro gun and anti gun) unwilling to give an inch for fear the other will take a foot. And to be honest I think both sides have valid concerns. So the question is how do you get both sides to the table to come to a realistic workable solution. If I were honest, I'd say you cannot and you guys are never ever going to resolve this problem.
Bangalores, Thompsons, BARs, and Flame throwers. I own a Thompson and a BAR, but they want my AR15? Pfft. Next thing you know they'll come for the M2, or the 88! Meh.
Good luck trying to assault positions protected by automatic weapons with an AR-15.
I think we sent all the "colonial rejects" back to the UK over 200 years ago. They may have even ended up in OZ, or NZ.
I would definately trust you with a gun. Your understanding of reality and civility is first rate.
I hope that is sarcasm.
:rofl
He doesn't need a gun anyway. If his flying is any indication, had he fought in the War of Independence he'd have been so far behind the front line there'd be no point him having one.
That comment only proves he has no clue about my flying. None.
I'm actually happy that's so.
That comment only proves he has no clue about my flying. None.
I'm actually happy that's so.
If I bend the knee it will be sorted.
Semp, you're fine. It's the Niki dweeb that's off his rocker. Two words. In sane.
Semp, you're fine. It's the Niki dweeb that's off his rocker. Two words. In sane.
You know, there was another Uvalde incident back in 2018? What I want to know is: why are there so many shootings just as the call for gun collections has come up?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ieqt9nYekkw
Might as well be a confiscation since in gun free zones, practically some states, he right of the people to bear arms is infringed upon.
tell that to the nra next year when they have their convention.
semp
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It’s in Indianapolis in 2023, not a gun free zone/city…why would I tell the NRA?
because this year they didn’t allow guns, same as last year.
semp
Might as well be a confiscation since in gun free zones, practically some states, he right of the people to bear arms is infringed upon.
Nope.
https://www.verifythis.com/article/news/verify/national-verify/guns-not-banned-at-nra-convention-but-are-during-trumps-speech/536-ac6d498e-fe9c-4dcb-8efa-3e3c6b71aa38
2020 & 2021 no convention because of Covid.
You mean the right to mass murder school children is infringed upon. Kinda like the right to shoot up NRA conventions is infringed upon.
If you're referring to me I don't fly the N1K. About as astutely-observed as your other comments. Id iot.
Actuall, it's suicide by cop and momentary fame that is driving these cycles. Columbine happened right in the middle of the last ban.
Remember Killdozer.
@Semp, they even ban RC Airplanes and drones for 20 miles around public figures.
MSNBC, CNN, MSM disinfo corrodes the brain.
No, I don’t think the right of the people is infringed upon with temporary restrictions in the presence of highest ranking elected or appointed officials are concerned.
More than just the 2A is held in suspension while citizens are near our leaders.
This is the way it has been since Reagan was shot. It’s just common sense the average person should have and doesn’t need to be legislated.
It’s a very temporary situation a handful of hours and therefore completely different than a prolonged or permanent suspension of the 2A, like NYC, Chicago, Baltimore, Philadelphia, SF or LA to name just a few.
Just goes to show you that you are not as memorable as you think you are.
Actuall, it's suicide by cop and momentary fame that is driving these cycles. Columbine happened right in the middle of the last ban.
Another shooting in our headlines, outside a school during drop off in the morning. This stuff is very unusual for NZ: https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300612839/gunman-opened-fire-on-driver-dropping-off-child-at-taupiri-school-waikato-district-mayor-says
They said it wasn't gang-related and the shooter and victim knew each other. It seems to have incidentally been near a school. Probaby reasonable expectation that a person would be at a certain place and time.
What is the background to the present gang warfare going on?
Not unlike the shared intellect of Tucker Carlson and the after effects of ball tanning huh?
Yeah nah the police here are full of it, that latest shooting is 100% gang related. Not sure what has started it all, seems to have turned into a tit for tat, tribesman vs killer beez (mid-tier ones here, the big ones are the mongrel mob and black power).
so no guns allowed while the ex is speaking but isnt more guns more safety?. isnt that the main idea? except the secret service thinks it's a bad idea due to safety concerns. so there was a gun free zone, but they dont work. just trying to understand, because you posted something about gun free zones. the right of the people to bear arms should not be infringed upon. isnt that what you said? because I do not recall the part about "except when the ex or current president or vice president are around.
so what do you really think about that gun free zone? do you think it infringed upon the right to bear arms? what about airlines? court houses? police stations...
semp
Defunding the police is a state by state decision..
Only the liberal states with the highest crime rates think this is a good idea
I thought they defunded the police in the US
The decline of a nation :)
I believe your speaker of the House of Representatives was on a program praising Men dressed up as women….fact
Apple products made by your enemies :rofl
You could not make it up :rofl
And which 'liberal states' are those?
You can start with the west coast
I was going to say we would obviously prefer non firearms-equipped gangsters, but with shooting like that :old: Your police spokesman doesn't inspire confidence. Is there no plan?
vulcan anything you can add to this or perhaps fix wikipedia?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gangs_in_New_Zealand
I wish that in the cities around me the number of murders were the same as new zeland. and trust me, I live feeling safe.
a few hundred thousand gang members voting, do they allow felons to vote, I honestly could not find a reliable source. but I find it hard to believe that convicted gang members would be allowed to vote all at the same time. then I also find it hard to believe that all family members would actually support them, I mean some would but not all and I find it hard to believe that all gang members plus their supporting family members actually register to vote.
which let's say for the sake of argument there's 200k to 300k gang members and or family members that vote at every election. there's 2.8 million registered voters and doing this from memory that voted.
so you mean that if good citizens voted on the side of felons, then it's not the felons fault. it was the good citizens that allowed that. or it could be the good citizens think they're doing the right thing and you and a few others think otherwise, because well I have seen people with foil on their heads. just like it happens around here. everything is a conspiracy to some people.
I dont live there and other than news, I dont have much info, not sure if the info I have is correct. but can you expand on what I think? provide better links?
semp
We don't have felons here. You either have criminal history/record or you don't. If you are behind bars for more than 3 years you cannot vote.
200-300k gang based votes is up to 10% of the vote, when elections are tight that's enough to make a difference. We also use an MMP voting system (Mixed Member Proportional).
when we have a republican against republican in the primaries and they call the electron fraud. who is really committing fraud? what the hell are they fighting against? they call crap against each other, so who are we supposed to believe? everybody cheats? one rep got something like 5 or 10 percent vote and called that she was cheated against another rep.
what have we become? who do you believe?
semp
Not sure what specifically you are referring to, but given that various political offices influence large flows of money, there are large motivations involved.
As a result, dirty dealing over political positions is as old as political positions themselves.
when we have a republican against republican in the primaries and they call the electron fraud. who is really committing fraud? what the hell are they fighting against? they call crap against each other, so who are we supposed to believe? everybody cheats? one rep got something like 5 or 10 percent vote and called that she was cheated against another rep.
what have we become? who do you believe?
semp
Yes well that's the whole issue...
A knotty problem. It's a national issue suggesting political goals ought to be set aside to solve this as it seems like it's growing. I think the biggest shock for a lot of Europeans about the latest Ukrainian invasion was the assunption that Putin and the Russians in general were civilised and given his position a reasonable fellow until it was pointed out he was K.G.B. and they were conditioned to infer weakness as a sign to attack. You don't pet an aggressive dog.
Still a job for the professionals though imho.
I pet an aggressive dog every day. Fact!
He’s been trained to be aggressive with strangers and threats. Fact!
The dog weighs 90 pounds fact!
I’ve been breeding showing and training dogs for almost 50 years. Fact.
His name is Boris and will bend a knee when I command it. Fact!
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I pet an aggressive dog every day. Fact!
He’s been trained to be aggressive with strangers and threats. Fact!
The dog weighs 90 pounds fact!
I’ve been breeding showing and training dogs for almost 50 years. Fact.
His name is Boris and will bend a knee when I command it. Fact!
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Gibberish from a European
Assumption that Tony Blair and Bush were civilised when they invaded Iraq because the Saudi back Bin Ladin.
WEF meeting in Switzerland not even a member of the EU full of politicals and unelected discussing your futures
I'll take your nz gun violence and raise you Chicagos...
My guess is there are more shootings in lovely Chicago in a weekend then NZ sees in a month if not months..
Eagler
Murder rate per 100,000 in New Zealand is 2.6. US is 6.3.
But it varies a lot by state and by city, of course.
New Hampshire has 0.9, for example. Then you have places like DC, with murder rate of 28.2, and Louisiana with 15.8. Or cities like St. Louis at 60.9, Baltimore at 57, Detroit at 40.4.
Why doesn't Arlo and his possy want to engage the gangs?
How many did people died to herion, meth, and fentenyl?
Well that's out of the blue. I have a (sic) possy? :old:
You haven't heard Arlo? Mini Q wants to redefine due process for what he sees as bad folk. :rolleyes:
Murder rate per 100,000 in New Zealand is 2.6. US is 6.3.
But it varies a lot by state and by city, of course.
New Hampshire has 0.9, for example. Then you have places like DC, with murder rate of 28.2, and Louisiana with 15.8. Or cities like St. Louis at 60.9, Baltimore at 57, Detroit at 40.4.
You haven't heard Arlo? Mini Q wants to redefine due process for what he sees as bad folk. :rolleyes:
Deaths to drug overdose are about five times higher than deaths from homicide. (33 per 100,000 in the US from drug overdose.)
That is just deaths to overdose -- not number of people with ruined lives from drug addiction, which is much higher.
Honestly, I sometimes wonder what drugs you're on DS. You're exaggerating issues and pretending to see 'trade-offs' that don't exist. You're apparently even aiming at individuals in this community that you seem to think are taking active roles in the conspiracies you massage to form your reality.
A mind is a terrible thing to waste :rolleyes:
Louisiana, the state with the highest rate of murders in the country, contains the overwhelmingly Democrat cities of Baton Rouge and New Orleans, which were the sixth and seventh most murder-prone cities in the country as of 2019, according to FBI statistics.
Missouri, the state with the second-highest murder rate, contains the overwhelmingly Democrat city of St. Louis, which in 2019 had the highest murder rate in the United States. - Allum Bokhari
Louisiana, the state with the highest rate of murders in the country, contains the overwhelmingly Democrat cities of Baton Rouge and New Orleans, which were the sixth and seventh most murder-prone cities in the country as of 2019, according to FBI statistics.
Missouri, the state with the second-highest murder rate, contains the overwhelmingly Democrat city of St. Louis, which in 2019 had the highest murder rate in the United States. - Allum Bokhari
The Western economies have been based on cheap free money for the masses for the last 40 years, it finished.
Mini Q
think baton Rouge is 45% republican, 55% democrat. or something like that. only city I checked. which I think trump won.
semp
A mind is a terrible thing to waste :rolleyes:
How many did people died to herion, meth, and fentenyl?
Why doesn't Arlo and his possy want to engage the gangs?
Zach hits it on the head when he/she rambles on about America living off credit..
I remember back in the early 80's a credit card was something you had to qualify for and it wasn't easy.
The wife and I finally got a Montgomery Wards card and thought we hit the jackpot!
It had a very small limit as it should have.
Years later as our sons became teenagers they received credit cards in the mail without even asking for them!
Yes I would say the majority of Americans live way beyond their means and on credit
This crash should shake that up
Eagler
It is just not Americans only.
It is just not Americans only.
F@k yourselves
You guys are some of the most despicable sacks of dung I’ve ever seen. :aok
Someone says they just lost a friend to a drug overdose and you accuse him of being on drugs because he goes off and rants.
Sickening, once again proving so many points in recent threads 🤮
My condolences to his friend but cool off youngster II (to you).
Shida suffers from gas
My condolences to his friend but cool off youngster II (to you).
What I don’t get is blaming a useful drug and not the person injecting it without an Rx.
I have a procedure coming up next week,they will undoubtably be using fentanyl for post-op pain.
Guess it’s just easier to blame something,anything instead of take personal responsibility. I think all drugs should be legal and let Darwin sort them out. It would end a costly war and take the profit out of the equation, on second thought we can have that now can we…
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Zach hits it on the head when he/she rambles on about America living off credit..
I remember back in the early 80's a credit card was something you had to qualify for and it wasn't easy.
The wife and I finally got a Montgomery Wards card and thought we hit the jackpot!
It had a very small limit as it should have.
Years later as our sons became teenagers they received credit cards in the mail without even asking for them!
Yes I would say the majority of Americans live way beyond their means and on credit
This crash should shake that up
Eagler
think baton Rouge is 45% republican, 55% democrat. or something like that. only city I checked. which I think trump won.
semp
Shida suffers from gas
I noted he calls people "beans". :rofl
What I don’t get is blaming a useful drug and not the person injecting it without an Rx.
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in the 80s, credit cards came in the mail. you didn't have to apply. as long as you had good credit.
semp
We have always lived under our means...probably as we started with nothing when we were 19 and 18 back in 78
So I guess back then zero credit was good credit as they didn't make squat were under 19 and lived at home...
Like I said I think that was the beginning of the abuse of credit that has gotten us to the overspending living beyond your means we have now
Credit is great!
Me and the wife use our Amazon card on everything and pay it off to zero each month..
Mortgage paid, both cars paid..
We have always lived under our means...probably as we started with nothing when we were 19 and 18 back in 78
She has balanced the checkbook to the penny every month since..yes I am blessed!
Eagler
Alright you've caught me. I'm a cannibal. Having Chinese tonight.
After my first degree I was in a bar down London way and some of my ex classmates had programming jobs in and around London. They started taking their wallets out and adding up who had the most credit. One of them literally had those concertina wallets with about 12 cards in it. I just quietly shook my head without moving it. My Grandmother said neither a lender nor a borrower be.
Zack can I lend your Lambretta? :banana:
I don’t give a damn...
Having more credit cards does not mean one has more credit. :aok
Credit card companies hate those that pay off monthly. They prefer those that pay minimal and rack up interest.
Liberal’s compassion abounds.
But I'm sociopathic.
Liberal’s compassion abounds.
Sociopathic.
Careful, calling druggies and drug manufacturers out on this bbs will get you banned.
try it and find out.
so.. it is what happened. thanks for playing
Well, everyone is welcome there and treated fine, I've heard. Perhaps this invasion is supposed to be an act of gratitude.Treated fine only if you bend over so butts can be licked. :D
Treated fine only if you bend over so butts can be licked. :D
So exactly what you reacharound buddies do here. :rofl
gg reads your PMs on her boards.
gg reads your PMs on her boards.
Pretty hung up on that…about the 5th time I’ve noticed you write it.
It happens on any forum, look at your PM’s here, see the report to admin link?
Not really sure if I'm a liberal or not.
Kinda think the super rich should pay more taxes.... Corporations that ship jobs and manufacturing overseas need penalties to motivate them to bring that home... but no citizen should ever suffer or worse die because proper medical care is beyond their means.
I guess if these beliefs make me a LIB, so be it.
I think that class envy, envy of the rich, should not influence taxes. The Tech sector was arguing for easier immigration for technical talent, so they didn't have to move operations. I don't recall how the debate between educating our own versus immigration worked out, but I know which side big tech is on.
Our country has enough money to solve the medical care problem without seizing that sector. That's not what will happen, though.
Condolences for what?
I don’t give a damn idiots who take drugs.
I don’t give a damn about idiots who are criminals who get shot
I don’t give a damn about single mothers with 5 kids by 5 different men.
That was creative, subtle and sophisticated. Well done. On the other hand he's a fellow AHer, a great stick and a fellow human bean. Let's be nice to each other, at least on a Friday \o/
The deal with DS's rant wasn't so much his grief but it being his excuse for running to the forum and selecting another member of the community here to blame it on (for political reason). RotBaron's follow-up hissy over the lack of compassion that it was supposed to elicit was just as disingenuous. But come on now. It's nothing new.
I found this great book in the library...(https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=404990.0;attach=35509)
God I wish reading this thread was as good to read through as Chalenge thinks his flying is.
Every time I come back to read all this thread is doing is over-inflating like his ego.
Zack, people who are young don't always make the best decisions about things. Almost every song these kids listen to on the Mainstream is about doing drugs, banging girls, and living in sorrow. It's very easy to make poor decisions when you are a young person in college/highschool just trying to feel the rim of life. When a drug like Fentenyl and Herion, and Meth get introduced into society that have completely addict them on the first hit, and puts them into a euphoria on a scale that is beyond anything they have ever felt. It's something that completely changes their feeling of life. You crave that feeling more than anything and make horrible decisions to feel it again. Unfortunately, that feeling has a very detrimental effect on your person. The grip of the chemical weapon literally changes them.
It's a very powerful emotion. You must understand that these particular drugs must be considered chemical weapons and dealt with accordingly. We cannot risk our children falling prey to such a chemical attack because it is too detrimental to any young person who simply wants to experience a feeling of euphoria or escape from reality. It's too deadly. I hope you all could just understand that.
There is a reason I was able to become skilled in aces high air combat at the age of 16 and became a Controller in real life much younger than many people after college, and now working along with NASCAR as their partner. I am living an amazing life as an individual. I am very prosperous as an American. I admire intellegnece. My wife has a doctorate in education and makes more than me. I am so proud to have such a smart wife who is also so caring and loving to me. She plans the best trips for us to enjoy and I have traveled to so many places in 5 years and I cannot believe I found this level of happiness. I only say that so perhaps you will understand that I am not some idiot. I do appreciate the later part of your comment though and your sympathy to my situation.
Thats just messed up.
One solution would be for to find an ice dildo to cure your giant case of butthurt.
Best reply of the year
I just talked to her and explained that there's life without drugs
Sad thing about some drugs is that it is so hard for people to get off them. Some provide such a powerful boost to the pleasure center that there is nothing natural that can compete. So it is super difficult for people to forgo the drug, even after just trying it a few times. It's almost like a one-way trap door, which is a brutal dynamic.
One solution would be for to find an ice dildo to cure your giant case of butthurt.
thursday, i was talking to a friend, she's told me many times how she has smoked speed since she was 9 years old. I like her, she's cool, but she's dating my best friend, coolest guy in the world, he knows. told him you break his heart, I"ll hunt you down. but in reality I wont do that. I just talked to her and explained that there's life without drugs, because i know that. other than that, I tell her I'll will always be there if she wants to talk, she's in her late 40's. but that is all i can do.
that's all you can do for addicts, just be there when they want to talk. cant change anybody that doesnt want to change. but if they want to talk, I'll always be there. hopefully they want to change, and I dont actually preach, i just listen.
semp
edit: based on your rant, i assume you smoked a lot of pot, nothing wrong with it. but dont look down on people.
Do you see how she was manipulated at the young age of 9 to do a drug? Think about that for a second. She was in no way old enough to make an educated decision. Since the drug was so addictive. She could not willfully stop, and became more dependent on it.
This is my point. "Addicts" are generally deceived at an early age due to societal and cultural pressures from their peers and influencers. Can we blame them for not understanding what they are getting themselves into? When you have such powerful drugs like meth, herion, fentenyl, oxycodine, ect that have such an addictive hold and creates the degradation of their mind, spirit, body, and livelyhood. It's becoming clear that it's not just a "drug" but an attack on the culture in order to weaken and dismantle it.
Addicts are NOT deceived
They are not victims
They are scum…fact
If you inject yourself with illegal drugs your a savage
Stop defending the scum in society
you're... you're a savage
Try picking up a book.
you're... you're a savage
Try picking up a book.
Peasants
Not really sure if I'm a liberal or not.
Kinda think the super rich should pay more taxes.... Corporations that ship jobs and manufacturing overseas need penalties to motivate them to bring that home... but no citizen should ever suffer or worse die because proper medical care is beyond their means.
I guess if these beliefs make me a LIB, so be it.
I see your point ... however, replace the word 'drug' with 'conspiracy' and I see that in you.
The rich do pay far more taxes.
The rich do pay far more taxes. There are lots of different taxes also.
Drug addicts deficating in the streets is your bench mark for a world view.
The fact that the hyper inflation created by your masters is on its way and you look on without a word shows your mindset.
The major benefit of hyper inflation is that it will decimate the so called liberals lifestyle.
Lets see if Blm or Polosi will give you an ice cream while praising men dressed as woman.?
Peasants
Who you going to blame when your credit is gone?
https://www.addictioncenter.com/drugs/conspiracy-theory-addiction/
Sounds like you people and Trump trying to frame another country for an election, as you consistently only attack one 4 year government official. But I guess it's only okay to question authority when it's "your side". Isn't that right Arlo?
I bet Arlo thought Bin Ladin should have been brought to trail not assassinated in his bed.
Butler
No need for credit, Jevees. Everythings paid for. Now fetch some crumpets.
:rofl :rofl
40 billion fron ExxonMobil not enough?
Stop believing the rich/poor hatred the gov and their media lackeys are brain washing you with.
Take private industry out and you are left with Venezuelan potato head joe as ceo
No thanks!
Eagler
40 billion fron ExxonMobil not enough?
I took an oath to defend the Constitution from enemies both domestic and abroad. I can't fault you for not doing so, having never taken that oath. :old:
And yet you continue to support the people selling it out to the WHO, WEF and UN. Why is that? You know those institutions have no control over the US right? After all you claim to defend the Constitution from people who want to destroy it and create a global government, correct?
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/why-people-latch-on-to-conspiracy-theories-according-to-science
A lot of conspiracy theories have turned out to be news lately.
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/why-people-latch-on-to-conspiracy-theories-according-to-science
Back to OP..another conspiracy theory that has been truth all along hidden by the media purposely to get us the leader we have today..
The russian hoax crackhead hunter - son of potato head "smartest person I know" - laptop which is filled with illegal and probably treasonous actions by said potato head potus.
The tds potato head fan club here probably doesn't think that is real either..
Eagler
They just ignore and deflect because they know how corrupted their souls actually are.
Seriously? Now you're a Priest? :rolleyes:
Busher, does the WEF and UN global government Pact exist. Yes or no?
Busher, does the WEF and UN global government Pact exist. Yes or no?
Keep enjoying your conspiracies V. Maybe someone will find you 11,780 votes. :rolleyes:
Exactly point. Why can't you acknowledge it? It's not a freaking conspiracy theory. They literally just had a meeting in Davos. Do you deny that?
..., I would not believe you if you said the sky was blue.
Then the lying media on the other side of this have accomplished their goal
Eagler
Then the lying media on the other side of this have accomplished their goal
Damn shame that at least half a nation is defined as the "other side."
Let me make it clearer to you V. Your ideas and beliefs are so abhorrent and incomprehensible, I would not believe you if you said the sky was blue.
Those that want to make America great again and those that don't.
I am sitting in my office looking at a coffee cup one of my employees gave me. On it is a picture of Dr Seuss', Cat In The Hat. Along with the picture is a little poem titled, "Let's Go Brandon". It goes like this ...
I do not like
your mental haze,
I do not like
Your leftist ways,
I do not like
your son on blow,
I do not like you...
Sleepy Joe.
Lmfao.
Does this man exist Busher? Arlo? NrShida? Milo? It's a simple Freaking question.
Wonder who will lead the cult when old MaraLardass croaks? Don Jr.? Now we are talking serious "blow".
Off to work. Enjoy your day Guys.
You still on Trump? Trump was the last president before this one.
Cult would probably fit better as those who can't get Trump out of their head
The simple answer to the original op..
Something you won't find in the media:
The truth
Eagler
Wow, not a single one of them will admit the WEF and Klous Schwab even exists. Imagine that. I wonder why that is?
Lmfao.
Does this man exist Busher? Arlo? NrShida? Milo? It's a simple Freaking question.
(https://i.ibb.co/dKDJjDq/Screenshot-20220528-155956-Chrome.jpg)
This thread's gone full-blown off the rails and into orbit :rofl
The original question they won't answer. I find this fascinating.
The fact that one of their members openly called herself a elite troubles you not.
The UK is where British people reside.
That's your first problem right there.
Does the man exist or not? Seems like a rather simple question.
Does the man exist or not? Seems like a rather simple question.
Smells a bit like a loaded-question. Actually the picture didn't display for me and the link gave a warning.
Do you see any fault in your perception of my - for example - not answering being internalised by you as being further evidence for your hypothesis?
Wow, not a single one of them will admit the WEF and Klous Schwab even exists. Imagine that. I wonder why that is?
The picture was posted on page 27....
It just proves that you all have something to hide because you cannot acknowledge that a world government is actively being set up and infiltrating countries around the world, Ive seen the programs. The WEF held a meeting in Davos, Klous Schwab is the leader. You cannot be honest about it or speak about, and act stupid when asked about it, therefore have cruel intentions as you mock those who ask you to discuss these organizations. Furthermore it undoubtedly suggests that you want a world government and that you don't care about your country's sovereignty, therefore Arlo atleast, is breaking his "oath" to the constitution as any foreign organized "government" trying to take over the US sovereignty is unconstitutional and those who partake in its creation are committing treason.
It just proves that you all have something to hide because you cannot acknowledge that a world government is actively being set up and infiltrating countries around the world,
You cannot be honest about it or speak about, and act stupid when asked about it, therefore have cruel intentions as you mock those who ask you to discuss these organizations.
Furthermore it undoubtedly suggests that you want a world government and that you don't care about your country's sovereignty, therefore Arlo atleast, is breaking his "oath" to the constitution as any foreign organized "government" trying to take over the US sovereignty is unconstitutional and those who partake in its creation are committing treason.
That's your first problem right there.
You'd be surprised at just how much doesn't trouble me. And with the curse of perception I was born with, I see a lot! :old:
You're too obsessed with coloured maps :banana:
Just because you don't understand the Constitution or global economics or alliances doesn't mean U.S. sovereignty is threatened or that I'm betraying an oath you either weren't able or was unwilling to take. Tell me something. Do you see those that attacked the capital and threatened the lives of legislators as 'patriots?' Study up. :old:
When the Germans start again dont expect to be welcomed back with open arms
Show me in the constitution where it says that any outside government can or may have sovereignty or rule over American citizens? You are betraying your oath by allowing them to undermine American sovereignty for a global UN world pact organization.
It's that simple.
Show me in the constitution where it says that any outside government can or may have sovereignty or rule over American citizens? You are betraying your oath by allowing them to undermine American sovereignty for a global UN world pact organization. It's that simple.
It sounds to me like you don't understand any of those things because it's easy to see the state of the US with your knobs in power. No one can afford anything now. But I guess that just "part and parcel for Democrat leadership and not an actual attack on Americans. Riiiiiiiight.
I see what happened at the capitol as a warning. Next time there will be 10 million armed Americans to finish the job of these traitors to the NWO in DC. The founding fathers would surely approve. They even wrote about it. Continue to keep tormenting Americans and don't cry when it happens.
The Jan 6 hearing today was especially powerfully today.
ZzzzSo what today do you specifically object to?
Media manipulation for the democrats
Like the show trials of orange mans impeachment
Not sure which is worse ...that or the view/ tmz
They sure are desperate to change the subject from record prices/collapsing economy
Eagler
So what today do you specifically object to?
Show me in the constitution where it says that any outside government can or may have sovereignty or rule over American citizens? You are betraying your oath by allowing them to undermine American sovereignty for a global UN world pact organization. It's that simple.
It sounds to me like you don't understand any of those things because it's easy to see the state of the US with your knobs in power. No one can afford anything now. But I guess that just "part and parcel for Democrat leadership and not an actual attack on Americans. Riiiiiiiight.
I see what happened at the capitol as a warning. Next time there will be 10 million armed Americans to finish the job of these traitors to the NWO in DC. The founding fathers would surely approve. They even wrote about it. Continue to keep tormenting Americans and don't cry when it happens.
Coming from the nut job.
Hey, do you and Arlo support support Klous Schwab and the WEF or not? All I need is a yes or no answer.
Support support or support? Again, you failed to effectively explain why this is important, which is all I need to take you seriously (or not, if it continues to prove ... well ... silly). Heck, let's make it easy on ya. Just point us to the weird conspiracy sites you think make this important.
Could not have answered better. Thanks Arlo.
Support support or support? Again, you failed to effectively explain why this is important, which is all I need to take you seriously (or not, if it continues to prove ... well ... silly). Heck, let's make it easy on ya. Just point us to the weird conspiracy sites you think make this important.
You forgot your radicalization sources that I politely requested. If you don't wanna convert me then just admit it and give up. I'll gladly point you to the nearest U.S. (select your preferred military branch) recruiting office.
You are the one whose radicalized. You cant even admit that a foreign global government agenda is attempting to destroy American sovereignty. Some US military solider you are.
World Economic Forum:
-- Eat the bugs.
-- Live in a pod.
-- Own nothing.
-- Be happy.
Is that from a bumper sticker, Brooke? :)
I'm test-marketing it. What do you think, Arlo? Can I write you down for a dozen?
World Economic Forum:
-- Eat the bugs.
-- Live in a pod.
-- Own nothing.
-- Be happy.
Nope.
Awww. Come on -- it's for a good cause:
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2018/07/good-grub-why-we-might-be-eating-insects-soon/
https://youtu.be/SqzepGBatWo?t=5
https://medium.com/world-economic-forum/welcome-to-2030-i-own-nothing-have-no-privacy-and-life-has-never-been-better-ee2eed62f710
We eat more insects on a weekly basis than one might care to consider.
Now you tell me! It's almost dinner time!
At least, not yet. Sell it to me better. :)
OK. Imagine this.
Think about Klaus Schwab, Justin Trudeau, and other WEF luminaries working tirelessly on the world's behalf, figuring out how us common folk should best live our lives. They have to dine on filet mignon and lobster, fly around on personal jets, live in exclusive abodes, and have servants and helpers.
But!
We could in a way help them have the equivalent of a lower-consumption lifestyle. We can: eat the bugs, live in pods, own nothing. And then, be happy that we are, in our own small, limited way, helping them bring about the World Economic Forum agendas! :aok
Now what do you say? Are you in for a few?
No habla der unsinn. :old:
Do you see how she was manipulated at the young age of 9 to do a drug? Think about that for a second. She was in no way old enough to make an educated decision. Since the drug was so addictive. She could not willfully stop, and became more dependent on it.
This is my point. "Addicts" are generally deceived at an early age due to societal and cultural pressures from their peers and influencers. Can we blame them for not understanding what they are getting themselves into? When you have such powerful drugs like meth, herion, fentenyl, oxycodine, ect that have such an addictive hold and creates the degradation of their mind, spirit, body, and livelyhood. It's becoming clear that it's not just a "drug" but an attack on the culture in order to weaken and dismantle it.
Hey, do you and Arlo support support Klous Schwab and the WEF or not?
They are Freaking infiltrating countries around the world to push the WEF agenda. MR. IM EDUCATED IN HISTORY but then refuses to acknowledge nefarious global government organizations trying to infiltrate America and push its agenda with its corrupt government officials and business leaders. How stupid can you possibly be? Are you really this naive. Sorta like how you shrug off 100K over doses a year and don't care about gangs destroying the country. You people are losers and you don't have the #s on your side.
Ooooooooooooh, I see what this is all about. Technocrats, yes Europe has a predilection for producing those. A real nasty infestation too. Got the makings of a fine James Bond movie. "So Mr. Bond, I see you refuse to turn vegan and give up your Vaalter PPK...".
I can see why that would be scary. A minority of openly powerful people, highly educated, technical, scheming, rich, and democratically unaccountable threatening your covertly powerful, moderately educated, untechnical, scheming, rich and democratically unaccountable minority whilst subtly manipulating public opinion that it really matters which dingleberry president you've been fighting over to keep your fuel prices low and not threaten your illusion of freedom through gun ownership*.
A remarkable parallel from a certain perspective. If only I was intelligent enough to draw the logical inference, it's like something on a high shelf I just can't reach... :)
* Yeah that's a bit mean to say. I'm just trying to make the point that if only your focus was leading the world as a beacon of democracy, industry, technology and culture as you once promised to be. Instead you've rather let your shape-shifting lizard people corrupt noble concepts into a farcical contrived duality of distraction, convenience, materialism and self-interest, which rides right on the edge of a second civil war, while consigning the rest of the world to the servitude of your empire through unnecessarily-aggressive nationalism and the false limitation of resources. I guess all institutions corrupt with time. Processes, influences, careful control of education, deliberate cultural steering... It's also pretty clear now why people like Shuffler and Eagler don't seem to have a clue how things actually work - they probably have guns!
Wait a minute, did I just accidentally move this thread slightly back on topic? :headscratch:
(https://i.imgur.com/7Ejxnoq.png)
Sure.... we don't have a clue...can't reach the high shelf ...lol
You must consider that a "global government" would only serve its own interest and beurocracy before the citizens it claims to be "serving".
The "intellectual" government always treats it's people as second class to them.
Especially for countries who don't have the right to bear arms?
All of you "Intellectual" folk seem to think your perceptions of "Intellectual" governments will somehow make everyone happy because they are just so damned much smarter than everyone else. This has never worked in history.
Thanks to Reagan the tide changed and bit and we had 2 decades of real prosperity where individuals all over America made it rich.
I lived in Portland ran by "Intellectuals" it was a trash dump with the highest taxes. Do you think I want that for the rest of the country? I ask myself, how could anyone continue to fall for the democrat trap when it's cleary obvious they don't know how to run even a city.
Always found it a bit puzzling how that misconception persists even in the light of the last 20-years or so where you've had live feeds of small-arms fire being answered by Apache gunships, A-10s etc. and a highly-organized, professional military. What about Miyanmar? Does your media not cover such things? Too busy with your civil cold-war perhaps.
I can't really stand behind the proposition that American prosperity should be the primary focus any longer.
Please bear in mind that regulations were put in place to prevent lassez faire (the policy of just letting the market run its course at the expense of the consumer which does not actually 'lift populations out of poverty' as you claim). It generally pushes a 'what the market will bear' mentality over a 'what the customers can afford' one.
Paul Krugman, social democrat, Nobel Prize winning economist, NYT columnist, academic luminary, disagrees with you.
Do you think that he is wrong?
In your viewpoint and attempted usage
The vast majority of working class individuals in the United States would be content with what was made available to the 1950s generation when . . .
a money gap so large
But I think this is more likely: If there were another civil war in the US, it would be a diffuse guerilla war. Not rifles vs. Apaches.
I don't think it is the primary focus for most Americans.
Might as well argue with a tape recorder.
Which manufacturers currently make their ammunition from a hidden, hardened bunker? :old:
There's a lot of innocents out there. It is obviously a better place to put energy to ensure that never happens. That takes discourse not more division. Watch babies die in a NICU that makes you reconsider a lot of things.
I wasn't talking about individuals so much there as the large entities. Where is the accountability, balance and democracy at that level?
I don't know if this comment is directed to me. I have been trying to think on my feet and not repeat myself and of course can be wrong about a lof of things. I'm reminded of that cartoon with two windows in a post office sort of setting. One counter has the sign "What you need to hear" and has no queue. The other says "What you want to hear" and has a long queue. I did say honesty tends to get one in way more trouble than lying :rofl
I've actually found it quite fascinating to have these discussions here where previously a lightening bolt would have preceded the commical smoking pair of shoes in a post PNG-stylee. I don't know if the Dale God-Entity is indisposed or doesn't care anymore. We can only hope he's not sitting in the toilet obsessively polishing his M1 Garand with a maniacal grin on his face otherwise some of us are going to be running in zig-zags pretty quickly. Maybe for only a short-while if he's got his lead down. Bang! Bang! Clink!
Just a few general remarks before I shortly become absorbed in my next obsessive project to the great relief of some of you I'm sure:
Assuming people who don't agree with you given the same starting point and data are stupid is wrong and closes productive discussion. Better to discuss why they've concluded differently maybe you or they missed something. There's not one solution to things that's intolerance. Understand what argument (in both forms), discussion and debate means. There is no ugly discussion, only discussion. Just as a US Bradley might have a photograph of Rommel on its bulkhead. It doesn't matter who has said something they could be wrong. Equally a non-expert might make very good points about a topic, often because they are free from indoctrination.
I was once within range of American broadcasts back in the 80s. There was an advert for the US Army" "Be, all that you can be" does anyone remember that? Well I was too young and too not-an-American to join the US Army but that suggestion has accompanied me ever since. There can be a sort of nobility about America and don't let Zack tell you differently. There may be troubles ahead. Your constitution - although releatively recent - has been very influential on a lot of the world. How in the hell do you suppose it's all going to hold together if you can't hold it together. Earn it.
:salute
Which manufacturers currently make their ammunition from a hidden, hardened bunker? :old:
There's a lot of innocents out there. It is obviously a better place to put energy to ensure that never happens. That takes discourse not more division.
I wasn't talking about individuals so much there as the large entities. Where is the accountability, balance and democracy at that level?
Both sides think the other side is the stupid easy to beat side. There's a recipe for peaceful resolution...
Both sides think the other side is the stupid easy to beat side. There's a recipe for peaceful resolution...
The Jan 6 CMTE public hearing on FAUX News. With each hearing, the hole being dug by the actions of the ex Prez is getting deeper.
It’s on FAUX News because it’s a dog and pony show, is FAUX accusations and meant to distract from the imploding economy & failing administration.
It will result in nothing (except wasted $) as per usual with the side putting this show on.
With your “outside perspective” you learned nothing from Russia Russia Russia, Marsha. :rolleyes:
It's the same people that tried to sell the Russian collusion BS. They're playing to the CNN MSNBC crowd but it's a small crowd, nobody cares.
The FBI?
No Sir, in fact it is an display of corroborated documents and testimony. It provides evidence, not judgement. Choose to ignore it and you among others confirm you allegiance to a man ahead of the Constitution.
Quite wrong. It’s a charade based on a judgment in order to find evidence to prove the pre-conceived judgment.
Meanwhile have you looked at your 401k or portfolio recently?
Completely partisan (once Nancy rejected Banks and Jordan from participating) and highly unconstitutional. This is the Legislative Branch investigating a US citizen…
Allegiance to Trump, hardly, nice tangent though. Nicole Wallace is your go to for news I see.
It's the same people that tried to sell the Russian collusion BS. They're playing to the CNN MSNBC crowd but it's a small crowd, nobody cares.
I don't mind what you choose to believe.
the word treason is thrown around here often. and it bugs me, because most people dont know what treason means.
having another civil war is treason. you want to change the usa, use the tools we have, elections. you talk about arms and it goes against everything I joined the marines for.
vote and I'll support you. talk about armed insurection and you are a traitor. and that bugs me as I consider you guys good citizens, but patriots talking about insurrection you are a traitor. that's it.
we should talk about about how to better our country and better it the legal way. talking about uprising and you are out of your mind.
semp
There is no judgement involved. If you listened to the testimony and saw the evidence presented (by mostly republican witnesses), you would see that there is no trial here; it is nothing more than a presentation of corroborated facts to permit citizens to form their own conclusions - assuming they can listen with an open mind.
Should the DOJ decide to run with it, that's a completely different set of events. Oh look, the FBI, under federal warrant, raided Jeff Clark's home in the pre-dawn hours. Can't wait to see what that's about.
No Sir, in fact it is an display of corroborated documents and testimony. It provides evidence, not judgement. Choose to ignore it and you among others confirm you allegiance to a man ahead of the Constitution.
😆 🤣 😂 😹 just think. This meth head was almost the leader of Florida. An great example of the 'fine' democrat party of 'adults'. What a bullet we dodged.
Whataboutism by the Repubs.
Notice the Repubs don't/can't say what is false testimony at the 1-6 hearings.
All for their setup from the beginning 1/6 witch hunt right after potato head and his son have their hearings...televised of course
But we all know that will not happen due to the bias and corruption of our government and state run media
Milo would you go for that or do you and ur buds here still think the laptop is russian disinformation as the lie told to us in 2020 suggested?
Eagler
Whataboutism by the Repubs.
Notice the Repubs don't/can't say what is false testimony at the 1-6 hearings.
How can they??
They aren’t allowed to participate and cross examine any witnesses, thus have no platform; exactly the way Nancy and these $ wasting perpetrators want it.
Yes the past Administration sure was corrupt.
Still no examples of what was said during the hearings was false.
The subject is the corruption of the past Administration, NOT a laptop.
Excuse me but it is McCarthy who is the reason there is only 2 Repubs on the panel.
That doesn't stop you or others saying what you think is false.
Yes the past Administration sure was corrupt.
Still no examples of what was said during the hearings was false.
The subject is the corruption of the past Administration, NOT a laptop.
Still dodging the question, what is false about any of the testimonies?
Nobody is paying enough attention to answer that. They blew their credibility with the first two impeachments. Jan 6 is just another abuse of process to create a narrative for gullible people.
You should go on the comedy circuit.
There was no guilty verdict because the Repugs didn't have the gonads to convict. If they had had the gonads, there wouldn't be a 2cd impeachment and a Jan 6.
Yes it was a giant setup from the start..brilliant actually by Trump and it failed miserably, thankfully.
Typical, deflection, deflection, deflection.
Do you also believe their spew that this was the most secure election ever?
Even after all the election process changes enacted by some states illegally for that mean ole china flu?
You do realize without the cough, orange man would still be driving you crazy with his 4am tweets lol
Eagler
Even Barr said there was NOTHING wrong with the election.
Then he is clearly a liar. Only a Fing corrupted moron would suggest there is nothing wrong
Keep going in circles, it's impressive. Don't let it go just because it's a futile waste of time. :D
I really don't mind other people having different opinions about events they weren't at. :aok
You should be. :)
It is so typical of Trump cultists that they won't even look at anything that is considered by them to be negative about their God/King.
You as well.
Milo, clearly I respect your views but I might suggest we let this thread die. Neither you nor I will achieve discussion on the evidence under examination. Those that support T***p are parroting all his claims that the Investigation is un-Constitutional, that evidence obtained under subpoena must be perjurious, that the committee really should focus on Hilary or Hunter. It won't stop.
I would disagree. Trump is the greatest threat. All this crap is an attempt to exclude him from running again. But he is his worse enemy. Mean tweets.. .
Oh and a little side note.
https://www.christianitydaily.com/articles/10454/20210108/antifa-infiltrated-trump-supporters-in-capitol-tons-of-evidence-reveal.htm
I see what happened at the capitol as a warning. Next time there will be 10 million armed Americans to finish the job of these traitors to the NWO in DC. The founding fathers would surely approve. They even wrote about it. Continue to keep tormenting Americans and don't cry when it happens.
Why should they get a pass Busher? They worked with Russia, China, Kazakhstan, Africa, Ukraine, and who ever else to steal American secrets, American tax dollars, set up Biolabs manipulating viruses to easily spread to humans, invaded 5 countries at least, and murdered anyone in their way. Why should they get a pass?
But I'm all for letting this thread die.
You do realize that the republicans would rather have another potato head they can blame the bad economy on than be held responsible for the sheet show that will still be unfolding in 2024?
They wanted him out as bad as the dems did
Desantis and the rest are distancing themselves as far as possible from anything trump
Personally I think America peaked and is financially imploding
I see no one that can right this ship anytime soon if at all
Eagler
They would have rather had Jeb in there but he failed. Trump crushed all of those guys and he will again. Whether they like it not. He has the money for it. DeSantis needs to stay in FL right now and run after Trump. He doesn't have the same national level of support that Trump does. It would be silly for Republicans to trade in their bull for a donkey, but we all know how big of idiots the establishment GOP are. They still Won't be able to stop Trump because more than half of Republicans in house and senate support him.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jun/06/desantis-trump-conservative-group-straw-poll-2024-presidential-nomination (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jun/06/desantis-trump-conservative-group-straw-poll-2024-presidential-nomination)
I'm creating pro-Desantis \ Pro-Trump accounts on political forums. I'm intending to foment as much bloody civil war between those factions as I can. ;)
Thunderdome! Two go in; one comes out!
(https://www.crimsontear.com/articles/201505/mad-max-beyond-thunderdome.jpg)
They did a Poll in Denver lol. I wouldn't take too much from it. DeSantis and Trump are tight, all they are doing is WWE style talk to show they are different to separate themselves in the political world. I really just need DeSantis to stay in FL though.
https://www.axios.com/2022/01/16/trump-privately-slams-desantis (https://www.axios.com/2022/01/16/trump-privately-slams-desantis)
If you think Desantis will forego a clear shot at the Presidency to be Trump's bud, you are delusional. Especially if it looks like Trump's position is weakening. And everyone has seen how shallow Trump's loyalty goes. Just as k Mo Brookes. LoL.
If you think Trump won't ramp up his attacks on Desaintis once he is a clear competitor, I got a bridge to sell you. :rofl
It's going to be a bloodbath of hate. And I will goad it on as far as I can under multiple shades. ;)
Politics is Politics. I just dont think DeSantis needs to play his card now. Why should he?
YDeSantis is even more scary than Trump as he is intelligent.
I vote by mail. That should be overturned, along with drop boxes.
Because?
Many states have had vote by mail for decades. It was never a problem until the Orange Pig-God lost.
Arlo I refuse to believe your that stupid.
Because?
Drop boxes are an easy to cheat that's why
Drop boxes are an easy to cheat that's why
https://uproxx.com/viral/fox-news-dumps-trump-for-ron-desantis/
https://nypost.com/2022/06/20/gop-senate-candidate-tells-voters-to-get-rino-hunting-permits/
Disgraced former Missouri governor and GOP Senate candidate Eric Greitens released a wild ad Monday calling on primary voters to order a “RINO hunting permit” in an attack on Republicans known for breaking with former President Donald Trump.
“RINO” – which stands for Republican in Name Only – has been used to label Republican lawmakers who openly criticize the former president or publicly oppose his belief that the 2020 presidential election was stolen. In recent months, Trump has urged Republicans to vote out lawmakers that have crossed him – most notably Rep. Liz Cheney (R-Wyo.).
The Greitens ad took the attack on his fellow GOPers to another level.
Your going to tell me with drop boxes no ID required and not having to vote in person with an ID there is only 1300 out of one hundred and fifty eight Million cases of fraud ???
So Nopoop wants to prevent military personnel from being able to vote by mail.
So much for "Support the Troops".
Bet your a cherry picker in game also..
Of course the military would have the right to vote remotly.
Absentee ballots and vote by mail are not the same thing. But you knew that right?
President Trump has repeatedly attacked voting by mail as a less secure method than absentee voting, claiming without evidence that it will lead to rampant fraud and creating confusion about whether there is a difference between those practices.
The bottom line: Some states prefer one term over the other, but both “absentee voting” and “mail-in voting” refer to the method of using the mail to deliver ballots to voters. Regardless of the term used in your state, all ballots delivered to voters by mail are verified before they are counted.
Misinformation about voting by mail
Since we’re here, let’s put to bed some myths and misinformation about voting by mail:
Voting fraud is extremely rare in the US, and voting by mail is no exception. In the past 20 years, over 250,000,000 votes have been cast by mail, and according to data from the Heritage Foundation, there have been only 1,285 proven cases of voter fraud resulting in 1,100 convictions.
Studies done by such organizations as Stanford University have found that voting by mail does not favor voter share or turnout of either major political party. Expanding access to voting by mail is generally considered great for all voters and their ability to exercise their right to vote.
https://nypost.com/2022/06/20/gop-senate-candidate-tells-voters-to-get-rino-hunting-permits/
Disgraced former Missouri governor and GOP Senate candidate Eric Greitens released a wild ad Monday calling on primary voters to order a “RINO hunting permit” in an attack on Republicans known for breaking with former President Donald Trump.
“RINO” – which stands for Republican in Name Only – has been used to label Republican lawmakers who openly criticize the former president or publicly oppose his belief that the 2020 presidential election was stolen. In recent months, Trump has urged Republicans to vote out lawmakers that have crossed him – most notably Rep. Liz Cheney (R-Wyo.).
The Greitens ad took the attack on his fellow GOPers to another level.
I wasn't aware of that distinction.
So which should be illegal and why? Either? Both?
Seems to me a global pandemic is a perfectly reasonable reason to allow absentee voting. Courts seemed to agree.
Absentee ballots are for people who will be absent from their usual polling place on election day. Mail in ballots are sent to every voter and they don't have to go to a polling place. That's the primary difference. There are also local state differences.
Working or being on jury duty during voting hours
Serving as an election worker or poll watcher
Having religious beliefs or practices that prevent them from going to a voting center
Absentee ballots are for people who will be absent from their usual polling place on election day. Mail in ballots are sent to every voter and they don't have to go to a polling place. That's the primary difference. There are also local state differences.
I would disagree. Trump is the greatest threat. All this crap is an attempt to exclude him from running again. But he is his worse enemy. Mean tweets.. .
I could go for some mean tweets and $1.98 gas right about now.
Start tweeting.
Yep, it's a TV show trial. With crappy ratings.
Start tweeting.If that'll get me a $1.98 gas, sure.
It's a show trial, meaning a sham where they pretend to investigate, cherry pick evidence, present it out of context and refuse to allow any sort of due process. It's meant to create an impression. The low ratings show that America, including most Democrats, isn't interested.
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
semp
Wheeew... for a minute there I was worried you might try to string a coherent sentence together.
Give examples of what you claim.
Why? I answered your question, I don't need to debate it. It's not like you'd change your mind about anything.
In other words, you can't give specifics.
Well I'd have to watch those capering idiots and you couldn't pay me to do that. You can just believe you're correct which is where we'd be in any case.
He may as well be, eh?
Can you explain that?
Well I'd have to watch those capering idiots and you couldn't pay me to do that. You can just believe you're correct which is where we'd be in any case.
I'll give you this one. It's the same people that pushed the Russia collusion BS and none of them have recanted or apologized for it despite now knowing it was a hired fake.
Raising the bar too high for you, then? :aok :old:
Yes the truth scares you. It must be embarrassing to have to admit that you got suckered by the Master of the Con/Grift.
The Russians did involve themselves in the 2016 and 2020 elections.
Impossible for simp, or you for that matter.
Again you prove my point. Thank you.
Are you one of the few watching or did you just read about it?
this post-Skuzzy world
LMAO, it's killin you ain't it.
Again you prove my point. Thank you.
Are you one of the few watching or did you just read about it?
Better ratings than the apprentice. :ahand
Again making things up. That's not clever.
You should read more than the headlines.
You didn't watch it. I don't blame you. :aok
It was on in the background.
Is it really that embarrassing for you, that you got conned by the Master of the Con/Grift?
https://nypost.com/2022/06/20/gop-senate-candidate-tells-voters-to-get-rino-hunting-permits/
Disgraced former Missouri governor and GOP Senate candidate Eric Greitens released a wild ad Monday calling on primary voters to order a “RINO hunting permit” in an attack on Republicans known for breaking with former President Donald Trump.
“RINO” – which stands for Republican in Name Only – has been used to label Republican lawmakers who openly criticize the former president or publicly oppose his belief that the 2020 presidential election was stolen. In recent months, Trump has urged Republicans to vote out lawmakers that have crossed him – most notably Rep. Liz Cheney (R-Wyo.).
The Greitens ad took the attack on his fellow GOPers to another level.
:rofl
The term has been around far longer than when I first heard it said about GW Bush in his 2nd term.
But hey don’t let the truth get in the way of your narrative :aok
Wheeew... for a minute there I was worried you might try to string a coherent sentence together.
i dare you, I double dare you mf to tell me the meaning of coherent. then point to be which of my sentences arent. :noid :noid :rofl :rofl :rofl
Don't let ICOM invader trolls wind you up, Semp. It makes them cream themselves. ;)
the word treason is thrown around here often. and it bugs me, because most people dont know what treason means.
having another civil war is treason. you want to change the usa, use the tools we have, elections. you talk about arms and it goes against everything I joined the marines for.
vote and I'll support you. talk about armed insurection and you are a traitor. and that bugs me as I consider you guys good citizens, but patriots talking about insurrection you are a traitor. that's it.
we should talk about about how to better our country and better it the legal way. talking about uprising and you are out of your mind.
semp
At least Biden doesn't talk like a 3-4 year old.
At least Biden doesn't talk like a 3-4 year old.
Yes they speak better...and know to say hello with a cheat sheet
Please stop the tds...not all of us here thought he was the savior...
He was the better choice between wobbly corrupt clinton and senile corrupt joe sadly though..
2024 should be hilarious as we continue to go down hill with our political choices....
Eagler
At least Biden doesn't talk like a 3-4 year old.
It was on in the background.
Is it really that embarrassing for you, that you got conned by the Master of the Con/Grift?
At least Biden doesn't talk like a 3-4 year old.
Rep. Maxine Waters (D-CA) joined the chorus of Democrats and pro-abortion activists reacting furiously to the Supreme Court’s decision to overturn Roe v. Wade on Friday.
Waters, flanked by Rep. Al Green (D-TX), joined activists outside the Supreme Court following the ruling, telling reporters: “You ain’t seen nothing yet. Women are going to control their bodies no matter how they try and stop [us]. The hell with the Supreme Court. We will defy them.”
Pro-abortion rioters attempted to breach the Arizona capitol building in Phoenix while the Arizona Senate was in session.
The Arizona Department of Public Safety issued the following statement: “Troopers deployed gas outside the Senate building after protesters attempted to break the glass. The crowd then moved to the Wesley Bolin Plaza where some monuments were vandalized. Gas was deployed again to disburse the crowd.”
Does this meet your definition yet? 😵
didn't know the arizona capitol is where the us government conducts business.
semp
Yes definitely Clinton. Joe got handed a bad deal began by his predecessor and a GOP that swore it would do everything it could to make Joe fail.
As for corrupt, Trump is the outright winner.
So a prominent House Representative calling for defiance of the SCOTUS and riling up a large crowd in front of SC building is your idea of what?
My Lord! Trump is on your mind more than Colbert and Maddow think about him combined.
Seek psychiatric help!
would be a protest. breaking and entering a building would be a crime.
but treason is not. perhaps you should read it in the constitution.
semp
Imagine all you know about America is from FAUX and movies. That doesn't make you a crazy person, just misinformed.
So all the threat right now to kill police officers, judges, and even the Justices are just protest. And if they were able to get into the SC building then it would be breaking and entering.
Well in that token the 1/6 committee “hearing” is totally unjustified. Thank you :aok
fify
I've been to Canada but really I know squat about it.
I live in America. I know a lot about America. You don't.
You really don't know anything if you think FAUX is legit news. :)
would be a protest. breaking and entering a building would be a crime.
but treason is not. perhaps you should read it in the constitution.
semp
At least Biden doesn't talk like a 3-4 year old.
Biden is very much a 3 year old. He is unstable. They have to give him hand written directions on when to enter, sit, talk... and what to say. Through his whole career he has done nothing. It is not just sinility.
Biden is very much a 3 year old. He is unstable. They have to give him hand written directions on when to enter, sit, talk... and what to say. Through his whole career he has done nothing. It is not just sinility.
Our 8th grade history teacher made us study the Constitution. That was the beginning of the year and he still was throwing questions at us through the entire year (Catholic school gave him the liberty to do that). Since then I had full semester “Government” Junior year and in college I was double major, History being one of them. I reckon I’m pretty well acquainted with it, although it’s been a couple decades since being tested on it at a 400 level.
Please let me know what your definition of an enemy of the United States is and also what qualifies as levying war.
I don't know you are the scholar, me being a foreigner, I would love to learn.
semp
Scholar, no I don’t fashion myself as such because (thankfully) I left the world of “academia” indoctrination 20 years ago and learned to actually critically think in the real world. I did re-enter so to speak to do nursing pre-requisites, and then nursing school which is nothing like “college”.
Milo is teaching you bad habits of not answering questions when he can’t defend his position, don’t take after him…answer the questions.
I know you believe this; I know Trump is happy you and other supporters believe this.
Sad part is that we have to listen to you say it.... over and over and over.... :rolleyes:
you are the one who didnt answer my first 2 questions. guess you couldnt defend your position. answer the questions.
it's funny how you think you left academia because of indoctrination, when in fact you are indoctrinated. hopefully someday you will use those critical thinking skills you learned :salute
semp
Have any examples of my indoctrination?
I know you don't believe the actual pictures of his notes that have been seen. It is ok... you don't believe facts... that makes you a liberal. A liberal supports crime, kills children. These things are facts. I see liberals doing this,,,, no one has to tell me what liberals are doing.
shuffler, people here call me a liberal, do you think I support crime and kill children? please do explain these facts.
semp
Please show where you asked me any questions. I scrolled back to your comment about people using the term treason bugs you, about 11 pages ago and don’t see where you asked me any.
I graduated, that’s how I got out of the indoctrination mill.
Have any examples of my indoctrination?
You think Trump is the God/King with no faults.
Hillary is sick and vile human, period.
you did mention the arizona capital and the supreme court asking if that was treason. somebody as educated as you should know it isnt. were crimes commited, likely yes, yelling outside on the side walk is a right we all have, breaking into a building or threatening others, is a crime. but it's not treason.
that's how it all started. but I have heard you talk about a revolution and insurrection, now that is treason.
semp
So very true.
I asked if it met YOUR definition.
You’ve heard me “talk” about revolution and insurrection, yes probably as it was the subject being discussed at the time. Heard me promote it, no you have not.
Hypotheticals are just that.
You think Trump is the God/King with no faults.
I did work with the local Fox News station but they weren't conservative, they were normal blue state democrats for the most part.
i believe that as much as I believe you have not been indoctrinated.
semp
what you guys dont understand is that we are also in the middle of our country, you think we support crime, that is stupid, do i want people to come into my house and steal from me. do you think I want my granddaughters to be killed? that is so stupid, I want my children and granddaughters to live in a country where they can be safe. if you believe otherwise, then you are dumb. we want to live in a country where we are safe, where your kids are safe.
to think otherwise is just dumb.
semp
You left out pedo. ;)
Dr Birx has admitted under congressional questioning that there was never any evidence that the covid shot would prevent disease or transmission of disease and that it would only alleviate disease for 4 months. How many of you saw this in your usual media?
I have not noticed that being a trait one way or the other. Are you trying to make an admission?
Selective memory on your part. You don't remember the Pizza joint? FW was good at mentioning the pedo Dems.
Who is ‘we’?
Safe, Oh? Did you vote for AG Xavier Becerra and Gascon in recent elections?
Do you know what an Angel mom is?
no didn't vote for either and who is mom? you mean the show? it was pretty funny but it ended a couple of years ago.
So you didn’t vote or you voted for the Republican challengers for AG and DA?
Did you lose your glasses? It says Angel mom.
I have not noticed that being a trait one way or the other. Are you trying to make an admission?
Liberals do not protect the border and support people coming over ILLEGALLY. Liberals. Liberals push to not incarcerate those who commit crimes. Liberals push laws against law abiding citizens instead of using existing laws to punish criminals. Liberals are rioting now out of fear they can't kill children.
perhaps there's another explanation. I dont live in los angeles county, so couldnt vote for their da. as for ag, I didnt vote for any, didnt like any of them.
semp
edit: and who the hell is angel mom?
on the other hand, republicans in the southern states have some of the highest child mortality rates. they refused to help those children or make sure they grow up healthy. so letting them starve is better? letting them grow up uneducated is better?
if they would really understand that all life is precious, a lot less children would die before age 1. be pro life, not pro birth.
semp
Actually you could vote in any election in California as your state prohibits asking for voter ID “in most cases”.
Didn’t vote or write-in for an AG, guess you really don’t care that much about crime contrary to what you say…
An “Angel Mom”, the fact you haven’t answered that is all I need to know at this point.
Selective memory on your part. You don't remember the Pizza joint? FW was good at mentioning the pedo Dems.
on the other hand, republicans in the southern states have some of the highest child mortality rates. they refused to help those children or make sure they grow up healthy. so letting them starve is better? letting them grow up uneducated is better?
if they would really understand that all life is precious, a lot less children would die before age 1. be pro life, not pro birth.
semp
Parents are responsible for their children. If you can't support children, don't have them. Don't be a burden to other people.Responsibility for one's actions is out of their wheelhouse. They pray at the altar of hedonism.
I would say it is your selective memory. I was stating what I have seen and you were stating whatever you remembered at the time.
Russia and China are laughing at you all.
The Saudis just despise you all.
Switzerland?
Russia and China are laughing at you all.
The Saudis just despise you all.
Switzerland?
Without us they all collapse.
Parents are responsible for their children. If you can't support children, don't have them. Don't be a burden to other people.
In most cases, a California voter is not required to show identification to a polling place worker before casting a ballot.
https://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/voting-resources/voting-california/what-bring
The rest of all your conjecture has me cracking up, I have IBS please don’t make me laugh so much, it hurts my abdomen.
More that MSM won’t cover:
Drug traffickers in California who were arrested last week for being in possession of 150,000 fentanyl pills — were released back onto the streets, officials said.
The Tulare County Sheriff’s Office received a court order releasing both suspects from custody on their own recognizance.
Although Sheriff Boudreaux strongly disagrees with the release of these individuals as a matter of public safety, the court order release must be followed.
https://eastcountytoday.net/chp-says-150000-fentanyl-pills-found-in-car-after-traffic-stop-in-in-tulare-county/
Nothing to see here, please move along…
next time you post a link read more than the first paragraph.
semp
weird, that was all over the news here. what is msm? guess our news stations aren't msm.
semp
Did anyone listen to Cassidy Hutchinson's testimony today? How any of you can still support the ex is problematic.
After watching the collapse of the nation since potato head took charge. The same goes for anyone who still support the present administration
Eagler
:rofl
CNN, MSNBC, ABC….?
Did anyone listen to Cassidy Hutchinson's testimony today? How any of you can still support the ex is problematic.
I think you make up 10% of the audience at this point :rofl
I think you make up 10% of the audience at this point :rofl
Did anyone listen to Cassidy Hutchinson's testimony today? How any of you can still support the ex is problematic.
Did you watch the rebuttal? Oh wait...never mind, there's only one side.
trump is welcome to go give his side of the story. his children already did along with many people close to trump. wonder if I missed their rebuttal.
semp
Did you watch the rebuttal? Oh wait...never mind, there's only one side.
Remember Trump once said using the 5th is an admission of guilt.
don't know, I don't watch those. I do have a nice choice of several independent stations. that's one thing about living here, plenty of choice.
semp
:headscratch:
Thus, as I said and the OP subject, something you won’t find in your mainstream media.
Did you watch the rebuttal? Oh wait...never mind, there's only one side.
The witness, Cassidy Hutchinson, who had been an aide to Trump’s chief of staff, Mark Meadows, didn’t even witness the events she recounted firsthand. She claimed that Tony Ornato, the White House deputy chief of staff for operations, told her about what had happened after Trump’s Jan. 6 speech.
Hearsay, no rebuttal required.
And when Ornato confirms what she said is true, what will you say. Also if what she said is not true, why was she allowed to say it?
The witness, Cassidy Hutchinson, who had been an aide to Trump’s chief of staff, Mark Meadows, didn’t even witness the events she recounted firsthand. She claimed that Tony Ornato, the White House deputy chief of staff for operations, told her about what had happened after Trump’s Jan. 6 speech.
Hearsay, no rebuttal required.
Glad you asked. It's a 'show trial'. It pretends to be an investigation but it's purpose is to create a narrative to influence the next election.
There is also a story about lunging for the limo wheel that the driver and lead agent swear is not true. But you won't see the rebuttal.
If you lived in a different age, you would have supported Hitler.
I thought you were pro life.
semp
When does potato head and son star in their perry mason knock off...
https://youtu.be/SWzpFwWd95U
If the left is able to play ironsides, the right should be able to expose corrupt joe and family
Then we can move on to skeletor and all the others on both sides of our disturbing corrupt government
All for exposing all of them...but this tds is just that if they don't
Eagler
Yes treasonous actions by him as vp
You can't buy access to the white house by getting communist countries to hire your unqualified son for millions of dollars
At least there should be the televised witch hunt we have ensured for the last 4 years as the left struggles with their serve case of tds
The fact trump helped expose their corruption is priceless as it was just what the slime in dc were paranoid about starting way back in 2016...and it continues to this day..
Eagler
Gas for $2, no new wars, best minority employment numbers, prison reform, low priced insulin, rule of law. Oh the horror. :D
Biden doesn't set the price of petrol.
https://www.tampabay.com/opinion/2020/10/23/a-chart-of-unemployment-under-trump-and-obama-tells-quite-a-tale-column/
Employment numbers built on Obama's success.
insilin is still very expensive compared to other countries, https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/cost-of-insulin-by-country
Yes he sure believed in rule of law. :rofl re the coup attempt.
Biden raised the price of Insulin. Try to keep up.
I watched. Enjoying the mounting evidence.
Yes, Biden immediately removed Trumps Insulin policies and prices sky rocketed. Big pharma was not a fan of Trumps price controls. Of course the left will never give Trump the benefit. I over heard a black vet the other day talking about how Trump made his life so much better because of the policies he created for the VA and the changes they made. It made me smile. The left will never give him credit.
Let's look at gas prices. Biden is directly responsible. There's a reason why Trump was able to get it so cheap.
It's hilarious to me that the clowns here will defend a 40 year corrupted politician over a guy who spent 4 years in government as the president who did really great things for Americans. Far more Americans are suffering today because of Biden and his idiots running the country for him.
The VA. Are you talking about what Trump claims he did and what Obama actually did which Trump claimed he did.
Oil prices are not set by the Prez.
Trump's abysmal response to covid help create the mess today.
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Oil prices are not set by the Prez.
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Oil prices went up his first week in office after his first act was shutting down the Keystone pipeline. His Energy Secretary hates fossil fuels and wants to shut down the oil industry to save the earth. You don't think that affects investment and production? The pipeline was shut down and what do you know, Soros and Gates own the railroads they have to use instead.
The United States currently has the lowest number of functioning refineries capable of producing gasoline, diesel, and jet fuel that we’ve seen since 2016, largely as a result of government policies. Industry analyst S&P Global Commodity Insights reports this week that our existing refineries are running at or very near maximum capacity, and the odds of any of the shuttered refineries coming back online are slim to none.
company that was building the keystone lx was planning to use pipe that was 10 years old and not properly stored, would have lead to some nasty leaks. I should know worked for a company that supplied some of that pipe years before.
also most of that oil was too be sold overseas. you can easily check that. that section of the pipeline would have created some nasty spills and contaminate water that would have affected a lot of people.
you don't believe me, look at the oil spills that have happened on the main line. imagine what would have happened with 10 year old pipe with damaged coating.
semp
There are companies now that have the technology to monitor these pipes and would notice any irregularities before they even started leaking. But you know, your "leaders" don't care about American economic growth because they want it to decline.
https://darkpulse.com/oil-gas/
I think it's to the point they can detect it in our blood...
Psst just about everything around you has plastic/oil in it
I think it's to the point they can detect it in our blood...
Oil is not going anywhere unless we are going back to log cabins and fireplaces
Eagler
Think it's time for HT to make a forum just for DJT admirers. Members only and only by application. Only qualification required... Applicants must believe all the un-corroborated accusations he threw out for four years. Remember, a President's most important job is to endorse hatred toward opponents, Muslims, Immigrants, Leftists ... oh an I almost forgot, his Vice-President. :rolleyes:
So why didn't your hero increase the refining capacity? That is where the bottleneck is.
It also should be noted that the USA oil reserve decreased under Trump.
Just be thankful of Gov subsidies to the oil industry.
The claim that oil prices had jumped from about $25 a barrel when Joe Biden became president to more than $61 a barrel now is FALSE. While prices have increased since Jan. 20, crude oil already was trading at more than $53 a barrel at that time.
When the pandemic crushed oil demand in 2020, some oil companies went out of business. Some small stripper wells — which account for a respectable amount of U.S. oil production — were permanently capped because of the bleak outlook. Some workers left the oil industry. As people went back to work, demand began to bounce back, but production lagged due to the aforementioned issues.
Following the production collapse of 2020, the U.S. has been playing catch up as demand recovered. Rising oil prices — in response to insufficient supplies — are the predominant reason for the surge in gasoline prices.
Your country’s going to hell in a hand basket
China and Russia do as they please and you talk about issues fabricated by a media that has bend superceded by the internet for facts.
Your media is in a death spiral and you believe hook line and sinker the dramas they spew.
Facts are irrelevant to your kind only dramas because your superficial lives demand it.
We were exporting oil then, now we're importing. The difference is a green energy policy that wants to shut down oil. Also a Democrat majority Congress blocked refilling the strategic reserve in the prior administration.
Psst just about everything around you has plastic/oil in itWell over 50% of a barrel is for fuel.
I think it's to the point they can detect it in our blood...
Oil is not going anywhere unless we are going back to log cabins and fireplaces
Eagler
we still exporting oil. i think around 40%.
semp
Well over 50% of a barrel is for fuel.
(https://miro.medium.com/max/980/0*OMXx1wtmaKrcQFEW)
That's because I daily drive 750CFM double pumper carburetor in a pickup truck
its all my fault guys, blame me.
Exporting less, importing less than we need. The price just went from $2 to $5 a gallon for gas why?
Exporting less, importing less than we need. The price just went from $2 to $5 a gallon for gas why?
World demand and production cut back during covid. Russian Ukraine aggression as well. Gouging by oil companies.
World demand and production cut back during covid. Russian Ukraine aggression as well. Gouging by oil companies.
That’s rich coming from a Brit. Have fun freezing your butt off this winter
And when Ornato confirms what she said is true, what will you say. Also if what she said is not true, why was she allowed to say it?
And when Tony Ornato says it’s not true, what then? Sources close to Ornato and Engel say they will testify and will not corroborate her claims.
Why was she allowed to say it?? Idk maybe she’s part of this whole orchestrated charade…
What’s the next planted and planned“bombshell”?
White House climate advisor Gina McCarthy bragged at the Aspen Ideas Festival two weeks ago that fossil fuel workers are “losing jobs” on President Joe Biden’s watch.
Good thing that doesn't affect the price of gas.
By regulating every aspect of the business.
Which ones and how long have they existed?
that's what they said when the first keystone pipeline was built. turned out it wasn't true. 383k gallons spilled just a couple of years ago.
what do you think would have happened with those 10 year old pipe? and all for what, oil that mostly is sold overseas.
semp
"Green energy" employs more people than the' oil industry' and is growing.
A 100 years ago the harness worker was a dying industry as horses were being replaced by motor vehicles. Horse toejam street cleaners were disappearing.
My issue is that they are using gment to try to hurt one industry while at the same time promote another industry, rather than allow the market to choose what it wants. If electric and solar were all that great right. People would be dropping it all to go get them. But no, they have to make policy to hurt one industry causing massive price hikes on citizens, that hurt poorer citizens the most, while pushing electric and solar and wind that aren't strong enough to sustain a population or strong enough to fight the elements causing a lot of expense in repairs that also hurt the poorer citizens.
My issue is that they are using gment to try to hurt one industry while at the same time promote another industry, rather than allow the market to choose what it wants. If electric and solar were all that great right. People would be dropping it all to go get them. But no, they have to make policy to hurt one industry causing massive price hikes on citizens, that hurt poorer citizens the most, while pushing electric and solar and wind that aren't strong enough to sustain a population or strong enough to fight the elements causing a lot of expense in repairs that also hurt the poorer citizens.
Tig you do know that gas stations were very few and far between back in the day.
Yep, before there were gas stations you'd actually stop by the blacksmith's shop for gas haha.
I'm not saying green energy doesn't have potential, but it definitely needs dramatic improvements to be implemented on the scale everyone's talking about.
Shoot, if I lived at the turn of the 20th century (around the year 1900), I'd probably be skeptical of petroleum power too! I just need to see that it's a valid solution before I commit everything. I prefer to be sensible.
Tig just run right out and buy a model s... wtf man, save the planet reeeeeeeee!
This is true. Our country has actually lost sight of true capitalism and the sense of freedom intended by the Founding Fathers. The power was meant to be distributed to states, cities, etc, NOT the federal government. This is exactly why the Founding Fathers wrote the Constitution, to prevent this from happening.
But now I meet people regularly who say the Constitution is outdated.
Yeah, great, get rid of the document that is literally the foundation for our country. Once that happens politicians can do literally anything they want without consequences.
P.S "people I meet that think this"- there's this thing called amendments that was built into the Constitution. There's no valid reason for it to be outdated when the states can literally add amendments and ratify them.
Which also raises the question- If people are saying the Constitution is outdated, then so are its amendments. Are they saying that the 15th and 19th amendments are outdated? Because those are the ones that allow women and colored people to vote. I think I might use that next time someone tells me the Constitution is outdated. Turn the tables on them. :neener:
:rofl :rofl
I'm 16 years old and kind of broke reeeeeeeeeee! :rofl
Devastating new scoop. New footage to be shown tomorrow in the Jan 6 proceedings.
https://twitter.com/NautPoso/status/1542320284216299526?s=20&t=b8avpSUUHubEr2LeaU_Ycg
Every trendy fad is suspect. Pro tip: If it's subsidized it's a scam.
Darkpulse is brand new cutting edge technology. They also own a drone company to monitor as well and their companies are currently working on Yellowstone to mitigate the flooding over there. We are coming to a time where we will know immediately if infrastructure, pipelines, ect are about to fail before they actually do.
is it being used in the main keystone pipeline?
semp
Not yet as it's a really new company. I expect they will be getting contracts for pipelines though in the future.
So the oil and farming are scams?
😆 🤣
More breaking footage released as well!
https://mobile.twitter.com/PapiTrumpo/status/1541937891198345221
Think it's time for HT to make a forum just for DJT admirers. Members only and only by application. Only qualification required... Applicants must believe all the un-corroborated accusations he threw out for four years. Remember, a President's most important job is to endorse hatred toward opponents, Muslims, Immigrants, Leftists ... oh an I almost forgot, his Vice-President. :rolleyes:
and that hall monitor guy.:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
It’s be much more efficient to create a TDS forum for you, Milo, and that hall monitor guy. Then all of the threads that have zero to do with DJT would be coherent, productive and half in length :aok
company been around for decades. as for their technology, it seems iffy.
semp
No, the owner has owned the "company" since 1989.
It’s be much more efficient to create a TDS forum for you, Milo, and that hall monitor guy. Then all of the threads that have zero to do with DJT would be coherent, productive and half in length :aok
This is true. Our country has actually lost sight of true capitalism and the sense of freedom intended by the Founding Fathers.
That is 3 decades, so yes around for decades.
And yet most of the drivel that comes from you contains implicit support for DJT and explicit disparaging tone for anything you consider to be liberal.
If you say so Jussie.
How does your response address my post in any way? Wouldn’t you, Milo and the forum’s patrolman like to have your own place to bash DJT endlessly without contradiction?
And yet most of the drivel that comes from you contains implicit support for DJT and explicit disparaging tone for anything you consider to be liberal.
Could you please reference the section of the Constitution that mentions "capitalism"... or in any of the writings of the Framers?commie ehh?
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
Only if you right wing radicals start to open your minds to the mounting evidence against him.
Not in that particular industry and he was the only employee which is the point. Anyone can "own" a sole proprietorship.
commie ehh?
“Fundamentally transform the United States.”
Those seedlings are now trees:
One Army captain tweeted after the ruling came down, “I’m supposed to defend this country?” The tweet was later deleted...
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/06/30/woke-service-members-question-loyalty-to-country-after-overturn-of-roe-v-wade/
Could you please reference the section of the Constitution that mentions "capitalism"... or in any of the writings of the Framers?
The framers/founders were big on freedom and, for the most part, owning your own stuff and being free to do with it what you want. Free markets. But the word "capitalism" wasn't around much until about 100 years later.
The Constitution doesn't name everything that you are free to do. It is more based around naming the things the federal government does, and everything not named is reserved to the states or the people.
Some quotes:
John Adams:
"Each individual of the society has a right to be protected…in the enjoyment of his life, liberty, and property...no part of the property of any individual can, with justice, be taken from him, or applied to public uses, without his own consent."
Thomas Jefferson, First Inaugural Address, March 4, 1801
“A wise and frugal government… shall restrain men from injuring one another, shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government.”
James Madison, Essay on Property, 1792
“Government is instituted to protect property of every sort; as well that which lies in the various rights of individuals, as that which the term particularly expresses. This being the end of government, that alone is a just government which impartially secures to every man whatever is his own.”
And so on.
if you look back at the thread, he's replying to somebody mentioning capitalism and founding fathers.
semp
Yes, that's what I'm talking about, too.
sure breibart a true source of news. I would rather watch oan with no volume. they have hot girls there.
semp
There are twitter captures of these military members, err Russian bots, questioning their oaths, this country and their duty they swore to uphold over abortion being handed to the individual states to do as their constituents prefer.
You’d of course have to read the article and watch the video…
And after Busher just got done calling conservatives/Republicans closed minded…
you can't answer a question?commie ehh?
semp
The framers/founders were big on freedom and, for the most part, owning your own stuff and being free to do with it what you want. Free markets. But the word "capitalism" wasn't around much until about 100 years later.
The Constitution doesn't name everything that you are free to do. It is more based around naming the things the federal government does, and everything not named is reserved to the states or the people.
Some quotes:
John Adams:
"Each individual of the society has a right to be protected…in the enjoyment of his life, liberty, and property...no part of the property of any individual can, with justice, be taken from him, or applied to public uses, without his own consent."
Thomas Jefferson, First Inaugural Address, March 4, 1801
“A wise and frugal government… shall restrain men from injuring one another, shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government.”
James Madison, Essay on Property, 1792
“Government is instituted to protect property of every sort; as well that which lies in the various rights of individuals, as that which the term particularly expresses. This being the end of government, that alone is a just government which impartially secures to every man whatever is his own.”
And so on.
fify
Biden adviser calls high gas prices part of the "Liberal World Order."
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/06/future-liberal-world-order-stand-firm-biden-advisor-asked-tell-americans-cant-afford-high-gas-prices-video/
You guys are too funny, you believe DT tried to grab the steering wheel from ~15 feet away and a divider (with no video or audio) yet you don’t believe a self made video this idiot Sgt. was willing to post herself…
commie ehh?
Appears to at least ten feet.
https://medium.com/exploring-history/13-incredible-features-inside-the-presidents-limo-5a9daa75432d
is it being used in the main keystone pipeline?
semp
well in that case Capitalism has been around for hundreds of years before we became a country
Sorry, took so long.. was away. No not communist ... more of a liberal socialist.
I believe this did not occur in the limo. It was in one of the SUV.
I hear a lot of how keystone being canceled is one of the factors in high gas prices. Fact! It was a make work project as it was canceled a year or 2 before in Canada, so tell me exactly how it could be a reason when it would have been a pipeline to a dead end with no product to move?
It did t happen at all.
Video proof.
https://twitter.com/NautPoso/status/1542320284216299526?s=20&t=b8avpSUUHubEr2LeaU_Ycg
It did t happen at all.
Maybe such information is on the way.
There are twitter captures of these military members questioning their oaths, this country and their duty they swore to uphold over abortion being handed to the individual states to do as their constituents prefer.
You’d of course have to read the article and watch the video…
And after Busher just got done calling conservatives/Republicans closed minded…
Keystone Pipeline phases 1, 2, 3a, and 3b are already complete. It transfers up to 700,000 barrels of oil per day. It transfers oil from Canada to the US, but also from places in US to other places in US.
The part that was cancelled is Phase 4. That would increase capacity to 800,000 barrels/day but more importantly add ability to get oil from the huge US Bakken Formation and get it to distribution places in the US.
If phase 4 were done, would it reduce gasoline price by much? Who knows?
most of that oil is sold overseas. we have plenty of oil now, what we don't have is refineries. because well they're making a killing anyway, why reopen the others.
Hutchinson’s testimony has drawn public attention. But I think it’s misunderstood. The significance is not whether Trump skirmished with the agents in the SUV. It is that Trump was furious that the agents would not take him to the Capitol, where he was planning to join in the protest by what — according to Hutchinson — the former president knew was an armed mob, one he had just implored to “fight” for him (his lip-service caveats about “peaceful” protest notwithstanding).
But it needs to be public and under oath.
There are two ways if that doesn't happen:
1. Refutation is fake.
2. Refutation is true, but the refuters aren't called in.
So the oil and farming are scams?
hen-President Donald Trump angrily demanded to go to the US Capitol on January 6, 2021, and berated his protective detail when he didn't get his way, according to two Secret Service sources who say they heard about the incident from multiple agents, including the driver of the presidential SUV where it occurred.
most of that oil is sold overseas. we have plenty of oil now,
what we don't have is refineries.
because well they're making a killing anyway, why reopen the others.
How do you know that?
I understand reasonable skepticism, but you seem to be stating that with absolute confidence.
Hutchinson was only conveying what she had been told. I'd like to see testimony under oath of the agent who was driving before making a final judgement.
Would you agree that would be a reasonable step?
Perhaps the ss agents willing to testify so?
Price of crude oil:
(https://fred.stlouisfed.org/graph/fredgraph.png?g=Refb)
US refinery production:
https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=MTTRX_NUS_1&f=M
Might be both cost of crude increasing and production decreasing, not just one or the other.
Maybe. But the total profit is volume x price, not just price.
If refining isn't a monopoly, I think that if a business could quickly and an inexpensively get more production on line, they would do it. Their volume and profit would go up a lot. But it takes a large amount of time and money to build a refinery. A business has to look at what the situation will be 5-10 years from now, and the for the next 20 years after that -- not just the current condition.
People don't seem to have the same feelings toward cattle ranchers and meat-packing plants as toward oil companies and refining. Yet beef prices today are 100% higher than in 2018 ( https://tradingeconomics.com/commodity/beef ).
Well, I'll withhold final judgement until I see the driver's testimony under oath.
I haven't seen that yet. Have you?
that's why I won't trust
Everything is agenda and propaganda these days.
It's all bigger factions wrestling over brainwashing the plebeians.
your link shows as of march production is less than last year. a lot less than 2018 or even 2008.
semp
Oh come on.
Oh come on. Surely you can see there is reasonable justification to be skeptical of a political appointees testimony when self-interest and allegiance are involved.
The driver may decide to lie too, but if I have to take the word of anyone in that SUV, I'll gamble that a line SS agent has the least skin in the game and would be least likely to lie to protect Trump.
Hey you know I asked a captain of the Gambino family if their bosses had ever done anything illegal and he said absolutely not. So I guess they are clean. ;)
Yep.
But I'm skeptical of the whole thing.
To me, Jan 6 is political theater, that will avoid the majority of the most-important issues.
remember during the Clinton investigation the secret service went to court to stop agents from testifying? I know they saw something, they must have.
Are you old enough to remember how many Republican's said the same thing about Watergate? Was Watergate just political theater?
In my opinion this whole Jan6 debacle is SEVERAL orders of magnitude worse than Watergate.
Yes, but today we have weaponized far better tools of propaganda. And today everyone -- reporters, news agencies, politicians, government departments, corporations, people in general -- are ardent partisans.
Me, too.
But there are two camps.
One believes there was no stolen election, that Trump whipped up his supporters to violence, and that Jan 6 was an attempted overthrow of the government.
Another believes that there was a stolen election, that Trump told his supporters to protest peacefully, and that Jan 6 was a protest that got out of hand -- in part thanks to Fed provocateurs.
Neither camp will convince the other no matter what they say or what evidence they show.
Same as with the Kennedy assassination.
One group believes that Oswald, acting on his own, killed Kennedy. That was the conclusion of the official investigation. That is what is taught in schools.
Another group believes it was a CIA and/or mob plot, with Oswald as a tool.
Yes, but today we have weaponized far better tools of propaganda. And today everyone -- reporters, news agencies, politicians, government departments, corporations, people in general -- are ardent partisans.
Me, too.
But there are two camps.
Well, I'll withhold final judgement until I see the driver's testimony under oath.You won't because the kangaroo court refuses to call them. Shame pelosi blocked Rep house leaders from picking who'd sit in on the show trial.
I haven't seen that yet. Have you?
sure a captain would do that. and somebody just happened to capture it. I am more inclined to believe steve bannor did not steal all that money from the wall.
btw if you want I can send you screen shots of an army general asking my wife for her phone number on Facebook.
semp
You won't because the kangaroo court refuses to call them. Shame pelosi blocked Rep house leaders from picking who'd sit in on the show trial.
Pelosi rejected 2 of the five Republican members McCarthy submitted because they already had information that those individuals would likely be persons of interest in the investigation. Obviously that would not be appropriate to have them on the committee itself. McCarthy withdrew the other 3 himself.
I'm not aware the commission has blocked the testimony of the SS agent driver. Do you have a legitimate source reference for that information?
Don't let facts get in the way of truth for some people. :D
Also, Trump blames McCarthy for not have more Repubs on the panel.
I wonder how many SS agents LBJ lunged at :rofl. Probably a monthly occurrence.
I'm not aware the commission has blocked the testimony of the SS agent driver. Do you have a legitimate source reference for that information?
I wonder how many TVs Trump has destroyed while watching the J6 hearings.
https://www.tiktok.com/@rahasenfratz/video/7107604349534178602
This is the Sgt. Have you watched it yet, you know since it her TikTok acct and not on Breitbart?
The Army Capt mentioned in my post is the beginning of the article I linked, you would know that if you read the link.
Why would it be inconceivable that an Army General would ask you wife for her #? :headscratch:
Correction. I think they knew they were going to need to subpoena Jordan. So that would be kinda awkward to have him on the committee.
Banks is just a loon of the MTG variety. He was even sending letters around claiming to already be on the committee. :rolleyes:
The other 3 were acceptable and McCarthy could have replaced the other two if he wanted Republicans representation. Pelosi had the authority to veto any or all of McCarthy's submissions if she pleased.
Perseverating on the past helps you ignore and provide cover for how abysmal the current administration is; good tactic or else you might take to drink just to sleep at night.
because the army general was a scammer. seen lots of scammers outthere using real pictures.
but sure tiktock is different then again I never go there.
semp
Your choice but, if you won’t look at facts don’t claim they are false.
Yah Biden could be doing a better job BUT the Repubs have said they will block EVERYTHING Biden tries to do. Your hero wouldn't have done any better and helped make the crisis' Biden has to deal with.
remember during the Clinton investigation the secret service went to court to stop agents from testifying? I know they saw something, they must have.
now you have 2 agents willing to testify. weird.
now the lady just testified to hearsay. who knows if it's true or not.
I just find it curious that ss would allow them to testify.
semp
It's always been that way. Not only in America's history, but across the history of the human race. If you saw some of the inflammatory journalism from before the Civil War or even the early days of political campaign, it would make todays media look tame.
It doesn't matter. People are entitled to their own opinions, but not their own reality. Eventually reality isn't subjective. Things claimed either happened or they didn't. People may decide never admit it, but that doesn't change reality.
I held back judgement at first claims of fraud because even though I despise Trump, I'd be one of the first locked and loaded on the barricades if there had actually been a hacked election. Not to defend Trump, but to defend the system. However it became obvious pretty quickly there was no there there. In none of the 60 court cases Trump filed did his attorney even claim voter fraud had occurred. You can claim what ever you want on the DailyStormer forums, but not even Guliani had the nerve to look a federal judge in the face and lie in court. Guliani admitted directly in several cases that he was alleging no fraud. Despite saying completely different crap on faux news.
In my opinion the Trumpers we are dealing with today are just a re-hashed version of the John Birchers that William F. Buckley had to stand up against in the 60's. Sadly, I see few of his stature in the Conservative movement today. Today, the John Birchers have taken over the Republican party and Conservatives who know better have either retired, left the party, or decided to deal with the Devil to get another tax cut.
BTW, up until 2016 I had been a Republican leaning independent who had voted Republican since Reagan. At this point I don't think the Republican party can be salvaged. The rot has gotten in too deep. I think it needs to split.
:rofl :rofl :rofl
1/20/2021 - Biden’s first day. Not one of these “crisis’” existed.
You do know it’s 2022???
Remember that time the journalist who exposed the Bill Clinton Loretta Lynch Tarmac meeting "committed suicide'. I wonder why he did that? One of many who also didn't make it to the testimony...
You are simply blind and naive and not very good with #s and statistics if you actually think there was no cheating during this election. The dead voters don't vote for themselves..... that alone is fraud and negeligence and its undisputed. That alone sheds mistrust in the actual integrity of elections. It's just amazing to me that you can actually take yourself seriously writing such a thing. I think you are actually scared to admit it to yourself that there is BS going on with the current system. I can't take anyone serious who actually thinks there wasn't clear voter malfeasance and negligence in select cities to change the results at 4am. Americans are paying the price for it now. Thanks! I hope yall are proud of what the MSM and corrupt intellegnece agencies, and the courts who immediately threw out cases without looking at thousands of testimony allowed to happen to the citizens of this country. The good news is, you will have to cheat 10xs harder to beat Trump this Time and its not gonna happen. Republicans will own all 3 branches of government and America will prosper again while the left bit"ches and cries every day.
You are simply blind and naive and not very good with #s and statistics if you actually think there was no cheating during this election.
Trump's abysmal covid response.
So take your evidence into a federal court and get a conviction.
Until then, it's all just Reptilian Inter-Dimensional Child Molester Q-Anon horse pucky.
Prove it in court, not internet forms.
Hurr hurr! I'm leaving that up to the men and woman who swore to protect America and the constitution, but it seems to many of their leaders are too glad to watch their country turn into a corrupt trash dump like Portland was. What a disgrace.
Show me your facts that Biden’s Covid response has been better please.
Biden had to deal with the sickness Trump started like no masks and no vaccinations by his cultists.
Look north to see a good response.
:rofl
I see no facts as you purported yourself to have.
Biden had to deal with the sickness Trump started like no masks and no vaccinations by his cultists.
Look north to see a good response.
Mark Meadows’ associate threatened ex-White House aide
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/first-thing-mark-meadows-associate-threatened-ex-white-house-aide/ar-AAZ3xpd?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=d77445ebf7b84f06899e60da80988707
Hurr hurr! I'm leaving that up to the men and woman who swore to protect America and the constitution, but it seems to many of their leaders are too glad to watch their country turn into a corrupt trash dump like Portland was. What a disgrace.
It's always been that way.
People are entitled to their own opinions, but not their own reality. Eventually reality isn't subjective. Things claimed either happened or they didn't. People may decide never admit it, but that doesn't change reality.
However it became obvious pretty quickly . . .
Every person has his own reality, and facts increasingly don't matter. People don't make up their minds through logical argument and facts. They make up their minds based on emotion and how things fit with their already established views. Then they argue why their views are correct.
I held back judgement at first claims of fraud because even though I despise Trump, I'd be one of the first locked and loaded on the barricades if there had actually been a hacked election. Not to defend Trump, but to defend the system. However it became obvious pretty quickly there was no there there. In none of the 60 court cases Trump filed did his attorney even claim voter fraud had occurred. You can claim what ever you want on the DailyStormer forums, but not even Guliani had the nerve to look a federal judge in the face and lie in court. Guliani admitted directly in several cases that he was alleging no fraud. Despite saying completely different crap on faux news.
for a trial to start, you need proof, you don't have any, it's a waste of time.
RotBaron, what would you do to 'fix' what is happening around the World, and in the USofA?
You need evidence, and the trail process examines that and arguments and decides which party prevails.
There are a variety of reasons for a court rejecting a case:
-- Lack of standing. (I.e., this plaintiff can't sue in this jurisdiction or court.)
-- Past a time limit.
-- Improper paperwork.
-- Requested damages that are too large for given claims.
-- Allegations that are not illegal.
-- Lack of compelling evidence.
When a court rejects a case, that doesn't prove whether the allegations are true or false.
I could have a 1000 pages of facts and you wouldn't believe any of it.
That’s going to take a bit, I’ll need to start a list I can add to on another device. The world will take longer than the US.
You are convinced that there was no voting fraud.
I wonder how many TVs Trump has destroyed while watching the J6 hearings.
This guy actually thinks Biden won while losing 200 less counties than Obama while getting more of the black vote than Obama. How stupid and naive can you be?
You do realize that not all counties have the same population density, right?
Maybe Trump's ballots were vaporized with the Jewish space laser?
Maybe the interdimensional reptilians hacked the voting machines?
When do you file your court case? Keep us updated, Sparky. :aok
You do realize that not all counties have the same population density, right?
Maybe Trump's ballots were vaporized with the Jewish space laser?
Maybe the interdimensional reptilians hacked the voting machines?
When do you file your court case? Keep us updated, Sparky. :aok
Who said anything about that? Why can't you acknowledge 2000 mules. Why can't you acknowledge mathematical statistical evidence by dozens of statisticians?
You need evidence, and the trail process examines that and arguments and decides which party prevails.
There are a variety of reasons for a court rejecting a case:
-- Lack of standing. (I.e., this plaintiff can't sue in this jurisdiction or court.)
-- Past a time limit.
-- Improper paperwork.
-- Requested damages that are too large for given claims.
-- Allegations that are not illegal.
-- Lack of compelling evidence.
When a court rejects a case, that doesn't prove whether the allegations are true or false.
Why can't you take your case to court?
The two pos that murdered my brother got very different results. One sits in prison life no parole while the other was acquitted. Different judges, different juries and many what if’s sigh.
Good question
My belief is
They have no idea how variable the legal system is. They think it's nearly impossible for judges and lawyers to be inept or biased.
and why were most of the cases thrown out?
Two things:
1. You don't need -- and often don't have -- proof of allegations to go to trial. A vital part of trials is discovery, where you get data and depositions by court order. You can't get that beforehand.
2. A court rejection of a case says nothing about whether the allegations are true or false. Because there was no discovery. And no trial.
For your question, I'm not going to spend 100 hours to find every case and dig it out of a court system. But for ones mentioned in the news, the two most-common reasons seem to be lack of standing and insufficient evidence.
---- Lack of Standing ----
Lack of standing means, even if you have lots of evidence and were wronged, the court says it doesn't have jurisdiction. Often that is appropriate. But there can be situations where you did get screwed over, and a circle of courts passes the buck.
Like the automated-help loop: "Press 1 to get help with your platypus. Press 2 for help with your phone account." You press 2. "Press 1 if you need help with food for your platypus. Press 2 for other items." You press 2. "Press 1 if you need help with toys for your platypus. Press 2 to go back to the main menu."
---- Insufficient Evidence ----
Here, a judge deems your evidence too weak to start the process of trial, discovery, etc. This is a way to reduce frivolous law suits. Often, judges err on the side of allowing suits. Like the McDonald's hot-coffee case, Lindsay Lohan's case against E*Trade over a talking baby in an ad, and so on.
In the Trump cases, the courts went for a high bar. OK, but then you can get a Catch 22 situation. You can't get stronger evidence without discovery. You can't get discovery without stronger data.
Both lack of standing and insufficient evidence are often noncontroversial. But they are also tools you can use to stonewall someone. Things like sloppy paperwork or time limits are much less subject to personal opinion and don't much lead to controversy.
Court trials aren't perfect but they are a far better crucibles of fact than internet forums.
All the "suspicious" stats? Let me simplify that for you. You wanted your guy to win. He didn't win, therefore something must be fishy.
I'm not obligated to prove the negative case.
You're obligated to prove the affirmative case.
We should assume the negative (there was no large scale systemic vote manipulation), until you have proven the affirmative assertion.
Until you've done that, it's all just internet conspiracy retardedness. Reptilians and Jewish space lasers. Secret servers in Italy. :rolleyes:
So your telling me
But I don't have any obligation.
I think that would be bad. If a country's citizens operated that way, without any skepticism, it would be too easy to corrupt. There would be no corrective force of opposition to anything.
wouldn't part of discovery be . . .
take your pick, you need proof that thousands of people perhaps tens or hundreds of thousands were part of the conspiracy.
what you call discovery is just an excuse for the lack of proof. you can request all that info or find it on the internet.
Sorry. When I said "you" I was referring to the collective "you", not Brookes personally.
What I have a problem with is when people claim this election was stolen and Biden is not the duly elected President. If you make that claim, you better be proving it in a court of law and not just throw that watermelon around on the internet.
You claim vote fraud and have a signed affidavit of a person who witnessed workers carrying in a bunch of fake ballots and running them through the machine. That still might get rejected as insufficient evidence. But let's say a judge let's it proceed.
Now you can do discovery. You ask for video of the area inside and out, you ask for video from neighboring businesses, you depose the person who allegedly did it, you might ask for phone records, bank statements, emails, you depose everyone else around who might have seen it, you ask for records from the machine that show what votes came in when, you ask for the actual paper, you get an expert to testify whether or not those ballots are fake (such as never being folded, or wrong paper, or marks printed on a printer instead of being hand marked with a pen), if you find suspicious phone call or e-mail or check, you depose folks associated with that, and so on.
If none of that shows anything, you are probably going to lose. But if it shows a bunch of stuff, now you have solid evidence.
No. Your claim might be that a bunch of votes at location A are fraudulent. You need to show compelling enough evidence of that. Could be you show that one person did pump in a bunch of fake ballots through the machine. You don't need to show every other aspect involved
If it weren't for covid the 4am orange tweeter would still be in the white house no doubt about it
Many on both sides did not want that
Timing is everything
Eagler
You and semp are fun to discuss with because you guys can handle it. You guys don't just get angry and start hurling insults around. :aok
Now we have the identity of Trump's primary speech writer. :rolleyes:
Just out of curiosity, who would you say fits the description of an angry insult hurler (or even not so angry) on this forum (with any political or perceived bias)?
Trump OCD is really strong with a few Canadians here, fascinating 🧐
Even the 50 miles of new wall is pretty impressive. I mean if you were to drive along the wall at 50 miles an hour it would take you an hour to get to the end of it. And they put 455 miles of new fencing up.
I don't get it. Are you complaining that Trump didn't get the wall completed? Because he sure as hell put a major effort into getting that completed and he was fought tooth and nail by Democrats. And now that Biden got in office he canceled building the wall and we have quadruple the number of illegal encounters that we had in previous years. Record numbers of illegal immigrants right now because of Biden and his policies.
But I don't get it, like I said. Are you upset that Trump didn't build the wall completely? I doubt it.
But the fact does remain that 455 + of new wall replacing decrepit old or non-existent wall was built. As soon as Biden got into office he canceled construction and allowed the materials rod out in the desert.
Sorry Semp. You must be on another planet if you think that Trump could have built the wall if you really wanted to. Because he really wanted to. You've got to be kidding?
The 455 miles of wall that was built replaced chicken wire and car barriers basically.
I suppose you're disappointed then that Biden canceled construction of the wall?
Just out of curiosity, who would you say fits the description of an angry insult hurler (or even not so angry) on this forum (with any political or perceived bias)?
I’ve asked him several times if he knows anything about Angel Moms, he’s clueless. Thus I’ve got to assume people who have entered the country illegally or overstayed illegally aren’t something he knows anything more than his liberal news has told him to believe.
take your pick, you need proof that thousands of people perhaps tens or hundreds of thousands were part of the conspiracy.
I’ve asked him several times if he knows anything about Angel Moms, he’s clueless. Thus I’ve got to assume people who have entered the country illegally or overstayed illegally aren’t something he knows anything more than his liberal news has told him to believe.
OK and how do you explain that the count matches the registered voters. the recount and spot check account also matches the registered voters, heck the ninja turtle audit found out biden was shortchanged.
but a pro trump person saw fake ballots that never showed up in audits.
but sure discovery which is used in different instances would have found out what? the italian satellite connection?
semp
didn't know we could throw insults.
brooke you look like zach. but smell worst.
semp
to you is a punch line, I've lost a son, a father and a brother. me and my youngest brother hate 4th of July, just because of fireworks. my nephew and son in law are in the airforce. rest of family, I tell them we done enough.
any mother that loses a kid is an angel family.
semp
That is horrible, and I'm so sorry for you and your family.
Many people think that if you have the truth on your side, a trial will happen, and you'll win.
They have no idea how variable the legal system is. They think it's nearly impossible for judges and lawyers to be inept or biased.
It doesn't happen to me in these discussions. Folks are very good to me here. Except for when Zack disparages my tastes in mustard, of course.
It happens sometimes between other folks, where things get a bit heated here and there.
I am sorry for the many of your losses and all the tremendous emotional pain that must cause you.
However, no it’s not a punch line to me. A friend buried her son because an illegal alien and his thugs robbed him, stabbed him and left him to die in a park. Does going to play basketball in a park really require a teenager to carry in order survive murderers who are here illegally? As if we don’t have enough American thugs.
What was the first thing that happened to them in the USA? They broke the law and faced zero consequences…try that in any other country.
An Angel Mom is what the bad orange man designated mother’s of children that have been killed by illegal “migrants”. It comes from Angel Mum, which is a woman that lost her child during pregnancy; since we don’t use that term here it’s apt.
Google will tell you it’s some right-wing concoction, well plenty from the other side have embraced the term and benefited from those who provide charitable services for these victims.
Nearest I can tell, the crimes committed against you are by US citizens and very unfortunate circumstances. But you are fully aware the ongoing epidemic of crimes committed by illegal aliens is almost totally and completely avoidable.
I don’t know why the kid that hit you while running a red light hasn’t been charged, certainly doesn’t make much sense. Only the DA and police can answer that however.
So my wife dying because of a us citizen, the 19 kids and 2 teachers dying because of a us citizen, hell today 6 got killed many wounded because of a us citizen are not as important.
But they don't fit the narrative of the evil, racist orange guy.
Hell he even say the only way to stop a bad man is a good guy with a gun, unless the good guy also gets shot by police. And not trying to crap on police.
A death is a death, no less painful or more because of citizenship.
But when you put politics into it, I have this anger, I know I have to let it go. But was my wife's death any less than angel mom?
Semp