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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: CAP1 on July 29, 2011, 09:07:42 PM
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CAP'S REVIEW OF HIS TEST DRIVE OF A 2011 MUSTANG GT
ok.....i stopped by the ford dealer today. to be honest, the 2012's are outta my price range, if equipped with anything beyond bare bones.
i looked at a 2011 that was a demo....one of the sales managers was driving it. it had 5700 and change on the clock.
black, with 18" 5 spoke wheels, the ones that look like a cross between keystones, and cragers. standard 4 wheel disc brakes, 6 speed manual tranny. interior is grey, with beige leather. that threw me a bit. it took me a bit of getting used to, as i like either grey, or black interiors.
FIRST IMPRESSIONS
INTERIOR
very nicely put together. everything just sort of "fell" into my reach, without much effort. the gauges were easily visible, the seat(heated) is 6 way power adjustable. it was pretty far back. i had to raise it some, and pull it forward, to get a comfortable position to drive.
the shifter is right there, unlike the old "fox chassis" mustangs, where you were almost over-extending to hit 3rd gear. no cup holders in the way, no arm rests to bang your elbow on when shifting. not a single blind spot in the entire car. visibility is fabulous. the pedals are set up perfectly, for "heel/toe" driving(which i did a lil of) :devil
EXTERIOR
sex on wheels. nuff said. :aok
driving
this dealer is right on rt 30, which is a 4 lane road.....2 each direction, with its fair share of incompetent drivers. i slipped the shifter(short throw) into gear, and eased out the clutch trying to get a feel for it. this part is weird to me. if i were 20, i'd be saying that this clutch was made for sissies. since i'm 49, i think it feels perfect. very light effort, yet extremely firm and smooth engagement as i started out. it engaged right about level with the brake pedal, which to me is perfect. i let her idle out to the drive way.
pulled out onto rt 30, still trying to feel it out a little.....wound 1st to 4500, and granny shifted, wound 2nd the same(both less than 1/2 throttle), and was nearly doing 60, when i had to brake for traffic.
coming up on a notorious hiding spot for our local men in blue(i kinda forgot), i gave her a little kick in the arse, and was suddenly doing 70. it didn't feel like 70. speed limit was 35. i downshifted to drag the speed back to some semblance of legal.
had a guy nearly stopped to turn off the road a ways up, i clutched, and braked, but left the shifter in 5th. at 20mph, i let the clutch back out, and fed in the throttle slow and smooth. know what she did? she accelerated to 60 again, in nearly the blink of an eye. no "lugging", no lurch, just smooth acceleration.
i took her through a turn, that i used to managed at about 45mph in my old gt...and was working to do it......i hit this turn at 55, and was accelerating coming out of it.
i took her up a road, that again......at night, when i know there's 0 possibility of kids being out, and no ones cars are still parked on the street.......i've done stupidly fast in my gt. i was younger, and stupid too. :devil i currently drive this particular road at a screaming 25-30 in my jeep, or 35-45 in my dakota. since this isn't my car(yet) i didn't really hammer on it. it felt like i was creeping through the turns, so i glanced in at the speedometer....i was doing 40. this roads condition sucks. bumps, and poorly filled potholes(imagine that shocker here in nj), in the worst places.....no hop, no back end misbehaving.....she just went where i pointed her. this car easily could've maintained in the 65-70mph range on this road(although i wouldn't)
turned around, went back out to one of the roads to take me back towards the dealer. i pulled out, easily, then hammered it. shifted at 5800rpm, and this monster was STILL PULLING. i only shifted that early, as i didn't want to beat on it too badly.
went past the dealer, winding the gears again, heading for a big empty parking lot to try to take(make) some very hard turns(at the suggestion of the salesman). went to the very end of the lot(this is the very same lot i used to do this crap in in the snow, some 30 years ago)wound 1st, then second, then turned HARD. know what happened? the dam thing turned right where i pointed her again. no tire squeal(till i punched it again to kick the back out)
the brakes, as mentioned are standard 4 wheel disc. nothing really special. the average middle aged person that may buy one of these will never exceed the capability of these brakes. they stopped this car beautifully every time i tried. i do know, though, that should i put this car through her paces on a road course, i will cause brake fade. i can upgrade them though, probably cheaper than it would cost to option them onto the car.
OVERALL IMPRESSION
to be honest, i was expecting something that felt like my 89 mustang gt. that one fit me a little tight, and things that this car breezed through, were hard work for that car. that is what i expected to feel, but in a prettier package.
what i got, was a car that i cannot believe ford is selling so cheap. this car impressed me, and actually got me excited....of all times, on a friday night, after a hard 10 hour work day in a 100F+ shop. i could feel my pulse going faster each time i let that clutch out.
this car doesn't lean(or at least it doesn't feel it) in the turns, nearly as much as i expected, it doesn't nosedive under heavy braking, and when you punch the go pedal, she.....whelp......she goes......like a bat outta hell.
if the other mustangs are better than the gt..........well.....i think i'd have a "crisis" each time i got behind the wheel of one of them.
and alas, i didn't manage to scare the sales dood. i never noticed him looking for the "jesus" handle, nor trying that thing nervous passengers always do, which is putting on the brakes from the passengers seat.
when we got back, someone asked him if i scared him. he said no, this guy knows his s%^t.
COOL/GROOVY STUFF
sirius radio......first three months free, then the normal fee per month.
3 years voice activated turn by turn driving directions. after that, $60/month.
ford/microsoft sync system. this is cool.....you can sync your phone to it, much like i think onstar does for gm? and when a call comes in, it comes through the stereo. you do not take your hand off the wheel to answer. the button is right there on the wheel.
heated seats(remember dicho, this is joisey), drivers seat is 6 way power.
vanity mirrors on both visors. YES!!!! now i too, can do my makeup, or shave whilst driving!
traction control can be disengaged.
i forgot to look in the trunk, to see how many bodies could fit in there........but that's ok. if it's small, i just need to chop em into smaller bits.
to be honest, i think i'm gonna jump on this.....presuming that my credit goes through.
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Well you said it was a ford, but what model?
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That review is from someone who hopped into a Mustang GT with a transmission that works as advertised :)
Mine gets here mid-august Cap. Since you (yes YOU!) made me, forced me, twisted my arm and incited me to spend $30,000 on a car, how about installing my 3.73 gears at a GBD :D
I would've been all happy with a 2009 GT but noooooo you went and pointed out the shiny new ones I hadn't even considered buying because I automatically dismissed them as being out of my price range. Doh!
There's a step between ActiveTrac being on and off, it has a (cue dramatic music...) Sport Mode :)
It'll let you throw the tail out a little bit without the car going full retard on you.
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Well you said it was a ford, but what model?
sheesh!!!! you guys don't know me well enough yet? :devil
seriously....i can't friggin believe i put all that there, and forgot to put WHAT i drove. :rofl
it's fixed, and thanks for pointing that out sir.
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That review is from someone who hopped into a Mustang GT with a transmission that works as advertised :)
Mine gets here mid-august Cap. Since you (yes YOU!) made me, forced me, twisted my arm and incited me to spend $30,000 on a car, how about installing my 3.73 gears at a GBD :D
I would've been all happy with a 2009 GT but noooooo you went and pointed out the shiny new ones I hadn't even considered buying because I automatically dismissed them as being out of my price range. Doh!
There's a step between ActiveTrac being on and off, it has a (cue dramatic music...) Sport Mode :)
It'll let you throw the tail out a little bit without the car going full retard on you.
i'd be happy to toss those gears in for you. it's only a couple of hour job. :aok
also, the only dealer near me with any 2012's in stock, is the same place i went to to drive this 2011. they're all in the $37k range, which is out of my price range. i really shouldn't even be doing this with the demo....but i'm 49, and work my arse off.......and of course, that mid life crisis thing and all. :bolt:
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And my old man just told me he bought a Automatic Subaru hatchback. :bhead :bhead :bhead :bhead :bhead
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And my old man just told me he bought a Automatic Subaru hatchback. :bhead :bhead :bhead :bhead :bhead
there is nothing wrong with subarus.
one customer(he's in the air force) has a 500+hp WRX. it's awd, with a 5 speed, and he loves the thing. another has 2 subaru legacys. his is a 5 speed, and his wifes is an automatic.
his is in the shop right now, as he drove it too long with a bad throw out bearing...and ripped the collar right off the front of the transmission. i had to get him a new case, and get his trans rebuilt for him.....i should be finishing that one up tomorrow. it's a quick car too.
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i'd be happy to toss those gears in for you. it's only a couple of hour job. :aok
also, the only dealer near me with any 2012's in stock, is the same place i went to to drive this 2011. they're all in the $37k range, which is out of my price range. i really shouldn't even be doing this with the demo....but i'm 49, and work my arse off.......and of course, that mid life crisis thing and all. :bolt:
Save the money.. call my guy and enjoy a road trip home bro :) Fly Southworst and I'll pick you up.
My one week owner report.
6 cyl
Automatic
Mustang Club of America package
Feels heavier than it is in a good way. As Cap said it's easy to get it going faster than you think you're going. The 305 HP will jump out from under you if you are not paying attention. Corners like a wet dream on wheels. I had to almost literally force it to start getting sideways. The sound system and the ability to synch it to your smart phone are added bonuses and I got six months of Sirius radio included (sadly I haven't found stations that I like their line up but that's a personal taste).
Interior design is good but I stop short of 'great'. The ability to change your ambient light is cool but not worth the price. The drive directions are pretty good but can get annoying (synchmyride.com) and we're still trying to figure out how to use two smart phones at once.
When I'm driving decent I'm getting 17 city and 28 highway. When I'm being a knucklehead you don't want to know.
I'm used to a convertible so the next comes with a disclaimer. It's a tad difficult getting used to the length when parallel parking or making corners but that's a feel thing and I can discount it. I loathe the forward pushing headrests and the steering wheel feels like it's about 3 inches too far away from me. Nothing insurmountable but a little discomforting at the start.
Monumental leg room for the driver and passenger. Not so much for the back seaters and the trunk could hold at least 3 bodies of big wise guys or 5 not so wise ones with ease.
Overall I give it 8 out of 10 stars..
Work the dealers bro or let me work them here :)
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302
Boss
Laguna
Seca
http://www.dieselstation.com/cars/ford-mustang-boss-302-laguna-seca-2012-a2814.html
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CAP,
Before you buy that stang, find a used pontiac G8 to test drive. The GT is auto only, but the GTX is manual. Don't need to really be serious, but just give it a shot. You should be able to find an awesome deal on those things and if you get a used one in good condition, you'll be past the period where a handful of owners had to wait for parts to arrive from Australia.
I love my G8 GT, and both the engine and transmission modules are fully programmable so you can tune them to your hearts delight to get the shift points just right, and gain a few mpg back in addition to the 20 *true* hp gain from the engine tune.
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And my old man just told me he bought a Automatic Subaru hatchback. :bhead :bhead :bhead :bhead :bhead
Beggars can't be choosers.
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there is nothing wrong with subarus.
one customer(he's in the air force) has a 500+hp WRX. it's awd, with a 5 speed, and he loves the thing. another has 2 subaru legacys. his is a 5 speed, and his wifes is an automatic.
his is in the shop right now, as he drove it too long with a bad throw out bearing...and ripped the collar right off the front of the transmission. i had to get him a new case, and get his trans rebuilt for him.....i should be finishing that one up tomorrow. it's a quick car too.
It's the fact that its an automatic hatchback, the 2 things I cannot stand. and now we have 3 in the driveway.
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It's the fact that its an automatic hatchback, the 2 things I cannot stand. and now we have 3 in the driveway.
sounds like he's grown up
glad I never caught that disease ;)
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sounds like he's grown up
glad I never caught that disease ;)
thankfully, i have not. :devil
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Sounds like a blast CAP :)
They are definitely not the pony cars we grew up with :)
Reading up on the Laguna Seca makes me wonder how much they gonna ask for one because it sounds like performance will be pretty good.
Almost in Z06 territory, definitely in Grand Sport Vette area.. and a GS from Kerbeck is ~50k depending on options.
Had a neighbor comment on the Vette, asked me if it had much power
.. I told him if I had owned a car like this when I was younger I would have been in Jail.
Massively deceptive about how fast yer goin, it just doesn't 'feel' like 75 .. or 135 for that matter, and it gets there quick.
-Frank aka GE
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LOL CAP I just bought a ford but there is only one difference...mine looks like this
(http://carphotos.cardomain.com/ride_images/3/1837/3141/29591570006_large.jpg)
She runs great and for the big interceptor engine in it it gets great gas mileage. I took her to NH from PA and averaged 31 MPG which i found to be great. The worst part bout the darned car is, everyone slows down when I get behind them. (it still has the pushbar on the front of it)
FeralPig
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Sounds like a blast CAP :)
They are definitely not the pony cars we grew up with :)
Reading up on the Laguna Seca makes me wonder how much they gonna ask for one because it sounds like performance will be pretty good.
Almost in Z06 territory, definitely in Grand Sport Vette area.. and a GS from Kerbeck is ~50k depending on options.
Had a neighbor comment on the Vette, asked me if it had much power
.. I told him if I had owned a car like this when I was younger I would have been in Jail.
Massively deceptive about how fast yer goin, it just doesn't 'feel' like 75 .. or 135 for that matter, and it gets there quick.
-Frank aka GE
you're right on that.
the boss302LS is supposed to go for about 47k. the one at the ford dealer down the street from my shop has one for just under 48k.
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CAP,
Before you buy that stang, find a used pontiac G8 to test drive. The GT is auto only, but the GTX is manual. Don't need to really be serious, but just give it a shot. You should be able to find an awesome deal on those things and if you get a used one in good condition, you'll be past the period where a handful of owners had to wait for parts to arrive from Australia.
I love my G8 GT, and both the engine and transmission modules are fully programmable so you can tune them to your hearts delight to get the shift points just right, and gain a few mpg back in addition to the 20 *true* hp gain from the engine tune.
i appreciate your input, and wish for you pontiac enthusiasts, that pontiac were still around, now that the retro-rods are kicking but. i can only imagine how pontiac would've done a retro firebird, or trans am......or could you imagine a retro catalina? :devil
the g8, and even the last incarnation of the gto, never did anything for me. they look boring. they sound bad bellybutton though, and i know with the powertrain that gm gave them, they kicked bellybutton too.
as for programmable computers......fords have had that since the mid/late 80's. mustangs in particular, have been getting reprogrammed since then.
since the advent of the OBD2 control systems, everything is programmable. there's already over a dozen tunes for mustangs, and i would imagine camaros too.
like i said.....this latest incarnation of the mustang just looks like sex on wheels. i'd imagine, that ford used a little majic, tossed some 66 fastback, some 68 fastback, a boatload of sexy, and some modern into a SAPP super blender....turned it on its highest setting(which is faster than lint), let it run for a week, and when they poured it out, this new stang is what they got. :aok
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Cap don't make me drive up there.. take the plunge bro. You've been talking about this since I met you :) Or call my guy, buy one, and I'll drive it up there for cheap airfare home :)
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Cap don't make me drive up there.. take the plunge bro. You've been talking about this since I met you :) Or call my guy, buy one, and I'll drive it up there for cheap airfare home :)
not sure how i'm gonna do it yet. gonna call them on monday afternoon, and try to lowball em....... :devil
hey...what's the zip code down there? i'm gonna computer-cruise into their inventories, and see what they have?
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Look into the 2012 Mercedes-Benz E63 " Estate sedan "............
518hp Twin Turbo V8
7 speed tranny
can anyone say sleeper???
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Look into the 2012 Mercedes-Benz E63 " Estate sedan "............
518hp Twin Turbo V8
7 speed tranny
can anyone say sleeper???
and more computers then Apollo 13? sorry, even if i could afford it i would not buy it. too much money to spend to fix something. and the fuel economy? eff that. manual, auto or slap shift 7 speed tranny? only spending my money on 7 gears if i can shift it.
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Look into the 2012 Mercedes-Benz E63 " Estate sedan "............
518hp Twin Turbo V8
7 speed tranny
can anyone say sleeper???
i didn't know i was falling asleep
i didn't realize i was drifting into the other lane
i didn't realize the truck in front of me was stopping.
no thanks. :aok
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as for programmable computers......fords have had that since the mid/late 80's. mustangs in particular, have been getting reprogrammed since then.
The first "reprogrammable" ford computer was the EEC-V computer of 1994.
GM was flash programmable in 1990 for the geo storm and 1993 is where the rest of the product line started receiving flash programmable computers.
Earlier ford computers (eec-IV) had a port that people used to piggyback devices that carried alternate tunes.
This is not reprogramming......what you are doing is running a program that is contained on a device that interfaces the ecu through said port and bypassing the internal program contained on the ECU's prom.
Ford was not the only manufacturer who had a "port" that could run a tune from an external source but they were one of the few who had an external connector accessible after removing either a metal plate or a plastic plug.
As an ECU builder, I reprogrammed EEC-IV computers the same way I reprogram ones for a 1975 datsun 280z..........I burned a new prom chip on our prom burner and soldered it to the board after removing the original.
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good review :aok
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i didn't know i was falling asleep
i didn't realize i was drifting into the other lane
i didn't realize the truck in front of me was stopping.
no thanks. :aok
forgot about all that too.
CAP... i didnt see the redlight in front of me. sorry i wrecked your mustang... :noid
:bolt:
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Better off waiting for the camaro ZL1 coming out in early 2012 with the 6.2L motor :x sure it would leave that pony car in the dust :rock
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i didn't know i was falling asleep
i didn't realize i was drifting into the other lane
i didn't realize the truck in front of me was stopping.
no thanks. :aok
The car comes equipped with a collision warning system and brakes for you. Well built vehicles any way you look at it.
You'll be thinking twice I suspect next time you pull up next to one. Would be very embarassing to get smoked by a estate sedan in a mustang.. :bolt:
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The car comes equipped with a collision warning system and brakes for you. Well built vehicles any way you look at it.
You'll be thinking twice I suspect next time you pull up next to one. Would be very embarassing to get smoked by a estate sedan in a mustang.. :bolt:
exactly why i wouldnt drive it. I understand its there as a fail safe God Forbid you shouyld not see someone hitting their brakes one time thing, but it would be to easy to get dependant on it. especially the elderly (no offense), and the young drivers who think theyre cool cause mommy and daddy just bought them a brand spankin new Benz for theyre first car. and what if the computer system fails that runs the fail safe's? you get used to it so you dont pay attention as much as you used to, and the system fails. hit a car in the rear end what are you gonna tell the cop "Well my car didnt stop me, how was i supposed to know the person was hitting theyre brakes?".
sorry for the rant, just opposed to the idea of the car knowing more then the driver, if this is the case the driver should not be driving.
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The car comes equipped with a collision warning system and brakes for you. Well built vehicles any way you look at it.
You'll be thinking twice I suspect next time you pull up next to one. Would be very embarassing to get smoked by a estate sedan in a mustang.. :bolt:
LOL......I have a full size electra estate wagon from the late 80s that someone named "mustang killa".
To it's defense, it has 255 ft. pounds of torque and a torque convertor that puts it immediately into it's power band..........which ends a 4000 rpms.
It shears the driver's engine mount ever 5 years.
Driven properly (keep rpms low and try to stay at lock-up speeds) it will return good mileage, leap across intersections, and haul 4x8 sheets of plywood and engines protected from the elements.
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Reading up on the Laguna Seca makes me wonder how much they gonna ask for one because it sounds like performance will be pretty good.
Almost in Z06 territory, definitely in Grand Sport Vette area.. and a GS from Kerbeck is ~50k depending on options.
Just read the article linked above about the Leguna Seca. I've been wondering how they claim such dramatically improved performance (such as the cornering figures) out of a car that is not significantly lighter and has only (!) 440 hp.
Ah ha. I comes from the factory with R-rated tires.
Those ought to be good for about 2000-3000 highway miles before they're worn to the belts. :lol
Wonder what kind of claims Corvette could make if they delivered Grand Sports and Z06s from the factory with race tires instead of street tires. :lol
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not sure how i'm gonna do it yet. gonna call them on monday afternoon, and try to lowball em....... :devil
hey...what's the zip code down there? i'm gonna computer-cruise into their inventories, and see what they have?
76016
Andrew Rutherford Don Davis Ford. Call him and tell him you're a friend of mine and he will hook you up :D
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Better off waiting for the camaro ZL1 coming out in early 2012 with the 6.2L motor :x sure it would leave that pony car in the dust :rock
camaros already have 6.2 liters. they don't leave mustangs in the dust.
the zl1 will be trying to compete with the shelbys, and boss's, not the gt's.
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Better off waiting for the camaro ZL1 coming out in early 2012 with the 6.2L motor :x sure it would leave that pony car in the dust :rock
The ZL1 Camaro isn't an answer to the Mustang GT. It's something to throw against the Shelby GT500s and Boss 302s.
The SS Camaro can't do with 6.2L (it already has this size motor) what the Mustang GT does with 5.0. When you're putting a blower on them its even less fair. Plus the Mustang is actually fun to drive whereas changing lanes on the freeway in the Camaro you just sort of hope nobody's in your blind spot. I wasn't a fan of my week driving the 2SS Camaro Coupe. The convertibles aren't much better but they did do away with the B Pillar and it's nearly blacked out window.
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The first "reprogrammable" ford computer was the EEC-V computer of 1994.
GM was flash programmable in 1990 for the geo storm and 1993 is where the rest of the product line started receiving flash programmable computers.
Earlier ford computers (eec-IV) had a port that people used to piggyback devices that carried alternate tunes.
This is not reprogramming......what you are doing is running a program that is contained on a device that interfaces the ecu through said port and bypassing the internal program contained on the ECU's prom.
Ford was not the only manufacturer who had a "port" that could run a tune from an external source but they were one of the few who had an external connector accessible after removing either a metal plate or a plastic plug.
As an ECU builder, I reprogrammed EEC-IV computers the same way I reprogram ones for a 1975 datsun 280z..........I burned a new prom chip on our prom burner and soldered it to the board after removing the original.
you mean isuzu, right?
yes, i know we were "piggybacking" the eec4 computers. sometimes. the better systems didn't connect to the service port, but rather connected to the 60 pin connector, then the eec4 harness connected to that, then we adjusted the fuel, spark, timing, and pretty much whatever else it allowed us to adjust.
in 1990, gm computers still used prom chips. the geo storm was not a product of gm, nor was the geo prism.
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The car comes equipped with a collision warning system and brakes for you. Well built vehicles any way you look at it.
You'll be thinking twice I suspect next time you pull up next to one. Would be very embarassing to get smoked by a estate sedan in a mustang.. :bolt:
the only reason i don't like those systems(as i actually think they're pretty dam amazing) is because of human nature. when i feel too tired to drive.....i don't. i would suspect you do the same. i tend to pay attention to traffic around me, especially at intersections. i presume you do the same.
yet, that commercial which i quoted the first few lines from, is telling mercedes owners that "hey!! are you too tired to drive to the night club tonight? don't worry about it! your mercedes will pay attention for you!"
human nature is to push things. everyone does it somewhere/somehow. all of those safety systems in a car will have those owners driving when they're in no condition to drive.
and for thinking twice when i pull up next to one? :rofl :rofl
i NEVER think twice about a stoplight challenge, unless there's a cop around. it doesn't matter what i'm driving, nor does it matter what's next to me. the fun is in the challenge. i've even raced my wrangler(with a 2.5 liter 5 speed). :aok
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The only thing wrong with this thread is that Skuzzy hasn't posted in it yet. This is a test.
COBRA
$20 bucks says he posts soon.
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you mean isuzu, right?
yes, i know we were "piggybacking" the eec4 computers. sometimes. the better systems didn't connect to the service port, but rather connected to the 60 pin connector, then the eec4 harness connected to that, then we adjusted the fuel, spark, timing, and pretty much whatever else it allowed us to adjust.
in 1990, gm computers still used prom chips. the geo storm was not a product of gm, nor was the geo prism.
The 1990 geo storm used flash programmable delco computers.
Again....you are arguing with someone who ran Blue Streak's ecu division and knows automotive computers far beyond the understanding of most technicians..............beca use that is my specialty.
The ecus right in front of my car in our 40,000 sq. ft. ECU warehouse are a/c delco computers used on isuzu, suzuki, geo, and saturn cars.
(http://princemakaha.homestead.com/files/whse.jpg)
Not all the geo/suzuki/isuzu used the Delco ecus as early as the storm but they eventually migrated away from mitsubishi produced ecus.
The point is that GM beat ford to reprogrammable ecus by 4 years and the statement quoted below is incorrect.
as for programmable computers......fords have had that since the mid/late 80's. mustangs in particular, have been getting reprogrammed since then.
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The only thing wrong with this thread is that Skuzzy hasn't posted in it yet. This is a test.
COBRA
$20 bucks says he posts soon.
ya know?
when i started seeing him posting in these car threads, and knowing so much/.....i was somewhat shocked. it's not often that IT guys know much about cars.....
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The 1990 geo storm used flash programmable delco computers.
Again....you are arguing with someone who ran Blue Streak's ecu division and knows automotive computers far beyond the understanding of most technicians..............beca use that is my specialty.
The ecus right in front of my car in our 40,000 sq. ft. ECU warehouse are a/c delco computers used on isuzu, suzuki, geo, and saturn cars.
(http://princemakaha.homestead.com/files/whse.jpg)
Not all the geo/suzuki/isuzu used the Delco ecus as early as the storm but they eventually migrated away from mitsubishi produced ecus.
The point is that GM beat ford to reprogrammable ecus by 4 years and the statement quoted below is incorrect.
the point is that when i have replaced computers in isuzus, they have never been delco units. gm's were using proms right up(i think) to the advent of the obd2 system. they started phasing in these computer systems around 94, as many manufacturers did, with complete compliance by 96.
now, go hijack someone elses thread. :aok
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You are incorrect and speaking from an experience perspective that is lacking in comparison to mine.
You made statements that were incorrect.
It's that simple.
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You are incorrect and speaking from an experience perspective that is lacking in comparison to mine.
You made statements that were incorrect.
It's that simple.
so, those non-gm computers i took out of storms were indeed gm computers?
back on track.....i was just looking at the option list of the car i drove. it doesn't have the 3.73 diff in it. it;'s got the standard diff. and it was still impressive. that;s another bargaining point for me to beat em down though, as i do really want a 3.73, and do not want to install it myself.
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The car comes equipped with a collision warning system and brakes for you. Well built vehicles any way you look at it.
You'll be thinking twice I suspect next time you pull up next to one. Would be very embarassing to get smoked by a estate sedan in a mustang.. :bolt:
I'm pretty sure when he buys his mustang he'll remove air bags, abs, seat belts, and install front drum brakes. Because if you super awesome driver as he is crap just doesn't happen to you:)
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*walks in with some AnkleOff...
Oh geez .... ANOTHER one Cap?
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*walks in with some AnkleOff...
Oh geez .... ANOTHER one Cap?
what can i say? i got sexy ankles. maybe i should hike my pant legs up a bit at the dealer, and see if that gets me a discount? :bolt: :devil :rofl :noid
almost forgot......looking in the inventories down your way....not many 2011's left...........
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call my guy knucklehead
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call my guy knucklehead
won't he be a bit upset if some dork from nj calls him a knucklehead? :devil :uhoh
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he's dealt with Squid and myself. I'd say he's pretty much insult proof :)
psh 2011... get a 12 :)
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Hey CAP where do you live? Collingswood? Haddon Heights? Haddonfield?
Obviously near WH Pike. I used to be a Mailman in Haddon Heights
:cheers: Oz
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Hey CAP where do you live? Collingswood? Haddon Heights? Haddonfield?
Obviously near WH Pike. I used to be a Mailman in Haddon Heights
:cheers: Oz
i live in lindenwold, and my shop's right up the road from winner ford in cherry hill.
the funny thing about winner ford.....back in 83, they pissed me off, trying to convince me i didn't want a mustang, but rather i'd be happy in an escort......'cause i was a kid.
i deal with them for parts at the shop. their parts guys are pretty cool. that's why i tried them first this time. this time, the sales guy tried convincing me i'd like a red mustang, even after i told him i didn't like red cars. then on top of that, he goes "you might be interested in one of the gt500's." i told him if i was gonna look at anything faster than a gt, it'd be the boss302, and that i never really cared for the 5.4L engine. then he tries to tell me that the gt500 is better(overall it isn't, as it's less well balanced), and that i don't know the 5.4 that well.
wanna guess who tossed any chances of winner ford selling me a car right out the window? hell.....i MIGHT even try echelon fords parts dept..........
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GMs bluetooth for the phone doesn't need onstar.
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Aye Cap .. car salesman just plain piss me off for the most part.
Had one General Manager no less tell me color doesn't matter.
Moron.
Tough to find a straight shooter who listens, understands, and reacts to what you say you want.
Sounds like Dicho's guy is one of the good ones.
They are rare.
-Frank aka GE
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Aye Cap .. car salesman just plain piss me off for the most part.
Had one General Manager no less tell me color doesn't matter.
Moron.
Tough to find a straight shooter who listens, understands, and reacts to what you say you want.
Sounds like Dicho's guy is one of the good ones.
They are rare.
-Frank aka GE
yea...i may be callin the dood a knucklehead, and then havin the balls to ask him to sell me a stang for cheap. :devil
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It is a buyers market so you should be able to get a deal. A to Z plan is being offered here in Ohio on top of rebates.
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It is a buyers market so you should be able to get a deal. A to Z plan is being offered here in Ohio on top of rebates.
oohh...i'm shoppin 'round.
fouund one in md, with only 6 miles on the clock, and a LOT more optioned onto it......for 1k less........which technically speaking is a LOT less, considering that those 6 miles are most likely just the test drive miles.
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so i thought i found a very nice very new gt, down in md........6 miles on it, nicely equipped.......30k and change. i emailed the dealer. they called me last night........that one's sold. but we have a couple nice silver metallic ones here.
i get the feeling i've been the victim of an attempted "bait n switch".
got an email from a ford dealer here in nj, saying they can get me what i want for 31k........a brand new 2012. and it's a black on black premium, 373 rear, comfort group, lower fascia, wing, sirius, sync, etc.
waiting to hear back from them now, about financing.
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niiice
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so i thought i found a very nice very new gt, down in md........6 miles on it, nicely equipped.......30k and change. i emailed the dealer. they called me last night........that one's sold. but we have a couple nice silver metallic ones here.
i get the feeling i've been the victim of an attempted "bait n switch".
got an email from a ford dealer here in nj, saying they can get me what i want for 31k........a brand new 2012. and it's a black on black premium, 373 rear, comfort group, lower fascia, wing, sirius, sync, etc.
waiting to hear back from them now, about financing.
Remember to always approach the mustang from the front so you don't have to see that ugly rear end. :rofl
The Camaro can be approached from any angle....
(http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q96/Shuff_photos/rear.jpg)
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'cept for the leftover vette tail lights....... :devil
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My 2009 GT may not have near the HP of the new 5.0 but it is a blast to drive and good lookin.
(http://i819.photobucket.com/albums/zz115/William_Duenskie/stang.jpg)
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I'm too old for muscle cars anymore...and really wanted a sedan..but comfortable...yet with power when I need it....yet..yet...stunning gas mileage...oh...and I'm over 3/36 bumper to bumper warranties. I have to have 5/60.
this thing is loaded with features.....leather/backup camera/bluetooth w/mic/sunroof/Navigation.....and while it won't win any races....it will throw you into the seat and you'll surprise a few people off the line. a 4 cylinder turbo. I really dig this car....it's a blast to drive..and it's great on long trips. Hyundai Sontata Limited 2.0 Turbo....made right here in the USA.
(http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l610/harborgrey/M21.jpg)
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The Camaro can be approached from any angle....
And passed from the same angles ;)
What's with the TAMU stickers? I thought your daughter was smart? :neener:
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that right there is about what i;m looking at. i'll probably add the 1/4 window louvers myself.......
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And passed from the same angles ;)
What's with the TAMU stickers? I thought your daughter was smart? :neener:
lol She was a UT fan all her early life but UT did not meet her requirements for schooling. We had to visit A&M twice before she finally said she could go there. She still does not like the shirts.... "Saw'em Off" lol
As far as passing......... good luck with that :D
The 09 Stang looks much better approaching from the rear.
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I can tolerate the look of the Camaro from the side, but it just flat looks goofy from the front or rear. The rear end looks like it is hiked up ready to dump a load. Incentive enough to get around it, for sure.
I'll say this though. You cannot mistake it for anything else (heck it is bigger than most other cars on the road, so it does stand out).
Looks are highly subjective. Whatever floats your boat is what you should drive.
The replacement Camaro should look a lot better, if GM sticks to what they are saying they will do.
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Amber Heard likes Mustangs and other chicks.
(http://www.straitpinkie.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/amber-heard.jpg)
(http://www.lmwlostmyway.com/uploads/5/8/9/9/5899532/9924133_orig.jpg)
(http://cdn01.cdn.socialitelife.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/amber-heard-sexy-photos-03092011-10-820x558.jpg)
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_cnya8urXwzU/TSRVejEY4DI/AAAAAAAAR-U/UYOh-Ugo9lM/s1600/amber_eyeprime_21.jpg)
I believe this will conclude the discussion.
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Amber Heard likes Mustangs and other chicks.
(http://www.straitpinkie.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/amber-heard.jpg)
(http://www.lmwlostmyway.com/uploads/5/8/9/9/5899532/9924133_orig.jpg)
(http://cdn01.cdn.socialitelife.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/amber-heard-sexy-photos-03092011-10-820x558.jpg)
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_cnya8urXwzU/TSRVejEY4DI/AAAAAAAAR-U/UYOh-Ugo9lM/s1600/amber_eyeprime_21.jpg)
I believe this will conclude the discussion.
not a bad lookin 68 in that last pic......and she is friggin HOT.
going tomorrow night to see about financing for this 012. all the stuff i want on it for 32k plus taxes and stuff.........which is what they wanted at the other place for the 011 without all the stuff i want on it.......and this one's brand new......the 011 was a demo with 5700+change on the odometer. :aok
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if I was 20 years younger..........
(http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa471/ldvra1/DSC01228.jpg)
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if I was 20 years younger..........
(http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa471/ldvra1/DSC01228.jpg)
if you were 20 years younger, you'd buy that beauty, and then proceed to trash it. now, it is the time to buy. :aok
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if I was 20 years younger..........
Wow... you're 90?
Shuffler A&M is a good school particularly the engineering department. But I do enjoy giving you a hard time when I can :D
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Amber Heard likes Mustangs and other chicks.
(http://www.straitpinkie.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/amber-heard.jpg)
(http://www.lmwlostmyway.com/uploads/5/8/9/9/5899532/9924133_orig.jpg)
(http://cdn01.cdn.socialitelife.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/amber-heard-sexy-photos-03092011-10-820x558.jpg)
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_cnya8urXwzU/TSRVejEY4DI/AAAAAAAAR-U/UYOh-Ugo9lM/s1600/amber_eyeprime_21.jpg)
I believe this will conclude the discussion.
So who is she lol Never heard of her.
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Wow... you're 90?
Shuffler A&M is a good school particularly the engineering department. But I do enjoy giving you a hard time when I can :D
Of course.... I consider your post the same as cap1's. Cap1 is my squaddie so we are always sticking sticks in eachothers eyes. :rofl
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So who is she lol Never heard of her.
A hottie. I didn't notice her from Zombieland but she was a guest on real Top Gear last season. Hot, bisexual, Mustang driving Texas girl.
In other news, happy birthday to my car! The car I ordered rolled off the line in Flat Rock today :banana: Now I just have to wait for it to arrive on my dealers lot via rail and carrier.
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Pics will be required sir :D
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A hottie. I didn't notice her from Zombieland but she was a guest on real Top Gear last season. Hot, bisexual, Mustang driving Texas girl.
In other news, happy birthday to my car! The car I ordered rolled off the line in Flat Rock today :banana: Now I just have to wait for it to arrive on my dealers lot via rail and carrier.
i thought that was her.
and WOOHOO!!!! you got a "thursday" car!!
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Pics will be required sir :D
of the sales girl, or the car? :devil
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of the sales girl, or the car? :devil
The sales guy isn't anything special (sorry ladies/Camaro enthusiasts) but the sales girl at the used car place up the street just about sold me a 2008 Shelby GT500 which is deep down what I really want but don't want to pay for. "Huh, what?" as I snapped out of her trance.
Dirty blonde, cute, named Ivana, Ukrainian, accent, glasses...yeah.
I might offer a ride and lunch as an apology for not buying a car from her. Either that or somehow be convinced it's a good deal to trade in my brand-new off the lot car for the Shelby that's sitting there :headscratch:
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Wow, I would love to test drive a Mustang GT once.. By reading the OP I know I just have to try one now. :cool:
There are not too many of them around here in Norway though, but if the opportunity bids itself I'll be sure to grab it with both hands. :aok
I have a weird combo in my garage though.. Its a 73 Camaro Z28 powered by a 400 Ford truck engine, what do you guys think of that? :noid
Here she is..
(http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x320/FearFactor_photos/Photo025-1.jpg)
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Wow, I would love to test drive a Mustang GT once.. By reading the OP I know I just have to try one now. :cool:
There are not too many of them around here in Norway though, but if the opportunity bids itself I'll be sure to grab it with both hands. :aok
I have a weird combo in my garage though.. Its a 73 Camaro Z28 powered by a 400 Ford truck engine, what do you guys think of that? :noid
Here she is..
(http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x320/FearFactor_photos/Photo025-1.jpg)
i don't think i've ever seen anyone put a ford engine in a chevy. i'd say that's something very unique....even over here in the usa.
i'd also be willing to bet that you just made a couple peoples heads explode. :devil :bolt: :rofl
i also just found out......one of my good friends in the civil air patrol just bought a 2010 camaro. he's gonna let me drive it next week at our monthly staff meeting.......on base, and off, so i can get a feel for the camaro. his is only a 6 cylinder, but they're no slouches. i'll probably post something like i did for the stang........
BTW>>>>>definite cool factor on your car sir. :aok
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i don't think i've ever seen anyone put a ford engine in a chevy. i'd say that's something very unique....even over here in the usa.
i'd also be willing to bet that you just made a couple peoples heads explode. :devil :bolt: :rofl
i also just found out......one of my good friends in the civil air patrol just bought a 2010 camaro. he's gonna let me drive it next week at our monthly staff meeting.......on base, and off, so i can get a feel for the camaro. his is only a 6 cylinder, but they're no slouches. i'll probably post something like i did for the stang........
BTW>>>>>definite cool factor on your car sir. :aok
Thanks Cap, it kinda stands out in the crowd I guess. ;) Was thinking of adding some dark red iron cross stickers onto the front fenders, and possibly some discrete red/white hotrod pinstiping on the nose. Just to add the looks I am after. :aok
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I think it looks great as is :aok
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I think it looks great as is :aok
Thanks Dichotomy. ;)
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Don't know much about cars, but nice that looks like one of my dream cars :rock
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Thanks Cap, it kinda stands out in the crowd I guess. ;) Was thinking of adding some dark red iron cross stickers onto the front fenders, and possibly some discrete red/white hotrod pinstiping on the nose. Just to add the looks I am after. :aok
nah.....you'd ruin it. it looks perfect as it sits. :aok
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I guess you guys are right, I better leave it as it is.. Ok, that's settled then. :aok :salute
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That looks great Saj. I had one very similar many moons ago.
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Wow, I would love to test drive a Mustang GT once.. By reading the OP I know I just have to try one now. :cool:
There are not too many of them around here in Norway though, but if the opportunity bids itself I'll be sure to grab it with both hands. :aok
I have a weird combo in my garage though.. Its a 73 Camaro Z28 powered by a 400 Ford truck engine, what do you guys think of that? :noid
Here she is..
(http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x320/FearFactor_photos/Photo025-1.jpg)
She looks great SAJ.
Does she sound as mean as she looks? I bet it draws attention.
Are there many American cars in Norway?
I would love to take my Mustang to the other side of the Atlantic.
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She looks great SAJ.
Does she sound as mean as she looks? I bet it draws attention.
Are there many American cars in Norway?
I would love to take my Mustang to the other side of the Atlantic.
Thanks. :)
She has just one muffler on the size of a small thermos under there, so yes.. She rumbles quite loudly, makes the steelplates on my garage-roof vibrate when she's on idle inside there.. :D
But the most impressive is the tremendous torque this truck engine produces, burnouts can be done in slow motion while almost on idle. The engine just rumbles and takes no notice of the rear tires slowly turning.
Draws alot of attention, almost too much. I can't even stop to fill gas without being interviewed by some by-passing dude.. :noid
But yes, we have quite alot of Amerian cars over here. Its a big community with clubs all over the country and alot of seasonal activities. Street legal drags and so on. :aok
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Now I start to feel I've hijacked this thread.. That was not my intention, this got to stop! :bhead :D :bolt:
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why? we're just talking cars here :D
that'd be my new baby
(http://axisvsallies.com/albums/userpics/10001/DSCN2405.JPG)
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OMG Dichotomy, that's a real beauty! :O
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I do like the MCA styling, Dicho.
I'm off this weekend and I really really really really really wish there was a factory delivery option for Mustangs right about now. Knowing it's just sitting there without my being able to drive it yet is killing me! Ordering a car is a test of patience greater than that of Ralphie waiting Christmas.
Where are you, geographically speaking? I'm a little west of CAP in the Philly suburbs.
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The sales guy isn't anything special (sorry ladies/Camaro enthusiasts) but the sales girl at the used car place up the street just about sold me a 2008 Shelby GT500 which is deep down what I really want but don't want to pay for. "Huh, what?" as I snapped out of her trance.
Dirty blonde, cute, named Ivana, Ukrainian, accent, glasses...yeah.
I might offer a ride and lunch as an apology for not buying a car from her. Either that or somehow be convinced it's a good deal to trade in my brand-new off the lot car for the Shelby that's sitting there :headscratch:
cute, accent, and into cars...........where's that place again :devil?
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Now I start to feel I've hijacked this thread.. That was not my intention, this got to stop! :bhead :D :bolt:
you haven't.....it's still talking about cars. that's the common interest we all share.....we all love cars. :aok
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I do like the MCA styling, Dicho.
I'm off this weekend and I really really really really really wish there was a factory delivery option for Mustangs right about now. Knowing it's just sitting there without my being able to drive it yet is killing me! Ordering a car is a test of patience greater than that of Ralphie waiting Christmas.
Where are you, geographically speaking? I'm a little west of CAP in the Philly suburbs.
TY Saj and Golfer
In between Dallas and Ft Worth. But I have to say a drive to the NE is sounding pretty tempting at the moment :)
Hey Cap.. it's your thread and all but how about just letting people post their rides with no drama and only good humored poking fun at each other? I'm enjoying this :)
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i'd friggin LOVE to see that. there's too many of us that love cars too much not to do that.
my dakota(on the chopping block for the gt)
(http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa135/1LTCAP/statepolicesouthstar0611.jpg)
my fuel injected fairmont.....(might find its way onto the chopping block)
(http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa135/1LTCAP/AVIATION166.jpg)
my old 89gt.....(i really miss that car, but the new one will alleviate that)
(http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa135/1LTCAP/ippie1.jpg)
and my 68 camaro dragster........(take special notice of the christmas tree)
(http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa135/1LTCAP/AVIATION032.jpg)
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Holy Carp Laverne!!!! :O
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2005 Silverado replaced the 2000 Silverado that was totaled this past Christmas.
(http://i538.photobucket.com/albums/ff345/martinguitarist/b35a0365.jpg)
My Mustang:
(http://i538.photobucket.com/albums/ff345/martinguitarist/censoredorderconfirmation.jpg)
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you haven't.....it's still talking about cars. that's the common interest we all share.....we all love cars. :aok
That sounds great CAP. :aok
And dude, you have some nice rides there. Love that 68 Camaro, wtg on the reaction there too! :aok
Looks like there's enough power under that hood.. :D
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Effin A Golfer that looks like a schaweeeeeet ride :)
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That sounds great CAP. :aok
And dude, you have some nice rides there. Love that 68 Camaro, wtg on the reaction there too! :aok
Looks like there's enough power under that hood.. :D
that was the old engine....just a 454 bored out to 461....dyno'd to about 650hp. the one in there now, is a 540, dyno'd at 827hp.
the sad thing......it also is on the chopping block.
oh...and thanks!! i think you're the only one that noticed that. :aok
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I'll have to give creds to whoever is holding the camera too cap, because if that was not a lucky shot there had to be some good reaction there too. :aok Much like photographing the lightning..
Very cool picture you've got there, really captures time and power right in the launch. :rock :salute
If it were mine, it would be enlarged, framed and hanging on the biggest wall in my living room. Right above my sofa.. With spotlights.. :D
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My daily drive is German, and I never was any fan of Mercedes really but I am really starting to like this one. Well, here she is. Mercedes w124 1990 mod, with my little personal touch-ups. Or downs.. :P
(http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x320/FearFactor_photos/mlla5.jpg)
(http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x320/FearFactor_photos/S1031861.jpg)
(http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x320/FearFactor_photos/S1031857.jpg)
(http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x320/FearFactor_photos/S1031836.jpg)
(http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x320/FearFactor_photos/S1031834.jpg)
(http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x320/FearFactor_photos/S1031866.jpg)
And a couple of my other rides as we are throwing pics.. :)
67Volvo Amazon
(http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x320/FearFactor_photos/S1030638.jpg)
82 Blazer K5.
(http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x320/FearFactor_photos/Blazer1.jpg)
(http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x320/FearFactor_photos/Blazer2-1.jpg)
Old Dodge of mine in the background too.. Its still sitting around here actually.. Not in use.
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nice Amazon :aok
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nice Amazon :aok
Thank you RTHolmes. :)
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does the other side of that van have a sticker that says 'free candy'? :devil
Digging the mods on the Benz sir
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does the other side of that van have a sticker that says 'free candy'? :devil
Digging the mods on the Benz sir
Lol, no it does not. But yeah, it does have that gangster look. :devil
Thanks for digging the mods on the Benz, the mods are not for all to like.. We have the so called "Original Polizei" that thinks a Benz should always stay the way it was made from the factory. I for myself think otherwise.. :P
Don't think I've ever owned a car that I did not mod into my own liking. That's kinda the fun part by having a car, not just to drive it from A to B.. :cool:
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does the other side of that van have a sticker that says 'free candy'? :devil
Digging the mods on the Benz sir
leeetle girrrrlllll.......c'mon zee heeereeeee......i haf zomtink to showwwww uuuuuuuu..... :noid :bolt: :devil :rofl
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leeetle girrrrlllll.......c'mon zee heeereeeee......i haf zomtink to showwwww uuuuuuuu..... :noid :bolt: :devil :rofl
:rofl :rofl
SAJ, I like the blue lighted interior on the Benz.
CAP, nice jump on the tree. :O
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i'd friggin LOVE to see that. there's too many of us that love cars too much not to do that.
my dakota(on the chopping block for the gt)
(http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa135/1LTCAP/statepolicesouthstar0611.jpg)
my fuel injected fairmont.....(might find its way onto the chopping block)
(http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa135/1LTCAP/AVIATION166.jpg)
my old 89gt.....(i really miss that car, but the new one will alleviate that)
(http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa135/1LTCAP/ippie1.jpg)
and my 68 camaro dragster........(take special notice of the christmas tree)
(http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa135/1LTCAP/AVIATION032.jpg)
Wow Cap... at the time I'd never thought a Fairmont would become a collectable but that one looks to be in great shape. Love the window sticker. haha
2005 Silverado replaced the 2000 Silverado that was totaled this past Christmas.
(http://i538.photobucket.com/albums/ff345/martinguitarist/b35a0365.jpg)
My Mustang:
(http://i538.photobucket.com/albums/ff345/martinguitarist/censoredorderconfirmation.jpg)
My 05 Silverado...
(http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q96/Shuff_photos/Mmytruck.jpg)
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leeetle girrrrlllll.......c'mon zee heeereeeee......i haf zomtink to showwwww uuuuuuuu..... :noid :bolt: :devil :rofl
It's okay I'm a photographer and I can make you a model :devil
Nice truck Shuffler... :aok
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Wow Cap... at the time I'd never thought a Fairmont would become a collectable but that one looks to be in great shape. Love the window sticker. haha
My 05 Silverado...
(http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q96/Shuff_photos/Mmytruck.jpg)
she';sin unusually good shape for a ford from that era....little 1/4 panel rot, which was typical of fords. i've got the headliner out, as i'm making a new one, and i found new interior rear 1/4 trim, which i'm repainting, seeing as i'm not having a red interior.
i like that truck, 'cept i think chevy should never have gone to those style headlights....it's still a beauty though.
talked to miller.......got them down to 34k out the door for an 012 exactly how i want it......or winner dropped that 011 down to 32,9k out the door....but that doesn't have the rear ratio i want, and it has the beigegrey interior.
stangs seem tough in this area. i've known ford's having trouble keeping up with production for the 3.7 v6......but i've been hearing that they're having trouble keeping up production of the 5 liter, as that engine is shared in the stang, and the f150....and that engine seems to account for nearly half of fords 150 sales....and they seem to be giving priority to the truck right now.
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what the base price for a ROUSH? saw one today at EMT class and i almost cried. :(
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what the base price for a ROUSH? saw one today at EMT class and i almost cried. :(
saw a stage 1 listed on ebay for about 53k. if you really want to cry........
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2011-SHELBY-GT-350-MUSTANG-/190561554372?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item2c5e5a8fc4
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saw a stage 1 listed on ebay for about 53k. if you really want to cry........
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2011-SHELBY-GT-350-MUSTANG-/190561554372?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item2c5e5a8fc4
and thats the reason i like Fords cars over Dodge's...
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A Stage 1 is just changes to the looks without changing the power. To get the handling and the power upgrades you're looking at a Stage 3 which means you're hitting $50,000 and up.
If money were no object? Oh hell yes.
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saw a stage 1 listed on ebay for about 53k. if you really want to cry........
53k for a Stage 1? Heck I should buy three just to sell two. You can get a Stage 3 for 55k on the sticker.
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53k for a Stage 1? Heck I should buy three just to sell two. You can get a Stage 3 for 55k on the sticker.
i wish i could afford to do that.........
hell.....i want that gt350 i linked.........1.05 skidpad, 11 second 1/4 miles, and beyond civil on the street......but that price.......
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i wish i could afford to do that.........
hell.....i want that gt350 i linked.........1.05 skidpad, 11 second 1/4 miles, and beyond civil on the street......but that price.......
this.
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There's a BOSS 302 (and a Shelby GT500) both Kona Blue at the dealership I ordered my car through. Seeing my car next to the BOSS knowing it's only 200/month more than the ho hum little sixer I ordered...
Plus higher insurance... :eek:
Plus all the wear items I'll go through tracking it... :(
Plus the entry fees... :huh
Even when it's added up it almost seems worth it. Almost. :rolleyes:
Whenever I feel that way I just need to look at the videos of the 2011+ sixers hanging with and beating 2008-2010 GTs and I remember why I bought what I did. I don't know where my new found discipline is coming from but I'm hoping I survive walking past the Shelby (what I really really really want, money no object) and the BOSS (What I could afford, technically...) to get to my car. I think the sales team is doing this on purpose because they're all the same color as mine, they're new arrivals and they know I'm interested. Bastages.
The sooner mine gets here (it should be on a train!) the better and the cash burning a hole in my pocket won't be there anymore so I'll stop shopping...right? :cry
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What I meant to say is, CAP...for only 25 cents more look at how much more you can get :)
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There's a BOSS 302 (and a Shelby GT500) both Kona Blue at the dealership I ordered my car through. Seeing my car next to the BOSS knowing it's only 200/month more than the ho hum little sixer I ordered...
Plus higher insurance... :eek:
Plus all the wear items I'll go through tracking it... :(
Plus the entry fees... :huh
Even when it's added up it almost seems worth it. Almost. :rolleyes:
Whenever I feel that way I just need to look at the videos of the 2011+ sixers hanging with and beating 2008-2010 GTs and I remember why I bought what I did. I don't know where my new found discipline is coming from but I'm hoping I survive walking past the Shelby (what I really really really want, money no object) and the BOSS (What I could afford, technically...) to get to my car. I think the sales team is doing this on purpose because they're all the same color as mine, they're new arrivals and they know I'm interested. Bastages.
The sooner mine gets here (it should be on a train!) the better and the cash burning a hole in my pocket won't be there anymore so I'll stop shopping...right? :cry
Patience Golfer... patience :) Go see a movie or something.
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What I meant to say is, CAP...for only 25 cents more look at how much more you can get :)
to be honest, i'll consider myself lucky to get financing for either of these cars.......while my credit's not in the pooper, it's not that great either.
it looks like when a ford dealer runs someone for credit, they run them through about a dozen different possible sources, including ford motor credit. i've heard in the past, that if you've got a heartbeat, and an income, ford will take the loan on........either way, i'm applying at both dealerships tomorrow, as getting credit won't lock me in, but rather it gives me 2 options.
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You'll be approved. If you're not for whatever reason then if I got approved, so will you, talk to the guy I'm buying from. I worried the same way but I am good all the way out to 60 months at 1.9% with all incentives (adds up to $2250 off X plan price, which is Invoice + 0.4%) with my "modest" rating we'll call it.
I wouldn't sweat not being approved especially with anything resembling a reasonable down payment. Ford Credit is the only one that popped up on my report as an inquiry. They're going to sell it off to somewhere else anyway (nothing will change on your end) once it's finalized as I understand it.
I will say waiting sucks. I'm pretty sure I said that already but just to reaffirm...waiting sucks.
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You'll be approved. If you're not for whatever reason then if I got approved, so will you, talk to the guy I'm buying from. I worried the same way but I am good all the way out to 60 months at 1.9% with all incentives (adds up to $2250 off X plan price, which is Invoice + 0.4%) with my "modest" rating we'll call it.
I wouldn't sweat not being approved especially with anything resembling a reasonable down payment. Ford Credit is the only one that popped up on my report as an inquiry. They're going to sell it off to somewhere else anyway (nothing will change on your end) once it's finalized as I understand it.
I will say waiting sucks. I'm pretty sure I said that already but just to reaffirm...waiting sucks.
well, i'm leaning Heavily towards the 012. if they'd come down to about 27k or 28k for the 011, i'd settle for those couple things that aren't exactly what i want.....but i don't think they really can come that low on that car.
so really, it's a no-brainer between the two, considering only an approx. 2k price difference.
if for whatever reason neither of these goes through, i'll definitely give your guy a try.......and i may try a couple i saw listed on ebay, at dealers in tx too........either of those options would also give me an excuse to meet another cool cartoon pile-it.
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Go with the 12 :)
Evidently the least expensive (not most direct) route from Detroit to Philly is through Boston. My car is there in a CSX yard awaiting transport south.
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Go with the 12 :)
Evidently the least expensive (not most direct) route from Detroit to Philly is through Boston. My car is there in a CSX yard awaiting transport south.
just for the heck of it......i saw one on ebay in virginia......so i emailed em about it. apparently it was sold this past weekend. i'm really starting to think they're bait-n-switching on there. he did have a very nice sounding one for 33 even, with the brembo brake package, backup camera, heated seats, and a couple other goodies.
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NOT THE HEATED SEATS!!!! THEY'LL BE THE DEATH OF US ALL!!!!! RUN FOR THE HILLS!!!!!
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NOT THE HEATED SEATS!!!! THEY'LL BE THE DEATH OF US ALL!!!!! RUN FOR THE HILLS!!!!!
dood.....to me, those heated seats will be a godsend. i actually have a heated seat cushion that i use in the dakota, during the winter.
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V6 Camaro at Sebring. This is a strret car with CAI, exhaust, and wing added.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfBEXPkXwOA&feature=player_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfBEXPkXwOA&feature=player_embedded)
Note the cars he passes.
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20 minutes......i'm gonna hafta wait'll i get home to watch it. i'm sure i'm gonna see a poorly driven mustang gettin passed.
if i make it up to mcguire, i'll have a review on a v6 camaro, as gary's told me he'll let me drive his 2010. we have another member with a 2010 v8, which i believe he had a supercharger installed on.....i don't wanna ask him to drive that though, as he's one of those that i'll have hanging over my shoulder constantly....and then i'll have to let him drive my car. gary can....this other guy can't.....no way no how.
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20 minutes......i'm gonna hafta wait'll i get home to watch it. i'm sure i'm gonna see a poorly driven mustang gettin passed.
if i make it up to mcguire, i'll have a review on a v6 camaro, as gary's told me he'll let me drive his 2010. we have another member with a 2010 v8, which i believe he had a supercharger installed on.....i don't wanna ask him to drive that though, as he's one of those that i'll have hanging over my shoulder constantly....and then i'll have to let him drive my car. gary can....this other guy can't.....no way no how.
Oh more than one :)
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dood.....to me, those heated seats will be a godsend. i actually have a heated seat cushion that i use in the dakota, during the winter.
A cold butt is the reason they invented gortex and foods that cause gas.
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A cold butt is the reason they invented gortex and foods that cause gas.
i friggin LOVE my gortex. best of all, it was all free, thanks to civil air patrol. :aok
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Oh more than one :)
so it's a bunch of poorly driven stangs. that'd explain how a camaro can get by em. :devil
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so far, i saw him pass that burg. car, which, although hard to tell, doesn't look like a mustang......and at the same time the white stang, that looked to be an sn95 that moved over, and wasn't driving at the same speed as in the beginning.....is it REALLY that hard to see out the windshield of the camaro? is the rest of the view just as bad?
what's that silver thing he can't get past, until it looks like the guy let him?is it REALLY that hard to see out of a camaro?
sheesh!! the silver mustang at 11:19....does that guy know anything about being smooth? looked like he literally threw it into that turn....same at 11:38, cept not quite as bad.....and then at 11:45 he moves over, and waves the camaro by.......so once again, he was allowed to pass......looks like he really did pass the black one. is it REALLY that hard to see out of a camaro?
nice 66 gt350...or was it a 65? shows what i keep saying....todays v6's out perform yesterdays hot rods. oh yea.....he was waved by that guy too. :devil is it REALLY that hard to see out of a camaro?
i stopped there. i gotta admit, that v6 does actually sound very nice.......although it'd sound much nicer with a manual tranny. oh yea......and.......is it REALLY that hard to see out of a camaro?
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almost forgot..........consumer reports.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVC9fZfp4GQ
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is it REALLY that hard to see out of a camaro?
In a word.. yes.. I think the Cylons could do well though :devil
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In a word.. yes.. I think the Cylons could do well though :devil
that's 'cause they got those scanner thingies.
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(http://gallery.drfaulken.com/d/4248-1/tricia_helfer.jpg)
Speaking of 'scann'er''thingies'
I'd volunteer :)
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(http://gallery.drfaulken.com/d/4248-1/tricia_helfer.jpg)
Speaking of 'scann'er''thingies'
I'd volunteer :)
<<insert drooling icon here, along with a couple others not available on this bbs>>
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i friggin LOVE my gortex. best of all, it was all free, thanks to civil air patrol. :aok
In that case, you're welcome. ;)
Buy the 12. One of the nice things about being me is choosing my rental cars on the road for work so when shopping for one of the new pony cars came about I had a unique opportunity. I've rented a 2011 Mustang, 2010 Camaro SS and a 2010 Challenger keeping each for a week.
If I was shopping for the Moen faucet of cars (Buy it for looks, buy it for life) I would have bought the Challenger. It's the slowest of the 3, the biggest and to my eye the best looking if you're considering the modern retro theme. It just looks like a 1960's car which is why it's a big but also why it's sexy. It's a good driver for cruising around, it has pretty good visibility and every time I see one I have to watch it go by. However I'd like to throw it around a bit, drive it around a corner now and again and get somewhat sensible fuel economy none of which are the RT or SRT8's forte.
Next comes the Camaro. I got an Avis Bumble Bee for a week earlier this year. 2SS Coupe with a little bling and blind spot visibility of a Panzer tank from the gunners seat. I liked the way it drove I just didn't like driving it. It's a head turner, it looks sharp but I see a blocky transformer-mobile rather than a modern retro style. If I was alone on a track I'd probably enjoy it much more than I did tooling about on the Savannah freeways. The HUD was cool, the interior was okay if not perhaps a little too retro and did I mention it did garner much attention? I think the valets liked the fact I had it more than I did, in fact I'm sure of it. Did I mention the HUD was cool?
(http://i538.photobucket.com/albums/ff345/martinguitarist/camarohud2.jpg)
(http://i538.photobucket.com/albums/ff345/martinguitarist/camarohud.jpg)
And finally the Mustang. Fall in Atlanta last year resulted in my inadvertent upgrade into a 2011 Mustang when the friendly Hertz folks left a Chevy HHR for me in the gold lot. I went to the desk, politely declined that POS and was asked if a Mustang was more suitable. At the time I wasn't actually car shopping but I knew there was a 2010 redesign with talk about a new motor though I hadn't paid it much attention since "it's not a GT." I took the keys and this 1200 mile vehicle was ready to go, the controls fell easily to hand, the car seemed to fit and best of all you can see out of it. I guided my little secretary-mobile out of the lot, around the roads and onto the freeway heading north to my hotel. As I found myself on the on ramp I did like any reasonable rental car driver would do and saw how far into the floor I could push the gas pedal and was I in for a surprise. The car leaped forward, roared and pushed me back in my seat. Now I had driven 2005-2008 GT's and this was the same kind of oomph. So much so I was convinced that despite the black side stripe that tell the average idiot that it's a "Mustang" it had a V8. I was wrong. Popping the hood when I got to the hotel and a brief bit of research showed it had MORE horsepower than the 2008 GT cranking out of the little V6.
(http://i538.photobucket.com/albums/ff345/martinguitarist/Mustangrental.jpg)
Enter my test drives this spring when I came to make my decision. I took the 2011 GT and 2012 V6 manuals out for a ride as well as a 2012 V6 Auto (convertible) at a couple local dealerships. I also took a manual Camaro 2RS for a spin at different Chevy dealers. While the 2011 GT is a beast I was focusing my decision on getting good fuel economy over my Silverado (20mpg highway) when I was driving to/from Ohio to visit family. An extra 10-11 mpg highway (8-9 when I put in the 3.73 gears) accomplish this while making for a much more efficient daily driver (I can expect 22-23 around town vs 14-15 mpg in the truck) that's a lot more fun to drive (hence the gears) and I can wring out on a track day at Pocono or Millville and play around with Autocross. To give the Camaro a fair shake since I was shopping for a convertible from the get go I took out one of the 2RS convertibles in hopes the lack of the B pillar and blacked out window would help visibility. In short, it didn't. I realize it's in the eye of the beholder but whatever Chevrolet is marketing as beauty just doesn't strike the right chord in my eye. I wanted to like the Camaro especially now that there's a convertible version. It's just one opinion but I'm not a fan of the looks though the performance is certainly every bit good (when not compared to the Mustang) and will still make you smile when you put your foot down. The Mustang though gives you butterflies.
Making my decision between the Coyote (5.0L) and the V6 (3.7L) wasn't as difficult as I thought. Retaining a little logic I realized I was perfectly willing to purchase a 295-315hp GT Convertible for 24-28,000. I'd get 22 mpg on the highway, 15 around town which is only a 2mpg improvement over my V8 315hp full size pickup truck. That doesn't exactly fit the bill for fuel economy. Realizing the 5.0 is a beast, I could nurse 26 (and sometimes slightly better) mpg on the highway out of it and do nearly just as well around town I needed to decide if for the dollar the Premium GT convertible was worth the $7000 premium over the Premium V6. That didn't take long considering the styling of the Pony Package V6 with it's honest to goodness classic looking grill with a crossbar pony emblem really strikes my eye well. The MCA (Mustang Club of America) edition comes with a billet grill and the same wheels for the same price. While very stylish didn't win out when I made my decision which was for the V6 Pony Package which will look similar to this:
(http://forums.themustangsource.com/attachments/f786/73881d1269522519-2011-kona-blue-conv-pony-pkg-w-hids-2011-kona-blue-pony-conv.-hids-2.jpg)
I think I did alright :)
Now if the damn thing would just get here! :bhead
From a rail yard in Boston to being driven off the lot on the 16th is what we're figuring now. (biting nails)
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i wish ford would do a hud in the mustang.....
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i wish ford would do a hud in the mustang.....
There's an app for that ;)
(http://www.car-vs-car.de/speedbox/img/iphone-HUD.jpg)
I downloaded it while we were on the trip and it works pretty well. They even make a mount for it.
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LOL CAP I just bought a ford but there is only one difference...mine looks like this
(http://carphotos.cardomain.com/ride_images/3/1837/3141/29591570006_large.jpg)
She runs great and for the big interceptor engine in it it gets great gas mileage. I took her to NH from PA and averaged 31 MPG which i found to be great. The worst part bout the darned car is, everyone slows down when I get behind them. (it still has the pushbar on the front of it)
FeralPig
I'm gonna burst your bubble but the "interceptor" package adds nothing in terms of performance to the car.
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I'm gonna burst your bubble but the "interceptor" package adds nothing in terms of performance to the car.
heavy duty alternator. (i think 120 or 140 amp, compared to standard 110 amp)
silicone hoses throughout the cooling system.
more aggressive fuel and spark curves(i think)
no governer(i think)
bigger sway bars(i think)
bigger tires
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As for the view..... being a truck family, using morrors is no issue. You sit "in" the camaro like sitting in a cockpit.
My Daughter has driver her car for 1 1/2 years and still loves it.
Mustang pumped up their antiquated horsepower to compete with the camaro. The difference in HP is minimal. There is a difference in weight that is more noticeable. It is close enough to come down to the drivers.
Aparently all the mustang drivers in the video I posted were sub-par. Cap?? Are there any drivers that get mustangs? :rofl
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As for the view..... being a truck family, using morrors is no issue. You sit "in" the camaro like sitting in a cockpit.
My Daughter has driver her car for 1 1/2 years and still loves it.
Mustang pumped up their antiquated horsepower to compete with the camaro. The difference in HP is minimal. There is a difference in weight that is more noticeable. It is close enough to come down to the drivers.
Aparently all the mustang drivers in the video I posted were sub-par. Cap?? Are there any drivers that get mustangs? :rofl
no...he made 1 or 2 real passes. i saw one of the stangs being thrown like the guy thought he was on fast n furious. the 65 shelby doesn't count.
and rewatch that consumer review video. apparently, the driver doesn't make the difference. :devil
oh yea....it was the other way 'round. chevy cranked up the camaro to compete with the mustang....and ford did just as they always do in these situations, and topped em. :aok now go watch the vid of the camaro losing both laps,even after switching drivers. :bolt:
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heavy duty alternator. (i think 120 or 140 amp, compared to standard 110 amp)
silicone hoses throughout the cooling system.
more aggressive fuel and spark curves(i think)
no governer(i think)
bigger sway bars(i think)
bigger tires
Tha's about it. It is beefed up for heavy duty work but it's not "suped" up like in the old days :)
When i was selling fleet for Ford the only difference between a civilian and a police packaged unit was fluid coolers and beefed up suspension. Otherwise the power output was identical.
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Tha's about it. It is beefed up for heavy duty work but it's not "suped" up like in the old days :)
When i was selling fleet for Ford the only difference between a civilian and a police packaged unit was fluid coolers and beefed up suspension. Otherwise the power output was identical.
i forgot about the extra coolers, and thought the crown vic suspension(except the tires) was the same, as all of my cop friends used to complain of their vics "floating" around 100 or so.
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i forgot about the extra coolers, and thought the crown vic suspension(except the tires) was the same, as all of my cop friends used to complain of their vics "floating" around 100 or so.
IIRC it was mostly upgraded bushings and struts. No major components were changed.
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I want to see Cap and Shuffler race... that will settle it one way or another :devil
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IIRC it was mostly upgraded bushings and struts. No major components were changed.
you'd be shocked at the difference that just upgrading bushings can make.
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I want to see Cap and Shuffler race... that will settle it one way or another :devil
im afraid of his truck. when he discovers he can't beat me, he'll run over me in that thing. :noid :bolt: :devil
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Speakin o' cop cars:
One of my regrets is I rarely ever got pix of cars I helped setup or put together ..
Late '70's I worked part time in a SoCal speed shop in Victorvile, CA .. Performance Associates.
Owner had a friend in the CHP who worked out of Barstow ..
..they had an idea that we could setup an 'interceptor' for them and they brought us a bran-new 454 '79 Monte Carlo to see what we could do.
Well.
We dual-turbo'd it. Big port heads, Engle provided the roller turbo spec cam, and two Holly 850's fed it.. along with forged internals and 9:1 pistons from TRW.. etc.
Beefed the tranny, suspension, rear went to a 2.56 ratio, tires were Pirelli's rated for 200mph.
Even put a small air dam front spoiler lookin thingy across the front under the bumper to prevent the front from gettin too light at speed.
It had a sweet low rumbly exhaust, sat a couple inches lower, looked mean as hell in black and white :)
Test drives were pretty amazin ..it wasn't 'quick' like my Duster but it felt like ridin a cannonball down a well .. it just kept accelerating with no fall off in sight.
It would fry the tires fairly easily when it hit second at 100mph or so. No one had wound it out in 3rd.
They brought it in for it's first oily change and checkup and couldn't stop talkin about it .. they *loved* it ..
.. one guy had run down a Ferrari with it, pulled up next to the guy and told him to pull over, at 175mph .. ROFL.
-Frank aka GE
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no...he made 1 or 2 real passes. i saw one of the stangs being thrown like the guy thought he was on fast n furious. the 65 shelby doesn't count.
and rewatch that consumer review video. apparently, the driver doesn't make the difference. :devil
oh yea....it was the other way 'round. chevy cranked up the camaro to compete with the mustang....and ford did just as they always do in these situations, and topped em. :aok now go watch the vid of the camaro losing both laps,even after switching drivers. :bolt:
If you are at a meet at Sebring you will not just pass. The driver in front of you has to motion you to pass and on which side. These are not proffessional racers. They are street cars.
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no...he made 1 or 2 real passes. i saw one of the stangs being thrown like the guy thought he was on fast n furious. the 65 shelby doesn't count.
and rewatch that consumer review video. apparently, the driver doesn't make the difference. :devil
oh yea....it was the other way 'round. chevy cranked up the camaro to compete with the mustang....and ford did just as they always do in these situations, and topped em. :aok now go watch the vid of the camaro losing both laps,even after switching drivers. :bolt:
lol your referring to the ford site vid posting. Watch it and you'll also see that both drivers sandbagged the camaro. lol
Both drivers being ford enthusiast. The vid I posted was ford folks driving their cars and chevy folks driving theirs.
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lol your referring to the ford site vid posting. Watch it and you'll also see that both drivers sandbagged the camaro. lol
Both drivers being ford enthusiast. The vid I posted was ford folks driving their cars and chevy folks driving theirs.
no...consumer reports.
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Hey CAP and fellow 'Stang people. You wouldn't happen to know anyone looking for a perfect supercharged 91 5.0 would ya?
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My cousin's Stang. 1000 miles on a new motor, supercharged, fresh paint, etc. Wish I could afford it right now.
(http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w63/jager515/mustang1.jpg)
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that's pretty sweet looking. very nice actually.
he may have trouble selling it. my customer that had the 87 ragtop with the paxton had to drop his price from 13.5 down to a little over 7k to sell it. that car was nearly perfect.
in other news......got the call today i was approved for the loan, for the 012. the interest isn't as low as i'd like it, but then like i said, my credit's not what it should be either. payments should be affordable. i'm just waiting now, to hear if the dealer they were getting me the car from still has it. if they do, i'll be drivin something nice for the first time in many many moons.
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Those cars in the videos above would benefit from someone who can make more use out of what they have to offer.
Like this guy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmeG_tVaFS8
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Those cars in the videos above would benefit from someone who can make more use out of what they have to offer.
Like this guy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmeG_tVaFS8
the consumer reports video?
i watched it 2x. i was trying to figure out if they were idiots, or if they were drifting around a couple of those turns deliberate.
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that's pretty sweet looking. very nice actually.
he may have trouble selling it. my customer that had the 87 ragtop with the paxton had to drop his price from 13.5 down to a little over 7k to sell it. that car was nearly perfect.
in other news......got the call today i was approved for the loan, for the 012. the interest isn't as low as i'd like it, but then like i said, my credit's not what it should be either. payments should be affordable. i'm just waiting now, to hear if the dealer they were getting me the car from still has it. if they do, i'll be drivin something nice for the first time in many many moons.
WOOHOOO!!!!
The race is ON Shuffler :devil :neener:
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that's pretty sweet looking. very nice actually.
he may have trouble selling it. my customer that had the 87 ragtop with the paxton had to drop his price from 13.5 down to a little over 7k to sell it. that car was nearly perfect.
in other news......got the call today i was approved for the loan, for the 012. the interest isn't as low as i'd like it, but then like i said, my credit's not what it should be either. payments should be affordable. i'm just waiting now, to hear if the dealer they were getting me the car from still has it. if they do, i'll be drivin something nice for the first time in many many moons.
He's asking 8k for it. I imagine it'll sell at that price. My cousin is a freak when it comes to his vehicles. It has to be spotless. You should see his stretched nitrous Hayabusa... That thing is INSANE!
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CAP congratulations. I'm sitting at 101K miles on my 05 and they can't get me out of it. One of my clients is a ford dealer and they want me in the 12 so bad but I just love the one I have so will sit tight.
One of the best cars I've ever owned, and I currently own a porsche boxster, toyota camry, chevy van and the stang.
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Just for grins, here's that Busa I was talkin about. :aok
(http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w63/jager515/busa.jpg)
Check out that NOS tank! Also has a thumb operated air shifter, stretched swingarm, custom ported and polished heads, digital ignition controller, custom gearbox for the drag strip, and many more upgrades. It's by far the sweetest bike I've ever had the pleasure of taking a ride on. At the strip, he subs out for a slick and wheelie bar. :O
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Congrats Cap, after I drove the new 5.0 I was hooked, but being in my 30s and considering the M word with my girl, a new 5.0 is out. So I'll stick to my Lightning for now.
Shuffler, I'd race ya...if we weren't 2000+ miles away.
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in other news......got the call today i was approved for the loan, for the 012. the interest isn't as low as i'd like it, but then like i said, my credit's not what it should be either. payments should be affordable. i'm just waiting now, to hear if the dealer they were getting me the car from still has it. if they do, i'll be drivin something nice for the first time in many many moons.
Congratulations! My credit wasn't anything to write home about so I wouldn't give up on getting the promotional financing just yet (1.9% to 60 months w/ the incentives which is 1500-2250 off depending on your 750 Ford cash coupon) Kick him back into the finance managers office, make sure they know you're serious and see what they come back with :)
I think the nice little old lady at Ford Customer Service yesterday got the VIN wrong (after repeating it 8 times it seems) and I verified through 2 sources that mine was loaded on a train car for transport today. Due 8/20. 2 months to the day from time of order. Fingers crossed it finds it way here swiftly and safely. I'll have to come see yours and throw some 3.73's in mine!
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I missed the progress report on the acquisition.
Congratulations and I hope you get the one you want.
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He's asking 8k for it. I imagine it'll sell at that price. My cousin is a freak when it comes to his vehicles. It has to be spotless. You should see his stretched nitrous Hayabusa... That thing is INSANE!
at that price, that thing should sell VERY quickly. :aok
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Just for grins, here's that Busa I was talkin about. :aok
(http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w63/jager515/busa.jpg)
Check out that NOS tank! Also has a thumb operated air shifter, stretched swingarm, custom ported and polished heads, digital ignition controller, custom gearbox for the drag strip, and many more upgrades. It's by far the sweetest bike I've ever had the pleasure of taking a ride on. At the strip, he subs out for a slick and wheelie bar. :O
dude.....i friggin HATE crotch rockets.
that being said........that bike is effin beautiful!! it has to be one of the best looking i've ever seen. i'd be willing to bet that just listening to the idle makes the hair on your arms stand up.....then to listen to that engine screaming down the 1/4 mile.......<insert drooling icon>
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Congrats Cap, after I drove the new 5.0 I was hooked, but being in my 30s and considering the M word with my girl, a new 5.0 is out. So I'll stick to my Lightning for now.
Shuffler, I'd race ya...if we weren't 2000+ miles away.
i'm an ass.
you know they have some sort of special latching system in the rear seats for a child seat, right?
that being said.....i hope things work for ya with the girlfriend.....and a preemptive congratulations on that sir. :aok
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My cousin's Stang. 1000 miles on a new motor, supercharged, fresh paint, etc. Wish I could afford it right now.
(http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w63/jager515/mustang1.jpg)
I suggest searching online in your area for a performance car club of a mustang club. Then signing on their forums and posting the car for sale. Be sure to check rules and post it in the correct area on their forums.
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you know they have some sort of special latching system in the rear seats for a child seat, right?
That's the LATCH system. Required by law now i believe.
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That's the LATCH system. Required by law now i believe.
THAT i didn't know.
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WTG CAP . . moments of contentment are comin .. ie:
Walkin out to start it up.
Sittin at a stoplight ..just listenin, enjoyin the moment :)
Goin up an onramp .. ooohh yaaa.
Havin to brake at the top to get back down to the speed limit
..and still not even into 3rd of that six-gear ...Yassir!!
Chirpies into second.
..and so on :)
-Frank aka GE (headin Eastward on a Road Trip to visit Ratbo n' Jam in Sept .. no schedule, nowhere we gotta be, no time limit -evil grin- ..our first 'vacation' in decades)
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Be sure to approach from the front or side. :)
If you go to any othe stang forums you'll find many of them even wondering what ford was thinking.
Have fun and be safe.
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Congrats Cap, after I drove the new 5.0 I was hooked, but being in my 30s and considering the M word with my girl, a new 5.0 is out. So I'll stick to my Lightning for now.
Shuffler, I'd race ya...if we weren't 2000+ miles away.
(http://axisvsallies.com/albums/userpics/10001/Marriage2%7E0.jpg)
;)
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:rofl
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http://www.topspeed.com/cars/ford/2012-ford-mustang-blue-angels-edition-ar111951.html
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http://www.topspeed.com/cars/ford/2012-ford-mustang-blue-angels-edition-ar111951.html
i nearly had a crisis looking at that....then i followed the link to this one........http://www.topspeed.com/cars/car-news/sr-71-ford-mustang-gets-auctioned-for-375-000-at-the-eea-airventure-ar94422.html
ima gonna go clean up now. :noid
did you follow this link?
http://www.topspeed.com/cars/ford/2009-ford-mustang-av-x10-dearborn-doll-with-gallery-ar77138/picture312321.html
two legends together. :aok
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aaaaaaannnnnnnnnnnnnndddddddd d of course, i get approved for financing, and now the dealer that my dealer was getting the car from isn't responding to them. the salesman called me this morning, letting me know.
who'd a thunk that it could be so hard to get a new mustang, considering that the rumor somewhere on this bbs was that the alliance plant(where mustangs are built) was possible closing? :devil
the sales guy may have a kona blue one for me, but it sounds like he's working his bellybutton off trying to get one for me. i'd like the blue one. that shade of blue looks like you can dive in and go swimming in it.
btw.....does anyone know what "kona" is? or means?
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ko·na
/ˈkoʊnə/ Show Spelled[koh-nuh] Show IPA
noun
a southwesterly winter wind in Hawaii, often strong and bringing rain.
Origin:
1860–65; < Hawaiian
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ko·na
/ˈkoʊnə/ Show Spelled[koh-nuh] Show IPA
noun
a southwesterly winter wind in Hawaii, often strong and bringing rain.
Origin:
1860–65; < Hawaiian
explains why it looks like yo ucould go swimming in it :lol
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aaaaaaannnnnnnnnnnnnnddddddddd of course, i get approved for financing, and now the dealer that my dealer was getting the car from isn't responding to them. the salesman called me this morning, letting me know.
who'd a thunk that it could be so hard to get a new mustang, considering that the rumor somewhere on this bbs was that the alliance plant(where mustangs are built) was possible closing? :devil
the sales guy may have a kona blue one for me, but it sounds like he's working his bellybutton off trying to get one for me. i'd like the blue one. that shade of blue looks like you can dive in and go swimming in it.
btw.....does anyone know what "kona" is? or means?
(http://mustangattitude.com/mustang/2011/2011_00027_01.jpg)
Would look good on you, CAP. They'll be bringing back Sterling Gray in September and Sonic Blue later in the year (December ish) when Kona runs out. Those are the two colors I'd go with. One I really did like in person was the Lava Red which is a black paint with red metal flake. It looked fantastic in the sunlight! Or the Performance White with black accents. Or the Grabber Blue CS edition with a black stripe.
Aw hell I'm amazed I decided on anything.
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great colour :aok
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Heck they'd look good in Beige with black stripes :)
Just a good lookin automobile.
-Frank aka GE
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to be honest.....and you guys are gonna try to come lynch me for this......i REALLY wanted lime green. but ford discontinued that color. coincindentally, my first car was a lime green 67 coupe with a black vinyl roof, and....get this......a friggin BENCH seat. it's the only mustang i'd ever seen with a bench seat.
that picture makes me want the blue more than the black now......and has anyone noticed the weight transfer going on there?
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has anyone noticed the weight transfer going on there?
It's a V6 ;)
Mustang Club of America edition with the black hockey stripe and the Argent wheels (my favorite) which come with the Performance Package which I do very much like. From the factory that car pictured has 3.31 rear gears, a GT suspension and a strut tower brace (standard on Convertibles and GTs) Not bad for $28,000.
That's THE other car I almost ordered but I stayed true to the convertible I really wanted. :)
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much prettier without the stripe but I'm biased :)
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Just got finished lookin at the links ya posted CAP ..
Hmmm.
WW2 theme Nose art on cars??
What a cool idea :)
And that Chrome Blue .. *nice* .. would like it a shade or two lighter myself.
-Frank aka GE
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Just got finished lookin at the links ya posted CAP ..
Hmmm.
WW2 theme Nose art on cars??
What a cool idea :)
And that Chrome Blue .. *nice* .. would like it a shade or two lighter myself.
-Frank aka GE
i had seen the avx10 before.....i had never seen the sr71 or the blue angels one.
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(http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q260/1grayeagle/our%20new%20baby%20April%2031%202011/KentuckyZephyrVette1600_900.jpg)
Photoshop 'Kentucky Zephyr' nose art that fits my black beauty fairly well :)
(based on one of Life's magazine photo of Marilyn Monroe long ago)
-Frank aka GE (you would be amazed at what you can get for 28k if you can do 'used' .. it will be awhile before I have that much into my Vette -just sayin)
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I can put a C5 Z06 in the garage for the low low 20's. Doesn't mean it's what I want :neener:
My coworker races his 2004 (manual transmission) runs 10s and uses it for a daily driver. With the clutch and suspension changes it's hardly fun to drive in Philadelphia traffic but he does it.
I think I mentioned it earlier on but what's killing me is the 2008 Shelby GT500 that's just sitting about a mile and a half away. In all seriousness had it not been for the new engines and the value for money with what you get today I wouldn't be buying a new car. I can actually justify on paper the difference between a used 2008 GT with it's lower purchase price with its higher interest rate and higher fuel consumption versus a new sixer with it's bargain basement financing all the way out to 5 years and great fuel economy. I make up the difference and start making money on the deal in 33,000 miles. Or for how much I'll be driving it, less than 3 years. For the modest premium I'm also not buying a used sports car, it comes with a full warranty and best of all it's mine because I specified what I wanted out of it. I also keep my monthly payments low enough where I can still afford to fund my retirement, other toys and house down payment fund. I do well at keeping my hind end out of debt which is one thing my credit rating hasn't agreed with so the fact I'm buying something I can afford and pay it off will pay dividends at house buying time in about 3 years which is when this car may well end up on the selling block.
That said, if you would have asked me in February if I would be buying a new car within the next 5 years (or ever, really) I probably would have said no. My preowned cars have treated me well from my little 94 Grand Am I had at 16, the cheapie Taurus fleet vehicle I replaced it with (steal of the century $4000, 50,000 miles, 2002 Taurus in 2004 thanks to a fleet sale) and the 2000 Silverado I bought from my father when we struck a deal when my brother needed a new car. The 2005 Silverado I have now which replaced the 2000 I crashed this past Christmas. After boring preowned cars and trucks to my name for the last 12 years I'm ready for something just a little more fun. Just a little... ;)
As I order gears, tuner, intake, exhaust...
Oh boy. :rolleyes:
p.s.
Nice car :aok
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Pssst, Cap are you going to be out at Maple Grove this weekend?
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Any time I have the choice I refuse to do 'boring' when it comes to personal transportation.
(the reason I say that is.. mother-in-law gave us her Nissan pickup ..it's a trundle-car ..I'd never buy anything like it)
It was a Godsend when I didn't have a vehicle at all tho.
It is completely subjective and I realize that C5's or even Vette's in general aren't liked by a lot of people.
Especially when they were abused by one -evil grin-
I do not have any problems at all driving in traffic with a clutch in a hi-performance automobile, even being the Geezer I am.
Having owned an auto C5 and now the manual C5, I can tellya it takes a bit more focus to drive the manual
..I like to downshift and apex the corner onto an onramp among many of the other myriad things I enjoy doing when I drive it.
I kinda kill the around town gas mileage runnin up thru the gears an such ..it's only averaging ~20mpg. The auto was doin ~24mpg around town.
On the freeway tho, they both do 30mpg at 70mph..the manual has a *nice* 6th gear overdrive.
I could have spent a bit more and got into a Z06 .. but .. you can't take the top off.
And I *can* makeup the horsepower/susp difference fairly easily. For less than the Z06 would have cost.
(already in process :)
And the coupe looks more aerodynamic ..and is.
And the hatchback .. wife and I do our hunter-gatherer thing in the Vette ..it's practical.
On this particular C5 I can turn a knob to adjust suspension settings from boulevard cruiser to cornering beasty ..instantly.
(it's cool to have it soft then launch the car hard ..front end comes up abruptly as it does that weight txfer thing)
-Frank aka GE (a Mustang would be a step down .. like gettin a Camaro .. I don' need no back seat, man)
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The clutch in question isn't the stock one but rather a super grabby aftermarket clutch that took his perfectly happy little touring car and turned it into a quick off the line race car. I don't recall the brand but I didn't state it all too well. This along with his new camshaft, tune, z06 exhaust, 4.10 gears, drag radials/slicks as necessary and he has a pretty zippy street car he runs the 10.50 and 11.50 index races with depending on time of year. He used to put a 150 shot of nitrous on it but took it off and runs NA now.
I grew up in a Corvette household, learned to drive a stick in one. Actually that's false, I learned how to drive a stick without realizing it on a little Cub Cadet tractor but the first manual car I ever drove as a 1986 Corvette.
I like having room for a foursome and golf clubs. Hence the Mustang. I like being able to see where I'm going. Hence the Mustang over the Camaro ;)
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Aye Golfer dood .. the late 80's Vette's reflected the times.
They just plain sucked for the most part IMHO.
The last hurrah for the C3 was the '70 454 .. again that is just my opinion.
I originally found a '68 Roadster/350/4-gear when I decided to get a Vette.
I wanted an older one so I could actually see the spark plugs and deal with old school hot rodding.
Gettin into and out of it with the top up was a deal-breaker ..it nearly killed me to do it once.
We looked at a beautiful red C-4, 1996 .. but there was no way I would fit in one.
The door pillars were too close together, along with the roofline/floor rail .. it's for people 5 feet high or shorter.
The C5 we eventually looked at and ended up drivin home (on the same lot) was an education and then some.
Just amazing how much they had improved *everything* ..it was a revolutionary change.
I was fortunate enough not to have to finance this latest one.. paid cash,
..I can do anything I want to it, it's mine.
Takin a systems approach and beefin what I want before goin into the motor.
Not gonna mess with the original LS-1 in it, as there are soo many nice 427 variations out there to be had.
Katech offers a very cool LS-3 based 427 .. and Texas Speed .. and many more :)
Makin a car what you want is way more than half the fun :)
Already had one of the Vette guys tell me I 'may not like 4.10's' .. of course he has never run them.
I told him I'd run 4.56's if I could. Even 4.88's if I back-half the car w/Dana 60 and 14x32 tires -evil grin-
Of course, I'd hafta do the Rat 427 up front then .. tunnel-ram or 8-71 mayhap.
-Frank aka GE (ya.. I'd 'ruin' it for sure)
LOL
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My dad has a 96 convertible now he bought in 1999 and I know what you mean. He had a targa top on the 1986 so my and my brothers place when we were being shuffled to/from baseball practice was in the back. One of us would sit in the seat, the other laid on the back where the glass top went. THAT was the car I cut my teeth on when it came to manual cars and while it was very cool to be a 15 year old tooling around in a Corvette I found it to be quite a lot of work and not enjoyable like driving the Explorer or even the Chevy conversion van with their magic automatic transmissions. It wasn't until I was out of high school that I realized not all manual transmissions have the same pedal force as the clutch in that car and I was more than happy to drive any number of makes when the time came. Working line service our fuel trucks were easier to live with not to mention get in/out of than those C4s. His convertible, still a miserable C4, isn't any better but he loves his car so I can't judge. He babies it, doesn't drive it if there's a cloud and takes better care of it than the collector he bought it from did. I still don't like driving it or riding in it because while it might be cool to pull up somewhere in a Corvette, eventually you have to get out of the car and you just don't look cool doing it. I can't comment on the head room of the coupe's because I've never been in one. I've never even been in the convertible with the top up. :lol
Let about 6 years go by and my prejudice to the Corvette as being a miserable vehicle you can't eloquently get in or out of be further solidified in my head my coworker offers me a lift to lunch when a couple vendors show up to talk about some work we are having done on our airplane. This is a few years ago and his car was still in stock form with a little bling since he hadn't discovered drag racing yet and was a show car. Pristine, smooth and sporty were my impressions as we motored along. What really changed was when I went to dismount the car and the agility of an Olympic gymnast getting of a pommel horse wasn't required. I merely stuck my leg out and stood up leaving the car behind...it was great!!!
I've since driven a couple C5's and a C6 (non Z) and they're far and away better than my previous Vette experiences ever were. I still don't want one but they are much better cars than they were. I was however looking hard at C3s. I wanted (and still want) a pre 75 C3 as a project car. I'd like to get something that's drivable and bring it to life not just for the cars sake but for the learning experience it will be for me.
I just need to make more money or marry an heiress. Working on the former and failing at the latter as it turns out. :(
Blah hit submit and wasn't done...
You're going about it the right way. I see a lot of guys go right to power adders without doing anything to the rest of the car. My favorite example of this was from an episode of Pass Time (my coworker was a contestant) when some guy in a little yellow car was going on and on about running 30lbs of boost and making Jeremy Clarkson POOOOOWWWWER!!! When I think it was Ken asked him what modifications he had done to the rear end his reply was "completely stock, it's my first pass!" or something to that effect. I hadn't finished figuring out how long it would take him to push the car across the line yet when he dumped the clutch and the car lurched forward about an inch leaving itself dead in the water.
Oops.
I'm glad I have a little sixer on order because having the 5.0 beastie means I'd be throwing even MORE money at it competing with my coworker. There are a few guys with the little 3.7L Mustangs in the 11's with superchargers. I just want a little sporty car to cut my teeth on before I jump into big boy dollars. I'll make a few passes, do a few mods, play a little with Autocross, make a few more passes and enjoy my wheels without too much temptation to "go big" before my bank tells me to go home.
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Pssst, Cap are you going to be out at Maple Grove this weekend?
i won't be.....i'm working half day at the shop, then helping with some stuff at a friends store.....and i don't expect to be in till about 4am sat. night......
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Aye Golfer dood .. the late 80's Vette's reflected the times.
They just plain sucked for the most part IMHO.
The last hurrah for the C3 was the '70 454 .. again that is just my opinion.
I originally found a '68 Roadster/350/4-gear when I decided to get a Vette.
I wanted an older one so I could actually see the spark plugs and deal with old school hot rodding.
Gettin into and out of it with the top up was a deal-breaker ..it nearly killed me to do it once.
We looked at a beautiful red C-4, 1996 .. but there was no way I would fit in one.
The door pillars were too close together, along with the roofline/floor rail .. it's for people 5 feet high or shorter.
The C5 we eventually looked at and ended up drivin home (on the same lot) was an education and then some.
Just amazing how much they had improved *everything* ..it was a revolutionary change.
I was fortunate enough not to have to finance this latest one.. paid cash,
..I can do anything I want to it, it's mine.
Takin a systems approach and beefin what I want before goin into the motor.
Not gonna mess with the original LS-1 in it, as there are soo many nice 427 variations out there to be had.
Katech offers a very cool LS-3 based 427 .. and Texas Speed .. and many more :)
Makin a car what you want is way more than half the fun :)
Already had one of the Vette guys tell me I 'may not like 4.10's' .. of course he has never run them.
I told him I'd run 4.56's if I could. Even 4.88's if I back-half the car w/Dana 60 and 14x32 tires -evil grin-
Of course, I'd hafta do the Rat 427 up front then .. tunnel-ram or 8-71 mayhap.
-Frank aka GE (ya.. I'd 'ruin' it for sure)
LOL
i know whatcha mean with makin something what ya want. done it a few times.........i'm just at a point right now, where i want "easy", and easy is a mustang or camaro. since i'm a ford nut, and that mustang looks like sex on wheels to me(from any angle), the stang winss hands down.
i've run all the way up to 5.14's on the street. those were a mistake BTW. had one helluva launch though. :devil when i was young, i liked 4.10's, and 4.56's on the street. good launch, but zero top end. engine screaming to do 65mph. not for me anymore.
a 5 liter with 3.73's will cruise at 80mph doing only 2500rpm. still get good launch.
i've no clue what it's gonna be like to change the plugs on this beast. don't have to worry about it for about 30k miles anyway. :aok
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i won't be.....i'm working half day at the shop, then helping with some stuff at a friends store.....and i don't expect to be in till about 4am sat. night......
At that rate when do you expect to pick up the car??? :neener:
I'd offer to race you to the dyno but with 8 more full days of waiting I don't think I'd win. :cry
Although I wouldn't mind making a day of working on Mustangs. I'll be ordering a shifter and shifter bracket as well as the gears. Since I'm currently garage-less for the next 6-8 weeks I wouldn't mind killing a few hours and making someone else pump my gas before I escape back to PA one of these days. What's your rate?
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At that rate when do you expect to pick up the car??? :neener:
I'd offer to race you to the dyno but with 8 more full days of waiting I don't think I'd win. :cry
Although I wouldn't mind making a day of working on Mustangs. I'll be ordering a shifter and shifter bracket as well as the gears. Since I'm currently garage-less for the next 6-8 weeks I wouldn't mind killing a few hours and making someone else pump my gas before I escape back to PA one of these days. What's your rate?
for you, it'd be pretty cheap.
i'm not sure when i'm gonna manage to get the car, seeing as miller hasn't gotten an answer from the dealer that had it. i'm gonna call koons/sterling in va tomorrow, and see what they have...they said they had a nice gt premium, as i wanted it with a few extras, and i think it was within 500 of what thre one at miller was.
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I foresee a Photoshop project in my future ;)
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Any time I have the choice I refuse to do 'boring' when it comes to personal transportation.
QFT
I've always loved a unique car over performance but, if I can have both....
(http://reinep.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/volvo_780_bertone_front.jpg)
Now if I could only finish my 302 Conversion on it....
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Boxes are not unique :neener:
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Boxes are not unique :neener:
LOL when they are Swedish boxes hand built by Italians in small numbers they are :P
What shocked me was the original window sticker for the car from '88. Nearly 70K!
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QFT
I've always loved a unique car over performance but, if I can have both....
(http://reinep.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/volvo_780_bertone_front.jpg)
Now if I could only finish my 302 Conversion on it....
that car will be king of the sleepers. :aok
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that car will be king of the sleepers. :aok
and his queen :rofl
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LOL when they are Swedish boxes hand built by Italians in small numbers they are :P
What shocked me was the original window sticker for the car from '88. Nearly 70K!
Italians... hmm guess that means the gearbox is hanging all the time.
Seriously hand built means nothing except expense. It still looks like a box. :neener:
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Italians... hmm guess that means the gearbox is hanging all the time.
Seriously hand built means nothing except expense. It still looks like a box. :neener:
i would ratherspend a few extra dollars for hand built quality over computers and machines, helps the economy as a whole. :banana:
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(http://www.firstnews.co.uk/site_data/images/cardboard_box_car_4b6c437f8efb9.jpg)
VIVA Italian craftsmanship :neener:
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(http://www.firstnews.co.uk/site_data/images/cardboard_box_car_4b6c437f8efb9.jpg)
VIVA Italian craftsmanship :neener:
...and hand built to boot. :P
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this was hand built in italy btw ...
(http://www.sportscardigest.com/wp-content/uploads/1965-shelby-cobra-coupe-hi-res.jpg)
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this was hand built in italy btw ...
(http://www.sportscardigest.com/wp-content/uploads/1965-shelby-cobra-coupe-hi-res.jpg)
Just a nit,....
The bodies were manufactured (hand built) in Italy, from the dies made in California (designed by Pete Brock). However, the Italians thought they would modify the first one, to raise the cowl, as they thought it would look better. After Carol chewed them up one side and down the other, they reverted back to the original design.
The reason they had to go to Italy was due to the local shop not having enough resources to build the bodies, and the Italians had more experience with forming aluminum.
Interestingly enough, the raised cowl car was Dan Gurney's favorite as it had more leg and foot room than any other Daytona Coupe made.
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interesting, was the raised cowl one the venice-built 1st car or the 1st modena car?
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ford dealer just called me back......nothing, according to them from va all the way up to mass. they said if i want those exact things, i'd have to order it new.....with the 6-8 week wait.
i told them i'd like the weekend to think about it. what they think, is that i'm gonna call and order it easy. what i meant, was that i need time to see what else i can squeeze outta them. :devil
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6-8 weeks is pretty quick for a factory order :aok
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6-8 weeks is pretty quick for a factory order :aok
yea, i know.....but i was lookin at bein in something nice in a week or so............still gonna try to beat em over the head....maybe for the rear wing, or hood scoop........ :devil
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interesting, was the raised cowl one the venice-built 1st car or the 1st modena car?
modena (CSX2299)
Crap, I did it again. Not Ken Brock, but Pete Brock.
Actually, the Daytona's bodies were all built at "Carrozzeria Gransport", then shipped to Modena.
CSX2287 was also built with the taller cowl, but corrected after Carol raised heck with them. It became the pattern for the remaining 4 coupe bodies built in Italy.
The taller cowled car was the slowest of the Daytona Coupes, but it was the winniest as well. Dan Gurney drove it and had better support (Ford backed) than Ken Miles did (Shelby backed) in his.
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I was wondering if the raised cowl would help with driver comfort in endurance racing, then I realised it was an italian mod, so presumably it just made the daytona look even sexier (if thats possible) :D
edit: CAP sorry for the hijack ;)
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I was wondering if the raised cowl would help with driver comfort in endurance racing, then I realised it was an italian mod, so presumably it just made the daytona look even sexier (if thats possible) :D
edit: CAP sorry for the hijack ;)
It hurt the aerodynamics of the car and decreased the top speed by 11 MPH. It was Dan Gurney's skill that made that car the winner it was.
Yes, let's move this to another thread, if need be.
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I was wondering if the raised cowl would help with driver comfort in endurance racing, then I realised it was an italian mod, so presumably it just made the daytona look even sexier (if thats possible) :D
edit: CAP sorry for the hijack ;)
no apology necessary. good stuff. :aok
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It hurt the aerodynamics of the car and decreased the top speed by 11 MPH. It was Dan Gurney's skill that made that car the winner it was.
Yes, let's move this to another thread, if need be.
I don't know why we should.. I'm loving the car talk and the educational tid bits from people who know more than 'it looks good'. :D
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It hurt the aerodynamics of the car and decreased the top speed by 11 MPH. It was Dan Gurney's skill that made that car the winner it was.
Yes, let's move this to another thread, if need be.
there's no need to move it.........these "channel surfs" are keeping a good clean fun conversation going in here. :aok
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(http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa135/1LTCAP/salespitch.jpg)
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that car will be king of the sleepers. :aok
Weighs less than a mustang too :)
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Weighs less than a mustang too :)
ya know? i was looking at the vin decal on one the other day.......gross weight is 4600 pounds. that's friggin HEAVY. makes it even more amazing that these things can run 12's with only a 5 liter. :aok
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ya know? i was looking at the vin decal on one the other day.......gross weight is 4600 pounds. that's friggin HEAVY. makes it even more amazing that these things can run 12's with only a 5 liter. :aok
Ultimate Sleeper:
(http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii34/JadgTankker/turbowagon.jpg)
VEHICLE TYPE: front-engine, rear-wheel-drive, 5-passenger, 4-door sedan or 5-door wagon
ESTIMATED BASE PRICE: $88,000 (sedan)
ENGINE TYPE: twin-turbocharged and intercooled DOHC 32-valve V-8, aluminum block and heads, direct fuel injection
Displacement: 333 cu in, 5461 cc
Power (SAE net): 518 or 550 hp @ 5750 rpm
Torque (SAE net): 516 or 590 lb-ft @ 1700 or 2000 rpm
TRANSMISSION: 7-speed automatic with manual shifting mode
DIMENSIONS:
Wheelbase: 113.2 in Length: 192.4–193.4 in
Width: 75.9 in Height: 56.8–57.8 in
Curb weight (C/D est): 4200–4300 lb
PERFORMANCE (C/D EST, AMG PERFORMANCE PKG):
Zero to 60 mph: 3.8 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 12.0 sec
Top speed: 186 mph
FUEL ECONOMY (MFR’S EST):
EPA city/highway driving: 14–15/21–22 mpg
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FOR that money, i'd be gettin a gt350. :aok
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FOR that money, i'd be gettin a gt350. :aok
and it would prollie get smoked ....ha ha ha ha lol :D
Look at the tires on that wagon, looks like Z rated vette tires. Talk about gettin the groceries.
The insurance would be cheaper on that wagon than a mustang.......and insurance is what rules this world.
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if i recall, the gt350's a mid to high 11 second car......pulling over 1g on the skid pad, and 0-60 in 3.7 seconds. i don't recall its top speed though.
i don't dislike mercedes......i've found no reasons to dislike them, as i do the audis, and saabs.......but i want AMERICAN performance. when it comes right down to it, nothing tops american performance, and that includes the camaro. :aok :bolt:
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if i recall, the gt350's a mid to high 11 second car......pulling over 1g on the skid pad, and 0-60 in 3.7 seconds. i don't recall its top speed though.
i don't dislike mercedes......i've found no reasons to dislike them, as i do the audis, and saabs.......but i want AMERICAN performance. when it comes right down to it, nothing tops american performance, and that includes the camaro. :aok :bolt:
Those new camaro's and challengers are made in Canadia.
Benz has saftey features that not only put you in better saftey, but get you huge discounts. Insurance companies will over look the turbo because it is standard on their cars.
+ you can haul way more hot women in the estate wagon........ :D
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Those new camaro's and challengers are made in Canadia.
Benz has saftey features that not only put you in better saftey, but get you huge discounts. Insurance companies will over look the turbo because it is standard on their cars.
+ you can haul way more hot women in the estate wagon........ :D
i know. hence the "including the camaro" comment.
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Those new camaro's and challengers are made in Canadia.
Benz has saftey features that not only put you in better saftey, but get you huge discounts. Insurance companies will over look the turbo because it is standard on their cars.
+ you can haul way more hot women in the estate wagon........ :D
if you can find hot women that are into Clark Griswald ;)
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if you can find hot women that are into Clark Griswald ;)
Clark griswald wagon won't smoke a Audi R8 in a 1/4 mile..or do a bad arse burnout. + higher re-sale
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkLATjo6Oyo
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Doesn't matter how fast it goes if the chick feels like you're taking her to the grocery store instead of on a date :neener:
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Clark griswald wagon won't smoke a Audi R8 in a 1/4 mile..or do a bad arse burnout. + higher re-sale
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkLATjo6Oyo
As its hot shoe, Ford brought 2010 Rolex 24hrs Daytona GT class winner Jonathan Bomarito, so we took the opportunity to gather some hard data on what the Boss could really do. Bomarito and the Boss knocked out two hot laps at 1:40.4 and 1:40.2.
How fast is that? Well, we compared those times against a few vehicles from our MRLS lap-time database and were astonished. With a professional racing driver behind the wheel, the 2009 BMW M3 that competed in our 2008 Best Handling competition clocked a 1:42.9. In our 2009 Best Driver's Car competition the 2010 Shelby GT500 lapped in 1:44.3 while a 2010 Audi R8 did it in 1:40.8. This puts the Boss 302 in a very elite field, and it's not the fastest Boss. According to Ford, Bomarito lapped the Boss Laguna Seca under 1 minute and 40 seconds.
Read more: http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/1102_2012_ford_mustang_boss_302_test/viewall.html#ixzz1UvaX5hsx
so we have a 48k car that hammers a 100k+ car. :aok
oh yea....it looks better too. :devil
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Doesn't matter how fast it goes if the chick feels like you're taking her to the grocery store instead of on a date :neener:
It's more than fast, it's a Mercedes-Benz. Drive your hooptie down to the dealer and strap one on....you'll see the difference asap
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It's more than fast, it's a Mercedes-Benz. Drive your hooptie down to the dealer and strap one on....you'll see the difference asap
bolded....that right there is enough reason to not purchase it. :neener:
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bolded....that right there is enough reason to not purchase it. :neener:
You get what you pay for....always remember that fact.
Found On the Road Dead
Ford's electronics in thier vehicles has always been crap, and they have a very low re-sale value. I use to deliver parts to all the ford plants in US. One time I was in Lorain,Ohio at the plant where they made mercury mini vans, it was about 3 A.M. and I asked to be directed to a bathroom. The forklift driver ( who was smoking a joint & asked if i wanted some ) directed me to a brick building in the middle of the plant. Inside they had a 100" screen TV, 2 fridges full of beer and porn playing on the big screen. There was a couple of U.A.W. workers in there on break havin a cold one. Then I watched them head right back into the assembly floor. Made me think real long about all the rumors of fords breaking down.
The only plant that does not have anything like that....is the Louisville,Ky. truck assembly.
Think about that before you purchase a ford...i always do.
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You get what you pay for....always remember that fact.
Found On the Road Dead
Ford's electronics in thier vehicles has always been crap, and they have a very low re-sale value. I use to deliver parts to all the ford plants in US. One time I was in Lorain,Ohio at the plant where they made mercury mini vans, it was about 3 A.M. and I asked to be directed to a bathroom. The forklift driver ( who was smoking a joint & asked if i wanted some ) directed me to a brick building in the middle of the plant. Inside they had a 100" screen TV, 2 fridges full of beer and porn playing on the big screen. There was a couple of U.A.W. workers in there on break havin a cold one. Then I watched them head right back into the assembly floor. Made me think real long about all the rumors of fords breaking down.
The only plant that does not have anything like that....is the Louisville,Ky. truck assembly.
Think about that before you purchase a ford...i always do.
you mean the nissan quest that was badged as a villager?
i bought a brand new 83 5 liter. never had a problem with it, that i didn't cause myself by beating the snot out of it. bought an 89 5 liter in 93 or 94....never had a problem at all with that one till the saturn kissed it on the nose. got my ford e350 with a bazillion miles on the original 351. never a problem with it. my grand pop had his 67 mustang, with never a problem. nor his 71 ranch wagon. nor his 64 galaxy wagon. nor my mom's 65(i think that was what year it was) falcon. nor my brothers 68 galaxy. nor my 64 galaxy.
i'd hafta say fords have been pretty good to me and mine.
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It's more than fast, it's a Mercedes-Benz. Drive your hooptie down to the dealer and strap one on....you'll see the difference asap
I'm busting your b#%#s Todd. :neener:
Don't take me too seriously
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i'm not.........i don't care what people wanna think.
there is no mercedes in the price range of a ford that will outperform it. :devil
if i wanted a "look at me" car, then i'd go for a mercedes or bmw........
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or you could just slap one of these on whatever you drive
(http://rlv.zcache.com/vegetarian_rainbow_bumper_sticker-p128838446756860506trl0_400.jpg)
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Didn't motor trend do a 1:39 in a nissan GTR back in 2009?
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probably..........
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It's more than fast, it's a Mercedes-Benz. Drive your hooptie down to the dealer and strap one on....you'll see the difference asap
for 88k i would rather cough up another 30 or 40 and get me a Ferrari. or, as Cap said, get me a GT350. Benz's are too common, much like a Vette or Porsche.
and all the computers on the new Benz? sickening....
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Benz's are too common, much like a Vette or Porsche.
Porche and corvette while common at a rolex race are not common with american consumers. If you see a lot of Mercedes running around, well then that means there are a lot of smart people around.
And that mustang has a lot of computers as well.
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you mean the nissan quest that was badged as a villager?
i'd hafta say fords have been pretty good to me and mine.
No, they were villagers not nissans.
Chances are that 5.0 was made in my home town, there's a ford engine plant here. Good motor if properly kept up. My second car was a 1991 Ford mustang GT with a paxton supercharger new off the showroom floor. My grandmother worked at the engine plant so I got it on the AtoZ plan. The payment was 399 a month, ha ha ha. Best feeling in the world driving your brand new car off the lot. Your girl friend wrecking that car driving you home from a bar & wrecking said mustang is not a good feeling though....
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No, they were villagers not nissans.
ALL Villagers were Nissan Built and rebadged as Mercs.
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ALL Villagers were Nissan Built and rebadged as Mercs.
And i saw them rolling off a line in Lorain,Ohio at a Ford plant.
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Mercury villager and nissan quest are fords with nissan engines and transmissions.
The nissan quest used a ford key, steering column.......well....everythi ng on the car but the engine, trans, and the engine specific wiring harness........which connected into the ford produced overall vehicle wiring harness.
In other news, a girl runs 1:43s at Laguna Seca in her improved touring integra in which the engine specs. out within stock tolerances and is shod with dot street legal tires.
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ALL Villagers were Nissan Built and rebadged as Mercs.
you beat me to it. i just had one in the shop the other day......and it took me a bit to remember i had to program my scanner for a quest, rather than a villager, in order to read it./
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The nissan quest and mercury villager were made by ford.
If you've ever worked on one, it would be clear.
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i have worked on plenty......and no, they were not fords.
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The nissan quest and mercury villager were made by ford.
If you've ever worked on one, it would be clear.
Todd and yourself seem to be drinking out of the same water fountain.
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Todd and yourself to be drinking out of the same water fountain.
they renamed that fountain. it is a koolaide fountain. :devil
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This one got ur name on it. :devil
(http://images.caricos.com/f/ford/2012_ford_mustang_gt_blue_angels_edition/images/1024x768/2012_ford_mustang_gt_blue_angels_edition_1_1024x768.jpg)
(http://cartoen.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/2012-Ford-Mustang-GT-Blue-Angels-Edition-Rear-Side.jpg)
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This one got ur name on it. :devil
(http://images.caricos.com/f/ford/2012_ford_mustang_gt_blue_angels_edition/images/1024x768/2012_ford_mustang_gt_blue_angels_edition_1_1024x768.jpg)
(http://cartoen.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/2012-Ford-Mustang-GT-Blue-Angels-Edition-Rear-Side.jpg)
if only i had the money to have bidded on that...........<drooling right now>>
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You get what you pay for....always remember that fact.
Found On the Road Dead
Ford's electronics in thier vehicles has always been crap, and they have a very low re-sale value. I use to deliver parts to all the ford plants in US. One time I was in Lorain,Ohio at the plant where they made mercury mini vans, it was about 3 A.M. and I asked to be directed to a bathroom. The forklift driver ( who was smoking a joint & asked if i wanted some ) directed me to a brick building in the middle of the plant. Inside they had a 100" screen TV, 2 fridges full of beer and porn playing on the big screen. There was a couple of U.A.W. workers in there on break havin a cold one. Then I watched them head right back into the assembly floor. Made me think real long about all the rumors of fords breaking down.
The only plant that does not have anything like that....is the Louisville,Ky. truck assembly.
Think about that before you purchase a ford...i always do.
You really do not want to go there.
Mercedes Benz, the car company who gave you a $125,000.00 vehicle which had all the current of the light system running directly through the switch, insuring the switch would burn out in less than 6 months (sometimes catestrophically).
Yep, they did not design in a headlamp relay at all.
Every company has bones in its closet. Anyone stating otherwise is turning a blind eye to it.
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I have owned a couple fords,1 chev a couple hondas and 1 benz. the benz is a W124 or E300 in the US and while it's a nice car to drive on long hiway drives and it can get moving down the road it's not a very practicle car. First it requires preimium fuel,as 6 bucks a gallon and it gets maybe 15 to 20 mpg on the hiway with the cruise on. Then dont even get me started on the cost to maintain it,a cap and rotor will set you back about $150,same thing on either honda about 20 bucks.
My family has owned several benz's infact my parents are still alive because they drive 1,they had a tractortrailor drive over them once and were told if it was any "other" car they would be dead. So I will say they are a robustly built car but thats it,they cost too much,they cost too much to maintain,they cost too much to drive,they cost too much to insure...see where I'm going with this?? The 3 fords I owned were great cars in there own way,rarely failed me.easy to maintain but they didnt hold any value.The hondas have been the best,last 1 I kept for 13 years and would still have it except the cost to replace the fuel and brakelines were more than the car was worth so I traded it on a new 1.
I could likely buy any car I want,well with in reason,a Veyron is outta the question but a Vette or porshe certainly isnt. The problem is that cars just arent very good investments so I'd rather keep my $$$ making $$$ than spend it on a toy I'd only use once a week,or when I'm feeling ok!!!
Still,I'd likely drop a bundle if a 507 came my way............ :devil
:salute
PS: YMMV of course but Benz's used to be great cars,then they started making them like all the others and now they are just like all the others only abit more expensive!
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if i didn't like the mustang so much, and wanted performance, i'd be pm'ing ge like mad for advice on a corvette. to me, they are the only real choices out there, even as good as the challenger, and camaro look..........
there's nothing euro in the price range of the stang that gives you all that the stang does. the only thing i'd consider in the asian market would be a subaru turbo....but again.......the stang has it beat on looks.
if i were rich, and could buy anything i wanted.....it'd still be a vette or a stang. i'd more strongly consider the camaro if gm hadn't "effed" the us with that one.....
vipers, while i love their looks.....i just can't get over that friggin buzzy noise they make.
dam..i wish i could afford the 80-90k for a gt350..........
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i have worked on plenty......and no, they were not fords.
Incorrect.
Here....from ford's own website.
http://media.fordvehicles.com/plant_display.cfm?plant_id=39
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Product History: Econoline E-Series; Mercury Villager, Nissan Quest, Escape, and Mercury Mariner
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villager, and quest. both one and the same, save for some badging.......both quests.
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The vin numbers show what plant they were manufactured.
It wasn't a nissan plant.
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Product History: Econoline E-Series; Mercury Villager, Nissan Quest, Escape, and Mercury Mariner
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villager, and quest. both one and the same, save for some badging.......both quests.
Cap, not sure what your arguing with Icepac for,I think your both saying the same thing... it's a ford.. it's a nissan.. it's both!!! the quest/villager bodies were made by ford,assembled at ford but used nissan drivetrains. Some componets in the drivetrain were fords but the engine assembly/transaxel were nissan's. I mean you could argue that mercury's are rebadged fords too. :rolleyes: Remember the ford probe? a rebadged mazda?? Not exactly it used a ford body and a mazda drivetrain,then there was all those escorts...they ended up with mazda transaxels because the ford transaxels were so porrus that they leaked fluid through the casings.
None of this is new,the car companies have been "platform" sharing for years now,even Caddie used an Opal body.If you add in the auto pact and it's implecations you have american honda's,BMW's and Benz's,not sure if nissan is still building cars here but toyota does too.Infact there is no duty on cars built in NA if you bring them across the border so if built in Canada you can bring to the states with no duty,viceversa, but if it's made in Japan or Europe your looking at 15 to 25% tarif. This is the reason behind the Quest/villager and many other cross platform vehicles to avoid the tarifs,there tarifs drove the price of some cars into to the realm of rediculess. Check out the list price of a 94 supra and you'll understand,they didn't even ship those up here because they dollar difference would have priced it into supercar pricing......
:salute
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Cap, not sure what your arguing with Icepac for,I think your both saying the same thing... it's a ford.. it's a nissan.. it's both!!! the quest/villager bodies were made by ford,assembled at ford but used nissan drivetrains. Some componets in the drivetrain were fords but the engine assembly/transaxel were nissan's. I mean you could argue that mercury's are rebadged fords too. :rolleyes: Remember the ford probe? a rebadged mazda?? Not exactly it used a ford body and a mazda drivetrain,then there was all those escorts...they ended up with mazda transaxels because the ford transaxels were so porrus that they leaked fluid through the casings.
None of this is new,the car companies have been "platform" sharing for years now,even Caddie used an Opal body.If you add in the auto pact and it's implecations you have american honda's,BMW's and Benz's,not sure if nissan is still building cars here but toyota does too.Infact there is no duty on cars built in NA if you bring them across the border so if built in Canada you can bring to the states with no duty,viceversa, but if it's made in Japan or Europe your looking at 15 to 25% tarif. This is the reason behind the Quest/villager and many other cross platform vehicles to avoid the tarifs,there tarifs drove the price of some cars into to the realm of rediculess. Check out the list price of a 94 supra and you'll understand,they didn't even ship those up here because they dollar difference would have priced it into supercar pricing......
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you shoulda heard me go off on the service manager at a local ford dealer, when they wouldn't work on her mazda protege...which we all know is an escort....which she bought at said dealer......and this one had a ford control system in it, although mazda engine i believe.....but since it said mazda on the outside they wouldn't touch it.
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you shoulda heard me go off on the service manager at a local ford dealer, when they wouldn't work on her mazda protege...which we all know is an escort....which she bought at said dealer......and this one had a ford control system in it, although mazda engine i believe.....but since it said mazda on the outside they wouldn't touch it.
Ya got the backwards it's a protege thats' badged as a ford!!!! :neener: :neener: :neener:
I remember telling a dealer princeple that the nice shiney new probe in the showroom was a mazda,he opened the hood and showed me the ford stamping on the valve covers that read FORD and said "No it isn't". I walked away laughing knowing full well it was just a mazda 626 with some ford sidepanels slapped on for looks.
:salute
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you shoulda heard me go off on the service manager at a local ford dealer, when they wouldn't work on her mazda protege...which we all know is an escort....which she bought at said dealer......and this one had a ford control system in it, although mazda engine i believe.....but since it said mazda on the outside they wouldn't touch it.
and why i love my Protege so much. its a Ford built car. :banana: ive only put money into a new (used) engine cause some tool put diesel in my coolant resevoir :headscratch:, i snapped a head stud cause i was goin the cheap route to avoid buying a new head gasket (only a few bucks...), new brakes cause the factory brakes were worn out for good at around 115,000. my clutch is starting to slip, but yet again...thats a maitenance (generally). I havent had to put anything in to other then maitenenace or fixing something i did out of stupidity. Ford has a solid car.
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Ya got the backwards it's a protege thats' badged as a ford!!!! :neener: :neener: :neener:
I remember telling a dealer princeple that the nice shiney new probe in the showroom was a mazda,he opened the hood and showed me the ford stamping on the valve covers that read FORD and said "No it isn't". I walked away laughing knowing full well it was just a mazda 626 with some ford sidepanels slapped on for looks.
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the thing that got me with that one.....it had the cel on. mom's a typical woman with that stuff....she went into panic mode when she saw it. when ford wouldn't touch it, i brought my snap on scanner home, because i don't have any asian software for non-obd2 cars in my otc.....got home, and couldn't find the mazda connector. that would probably be due to the fact i needed the ford2 connector for eec4.
in all honesty, although i wouldn't want to own that car.....it's a 1.8L DOHC, with a 5 speed......god bless mom.....71 and still wants her clutch car!
but anyway......it's a snappy little car....nimble through the turns, or just lane changine, and pretty peppy for a tiny engine.
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and why i love my Protege so much. its a Ford built car. :banana: ive only put money into a new (used) engine cause some tool put diesel in my coolant resevoir :headscratch:, i snapped a head stud cause i was goin the cheap route to avoid buying a new head gasket (only a few bucks...), new brakes cause the factory brakes were worn out for good at around 115,000. my clutch is starting to slip, but yet again...thats a maitenance (generally). I havent had to put anything in to other then maitenenace or fixing something i did out of stupidity. Ford has a solid car.
mom's protege is finally showing some age. she got it with around 60k on the clock. it's showing in the 170's now, and still runs like a top. when i go to visit her and my brother in florida, normally, she comes to get me at the airport.....but she has trouble driving at night.......so i get to drive us back to my brothers.
my niece loves my driving.....she says i drive like daddy. she doesn't know i taught daddy to drive, much to mom's chagrin. :devil i think my driving's good for mom's heart. it always seems to beat a lil faster when she rides in a car with me. i can't figure out why though. :uhoh
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It's here!!!!! I just can't pick it up until Saturday due to work. :bhead
Salesman sent these to my phone today:
(http://i538.photobucket.com/albums/ff345/martinguitarist/GolferCar2.jpg)
(http://i538.photobucket.com/albums/ff345/martinguitarist/GolferCar.jpg)
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It's here!!!!! I just can't pick it up until Saturday due to work. :bhead
Salesman sent these to my phone today:
(http://i538.photobucket.com/albums/ff345/martinguitarist/GolferCar2.jpg)
(http://i538.photobucket.com/albums/ff345/martinguitarist/GolferCar.jpg)
saaaaweet!!
i like that grille a LOT
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Congrats Golfer! That is a very nice looking Mustang!
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Sweet Golfer!!! Saturday can't come soon enough right?
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THAT PIC SETTLED IT. if i'm not finding one on the lot.....kona blue. :aok
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Sweet Golfer!!! Saturday can't come soon enough right?
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UGH! Nope! I'd stopped into the dealership yesterday to make sure we had our ducks in a row for everything. Insurance squared away, incentive details, interest rate on the amount I'll be financing and such. They were expecting it on Thursday still which was fine. When I received a call from them today I was slightly annoyed because I hadn't locked up which insurance company I'd be using for this car yet and I'd get back to him when I had. When he said the car was in I about jumped through the roof and can hardly remember the last time I was so excited about something. I'm thrilled, the extra surprise that it's in early is even better and the fact that I told a car company "build this" and they did was even better. I'm truly excited and I will be a happy camper come saturday.
Thanks Skuzzy, Dicho, Cap. Yaaay! :banana: (Sorry for stealing your thread again, CAP)
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2012 ford mustang. the only slow part is the fuel gauge. :aok
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I drove the new one in to work today. It was fun :D
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Mmm hmm...
:)
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Very nice Golfer :aok
I even like the color,sort of,not a fan of "blue" cars,especially blue with white stripes......... Ya Skuzzy thats directed at you.. :rofl :rofl :rofl
Of course I kid..... have fun with the new car Golfer,but mind those tickets...... :x
:salute
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they'd be easy to get if you're not paying attention Morf. I had some slow boat get in front of me this morning so changed lanes as I sped up, it dropped into passing gear and the rest is history :devil fortunately there were no LEO's handy at the time.
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What you gonna do about that scratch on the door Golfer?? :confused:
Lol :devil
No, jokes aside.. The car looks GREAT Golfer! :cheers: Congrats! :aok :salute
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they'd be easy to get if you're not paying attention Morf. I had some slow boat get in front of me this morning so changed lanes as I sped up, it dropped into passing gear and the rest is history :devil fortunately there were no LEO's handy at the time.
Me too but the slow boat was a Z06 and he didn't move over until 170.
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ummm... bravo?
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mannn////and all i did was play chicken with some canada geese tonight.
they moved. :devil
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ummm... bravo?
No bravo.
It just put down 697hp on the dyno a few minutes earlier and will be one of the cars we will be taking to NASA to run on the runway.
It should do around 190 in the standing mile.
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wow!! then my 820 hp camaro should go what? plaid? :noid :joystick:
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probably about 140
With the proper gearing for a standing mile......about 170.............unless you have 6 speeds.
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sheesh...........some people don't get sarcasm...........
she'll top 140 in the 1/4. with re-gearing, and some other safety mods, i'm sure she'd do much better in a mile.........but that's besides the point, as i'm bnot gonna be her owner too much longer, if things go right.
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oh wait you were being sarcastic?
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Well I ended up home and actually drove it today. My salesman is off today, I leave tomorrow until Friday night with rain forecast and that's one more payday and another chunk to put down so it's all for the best. It was nice to get a fix driving it for a few miles...I am one happy camper! :x
I'm much more content now though Saturday can't come soon enough! :)
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those pics show the color so much better Golfer... congrats dude.. very happy for ya <S>
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that's what i'm doing right now. every spare nickel is getting hoaded away, for this car. i figure the more i can put down, the easier those payments will be to swallow.
and friggn gorgeous car sir!
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so the dealer in va got back to me today. they worked miracles with the pricing....got me down to a very excellent price, for the car they were pricing me out at....but even with 10k down, the best payment they could get me was higher than i'm comfortable with.
so i called the local dealer again, and was talking to them. i'm gonna go in to talk with them tomorrow night again. they've already got me approved, so it should be rather easy.
one of the things i was talking about though, was the "looks" options versus the "functional" options. i like the rear wing, and the front air dam on these cars. it wakes em up, and kinda takes me back to the 60's cars. but i can't afford to put the "looks" options on, and the functional ones too. dam that common sense talking sales dood.
in talking to him, i'll be pricing it out with the good brake package(which comes with a more aggressive suspension tune). that by itself costs about as much as it would for me to add the wing, air dam, and a scoop...all of which do nothing but add weight. i had explained to him, that this car would eventually see either the road course at milleville nj, or some autocross action, although the main usage would be street driving. that's where the common sense came in.
when i told him i was thinking of the standard brake package, and then bank on the fact that i may not be as good of a driver as i like to think i am, thus i should never manage to fade the brakes, or overheat them.....he comes back with "but do you really want to take that chance? i'd think you'd be better off with too much brake ability, and not need it, rather than find out the hard way(when you go off the track) that you didn't have enough when you did need it."
that pretty much sold me, 'cause it made me think of all the analogies we use flying(golfer i'm sure knows a ton!). so it appears as if i'm gonna look into a rather plain looking car for the time being, but with major coolness inside, and major performance abilities compared to the more standard gt's.
in a way, plain on the outside is better.....sleeper. :devil
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Cap I actually prefer the plain on the outside look.
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Cap I actually prefer the plain on the outside look.
i'm kinda thinking that too........more of a "clean" look.
after seeing golfers pics......DEFINITELY KONA BLUE.
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Told you that was a beautiful color. It was my second choice behind black.
Now hurry up and buy the dam thing :)
P38's in AVA tonight by the way
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If you're going to order, order fast if you can. The sales guy at my dealership today said he tried to put in a Kona Blue order yesterday and they wouldn't accept it. The tsunami knocked out the plant that made the metallic flake pigment used in automotive paint and Red Candy and Lava Red were both whacked as were Tuxedo Black. He did say that the Red Candy would be coming back at some point but wasn't able to get a Kona order in.
I'll be heading up to Englishtown on Saturday if you want to carpool up, Cap. I'll be up there for the doubleheader Corvette Challenge race taking some photos and don't mind an extra mile or three added to the car. Maybe talk Camaro with my coworkers racing team ;)
There are quite a few sitting around on lots but they're hard to find. Sit down with your dealer to locate the sucker that you might want in their system and you might have to chase it down a bit. The Brembo brake package they put on the GT's are worth it in the tires alone! The wheels, suspension upgrade, PCM computer changes, tires and brakes/rotors are a huge value for money with that package. When I was considering a GT coupe it was a "must have" on the list for sure. The stock brakes aren't any slouch especially if you're wanting to run in a straight line and the rest of the stuff doesn't matter except make for a stiffer ride but I'd intended autocross and road course track days. Actually I intend that on my little sixer anyway. I'm restricted to track days with various auto clubs because I have no intention to put in a roll bar in my little six banger.
Hope you can swing the deal you want man. I'm excited for you now that I'm done being excited for me. :x
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one of the things i was talking about though, was the "looks" options versus the "functional" options. i like the rear wing, and the front air dam on these cars. it wakes em up, and kinda takes me back to the 60's cars. but i can't afford to put the "looks" options on, and the functional ones too.
I reckon do your deal with the mechanical stuff - it doesnt cost them much to swap over parts for a factory order, and will cost you plenty to do the work later. LSD/brakes/whatever options you want. the cosmetic stuff you can get fitted later if you want it. remember you're going to be driving it, not watching you drive it ;)
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Told you that was a beautiful color. It was my second choice behind black.
Now hurry up and buy the dam thing :)
P38's in AVA tonight by the way
it's 1230....just got in from a staff meeting at my part time job.........dam.......i coulda been a good target for yas. :devil
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If you're going to order, order fast if you can. The sales guy at my dealership today said he tried to put in a Kona Blue order yesterday and they wouldn't accept it. The tsunami knocked out the plant that made the metallic flake pigment used in automotive paint and Red Candy and Lava Red were both whacked as were Tuxedo Black. He did say that the Red Candy would be coming back at some point but wasn't able to get a Kona order in.
I'll be heading up to Englishtown on Saturday if you want to carpool up, Cap. I'll be up there for the doubleheader Corvette Challenge race taking some photos and don't mind an extra mile or three added to the car. Maybe talk Camaro with my coworkers racing team ;)
There are quite a few sitting around on lots but they're hard to find. Sit down with your dealer to locate the sucker that you might want in their system and you might have to chase it down a bit. The Brembo brake package they put on the GT's are worth it in the tires alone! The wheels, suspension upgrade, PCM computer changes, tires and brakes/rotors are a huge value for money with that package. When I was considering a GT coupe it was a "must have" on the list for sure. The stock brakes aren't any slouch especially if you're wanting to run in a straight line and the rest of the stuff doesn't matter except make for a stiffer ride but I'd intended autocross and road course track days. Actually I intend that on my little sixer anyway. I'm restricted to track days with various auto clubs because I have no intention to put in a roll bar in my little six banger.
Hope you can swing the deal you want man. I'm excited for you now that I'm done being excited for me. :x
im' gonna call em first thing in the am. the problem is my point of contact is off tomorrow. if i can't get that blue, i got no problem with black, as.....well.....you can't go wrong with a hot black car. :aok
i gotta work till at least 3 on saturday.....probably be putting the cylinder head back on the crv.
good point, about the suspension tuning, ecm, and other changes....for me to add that crap after the fact will cost me far and above the 1600 they option it for......hell...just the wheels and tires would top that. besides....there's a 2009 i pass every day on the way to work....he's got the shelby scoops on his 1/4 windows....gonna stop and ask him where i think.
black on black, go fast, stop fast, turn fast....the only slow part is the fuel gauge. :devil
as for the rollbar......i think ford makes some very nice ones that are pretty well integrated into the system, and shouldn't interfere with the roof?
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if anyone's interested......
http://www.blueovalforums.com/forums/
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FINALLY! They're both home! Sort of, until I move next month to a new one.
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I have to say that ordering and waiting for a car you want is much more romantic than the paperwork nightmare of actually buying the darn thing. By the time it was done I wasn't even happy anymore I was just tired from going over with a fine tooth comb every little detail and making sure the price was where it was supposed to be.
That said...
YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAY!!!!
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:D and a whole weekend to enjoy it :)
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This is my baby! Won best of class couple weds. ago.
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(http://i695.photobucket.com/albums/vv313/Hajo_01/Phantoms.jpg)
(http://i695.photobucket.com/albums/vv313/Hajo_01/Hood2.jpg)
Since owning the car....added, Corsa Exhaust, American Racing Wheels, Petty Garage Strut Tower Brace
INJEN Power Flow Intake System, R/T Mats and Trunk Carpet, 3GCustomz stamped and chromed engine half covers,
and what I consider the most useful mod along with the BT stuff a BT Catch Can. You wouldn't believe how much oil and oil vapor that thing keeps from getting
into the intake.
Shuff has seen this already. He's a member of the Flying Circus Boards. I just had to post picks of the most popular muscle car by consensus ya know...it hadda be a MOPAR. :aok
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I like everything but the wheels :aok
I really do like the Challenger's lines, it's a sexy machine.
I put a hundred miles on the Mustang tonight. Reacquainting myself with how to drive a stick, rev match on downshifts and getting a general feel for the car. Found a few inclines to do hill starts, drove to/from work a couple times which involves a hill start on a left turn and really started to feel comfortable in the car. Didn't even need the hand brake when I got back to my place on the hilly stop signs I went out of my way to be sure my route took me on.
I'm a very happy camper right now :D
Oh I almost forgot. 3 hours into owning the thing a big thunderstorm was coming through and I found myself in a parking lot being pelted by hail stones. :bhead Fortunately they were very small roughly BB sized and didn't do any damage. Still, it's the principal of the thing. :bhead :bhead :bhead
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Golfer what a coincidence! I was otw to a Cruise tonight when a Severe Thunderstorm popped up!
Rained so hard we were doing 30mph on the freeway! Then.....all of a sudden I heard hail and saw it on the
hood. Fortunately it was small and didn't fall very long. I got home...put the R/T in the garage and dried
her off. No damage. That is the first time I had to use the wipers. Took me 5 seconds to find the control! :rofl
Golfer....if you're serious about appearance products let me know.....I know the best to use....even window cleaner.
The show guys gave me tips and products that are considered best in the business. They are no more costly then off
the shelf stuff.
Congrats on the new addition! And get a catch can for that Mustang! Don't gum up the intake.
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I'm all ears on recommendations for things like that. I haven't had a vehicle I've really intended on taking care of. I had a couple of ho hum cars from 16-22 and have driven a pair of Silverado's since so vehicle appearance hasn't ever been a major consideration outside of the occasional drive through gentle touch car wash.
I'd like to do better than that for this car, at least make the effort. Anything you have to suggest I'd like to hear.
(did I mention, nice car?!)
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I'm all ears on recommendations for things like that. I haven't had a vehicle I've really intended on taking care of. I had a couple of ho hum cars from 16-22 and have driven a pair of Silverado's since so vehicle appearance hasn't ever been a major consideration outside of the occasional drive through gentle touch car wash.
I'd like to do better than that for this car, at least make the effort. Anything you have to suggest I'd like to hear.
(did I mention, nice car?!)
Thank you! And congrats on the Mustang again....shes' a looker.
I'll post some links below for you. Consensus Adams Glass Cleaner the best in the world. No streaks and helluva shine.
USE ONLY MICROFIBER TOWELS to dry and polish your new Mustang. Available at all auto parts stores.
Polish Zaino #2 followed by Zaino #6. Adams detail spray and Adams waterless car wash.
http://www.adamspolishes.com/
http://www.zainostore.com/
http://www.griotsgarage.com/
All three make the best quality car care products available.
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I like everything but the wheels :aok
I really do like the Challenger's lines, it's a sexy machine.
I put a hundred miles on the Mustang tonight. Reacquainting myself with how to drive a stick, rev match on downshifts and getting a general feel for the car. Found a few inclines to do hill starts, drove to/from work a couple times which involves a hill start on a left turn and really started to feel comfortable in the car. Didn't even need the hand brake when I got back to my place on the hilly stop signs I went out of my way to be sure my route took me on.
I'm a very happy camper right now :D
Oh I almost forgot. 3 hours into owning the thing a big thunderstorm was coming through and I found myself in a parking lot being pelted by hail stones. :bhead Fortunately they were very small roughly BB sized and didn't do any damage. Still, it's the principal of the thing. :bhead :bhead :bhead
you start heel/toe;ing yet? :devil
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Golfer what a coincidence! I was otw to a Cruise tonight when a Severe Thunderstorm popped up!
Rained so hard we were doing 30mph on the freeway! Then.....all of a sudden I heard hail and saw it on the
hood. Fortunately it was small and didn't fall very long. I got home...put the R/T in the garage and dried
her off. No damage. That is the first time I had to use the wipers. Took me 5 seconds to find the control! :rofl
Golfer....if you're serious about appearance products let me know.....I know the best to use....even window cleaner.
The show guys gave me tips and products that are considered best in the business. They are no more costly then off
the shelf stuff.
Congrats on the new addition! And get a catch can for that Mustang! Don't gum up the intake.
fords don't need catch cans........ :neener:
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Thank you! And congrats on the Mustang again....shes' a looker.
I'll post some links below for you. Consensus Adams Glass Cleaner the best in the world. No streaks and helluva shine.
USE ONLY MICROFIBER TOWELS to dry and polish your new Mustang. Available at all auto parts stores.
Polish Zaino #2 followed by Zaino #6. Adams detail spray and Adams waterless car wash.
http://www.adamspolishes.com/
http://www.zainostore.com/
http://www.griotsgarage.com/
All three make the best quality car care products available.
saved and printed Hajo :) gracias
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Golfer....if you're serious about appearance products let me know.....I know the best to use....even window cleaner.
The show guys gave me tips and products that are considered best in the business. They are no more costly then off
the shelf stuff.
I use this:
http://www.griotsgarage.com/product/car+care/car+care+kits/starter+car+care+kit.do (http://www.griotsgarage.com/product/car+care/car+care+kits/starter+car+care+kit.do)
http://www.griotsgarage.com/product/car+care/wheels+%26+tires/wheel+tire+cleaners/rubber+cleaner%2C+35+ounces.do (http://www.griotsgarage.com/product/car+care/wheels+%26+tires/wheel+tire+cleaners/rubber+cleaner%2C+35+ounces.do)
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this
http://www.invisibleglass.com/ (http://www.invisibleglass.com/)
No better combination and I have tried them all. From Meguiar's, 3M, Zymol (not the store bought stuff), Classic, Zaino's and several others. The only other one I might "test" is Klasse. But my next step is to get an orbital and get even more out of it.
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this is getting good now.......when i finally get mine......i'll have info on how to keep her looking new.
thanks guys!!!!
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Cap damnit! Get a Shelby! Contrary to popular belief even though I'm MOPAR I think the new Mustang and Camaro are great!
This stuff would not have happened if Lee Iaccoca hadn't designed the Mustang.
Best gett'em while they are available. The Govt. is already stepping in as it did in the early 70s' (I was there)
Muscle again sadly will not be produced. Keep what ya have if you have muscle already!
Also gents I can get you a list of great vendors who will get you mods at fine prices.
You can deal over the NET, or by phone which I prefer to do.
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I use this:
http://www.griotsgarage.com/product/car+care/car+care+kits/starter+car+care+kit.do (http://www.griotsgarage.com/product/car+care/car+care+kits/starter+car+care+kit.do)
http://www.griotsgarage.com/product/car+care/wheels+%26+tires/wheel+tire+cleaners/rubber+cleaner%2C+35+ounces.do (http://www.griotsgarage.com/product/car+care/wheels+%26+tires/wheel+tire+cleaners/rubber+cleaner%2C+35+ounces.do)
&
this
http://www.invisibleglass.com/ (http://www.invisibleglass.com/)
No better combination and I have tried them all. From Meguiar's, 3M, Zymol (not the store bought stuff), Classic, Zaino's and several others. The only other one I might "test" is Klasse. But my next step is to get an orbital and get even more out of it.
Jay I use a Combo of all 3. I've tried them all and use what I think are the best of the bunch. I also use Meguiars quick detail for the interior and Meguiars Gold for car wash.
Also Jay methinks before using an orbital buffer you may consider using a clay bar first to lift the dirt from the paint instead of swirling the lifted dirt around on the buffer pad and making swirl marks.
In all cases MICROFIBER towels and Pads are the only way to go!
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Cap damnit! Get a Shelby! Contrary to popular belief even though I'm MOPAR I think the new Mustang and Camaro are great!
This stuff would not have happened if Lee Iaccoca hadn't designed the Mustang.
Best gett'em while they are available. The Govt. is already stepping in as it did in the early 70s' (I was there)
Muscle again sadly will not be produced. Keep what ya have if you have muscle already!
Also gents I can get you a list of great vendors who will get you mods at fine prices.
You can deal over the NET, or by phone which I prefer to do.
stayin away from the shelbys only because i've never liked the 5.4 liter engine.
just hung up with a dealer in va, that seems to be getting me a good price on a pretty loaded gt though.....and under 500/month.
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stayin away from the shelbys only because i've never liked the 5.4 liter engine.
just hung up with a dealer in va, that seems to be getting me a good price on a pretty loaded gt though.....and under 500/month.
Hope you can swing it....the GTS are as we said in the 60's "Tough".
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Jay I use a Combo of all 3. I've tried them all and use what I think are the best of the bunch. I also use Meguiars quick detail for the interior and Meguiars Gold for car wash.
Also Jay methinks before using an orbital buffer you may consider using a clay bar first to lift the dirt from the paint instead of swirling the lifted dirt around on the buffer pad and making swirl marks.
In all cases MICROFIBER towels and Pads are the only way to go!
I have the griot's clay bar. The speed shine product is great. I keep an 8 ounce sprayer in my glove box for birdsh*t removal.
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What is it with birds and stangs? I frequently see birds flying upside down over Camaros? :devil
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Hope you can swing it....the GTS are as we said in the 60's "Tough".
tough? hell yea. for the cost, there's nothing in their price range that'll touch em. :aok
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What is it with birds and stangs? I frequently see birds flying upside down over Camaros? :devil
dood./.......every black colored vehicle i've ever owned seems to be primary target for stuka-pigeons, and lanc-birds. always pissed me off, when i'd just finish washing, and drying my car....go inside for a few minutes, get somethign to drink, come out to wax....and there's poop on my car.
it never seemed to happen to my red geo, or my blue taurus........just the black cars i've owned, including my dakota. :bhead
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that's what shotguns and tree snakes are for ya heyah?
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Have some new data but was unable to post from the phone the last couple of days.
Suffice to say that a challenger with 200 less hp than a 700hp brand new camaro goes just as fast, if not faster in the standing mile.
Also.....A F104 taking off and buzzing you is an amazing experience.
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that's what shotguns and tree snakes are for ya heyah?
well, here;s part of what i get to deal with.
my shop.....i rent the building, at a gas station. in new jersey, that's the best way, unless you can afford to build something brand new on virgin land, thanks to the dep, epa, and probably a couple other alphabet agencies.
the property is owned by indians. he has sikh's(i think.....they're the ones that wear turbans, and are disgustingly nice) pumping the gas for him.
they don't like chasing or killing anything it seems. they feed the birds, on the side of the building. most of the birds that come are those british starlings(i think that's what they're called). these things now live in the soffet of the building, near the building perimeter lights.
they poop on friggin anything black. nothing it seems of any other color. hell, i just yesterday, parked a customers s-10(tan) where i normally park my dakota. not a dam thing on it. yet my dakota, or my jeep parked there, look like they were attacked by the pigeons in high anxiety. :bhead
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that's what radiator fluid is good for... :) call it a 'bird bath' :devil
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Cap damnit! Get a Shelby! Contrary to popular belief even though I'm MOPAR I think the new Mustang and Camaro are great!
This stuff would not have happened if Lee Iaccoca hadn't designed the Mustang.
Best gett'em while they are available. The Govt. is already stepping in as it did in the early 70s' (I was there)
Muscle again sadly will not be produced. Keep what ya have if you have muscle already!
Also gents I can get you a list of great vendors who will get you mods at fine prices.
You can deal over the NET, or by phone which I prefer to do.
i'm keeping my fairmont, although i feel i should sell it. mostly, 'cause i think it's unique, with a fuel injected 5 liter. and that lope at idle.........
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that's what radiator fluid is good for... :) call it a 'bird bath' :devil
ya know? i want sooooo bad to be rid of the dam things. i had honestly thought of poisoning the water that those guys put out there for those annoying little birds.
for some reason, my conscience keeps me from doing that though. canada geese......i got no problem shooting them, as mentioned in another thread, as i have a neighbor that'll clean n cook em, so it's no waste........can't do that with those leeeetle birdies though.
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see that c word thing is what we've got to work on getting rid of.
They POOP on YOUR CAR.... and do so deliberately. That's an act of aggression that needs a strong response. :)
I'll come up there and handle it for ya :)
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see that c word thing is what we've got to work on getting rid of.
They POOP on YOUR CAR.... and do so deliberately. That's an act of aggression that needs a strong response. :)
I'll come up there and handle it for ya :)
wellll....if i were to come out of work, and find they pooped on my new stang............all bets are offf.
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Golfer: Damn fine lookin auto-mobile :)
Just hangin out in the woods :)
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On car care: I useda think I knew how to wash a car, till I got a black one . LOL.
On the up side, it's an exercise program better than any Bowflex ..if you don't clean a black car every 2-3 days they really show the dust.
And you learn to *clean* them for a fact :)
Stuff I have learned to use:
2 big fluffy microfibre towels .. one for gettin the dirt off, the other for buffin.
A stack o small microfibre towels for rims, tires, ..keep them seperated.
2 big bottles of Meguire's detail spray .. the red for initial dust removal, the black for buffin.
Meguiar's ultimate polish for swirly removals, ultimate wax for ..well .. waxin.
Meguiar's Scratch 20 for the occasional scratch that shows up.
Invisible glass for ..well .. the glass.
Meguiar's Hot Rims All Wheel Polish for the rims.
I have somethin I use to wipe down the tires also from Meguiar's .. cant locate it atm, may be out in the car :)
A stool to sit on while doin the wheels/tires.
Meguiar's natural shine wipes for the interior.
I try to clean the car up every 3 days or so .. been a week now tho, it's just been too damn hot outside and it's covered in dust .. oohhh the humanity!
I useda use Adam's ..it really does work well .. but so does Meguiar's and I can get all I need at Wal Mart :)
Tip on washin yer microfibre .. dont toss em in the washin machine.
The softener the wife uses is like an oily film and impossible to get out.. even if 'bounce' isn't used for this one wash, the oily film is there.
It will streak badly and not wipe clean ever again.
Use lukewarm water in a clean sink or just hose em out when done.. works fine.
On windshield cleanin, tuff to beat newspaper ..the lead used in printing makes the glass shine up nicely and it's easy to stuff into hard to reach places and clean em out.
If it streaks, it's not clean yet. Squirt some more Invisible Glass on it and wipe it again :)
-Frank aka GE
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Claybar about twice a year. :D
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I would also avoid using any of Meguiars Cleaner wax products. Long term use will damage paints, especially those on urethane materials.
For black, Wolfgang products are probably the best there is and easy to use. For hot weather it is a bit of a waste of time to use any type of carnuba wax as it will burn off in days leaving the paint exposed to the harsh elements. A poly sealer is the best way to go and will last around 6 months, or so.
Meguiar makes some fine products. The claybar is one of the best and the quick detailer is top notch. The vinyl and rubber cleaner is also good. The 'natural shine' for rubber is awesome. Use it on the sidewalls of the tires as well.
For any dark color or clear coat, I would use Wolfgang's Paint Enhancer, Finishing Glaze, and Sealer products. It gives a really deep look to the paint and shines as well as the finest carnuba wax products.
Every detailer has their favorites.
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Looks like I'm going to have to turn Squid loose with some microfibers and aforementioned products. A solid work out won't hurt him :lol
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Maintaining a finish is a completely different process than restoring one that has not been properly maintained.
Many people use the same process they use for restoring a finish to maintaining a finish which results in unneeded wear on the finish.
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Maintaining a finish is a completely different process than restoring one that has not been properly maintained.
Many people use the same process they use for restoring a finish to maintaining a finish which results in unneeded wear on the finish.
This is very true.
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Maintaining a finish is a completely different process than restoring one that has not been properly maintained.
Many people use the same process they use for restoring a finish to maintaining a finish which results in unneeded wear on the finish.
Absolutely true. With that, the Wolfgang products and process I talked about are not for restoring paint. It is strictly for maintaining paint in good shape.
I have a completely different regimen and product for restoration purposes.
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I agree with you Skuzzy,using a poly sealer is the way to go!
A few years back I had the pleasure to work on a hudson hornet,during storage it developed "blanket" marks in the paint and the owner asked if I could "fix" it. I used mostly 3M products and spent several hours hand rubbing the metalic green hornet,I wouldnt dare use a machine for fear of destroying the finish.
When it was done I put a polysealer,once a year type,that dealers charge big bucks for! The hudson owner was very pleased with the results,if wasnt perfect,I would have removed too much paint to "fix" it but was only visible under indoor lighting. The paint was factory and he just didnt want to have it sprayed.
Best part was I got to drive the hornet,what a beast!
:salute
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I agree with you Skuzzy,using a poly sealer is the way to go!
A few years back I had the pleasure to work on a hudson hornet,during storage it developed "blanket" marks in the paint and the owner asked if I could "fix" it. I used mostly 3M products and spent several hours hand rubbing the metalic green hornet,I wouldnt dare use a machine for fear of destroying the finish.
When it was done I put a polysealer,once a year type,that dealers charge big bucks for! The hudson owner was very pleased with the results,if wasnt perfect,I would have removed too much paint to "fix" it but was only visible under indoor lighting. The paint was factory and he just didnt want to have it sprayed.
Best part was I got to drive the hornet,what a beast!
:salute
ya know? there;s TWO hudsons parked over on east linden ave.....they're just parked there. they look complete, but in need of restoration.
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car is ordered. i kept it simple.....after going between about a half dozen dealers. there was one in va, that worked their arses off, trying to help me, but the cars they had weren't just what i wanted.
there were 3 local dealers that contacted me after i submitted some info from edmunds.com. i chose miller, because, although they all sent me a sort of "auto response" email, as i did it late at night, they were the only ones that 1) found what i wanted, not what they had on their lot, 2) sent me what appeared to be a personal email concerning the car i wanted.
the other 2 dealers tried showing me what they had, which wasn't close to what i wanted('cept it was still a mustang). miller had one that was exactly what i sent info looking for....unfortunatley, it got sold before we got my financing approved. sooooo........i'm now ordering. the good side, is that mine will be the very first "non-ford" arse in the drivers seat. :devil
changed my mind back to black(can't go wrong with black......and you know the other saying :devil ), with black leather interior, comfort group(for the heated seats), and the brembo brake package.
i didn't put any extras on her in the "looks" catagory, as these cars look kick-arse just as they are. also, with this brake package, come(in all obviousness) much larger rotors......14" front rotors, with 4 piston(i think) calipers, 19" wheels(18" are standard) with 255/40 19's, different suspension tune. just to buy the calipers would cost me as much as the entire package. and of course, i got the 3.73 limited slip diff......can't have a GT without that.
when i get ready, it'll be stupidly easy to change her looks, with all the stuff out there.
something i thought was pretty cool(and dicho, and golfer may be interested in this), was that i asked if the sync system comes with its own manual. the sales manager said he thought it does. he also informed me that they(miller ford) hold seminars once a month just for this system. i thought that was pretty cool, and would bet other dealers do it too.
so now, i get to start that agonizing wait, wondering when my car's gonna get here.
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i almost forgot.......i got to see a "fail" while i was there.
there was this couple sitting at one of the tables in the showroom, who had apparently already test driven what they wanted. they were looking at a super duty. basically a $50k truck.
every so often their voices would go up then they'd start talking normally again. i think they thought they had a done deal, as one of the sales managers had the keys to the truck they were trading in. it was an 04 f250 diesel, with 156k miles. not many really for the engine...but the rest of the truck.....
anyway, it appears that the sticking point, was that they wanted the dealer to come down to $40k for their truck, and give them $16k for the trade in.
voices went up again, and dood walked out, shouting how he'd never come back, blablabla...........
the sales manager came over to me and apologized for having to hear/see that when they left. i asked him if i could get another discount on the stang for it. he said no. :cry so i said....it's ok, i needed a laugh, and mr toughguy just gave it to me. then i mumbled something to the effect of thanking god i'm not that much of a jackwagon anymore. :bolt:
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The Sync system does in fact have it's own manual. I may end up going to a class of there if that's the case anyway since I am just scratching the surface in capabilities. (1000 miles ticked over today)
When I'm home Saturday I'll have 1750-2000. In 8 days. :)
If I was more brave and wanted to run the tank below 1/4 I could have made it from West Chester to Columbus on one tank of fuel. Stopped in Wheeling, WV with over 1/4 remaining, put 10.2 gallons in and ended up at my parents house with just over 3/4 remaining. 29.66 MPG for the trip. Allegedly doing 75-80.
I love this thing at the gas pump. Hell of a lot nicer than my truck which hasn't seen a <$70 fill up in about a year.
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And congratulations!
I think I speak for us all when I say it's about time!
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CAP
Congrats on finally making the order. No point spending that much money on a car you're not completely satisfied with. I think you'll be super happy with what you got, especially since you went with the brake package and skipped the appearance stuff. Substance over style any day, IMHO, doubly so if you plan on taking it to the track. The current GTs are finally the first "stock" mass production models that could hang with the last f-body edition, and it's about damn time :) My trans-am would get 30 mpg at 70, and that was with the detuned LS-1 back in 1998. The only gripe I have with the current stangs is that they still look a bit chunky to me. After only 2 years living in the UK, the American muscle cars all look a bit overweight no matter how aggressive the styling gets. I see a mustang or any of the other current gen cars pull up, and I instinctively expect the guy who gets out to be 30-40 lbs overweight. I didn't think that way until I spent that time in the UK, but after that I just can't help but see why Euros consider americans lazy and fat. Even our cars look fat, but we don't realize it until we have something else to compare them with.
Still, the mustang is the best of the bunch right now. The camaro shares the same weakness as the dodges, namely the tiny slit windows. I'm not a gangster dammit, and I don't have my seat reclined so just my eyes peer out over the sill (and under the top curve of the steering wheel). The old f-bodies were ripped for being hard to see out of when compared to the mustangs, but my old firebird feels like a glass walled atrium compared to the camaro and dodges. The mustang wins that styling battle hands-down in my book, for both avoiding the retarded wanna-be gangsta look and keeping functional visibility part of the styling. Now just slim it down a bit so it doesn't look like it's been swilling so much beer/pizza, and it'll get back on my mid-life crisis list of stuff to buy when the kids move out. Right now the midlife crisis car of choice is the corvette, mostly because it doesn't look overweight.
Oh yea... I'd have gone for the blue :) Black is safe but a bit too popular for me. Chase-me-red or a nifty deep blue are my preferences. If I ever decided to really go all-out modifying a car for high performance I'd consider yellow with black details but for daily driving a high performance car, red or blue stand out just enough that I never stand in front of someone else's car wondering why my remote isn't working :confused:
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The Sync system does in fact have it's own manual. I may end up going to a class of there if that's the case anyway since I am just scratching the surface in capabilities. (1000 miles ticked over today)
When I'm home Saturday I'll have 1750-2000. In 8 days. :)
If I was more brave and wanted to run the tank below 1/4 I could have made it from West Chester to Columbus on one tank of fuel. Stopped in Wheeling, WV with over 1/4 remaining, put 10.2 gallons in and ended up at my parents house with just over 3/4 remaining. 29.66 MPG for the trip. Allegedly doing 75-80.
I love this thing at the gas pump. Hell of a lot nicer than my truck which hasn't seen a <$70 fill up in about a year.
if you're getting that now, it should only go up, as the engine breaks in. :aok
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WTG Shirley!!!
You'll effing love the Synch system even though at first it will make you want to pull your hair out by the roots. It freaked me out once because the salesman hooked my cell phone to it showing me some of the features and I had a call come in that, when I clicked my bluetooth to accept, it immediately went to the car sound system. Now I just think it's cool. Something they don't touch on and I don't know if you use a tooth or not. If you get somewhere but haven't finished your call just tell the other party to hold on, shut the car off, and it will revert right back to your phone or your tooth. Convenient as heck. The ability to plug in a usb or stream music from your phone is really handy as well. But like Golfer said I've barely scratched the surface of the capabilities of the system.
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My daughter's camaro has the Connect Package. If your anywhere near your car or truck and the key is on... phone calls will go to the vehicle. It is not an issue once you realize you need to turn off the vehicle when you exit.
The connect package also allow iPods, USB thumb drives and devices to be controlled by your buttons on the steering wheel and through the stereo. Nice feature.
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ya/...it's pretty amazing what the newer cars can do..........
ge......believe it or not, i had the sales manager "facepalming" last night, 'cause i must've changed my mind a half dozen times on the color. the main reason i went back to black, is that although it is more common than that gorgeous blue, it will never ever be a problem to get. plus.......look at that picture you posted of your vette...the last one. you gotta admit. that same picture in any other color wouldn't look nearly as nasty as that does.
eagl.....i'm actually pretty proud of myself, that i controlled myself well enough to forget the looks package, and go for the functional. i generally don't have very good control that way. you are right....this car will see the track sooner or later. milleville raceway park is only about 45 miles from me, and i may look into local auto crosses too. this may even push me to go take some road course lessons, so i can see if i really know as much as i think i do, or if i'm just a schmuck. :devil
they got me pegged.....when i left the deposit to order it, i go "coolness....i'll see my car in 2 weeks now, right?" they laughed at me. :rofl then marc goes "you're gonna be up at the window with your nose pressed there looking for your car, aren't ya?" :devil
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I'd pay money for THAT pickture :rofl
One of the goofy features I like is the ability to change the interior lighting. Squid loves the red and I take great delight in changing it around on him every time I drive :lol He was going to pick up one of his female friends last week and I snuck out there and changed it all to puke green just to annoy him.
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O *heck* yaa .. I'd be right there withya Cap with my nose pressed against the window .. waiting :)
Glowy-wet-look black looks just plain evil on the new stangs.
If you really want to step off the deep end into car care:
http://www.chemicalguys.com/
These guys have everything.
All of it.
Even on sale now an then.
Cuts right thru the middle man who puts their own label on and says its better an stuff.
-Frank aka GE
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