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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: JunkyII on January 10, 2010, 07:19:07 AM
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I want to start a poll for best sticks in the game. Im gunna add them up to see who has the Majority vote....post 3 names to make it a better overall sample size :salute
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At doing what? Flying, or scoring?
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1. Stodd of course!!! :D
2.374785
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you should also include
best whiner
best cherry picker
best HO'r
best timid alt monky
best runner
best vulcher
best sheep thief
best buffer
best GV'r
best 5 inch gunner
did i miss any ?? probly :neener:
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To clarify......Best at using ACM
Not score.......Many sticks from the top 50 in Fighter score are easy kills in a 1v1 or when they arent hiding in the horde
:salute
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Grizz and Sunsfan deserve a spot up their, Batfink too.
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To clarify......Best at using ACM
Not score.......Many sticks from the top 50 in Fighter score are easy kills in a 1v1 or when they arent hiding in the horde
:salute
true score means diddly
for example i killed the top scoring guy in a f6f while i was in a Boston top fighter score in lw means you can vulch imo
i select in no particular order
based on how hard i work for kill or tried to stay alive
Greebo
Grizz his aim is deadly
Filth
sunsfan
lazer
akdogg
yucca
wmaker
these are the guys whom i love to fight
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+1
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Grizz his aim is deadly
true statement
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My list only contains players who are currently active in Aces High 2.
If I could only choose three players:
Grizz.
Bruv119.
Joey of TonyJoey.
If I could choose more than three players then the following names would be included:
BatfinkV.
Wmaker.
SkyRock.
DrBone.
Kermit.
Lazer.
Sunsfan.
Respect for the God like sticks which I've come across in days past.
Wilbuz.
ManeTMP/BluKitty.
Levi.
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If I could only choose three players:
Maybe we bump the number up to 10?
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Kappa
Grizz
Lute
sunsfan
Dogg
Yourself Junky
Wetrat
Agent360
AKRaven
Are the guys I have real good 1 vs 1's with... Im usually on the losing end in my bomber though.. one day ill start the k4... ;)
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Lazerr no K4 for you, I saw you flying a G14 in the Last KOTH and I dont think Aces High needs that type of animal flying around in the MA :D :salute
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jeez nobody ever names me in these things! :P
Kappa
Grizz
sunsfan
AKDogg
Lazer
Delerium
Twinboom
Agent360
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Ummm do I count for 'Best 234 dogfighter'? :)
Cmon, cmon...gimme some love. :joystick:
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s162/spikesx/Aces%20High%20II/ddddddd.png)
Grizz, suns, Del, Lazer are definitely up there on my list.
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The best pilots in the game are the one's who have the most fun .
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Ummm do I count for 'Best 234 dogfighter'? :)
Cmon, cmon...gimme some love. :joystick:
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s162/spikesx/Aces%20High%20II/ddddddd.png)
Grizz, suns, Del, Lazer are definitely up there on my list.
:rofl :rofl :rofl Nobody doubts how dweeby you are with your 234s :D :salute
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Grizz
SunsFan
SkyRock
Lazer
Kazaa
Delirium
WMLute
JunkyII
BatfinkV
Agent360
DrBone
...Are all at the top of my list :aok
Junky, would you mind making a thread "Top Noob Sticks Of Today"? I feel left out. :D
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Dude!!! you havnt been on in acouple days wtf!!!
Why would I need to make a noob thread for you not to be left out? I mean I may beat you 1 out of 5 if Im doing well. Heres mine
SunsFan
Grizz
SkyRock
Agent360
DrBone
Kazaa
Lazer--------------Axle
WMLute
SERaider
Krupnasty--------Whos this guy? :D :aok
:salute
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Many sticks from the top 50 in Fighter score are easy kills in a 1v1 or when they arent hiding in the horde
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About who you think? :uhoh
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About who you think? :uhoh
SkyRock already asked me this in another thread and I sent him a pm of one, I think almost everyone who has fought him in a even fight(if any) would have to agree with me ............................. ............................. ............................. ... and no the one I gave him didnt start with a P
:salute
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whos the best fighter whos the best gver whos the best bomber blah blah blah who cares all this does is stroke egos. this game will always have great sticks in it and the ones that are great dont need to be told because most of them are humble :salute
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whos the best fighter whos the best gver whos the best bomber blah blah blah who cares all this does is stroke egos. this game will always have great sticks in it and the ones that are great dont need to be told because most of them are humble :salute
Ill have to disagree with the "who cares" not because I want to be up here but I would like to fight them, and most of the names I already have. When I was a new guy to the game I thought the best sticks were the guys landing alot of kills in the MA, this however is not true most of them actually aviod fighting anyone.
This thread can be used by new guys to look up good sticks who may be able to help them out when none of the trainers are on, or they are in private lessons. I personally never spent time with a trainer which is my fault but I didnt think I needed to because I landed a decent amount of kills. Then I DAed SunsFan and saw I sucked and got some help. Call it stroking egos but I bet most of the players on these lists have helped more people then you have at getting better at this game.
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whos the best fighter whos the best gver whos the best bomber blah blah blah who cares all this does is stroke egos. this game will always have great sticks in it and the ones that are great dont need to be told because most of them are humble :salute
:airplane: Totally agree KIlz, this is really a silly thread, who cares who is best, we all know who the better sticks are. :joystick: And what I saw going on between three players on 200 last night tells me who the biggest dweebs in the game are all to do over the ownership of the oinkers name. :rolleyes:
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:airplane: Totally agree KIlz, this is really a silly thread, who cares who is best, we all know who the better sticks are. :joystick: And what I saw going on between three players on 200 last night tells me who the biggest dweebs in the game are all to do over the ownership of the oinkers name. :rolleyes:
Seems alittle off topic troll
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Seems alittle off topic troll
dont get all hot and worked up because he brought up a sore subject
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:rofl :rofl :rofl Nobody doubts how dweeby you are with your 234s :D :salute
I take pride. :)
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I want to start a poll for best sticks in the game. Im gunna add them up to see who has the Majority vote....post 3 names to make it a better overall sample size :salute
are you meaning the three highest scoring? or the three that people prefer to fight against?
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you should also include
best whiner
best cherry picker
best HO'r
best timid alt monky
best runner
best vulcher
best sheep thief
best buffer
best GV'r
best 5 inch gunner
did i miss any ?? probly :neener:
you realize 1 thorugh 5 are probably one and the same, right/? :banana: :neener:
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What ever happened to Moot? He would be up my list.
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oh this is a easy one.
1.Chalenge
2.Pacerr
3.that guy in the Jokers that thinks hes a sandwich
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Hmmm... from personal experience, either flying with or being killed by (and saying "DAYUM! How'd he do that!?!?"), in no particular order...
fighter skills / ACM / general uberness
Grizz
Lazerr
Batfink
Redtop
Sunsfan
Bruv
Kazaa
SkyRock
MtnMan
I'm sure there are many more I've never had the opportunity/misfortune of flying with/near...... and not that me being impressed is any huge accomplishment for your skillz! :lol
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5in gunner would be Vilkas. :old:
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Ive seen Sonicblu win 1v1 with most on the Lists ive seen so Im adding
Sonicblu
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in no particular order
Grizz
Suns
Dr Bone
Cactus
Del
Corky
Krup
Agent
Mtnman
Skyrock
Lazer
honorable mentions
the rest of AOM ( excluding myself) but irishone, hlbly, sunbat, thing, kappa, ink, etc etc all these names bring up great memories and great fights, as well as good friends
the rest of the 80th FS top notch group of furballers, keeping ACMs alive in bombers
Ardy and Junkyll great fights and good friends as well
sonicblu, strong 10, cap1, strokes, kermit,SEraider the list goes on but I've had some nasty run ins with these guys...great fights
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1.Bruv119
2.WMLute
3.Grizz
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Batfink I'll place a vote fore. Had a great 1 on 1 with him a while back (Spit 5 for me vs his Mossi) that is still one of my favorite fights I've ever had.
DrBone is pretty good as well
Anyone from the 80th Headhunters or SAPP when they get in a P-38. They always get me. :aok
Banshee7, Talon, The AA's, LINDY, B6Pacman, 707200, and a bunch of other guys are fairly good, along with everyones favorite uncle....unclkurt ;) :salute
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Corky always a fun fight
Del typically pretty fun...I am jealous of his aim
Agent is fun, havent ran into him in forever tho
DrBone has been a pleasure lately
Wmaker in that damn brewster...grr
Sunsfan is a handful in K4 (had a couple good G14 vs K4 fights with him)
actually hard to thing of good stick that I have fought lately, most of them fly on low numbers side like I do...or just different times
I miss seeing RumbleB in the skies, he was good fight.
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3.that guy in the Jokers that thinks hes a sandwich
I think I PMed that name to SkyRock :noid
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Delirium
Moot- Gone today though
Grizz
Skyrock
JB11
Batfinkv
I enjoy dueling these fellas at least.
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oh this is a easy one.
3.that guy in the Jokers that thinks hes a sandwich
He's an imposter.
My list.
1. Grizz
2. Agent360
3. Sunsfan
4. JunkyII
5.Skyrock
6. JB11
7. Lazer
8. Batfink
9. Delirium
10. Me of course :D
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best spie = BillyD
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Moot- Gone today though
Trying to get him back, currently.
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best spie = BillyD
If you're talkin bout that blonde wit da big hooties....yup I'm spyin on them
back to the discussion at hand
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Moot
Levi
Mane/blukitty
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The is no best pilot. You have good days and bad. You can be beaten at any moment by anyone.
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Definitely agreed on moot, Batfinkv and Grizz are always good fights.
edit:
Trying to get him back, currently.
Woohoo
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As far as I'm concerned most here know the top tier sticks.....
probably the deadliest I have come across of late and will endeavor to get better against is Grizz...only problem here is he doesn't play with his food..it's just BOOM ...head shot ...hahaha
of late fun fights
sunsfan
bipolar
lazer
junky
sunka
ardy
thing
bruv
JOC
Man... there are plenty of others...the list goes on oh yeah and that guy....you know....the worst player in the game....what's his name ? ? ? that's it gwurzel :D
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I think Grizz and TonyJoey make the top two, and if Tony still flew like he did in the summer, Tony would beat Grizz, more than Grizz can beat TonyJoey. But now I think it would be the other way around.
Don't forget about me! Just about everyone listed there I have beat in an even dual.
<S>
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Those who thump me at will:
Stang
Croft
Mtnman
Soulyss
YUCCA
Silat
Don't be offended if I left you off my list and I'm one of your favorite personal targets, it was painful to type in the names I did and I'm in a catatonic weeping state now.
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Silat, Soulyss? both of them are pathetic! :devil Stang is just a lewser. :D
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well this is hard, most on every one lists I have fought, and many of them were easy kills, excluding a few, and like some others have said, they could have been having a bad day, or I was having a good day.
my list of who I consider to be the best is as follows
sunsfan-extremly good at reversals
Grizz-best shot I ever seen, I think of him as "cool hand luke"
skyrock-very well versed in ACM
lazer-another one very good at ACM
Steve-Awesome energy fighter.
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I think Grizz and TonyJoey make the top two, and if Tony still flew like he did in the summer, Tony would beat Grizz, more than Grizz can beat TonyJoey. But now I think it would be the other way around.
Don't forget about me! Just about everyone listed there I have beat in an even dual.
<S>
just about :)
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The is no best pilot. You have good days and bad. You can be beaten at any moment by anyone.
QFT
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Grizz-best shot I ever seen, I think of him as "cool hand luke"
lol I think of him as that creepy serial killer from Silence of the Lambs
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As far as I'm concerned most here know the top tier sticks.....
probably the deadliest I have come across of late and will endeavor to get better against is Grizz...only problem here is he doesn't play with his food..it's just BOOM ...head shot ...hahaha
of late fun fights
sunsfan
bipolar
lazer
junky
sunka
ardy
thing
bruv
JOC
Man... there are plenty of others...the list goes on oh yeah and that guy....you know....the worst player in the game....what's his name ? ? ? that's it gwurzel :D
Yay, gets a mention.....errr, hold on a minute....... :t :D
Makes mental note, hunt Tongs :D
Wurzel
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danged double post :noid
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Grizz is such a 1$!@$#!@#ing good shot I often wonder if he is Fester's shade; Anytime one of the few planes he flies passes near me, and I'm still airborne, I KNOW that it isn't Grizz :)
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Drex
Levi
Nothing else matters but those two on Top and what Bipolar said.
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It's me, I'm the best peeelot.
/opposite day :D
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I haven't been here long so my opinion isn't worth a real lot but I need to put in a plug for one of my squadies, Gorkle just amazes me how he can clean up a furball.
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N7
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I see one name that should be on that list and that's kappa ..
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Voss
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Voss
:rofl
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BTW Happy Birthday Junky. :cheers:
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true score means diddly
for example i killed the top scoring guy in a f6f while i was in a Boston top fighter score in lw means you can vulch imo
i select in no particular order
based on how hard i work for kill or tried to stay alive
Greebo
Grizz his aim is deadly
Filth
sunsfan
lazer
akdogg
yucca
wmaker
these are the guys whom i love to fight
I like this list and that is not to downplay many many other sticks who are most worthy. Greebo always stands out. I admire the guy duking it out with spits are anything in his f6. He does not die easy. Filth doesn't fly as much as he use to. However, if you fly against him you realize you have your hands full. He often fights with inferior planes, i.e P40. He gets many many <S> after battle.
You can add Delirium and Kappa. Both deadly with the p38.
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kazaa
kazaa
kazaa
Nuff said. If any of you are thinking yea right only in a Spit, then you are gravely mistaken. He routinely kills anyone with anything. :neener:
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The is no best pilot. You have good days and bad. You can be beaten at any moment by anyone.
+100
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kazaa
kazaa
kazaa
Nuff said. If any of you are thinking yea right only in a Spit, then you are gravely mistaken. He routinely kills anyone with anything. :neener:
:lol
Let me help you with your The Few progandaing -- DrBone. Guy is a top stick already and is only going to get better. He picks up on things very fast and will be one of the best all around pilots in a few more months, if not already. I still think he's a tater noob though, which is where the game became the game for me once I learned how to shoot those things. :D
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I ought have mentioned Redtop---have never seen anyone with a mid-war P47 own a 1 on 5 like him...unreal
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BTW Happy Birthday Junky. :cheers:
wooot ty :D :cheers: :salute
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Levi
This is a name I have always heard of as being the best......I wanna fight him :rock
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wow thats a hard list to come up with, theres so many great pilots, id have to go with Grizz, Sunsfan, DrBone, Filth, AKDogg and might as well toss in the whole AoM there all great sticks in my book. hope someday to be thought of like these fine men are. :salute
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Bruv
kazaa
Steve
in no particular order of course.
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Bone has natural talent and the hunger to improve, he also has a sponge like ability to soak up ACM from people he duels.
It's scary. :eek:
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:airplane: I would vote for Grizz and Shawk !
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Grizz and Sunsfan deserve a spot up their, Batfink too.
I want to edit my list to inculde N7 and Stang.
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Bone has natural talent and the hunger to improve, he also has a sponge like ability to soak up ACM from people he duels.
It's scary. :eek:
I like bone, hes a good guy, and has a scary fast learning skill.
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Banshee7
I can't compare to half the people even being listed. Thanks for the mention, though.
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Hey there, I'm L0nGb0w "Maverick" Cruise, and all your pile-its are belong to me. :salute
(http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll202/AWhetstone99/top_gun_maverick_tom_cruise_suited.jpg)
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Creton, TC/TequillaChaser, SEraider.
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Hey there, I'm L0nGb0w "Maverick" Cruise, and all your pile-its are belong to me. :salute
(http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll202/AWhetstone99/top_gun_maverick_tom_cruise_suited.jpg)
:rofl :aok
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N7
tbarone
Larry
should be on peoples lists.
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Junky, have you tallied the votes yet to get the top three??
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Drex
Levi
Fester
My top 3 of all time.
Junky, Levi was a pure monster. He did things in his Spit V that I thought for years was impossible.
As for "today" that is a good question. I really need to start dueling more and have been slacking off for the past couple years.
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Larry
should be on peoples lists.
Nawww
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Hmmm top stick at the min and prob for the last year 1v1 is Kazaa, I'd post Bruv as well but apparently if his head swells any more he won't be able to fit through the door and will have to give up the game so... :lol to many good sticks out there really but in no particular order...
Grizz
Delirium
Soulyss
AKAK
AKDogg
WMLute
Creton
BatfinkV
Lengro
Mar
Dedalos
Theres more than that I just can't be bothered looking up squad pages anymore for correct spellings of handles :)
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I tallied the votes so far. ( perverts votes are not included as he posted as I was posting ...post just above this one)
Here is the top ten.
Grizz - 22 votes
Sunsfan - 17 votes
Lazer - 13 votes
DrBone - 10 votes
SkyRock - 8 votes
Delerium - 8 votes
Agent360 - 7 votes
Kaza - 5 votes
Wmaker - 5 votes
Bruv119 - 5 votes
There were 43 other players mentioned with 4 votes or less.
7 players had 4 votes each.
The rest had 3 or less votes.
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Busy day then :D
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I tallied the votes so far. ( perverts votes are not included as he posted as I was posting ...post just above this one)
Count my votes you lazy c£££ that took me 10 minutes to spell the names right!! 'unlike yours Delerium and Kaza' :lol
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Count my votes you lazy c£££ that took me 10 minutes to spell the names right!! 'unlike yours Delerium and Kaza' :lol
I will tally again in a few days
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I will tally again in a few days
I don't know why I bother! I really don't..... :rolleyes: :D :lol
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1 WmLute
2 Sunsfan
3 grizz
I have lute and sunsfan above grizz cause their much more likely to grit their teeth and fight 3v1 willingly and win and grizz is just a very very solid 1v1 or group player nothing wrong with it but I just have mad respect from witnessing the raw carnage of wmlute and suns working miracles and junky11 your my number 4 ^.^
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1 WmLute
2 Sunsfan
3 grizz
I have lute and sunsfan above grizz cause their much more likely to grit their teeth and fight 3v1 willingly and win and grizz is just a very very solid 1v1 or group player nothing wrong with it but I just have mad respect from witnessing the raw carnage of wmlute and suns working miracles and junky11 your my number 4 ^.^
number 4? woot nah there is alot that beat me more then I beat them but thank you, your not bad yourself you just fly a very dweeby bird ;)
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{Huffs my 39 isn't dweeby its charming and gets everyones attention ^.^} you know you can't resist diving me and testing my planes toughness.
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I tallied the votes so far. ( perverts votes are not included as he posted as I was posting ...post just above this one)
Here is the top ten.
Grizz - 22 votes
Sunsfan - 17 votes
Lazer - 13 votes
DrBone - 10 votes
SkyRock - 8 votes
Delerium - 8 votes
Agent360 - 7 votes
Kaza - 5 votes
Wmaker - 5 votes
Bruv119 - 5 votes
There were 43 other players mentioned with 4 votes or less.
7 players had 4 votes each.
The rest had 3 or less votes.
Sorry I didnt tally them earlier Agent, been busy clearing korea for PCS and one thing you have to do is turn in your internet, I wont be playing for the next month or so I should have plenty of time to keep up the tallies, Ill wait for acouple more before I do the next :salute
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Bah, there is no way I'm better than Bruv, Kazaa, Wmaker, or Agent.
I get lucky once in a while but those above gents consistently perform, I don't think it was fair to them at all.
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i don't fly lw often enough to fight most of these guys.
i think i'd say the guys that take the time to explain to their victims what they did wrong after a fight. i've fought a couple of guys that've come on open channel, telling me what i'm doing wrong, AS i'm fighting them.
those fights have always been good, clean fights, win or lose. you guys know who yas are too. :aok
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More often than not, I'm bested by any one I run into. But there have been a few that really stand out(those who I've flown against more frequently):
Mar
Soulyss
Cactus
Skyrock
Bigrat
Pervert
All great people too. Learned quite a bit from them a few of them as well.
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cactus rocks.
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Ah ha , my vote is simple
1. Bruv119 He's a good guy to boot .
2. Skyrock Seen him do amazing stuff
3. AKDogg He has fun as well as great skill
Thanks Nutte :aok
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wow.... can i be a part of the whos the best thread too......
lmmfao
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wow.... can i be a part of the whos the best thread too......
lmmfao
more of an "ego" thread but sure jump right in
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I think this thread is a simple poll. People are posting who they think is on their list of good sticks. Nothing wrong with that.
So far I haven't seen any ego stuff here. It's quite nice for a change I think.
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I'm usually in bed dreaming of sweet things when you lot are clashing around the MA and Dueling each other so I never expect that many to remember or put my name forward when it comes to these glorification threads.
I would say the biggest things that can define a top stick;
Frequent KOTH wins
Consistent top 20 fighter rank positions month in month out
regular high scoring kill runs not just your 4,5,6's but double digits. (easily able to maintain a 10:1 K/D when you are trying)
A good dueling reputation where you can hold your own against the top 10%.
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Fighter score? Kills Landed?
I'm sorry these aren't THAT hard to do, just need patience
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How many of these 'top sticks' have taken a new guy under their care and showed them how to play AH from top to bottom? How much time has any one of them spent helping a new guy setup his stick and taught him how to merge? How many of them answer a single solitary question in the text buffer like 'how do I move my PT boat?'
Now go find your top stick. :neener:
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How many of these 'top sticks' have taken a new guy under their care and showed them how to play AH from top to bottom? How much time has any one of them spent helping a new guy setup his stick and taught him how to merge? How many of them answer a single solitary question in the text buffer like 'how do I move my PT boat?'
Now go find your top stick. :neener:
Wow......WMLute is on most of their lists.......SunsFan,Grizz, and Agent have all helped me........Del is a TRAINER.........and I showed Krupnski the immelmen merge which I shouldnt have because now he is a E fighting turd :devil
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How many of these 'top sticks' have taken a new guy under their care and showed them how to play AH from top to bottom? How much time has any one of them spent helping a new guy setup his stick and taught him how to merge? How many of them answer a single solitary question in the text buffer like 'how do I move my PT boat?'
Now go find your top stick. :neener:
What are you crying about? Uptown mentioned you.
Voss
See. :neener:
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Fighter score? Kills Landed?
I'm sorry these aren't THAT hard to do, just need patience
patience is a good trait to have as a fighter pilot. Are you telling me that the top ten fighter rank guys every month do not have any skills whatsoever and couldn't pwn little old junky into the middle of next week??
I think not!
just because you do not bother with these things don't assume you could post such stats... I do neither anymore but the records speak for themselves.
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See Rule #4
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How many of these 'top sticks' have taken a new guy under their care and showed them how to play AH from top to bottom? How much time has any one of them spent helping a new guy setup his stick and taught him how to merge? How many of them answer a single solitary question in the text buffer like 'how do I move my PT boat?'
Now go find your top stick. :neener:
I've trained more than you have Voss. Is Vaporware still around or are you taking "more donations"?
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How many of these 'top sticks' have taken a new guy under their care and showed them how to play AH from top to bottom? How much time has any one of them spent helping a new guy setup his stick and taught him how to merge? How many of them answer a single solitary question in the text buffer like 'how do I move my PT boat?'
Now go find your top stick. :neener:
well let me see. I've recieved some kind of help at one time or the other from Shawk,Bipolar, Skyrock, some of the 80th guys,SkatSr(who should be mentioned in this thread), dTango......and I'm forgetting many, many more. Though I don't know or care about the finer points of gaming the game as you, I try to use my limited knowledge helping noobs out on the Help channel. Have yet to see help anyone but yourself.
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patience is a good trait to have as a fighter pilot. Are you telling me that the top ten fighter rank guys every month do not have any skills whatsoever and couldn't pwn little old junky into the middle of next week??
I think not!
just because you do not bother with these things don't assume you could post such stats... I do neither anymore but the records speak for themselves.
Bruv,
From the names in the top 10, I can and have beat many of them 1v1(not saying I beat them more then they beat me but Ill hang with them)....others on there...like Hoagi....Oh gosh finally the name actually came out...I have seen him flying his LA behind a horde from both sides....he hides like a coward behind his sqaud....at least J0ker can back up hiding in a horde by actually being good
I wont ever probably go for top 10, I have thought about it, but after an hour of picking I had no fun because there wasnt any skill behind my kills I was getting.
This is what its about Bruv http://www.mediafire.com/?dolokkrgdfz
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Challenge is Voss? wtf?
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(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x100/scot12b/1089_1181441256_ovso.gif) (http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x100/scot12b/voss_shades.gif)
:O :salute
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The Best stick is Kazaa right now hands down. He's across the pond not many normal hour playing Americans get to see him fly, but without a doubt in my mind he's the best. (for now) :D
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And it's about time for the "newer" generation to get their due/props. :joystick: :rock
:old:
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There is tons of great pilots like Bone, Del, Corky, Kazaa, Lazer, ect..
Then you have the great pilots who are also great leaders dhyran and bruv. Its one thing to be a great pilot when fighting but another when fighting and leading. Imho that creates another dimention to their skill level which makes them stand out.
But then you have one guy who is propably the pilot I admire the most and thats Greebo. All of the other pilots mentioned fly with other good to great pilots. But Greebo works alone he fights where there is a fight to be fought regardless who is there or how it looks. He flies in a plane that is extreamly hard to be successfull in as a lone ranger due to its limited views. Not only is he successfull in his F6F but he manages to strike fear in his opponenets like no other player can. You always hear "carefull guys Greebo is around watch the F6Fs in the area" over vox, you never hear that with any other pilot to such a big extent as you do with Greebo.
So my vote for best pilot in game goes to Greebo.
Tex
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I generally have to agree with Karaya.
1.) Drex
2.) Levi
3.) Everyone else
Currently flying today? I'd say Kappa, Delirium and the third is a toss-up for me between TC and Grizz.
At the end of the day, though, there are so many criteria for "best" that you can go in multiple directions. By plane, for example, I'd say Dogg is the best in a Corsair. 51 is a tossup between Oldmn and Steve. 109 between Agent and he who does not play anymore, etc, etc...
And there are still so many names missing from this thread... just serves to reinforce Karaya's post. The third spot can be populated by twenty or thirty guys on "any given Sunday."
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1.) Drex
2.) Levi
3.) Everyone else
so I'm in the third place :banana:
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I'd say 657325 but lately I've seen 426897 more often and he's really to the point of almost being unbeatable. The thing about 657325 is the fact he is always a gentleman where 426897's head will rotate from time to time and you'll have to call in a priest.
As for a third choice... I have not seen 000003 in a long time.
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Perfect example of a name missing from the list.
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Chi
Adonai
the losers in the 500 mph vertical goon with the smoke on......never seen ANY of you pull that move off! :x
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Did anyone name Rondar or Dr7 for tankers that no one likes to see at a spawn. Rondar may be the best tanker in the game.
R-105
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I think i would have to give my vote to the following for their undeniable skill and willingness to always engage in a fight no matter what the odds.
1) Greebo (I never like to see an F6-F in british markings) :mad:
2) Kappa (I learned the other day that he can fly the hell outta a pony) :salute
3) WMlute (Always a good fight when we meet) :rock
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I think i would have to give my vote to the following for their undeniable skill and willingness to always engage in a fight no matter what the odds.
1) Greebo (I never like to see an F6-F in british markings) :mad:
2) Kappa (I learned the other day that he can fly the hell outta a pony) :salute
3) WMlute (Always a good fight when we meet) :rock
Always interesting how these lists turn out...this may be the only one i agree with and I would likely switch kappa out and move Lute up. AkDogg deserves to be in the top 3. To be fair to Kappa I dont run into him much. Grizz is playing very well these days as well and should be on a list. Kazaa is a solid stick as well. Unfortunately alot of the guys responding to this aren't long time vets who haven't really sampled what is out there. I agree with the poster who recommended flying KoTH. I thought I was uber until the first time I flew in there and had my pants flown off. Alot of those guys are names you won't even consider for this list and they are better MA sticks.
What is more interesting is pull up threads like these over the last 5-7 years and see how our collective memory fades. It just shows that whoever is number one today can be completely forgotten if they dont stay front and center on these boards and ch 200 in the game.
What gives me the most hope is that folks recognize Greebo's talent even though he is a quiet player. :aok
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What is more interesting is pull up threads like these over the last 5-7 years and see how our collective memory fades. It just shows that whoever is number one today can be completely forgotten if they dont stay front and center on these boards and ch 200 in the game.
Thats an interesting point. What are you searching for to get the past threads?
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Personally I feel there is no best pilot. There are great pilots but no best pilots. 1 main reason is this: Pilot x can beat pilot y, but pilot x can't beat pilot z, where pilot y can beat pilot z. What it comes down to is like someone said earlier that any one of the great pilots can be top dog at any given time.
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Greebo
Grizz
Bruv119
all my killers :D
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Personally I feel there is no best pilot. There are great pilots but no best pilots. 1 main reason is this: Pilot x can beat pilot y, but pilot x can't beat pilot z, where pilot y can beat pilot z. What it comes down to is like someone said earlier that any one of the great pilots can be top dog at any given time.
Top Dog???? Sounds like your pushing your own agenda. :P
:rofl
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Top Dog???? Sounds like your pushing your own agenda. :P
:rofl
as you slowly "shuffle" your way into mention. :aok
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::cough::
Half these guys dont even know who #1 and #2 were. Its all relative. I'd have mentioned you, but you fall into the same boat.
"Shane who? Whats a slobberdonkey?" ;)
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Oh, and for some recent actual reference (will have to scroll to right to see other side of bracket).
(http://i707.photobucket.com/albums/ww72/imbe/BracketT-7.jpg)
EDIT: Hmm... bottom is missing, though...
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Thats an interesting point. What are you searching for to get the past threads?
I didn't do the search myself...I just remember the changing list over reading the boards everytime this topic comes up. I imagine "top sticks" or "best pilot" would work though. For whatever reason when i do searches it is horribly slow.
BTW good job posting the tournament bracket...i do think that reveals some of the names i would be considering more then what made it up here. :aok Wish I could see the bottom brackets....
I still like the KoTh format though because set merges are not as important and you can't have wingmen...a lot of times in a duel the best merge has a huge advantage.
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::cough::
Half these guys dont even know who #1 and #2 were. Its all relative. I'd have mentioned you, but you fall into the same boat.
"Shane who? Whats a slobberdonkey?" ;)
see.. i haven't even played for quite a while and here you are *still* humping my ankle. :t
i'll be in AH until my location changes. :aok
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see.. i haven't even played for quite a while and here you are *still* humping my ankle. :t
i'll be in AH until my location changes. :aok
Oh I HATED you. Despised you. With every fiber of my virtual being.
Could never find a way to best your LA7 for the longest time... the difference is that when you talked smack, I laughed. ;) No one who bothers to type on 200 is even close to entertaining, anymore.
Course... I hated Skyrock, too, when I first saw that noob talking crap on 200 after returning from my two-year hiatus... :D
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top 3 wud be shawk wmaker and me of course :aok
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Oh I HATED you. Despised you. With every fiber of my virtual being.
Could never find a way to best your LA7 for the longest time... the difference is that when you talked smack, I laughed. ;) No one who bothers to type on 200 is even close to entertaining, anymore.
well I did offer the community free use of some smack a few days ago... probably buried on page 3 by now. :banana:
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well I did offer the community free use of some smack a few days ago... probably buried on page 3 by now. :banana:
I have heard by many many sticks that you are, always have been, and will always be the "best".
so one of these days we should get together and duel I would like to see what ya can do.
personally I know I am not on anyones list because I am by far the worst shot in game(or damn close to it), I have fought just about every one mentioned and have killed them all,some very easy some not so much, grizz has definitely killed me more, his aim is uncanny and SUNSFAN that cat is very good. some names on peoples list I can kill easily 1 vs 1, no I am not chest thumping just stating facts, (I am confidant in my ability as a cartoon pilot)
I feel as far as ACM-SA-merge tactics I am very solid, I have killed 5 or more trying to kill me on more then one occasion, but it is after I am warmed up and shooting good, I know without a doubt there are very few in here that could do that .
Do I think I am the "best" nope, BUT from what I have heard(from very respectable sticks) YOU are so, I would enjoy a "test" of myself against you, if you are ever up for it let me know. :cheers:
INK
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My list of top sticks is drastically different then most of yours...
Creton
Warkat
Grizz
Moot
Murdr
MtMan
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Well that's the thing about these type of lists, or any subjective list for that matter - it's all about who we encounter most or who stands out - a few are more or less agreed upon and the rest get all jumbled up.
My claim to making the list (in the past) was as equally attributable to my smack as much as it was my willingness to mix it up.
One of the nicest things anyone said about me in AH (and yeah, I've done my time helping, etc) was from Morpheus (and hoping his rehab continues):
"Shane is very consistent at being inconsistent and unpredictable. You always have to stay on your toes with him. Pay attention to the closure rate on merge – that will give you a good idea of his E. You will get to know how fast the other plane is by how fast the distance meter is ticking down. Again, something that will come with time and practice. Any kill on Shane is hard earned and never given to you. He always makes me work hard, and will always make you push your limits. ~Morpheus"
I'll take a compliment like that over making a list any day.
<edit: I'd trade it all for better gunnery. :noid >
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One person I haven't seen mentioned is Lengro. I think he's as good a pilot as any I've fought in the MA, or dualed, but I haven't seen him much lately. :(
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Well that's the thing about these type of lists, or any subjective list for that matter - it's all about who we encounter most or who stands out - a few are more or less agreed upon and the rest get all jumbled up.
My claim to making the list (in the past) was as equally attributable to my smack as much as it was my willingness to mix it up.
One of the nicest things anyone said about me in AH (and yeah, I've done my time helping, etc) was from Morpheus (and hoping his rehab continues):
"Shane is very consistent at being inconsistent and unpredictable. You always have to stay on your toes with him. Pay attention to the closure rate on merge – that will give you a good idea of his E. You will get to know how fast the other plane is by how fast the distance meter is ticking down. Again, something that will come with time and practice. Any kill on Shane is hard earned and never given to you. He always makes me work hard, and will always make you push your limits. ~Morpheus"
I'll take a compliment like that over making a list any day.
<edit: I'd trade it all for better gunnery. :noid >
Shane, but how many people have said "I want your babies" to you???
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My list of top sticks is drastically different then most of yours...
Creton
Warkat
Grizz
Moot
Murdr
MtMan
I forgot all about Warkat, so good he gets accused of cheating and booted from IL2 servers all the time.
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i'll be in AH until my location changes. :aok
Cool. Hope to get to have some fights with ya like we did the last time you were around. :salute
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My list of top sticks is drastically different then most of yours...
Creton
Warkat
Grizz
Moot
Murdr
MtMan
It is good to see that WarKat is getting back to his old Pwnzerly self.
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in no particular order
Grizz
Suns
Dr Bone
Cactus
Del
Corky
Krup
Agent
Mtnman
Skyrock
Lazer
honorable mentions
the rest of AOM ( excluding myself) but irishone, hlbly, sunbat, thing, kappa, ink, etc etc all these names bring up great memories and great fights, as well as good friends
the rest of the 80th FS top notch group of furballers, keeping ACMs alive in bombers
Ardy and Junkyll great fights and good friends as well
sonicblu, strong 10, cap1, strokes, kermit,SEraider the list goes on but I've had some nasty run ins with these guys...great fights
Oh, I'm not your friend? I see how it is. :D
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Oh I HATED you. Despised you. With every fiber of my virtual being.
Could never find a way to best your LA7 for the longest time... the difference is that when you talked smack, I laughed. Wink No one who bothers to type on 200 is even close to entertaining, anymore.
Hah, that's precisely how I felt when Shane and his La7 came along. I was spoiled by flying with Fester/Cit or Lazer when I flew back then, and used to poaning everything in site. However, a lot of "WTF's!" were heard by the wife whenever I ran into Shane.
X2 on the ch200 a la Shane here as well, nothing go me laughing harder than him smacking someone after a fight.
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I have heard by many many sticks that you are, always have been, and will always be the "best".
That would be "Drex" ... followed very closely by Leviathn.
Shane, IMHO, is in the top 10 ... of all time.
Drex
Leviathn
Kappa
Fester
Wildthng
Furball
Morpheus
Stang
Dedalos
Shane
BatFink
Creton
Killnu
Wadke
Greebo
Delirium
TwinBoom
Lazer
Sax
Beemer
Toad
Mistu
Mathman
MANETMP
iceMAW
38MAW
JB42
SkyRock
there are more ...
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good list Slapshot. I tried to separate the "older generation" that do not play (or hardly play) anymore from the current group that plays regularly. I did forget Greebo on my list (cant believe I did that).
Another name to add that not longer plays...Taki. I hated that guy for the longest time. He whooped me all the time. Finally made the "break though" and got him a few times, was like a weight off my shoulders lol. He was pleasant to wing with as well.
Nomak would be one other I add to that. He taught me an awful lot in the DA.
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I loved Taki, he would save my arse from being shot down all the time back when I was a 2 weeker. <3
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That would be "Drex" ... followed very closely by Leviathn.
Shane, IMHO, is in the top 10 ... of all time.
Drex
Leviathn
Kappa
Fester
Wildthng
Furball
Morpheus
Stang
Dedalos
Shane
BatFink
Creton
Killnu
Wadke
Greebo
Delirium
TwinBoom
Lazer
Sax
Beemer
Toad
Mistu
Mathman
MANETMP
iceMAW
38MAW
JB42
SkyRock
there are more ...
Definitely a good list Slappy. Pretty much sums it up. Take away furball ( :banana: ) and skyrock ( :neener: ) and you got yourself an AH Hall of Fame.. :D
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Has anyone added Slapshot and his damn FM2 or F6F? I hate running into him down low! The old 56th guys in their Jugs always did things in them that I didn't see anyone else do. Ran into a guy named Jugler who was doing some crazy things in a Jug on the deck Shade? Not sure but scary good in it.
OlDemon does things in a 51D on the deck I don't see other guys do either. No idea how he turns it so well.
Seems like there are lots of guys who have mastered individual birds and get more out of them then anyone else.
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There are lot of good players out there. Over the years the list has continued to grow. I havent seen alot of some of them lately.
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Has anyone added Slapshot and his damn FM2 or F6F? I hate running into him down low! The old 56th guys in their Jugs always did things in them that I didn't see anyone else do. Ran into a guy named Jugler who was doing some crazy things in a Jug on the deck Shade? Not sure but scary good in it.
OlDemon does things in a 51D on the deck I don't see other guys do either. No idea how he turns it so well.
Seems like there are lots of guys who have mastered individual birds and get more out of them then anyone else.
Or wilbus in that damn Ki-84.
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Has anyone added Slapshot and his damn FM2 or F6F?
is that what he's flyin now a days? Use to be able to up a spitV (b4 they took our ammo :furious ) fly on the deck under a furball and spot another one and pretty much guarantee it to be slappy kickin ass. He'd be on my list.
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Or wilbus in that damn Ki-84.
Mitsu was another one.
ack-ack
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did anyone mention wetrat(tartew), or 2Bighorn (Bodivia?spelling? ) or Widewing, or Sniper, TW9 or, or Flyboy, or Jish102, or Octavious, or well as has been mentioned most of the ones posted in all these list have not been around much if any lately........
and this thread is asking The top sticks of today which I myself wouldn't have a clue........ and I strongly feel I should not have even been mentioned in this thread at all....... I am way past my prime and am on the down slope :old:...... but I still view it as this:
Damned If We Do, No Fun If We Don't :aok
:cheers: to the new up and coming Furballing Dogfighters :cool: may you all have many good fights and memories.....
"The Fight" that's what it's all about
Kazaa, DrBone, Bruv119, TonyJoey ( The Son ), Bosco123, JunkyII, Vudak, hlbly (not a new guy...but is somewhat newer to AH and frequently flying )
alot of Good Hope for Aces High's Future...........may they carry on the sacred tradition of what this sim is truly about........ :airplane:
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I hope to get up there someday...
I just have to keep working at it and studying and getting the girlfriend to allow me playing time.
Pervert is a pretty damn fine stick too.
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did anyone mention wetrat(tartew), or 2Bighorn (Bodivia?spelling? ) or Widewing, or Sniper, or Flyboy, or Jish102, or Octavious, or well as has been mentioned most of the ones posted in all these list have not been around much if any lately........
and this thread is asking The top sticks of today which I myself wouldn't have a clue........ and I strongly feel I should not have even been mentioned in this thread at all....... I am way past my prime and am on the down slope :old:...... but I still view it as this:
Damned If We Do, No Fun If We Don't :aok
:cheers: to the new up and coming Furballing Dogfighters :cool: may you all have many good fights and memories.....
"The Fight" that's what it's all about
Kazaa, DrBone, Bruv119, TonyJoey ( The Son ), Bosco123, JunkyII, Vudak, hlbly (not a new guy...but is somewhat newer to AH and frequently flying )
alot of Good Hope for Aces High's Future...........may they carry on the sacred tradition of what this sim is truly about........ :airplane:
its hard to remember ALL the old good sticks. i dont think ive seen anyone mention yucca either. or attila mwhun xnachox for that matter :aok
edit: Badboy from the bk's too
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TC, one of 1,000 names was Bovidae lol. He is trying to come back but he is so old, by the time the computer boots up, he forgets why he turned it on lol
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Well that's the thing about these type of lists, or any subjective list for that matter - it's all about who we encounter most or who stands out - a few are more or less agreed upon and the rest get all jumbled up.
My claim to making the list (in the past) was as equally attributable to my smack as much as it was my willingness to mix it up.
One of the nicest things anyone said about me in AH (and yeah, I've done my time helping, etc) was from Morpheus (and hoping his rehab continues):
"Shane is very consistent at being inconsistent and unpredictable. You always have to stay on your toes with him. Pay attention to the closure rate on merge – that will give you a good idea of his E. You will get to know how fast the other plane is by how fast the distance meter is ticking down. Again, something that will come with time and practice. Any kill on Shane is hard earned and never given to you. He always makes me work hard, and will always make you push your limits. ~Morpheus"
I'll take a compliment like that over making a list any day.
<edit: I'd trade it all for better gunnery. :noid >
I dont really have much of a list to offer up as most of the better pilots. Or ones I know to be better pilots, I dont meet up with all that often to make that determination. particularly in the MA. With so much else you have to try to be constantly aware of.
Shane, You would definitaly be on any list I'd have as one of the best. Because I've had enough encounters with him to know that with a pretty good degree of certainty. Shane is one of the ones I make mental notes of whenever I encounter him can identify him when he's around. He is also one of the ones I will make a point of going after when I know he's around. Not just to get a kill on him. But rather because I know he is potentially one of the greatest threats and I'd much rather have him in front of me. Then for him to suddenly turn up behind me as is what is often prone to happen when some of the better pilots are around.
With someone that dangerous in the area. You just cant count on someone else to deal with him
Master of causing the overshoot, then making you pay for doing so. I'd have to agree with pretty much everything Morpheus said.
Under the best of circumstances. Shane is no easy kill, even when out numbered.
I'd have to give credit to Shane for some of the evasives I use in game to cause overshoots. Though most are easier to successfully pull off in the La then the D9. I've used alot of his moves as a basis on developing my own. Which has saved my arse on numerous occasions. I just wish I could capitalize more often (gunnery)on gained positions on some of the better pilots as I often find myself having pulled off a move and gaining the position I wanted. Only to end up missing the shot in the very brief time its available.
And that seems to be a constant in all the best pilots. They dont remain a shootable target for long. So when you do get those opportunities. You better make them count before they do.
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Pawz and SkatSr are always overlooked. favorites of mine
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its hard to remember ALL the old good sticks. i dont think ive seen anyone mention yucca either. or attila mwhun xnachox for that matter :aok
edit: Badboy from the bk's too
yuccas in my list :neener:
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is that what he's flyin now a days? Use to be able to up a spitV (b4 they took our ammo :furious ) fly on the deck under a furball and spot another one and pretty much guarantee it to be slappy kickin ass. He'd be on my list.
It seems like there are some that go looking for the fight low that always stand out to me as I tend to be down low. I know there are guys who use their plane just right and set up the fight to their advantage and they are good at it. There are also those guys who take the other guy's advantage and turn it on them. Those are the guys that amaze me.
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I'd say lazer he was the only guy i ever remember owning me and i wasn't terribly bad especially in a spit.
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best sheep thief
Stodd already posted
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yuccas in my list :neener:
hah opps i stand corrected :old:
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It seems like there are some that go looking for the fight low that always stand out to me as I tend to be down low. I know there are guys who use their plane just right and set up the fight to their advantage and they are good at it. There are also those guys who take the other guy's advantage and turn it on them. Those are the guys that amaze me.
its a good way to learn or polish up ACM without having to go to DA. That and its funner than grabbing up to 7-12k every sorty b4 engaging.
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its a good way to learn or polish up ACM without having to go to DA. That and its funner than grabbing up to 7-12k every sorty b4 engaging.
Well I've been flying down low since Airwarrior. Hasn't helped, but I've had a lot of fun :)
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TC, one of 1,000 names
Yea counting this up is getting hard...... :D
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Yea counting this up is getting hard...... :D
lol, I am only 1 name, Junky..rofl
Dedalos ( aka superspy ) was refering to 2Bighorn, Bovidae, Texture, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc....... the one of a 1,000 names :D :bolt:
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Lets rework this thread. Who are the best active sticks, & only refer to them by their current name.
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TC, one of 1,000 names was Bovidae lol. He is trying to come back but he is so old, by the time the computer boots up, he forgets why he turned it on lol
accessor was one of em :aok
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EElAjwTWODI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EElAjwTWODI)
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lol, I am only 1 name, Junky..rofl
Dedalos ( aka superspy ) was refering to 2Bighorn, Bovidae, Texture, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc....... the one of a 1,000 names :D :bolt:
Oh I misread, still alot of different names in this thread, alot I never heard of or even seen online. I think some of the "old breed" maybe havnt seen or fought some of the "new blood" of Aces High.
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Oh I misread, still alot of different names in this thread, alot I never heard of or even seen online. I think some of the "old breed" maybe havnt seen or fought some of the "new blood" of Aces High.
The "new blood" would be bled dry pretty quick by the "old breed". :D
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Oh I misread, still alot of different names in this thread, alot I never heard of or even seen online. I think some of the "old breed" maybe havnt seen or fought some of the "new blood" of Aces High.
I was fortunate enough to come back for a bit in '08 and encountered quite a few of these currently hot-rated sticks. :joystick: Some already had it, some I saw potential in. :airplane: I'm sure they've come even further since then. Like I said a few pages back, time to give the new generation their due/props :banana: but bear in mind, they (mostly) learned from us older players :old: who in turn learned from those who came before us :salute So be sure to pass it along to the next generation of squeekers. :x
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Dedalos, Kazaa, Batfink, Bighorn In no particular order.
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I haven't seen WideWing mentioned in this thread. He's always good for putting my ego in check :lol
:salute
BigRat
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Dedalos, Kazaa, Batfink, Bighorn In no particular order.
Huh? Whats wrong with the order? Looks good to me :)
Btw, u just put me ahead of shawk lol
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The "new blood" would be bled dry pretty quick by the "old breed". :D
Amen
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I was fortunate enough to come back for a bit in '08 and encountered quite a few of these currently hot-rated sticks. :joystick: Some already had it, some I saw potential in. :airplane: I'm sure they've come even further since then. Like I said a few pages back, time to give the new generation their due/props :banana: but bear in mind, they (mostly) learned from us older players :old: who in turn learned from those who came before us :salute So be sure to pass it along to the next generation of squeekers. :x
This is my hope when I made this thread. Really new guys can look at whos good these days and ask for help, which in turn will lead to better game play and fights for all :salute
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The "new blood" would be bled dry pretty quick by the "old breed". :D
Oh we may need to set up a date in the DA for all the "old breed" to get rolled over by the "new blood" :devil
:salute
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I'm surprised no one has mentioned SHawk's mullet. Everyone knows it's the Mullet that's the power behind the throne.
ack-ack
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Oh we may need to set up a date in the DA for all the "old breed" to get rolled over by the "new blood" :devil
:salute
could yeild some interesting results. Like a squad duelling match New breed vs Old.
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could yeild some interesting results. Like a squad duelling match New breed vs Old.
I think the names should be
New Hotness vs Old Crusties
:D
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Kappa
Grizz
Lute
sunsfan
Dogg
Yourself Junky
Wetrat
Agent360
AKRaven
Are the guys I have real good 1 vs 1's with... Im usually on the losing end in my bomber though.. one day ill start the k4... ;)
Hey, someone remembers me :p
all-time hardest fights I'd say:
fester (when he was still very active)
kappa
nathBDP
leviathn
morpheus (hope he's doin ok!)
Lute (but only in Val's or 202's)
wildthing
manetmp/blukitty (more because I liked shooting him/her/it down than anything.. I was a bad matchup for his flying style.. usually had the edge)
Can't think of anyone else that I would go out of my way to take out simply because they're dangerous. Lots of good sticks, but no others stand out imo.
Has batfink gotten better or something? Noticed a few people name him... he used to be pretty bad, and I'm thinking of when he'd already been flying for a few years, not when he was still green. Must have changed I guess.
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What is more interesting is pull up threads like these over the last 5-7 years and see how our collective memory fades. It just shows that whoever is number one today can be completely forgotten if they dont stay front and center on these boards and ch 200 in the game.
Yeah.. I can think of lots of guys I've flown with over the years that could spank most of the names being listed here. Maybe great now, but lots of great sticks come and go.
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My list is based on people that are peeking right now in any arena top 5. These top 5 have demonstrated skills in a variety of aircraft and can fight and ACM in any aircraft to beat their opponent.
In no order:
Dedalos aka deadalot :O
Grizz
Mtnman
Sunsfan
Krupnski
There are a lot a great sticks that are not peaking or 'in the zone' but were there at one time or another. There are guys I never fought or rarely fought to give an honest perception of where they are at.
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Has batfink gotten better or something? Noticed a few people name him... he used to be pretty bad, and I'm thinking of when he'd already been flying for a few years, not when he was still green. Must have changed I guess.
ya a couple years ago a few muppets had to whip him into shape. i hope he's doin ok otherwise it was all for not :huh
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Bighorn is the best I have ever fought.
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The best sticks are those that put forth the effort getting slaughtered by sticks better than them. Conditioning yourself to not do something anymore because you are sick of the result of doing such maneuver, ie., getting killed and having to take off again. I started dueling and focusing on ACM a little over a year ago. When I started I had a general idea what I was doing but ultimately sucked. I'd get smacked around like a red headed step child by the likes of Dedalos, batfinkv, kazaa, Shane, SkyRock, Agent360, Scotch, Texture, Tonyjoey, VIOLATOR, Pawz. There are others, point being, I wasn't as good as these guys and that irked me. I'd call it a combination of having a little bit of ego and competitive nature to want to be as good as these names but also being able to humble oneself and accept these guys were flat out better and to learn from them. If they can do it, why can't I?
I never understand why pilots are so afraid to go duel 1v1s in the DA and possibly learn something. It's as if they feel like they are being set up when they get challenged or invited to duel. "If I go to the DA, he's going to find out I'm not as good as I pedestal myself to be so I'll just stay here and talk smack in the safety of my numbers". I remember when I was challenged by Skyrock and Agent360 to the DA after they got annoyed by my MA picking escapades. I have to thank them for bringing the competitive and sporting spirit out of me in the game by smacking me around in there. That was the beginning for me.
Mostly every night there's 1v1s going on between bases A23 and A24. Find out what plane is being flown, pick a side to even it out, and have at it. You'll get ten times the quality of fights in a tenth of the time in the MA. If you're looking to get better this is how it's done.
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"To unlock your own ownage, first you must be owned"
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"To unlock your own ownage, first you must be owned"
:devil
"when you can trad the rice paper without leaving a mark Grasshopper, then you are ready to leave your footprints on the world"
Kung Fu
circa somewhere in the early seventies
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Bone has natural talent and the hunger to improve, he also has a sponge like ability to soak up ACM from people he duels.
It's scary. :eek:
I've always enjoyed my fights with him, it's nice to run into a Spitfire driver that actually knows what he's doing. Wish he'd pop in MW more often, only real challenging fights I've come across is when guys like DrBone, Slapshot, Stang and Dedalos drop in.
ack-ack
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TC, one of 1,000 names was Bovidae lol. He is trying to come back but he is so old, by the time the computer boots up, he forgets why he turned it on lol
BH is both a great stick(one ofthe best) and personally responsible for teaching a lot of guys while operating under one of his many nicknames. I was going to jump in if no-one had mentioned him.
Of the old guard Levi,Drex,Nath,Mane/Bluekitty,Wildthing all seemed to have an "X" factor that set them apart from the rest . Other guys that were also great sticks Shane Stang Dedalos TC SR Kappa . In coming back recently a couple of people that have I've seen in the DA like Grizz and Sunsfan are great sticks and good guys to go with it.
Beats me why people are scared to fight someone better then them , it's the only way to improve.
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I think the names should be
New Hotness vs Old Crusties
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New Hotness vs Levi. Nuff said. :D
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New Hotness vs Levi. Nuff said. :D
:O He must have some skill if your willing to throw him in the ring by himself........against the best sticks the game has ever seen :D :aok :lol
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I like Twinboom,Delirium,SkyRock,Kappa,Lazer,Hooch.Souless,Killnu,These are guys I had the pleasure of flying with.Since the 475th broke up,and my friends went on to fly with other squads,like the Muppets,now I have these guys shooting down my cartoon plane,and I can really appreciate their skill.Levi gave me the pleasure of letting me ride in his plane,and I must say he belongs on a list of top pilots.Another choice would be Shane,and he's not last on any list.He can fly as good as he can piss you off.Steve is another good one,and don't make the mistake of picking him,as your ears will be overburdened with his input!Greebo is a really nice guy,and don't get slow with his "Cat" or he will make you pay.If he has managed to get you slow,don't try exiting,as he can hit you real regularily at 800 meters!When I was with the 71st,Batfink displayed an uncanny ability to destroy the other guys aircraft.I also liked Snaphooks ability in a A20.The whole 71st squad had a lot of good sticks,and they would be my choice of top squads if a best squad poll ever came up.
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I hate running into him down low!
No you don't ... you LOVE it ... :D
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oh this is a easy one.
1.Chalenge
2.Pacerr
3.that guy in the Jokers that thinks hes a sandwich
Havent ran into Chalenge, Pacerr defiantely, but Hoagi??? All I have ever seen him do is vulch fields. I have never seen him live low in a one on one...now thats not saying he is bad, but there are many who are much better. I havent seen any Nods for VonMessa either, he is a great 1V1. And suprised not to see Lute on too man lists.
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If they can do it, why can't I?
And that sums it up.
About 5 years ago (maybe longer?) I was at 2K in a spit over the water. I saw this little lonely spit 5 about 10 feet of the water. The guy looked AFK so with all my skillz I hit the wep and dove in. 1K...800..600 ready to fire, the guy does not know I am there 400 . . . spit pulls up, rolls and I am in the tower. Some old guy name SlapShot or something like that had killed me lol. From that day all I wanted to do was learn how to do that and every time he was in the area, I would go after him just to see how I would do. He had become my measure of skill lol. But that is what made me change. That one moment was my WTF? What did he just do? Why can't I do that? I was also lucky to get in the DA at a time that bighorn, nomak, morph etc . . . . where at their prime and learned a lot form them and the very high nymber of fights you could put in in an hour in the DA. That environment does not exist anymore so the new guys will have a litle bit of harder time getting there.
One more thing, after Slap killed me that day I did not change fields, did not call my friends, and did not get a lala to go HO him. I went back in the same plane and same alt to get spanked again and again. You got to have that in you also.
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And that sums it up.
About 5 years ago (maybe longer?) I was at 2K in a spit over the water. I saw this little lonely spit 5 about 10 feet of the water. The guy looked AFK so with all my skillz I hit the wep and dove in. 1K...800..600 ready to fire, the guy does not know I am there 400 . . . spit pulls up, rolls and I am in the tower. Some old guy name SlapShot or something like that had killed me lol. From that day all I wanted to do was learn how to do that and every time he was in the area, I would go after him just to see how I would do. He had become my measure of skill lol. But that is what made me change. That one moment was my WTF? What did he just do? Why can't I do that? I was also lucky to get in the DA at a time that bighorn, nomak, morph etc . . . . where at their prime and learned a lot form them and the very high nymber of fights you could put in in an hour in the DA. That environment does not exist anymore so the new guys will have a litle bit of harder time getting there.
One more thing, after Slap killed me that day I did not change fields, did not call my friends, and did not get a lala to go HO him. I went back in the same plane and same alt to get spanked again and again. You got to have that in you also.
Upped a CV and fought a LA-7 in an F6f. Found myself in the tower quick.
So I upped a Seafire. Lala is low, we fought, BOOM back in the tower.
Ok, now i'm getting miffed.
Upped a zeke and just as quick BOOM back in the tower.
Upped a zeke two more times and both times found myself dead fairly quickly.
Hrmmm.....
How can a La7 stall fight and WIN otd vs. a zeke??
That fight started me down the road of seeking out all the "good" sticks in the game and trying to figure out how to win a fight. It musta been 6-7 years ago ish.
The lala pilot was Shane.
In my opinion the best La7 pilot the game has ever had.
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Oh, and for some recent actual reference (will have to scroll to right to see other side of bracket).
(http://i707.photobucket.com/albums/ww72/imbe/BracketT-7.jpg)
EDIT: Hmm... bottom is missing, though...
lol. The bracket was so big I had to post it as two files to get it to load into photobucket.
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top sticks..........those that're willing to pass on their knowledge and skill to lesser skilled pile-its. :aok
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:O He must have some skill if your willing to throw him in the ring by himself........against the best sticks the game has ever seen :D :aok :lol
You really have no idea do you?
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And that sums it up.
About 5 years ago (maybe longer?) I was at 2K in a spit over the water. I saw this little lonely spit 5 about 10 feet of the water. The guy looked AFK so with all my skillz I hit the wep and dove in. 1K...800..600 ready to fire, the guy does not know I am there 400 . . . spit pulls up, rolls and I am in the tower. Some old guy name SlapShot or something like that had killed me lol. From that day all I wanted to do was learn how to do that and every time he was in the area, I would go after him just to see how I would do. He had become my measure of skill lol. But that is what made me change. That one moment was my WTF? What did he just do? Why can't I do that? I was also lucky to get in the DA at a time that bighorn, nomak, morph etc . . . . where at their prime and learned a lot form them and the very high nymber of fights you could put in in an hour in the DA. That environment does not exist anymore so the new guys will have a litle bit of harder time getting there.
One more thing, after Slap killed me that day I did not change fields, did not call my friends, and did not get a lala to go HO him. I went back in the same plane and same alt to get spanked again and again. You got to have that in you also.
Wow ... same thing I did with Leviathn ... I couldn't help myself from going back to get my arse wooped over and over again ... and then reviewed the films the next day ... films are a tremendous learning tool.
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In that case....... WMLute, m00t, Lusche (Snail - out of game, history)
top sticks..........those that're willing to pass on their knowledge and skill to lesser skilled pile-its. :aok
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Wow ... same thing I did with Leviathn ... I couldn't help myself from going back to get my arse wooped over and over again ... and then reviewed the films the next day ... films are a tremendous learning tool.
It is funny how some things leave an impression. I still remember what you said after you killed me and probably why I fly the way I do now. The most dangerous place for some one is on my six right now lol
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Wow ... same thing I did with Leviathn ... I couldn't help myself from going back to get my arse wooped over and over again ... and then reviewed the films the next day ... films are a tremendous learning tool.
ya know....i film everything......but as of late, i've been having trouble even on my films, of seeing where i make my mistakes.
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You really have no idea do you?
LOL ... yup ... you wouldn't believe unless you saw it.
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You really have no idea do you?
LOL ... yup ... you wouldn't believe unless you saw it.
Nope I dont, Ill believe it when I see it :aok
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Nope I dont, Ill believe it when I see it :aok
See what? Drex and Levi are ACM Surgeons. The rest of us are "hack surgeons". Those two are also VERY humble about their abilities and are gentlemen to boot. Well, I don't know about Drex, some say Slapshot keeps him locked in a cage and rarely feeds him.
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Just so people dont get confused, I am jk, alot of the people saying they are the best I know are very good sticks, still wouldnt mind fighting the best though, you can only learn from it :salute
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Just so people dont get confused, I am jk, alot of the people saying they are the best I know are very good sticks, still wouldnt mind fighting the best though, you can only learn from it :salute
+1 ... you would get your butt kicked and only ask for more mainly because, as Mash said, they were humble and never rubbed your face in it ... if you HOed them, ganged them ... never a word out of them ... they just climbed back into their ride of choice and opened up some more cans of whoop-arse.
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I think the CH is the best stick. :D
The throttle works well too. I do have some issue with their peddals as no matter how fast you thrash them you get no more speed.
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I think the CH is the best stick. :D
The throttle works well too. I do have some issue with their peddals as no matter how fast you thrash them you get no more speed.
:rofl :rofl :rofl
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my dream is when i grow up i wanna be the bestest pile-it eva! i mean the most 1337 ub3r pil3-0t 3va!!!
<----2 week trial :(
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kazaa
kazaa
kazaa
Nuff said. If any of you are thinking yea right only in a Spit, then you are gravely mistaken. He routinely kills anyone with anything. :neener:
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Junky I've killed you so many times one on one i think i should have been on your list :)
"The" Bear69
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Junky I've killed you so many times one on one i think i should have been on your list :)
"The" Bear69
I dont consider hurri dweebs good sticks, dey ez mode :D plus its been awhile since are last little tango, maybe I got to start flying during the day again so I can beat on some old men again :lol :salute
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:O He must have some skill if your willing to throw him in the ring by himself........against the best sticks the game has ever seen :D :aok :lol
Levi would beat the crap out of you and then he'd hand the reigns over to Drex and then he'd beat the crap out of you. Then it would be Nath's turn and he'd beat the crap out of you for a 3rd time.
ack-ack
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I dont consider hurri dweebs good sticks, dey ez mode :D plus its been awhile since are last little tango, maybe I got to start flying during the day again so I can beat on some old men again :lol :salute
lol when are you gonna get in your heads its not "what" they fly it is HOW they fly. :rolleyes:
I don't care what a person Flies he can fly a P-40 and do nothing but Vulch does that make him cool? or "UBER"
personally I think those that judge others on what they fly, Are lame.
I also think that when some fly high eny planes exclusively they use that as an excuse "well I was in a -insert any 20+- eny plane...."
friggin Hurri IS a FIGHTING mans plane,one of the slowest in game,one of the easiest to get away from...how the frig is that "easy mode" ?
allthough I do agree with you it is Easy mode ONLY if you know how!! and that goes for almost any plane! with few exceptions.
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lol when are you gonna get in your heads its not "what" they fly it is HOW they fly. :rolleyes:
I don't care what a person Flies he can fly a P-40 and do nothing but Vulch does that make him cool? or "UBER"
personally I think those that judge others on what they fly, Are lame.
I also think that when some fly high eny planes exclusively they use that as an excuse "well I was in a -insert any 20+- eny plane...."
friggin Hurri IS a FIGHTING mans plane,one of the slowest in game,one of the easiest to get away from...how the frig is that "easy mode" ?
allthough I do agree with you it is Easy mode ONLY if you know how!! and that goes for almost any plane! with few exceptions.
I actually liked flying the hurri. it's fun to fight in, and contrary to popular belief, it's not really just "yank n bank" in it.
as slow as the dam thing is, you need to have good sa, you need to manage what e you have somewhat carefully, and you need to make your shots count.
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personally I think those that judge others on what they fly, Are lame.
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ack-ack
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ack-ack
Ohhh stop it. We don't judge you. We just think you fly a buff :P
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Ohhh stop it. We don't judge you. We just think you fly a buff :P
IT'S NOT A BOMBER!
(http://marlene.wandel.ca/bebe/pout.jpg)
ack-ack
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I actually liked flying the hurri. it's fun to fight in, and contrary to popular belief, it's not really just "yank n bank" in it.
as slow as the dam thing is, you need to have good sa, you need to manage what e you have somewhat carefully, and you need to make your shots count.
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thats what I am saying...The plane is far from "easy Mode" the 16 ya thats "easy mode" the 51 ya the K4 ya the temp ya 38 ya ECT ECT... they all are in the right hands, you take someone who truly knows the 38 and he will be a killer even against planes that he should no be able to. I fought someone reciently in the P-40 he was in it, I was straight up impressed, he killed me twice in planes I dont normaly fly, so I came back and smoked him in the Hurri :D
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I can say that I have overlooked Texture until he was mentioned in this post. I forgot how good he was in a fight. I've always admired Batfink and Dedalos to be always good all the time.
I think the thought goes that A can beat B on diffrent times, but when A can beat B all the time, and even on the bad days, that's when you know they are good. Batfink and Dedalos are good examples of that. I can only just barely beat them at any given time, no matter what they doing. I have not honestly fought Grizz in the DA in quite a long time (hint hint) so I really don't know how much he has progressed in the past couple of months. I can say when I have fought him, one of us are at the disadvatage with the planes, and one or the other wins.
As far as WMLute goes, and I am sure that I have heard him say this a couple of times, that he is the best when it comes to the SA. He has taught many people when it comes to SA, and that is where he beats most everyone there. Have I beat him a couple of times? Yes, has he beat me a couple of times? Yes.
I still seemed to be overlooked here, I've been able to beat quite a couple of people there, and multipule times to boot. I have quite a few KOTH wins under my belt, only time I don't win now is because I am not there to finish the whole thing, and even then I still come out with a win or a be a wabbit. Everytime I'm there at KOTH to finish it I win. Anytime someone wants me to prove it, I would be glad to.
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thats what I am saying...The plane is far from "easy Mode" the 16 ya thats "easy mode" the 51 ya the K4 ya the temp ya 38 ya ECT ECT... they all are in the right hands, you take someone who truly knows the 38 and he will be a killer even against planes that he should no be able to. I fought someone reciently in the P-40 he was in it, I was straight up impressed, he killed me twice in planes I dont normaly fly, so I came back and smoked him in the Hurri :D
see....to me the spit16 is 10 times harder to fly than the 5 or 9. i totally suck in it. p-40..i flew once a long time ago..found out it'll compress...as i flew through a formation of buffs, straight into the side of a mountain... :rofl
the 38 to me isn't easy either. although faster than a hurri, ya still need that e management, and sa. she don't accelerate that fast, a lot can still outrun her, and a lot can out turn her.
hell....cobia handed my bellybutton to me last night, down at 5k in his dam a20. 4 times. :furious
i think i got him 2x. once, he was on the deck, hurt, i was gonna let him replane, but because he's one of the few that live for the fight, he said to "come get some". on one engine, he made it hard......th other time, i STILL don't know what the hell i did right.....but i got him in my 38G.
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I'm the best pilot named TwentyFo. And I'm the second best at resupplying fellow gvers. I like turtles
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I can say that I have overlooked Texture until he was mentioned in this post. I forgot how good he was in a fight. I've always admired Batfink and Dedalos to be always good all the time.
I think the thought goes that A can beat B on diffrent times, but when A can beat B all the time, and even on the bad days, that's when you know they are good. Batfink and Dedalos are good examples of that. I can only just barely beat them at any given time, no matter what they doing. I have not honestly fought Grizz in the DA in quite a long time (hint hint) so I really don't know how much he has progressed in the past couple of months. I can say when I have fought him, one of us are at the disadvatage with the planes, and one or the other wins.
As far as WMLute goes, and I am sure that I have heard him say this a couple of times, that he is the best when it comes to the SA. He has taught many people when it comes to SA, and that is where he beats most everyone there. Have I beat him a couple of times? Yes, has he beat me a couple of times? Yes.
I still seemed to be overlooked here, I've been able to beat quite a couple of people there, and multipule times to boot. I have quite a few KOTH wins under my belt, only time I don't win now is because I am not there to finish the whole thing, and even then I still come out with a win or a be a wabbit. Everytime I'm there at KOTH to finish it I win. Anytime someone wants me to prove it, I would be glad to.
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Maybe no one has mentioned you because they figured you come along and toot your own horn. A whole lot of real good sticks have chimed in on this thread, and not one of them (seriously) mentioned themself as a candidate.
:rolleyes:
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I said me is the 3rd best pilot :neener:
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Maybe no one has mentioned you because they figured you come along and toot your own horn. A whole lot of real good sticks have chimed in on this thread, and not one of them (seriously) mentioned themself as a candidate.
:rolleyes:
+1
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Maybe no one has mentioned you because they figured you come along and toot your own horn. A whole lot of real good sticks have chimed in on this thread, and not one of them (seriously) mentioned themself as a candidate.
:rolleyes:
Never wanted to mention myself as a candidate. 16 pages and no mentions?
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Maybe no one has mentioned you because they figured you come along and toot your own horn. A whole lot of real good sticks have chimed in on this thread, and not one of them (seriously) mentioned themself as a candidate.
:rolleyes:
I R teh CanIdaTe :aok everyone else is just cannon fodder :noid
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Never wanted to mention myself as a candidate. 16 pages and no mentions?
dats cuz noone thinks ur good.. but JOOoo :joystick:
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i guess i need to start going to the DA, my problem is when I'm in a fighter is not know when or when not to dive into a fight, or trying to get the plane to do something its just not capable of doing which always ends up in me dying :headscratch: I don't care about "rank" but i do want to improve greatly and hopefully someday be thought of as a great stick, I'm good but theres so much room to improve and like i said i wanna learn better ACM and SA, all the 1v1 i find myself in is a 50/50 chance either i die or win, provided no one tries to cherrypick who I'm fighting or me :headscratch:
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I have not been around too much to know all the pilots mentioned earlier, and I never flew much in MA either..
But the names of good sticks that pops up in my mind is Agent360, Bentnail, Spacy, EAce, Fiat, Pervert and Nrshida. The list should be much longer, but atleast I've put in a few more names that should not be forgotten.. :salute
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Wilbuz & KillnU for introducing me to how devastating & scrappy the ki-84 can be in skilled & determined hands :D
Bruv119 Kazaa Batfink(kazaa probably best stick in the game at the moment)
a couple of the muppets obviously as they've always been my choice opposition
sunsfan agent360 skyrock always turned up for fun fights vs them kay-fizzles grizz & moot for flying that annoying tata thing I can never see if it's coming at me or what direction its going.
I haven't played for a while so I probably don't remember all the names of my most encountered villains.
oh and just thought i'd put in a dishonourable mention for these two guys who have never given me an even remotely interesting fight:
Top Overall Ranking – Hoagi, runner-up pacerr
Probably the two worst & pathetic nonfighting sticks with the best ranking in the game... huzzahh!
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(kazaa probably best stick in the game at the moment)
Im gonna have to disagree. Although kazaa is a beast. But it really is a toss up of a few players. Kazaa has great ACMs SA. Grizz is the master of finding the angle. You show him the slightest bit of an angle you are a dead man. His aim is the best ive ever seen.
And this whole Levi and Drex deal. well, theryre not here are they? Long gone and most likely wont be back. So that says enough for me. They were unreal in the day. But this isnt yesterday, its now and tomorrow.
Here is a list of players i love fighting.
most of the muppets
most of the 80th ladies :neener:
Kazaa
bruv
Dedalos and i have had some great fights
Batfink
JB11
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Im gonna have to disagree. Although kazaa is a beast. But it really is a toss up of a few players. Kazaa has great ACMs SA. Grizz is the master of finding the angle. You show him the slightest bit of an angle you are a dead man. His aim is the best ive ever seen.
And this whole Levi and Drex deal. well, theryre not here are they? Long gone and most likely wont be back. So that says enough for me. They were unreal in the day. But this isnt yesterday, its now and tomorrow.
Here is a list of players i love fighting.
most of the muppets
most of the 80th ladies :neener:
Kazaa
bruv
Dedalos and i have had some great fights
Batfink
JB11
dedalos scares me as much as cobia and snaphook. :neener:
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Kosta's dweebery is only exceeded by Ack Ack's disdain for chigga flicka's. :uhoh
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Im gonna have to disagree. Although kazaa is a beast. But it really is a toss up of a few players. Kazaa has great ACMs SA. Grizz is the master of finding the angle. You show him the slightest bit of an angle you are a dead man. His aim is the best ive ever seen.
The thing is, there's a group of pilots who are able to kill one another based on the setup and shots each miss. It's tough to find out who is truly 'better' between pilots who are so close. You'd honestly have to fight many many fights in many different aircraft spanning over many dueling sessions and tally the results. It's like a poker match, playing 10 hands and then tallying who won more money isn't an indication on who the better player is. You have to play tens of thousands of hands before the edge is exposed. I think you'd honestly have to duel a guy in excess of 100 duels in various aircrafts to figure out who is 'better' when it comes to elite sticks. It doesn't matter though, once you get to a certain point it's all in fun and it doesn't matter as long as you get the competitive juices flowing and each guy wins his fair share.
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I still seemed to be overlooked here, I've been able to beat quite a couple of people there, and multipule times to boot. I have quite a few KOTH wins under my belt, only time I don't win now is because I am not there to finish the whole thing, and even then I still come out with a win or a be a wabbit. Everytime I'm there at KOTH to finish it I win. Anytime someone wants me to prove it, I would be glad to.
Well, there must be a reason no-one mentioned you. I don't run into you so you may very well be the terror of the skies but to mention/nominate yourself is really really funny to me :lol :aok
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The thing is, there's a group of pilots who are able to kill one another based on the setup and shots each miss. It's tough to find out who is truly 'better' between pilots who are so close. You'd honestly have to fight many many fights in many different aircraft spanning over many dueling sessions and tally the results. It's like a poker match, playing 10 hands and then tallying who won more money isn't an indication on who the better player is. You have to play tens of thousands of hands before the edge is exposed. I think you'd honestly have to duel a guy in excess of 100 duels in various aircrafts to figure out who is 'better' when it comes to elite sticks. It doesn't matter though, once you get to a certain point it's all in fun and it doesn't matter as long as you get the competitive juices flowing and each guy wins his fair share.
Well put, which is why I'll usually say Drex and Levi (they ARE in a class all by themselves), then everyone else. It isn't a "slam" on anyone who is a great stick. It is the bold quote above which has a few people scrambling for 3rd and the rest of say...the top 10. ANYONE from 3rd to 10th could whip each other's arse, but then have a complete outcome every time.
Again, excellent summary Grizz. :rock
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The thing is, there's a group of pilots who are able to kill one another based on the setup and shots each miss. It's tough to find out who is truly 'better' between pilots who are so close. You'd honestly have to fight many many fights in many different aircraft spanning over many dueling sessions and tally the results. It's like a poker match, playing 10 hands and then tallying who won more money isn't an indication on who the better player is. You have to play tens of thousands of hands before the edge is exposed. I think you'd honestly have to duel a guy in excess of 100 duels in various aircrafts to figure out who is 'better' when it comes to elite sticks. It doesn't matter though, once you get to a certain point it's all in fun and it doesn't matter as long as you get the competitive juices flowing and each guy wins his fair share.
exactly what i said before. There isnt a best. you can be beat on any give day by anyone. You have great sticks, good, ok and learning. but no one is the best.
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Well put, which is why I'll usually say Drex and Levi (they ARE in a class all by themselves), then everyone else. It isn't a "slam" on anyone who is a great stick. It is the bold quote above which has a few people scrambling for 3rd and the rest of say...the top 10. ANYONE from 3rd to 10th could whip each other's arse, but then have a complete outcome every time.
Again, excellent summary Grizz. :rock
Masherbrum.
Do you not think Wilbuz falls under Godlike status with Levi and Drex?
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Well, there must be a reason no-one mentioned you. I don't run into you so you may very well be the terror of the skies but to mention/nominate yourself is really really funny to me :lol :aok
Oh lol I missed that gem.
Ok then Bosco123, I will now dedicate this post to top guns who've been overlooked:
zoozoo
JohnnyRaJr
The whole of TA AeroNOTfighters.
that funny sounding italian kid whos name i can never remember
that jamaican guy "JAH BETTA WATCH OUWT FI DAT HOOOORICAAYN MON"
Masherbrum.
Do you not think Wilbuz falls under Godlike status with Levi and Drex?
Who pays attention to the europeons?!
but yea, wil "HOW IS THAT GUY NOT DEAD YET" buz always had about 8 eyes and 3 brains.
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Never wanted to mention myself as a candidate. 16 pages and no mentions?
Maybe people don't hold you in high enough esteem as you seemed to hold yourself. Just sayin'.
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Masherbrum.
Do you not think Wilbuz falls under Godlike status with Levi and Drex?
I've never come across some "as consistent" as those two Kazaa. Sure they're going to "not land at times", but I don't know of many folks that dogfight with bombs attached to their planes and still land 5+ kills (Drex).
Greebo is the closest "consistent" person to them IMO.
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I've never come across some "as consistent" as those two Kazaa. Sure they're going to "not land at times", but I don't know of many folks that dogfight with bombs attached to their planes and still land 5+ kills (Drex).
Greebo is the closest "consistent" person to them IMO.
So, are you saying Wilbuz wasn't consistent? I'm not sure how it answers Kazaa's question.
He was pretty consistently outnumbered yet annoying the hell out of opposition every time I've seen him.
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Masherbrum.
Do you not think Wilbuz falls under Godlike status with Levi and Drex?
Wilbuz is good or at least was, since he no longer plays but one time flying with Lev really stands out. We're both on the deck with me just having finish taking off and Lev is about 5k away in a Spit V when he is bounced by 6 planes. I tell him that I'm on the way, fully expecting him to have been picked by the time I get there and to my surprise when I do get there, Lev only left one bandit for me to kill as the other 5 were already dead.
Another time, I see Drex in a Ju88 engage 4 bandits and watched him work his magic as he flew that thing like a Spitfire and shot down all 4 bandits in a very short time, think the fight lasted just a couple of minutes.
Watching those two at the top of their game was something definitely to see.
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So, are you saying Wilbuz wasn't consistent? I'm not sure how it answers Kazaa's question.
He was pretty consistently outnumbered yet annoying the hell out of opposition every time I've seen him.
I can only recollect about 3 or 4 times I've come across Wilbuz in the 8+ years I've been playing. Airmess is another "european" who was consistent. Since "some are feeling slighted" in a fit of overreaction.
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Well, there must be a reason no-one mentioned you. I don't run into you so you may very well be the terror of the skies but to mention/nominate yourself is really really funny to me :lol :aok
:rofl :rofl :rofl +1
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Bosco
Grizz
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Batfink
Creton
Agent
SR
mtnman
In that order
a few of my squaddies are pretty fricken good at this game also.... but i'm not going to mention them. :D :cheers:
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Masherbrum.
Do you not think Wilbuz falls under Godlike status with Levi and Drex?
Ahem, Stang told me I am the only Greek God he knows.
Although, it was dark and he was drunk, so may be he was just kidding?
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Does anyone have .ahf footage of Levi and Drex in action? If so please post it as I would love to see what these two could do.
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exactly what i said before. There isnt a best. you can be beat on any give day by anyone. You have great sticks, good, ok and learning. but no one is the best.
There is always a 'best' but I don't think you can objectively figure out who that is unless the top pilots duel a ton and record the results. If you're beating a pilot in excess of 60-70% of the time over the span of a couple dozen duels, you are statistically likely to be better. If however, you are winning or losing in the 45-55% range over a couple dozen duels, it's too close to call and would take a plethora of more duels to determine who is actually 'better'. Last time I dueled Kazaa, the only plane he was better in was the Spit16. Everything else imo was too close to call, not enough data points to conclude anything other than it was very close.
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Does anyone have .ahf footage of Levi and Drex in action? If so please post it as I would love to see what these two could do.
Think batfink has a vid called the pink panther. See if he still has it.
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I've seen the PP vid which was made by Morph, I'm after any raw .ahf footage if pos.
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Can I vote for myself as the worst stick in the game?
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I can say that I have overlooked Texture until he was mentioned in this post. I forgot how good he was in a fight. I've always admired Batfink and Dedalos to be always good all the time.
I think the thought goes that A can beat B on diffrent times, but when A can beat B all the time, and even on the bad days, that's when you know they are good. Batfink and Dedalos are good examples of that. I can only just barely beat them at any given time, no matter what they doing. I have not honestly fought Grizz in the DA in quite a long time (hint hint) so I really don't know how much he has progressed in the past couple of months. I can say when I have fought him, one of us are at the disadvatage with the planes, and one or the other wins.
As far as WMLute goes, and I am sure that I have heard him say this a couple of times, that he is the best when it comes to the SA. He has taught many people when it comes to SA, and that is where he beats most everyone there. Have I beat him a couple of times? Yes, has he beat me a couple of times? Yes.
I still seemed to be overlooked here, I've been able to beat quite a couple of people there, and multipule times to boot. I have quite a few KOTH wins under my belt, only time I don't win now is because I am not there to finish the whole thing, and even then I still come out with a win or a be a wabbit. Everytime I'm there at KOTH to finish it I win. Anytime someone wants me to prove it, I would be glad to.
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definitely not up there bro sorry, I fought ya a bunch of times and from what I recall it was not at all difficult to send ya to tower,as a matter of fact I think we very recently fought in the Mains, and I sent ya to the tower in all of two turns, both times.(I think you had numbers also) no disrespect meant, so don't take it that way, but there are guys that are truly "great" and you just don't make the list. YET keep at it maybe you will achieve that.
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Think batfink has a vid called the pink panther. See if he still has it.
Classic Video!
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Does anyone have .ahf footage of Levi and Drex in action? If so please post it as I would love to see what these two could do.
Unfortunately, unless you have an early version of the AH1 film .exe, the films I have aren't viewable.
ack-ack
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Unfortunately, unless you have an early version of the AH1 film .exe, the films I have aren't viewable.
ack-ack
tis sad isnt it :cry
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Unfortunately, unless you have an early version of the AH1 film .exe, the films I have aren't viewable.
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Was just about to say that... shame really. I got to ride along with Nomak once when he and levi were messing around in the DA. Truly wicked merges.
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There is always a 'best' but I don't think you can objectively figure out who that is unless the top pilots duel a ton and record the results. If you're beating a pilot in excess of 60-70% of the time over the span of a couple dozen duels, you are statistically likely to be better. If however, you are winning or losing in the 45-55% range over a couple dozen duels, it's too close to call and would take a plethora of more duels to determine who is actually 'better'. Last time I dueled Kazaa, the only plane he was better in was the Spit16. Everything else imo was too close to call, not enough data points to conclude anything other than it was very close.
Even that is not the perfect way to measure. There really is no way to measure because like I said before. There to many different styles of flying. Pilot A can beat pilot B, pilot A can't beat pilot C, but pilot B can beat pilot C. It happens all the time. Some can fight many styles of flying but there will always be a few that u can't.
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Unfortunately, unless you have an early version of the AH1 film .exe, the films I have aren't viewable.
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the last version before this big update? i still have that version on my old puter
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Can I vote for myself as the worst stick in the game?
NOPE...thats mine...you can be next to worst :lol
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NOPE...thats mine...you can be next to worst :lol
<Shoves Red out of the way>"Oh pardon me, you drew #1, I have #0.5". :devil
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Does anyone have .ahf footage of Levi and Drex in action? If so please post it as I would love to see what these two could do.
I don't have any of drex's vids but I have quite a few of Leviathn's films. I'll put some of em up.
http://www.filefront.com/15344709/many.ahf
http://www.filefront.com/15344649/cherry.ahf
http://www.filefront.com/15344715/THIS%20is%20a%20furball.ahf
http://www.filefront.com/15344761/03-07-05-Spits-and-N1Ks-Oh-my.ahf
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tis sad isnt it :cry
Was just about to say that... shame really. I got to ride along with Nomak once when he and levi were messing around in the DA. Truly wicked merges.
Yeah, it really is. I would love to see the film viewer get some increased lovin' so it can play films from any version.
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Another time, I see Drex in a Ju88 engage 4 bandits and watched him work his magic as he flew that thing like a Spitfire and shot down all 4 bandits in a very short time, think the fight lasted just a couple of minutes.
I always thought that was myth until I saw the film ... couldn't believe my eyes ... I think he ended up with 6 kills ... a couple of the first 4 came back for some more spankin'.
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the last version before this big update? i still have that version on my old puter
From about 8 years ago.
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I always thought that was myth until I saw the film ... couldn't believe my eyes ... I think he ended up with 6 kills ... a couple of the first 4 came back for some more spankin'.
If I wasn't there to see if for myself, I would have attributed to just another AH urban myth as well. That was probably one of the most skillful displays of airmanship I have ever seen in any flight sim in the 17 years I've been playing these games.
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I don't have any of drex's vids but I have quite a few of Leviathn's films. I'll put some of em up.
http://www.filefront.com/15344633/many.ahf
http://www.filefront.com/15344649/cherry.ahf
http://www.filefront.com/15344715/THIS%20is%20a%20furball.ahf
the 1st 2 links dont work
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I don't have any of drex's vids but I have quite a few of Leviathn's films. I'll put some of em up.
http://www.filefront.com/15344633/many.ahf
http://www.filefront.com/15344649/cherry.ahf
http://www.filefront.com/15344715/THIS%20is%20a%20furball.ahf
WOW ... nice stash/save !!!
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the 1st 2 links dont work
Try now TW
I think filefront is having problems. I had to click some of the links several times before it took me to the DL
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got the last 2 but cant get the 1st im guessin maybe theres a few people already trying to DL .. anyways what terrains are used in the films? the films keeps crashing on me. im guessing i dont have the terrains which could be causing it.
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got the last 2 but cant get the 1st im guessin maybe theres a few people already trying to DL .. anyways what terrains are used in the films? the films keeps crashing on me. im guessing i dont have the terrains which could be causing it.
It's a terrain bug with the new filmviewer. It's been discussed widely in the bug forum.
Some can view them & some can't
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It's a terrain bug with the new filmviewer. It's been discussed widely in the bug forum.
Some can view them & some can't
oh and i thought going and updating all the terrains would be a good idea..... stupid me.. :headscratch:
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Junky I've killed you so many times one on one i think i should have been on your list :)
"The" Bear69
Poser Bear :D I get blamed for you way too much :D
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Even that is not the perfect way to measure. There really is no way to measure because like I said before. There to many different styles of flying. Pilot A can beat pilot B, pilot A can't beat pilot C, but pilot B can beat pilot C. It happens all the time. Some can fight many styles of flying but there will always be a few that u can't.
Idk about that, if you can't adjust your style based on how you are losing then you aren't that good. Same with my poker analogy, if you get exposed playing a certain way and you don't adjust you are going to get killed.
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Some people have a style they prefer hoping to find others who share the same. Players who dont offer less satisfactory fights win or lose. Its not so much changing how they fly to beat others, as it is enjoying the rare fights they have with those like them.
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Some people have a style they prefer hoping to find others who share the same. Players who dont offer less satisfactory fights win or lose. Its not so much changing how they fly to beat others, as it is enjoying the rare fights they have with those like them.
I was talking about a long extended DA session. If you keep dying the exact same way and fail to make an adjustment... :headscratch:
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Idk about that, if you can't adjust your style based on how you are losing then you aren't that good. Same with my poker analogy, if you get exposed playing a certain way and you don't adjust you are going to get killed.
You have to adjust. i agree 100%. As youve seen of me in the DA from the last month. It isnt a matter of getting better. It about adjusting your style. Which is something i never done until this last week or so.
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Grizz I have already noticed what you are talking about fighting against you and Krup. You got some nasty merges that get me alot(but Im starting to figure it out) Krup is nasty when we get into scissors but doesnt merge(or aim) quite as good as you. For me to beat you I need to drag the fight on longer, for me to beat krup I need to get him quick, which I try to with a little throttle action on the merge.
I still lose most though........But when I get back its on!!!!!
Ink I was just giving Bear a hard time because I found him Bnzing in a hurri one day :D
:salute
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Don't forget about me! Just about everyone listed there I have beat in an even dual.
Lol. Modesty at it's finest.
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Grizz I have already noticed what you are talking about fighting against you and Krup. You got some nasty merges that get me alot(but Im starting to figure it out) Krup is nasty when we get into scissors but doesnt merge(or aim) quite as good as you. For me to beat you I need to drag the fight on longer, for me to beat krup I need to get him quick, which I try to with a little throttle action on the merge.
I still lose most though........But when I get back its on!!!!!
Ink I was just giving Bear a hard time because I found him Bnzing in a hurri one day :D
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my mistake :( I just see so much crap about the Hurri and it gets under my skin cuz I love that plane, but I understand :salute
I love BnZin in the Hurri its funny when people don't expect that you can zoom up to them LOL but its definitely not its strong suit.
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I personally like when their wings peel off in a high G turn.
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Junky I've killed you so many times one on one i think i should have been on your list :)
"The" Bear69
Bear your idea of a one on one is you being at 20k diving on a fighter already engaged.
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Bear your idea of a one on one is you being at 20k diving on a fighter already engaged.
ouch! :lol
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ouch! :lol
Although not on often, pervert should be on the 'Top Sticks' list.
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Although not on often, pervert should be on the 'Top Sticks' list.
QFT.
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Junky.....where is the updated count???????????
I wanna see my name in lights.... :x
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Sorry to burst your bubbles, but stogey could whip the crap out of anyone any day. He could be flying one handed, wife barking at him, dog yelling to get off the puter while he is kicking the cat across the room.
All that aside, im not up on the new blood but back when I was in the dueling circuit my money on top three would be drex levi and nath.
I recall fighting drex in the combat theater, he was in a yak T i believe dont remember what i was in. Hell i even had a wingy at that time and neither of us could get a shot off. we would get close, then he would throw some pixie dust out and next thing ya know hes behind ya.
Also as some have mentioned, its not just his insane flying skills but his really humble attitude. you could be sitting off the runway in a tank playing whack a mole as he spawns and he would still throw ya a salute.
ive never dueled drex or levi, i have fought the guys in the MA though. levi could do things in his spit that would defy logic. ive also had the pleasure of riding jumpseat with lev a few times watching in amazement as he dispatched five or six cons at a time.
last but not least there is nath. I had the honor of dueling him for several hours one day, in what i considered my best dueling plane (spit 5) and had very long intense fights leaving me in the tower every time. i posted the films of these duels a long time ago, and if memory serves he was back from a break shaking rust off.
And when levi and nath would get together for 2v2s you couldnt help but feel like you just got back stage passes for your favorite band while watching these guys.
to be honest im not sure if we will ever see guys of this caliber flying again. im not sure what drex or nath are up to these days, but last i heard levi is still playing fairies in warcraft. :)
i really feel honored to have been able to play with and mostly against these guys.
regards,
kjetil
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Without question the best "stick" in the game is the "stick" at the top of every tree.
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Challenge is Voss? wtf?
Can say with no doubt at all Chalenge has only been Chalenge & no one else.
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Can say with no doubt at all Chalenge has only been Chalenge & no one else.
Only if you don't count the time he was VOSS.
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me, (narcissism never hurt anyone)
probably Greebo, and Connery
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Only if you don't count the time he was VOSS.
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No he never was. :aok
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No he never was. :aok
Voss's ex-squaddies (418th Hornets) have confirmed it Lyric.
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I still seemed to be overlooked here, I've been able to beat quite a couple of people there, and multipule times to boot. I have quite a few KOTH wins under my belt, only time I don't win now is because I am not there to finish the whole thing, and even then I still come out with a win or a be a wabbit. Everytime I'm there at KOTH to finish it I win. Anytime someone wants me to prove it, I would be glad to.
I have none of that and got one honorary mention! :neener:
Since we're in a self-promoting mood, I nominate myself as one of, if not THE, worst stick in the game.
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Stogey could take on everyone mentioned at once and still come out on top.
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Voss's ex-squaddies (418th Hornets) have confirmed it Lyric.
From what I know he has not been in any other squad but the one I am in & always a Bishop. Plus I remember Voss being on 200 a long time back while I was flying with Chalange so to me seems unlikely. He has been playing this game pretty much from the beginning & I have no clue who the 418Th Hornets are? They an old squad?
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Madhat
Scooby
Limbo0
Duckdown
Brewster
Mcboi
Tralzfazz
Madkow
DMGOD
AKDOGG
Thndregg
TTflier
Vega
Thunder
GHI
JOKER
etc.
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Madhat
Scooby
Limbo0
Duckdown
Brewster
Mcboi
Tralzfazz
Madkow
DMGOD
AKDOGG
Thndregg
TTflier
Vega
Thunder
GHI
JOKER
etc.
This list will not be counted lol, who the heck bumped this thread I thought I was gunna get out of counting :)
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From what I know he has not been in any other squad but the one I am in & always a Bishop. Plus I remember Voss being on 200 a long time back while I was flying with Chalange so to me seems unlikely. He has been playing this game pretty much from the beginning & I have no clue who the 418Th Hornets are? They an old squad?
That was Rod367th. He reeled in a few that night. :rofl
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I was counting and the same names kept popping up as before with Agent's first tally
Grizz (in the lead by far)
SunsFan
Lazer
DrBone
SkyRock
Del
Agent360
Kazaa
Wmaker
Bruv119
a few others I saw get alot since that tally was
Kappa
Greebo
WMLute
TonyJoey
TC
Krupnski
Sorry I didnt keep a better record of this, Im on leave right now spending some time with the Family after a year in Korea, Feels good to be back on US soil :salute
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Glad you are home :aok
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From what I know he has not been in any other squad but the one I am in & always a Bishop. Plus I remember Voss being on 200 a long time back while I was flying with Chalange so to me seems unlikely. He has been playing this game pretty much from the beginning & I have no clue who the 418Th Hornets are? They an old squad?
You're probably thinking of the time a vet was Voss as a shade account over half a year ago or so. That probably made Chalenge feel safe though which is why he made an effort to point it out to you. 'I can't be Voss if Voss is on!' :lol :rolleyes:
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Only if you don't count the time he was VOSS.
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...or megatard ooops I mean metatron. :D
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BBS---- hgtonyvi
Ingame- Rud3boi
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Sry wrong thread but Rud3boi should be here also
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I'm still not on this list??? After all those checks I sent out. Heck they ALL couldn't have bounced ! :P
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I'm still not on this list??? After all those checks I sent out. Heck they ALL couldn't have bounced ! :P
As far as I'm concerned most here know the top tier sticks.....
probably the deadliest I have come across of late and will endeavor to get better against is Grizz...only problem here is he doesn't play with his food..it's just BOOM ...head shot ...hahaha
of late fun fights
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ardy
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ya hoo I got mentioned once by Tongs!!!! :) :) :cheers:
(or should I have said Ja wohl! considering I fly the G14)?
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Junky is either currently stuffed in some crate in the back of a military air transport, or recovering from jet lag at the nearest watering hole to the exit ramp.
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You're probably thinking of the time a vet was Voss as a shade account over half a year ago or so. That probably made Chalenge feel safe though which is why he made an effort to point it out to you. 'I can't be Voss if Voss is on!' :lol :rolleyes:
This was more like 3 to 4 years ago.
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This was more like 3 to 4 years ago.
No, Rod used "Voss" about 2 years ago. Metatron 4-5 years ago, WAS "The Scorpion King" Voss.
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Paul = Paul
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No, Rod used "Voss" about 2 years ago. Metatron 4-5 years ago, WAS "The Scorpion King" Voss.
Starting to sound like I AM SPARTACUS to me. :D
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Starting to sound like I AM SPARTACUS to me. :D
No. You're trying debunk something, that cannot be debunked Lyric.
Rod is a good friend of mine and PM'd me that night he "reeled em in", letting me know "Voss" was Rod.
Metatron WAS Paul Hinds aka "Scorpion King" aka Voss. You obviously missed Bronks quote of "Metatrons" ex-squaddie SirLoin in the 418th Hornets.
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No. You're trying debunk something, that cannot be debunked Lyric.
Rod is a good friend of mine and PM'd me that night he "reeled em in", letting me know "Voss" was Rod.
Metatron WAS Paul Hinds aka "Scorpion King" aka Voss. You obviously missed Bronks quote of "Metatrons" ex-squaddie SirLoin in the 418th Hornets.
No I was trying to be witty :aok I FAILED :(
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Don't forget GPreddy!!!
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Don't forget GPreddy!!!
:rofl :rofl haven't seent hat name in about 5 years. :noid
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Junky is either currently stuffed in some crate in the back of a military air transport, or recovering from jet lag at the nearest watering hole to the exit ramp.
It is alittle wierd to land 2 hours before you took off on the same day..... :headscratch: :D
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Stogey could take on everyone mentioned at once and still come out on top.
Yep...gotta side with Mensa and Kj on this one, Stogey will break out that 55gal drum of whooparse in his back room!
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It is alittle wierd to land 2 hours before you took off on the same day..... :headscratch: :D
Yep just did that my self this week.
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Lot of great sticks on the list. Ill leave it to others who they think is the best. I suck so bad the list would be huge. I can give an ok fight. But the ones that can own me. <S> you know who you are.
I find it interesting of how much skill they do have to be in the top 1%. but the difference between the top 1% and the top 5% can still be night and day.
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Lot of great sticks on the list. Ill leave it to others who they think is the best. I suck so bad the list would be huge. I can give an ok fight. But the ones that can own me. <S> you know who you are.
I find it interesting of how much skill they do have to be in the top 1%. but the difference between the top 1% and the top 5% can still be night and day.
I desagree. I think the differences at top are very small. They could mean that player a beats player b 100% of the time but all it would take to equilize them is a small adjustment and the rolles will be reversed. Of corse player A will adjust eventually reversing the roles again. This process goes on constantly and that us why you cant have one best. Depends on the day. That is for top 10%. Below that theres chaos lol
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I desagree. I think the differences at top are very small. They could mean that player a beats player b 100% of the time but all it would take to equilize them is a small adjustment and the rolles will be reversed. Of corse player A will adjust eventually reversing the roles again. This process goes on constantly and that us why you cant have one best. Depends on the day. That is for top 10%. Below that theres chaos lol
Told someone I was training just yesterday that the diff. between the top 10 and the top 100 is energy management. The top 10 can squeeze that LITTLE EXTRA out of their rides and gain angle/advantage.
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Lot of great sticks on the list. Ill leave it to others who they think is the best. I suck so bad the list would be huge. I can give an ok fight. But the ones that can own me. <S> you know who you are.
I find it interesting of how much skill they do have to be in the top 1%. but the difference between the top 1% and the top 5% can still be night and day.
I would hardly say you suk :salute
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I desagree. I think the differences at top are very small. They could mean that player a beats player b 100% of the time but all it would take to equilize them is a small adjustment and the rolles will be reversed. Of corse player A will adjust eventually reversing the roles again. This process goes on constantly and that us why you cant have one best. Depends on the day. That is for top 10%. Below that theres chaos lol
I agree to an extent but I would argue the better of the two will be able to make effective adjustments between fights quicker and win more fights in a large sample sized set.
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Told someone I was training just yesterday that the diff. between the top 10 and the top 100 is energy management. The top 10 can squeeze that LITTLE EXTRA out of their rides and gain angle/advantage.
Id have to disagree about the difference being energy. IMO the piloting ability of the top 10% is about the same, the aim though is where the difference is made, I know alot of the good sticks "give a shot, to take a shot" and they win the fight because they make the shot.
not saying Im right just my opinion :salute
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the top 20% kick my tail. but it sure is fun.
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Id have to disagree about the difference being energy. IMO the piloting ability of the top 10% is about the same, the aim though is where the difference is made, I know alot of the good sticks "give a shot, to take a shot" and they win the fight because they make the shot.
not saying Im right just my opinion :salute
you are more right then you relize, "The better "shot" will almost always win against the better "stick", wish I could remember who said that, it was an WW2 ace, I also have seen it first hand in AH.
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you are more right then you relize, "The better "shot" will almost always win against the better "stick", wish I could remember who said that, it was an WW2 ace, I also have seen it first hand in AH.
I should have also added the ability to "scrub" a shot, or make it more difficult to read where you going to be when you do come towards your opponents guns :salute
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I agree to an extent but I would argue the better of the two will be able to make effective adjustments between fights quicker and win more fights in a large sample sized set.
True dat
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Hey Ded we are in violent agreement. on the top sticks
If you take the top 6% and they can beat the other 94% most of the time. If you then take the top 1% they can beat the next 5% most of the time. IM not so sure it is the top 10% of sticks. If there are just 6000 sticks in the game the top 1% would be just about 60 names. Of the top 60 we are in agreement. I just don't think that there are 60 names on the list.
Just my 2cents worth.
fun fights by the way the other night, Still can't get past 4 merges with you most of the time, but i will keep trying.
:salute
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you are more right then you relize, "The better "shot" will almost always win against the better "stick", wish I could remember who said that, it was an WW2 ace, I also have seen it first hand in AH.
If I could shoot I would be one dangerous mofo. Unfortunately poor gunnery and ACM are my strong points :D
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I desagree. I think the differences at top are very small. They could mean that player a beats player b 100% of the time but all it would take to equilize them is a small adjustment and the rolles will be reversed. Of corse player A will adjust eventually reversing the roles again. This process goes on constantly and that us why you cant have one best. Depends on the day. That is for top 10%. Below that theres chaos lol
I think something being missed here is time spent in the game flying too. Anyone of the 'top sticks' would surely show rust and lose the edge if they weren't flying as much as they do. That and a person has to have the desire to be one of those 'top sticks' for whatever it's worth, if anything.
The other balancing act is maintaining the fun at the same time. Any of us that have been playing AH or back to AW and WB can name any number of 'top sticks' who got so wrapped up in it that they got miserable and their fun disappeared as they read their press clippings and felt the need to prove it to the point they never lost a fight legitimately.
As long as it remains fun, go for it :aok
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I know I can't count how many hours/days/weeks of time I have spent helping out this community.
What have YOU done Voss except lie and scam the community for money?
Now go slink back under whatever rock scum like you crawls out of.
Why does Rule # 4 not apply in the above post?
4- Flamebaiting, flaming, being abusing, being disrepectful, trolling, spamming or posting to incite or annoy is not allowed. If you cannot make a positive contribution to the thread, then just stay out of it.
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Lute was telling him straight.
Skuzzy would have moderated the post if he felt that it broke any rules.
I quote rule #6 in regards to your post.
6- Members are asked to not act as "back seat moderators". Issues with any breach of rules should be brought to HTC's attention via email at support@hitechcreations.com.
and now I may have broken it myself :D
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Why does Rule # 4 not apply in the above post?
4- Flamebaiting, flaming, being abusing, being disrepectful, trolling, spamming or posting to incite or annoy is not allowed. If you cannot make a positive contribution to the thread, then just stay out of it.
there is a special "Voss" rule which overides all other rules.
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Why does Rule # 4 not apply in the above post?
4- Flamebaiting, flaming, being abusing, being disrepectful, trolling, spamming or posting to incite or annoy is not allowed. If you cannot make a positive contribution to the thread, then just stay out of it.
I have noticed previously that HTC seems to use moderators that employ a double standard with certain individuals.
I want everyone to know that my entire squad has been watching and reading your threads about this. Personally I find it insulting and immature of you but that is in keeping with many of your personalities and I guess thats all part of being geeks on the internet.
Many of my squad members (not all of them and certainly not myself) are members of the law enforcement community extending from the streets to international intelligence gathering. It would not hurt some of their resumes to put someone guilty of the crimes you have outlined into the court system and prosecute him. So... if you have ROCK HARD evidence that I am this individual AND you can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that there has been a crime commited (and scamming the community out of money as Lute suggested would be a crime alright) then post your evidence... otherwise you are engaging in a crime yourselves.
Personally I look at it like this (after reading god knows how many time wasting pages)... we are surrounded by moonbats! If someone told me... 'I own a P-51' and 'I flew an F-16 for Israel' and then suggested they needed contributions to build a video game? Do I even need to tell you my reaction? Only a raving lunatic would buy that (therefore moonbats). If you really fell for that one... prove it to me so I know which moonbats to laugh at. Honestly folks we are playing a video game on the internet and if you want to be a scorpion wielding spy for Israel its fine... really. You really think WAY too much of yourselves but if it floats your boat... cool.
Growing up is still an option too. :aok
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Didn't you do this last time someone exposed you too? I mean I got an eerie sense of deja vu reading that.
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How do you delete something when it is posted in the wrong thread other than modifying the message body?
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I have noticed previously that HTC seems to use moderators that employ a double standard with certain individuals.
I want everyone to know that my entire squad has been watching and reading your threads about this. Personally I find it insulting and immature of you but that is in keeping with many of your personalities and I guess thats all part of being geeks on the internet.
Many of my squad members (not all of them and certainly not myself) are members of the law enforcement community extending from the streets to international intelligence gathering. It would not hurt some of their resumes to put someone guilty of the crimes you have outlined into the court system and prosecute him. So... if you have ROCK HARD evidence that I am this individual AND you can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that there has been a crime commited (and scamming the community out of money as Lute suggested would be a crime alright) then post your evidence... otherwise you are engaging in a crime yourselves.
Personally I look at it like this (after reading god knows how many time wasting pages)... we are surrounded by moonbats! If someone told me... 'I own a P-51' and 'I flew an F-16 for Israel' and then suggested they needed contributions to build a video game? Do I even need to tell you my reaction? Only a raving lunatic would buy that (therefore moonbats). If you really fell for that one... prove it to me so I know which moonbats to laugh at. Honestly folks we are playing a video game on the internet and if you want to be a scorpion wielding spy for Israel its fine... really. You really think WAY too much of yourselves but if it floats your boat... cool.
Growing up is still an option too. :aok
you just proved you are "voss" by this reply.
whats funny is you did not once reply in that thread "...flight sim" if I had even 1 person trying to say that stuff about me I would do what ever it took to show them the error of there ways.... you on the other hand NOT one reply???????????????????????????????????
so as far as I am concerned you are "voss" and after reading this reply from you, I am even more convinced it is you, for you sound just like a guilty party explaining it away, calling victims in a scam "moonbats" ya you are a real piece of work, you are without a doubt "exposed" as they say....you are a disgrace to the human race and should be exterminated just like a cockroach would be, stepped on real hard.
one thing I know for sure is what comes around goes around, if you are not getting it back yet...you will.
Paul "INK" Fields
PS I give you MY name maybe you can get one of your LEO buddies (:rofl) to come explain to me you really are not who they say you are, my advise to you is go back under the rock you crawled out from.
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Respect for the God like sticks which I've come across in days past.
Wilbuz.
ManeTMP/BluKitty.
Levi.
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I can't remember if it was a Koth or just running into ManeTMP in the MA, but I got into a real turner with him, after he eventually tore me to shreds he said -good job, you lasted about 10 turns more than most would -
I felt so proud lol -isn't that sad?
LOL
NwBie
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I have noticed previously that HTC seems to use moderators that employ a double standard with certain individuals.
I want everyone to know that my entire squad has been watching and reading your threads about this. Personally I find it insulting and immature of you but that is in keeping with many of your personalities and I guess thats all part of being geeks on the internet.
Many of my squad members (not all of them and certainly not myself) are members of the law enforcement community extending from the streets to international intelligence gathering. It would not hurt some of their resumes to put someone guilty of the crimes you have outlined into the court system and prosecute him. So... if you have ROCK HARD evidence that I am this individual AND you can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that there has been a crime commited (and scamming the community out of money as Lute suggested would be a crime alright) then post your evidence... otherwise you are engaging in a crime yourselves.
Personally I look at it like this (after reading god knows how many time wasting pages)... we are surrounded by moonbats! If someone told me... 'I own a P-51' and 'I flew an F-16 for Israel' and then suggested they needed contributions to build a video game? Do I even need to tell you my reaction? Only a raving lunatic would buy that (therefore moonbats). If you really fell for that one... prove it to me so I know which moonbats to laugh at. Honestly folks we are playing a video game on the internet and if you want to be a scorpion wielding spy for Israel its fine... really. You really think WAY too much of yourselves but if it floats your boat... cool.
Growing up is still an option too. :aok
LMAO new tag same shtick. :rofl :rofl :rofl Voss get some new material. :rofl :rofl
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It's better to keep your mouth shut and thought a fool then open it and remove all doubt = Mark Twain.......<----my wifes kin folk :D
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Respect for the God like sticks which I've come across in days past.
Wilbuz.
ManeTMP/BluKitty.
Levi.
I can't remember if it was a Koth or just running into ManeTMP in the MA, but I got into a real turner with him, after she eventually tore me to shreds she said -good job, you lasted about 10 turns more than most would -
I felt so proud lol -isn't that sad?
LOL
NwBie
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Bwahahahhhaahaaaahaa
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Unrelated: Urchin are you playing again?
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Deja vu here as well Urchin.
If I cared to waste more than a min. of my time on that scum I would dig up some of the other "outed" threads so we can compare 'em.
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Not to hijack the hijack, but this is a respobse to Dan, i think lol.
Getting better is a side effect of having fun. The more you stay up the more you get to fight, the more fun you are having (if fighting is fun for you). So, the better tou get at fighting, the more fun you are having. If bombing is what is fun for someone, then they will get really good at it. So, in my opinion, if you are good at something, you have fun doibg it.
I agree on trying to show every one you are always the best. That however is a personality/character thing and would apply even in if the person was nowhere near the best. Read thor threads for examples lol
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Deja vu here as well Urchin.
If I cared to waste more than a min. of my time on that scum I would dig up some of the other "outed" threads so we can compare 'em.
Never fails to amaze me. You bozos think you can mandate the actions of anyone in the genre. I'm not going anywhere, and it doesn't look like the Hornets take their orders from you bozos, either.
Sorry Voss, but you seem to always bring your squads into it. You did it with 13tas and I as well most of the Hornets stuck up for you while we were with them. Hopefully your current squad doesn't make the same mistake.
Anyone that sent money, provide proof. I will return any money you SUCKERS lost. Apparently you fell victim to Hobuss, not I, but I will make good on this promise to return funds.
FesterA77, I suggest you go **** yourself. You weren't involved in any of the debacle of TAS, obviously, as you are too young to have even been around.
I also know it's you flying under the handle of VOSS. Hobuss couldn't manage to score with an 80yr old hooker.
I have noticed previously that HTC seems to use moderators that employ a double standard with certain individuals.
I want everyone to know that my entire squad has been watching and reading your threads about this. Personally I find it insulting and immature of you but that is in keeping with many of your personalities and I guess thats all part of being geeks on the internet.
Many of my squad members (not all of them and certainly not myself) are members of the law enforcement community extending from the streets to international intelligence gathering. It would not hurt some of their resumes to put someone guilty of the crimes you have outlined into the court system and prosecute him. So... if you have ROCK HARD evidence that I am this individual AND you can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that there has been a crime commited (and scamming the community out of money as Lute suggested would be a crime alright) then post your evidence... otherwise you are engaging in a crime yourselves.
Personally I look at it like this (after reading god knows how many time wasting pages)... we are surrounded by moonbats! If someone told me... 'I own a P-51' and 'I flew an F-16 for Israel' and then suggested they needed contributions to build a video game? Do I even need to tell you my reaction? Only a raving lunatic would buy that (therefore moonbats). If you really fell for that one... prove it to me so I know which moonbats to laugh at. Honestly folks we are playing a video game on the internet and if you want to be a scorpion wielding spy for Israel its fine... really. You really think WAY too much of yourselves but if it floats your boat... cool.
Growing up is still an option too. :aok
Just go back to your hole and conger up another alt, but this time restrain yourself from re-corking your mouth with your foot.
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Hmmm
If, you think you have a case, call the twittleing FBI. I talk with them about once every two months.
From
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,64327.0.html
Have a nice day Voss. :aok
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Hmmm
From
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,64327.0.html
Have a nice day Voss. :aok
The writing styles are identical. Except Voss picked up a new word in the last year, "moonbats". :lol
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Didn't you do this last time someone exposed you too? I mean I got an eerie sense of deja vu reading that.
Switch "LEO" for "FBI" and it would be the same as the last time VOSS...errr I mean Chalenge was exposed.
ack-ack
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Switch "LEO" for "FBI" and it would be the same as the last time VOSS...errr I mean Chalenge was exposed.
ack-ack
You forgot about the international intelligence gathering. Many of my squad members (not all of them and certainly not myself) are members of the law enforcement community extending from the streets to international intelligence gathering.
Sounds like CIA to me. :noid
*snicker*
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Lyric you wanted "proof", your CO gave it to you.
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Unrelated: Urchin are you playing again?
No, I'm not.
I may come back in a couple years once my life settles down some, but right now I'm saving up to buy a house so I don't feel like shelling out the money for a new setup.
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Lyric you wanted "proof", your CO gave it to you.
Again I stand by my former posts Chalange is not Voss irespective of any other thoughts by any one else.
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The hornets thought the same of metatron...
If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck....it is a duck.
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Again I stand by my former posts Chalange is not Voss irespective of any other thoughts by any one else.
You were unaware of certain facts, let alone Voss's previous Squad. Now you're an authority of all that is Paul "Voss" Hinds?
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I started this thread so new guys could look up people that could possible give them some good training while no trainers were on...............this Voss stuff needs its own thread, kinda ruined mine.
thanks :salute
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I was not here when this whole Voss thing started, but I will say this.
Personally, I don't know lyric, I have seen him a couple of times in the MA, and most of the time when I have somthing to say to him, it has to be negative. As much as he may not say Chalenge is not Voss (and I will not say weather or not I agree) it his belifs, and I'm sure he is not going to become an assesory to Voss to scam money off of people. I'm pretty sure that lyric has a cool head about that.
Karaya, take it from a freind, don't make this a salem witch trial, if you know what I mean. You can do nothing more than what you have proven to him already.
Unfortunetly, this thread is more than likey going to be locked for the extreme hijack that his has taken, even if it is Voss, because now we are starting to affect other members of the community.
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I was not here when this whole Voss thing started, but I will say this.
then edit this out, since you know only what you have read others post........ this serves no purpose, Bosco...seriously
Personally, I don't know lyric, I have seen him a couple of times in the MA, and most of the time when I have somthing to say to him, it has to be negative.
then edit this, it looks like you trying to flame lyric1, and start your own flame war.best advice is to edit tis out
As much as he may not say Chalenge is not Voss (and I will not say weather or not I agree) it his belifs, and I'm sure he is not going to become an assesory to Voss to scam money off of people. I'm pretty sure that lyric has a cool head about that.
Karaya, take it from a freind, don't make this a salem witch trial, if you know what I mean. You can do nothing more than what you have proven to him already.
drop this part as well..you just adding to this hijack, and not helping JunkyII's original message
Unfortunetly, this thread is more than likey going to be locked for the extreme hijack that his has taken, even if it is Voss, because now we are starting to affect other members of the community.
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Keep this last part :aok :aok this is very well put.......
for the record...... I postd your name/gameid way back before you blew your top....... but I guess you never saw that :D
( you modify/edit your post and I will edit/remove the same quotes of what you remove, just trying to help you here Bosco )
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Many of my squad members (not all of them and certainly not myself) are members of the law enforcement community extending from the streets to international intelligence gathering. It would not hurt some of their resumes to put someone guilty of the crimes you have outlined into the court system and prosecute him. So... if you have ROCK HARD evidence that I am this individual AND you can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that there has been a crime commited (and scamming the community out of money as Lute suggested would be a crime alright) then post your evidence... otherwise you are engaging in a crime yourselves.
The Voss Secret Police :noid
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Many of my squad members (not all of them and certainly not myself) are members of the law enforcement community extending from the streets to international intelligence gathering. It would not hurt some of their resumes to put someone guilty of the crimes you have outlined into the court system and prosecute him. So... if you have ROCK HARD evidence that I am this individual AND you can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that there has been a crime commited (and scamming the community out of money as Lute suggested would be a crime alright) then post your evidence... otherwise you are engaging in a crime yourselves.
What crime would that be ? Discussing the internet persona of a cartoon pilot , I'm sure the FBI are just waiting around the phones for a chance to bust this case wide open.
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Wow. Chalenge, voss, whatever you truely dont get it. You poor mother...Your going to miss everything cool and die angry.
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I started this thread so new guys could look up people that could possible give them some good training while no trainers were on...............this Voss stuff needs its own thread, kinda ruined mine.
thanks :salute
I agree !
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I started this thread so new guys could look up people that could possible give them some good training while no trainers were on...............this Voss stuff needs its own thread, kinda ruined mine.
Trainers are always available via e-mail, I set up most of my 1:1 time with people that way. To date, I've had to bail on two students; the first one I was medically under the weather and the other was last night when my computer's ram died.
In regards to the other comment, I'm not getting involved in the Voss discussion.
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Trainers are always available via e-mail, I set up most of my 1:1 time with people that way. To date, I've had to bail on two students; the first one I was medically under the weather and the other was last night when my computer's ram died.
In regards to the other comment, I'm not getting involved in the Voss discussion.
I call BS, there is no medical condition called "under the weather" and if your "ram died" you could have used a sheep. There is plenty and they are free :rofl :rofl :rofl
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TC, why? I'm pretty sure that Fester's post was quite clear, and to the point were it was explicit enough for me to understand the details as to what happened back in the Voss days. I'm not worried about Chalenge, for I think the evidence is irrefutable, but now when we start to banter people in the community, and to boot he's a respected AH member, to me it sounds a bit uncivilized. I may not agree with some of the things said in this post, but I don't feel the need to start burning them at the steak for it. Most of it dosn't have to do with what I have said. Just the fact that I don't want to go on a parade for everyone that dosn't want to agree.
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I have noticed previously that HTC seems to use moderators that employ a double standard with certain individuals.
I want everyone to know that my entire squad has been watching and reading your threads about this. Personally I find it insulting and immature of you but that is in keeping with many of your personalities and I guess thats all part of being geeks on the internet.
Many of my squad members (not all of them and certainly not myself) are members of the law enforcement community extending from the streets to international intelligence gathering. It would not hurt some of their resumes to put someone guilty of the crimes you have outlined into the court system and prosecute him. So... if you have ROCK HARD evidence that I am this individual AND you can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that there has been a crime commited (and scamming the community out of money as Lute suggested would be a crime alright) then post your evidence... otherwise you are engaging in a crime yourselves.
Personally I look at it like this (after reading god knows how many time wasting pages)... we are surrounded by moonbats! If someone told me... 'I own a P-51' and 'I flew an F-16 for Israel' and then suggested they needed contributions to build a video game? Do I even need to tell you my reaction? Only a raving lunatic would buy that (therefore moonbats). If you really fell for that one... prove it to me so I know which moonbats to laugh at. Honestly folks we are playing a video game on the internet and if you want to be a scorpion wielding spy for Israel its fine... really. You really think WAY too much of yourselves but if it floats your boat... cool.
Growing up is still an option too. :aok
Would you like to invest in my new sim?
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TC, why? I'm pretty sure that Fester's post was quite clear, and to the point were it was explicit enough for me to understand the details as to what happened back in the Voss days. I'm not worried about Chalenge, for I think the evidence is irrefutable, but now when we start to banter people in the community, and to boot he's a respected AH member, to me it sounds a bit uncivilized. I may not agree with some of the things said in this post, but I don't feel the need to start burning them at the steak for it. Most of it dosn't have to do with what I have said. Just the fact that I don't want to go on a parade for everyone that dosn't want to agree.
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Chalenge is and has been a respected member of the AH community? Too funny.
ack-ack
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wtf is a "moonbat"?? :huh talk about g33ks, thats the dorkiest soup i've ever heard :lol :lol
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Would you like to invest in my new sim?
:D
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ok back on topic.... Bosco I change my view, no I don't think you are up in the tops, BUT you are better then I thought, actually not bad at all, and I will say you are a way better shot then I am, (allthough that's really not a complament cuz 578256486 is a better shot then me :D) You are on your way to becoming very good.
You fought with Honor and respect, and to me that is more important then being the "Best" :salute
Paul "INK" Fields
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<<<Snipped for the health of the community>>>
LOL
So the secret agents in your squad have revealed their id's and jobs to you? WOW. You must be important........
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What crime would that be ? Discussing the internet persona of a cartoon pilot , I'm sure the FBI are just waiting around the phones for a chance to bust this case wide open.
:rofl :rofl
(http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll280/bucky626/internetsoldier0rr.jpg?t=1264453690)
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Rod is a good friend of mine and PM'd me that night he "reeled em in", letting me know "Voss" was Rod.
Metatron WAS Paul Hinds aka "Scorpion King" aka Voss. You obviously missed Bronks quote of "Metatrons" ex-squaddie SirLoin in the 418th Hornets.
Challenge is Voss.
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Challenge is Voss.
:banana: :banana: :banana:
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See Rules #2, #4
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Chalenge is and has been a respected member of the AH community? Too funny.
ack-ack
I was sticking up for lyric, not for Chalenge.
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wtf is a "moonbat"?? :huh talk about g33ks, thats the dorkiest soup i've ever heard :lol :lol
Moonbat is a slang term for a leftist liberal.....guess Voss views himself as right wing. LOL ripping off the community at large and making up silly Lies to make yourself feel better is indicative of both political parties.
Perhaps he's got a lil Moonbat in him as well.....
Perhaps.....
He was bit by Moonbat......
On a SpecOP mission.....
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F.Y.I
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moonbat
gotta love wikipedia
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F.Y.I
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moonbat
gotta love wikipedia
LOL!
From the 'Moonbat' Wiki
Examples of usage
A popular put down of Chalenge, an expert in high altitude fuel conservation, frequently uses "Moonbat" as a defensive response. Some have attributed this to the long lasting effects of being bitten by a red scorpion and his 'black-ops' missions for the CIA during the 1st Gulf War.
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F.Y.I
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moonbat
gotta love wikipedia
OMG that is awesome!
A popular put down of Chalenge, an expert in high altitude fuel conservation, frequently uses "Moonbat" as a defensive response. Some have attributed this to the long lasting effects of being bitten by a red scorpion and his 'black-ops' missions for the CIA during the 1st Gulf War.
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From the 'Moonbat' Wiki
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Funny addition ack-ack... I wonder how long it will take the wiki mods to take it out.
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Funny addition ack-ack... I wonder how long it will take the wiki mods to take it out.
<whistles innocently>
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Challenge is Voss.
Nice fights the other night. <S>
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I peed my pants. Ack Ack we :salute YOUUUUUUUU
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LMAO you guys are brutal lol :aok
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LOL!
Etymology
According to an article by self-described New York Times "language maven" William Safire, the term was first used by High Altitude fuel conservation expert pilot and game developer Paul "VOSS/Chalenge" Hinds in 2010.[1] Hinds used the term in a 2010 forum thread, "New Bomber Tactic (not so new) ," mainly as a self-descriptive term to describe himself as he flies above 35,000ft while finding new ways to conserve fuel at high altitudes. Descriptions of bat-like people at this altitude has been attributed to the lasting effects of a heart attack enducing bite by the dreaded and often maligned Red Scorpion and also from chemotherapy treatments from a bout of brain cancer. One explanation for the current political use is that the term was derived from the name of liberal author George Monbiot but we all know it's because Chalenge said it and he's cool so we give him credit.
[edit] Examples of usage
Chalenge aka Voss has been closely associated with "Moonbats" since his flights into Iraqi airspace as a member of a super secret intelligence gathering unit. In the early stages of the first Gulf War he was shot down in his F16 while on a superduper secret mission into enemy territory. He survived after finding a family of "Moonbats" that took him in. He later married the Chief "Moonbats" daughter and brought her back to the USA. He now lives in Moonrovia Arkansas with his wife Moonronica and their 2 children. He frequently participates in The annual "Moonbat" telethon on Faux News.
A popular put down of Chalenge, an expert in high altitude fuel conservation, frequently uses "Moonbat" as a defensive response. Some have attributed this to the long lasting effects of being bitten by a red scorpion and his 'black-ops' missions for the CIA during the 1st Gulf War.
TW9 IS a Moonbat
TwinBoom Shot down Chalenge over the Gulf his F-16 was badly Pwned but he claimed it wasnt a fair fight do to the lingering effects of a scorpion bite he suffered in the Leet black ops.
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BRILLIANT :aok
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Although the writing styles/excuses appear to be dead on for Voss, I would like to hear what lyric has to say to defend Chalenge.
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Although the writing styles/excuses appear to be dead on for Voss, I would like to hear what lyric has to say to defend Chalenge.
I have already said it. It is not him.
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I have already said it. It is not him.
Sounds like you have a lot of facts.
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Sounds like you have a lot of facts.
A lot more than baseless internet accusations yes.
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Although the writing styles/excuses appear to be dead on for Voss, I would like to hear what lyric has to say to defend Chalenge.
I, personally, would like for it to be dropped and continue to talk about the good sticks in the game. ;)
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A lot more than baseless internet accusations yes.
The 'baseless internet accusations' are better than your 'baseless internet defensive'. If you want to clear Chalenge's name, why don't you post some facts? Until then, you are looking very foolish defending the guy hook line and sinker.
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TC, why? I'm pretty sure that Fester's post was quite clear, and to the point were it was explicit enough for me to understand the details as to what happened back in the Voss days. I'm not worried about Chalenge, for I think the evidence is irrefutable, but now when we start to banter people in the community, and to boot he's a respected AH member, to me it sounds a bit uncivilized. I may not agree with some of the things said in this post, but I don't feel the need to start burning them at the steak for it. Most of it dosn't have to do with what I have said. Just the fact that I don't want to go on a parade for everyone that dosn't want to agree.
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Bosco0/Bosco123, 1st off it looked to me by your wording that you was trying to Flame or Flamebait lyric1
see below:
Personally, I don't know lyric, I have seen him a couple of times in the MA, and most of the time when I have somthing to say to him, it has to be negative.
but then you posted in BOLD about someone being a RESPECTED MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY...... but then Ack Ack quoted you on it, and you replyed this
I was sticking up for lyric, not for Chalenge.
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I was just giving some advice... you did not see the logic in it, but that is ok.. I was simply trying to offer you a helping hand.......
that's ok, your latter post says you was sticking up for lyric1, and not trying to flame him, but your 1st post says the opposite
I believe you are typing SO FAST, that your typing is outrunning your brain thoughts :D
I will leave you be about this nonsense and all the rest as well, and just sit back a view with amazement and awe about the stupidity of carrying on about Voss' misgivings and what not...... I mean this if there ever was a Dead Horse Beaten er I mean pulverized to beyond identification.....this subject truly is it....
it is like watching "weekend at Bernies" for the 100th time........ the humor/agony/fun/humiliation/anger/anyotherfeelingyoucanthinkof word goes here is just not there for me anymore....... is like bacon cooked to a crisp....time to throw it out and start over......
YMMV
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I have already said it. It is not him.
How so? You never knew about Metatron and the 418th. :confused:
From what I know he has not been in any other squad but the one I am in & always a Bishop. Plus I remember Voss being on 200 a long time back while I was flying with Chalange so to me seems unlikely. He has been playing this game pretty much from the beginning & I have no clue who the 418Th Hornets are? They an old squad?
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it is like watching "weekend at Bernies" for the 100th time........ the humor/agony/fun/humiliation/anger/anyotherfeelingyoucanthinkof word goes here is just not there for me anymore....... is like bacon cooked to a crisp....time to throw it out and start over......YMMV
<boom, ding, ding> "Did you hear something?" <boom, ding, ding> "There it is again." <boom, ding, ding> "MAN OVERBOARD, Stop the boat!" :devil
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I don't see were I contradicted myself in anyway. Should you read it again to make sure that you understand what I said. Actually, I'll sum it up. lyric can belifs, even though we may all not agree with it, there should be no reason for us to take him out and burn him out on the steak for it.
Possibly because I do write in a very eccntric way. Apologizes, but it has gotten me places to were I wouldn't have got if I didn't know how to write the way I write.
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I don't see were I contradicted myself in anyway. Should you read it again to make sure that you understand what I said. Actually, I'll sum it up. lyric can belifs, even though we may all not agree with it, there should be no reason for us to take him out and burn him out on the steak for it.
Possibly because I do write in a very eccntric way. Apologizes, but it has gotten me places to were I wouldn't have got if I didn't know how to write the way I write.
:huh ............................. ..... :rofl
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I don't see were I contradicted myself in anyway. Should you read it again to make sure that you understand what I said. Actually, I'll sum it up. lyric can belifs, even though we may all not agree with it, there should be no reason for us to take him out and burn him out on the steak for it.
Possibly because I do write in a very eccntric way. Apologizes, but it has gotten me places to were I wouldn't have got if I didn't know how to write the way I write.
MMMM STEAK
(http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g256/BloodyBandage/steak.jpg)
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I don't see were I contradicted myself in anyway. Should you read it again to make sure that you understand what I said. Actually, I'll sum it up. lyric can belifs, even though we may all not agree with it, there should be no reason for us to take him out and burn him out on the steak for it.
Possibly because I do write in a very eccntric way. Apologizes, but it has gotten me places to were I wouldn't have got if I didn't know how to write the way I write.
well now....here here!!! you might be one helluva an eccentric writer and have perfect penmanship....
but your typing is worse than a 5Th grader.....
oh, in case you was unaware, Skuzzy added the Spell Check not only for hitech, but for the rest of us as well :aok
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edit: oh' I must ask...... I was unaware that people could "can" this time of year? seriously I did not know that....and what type of vegetable is a belif? is it of the bean variety? the Cucumber/Pickle? the Pepper? I need to go google that.it might go good with the steak.......... I'm so :x.... I just can't hide it........ ROFL......
ok ok I will quit ribbin ya now Bosco....... cya in the cartoon skies of AH :airplane:
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Sig material
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See. I was being nice about it... :devil
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Bosco0/Bosco123, 1st off it looked to me by your wording that you was trying to Flame or Flamebait lyric1
see below:
but then you posted in BOLD about someone being a RESPECTED MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY...... but then Ack Ack quoted you on it, and you replyed this
I was just giving some advice... you did not see the logic in it, but that is ok.. I was simply trying to offer you a helping hand.......
that's ok, your latter post says you was sticking up for lyric1, and not trying to flame him, but your 1st post says the opposite
I believe you are typing SO FAST, that your typing is outrunning your brain thoughts :D
I will leave you be about this nonsense and all the rest as well, and just sit back a view with amazement and awe about the stupidity of carrying on about Voss' misgivings and what not...... I mean this if there ever was a Dead Horse Beaten er I mean pulverized to beyond identification.....this subject truly is it....
it is like watching "weekend at Bernies" for the 100th time........ the humor/agony/fun/humiliation/anger/anyotherfeelingyoucanthinkof word goes here is just not there for me anymore....... is like bacon cooked to a crisp....time to throw it out and start over......
YMMV
Wow now I am confused? Bosco is taking shots at me or on my side? Oh well no matter.
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The 'baseless internet accusations' are better than your 'baseless internet defensive'. If you want to clear Chalenge's name, why don't you post some facts? Until then, you are looking very foolish defending the guy hook line and sinker.
Look I am not going to post personal stuff on the BBS about him or any one else I know in the game it just would not be right unless permission was given.
Plus what could I possibly post that would convince any one any way? I have never met you Grizz & I will leave it up to others of your squad that I have met & others from the game & let them tell you in person that I am not such a bad guy & I would consider my self pretty honest in life & on the BBS. If I thought for an instant I was wrong I would not defend the Voss accusations.
If I look foolish (SO BE IT) out side of our little PC world who cares.
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How so? You never knew about Metatron and the 418th. :confused:
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Confused by this post if he was not in any of these squads why would Metatron even matter?
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I've met ya Lyric, very nice guy. Wouldn't piss you off though!
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I wish my AKUAG Pilot Stats program was working(someone please PM the link so I can dload it again :() so I could compare Voss' old stats with Chalenge. Based off the few tours I've seen of Voss, fishing around the stats archives, it looks like Voss' fav plane was the Temp/Typh and loved to fly extremely timid and never die. Exactly what Chalenge does/flies. It also appeared he tanked a lot and rarely died either. They didn't have the Tiger back then, which is Chalenge's favorite. Comparing the two eras of AH, it seems the two players played the game identical based off what I've seen from stats. Just another little piece that seems to fit nicely into the scorpion puzzle.
If someone wanted to do the stats analysis(until I get the program and can do it myself) it could be pretty interesting. Just be sure to neglect the Voss shades that have popped up over the years.
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Plenty of top sticks and it would be hard to rate them.
Best female stick by a long shot is Silat though. She can pull some magic from under her skirt that would make Jenna Jameson cry. :cool:
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A quick snapshot comparison between a couple tours:
Voss Tour 33 October 2002
(http://www.dasmuppets.com/public/Grizz/voss.jpg)
Chalenge Tour 119 December 2009
(http://www.dasmuppets.com/public/Grizz/chalenge.jpg)
Similarities anyone?
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Best female stick by a long shot is Silat though. She can pull some magic from under her skirt that would make Jenna Jameson cry. :cool:
Here is Silat flying in AH.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nosIDb4RZFA
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Here is Silat flying in AH.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nosIDb4RZFA
sick reversals!
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Here is Silat flying in AH.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nosIDb4RZFA
I told the camera man to shoot my otherside damnit..
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I have already said it. It is not him.
Lyric so you knew the old Voss? I think not. But you may believe what you want. The rest of us know the ID of Chalenge.
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sick reversals!
Sunsfan I have specially made bra to keep the twins in their rooms during those manuvers.
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Sunsfan I have specially made bra to keep the twins in their rooms during those manuvers.
awwww thats no fun.
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A quick snapshot comparison between a couple tours:
Voss Tour 33 October 2002
(http://www.dasmuppets.com/public/Grizz/voss.jpg)
Chalenge Tour 119 December 2009
(http://www.dasmuppets.com/public/Grizz/chalenge.jpg)
Similarities anyone?
that ones iffy. alot fly the temp now a days. look up metatron's stats. those would be more recent. alot can change over the course of a decade. and check out what he's killing too. I remember metavoss would spend alot of time killing bombers and heavy jabo's that were scorewhoring off strat buildings.
*approx tour 54 and later
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In my Spitties I can take most people.
Having jousted with quite a few of the most nominated Players Im gonna nominate myself in at least 7 or 8th spot :D
But my list would be.
Grizz
JnyBravo (Brilliant DA stick, one of the few blokes who can keep up with me in a spixteen duel)
Sunsfan
JunkyII ( Even though his KI is tissue paper :devil)
BatfinkV
Gat76 ( Had a mind blowing fight in the MA :salute)
Bruv119
B6Pacman ( :D)
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Here is Silat flying in AH.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nosIDb4RZFA
That red head can do a reversal on me any time ..lol
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that ones iffy. alot fly the temp now a days. look up metatron's stats. those would be more recent. alot can change over the course of a decade. and check out what he's killing too. I remember metavoss would spend alot of time killing bombers and heavy jabo's that were scorewhoring off strat buildings.
*approx tour 54 and later
I'm not saying it's smoking gun but the similarities are striking. The same avoidance of certain aircraft, affliction for typhoons, same timid opportunist style.
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Chalenge started in tour 74. In less then 3 months he was ranked 27th overall. So he did play before tour 74 but as who? Cross reference stats from various players and it's not hard to figure out the Chalenge is NOT who he claims to be. He's even admitted he has 12 computers :rofl WTF does that.....and more importantly why?
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He's even admitted he has 12 computers :rofl WTF does that.....and more importantly why?
Hes coading a secret game :aok
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Yeah, he told me he was writing a book on AcesHigh also. This thread ought to be called Top Shticks of today.........
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Chalenge started in tour 74.
Oh wow! What a find! I am sorry Lyric but this is the nail in the coffin. i do not have the ability (or time) to upload the images but please I beg anyone to compare Metatron Tours 51,52,53, and 54 and Chalenge Tours 74, 75, 76, and 77. If this isnt proof enough I feel sorry for ya. Notice the plane preference, the planes shot down, and the scoring mostly in attack mode. These are all nearly identical.
LOL! Case Closed imo :aok
PS Sorry for the over excitement. Its 9:30am and I'm already 2 coffee's into the morning :x
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Oh wow! What a find! I am sorry Lyric but this is the nail in the coffin. i do not have the ability (or time) to upload the images but please I beg anyone to compare Metatron Tours 51,52,53, and 54 and Chalenge Tours 74, 75, 76, and 77. If this isnt proof enough I feel sorry for ya. Notice the plane preference, the planes shot down, and the scoring mostly in attack mode. These are all nearly identical.
LOL! Case Closed imo :aok
PS Sorry for the over excitement. Its 9:30am and I'm already 2 coffee's into the morning :x
:cry here i was thinking you got the naked pics of me
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Oh wow! What a find! I am sorry Lyric but this is the nail in the coffin. i do not have the ability (or time) to upload the images but please I beg anyone to compare Metatron Tours 51,52,53, and 54 and Chalenge Tours 74, 75, 76, and 77. If this isnt proof enough I feel sorry for ya. Notice the plane preference, the planes shot down, and the scoring mostly in attack mode. These are all nearly identical.
LOL! Case Closed imo :aok
PS Sorry for the over excitement. Its 9:30am and I'm already 2 coffee's into the morning :x
Same here. :rofl :rofl :rofl That is some irrefutable evidence, but Voss's reply containing "moonbat" references, sealed it. This latest should bring the "nay sayers" into the light.
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I have already said it. It is not him.
Some would disagree with you 100% based on information not even presented in this thread.
How long have you been flying?
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Oh wow! What a find! I am sorry Lyric but this is the nail in the coffin. i do not have the ability (or time) to upload the images but please I beg anyone to compare Metatron Tours 51,52,53, and 54 and Chalenge Tours 74, 75, 76, and 77. If this isnt proof enough I feel sorry for ya. Notice the plane preference, the planes shot down, and the scoring mostly in attack mode. These are all nearly identical.
LOL! Case Closed imo :aok
PS Sorry for the over excitement. Its 9:30am and I'm already 2 coffee's into the morning :x
Lol, yep, exactly the same guy for sure. I wasn't around for Metatron/Voss era but I can tell from those stats it's the same guy. Metatron = Chalenge. If Voss = Metatron, then there you go.
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Plenty of top sticks and it would be hard to rate them.
Best female stick by a long shot is Silat though. She can pull some magic from under her skirt that would make Jenna Jameson cry. :cool:
Nilzzzz you are a true gentleman...
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This seems to be about attacking the community now.
Bunch of drama queens. Sheesh.