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The O' Club / Re: 50 years ago

« Last post by Captain Virgil Hilts on Yesterday at 09:33:14 AM »

Quote from: bj229r on November 26, 2025, 06:34:36 AM

I'm thinking they recently send a robot thingie down there, did it ascertain the cause?

With well over 200' of the center of the ship destroyed, I doubt there will be anything conclusive. There will be theories and claims.

There were known issues. It is possible she hit bottom at Caribou Shoals, Bernie Cooper believed she did, and she was seriously damaged. There are claims a rock was retrieved from the Shoals with her paint on it. But there's no sold evidence. She was known to have structural issues, and a loose keel. She was loaded to a dangerous level. It was a "100 year storm". Bernie Cooper said a series of massive waves known as "the Three Sisters" common to the lake hit the Arthur M. Anderson, and would have hit the Edmund Fitzgerald hard. He always said he believed she just couldn't recover from them in her condition. She had lost her reserve buoyancy, she was in a trough, and the Three Sisters hit her from behind, her bow went under, and she never recovered. That was his theory, and it adds up.

The O' Club / Re: Just changed their minds..

« Last post by Captain Virgil Hilts on Yesterday at 09:24:10 AM »

If there were truly cost effective and efficient methods of producing electricity with solar or wind, there'd be people doing it and making money. In fact, if there were methods on the horizon, there'd be people investing more in R&D. The only reason anyone is even fooling with it right now is the subsidies and tax breaks. As far as it goes, as I stated up thread, the "by products" are extremely unfriendly to the environment, and there's no cost effective way to deal with them. Hell, they can't really do anything with EV batteries, they just have silly ways of trying to keep them "in use', once their extremely short and expensive life as a vehicle power source is over.

These ideas about "big oil" stopping wind and solar are like the conspiracy theories about "big oil" buying up "100 MPG carburetors", etc. Total crap.