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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: SirNuke on July 10, 2013, 09:40:46 AM
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http://www.hitechcreations.com/News/Announcements/New-Yak-Screenshots.html
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(http://www.hitechcreations.com/images/stories/news/yak/yak3_3.jpg)
(http://www.hitechcreations.com/images/stories/news/yak/yak7b_2.jpg)
I'm a bit surprised we get the 7B before the 1 tho :headscratch:
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Sweet, a nice late war plane. Anyone got the specs on it?
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Sweet, a nice late war plane. Anyone got the specs on it?
Specs are:
speed <109K4
turns >109K4
:aok
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Long awaited. WTF!
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hoping the 9u and 9t getting remodeled also and not just phased out by these additions, although if i ever use a yak it'll probably be the 3 anyway
EatG
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Many thanks, Waffle, Greebo, and HTC! :salute
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Specs are:
speed <109K4
turns >109K4
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Question is, how well? :old: At least we finally get a plane that'll see some MA use.
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At least we finally get a plane that'll see some MA use.
:headscratch:
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nice ruskkie planes. i wonder if the next announcement is going to include any migs or soviet armor... :headscratch:
At least we finally get a plane that'll see some MA use.
quit talkin out yer bazinga.
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Finally! :O
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Question is, how well? :old: At least we finally get a plane that'll see some MA use.
you mean competitive with the other late fighters
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<- Yak3 hoing you
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yak3 is a fun ride, I can't wait!!!
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This is French Yak-3 Normadie-Niemen
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quit talkin out yer bazinga.
I've one set of He-111 in the MA since it came out. I've seen maybe 20 Ki-43 (and that's being lenient) in the MA since it came out. I've seen maybe 50 Me-410s since it came out, and I've seen maybe 10 P40s since they were reworked (not counting the day right after where everyone was trying them out), same with the C202/205s.
inb4 Lusche post usage stats. Which pales in comparison to the usual MA planes, 109s, Spits, 190s, P51, Ki84 and P38s.
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inb4 Lusche post usage stats. Which pales in comparison to the usual MA planes, 109s, Spits, 190s, P51, Ki84 and P38s.
Yak usage will also pale compared to spits, 51s and 38... If you take these planes as a yardstick to measure on, almost all planes left for addition will "see no usage", just as almost all other planes that are already in game.
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inb4 Lusche post usage stats. Which pales in comparison to the usual MA planes, 109s, Spits, 190s, P51, Ki84 and P38s.
you'll know that the Yak 3 has a 120 round centerline cannon and twin 50's with 170rpg and this will limit its MA usage :old:
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you'll know that the Yak 3 has a 120 round centerline cannon and twin 50's with 170rpg and this will limit its MA usage :old:
K4 has 65 rounds, doesn't stop people from using it. I'll fly it as long as its competitive, which on paper it looks like it is.
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I am weeping at my desk. Co-workers staring... :cry Thank you HTC! Beautiful. Simply beautiful. :aok
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K4 has 65 rounds, doesn't stop people from using it. I'll fly it as long as its competitive, which on paper it looks like it is.
well on the paper the yak has ~ the same firing time than a spit 16, so we'll see how it turns out.
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the way i shoot, the yaks are good for 1/2 a fight and i need to rtb. :lol
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I find it funny that when everything else was being introduced over a Yak, this would be to page 5 already with complaints. Now that the Yak 3 and 7B are actually being introduced, the usual complainer's are quite silent. :noid
Also, VERY NICE. :aok I'll fly them. :)
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Thank god they added the Yak-7 as well, or this update would have been delayed for nothing.
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HnngggGNNGGnngngngNNgngn
kind of surprised/disappointed to not see the Yak 1 on this list but then again you'd think they'd update the Yak 9s too. Maybe we'll see more next week
HngngnnGNNngnng
they want me back
давайте, товарищи...
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K4 has 65 rounds, doesn't stop people from using it. I'll fly it as long as its competitive, which on paper it looks like it is.
Yeah, 65 rounds where one will usually kill a fighter. Only fighters I've ever had to hit more than twice: P-47, F6F, 190F-8.
Used properly (and not JUST conservatively), you should run out of fuel before you run out of ammo.
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Can somebody here or in the A and V forum post about these variants, their strengths and weaknesses etc? Sort of a run down on armaments, speeds, turn radius/rates, etc of all the new Yaks coming, and how they compare to the current 2 Yaks?
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Thank god they added the Yak-7 as well, or this update would have been delayed for nothing.
It's quite possible that they will go with what we see, but I'm going to guess that they will be tossing up one more set of pictures for something else. :x
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Do not fully comprehend. Yak-3 what so special about it? Its nothing more than an inferior Yak-9U
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Do not fully comprehend. Yak-3 what so special about it? Its nothing more than an inferior Yak-9U
Exactly :AOK.
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Do not fully comprehend. Yak-3 what so special about it? Its nothing more than an inferior Yak-9U
As far as I know, the Yak-3 is faster, a better climber and has a much better power/weight ratio = acceleration.
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Wait a second, I thought yaks didn't have control sticks!
Can't wait, thanks HTC!
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Thank god they added the Yak-7 as well, or this update would have been delayed for nothing.
The Yak-3 is a great addition to the plane set and it's about time we got it.
ack-ack
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Any new plane additions (or expanding the model lineup) are a good thing. Stagnation would be a bad thing.
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And this Yak is as good as a K4? If that's true, this is going to suck for me. :confused: :cry
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Very nice to see the new Yaks. As noted on the front page the Yak-7 ought to be quite useful in scenarios and the Yak-3 should be a fun and potent fighter for the MAs as well as bringing more depth to late war East Front scenarios. Like others I am still hopping for a Yak-1 as well. The Yak-3 was a derivative of the Yak-1 and the Yak-9s were derivatives of the larger Yak-7.
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And this Yak is as good as a K4? If that's true, this is going to suck for me. :confused: :cry
Don't turn fight with it. The Yak-3 with the Yak-9U's VK-107 engined didn't enter service until after the war so the Yak-3 will be using the VK-105 engine that the Yak-9T has. It just gets Yak-9U level performance out of it because it is smaller.
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And this Yak is as good as a K4? If that's true, this is going to suck for me. :confused: :cry
from everything i've been able to find, if the version being introduced isn't the -vk107a or something like that from early 1945, the speed should start dropping off between 12-13,000 feet. it should be more maneuverable than any of the 109 g or k models, as well as the 190s.
wait, Karnak...are you sure the vk107a didn't go into production until after the war? the yak pages says about 2-300 were produced by the end of the war.
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That doesn't sound like a K4 then if the performance is going to drop off at 13K. Possibly more like a LA ya think? But anyway I'm glad to see a new plane nonetheless.
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Finally!!
Over the years since the better cockpit updates my wife has looked over my shoulder and asked:
Honey why are you paying to play that game when Aces High's graphics are so much better? Why don't you save some money and only play the better looking game?
Some day Hitech is gonna do the right thing with the other graphics. But, today, Thank you Hitech and Company...... :D
Waystin why did a cragganmore rep call me last month to see how "OUR" Cragganmore Yak Ranch in Texas was doing? I thought I gave you my credit card number to help get your scented Yak butter candle business going in Miami. The rep wanted to know if the Yak's were enjoying that last shipment of scotch since you discovered how to make kobe beef with Yak and scotch.
Check my question below this picture...........
(http://www.hitechcreations.com/images/stories/news/yak/yak3_6.jpg)
I thought these engine mounted ShVAK had a big manual backup pull cocker between the pilots feet as a backup for the pneumatic cocker?
(http://ts2.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.4905081296390389&pid=1.7)
From the 1945 Yak3 manual, a manual backup ShVAK cocker. You won't see this in the cockpit photos from museums because the ShVAK will be demilitarized and the cocking mechanisms will be removed. I understand the why of no rear view mirror. Can we at least get the manual cocker in our ShVAK motor cannons? You put them in the Lavochkins.
(http://www.yakuk.com/img/Yak-3panel.JPG)
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from everything i've been able to find, if the version being introduced isn't the -vk107a or something like that from early 1945, the speed should start dropping off between 12-13,000 feet. it should be more maneuverable than any of the 109 g or k models, as well as the 190s.
wait, Karnak...are you sure the vk107a didn't go into production until after the war? the yak pages says about 2-300 were produced by the end of the war.
Not "didn't get produced", but rather as I said "didn't enter service". There were teething issues that the Yak-3 with the VK-107a and the Yak-9U had because of the engine. The Yak-9U was pushed out into service despite those while the Yak-3 with that engine was delayed.
With the VK-107 the Yak-3's performance was pretty dang good. Something like 4850fpm climb and a top speed of 440mph.
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And this Yak is as good as a K4? If that's true, this is going to suck for me. :confused: :cry
No, the K4 should be faster, climb better, accelerate better at altitude.
The Yak-3 will be able to out turn it. Really, I'd imagine you would fight it the same way you fight a Spit 16, save for the fact that you need a larger head start to escape.
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Another backup cocker with pneumatic cocker.
(http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/1411/24036874vd1.jpg)
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Happy days Happy days :rock :rock :rock :x :x :x
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Don't turn fight with it. The Yak-3 with the Yak-9U's VK-107 engined didn't enter service until after the war so the Yak-3 will be using the VK-105 engine that the Yak-9T has. It just gets Yak-9U level performance out of it because it is smaller.
Yak3 had the VK 105PF2 which was reserved for the Yak 3 throughout nearly all of 44. The Yak9T ( and M) remained with the slightly less powerful VK 105 PF.
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Here is a great youtube video about one for sale, for a mere $425K. Hard to believe only 31 views. Just need to hit the lottery or have a rich uncle die,LOL.
Anyway great flybys (? spelling) you can really hear the Allison engine, with my great PC speakers with subwoofer I can feel the engine as it goes by, course it is turned up some, the Wife complained.
If this video doesn't make you want to fly one nothing will.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoA242riLHg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoA242riLHg)
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Yak3 had the VK 105PF2 which was reserved for the Yak 3 throughout nearly all of 44. The Yak9T ( and M) remained with the slightly less powerful VK 105 PF.
Ah, thanks for the clarification. I am certainly not versed in the minutia of Yaks, having more of a general overview. My general point still stands though. The the VK-107 it had stellar performance, but the WWII era Yak-3 used the VK-105PF2 which while still having sweet handling didn't have the sheer performance of the immediately post-war Yak-3s.
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Congrats Yak fans! :banana:
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I thought these engine mounted ShVAK had a big manual backup pull cocker between the pilots feet as a backup for the pneumatic cocker?
Can we at least get the manual cocker in our ShVAK motor cannons? You put them in the Lavochkins.
So you're saying that when you're flying the new yak, you'd like to spend your time looking down at your big cocker? :rofl
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So you're saying that when you're flying the new yak, you'd like to spend your time looking down at your big cocker? :rofl
:rofl :rofl :rofl i'm glad it wasn't me that went there... :rofl
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Sadly, I don't have $425k to spare...
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HTC just made my day. (http://mail.yimg.com/ok/u/assets/img/emoticons/emo47.gif)
Thank you.
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Gotta say I am looking forward to this. It will not be uber.... It may have a role for players who want a certain uniqueness of ride........
It's cannon is limited in range and total ordinance compared to the mighty Hispano...... It's Mg's like the 9u are some of the best available for RoF and velocity. but it's hitting power is still very much below average.
The big gain for me is the forward view........ It's ideal for the lead shot resolution and I have to say its the frame work that compounds my poor marksmanship more than any other hindrance.
I am looking forward to many virtual deaths in this Bird.
The choice ( and of course quality) of skin is superb..... Not only with a view to the legendary Normandie Niemen but also with respect to the role the NM played in 303IAD during Bagration and successive battles for BeloRus Poland and East Prussia.
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No, the K4 should be faster, climb better, accelerate better at altitude.
The Yak-3 was used as a tactical fighter, intended for combat at low altitudes. At the altitudes most fights occur in game, the Yak-3 will be more than a match for the Bf 109K-4 or any of the Bf 109 variants. So much so that the Luftwaffe issued orders to its units on the Eastern Front not to engage in combat below 5,000 meters with the Yak-3.
ack-ack
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Sounded like Tank ace doesn't want anything other than what he wants added.. BIASED.
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NICE! I was enjoying the Yak9U just before I left... I may come back to try this beast.. Perhaps put the ole' K4 in the back of the garage :O
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:D
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So you're saying that when you're flying the new yak, you'd like to spend your time looking down at your big cocker? :rofl
Sig.
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One down .... 17 to go.
(http://imageshack.us/a/img543/6592/d4ce.png)
(http://imageshack.us/a/img7/1305/s2xg.png)
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It's a good thing I spent time configuring engine sounds for the Yaks, eh?
To my point: are the -9 series Yaks we already have being updated? I would certainly hope so...
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This should be a pretty cool update!
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:rock
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Thats like AWESOME!!!!!!
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from everything i've been able to find, if the version being introduced isn't the -vk107a or something like that from early 1945, the speed should start dropping off between 12-13,000 feet. it should be more maneuverable than any of the 109 g or k models, as well as the 190s.
wait, Karnak...are you sure the vk107a didn't go into production until after the war? the yak pages says about 2-300 were produced by the end of the war.
Some more targets for my butcher bird :aok
On a serious note. How does the 3 accelerat compared to the 9U, D9, and spits?
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The Yak-3 is @800 lbs lighter than the Yak-9 series (loaded weights). It's engine is not as powerfull as the Yak-9U but more so than the Yak-9T. So it will be a very nimble and reasonably fast (400 mph+) fighter with a very low wing loading. It's not known for being one or Russias best WW2 fighters for nothing. Looking forward to it.
Glad they are adding the Yak-7 too. :aok
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The Yak-3 was used as a tactical fighter, intended for combat at low altitudes. At the altitudes most fights occur in game, the Yak-3 will be more than a match for the Bf 109K-4 or any of the Bf 109 variants. So much so that the Luftwaffe issued orders to its units on the Eastern Front not to engage in combat below 5,000 meters with the Yak-3.
ack-ack
IDK, perhaps it's the times I'm typically logging in for, but 10K seems to be about minimum alt, unless you really want to be fighting from a disadvantage.
I almost never used to go above 10K, but now it seems routine. Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't the K4 have a slight advantage from about 10K and up?
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Out of curiosity isnt that altimeter showing feet? I would've expected it to be Metric.
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Out of curiosity isnt that altimeter showing feet? I would've expected it to be Metric.
All gauges in AH are in feet and MPH for consistency purposes.
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Out of curiosity isnt that altimeter showing feet? I would've expected it to be Metric.
Has any plane in AH ever shown altitude in metric units? ;)
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Has any plane in AH ever shown altitude in metric units? ;)
yeah what I meant was it isn't a metric altimeter like the ki84.
Hey I just got up, maybe I should just go back to bed. Sounds like a plan ;)
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The new Yaks look great HTC. Thanks :cheers:
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Gixer. Paging Gixer to general forums please. There's a relevant game topic that interests you that doesn't necessitate a fuss. Gixer to general forums please.
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So you're saying that when you're flying the new yak, you'd like to spend your time looking down at your big cocker? :rofl
:rofl :rofl :rofl
Gixer. Paging Gixer to general forums please. There's a relevant game topic that interests you that doesn't necessitate a fuss. Gixer to general forums please.
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BAM!!! :rofl
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I highly suggest people start to fly the Yak-9U to get a feel for what the -3 is going to be like. The -3 isn't going to be that much different. It is still going to carry 120 rounds of 20mm and 250 rds of .50 cal. Not a lot of firepower at all. As it is, the Yak-9U can hold its own vs a P51 in every way except ord and firepower. The Yak-9U can do anything any of the Spitfires can performance. Most people don't even know the -9U is a 400 mph plane at 15k. I think people are getting too caught up in the vs 109K-4 comparison when for the MA it should be more compared to the P51 because it behaves far more like a P51 than a 109.
I'm not at all giddy over the -3 being added, however I am happy to see the Yak be remodeled. :aok I wonder if HTC is going to retire the 9T and 9U?
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Arlo, awesome graphical list! <S>
Please can you add the LaGG-3? :pray
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If the anecdotal stuff we can read about the Yak-3 are what it's like in AH, then this will be one of the most-popular planes. It might end up being a lot faster than a Spit 16 with better turning ability as well. If so, maybe it ends up being perked.
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Happy days are here again!
Thanks HTC! Yak3 6oclock! :airplane:
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Arlo, awesome graphical list! <S>
Please can you add the LaGG-3? :pray
(http://imageshack.us/a/img580/7895/1cah.png)
(http://imageshack.us/a/img6/9598/8re.png)
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Arlo,
The problem with lists is that they are so subjective to what the creator thinks is important. For example, I can think of dozens of aircraft that are higher up the list than the SM.82, including other Italian aircraft.
Also, I am pretty sure the Mosquito Mk XVI is not a fighter. :p
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Arlo,
The problem with lists is that they are so subjective to what the creator thinks is important. For example, I can think of dozens of aircraft that are higher up the list than the SM.82, including other Italian aircraft.
Also, I am pretty sure the Mosquito Mk XVI is not a fighter. :p
Alas, I worked with other players to compile the list. You being one of them. You even saw it's original incarnation. You know, the one that didn't have any U.S., British or German equipment. (Which I was obviously comfortable with.) :)
And don't blame me for the AH aircraft list in it's original format (all blue planes). ;)
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Alas, I worked with other players to compile the list. You being one of them. You even saw it's original incarnation. You know, the one that didn't have any U.S., British or German equipment. (Which I was obviously comfortable with.) :)
You didn't consult me because there's no Westland Whirlwind on it :mad:. Surely one of the most popular and positive wishlist threads in the last few years:-
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,313538.0.html
On the last page we even have the original pilots notes.
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Gixer. Paging Gixer to general forums please. There's a relevant game topic that interests you that doesn't necessitate a fuss. Gixer to general forums please.
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Oh I'm sure Gixer will find something wrong with the Yaks to fuss about. ;)
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Arlo, awesome! (Oops -- I forgot to ask for the SB2C. . . . :uhoh )
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You didn't consult me because there's no Westland Whirlwind on it :mad:. Surely one of the most popular and positive wishlist threads in the last few years:-
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,313538.0.html
On the last page we even have the original pilots notes.
I didn't 'consult' anyone. I posted in the wishlist. Players made suggestions. I made adjustments. You had to be there. :D
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Arlo, awesome! (Oops -- I forgot to ask for the SB2C. . . . :uhoh )
Honestly, I made compromises and concessions in an attempt to garner support.
But ... this is a really big list. If it wasn't for all the neat surprises HT has been unveiling as of late, I'd say it was asking too much.
Don't wanna appear as one of those 'never satisfied types.
HT, Skuzzy and Pyro are probably laughing at that last sentence. :lol
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It's a good list, Arlo.
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I didn't 'consult' anyone. I posted in the wishlist. Players made suggestions. I made adjustments. You had to be there. :D
I have been on the wishlist.
Thing is about justifying priorities is that different people have different criteria for wishing for what they want. Historical representation is important certainly, but we aren't a historical re-enactment community (see typical MA gameplay). I'd rather have something odd and fun than something mainstream myself.
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I have been on the wishlist.
Thing is about justifying priorities is that different people have different criteria for wishing for what they want. Historical representation is important certainly, but we aren't a historical re-enactment community (see typical MA gameplay). I'd rather have something odd and fun than something mainstream myself.
The MA is well taken care of, by and large, but if you'd take a closer look you may notice more than one MA suitable suggestion (A-26, Pe-2, Re-2005, Ki-100 ... ). And it isn't 'historical re-enactment.' That's what the guys who buy Revolutionary War, Civil War and even WWII uniforms do - firing blanks and falling when the script says. This community does it's best to stage 'historical events' where the players may have an impact on the battle. With player counts of up to 300 or so in an FSO frame (a large margin of them forum participants) then you may expect more 'event holes' being plugged by Dale and co. As you've seen, HT isn't adverse to such. By the full list of planes and vehicles modeled so far, it seems he's right at home there. You'd think he was an event player himself over the last couple of decades. :D
Anyhoo ... that's why I made adjustments based on some of the other player's criteria.
Like I said, you had to be there. Visiting the wishlist and participating in the thread I posted with this chart/list are 2 different things. :cool:
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I was actually considering quitting again before this announcement. Its not the game as much as Im just not into gaming as much anymore. But the Yak is my favorite plane and I must fly the Yak-3. It true Yak-9U fights against Mustangs and P-47s are often epic. They are very evenly matched. This is going to be a really fine addition.
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excellent news, The Yak-3 had a big impact over helping the Russian's gain more aerial superiority. To hear German claims that they were ordered to flee in sight of this beautiful plane warms my heart a little. Having seen it beat up Duxford a couple of times you can see how fantastic the climb and handling should be.
I would say a few degrees slower than a spit 8/9 in a flat turn but the climb/power stats of a KI -84. It will be uber but the guns will let it down for the average AHer.
A great addition to the Late war arena!
Now for the meteor! :D
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Arlo, awesome! (Oops -- I forgot to ask for the SB2C. . . . :uhoh )
yes please! :pray
Another bomber to dogfight with :x
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Anyhoo ... that's why I made adjustments based on some of the other player's criteria.
Like I said, you had to be there. Visiting the wishlist and participating in the thread I posted with this chart/list are 2 different things. :cool:
Well that's fine, as long as you aren't claiming your list to be something it isn't. :D
I am unable to attend special events & I'd still like the Westland Whirlwind added which I'd use in the MA :cool:
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Many thanks, Waffle, Greebo, and HTC! :salute
Yes, thank you.
Future Russian scrap metal is always nice to have :devil
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I would say a few degrees slower than a spit 8/9 in a flat turn but the climb/power stats of a KI -84.
Do you have the full 'LACES OUT' altar dedicated to the Ki-84 at home, or merely a picture of one on your dartboard? You are aware that the Spit 8 out climbs the Ki-84 regardless of altitude? In my opinion clearly out turns it too unless the 84 pilot is skillful enough to survive until he can get its flaps out.
The Yak-3 should be close to the Ki-84 in climb rate but not quite match it.
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Gibberish Shida and you know it!!!!
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Dreams really do come true......
First they unperked the spit14 and now they are giving me the yak3. I'll be resubbing soon. See y'all in the unfriendly skies.
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Do you have the full 'LACES OUT' altar dedicated to the Ki-84 at home, or merely a picture of one on your dartboard? You are aware that the Spit 8 out climbs the Ki-84 regardless of altitude? In my opinion clearly out turns it too unless the 84 pilot is skillful enough to survive until he can get its flaps out.
The Yak-3 should be close to the Ki-84 in climb rate but not quite match it.
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I used it as a comparison for how well this thing should climb. I have no problem killing Ki-84's or getting kills in it so in answer to your question no I do not.
Even that plane needs updating.
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I used it as a comparison for how well this thing should climb. I have no problem killing Ki-84's or getting kills in it so in answer to your question no I do not.
Even that plane needs updating.
Indeed. So just to clarify for future reference, is it or is it not your position that the Ki-84 is over-modeled?
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I've one set of He-111 in the MA since it came out. I've seen maybe 20 Ki-43 (and that's being lenient) in the MA since it came out. I've seen maybe 50 Me-410s since it came out, and I've seen maybe 10 P40s since they were reworked (not counting the day right after where everyone was trying them out), same with the C202/205s.
inb4 Lusche post usage stats. Which pales in comparison to the usual MA planes, 109s, Spits, 190s, P51, Ki84 and P38s.
Last night alone I saw 5 KI-43's over the same base. They are more prevalent that you think.
I will take a 3 out for a spin...
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I'm curious about this Yak 3. It's undergunned for my preference, but I find the Yak 9 to be a fairly decent flying plane. I'll try it out for sure, it might even become a sometimes plane for me. Definitely looking forward to more depth in scenarios.
Wiley.
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does the Yak3 have a smaller load out then the 9U?
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does the Yak3 have a smaller load out then the 9U?
INCONTHEEVABLE! The Yak-9U and its 120 rds of 20mm and 170 rds for each of the two .50 cal MG's were as small as it got.
Can anyone shed some light as to why HTC would go with the -7B? One would have thought that the -9T, -9U, and -3 would have been the main trio for them to use (1 each = EW, MW, LW). One source shows the -7B as being the most numerous version built at over 5000, and the charts are showing similar performance to the -9T. On target with this assessment?
Again, as I compare the -9U and -3 I cant help but think there will be a lot of disappointed people once it arrives. It does not appear as it offers anything more, at least on paper, than the -9U. We all know how well the -9U is used in AH. :aok It is a great plane but good for little other than in a 1v1 dogfight and that happens oh so very rarely in the MA. Time will tell. *shrugs*
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Even that plane needs updating.
I would love to see the Ki-61 updated first and possibly the additon of a couple of new models.
Very glad to see the new Yaks. :aok
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The new Yak screenshots look absolutely gorgeous, good job!
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So you're saying that when you're flying the new yak, you'd like to spend your time looking down at your big cocker? :rofl
You know gramps too well. :devil
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You know gramps too well. :devil
Speaking of Cocker:
http://www.spike.com/video-clips/rbchqv/john-belushi-joe-cocker
(Ok, it's Belushi). :D
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Outstanding! :aok
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Can anyone shed some light as to why HTC would go with the -7B? One would have thought that the -9T, -9U, and -3 would have been the main trio for them to use (1 each = EW, MW, LW). One source shows the -7B as being the most numerous version built at over 5000, and the charts are showing similar performance to the -9T. On target with this assessment?
The 7b does give a scenario life of Stalingrad thru to Kursk and in a minority role in Bagration. Its contempory the Yak1 (105PF) had similar performance but a load out of 1x20 + 1x12.7. The 7b carries the 1x20 +2 x12.7 plus a capacity for 2 x 100Kg bombs. I think its the loadout and duration of use that makes it an attractive option.
You are correct its performance (without bombs) would be very similar to the Yak9T.
With this we would have
7b Mid 42 to late 44 (just)
9T Mid 43 to end 44
3 Mid 44 to end of GPW
9U Late 44 to end of GPW
As some have said a Yak 1 (VK105P (or PA)) would add mid 41 to mid/late 42.
I would hope that when the 9T and 9U are remodeled the T gets and M option for scenario use.
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Can anyone shed some light as to why HTC would go with the -7B? One would have thought that the -9T, -9U, and -3 would have been the main trio for them to use (1 each = EW, MW, LW). One source shows the -7B as being the most numerous version built at over 5000, and the charts are showing similar performance to the -9T. On target with this assessment?
As you say, we already have the 9's, and the 7 was a numerous version. So, it should be in here. I doubt that it will have the performance of a 9 as it is an earlier design, closer to the 1.
For special events, we don't have 41-42 timeframe Soviet aircraft, which limits us to late-war Eastern Front and completely omits, as one example, the largest battle in WWII: Stalingrad. To fill that in, we eventually need the Yak-1 and LaGG-3 (and would be nice to fill in attack aircraft with the Pe-2). The Yak-7 is a step in that direction of filling out the Soviet plane set, and we can use it for Yak-1/LaGG-3's in events.
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So you're saying that when you're flying the new yak, you'd like to spend your time looking down at your big cocker? :rofl
What ever it takes including my dancing around in a pink TuTu if you guys fix the oversight.
All ShVAK 20mm mounted "engine inline" had a backup manual pull cocker visible between the pilots feet. I'd hate to see the one for the NS-37 and how the pilot had to pull that one... :huh
The thing had a short stroke action that didn't quit dampen the recoil against the weight of the plane, so it was probably pneumatically cocked.
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(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lwy49k0DBD1qbjc7fo4_250.gif#john%20belushi%20joe%20cocker%20gif%20250x169)
:D
In Aces High we have no hands. How are you/we gonna manually cock ourselves (he asks somewhat hesitantly). :lol
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I never want to meet the guy who can cock all three La7 cannons at the same time Arlo..........
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Some basic questions:
Will either of the new yaks have wep? Finally torq issues for yaks like other planes?
Will it fly with nose drifting up like 190s?
Will it fly with nose drifting down like 410s?
Will it fly better backwards than forwards like 152s and 410s?
Flame away! : :(:
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As you say, we already have the 9's, and the 7 was a numerous version. So, it should be in here. I doubt that it will have the performance of a 9 as it is an earlier design, closer to the 1.
For special events, we don't have 41-42 timeframe Soviet aircraft, which limits us to late-war Eastern Front and completely omits, as one example, the largest battle in WWII: Stalingrad. To fill that in, we eventually need the Yak-1 and LaGG-3 (and would be nice to fill in attack aircraft with the Pe-2). The Yak-7 is a step in that direction of filling out the Soviet plane set, and we can use it for Yak-1/LaGG-3's in events.
Love that HTC is adding the 7b. +1 for Pe-2 :cheers:
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Some basic questions:
Will either of the new yaks have wep? Finally torq issues for yaks like other planes?
Will it fly with nose drifting up like 190s?
Will it fly with nose drifting down like 410s?
Will it fly better backwards than forwards like 152s and 410s?
Flame away! : :(:
Trim?
Luftwaffe persecution complex?
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As some have said a Yak 1 (VK105P (or PA)) would add mid 41 to mid/late 42.
I would hope that when the 9T and 9U are remodeled the T gets and M option for scenario use.
+1
It is good to see that HTC is working on Yak line adding new Yak-3 and Yak-7b
1) I would recommend to add early war Yak-1 (m-105p) which will cover 1941 scenarios like "Barbarossa" or "Battle for Moscow"
2) It would be very good to convert existing Yak-9T into hybrid Yak-9 (m-105pf) model with the options:
a) 20mm cannon (Yak9/Yak-9M - the most standard version)
b) 37mm cannon (existing Yak-9T)
c) 20mm cannon with additional internal fuel tanks (Yak-9D/Yak9DD)
These additions will pretty much cover the whole Yak line (with the only one exception of Yak-1b which can be well substituted in scenarios with Yak-9 20mm)
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+1 for the Pe-2, Yak-1, LaGG-3, and MiG-3, eh?
Eh?
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It is good to see that HTC is working on Yak line adding new Yak-3 and Yak-7b
1) I would recommend to add early war Yak-1 (m-105p) which will cover 1941 scenarios like "Barbarossa" or "Battle for Moscow"
2) It would be very good to convert existing Yak-9T into hybrid Yak-9 (m-105pf) model with the options:
a) 20mm cannon (Yak9/Yak-9M - the most standard version)
b) 37mm cannon (existing Yak-9T)
c) 20mm cannon with additional internal fuel tanks (Yak-9D/Yak9DD)
These additions will pretty much cover the whole Yak line (with the only one exception of Yak-1b which can be well substituted in scenarios with Yak-9 20mm)
Please, no more hybrids. :cry If anything, I'd LOVE to see the F4F-3/4 we have split into separate airframes. The 3 was more maneuverable with longer range while the 4 had more armor and firepower.
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Please, no more hybrids. :cry If anything, I'd LOVE to see the F4F-3/4 we have split into separate airframes. The 3 was more maneuverable with longer range while the 4 had more armor and firepower.
Sometimes hybrids work. From the sound of it that may be the case with the Yak-9/Yak-9D/Yak-9DD/Yak-9M/Yak-9T. If the only differences are guns and fuel tanks (the He111 has different fuel tanks depending on loadout) with the engine and armor remaining the same there is no reason not to do a hybrid.
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So long as it doesn't turn into another F4F-3/4 type hybrid, then I won't have any complaints. :aok
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Great News!
Yak-7B will fill a massive hole in the planeset and Yak-3 is an iconic WWII fighter and has been wished a lot.
Personally I've been hoping to see mid-war Soviet fighters for roughly 10 years now.
Nice skin choice on the 7B, Greebo. ;) And an awesome job as always regarding the quality!
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At least the machinegun charging handles were put in the cockpit on the front page. The 12.5mm in the hood for Yak have a charging handle for each machinegun just as the 20mm will have the same charging pull handle between the knees.
Check out item (12).
(http://hobbyport.ru/mkmagazin/avia/yak_3_5.gif)
Fig. 3: 1-2, an oxygen cylinder-bore control valve guard, 3-electrical control unit, 4-wheel steering, height trimmed management 5-valve cleaning and release the chassis, 6 — controls the engine systems, 7 — rear view mirror, 8 — 9, sight — an oxygen device KPA-3 bis 10-handrails for climbing out of the cockpit, 11 — handle recharging machine guns, 12 — mechanical penreloading the gun, 13-14, fan-wheel control shutters masloradiatora, 15-16 Control Panel, radio-control airplane pen, 17-18, bronezagolovnik-armoured glass, 19-20, electrical equipment-steering Rod 21, height — control knob ventilation, safety harnesses, 22-23-24-bronespinka seat, engine control devices, 25-26-airspeed indicator, altimeter, compass, 28 — 27 — and slip indicator, 29 hours 30-variometer, 31 — radio station, 32, left side control panel, 33 — right side control panel.
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(http://imageshack.us/a/img580/7895/1cah.png)
(http://imageshack.us/a/img6/9598/8re.png)
(http://ww2db.com/images/air_ki44_3.jpg)
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Trim?
Luftwaffe persecution complex?
:lol it's more of a :cry that he can't fly them like everyone else. happens once in a while. :lol
i have a feeling there are going to be a ton of yak3s in the air for a few weeks once they are released... :uhoh
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<snip> the largest battle in WWII: Stalingrad. <snip>
Whilst Stalingrad was the pivotal battle of WWII. I think you will find that Bagration was the largest both with respect to the number of combatants and the shear loss of Wehrmacht numbers through the complete annihilation of the whole of an army group (central) whereas at Stalingrad the Wehrmacht "only" lost an army (6th).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Bagration (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Bagration)
Bagration was infact Hitlers "greatest defeat" of WWII. It was a walkover for the Red Army and it happened just after a comparatively minor landing took place in Normandy.
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Whilst Stalingrad was the pivotal battle of WWII. I think you will find that Bagration was the largest both with respect to the number of combatants and the shear loss of Wehrmacht numbers through the complete annihilation of the whole of an army group (central) whereas at Stalingrad the Wehrmacht "only" lost an army (6th).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Bagration (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Bagration)
Bagration was infact Hitlers "greatest defeat" of WWII. It was a walkover for the Red Army and it happened just after a comparatively minor landing took place in Normandy.
Kursk was bigger. Soviets alone lost a million men there.
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Sadly, I don't have $425k to spare...
Same here :(
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/26232318/yak-3m.jpg)
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May finally be time to make my return. PS2 is getting dull anyways.
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As I understood, most of the southern army headed south to go thru Turkey etc to get to the Suez cannal, go west, and then squish the allied armies in the North Africa, while Rommel attacked from the west to east. Hence putting a allies under a two front war in north africa.
By the time of Stalingrad, USA made, USA paid machines, guns, food, supplies AND EVEN STALIN'S LUNCH, was arriving in Stalingrad and againt all of Germany's fronts. At the same time, Germany armies were as far away from Berlin as ever so German's supplies were at an all time low. Fighting on three fronts, west in air vs USAF b17s and b24s (let alone the garrison army to protect from any d-day attempts, like the battle of Dieppe), south in africa then in Italy, and in the east vs Russia. To get to the point, all the Reich was surprised by the seemingly endless supplied opponents.
The other point is, that for the larger(?) portion of the Germany army that had gone south to squish with Rommel, now needed time to retreat or be cut off. By the time it came back, Paulus in Stalingrad was totally surrounded due to other axis armies being overran. Paulus had to stand or die to save the other retreating portion or there would have been no southern front at all.
It was USA supplies, their overwhelming impact, that won the battle of Stalingrad, and the fact that Hitler and his command didn't realize just how much was arriving on the opposing fronts. In a way, Paulus succeeded by 'saving' the southern portion enuf time to retreat.
One of the following battles of retreating German armies was in the crimea peninsula can be seen in the movie 'Cross of Iron' was pretty good, german side, entertaining. Sam Peckinpaw and James Coburn.
"I have a feeling that this whole thing is begining to slide" ~ Peckinpaw
"Here's to the cake!" ~ a german soldier
"Here's to the great German Wehrmact, even when its going down in defeat!" ~ another German soldier.
A good book on the subject; "the black march" by Peter Neuman, an SS soldier that was part of the army trying to save stalingrad, made it to the axis side of the front of stalingrad, but defeated. Read this for their state of mind and some horror stories.
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I've heard that Iron Cross is a very good movie. I haven't seen it yet, but I will. :aok
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As I understood, most of the southern army headed south to go thru Turkey etc to get to the Suez cannal, go west, and then squish the allied armies in the North Africa, while Rommel attacked from the west to east. Hence putting a allies under a two front war in north africa.
By the time of Stalingrad, USA made, USA paid machines, guns, food, supplies AND EVEN STALIN'S LUNCH, was arriving in Stalingrad and againt all of Germany's fronts. At the same time, Germany armies were as far away from Berlin as ever so German's supplies were at an all time low. Fighting on three fronts, west in air vs USAF b17s and b24s (let alone the garrison army to protect from any d-day attempts, like the battle of Dieppe), south in africa then in Italy, and in the east vs Russia. To get to the point, all the Reich was surprised by the seemingly endless supplied opponents.
The other point is, that for the larger(?) portion of the Germany army that had gone south to squish with Rommel, now needed time to retreat or be cut off. By the time it came back, Paulus in Stalingrad was totally surrounded due to other axis armies being overran. Paulus had to stand or die to save the other retreating portion or there would have been no southern front at all.
It was USA supplies, their overwhelming impact, that won the battle of Stalingrad, and the fact that Hitler and his command didn't realize just how much was arriving on the opposing fronts. In a way, Paulus succeeded by 'saving' the southern portion enuf time to retreat.
One of the following battles of retreating German armies was in the crimea peninsula can be seen in the movie 'Cross of Iron' was pretty good, german side, entertaining. Sam Peckinpaw and James Coburn.
"I have a feeling that this whole thing is begining to slide" ~ Peckinpaw
"Here's to the cake!" ~ a german soldier
"Here's to the great German Wehrmact, even when its going down in defeat!" ~ another German soldier.
A good book on the subject; "the black march" by Peter Neuman, an SS soldier that was part of the army trying to save stalingrad, made it to the axis side of the front of stalingrad, but defeated. Read this for their state of mind and some horror stories.
:rofl that has got to be the best outrageous version of alternate history i have seen this year...nice job Franz. :aok :lol
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"The Black March" book was printed in England under the title "other mans wars" I think, few different titles. Its good too.
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Kursk was bigger. Soviets alone lost a million men there.
Soviets lost over a million at Stalingrad ( considering all its phases) and over 600,000 at Kursk, 770,000 casualties during Bagration. In terms of deployed combatants and material Bagration is considered the greater. And loss of material to the Whermacht during Bagration was the greatest of all Whermacht defeats.
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Whilst Stalingrad was the pivotal battle of WWII. I think you will find that Bagration was the largest
That indeed was a big one. I'm not sure which of Stalingrad or Bagration had the most men overall. Stalingrad was 3M at its peak, but total over its whole course is a larger number than that. Stalingrad had 2M casualties, which I think is larger than Bagration. Bagration did have more aircraft.
Kursk was a big one, too. At 2.8M men involved, it is slightly smaller than Stalingrad and Bagration, but it of course had more thank than either.
It is interesting to know that, in terms of men involved, casualties, aircraft numbers, tank numbers, gun numbers, etc. -- whichever of those metrics or any combination of them one wants to use -- 80% or more of the fighting in WWII in Europe was between Germany and the Soviets.
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It was certainly US supplies that enabled the the swift deployment of the Red Army during Bagration. It was back boned by massive numbers of US supplied trucks.
I am not so sure that US aid was so influential at Stalingrad during the winter of 1942.
It is always strange to me that various nationalities claim kudos for " winning the war" via a variety of mechanisms. When I look at the casualty lists, such mechanisms are but fruitless propaganda. It is the dead and the maimed that can truly claim the right IMO.
I apologise for being a contributor to thread derailment...... .......
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Soviets lost over a million at Stalingrad ( considering all its phases) and over 600,000 at Kursk, 770,000 casualties during Bagration. In terms of deployed combatants and material Bagration is considered the greater. And loss of material to the Whermacht during Bagration was the greatest of all Whermacht defeats.
Soviets lost a million men at Kursk. 170,000+ during the German advance and 850,000+ during the Soviet counter attack.
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I apologise for being a contributor to thread derailment...... .......
It's good and worthy information and discussion.
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As Stalin said at Yalta, "It takes a courageous man to not be brave in the Soviet Army". :huh
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As Stalin said at Yalta, "It takes a courageous man to not be brave in the Soviet Army". :huh
lol, i've seen people get confused over that tidbit...considering Stalin's orders to his commanders, i'd say it's fitting.
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As I understood, most of the southern army headed south to go thru Turkey etc to get to the Suez cannal, go west, and then squish the allied armies in the North Africa, while Rommel attacked from the west to east. Hence putting a allies under a two front war in north africa.
By the time of Stalingrad, USA made, USA paid machines, guns, food, supplies AND EVEN STALIN'S LUNCH, was arriving in Stalingrad and againt all of Germany's fronts. At the same time, Germany armies were as far away from Berlin as ever so German's supplies were at an all time low. Fighting on three fronts, west in air vs USAF b17s and b24s (let alone the garrison army to protect from any d-day attempts, like the battle of Dieppe), south in africa then in Italy, and in the east vs Russia. To get to the point, all the Reich was surprised by the seemingly endless supplied opponents.
The other point is, that for the larger(?) portion of the Germany army that had gone south to squish with Rommel, now needed time to retreat or be cut off. By the time it came back, Paulus in Stalingrad was totally surrounded due to other axis armies being overran. Paulus had to stand or die to save the other retreating portion or there would have been no southern front at all.
It was USA supplies, their overwhelming impact, that won the battle of Stalingrad, and the fact that Hitler and his command didn't realize just how much was arriving on the opposing fronts. In a way, Paulus succeeded by 'saving' the southern portion enuf time to retreat.
One of the following battles of retreating German armies was in the crimea peninsula can be seen in the movie 'Cross of Iron' was pretty good, german side, entertaining. Sam Peckinpaw and James Coburn.
"I have a feeling that this whole thing is begining to slide" ~ Peckinpaw
"Here's to the cake!" ~ a german soldier
"Here's to the great German Wehrmact, even when its going down in defeat!" ~ another German soldier.
A good book on the subject; "the black march" by Peter Neuman, an SS soldier that was part of the army trying to save stalingrad, made it to the axis side of the front of stalingrad, but defeated. Read this for their state of mind and some horror stories.
No, seriously... I snorted when I saw the "STALIN'S LUNCH" part.
More to the point: you do realise most Soviet troops were equipped with PPSh machine guns and Mosin-Nagant rifles, right? Manufactured in the Soviet Union, even...
Another thing. The SS trying to SAVE Stalingrad? I'm sure you know how many millions of people the SS murdered in the Soviet Union. Absolutely appalling and ridiculous to make that claim.
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gotta consider the source there Fruda...some people enjoy alternative history over actual history and Franz is one of those people.
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gotta consider the source there Fruda...some people enjoy alternative history over actual history and Franz is one of those people.
Oh, I certainly considered the source. All the more reason to be appalled at the fact that somebody could actually buy into that nonsense.
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It was certainly US supplies that enabled the the swift deployment of the Red Army during Bagration. It was back boned by massive numbers of US supplied trucks.
The trucks were "supplied" by the United States in the sense that they were manufactured in the Soviet Union under license... very much how one could say that the United States "supplied" the engines for the Lavochkin fighters because the Shvetsov radial engines were Wright Cyclones built under license (although modified).
The reality is, it's very interesting how all of the Allied powers worked together in such a way. Now, if only we could get every country to work together like that without having a war to drive it...
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The reality is, it's very interesting how all of the Allied powers worked together in such a way. Now, if only we could get every country to work together like that without having a war to drive it...
that's been happening for a good while now. just look at the price of oil and the number of businesses owned by foreign interests, not to mention the number of people working for daimler/benz, toyota and mitsubishi.
oh and shouldn't forget the amount of junk import products that we find out are health hazards after years of being used domestically...
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He could mean saving the battle for the German side, not as in being the salvation of the people who lived there. That's what I assumed in reading it, but who knows.
Stalin was a horrible man as well and killed a vast number of people, including many of his own people.
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that we find out are health hazards after years of being used domestically...
This is why I don't buy any food or anything touching food that is from China if I can help it.
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The trucks were "supplied" by the United States in the sense that they were manufactured in the Soviet Union under license...
And most of the trucks that drove into the Soviet Union in the Summer of 1941 had Ford or GM badges...
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Ok, the movie was I was saying earlier is "cross of iron" not "iron cross"
Ofcourse I meant save german armies in stalingrad when I said 'save stalingrad'
Why would you assume opposite? Best you two could find wrong was a gramatical 'ambiguity' to defeat my whole info? Lol
This is all from my phone btw. No internet to even play atm, kk.
Yes usa aid in Russia at winter of 1942/1943.
*USA sold Britain 50 destroyers a long time before dec 7th 1941, not sure date, but USA had been supplying.
Including sending USA flying tiger planes, with USA pilots, with China paint, landed in China before Pearharbor!, Japan surprise attack? Usa was helping allies way early and it is an act of war to supply a side.
*Dec 7 1941: was pearl harbor in pacific, and gemany stalled outside of moscow due to worst winter in years.
*By winter 1942/1943, USA's help was extreme to all agaisnt Germany, 400,000 trucks to russia? Get a date on this, SUPPLIES.
Add radio communicatiion wire, food.
*The movie "Enemy at the gate" about stalingrad:
Commander says something about 3 soldiers per gun, "when guy infront of you dies, next will pick it up.
Holywood or true? If lack of rifles with USA help, imagine without.
*WHY hitler went south thru ukraine - it was the 'breadbasket' on the way to oil of cacusses, and on the way to turkey, palistine, suez canal, egypt, to squeze allies between rommel... suez canal = englands's personal supply route. Everything to do with supplies.
An army marches on its stomach! And tanks roll on oil.
Loom up murmansk convoy, gemany fighting in north also...
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This is why I don't buy any food or anything touching food that is from China if I can help it.
watch for drywall too...
http://www.caslab.com/Chinese-Drywall-Testing/?_kk=chinese%20drywall%20problem&_kt=f10024aa-ea64-4b2f-938f-aaa94f48aeb0&gclid=CImwg5HqqrgCFcFFMgod_HcAXA (http://www.caslab.com/Chinese-Drywall-Testing/?_kk=chinese%20drywall%20problem&_kt=f10024aa-ea64-4b2f-938f-aaa94f48aeb0&gclid=CImwg5HqqrgCFcFFMgod_HcAXA)
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Ok, the movie was I was saying earlier is "cross of iron" not "iron cross"
Ofcourse I meant save german armies in stalingrad when I said 'save stalingrad'
Why would you assume opposite? Best you two could find wrong was a gramatical 'ambiguity' to defeat my whole info? Lol
This is all from my phone btw. No internet to even play atm, kk.
sorry Franz, i'm not picking on you, really. it's not the grammatical ambiguity necessarily, but the appearance of utter nonsense in the way you post stuff. look up the lend-lease program from world war 2, especially the aid that was rendered to russia.
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Yeah, wiki lend-lease, signed march 1941. This when 'free stuff' was sent.
Let alone, USA was allowing 'allied trade' for war materials of any kind.
Hail Erich Topp for sinking the USA escort destroyer Reuben James before pearl harbor!
Everything I said is fact, no need for your bashing Germany falitically everytime you have even an ambiguity leg to stand on.
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Let's for a moment note that while armories in the United States did produce Mosin Nagants for the Russian Empire during the First World War, no such contracts took place with the Soviets during the Second, and that by that point in time there were enough Mosin Nagants floating around for even Finland to arm its entire military with them. In fact the United States supplied the Soviet Union with approximately 0 small arms under the Lend Lease act.
The primary support that the Soviets got from us through lend lease was through supply/logistics vehicles, and to a lesser extent aircraft and armor.
Let's not pretend that every country didn't do their part in the dismantlement of the Third Reich.
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well, thats that. . .
this one is gonna make a few of us commies. . .
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And this Yak is as good as a K4? If that's true, this is going to suck for me. :confused: :cry
That doesn't sound like a K4 then if the performance is going to drop off at 13K. Possibly more like a LA ya think? But anyway I'm glad to see a new plane nonetheless.
imo Yak-3's contemporary irl would be the current 109G-14 or late model G-6 with MW-50 juice (not in game)... not the K-4.
(http://www.hitechcreations.com/components/com_ahplaneperf/genchart.php?p1=84&p2=24&pw=2>ype=0&gui=localhost&itemsel=GameData)
I believe the K-4's were exclusive only in the western front.
As with Yak-3... imagine a Yak-9U but only lighter... and i think it will have initial climbrate starting in the 4000s range... but it won't be as hot as the top dog climbers in game like the 109G-14 and Spit VIII/XVI.
I also speculate that Yak 3 will have climb rate characteristics like a Ki-84 constantly-running WEP.
(http://www.hitechcreations.com/components/com_ahplaneperf/genchart.php?p1=78&p2=24&pw=2>ype=2&gui=localhost&itemsel=GameData)
No, the K4 should be faster, climb better, accelerate better at altitude.
The Yak-3 will be able to out turn it. Really, I'd imagine you would fight it the same way you fight a Spit 16, save for the fact that you need a larger head start to escape.
Unlike the merlin powered spitfires (similar engine torque characteristics as 109s) ... you can force a left-biased turn fight in a 109 (with flaps engaged and careful throttle mgmt) against Yaks and turn inside them.
The Yaks can also turn tables against 109s by forcing right-biased turns.
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From wikipedia "lend-lease."
In total, the US deliveries through Lend-Lease amounted to $11 billion in materials: over 400,000 jeeps and trucks; 12,000 armored vehicles (including 7,000 tanks); 11,400 aircraft and 1.75 million tons of food.[23]
"License built" mein arse.
So, yes, INCLUDING STALIN'S LUNCH!!
Like I said before these haterz(?) showed up, all this stuff is what caught Germany by surprise, at the very time when Germany's armies were furthest away from home. Hitler and his high command kept assuming the Soviets were about to colapse.
The prob was USA's car assembly lines were now making everything a war needed - Summed up, never had so much stuff ever been delivered in the history of this earth.
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109G-14 or late model G-6 with MW-50 juice (not in game)
Same thing...
I believe the K-4's were exclusive only in the western front.
They weren't.
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Can anyone shed some light as to why HTC would go with the -7B? One would have thought that the -9T, -9U, and -3 would have been the main trio for them to use (1 each = EW, MW, LW). One source shows the -7B as being the most numerous version built at over 5000, and the charts are showing similar performance to the -9T. On target with this assessment?
Yak-7B's performance varied and changed significantly throughout its production. The speed data which is even faster than Yak-9T (~330mph / 530km/h on the deck) comes from the testing of Yak-7B c/n 3101 and only represents a very few of the latest production Yak-7Bs. Considering that the whole point of adding the 7B is to help fill a gaping hole of "1942" in the Soviet planeset, the speed is likely to be ~319mph (514km/h) on the deck. That figure is with the first significant improvements to the initial production 7B like the initial version of the M105PF engine. First PF engined Yak-7Bs reached front line in late summer of '42.
Speed chart:
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f147/Wmaker/Aircraft-evaluation-5_zps74643c54.jpg)
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The reality is, it's very interesting how all of the Allied powers worked together in such a way. Now, if only we could get every country to work together like that without having a war to drive it...
It only happened because the alliance hated and feared the Germans more then we distrusted each other. Political ideology takes a back seat to survival instinct. The west needed the Soviets and visa-versa. Once that changed, and it did even before the end of the war, the entire thing began to unravel. Churchill especially hated and distrusted the Soviets and Roosevelt was no fool.
Some say we gave away the farm at Yalta but the truth is we did not. Even if we were contentious the result would have been the same so we might as well have hugged and kissed for the news papers.
And most of the trucks that drove into the Soviet Union in the Summer of 1941 had Ford or GM badges...
I know American vehicle makers had a huge presence in the Soviet union even before the war. if I remember right even the famous Stalingrad tractor factory was run by American managers. Ford MoCo had huge contracts starting in the 30's, both for exports and for building under License.
1942 was the year Lend Lease really took off. Roosevelt himself kicked in the pants when he found out The War Dept. was hedging and hoarding cause they thought the Reds would lose for sure. But I do not know what sort of impact it had at Stalingrad. Besides Kursk was much more a turning point then Stalingrad was.
its interesting to note however that German production far outstripped Soviet production, quantity and quality, up to Stalingrad. The reds were quick to totally mobilize 100% on a war footing however. That and I think theres no doubt as a people they united and showed great courage.
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YAK_YAK_YAK_YAK_YAK_YAK!!!!!
I went to a German WW2 site to get their view on the YAK3. It appears they were horribly afraid of the Yak. They taught their pilots to avoid all Yak confrontations except for the first model which only had a small number produced. That model had an oil filled cooling system which could easily be seen in the front. It wasn't as fast, couldn't go as high and had limited guns plus limited armament. The Germans were ordered to stay away from the later model which was air cooled and a totally different plane in terms of performance. In an air battle their were 4 yaks against 16 109's. Not one Yak was shot down and 7 109's bit the dust. In another conflict their were 12 Yaks against 40 109's. 3 Yaks were shot down 12 109's were blown to pieces and 3 limped home useless.
The German command sent orders to all pilots. DO NOT ENGAGE ANY YAK BELOW 12,000 FEET which was their ceiling. The pilots were taught to FEAR the YAKS.
YOUR GONNA LOVE THESE YAKS...................AND YOU 109 LOVERS better invest in kleenex tissues and diapers....LMAO!
KIMO
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I recall the late war order being not to engage Yakolev fighters lacking the oil cooler under the nose below 5000 meters and not to engage Lavovhkin fighters below 4000 meters.
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From wikipedia "lend-lease."
In total, the US deliveries through Lend-Lease amounted to $11 billion in materials: over 400,000 jeeps and trucks; 12,000 armored vehicles (including 7,000 tanks); 11,400 aircraft and 1.75 million tons of food.[23]
"License built" mein arse.
So, yes, INCLUDING STALIN'S LUNCH!!
Like I said before these haterz(?) showed up, all this stuff is what caught Germany by surprise, at the very time when Germany's armies were furthest away from home. Hitler and his high command kept assuming the Soviets were about to colapse.
The prob was USA's car assembly lines were now making everything a war needed - Summed up, never had so much stuff ever been delivered in the history of this earth.
Can't argue with insanity, so I won't continue.
Allies won, Nazis got stomped into prompt non-existence. I'm sure that makes you really unhappy, but that's life, kiddo.
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Yeah, wiki lend-lease, signed march 1941. This when 'free stuff' was sent.
Let alone, USA was allowing 'allied trade' for war materials of any kind.
Hail Erich Topp for sinking the USA escort destroyer Reuben James before pearl harbor!
Everything I said is fact, no need for your bashing Germany falitically everytime you have even an ambiguity leg to stand on.
As a final post to you, nobody is bashing Germany, kid. Simply stating facts about the abhorrently awful Third Reich, which was rightfully pulverised by the Allies. Honestly, this post of yours pretty much shows your true colors, what with that comment about the sinking of the destroyer.
That's really special.
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It only happened because the alliance hated and feared the Germans more then we distrusted each other. Political ideology takes a back seat to survival instinct. The west needed the Soviets and visa-versa. Once that changed, and it did even before the end of the war, the entire thing began to unravel. Churchill especially hated and distrusted the Soviets and Roosevelt was no fool.
Some say we gave away the farm at Yalta but the truth is we did not. Even if we were contentious the result would have been the same so we might as well have hugged and kissed for the news papers.
I know American vehicle makers had a huge presence in the Soviet union even before the war. if I remember right even the famous Stalingrad tractor factory was run by American managers. Ford MoCo had huge contracts starting in the 30's, both for exports and for building under License.
1942 was the year Lend Lease really took off. Roosevelt himself kicked in the pants when he found out The War Dept. was hedging and hoarding cause they thought the Reds would lose for sure. But I do not know what sort of impact it had at Stalingrad. Besides Kursk was much more a turning point then Stalingrad was.
its interesting to note however that German production far outstripped Soviet production, quantity and quality, up to Stalingrad. The reds were quick to totally mobilize 100% on a war footing however. That and I think theres no doubt as a people they united and showed great courage.
Yeah, truth on that. Funny thing is, Khrushchev made more than a few attempts at actual peace with the United States, but our distrust of the Soviets derailed pretty much any progress that could've been made. Not that they didn't make missteps on their own, either: the Berlin Wall was a huge mistake (interestingly enough, in Khrushchev's own autobiography, he admits to this, though also explains that it, however unfortunately, did what it was intended to do). Corn was a mistake, too, but his heart was certainly in the right place.
Right. Soviet production did begin to explode past Germany's after Stalingrad, but most German equipment was still of higher quality. We didn't really start to see high-quality Soviet production until after Stalin's death (which, honestly, was long overdue).
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Stalin was a horrid dictator, the Soviet government sucked, Soviet brutality was horrific.
I'd still fight for the Soviet Union before I fought for the Third Reich though.
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I know American vehicle makers had a huge presence in the Soviet union even before the war.
Actually, I was referring to the trucks that crossed the border into the Soviet Union from Germany...
Like this Ford V3000
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f185/StirlingLowery/WallonieFord.jpg)
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YAK_YAK_YAK_YAK_YAK_YAK!!!!!
I went to a German WW2 site to get their view on the YAK3. It appears they were horribly afraid of the Yak. They taught their pilots to avoid all Yak confrontations except for the first model which only had a small number produced. That model had an oil filled cooling system which could easily be seen in the front. It wasn't as fast, couldn't go as high and had limited guns plus limited armament. The Germans were ordered to stay away from the later model which was air cooled and a totally different plane in terms of performance. In an air battle their were 4 yaks against 16 109's. Not one Yak was shot down and 7 109's bit the dust. In another conflict their were 12 Yaks against 40 109's. 3 Yaks were shot down 12 109's were blown to pieces and 3 limped home useless.
The German command sent orders to all pilots. DO NOT ENGAGE ANY YAK BELOW 12,000 FEET which was their ceiling. The pilots were taught to FEAR the YAKS.
YOUR GONNA LOVE THESE YAKS...................AND YOU 109 LOVERS better invest in kleenex tissues and diapers....LMAO!
KIMO
Was supply of MW-50 that limited late in the war? Was it limited only to few elite units?
If so then that explains later Yaks and LAV`s utter dominance and 109 and 190 being totally helpless below 5000m late in the war.
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Was supply of MW-50 that limited late in the war? Was it limited only to few elite units?
If so then that explains later Yaks and LAV`s utter dominance and 109 and 190 being totally helpless below 5000m late in the war.
when you're up against a plane that can out manuever you, is as fast or faster at 15,000ft and below, and can climb nearly as well, mw50 doesn't mean squat. there weren't a lot of k4s and d9s on the eastern front, they were heavily committed to the eto to fight the allied bombers.
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when you're up against a plane that can out manuever you, is as fast or faster at 15,000ft and below, and can climb nearly as well, mw50 doesn't mean squat. there weren't a lot of k4s and d9s on the eastern front, they were heavily committed to the eto to fight the allied bombers.
The MW-50 gives our 109G a pretty significant climb and speed boost. Without it our G is significantly slower than the Yak9U and with it it's about the even the whole way through the altitude spectrum. I don't know how well the Yak-3 will climb in comparison but certainly the MW-50 gives the Gustav a much needed edge.
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The MW-50 gives our 109G a pretty significant climb and speed boost. Without it our G is significantly slower than the Yak9U and with it it's about the even the whole way through the altitude spectrum.
Here's the plane the Yak-3 most likely fought against in the East on equal terms... if filled with MW-50 late in the war.
Picture a -9U as a Yak 3 below... but only a few mph slower
(http://www.hitechcreations.com/components/com_ahplaneperf/genchart.php?p1=24&p2=84&pw=2>ype=0&gui=localhost&itemsel=GameData)
I don't know how well the Yak-3 will climb in comparison but certainly the MW-50 gives the Gustav a much needed edge.
Word is that yak 3 will have slight advantage in climb over -9U, and I speculate Yak 3's climb rate at full throttle with no wep will almost mirror that of in-game Ki-84 running at full wep sans 70-second limit.
Ignore the Ki-84 MIL power. Focus on the Ki-84 WEP and imagine that's a Yak-3 at 100% throttle.
(http://www.hitechcreations.com/components/com_ahplaneperf/genchart.php?p1=24&p2=78&pw=1>ype=2&gui=localhost&itemsel=GameData)
(http://www.hitechcreations.com/wiki/images/7/71/109g14clmb.jpg)
(http://www.hitechcreations.com/components/com_ahplaneperf/genchart.php?p1=84&p2=78&pw=1>ype=2&gui=localhost&itemsel=GameData)
Yep, a late 109G-6 filled with MW-50 (what a G-14 essentially is) is more than a equalizer vs Yak-3
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I wonder how it would handle at slow speeds? Hopefully without the weird stall that the Yak9s have.
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You can compare all you like! Mr. Pirrine
But until we see how HTC has modeled the YAK3 none of those charts matter. Your comparing apples to oranges to avocados and olives.
Sorry but it just don't matter.
We just have to wait and see.
KIMO
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Time will tell. Sooner or later, time will tell.
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You can compare all you like! Mr. Pirrine
But until we see how HTC has modeled the YAK3 none of those charts matter. Your comparing apples to oranges to avocados and olives.
Sorry but it just don't matter.
We just have to wait and see.
KIMO
The aces high charts i posted above... is closer than you think
So I called it... Yak 3 powered by Klimov M-105PF-2 will basically have:
1) Yak-9U's speed profile but a few mph slower, and
2) Ki-84's WEP (as if it's running constant and no imposed limits...) initial climb rate
3) In the feel-of-the-flight department, i'd say it will be less front-heavy compared to yak-9U
Speed
(http://www.hitechcreations.com/components/com_ahplaneperf/genchart.php?p1=84&p2=24&pw=2>ype=0&gui=localhost&itemsel=GameData)
(http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e133/Kurfurst/47692658.jpg)
Climb
Focus on the Ki-84 WEP and imagine that's a Yak-3 at 100% throttle.
(http://www.hitechcreations.com/components/com_ahplaneperf/genchart.php?p1=84&p2=78&pw=1>ype=2&gui=localhost&itemsel=GameData)
(http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e133/Kurfurst/Kopie2von103.jpg)
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So, 1939, Germany invades western Poland and got their land back, Danzig Corridor etc, from legitimate 'territoial disputes and claims' and so England and France declare war. GERMANY WAS STILL WITHIN THEIR OLD PRE WW1 BORDERS.
England / France don't actually attck tho, Germans called this time period 'sitzkreig.'
England / France still had possesion of German's pre ww1 collonies. Possesion of stole property.
Etc etc etc... lots of post ww1 attrocities by allieds.
Not two weeks later, Russia invades eastern Poland, and England / France don't declare war.
Later on, Germany invades Russia, finds mass graves, including 15,000 masacred Polish officers. Germany offers full 109 escort to any 'international' Red Cross inspectors, but it gets denied by allieds.
After the war, eastern europe countries are not returned to the individual countries' governments, so the phrase "western betrayal' becomes an attitude.
Look up the song 'New dawn fades' by polish group Moby, the version from unrelated movie 'Heat' is best...
"Still occupied though you forget"
How about that Polish gerneral that was leading 'free Polish' armies along side allied armies, the guy was upset about the 15,000 etc, and he has 'an accident' on the way to a meeting, Malta was it? He was executed!
This is recent stuff, the guy wanted to be burried in a 'free Poland' and so late 90s(?) his grave gets moved to Poland, major news at the time.
Soooo, I'm not going to say, come to your own conclusions.
Oh, and Germany 'losing' is relavent, they took plenty of their enemies with them, and I'm sure this makes Fruda "unhappy!"
Ok "kiddo" :rofl
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Who are you fighting against?
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So, 1939, Germany invades western Poland and got their land back, Danzig Corridor etc, from legitimate 'territoial disputes and claims' and so England and France declare war. GERMANY WAS STILL WITHIN THEIR OLD PRE WW1 BORDERS.
Again it should be noted that this is factually incorrect, the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact resulted in German possession of territories that never belonged to the German Empire and some which I don't think ever even belonged to Prussia at the high water mark of its eastern borders.
Although alternative history from the board's resident Hollywood-educated Nazi-apologist is always entertaining.
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Wow that's actually a pretty significant jump in climb rate from the 9U to the 3. Considering the 3 does have a lower HP engine and such a higher HP/weight ratio apparently, presumably the same wing, elevator and aileron area though I don't know, it should be really interesting to see how it handles.
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it should be really interesting to see how it handles.
In my case, from the air into the ground. :bhead
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About "soviet supply poduction exploding past germanys"
Again, lend lease in full swing - usa made, usa paid all in russia.
Also, german armies were furthest from home.
Also USA BOMBERS exploding german factories from 30,000ft, so less production.
Fruda, why soooooooo much bias against the Reich? ;)
Educational purposes, now they might exume the Polish General, and I guess it was 22,000 captured officers masacred.
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Poland's+WWII+leader+to+be+exhumed+in+assassination+probe-a01611710257
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Whenever reading soviet "reports" i.e. propaganda on aerial victories one should take it with two grains of salt. Soviets bloated their reports intentionally to avoid being sent to gulags.
For example if you believed Soviet reports on warfare on Finnish front, the whole FAF would have been killed 3 times over. I guess FAF had AH2 planes with instant respawn ability...
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franz is in a 'what is the best dictatorship' contest :) very amusing if it was not MY yak thread. Get lost and create your own revisionist thread, Arschloch
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Again it should be noted that this is factually incorrect, the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact resulted in German possession of territories that never belonged to the German Empire and some which I don't think ever even belonged to Prussia at the high water mark of its eastern borders.
Although alternative history from the board's resident Hollywood-educated Nazi-apologist is always entertaining.
He isn't apologizing and he isn't all that far out in left field. It is sad that the first thing most people do is knee jerk when they hear "Germany" in the conversation of WWII they think "Nazi zombies". Just because someone brings to light certain things in WWII that most may not know about especially in regards to Germany it doesn't mean they are apologizing or siding with that occurrence. The sooner people leave their emotions on at the door when they study history the sooner they'll actually learn history. Read the facts, keep in mind the "sign-o-times" factor, and understand the differences in the cultures, technologies, etc.
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For example if you believed Soviet reports on warfare on Finnish front, the whole FAF would have been killed 3 times over. I guess FAF had AH2 planes with instant respawn ability...
Find me an air force that did not massively overclaim kills in WWII....
Certainly some were worse than others, but none were very good about it.
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:huh
So, 1939, Germany invades western Poland and got their land back, Danzig Corridor etc, from legitimate 'territoial disputes and claims' and so England and France declare war. GERMANY WAS STILL WITHIN THEIR OLD PRE WW1 BORDERS.
England / France don't actually attck tho, Germans called this time period 'sitzkreig.'
England / France still had possesion of German's pre ww1 collonies. Possesion of stole property.
Etc etc etc... lots of post ww1 attrocities by allieds.
Not two weeks later, Russia invades eastern Poland, and England / France don't declare war.
Later on, Germany invades Russia, finds mass graves, including 15,000 masacred Polish officers. Germany offers full 109 escort to any 'international' Red Cross inspectors, but it gets denied by allieds.
After the war, eastern europe countries are not returned to the individual countries' governments, so the phrase "western betrayal' becomes an attitude.
Look up the song 'New dawn fades' by polish group Moby, the version from unrelated movie 'Heat' is best...
"Still occupied though you forget"
How about that Polish gerneral that was leading 'free Polish' armies along side allied armies, the guy was upset about the 15,000 etc, and he has 'an accident' on the way to a meeting, Malta was it? He was executed!
This is recent stuff, the guy wanted to be burried in a 'free Poland' and so late 90s(?) his grave gets moved to Poland, major news at the time.
Soooo, I'm not going to say, come to your own conclusions.
Oh, and Germany 'losing' is relavent, they took plenty of their enemies with them, and I'm sure this makes Fruda "unhappy!"
Ok "kiddo" :rofl
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franz is in a 'what is the best dictatorship' contest :) very amusing if it was not MY yak thread. Get lost and create your own revisionist thread, Arschloch
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Yep, a late 109G-6 filled with MW-50 ...
I get the impression that you think mw-50 is some sort of special fuel. It's just water injection (with methanol as antifreeze).
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Yeah you can't really blame Hitler though. He served his country in the trenches and received nothing but criticism for his artwork which was unjustified and unfair. He was an artist of incredible talent and emotion. Had my work been criticized like that I would have probably been so angry I would have invaded Europe too.
One of his lesser known pieces for example: 'Verrat des deutschen Volkes' really captured his astute observation and ability to summarize the feelings of an entire nation.
I've included it here but you should pause for a moment and brace yourselves before scrolling down, it is a very emotive piece.
(http://www.kanoonintl.com/wp-content/uploads/Ali-Mesbah-6-Nova-Zagora-13th-Bulgaria-Honorable-Mention5.jpg)
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Teeeeeheeeehehehe.
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He isn't apologizing and he isn't all that far out in left field. It is sad that the first thing most people do is knee jerk when they hear "Germany" in the conversation of WWII they think "Nazi zombies". Just because someone brings to light certain things in WWII that most may not know about especially in regards to Germany it doesn't mean they are apologizing or siding with that occurrence. The sooner people leave their emotions on at the door when they study history the sooner they'll actually learn history. Read the facts, keep in mind the "sign-o-times" factor, and understand the differences in the cultures, technologies, etc.
nearly everything he's said in this thread has either been flat out wrong or a gross misleading exaggeration. that's not contributing anything to a discussion or bringing to light overlooked history, that's propaganda and it's poisonous.
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Franz whitewashes anything and everything that Germany did while pointing spotlights at anything the Allied nations, particularly the British whom he seems to have a particular problem with, did wrong.
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I've included it here but you should pause for a moment and brace yourselves before scrolling down, it is a very emotive piece.
(http://www.kanoonintl.com/wp-content/uploads/Ali-Mesbah-6-Nova-Zagora-13th-Bulgaria-Honorable-Mention5.jpg)
:cry :uhoh :x :banana: :old: :salute
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I get the impression that you think mw-50 is some sort of special fuel. It's just water injection (with methanol as antifreeze).
_I_know_what_MW-50_really_is_... but I just like to call it "The Juice" like because it really does transforms 109G-14 like this
(http://www.jmaxfitness.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/steroids-before-and-after-480x321.jpg)
And use The Juice sparingly because when it runs out it goes from
(http://www.hitechcreations.com/components/com_ahplaneperf/genchart.php?p1=84&p2=24&pw=1>ype=0&gui=localhost&itemsel=GameData)
to
(http://www.hitechcreations.com/components/com_ahplaneperf/genchart.php?p1=84&p2=24&pw=0>ype=0&gui=localhost&itemsel=GameData)
and be totally helpless against YAK-3/LAV-7 combo
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Gixer. Paging Gixer to general forums please. There's a relevant game topic that interests you that doesn't necessitate a fuss. Gixer to general forums please.
Gixer is "Persona Non Grata" this BBS since HT doesn't seem to like discussion about antiquated graphics.
In reply I've banned HT from my credit card for good and won't be returning, even with the recent Yak update which I've been waiting 9 years for.
Mainly for two main reasons.
1. Gameplay, horde & air quake mindset is destroying the game and the falling A2A and overall MA numbers reflect this especially off peak hours.
2. Game is seriously out dated now at a number of levels, terrain graphics is just one of them.
So enjoy the Yak, I won't be flying it or anything else. Been a interesting 13 years to say the least but imho AH is dying off (reflected in MA numbers) and it's just no longer worth $15 a month in it's current state, visually and game play.
Now back to iRacing :D
<S>...-Gixer
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what, they banned gixer? IIRC he stayed civil in the heated debate... banning him for his opinions is a bit disappointing
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Hate to see such a long time vet leave. You'll be missed Gixer, let me know if you ever find Concho :D
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I don't think Gixer was banned, he just decided to leave. I can't see anyone getting banned or even reprimanded for posting on the topic of AH graphics, for example Mitsu's just started a thread on it in the Wishlist forum. What Gixer did was post his complaints about it and the Yaks over and over in completely unrelated threads.
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It he was banned it wasn't for talking about graphics, but rather for being extremely abrasive, being factually incorrect and refusing to acknowledge any data that didn't support him and being insulting based on that.
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for example Mitsu's just started a thread on it in the Wishlist forum.
Ban him! :mad: :mad:
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Gixer goes down swinging! :rofl
Greebo nailed it. Gixer, the only reason I even made the silly comment I did is because your posts had become a broken record with a blue avatar. Consider it a compliment that I see Yak and think of Gixer. You seem like a good dude and were always a good fight. Hopefully you cool out and come back after a while... sans constant graphical fussing.
:salute
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The Yak-3 is a good enough reason for me to stick around another month.
Unfortunately I cant play later in the evening when most players are on and the day crowd isnt what it used to be. Add to this the large maps and all the GVs and you end up with very few dots. I think the game would be better off with two sides only.
Along with a graphics update.
I am really looking forward to this new Yak tho. The Yak is my fave fighter.
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Hopefully, the new patch will be out as soon as my motherboard is back. Can't wait to fly some Soviet high performance.
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So what should the ENY points be for Yak series?
Here's what I think it the ENY should be :aok
Yak 7 - 40
Yak 9T - 40
Yak 9M - 40
Yak 9U - 35
Yak 3 - 30
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Refreshing take on Yak series from the (Red Star) Military Channel :rock
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s382_MemQtU
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Gixer/Cato... Valid reasons for leaving.
:salute
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So what should the ENY points be for Yak series?
Here's what I think it the ENY should be :aok
Yak 7 - 40
Yak 9T - 40
Yak 9M - 40
Yak 9U - 35
Yak 3 - 30
9M?
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9M?
A Yak-9 variant with cockpit moved back to match Yak-9T.
or HTC could make a -9T/-9M hybrid out of this, and just call it the generic "Yak-9" for the in-game, and have 2 optional cannons... 37mm (-9T) and 20mm (-9M)
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I also think Yak series in this game should come with attactive ENY like I posted above. to prevent it from becoming a hangar queen.
The top Yaks shouldn't even be in the the ENY 25-20 group because:
1) they're short legged and come with no 'extenders' (unless HTC models Yak-9D)
2) paltry ammo... if you can't successfully hose a target using LA-5/7 then you're pretty much hopeless in the Yak series.
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I also think Yak series in this game should come with attactive ENY like I posted above. to prevent it from becoming a hangar queen.
The top Yaks shouldn't even be in the the ENY 25-20 group because:
1) they're short legged and come with no 'extenders' (unless HTC models Yak-9D)
2) paltry ammo... if you can't successfully hose a target using LA-5/7 then you're pretty much hopeless in the Yak series.
So basically give the yaks preferential treatment...
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So basically give the yaks preferential treatment...
The in-game 109G/K are heads and shoulders above the (projected) Yaks in climb/range/firepower and raw horsepower... thus the ENY for 109s reflect that.
I really doubt a Yak-9D will be modeled so I think it's definite to conclude Yaks and pretty much the Soviet fighter lineup will remain short legged.
Heck, graph wise, the Yak-3 won't be that far from Yak-9U and the earlier Yaks will be no better than P-40s.
I use 109 as an example because it's the main fighter the Yaks tangled with.
We gotta start initially with an attractive ENY not only because of the shortcomings I pointed above, but to also to keep the plane fresh and interest going. if Yak's 3 and 9U's presence does increase then the ENY should be adjusted.
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Actually some Yak9T's were converted under production to Yak9DD. So the generic Yak9 could offer the extra wing tanks as a load out option.
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Actually some Yak9T's were converted under production to Yak9DD. So the generic Yak9 could offer the extra wing tanks as a load out option.
Imagine the nose art on the Yak9 DD :D
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A pair of ...
Yeah, totally awesome.
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The Welch's agrees! We must have it :)
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So basically give the yaks preferential treatment...
Why not? Bf109s are already given similar preferential treatment.
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The in-game 109G/K are heads and shoulders above the (projected) Yaks in climb/range/firepower and raw horsepower... thus the ENY for 109s reflect that.
109K has been lowered to ENY 15, which I think is appropriate for the 30mm, and relative lack of maneuverability. The G-14 is ENY 20 now, I think, but I don't fly that model.
The rest are ENY 30 or 40, which is roughly appropriate for their capabilities, given their lack of stellar performance.
In my view, ENY 0-10 was always the super-fighters, and the ridiculously-high-usage aircraft. 10-20 was for the better than average fighters, those that have good performance, but are hampered in one way or another. ENY 20-30 for the average aircraft. 30-40 for the sub-par performers.
While the K4 is a very good fighter, by the time the pilot is skilled enough to make full usage of the aircraft, analysis of statistics would be judging the pilot more than the plane.
I really doubt a Yak-9D will be modeled so I think it's definite to conclude Yaks and pretty much the Soviet fighter lineup will remain short legged.
So are spitfires. And 109's, and 190's, etc. The biggest difference is that those fighters can take drop tanks, while the Yaks cannot, and that the Yaks are essentially running WEP all the time. The K4's flight time at WEP without a DT is only 23 minutes, IIRC.
Heck, graph wise, the Yak-3 won't be that far from Yak-9U and the earlier Yaks will be no better than P-40s.
And I think the Yak-9 should be a bit lower than its 23(?) ENY. Its a tad slower, but more maneuverable than average, with good climb, but relatively short range. That drops it into the 10-20 range.
The earlier Yaks, I would agree with. Although perhaps 30 ENY for the -7B and 9M, as IIRC they could make about 315mph at sea level.
I use 109 as an example because it's the main fighter the Yaks tangled with.
We gotta start initially with an attractive ENY not only because of the shortcomings I pointed above, but to also to keep the plane fresh and interest going. if Yak's 3 and 9U's presence does increase then the ENY should be adjusted.
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Why not? Bf109s are already given similar preferential treatment.
Not really after the updated ENY; the K4 should be about 15 IMO, as should the D9. ENY 20 fits the G-14, given its dog-like performance off of WEP. 30 ENY is right about what the early G and F models should be.
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The Bf109K-4 is superior to the Spitfire Mk XIV as modeled in the game, yet the Spit has the ENY 5 and the K-4 the ENY 15. The Bf109F-4 had, for a long time, an ENY 35 to the less used, less successful Spitfire Mk V's ENY 25.
Bf109s have consistently had ENYs that made them great perk farmers because the bang for the buck is so much higher than other high ENY fighters.
Don't get me wrong, there are other fighters that seem favored like that too, but to preemptively object about the Yak's maybe getting the same treatment is silly.
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The Bf109K-4 is superior to the Spitfire Mk XIV as modeled in the game, yet the Spit has the ENY 5 and the K-4 the ENY 15. The Bf109F-4 had, for a long time, an ENY 35 to the less used, less successful Spitfire Mk V's ENY 25.
Bf109s have consistently had ENYs that made them great perk farmers because the bang for the buck is so much higher than other high ENY fighters.
Don't get me wrong, there are other fighters that seem favored like that too, but to preemptively object about the Yak's maybe getting the same treatment is silly.
The assumption being I like the weird ENY, or that that what ENY values WERE at has any relevance right after an ENY change?
Never said I'll want the Spit XIV at ENY 5. Never said the F-4 should be 35, while the Spit V is 25.
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Refreshing take on Yak series from the (Red Star) Military Channel :rock
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s382_MemQtU
Thank you Perrine. Spent hours watching ww2 and modern Russian films looking for PBP reticle. Came up with two. Early and Late. Updated these to the historic pack and will release when HTC releases the new Yaks. Seems these also show up in reflector sights for manned ack and the Late was used up to early Mig15 before radar tracking sights.
PBP1 Early. 100Mil main ring
(http://imageshack.us/a/img33/3480/gxfi.gif)
PBP1 Late. 120Mil main ring
(http://imageshack.us/a/img694/7042/riz.gif)
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I suspect ENY, like the whole perk system itself, is based on usage numbers, not performance. The whole point of having a perk system is to promote variety.
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I suspect ENY, like the whole perk system itself, is based on usage numbers, not performance.
ENY values would be very much different then. If it were only about usage, SPit 14 would be more like 15-20, the 110G would be closer to 5.
In the end, it's about all of it - air to air potentiol, air to ground capability, "arena impact", plain usage...
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You say that without actually knowing the usage numbers. To my knowledge HTC has never published them.
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You say that without actually knowing the usage numbers. To my knowledge HTC has never published them.
What are usage numbers exactly? Number of sorties? Flying times in particular planes?
As a matter of fact, for fighters and vehicles (actually for most planes sans a few exceptions), the amount of 'usage' can be pretty good determined by adding up their kills and deaths (+ some measure of actual experience in the MA) :)
When the Spit 14 has about the same number of kills and deaths as the Spit 9 or Spit 8, and the Spit 16 has more than twice the number of K+D than any of them, it says a lot about general "usage" (and impact). Note that these numbers are also not fluctuating wildly, but are very much consistent over long times.
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It seems like it is based on perk point accumulation:
... This is a purely a game system for the main arena. How a plane gets classified only has to do with how it affects the main arena, not with how it served historically...
I couldn't even tell you what a future perk plane would cost because that's based on point accumulation rates.
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I think you are misinterpreting the second quote.
It's from the time where the perk system was about to get introduced. He states he can't tell the perk price of a future perk plane at that time, becasue they don't have any idea how quickly players are accumulating the perks - they simply had no experience with that yet.
It does not say ENY is based (only) on "perk accumulation rate". Though that may, of course, play a role.
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I suspect ENY, like the whole perk system itself, is based on usage numbers, not performance. The whole point of having a perk system is to promote variety.
Perks are not based on usage nor is it used to promote variety.
ack-ack
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What is it then, and how do you know?
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From the HTC webpage:
"The perk system is a way for HTC to introduce some interesting but otherwise unbalancing planes on a limited basis but the benefits go deeper than that. Perk planes (and vehicles) would be things like Me 262s, Ta 152s, Tempests, B-29s, Ar 234s, Tiger IIs, etc. These are interesting rides but would be very unbalancing if they were available on an unlimited basis. So there won't be unlimited availability but they'll be available as bonuses or perks every so often. "
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But that says nothing about what the perk cost is based on.
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Welcome to aces high, sometimes the rules are subjective and known by htc only!
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So what?
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From the HTC webpage:
"The perk system is a way for HTC to introduce some interesting but otherwise unbalancing planes on a limited basis but the benefits go deeper than that. Perk planes (and vehicles) would be things like Me 262s, Ta 152s, Tempests, B-29s, Ar 234s, Tiger IIs, etc. These are interesting rides but would be very unbalancing if they were available on an unlimited basis. So there won't be unlimited availability but they'll be available as bonuses or perks every so often. "
They need to take out the bit about the Ta-152, since it's no longer perked.
The thing about the 152 and Spitfire Mk. XIV is that while they are absolutely outstanding aircraft, few people have the patience to learn to use them properly.
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They need to take out the bit about the Ta-152, since it's no longer perked.
The thing about the 152 and Spitfire Mk. XIV is that while they are absolutely outstanding aircraft, few people have the patience to learn to use them properly.
I think it's more of a case of "there are better planes that do the same thing better, why bother flying these?". And I have to disagree on the outstanding part...decent planes? Yea. Outstanding? Nah. A 109K4 is outstanding, a Spit16 is outstanding, a Spit14 is not.
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I've seen the 152 being flown outstandingly before.
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I've seen the 152 being flown outstandingly before.
I've seena P40E flown outstandingly before. Should that be perked as well?
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I've seena P40E flown outstandingly before. Should that be perked as well?
I didn't say anything about the 152 being perked?
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a Spit14 is not.
Since when?
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I think it's more of a case of "there are better planes that do the same thing better, why bother flying these?". And I have to disagree on the outstanding part...decent planes? Yea. Outstanding? Nah. A 109K4 is outstanding, a Spit16 is outstanding, a Spit14 is not.
in what universe? the spit14 just has smaller training wheels than the spit16...
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So what?
Its ok with me! Was just pointing out
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Yeah I was thinking that. There's no negative consequence I can think of.
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That quote is as old as you being on the forums....... It was also wayyyy before a B29 ever existed.
They need to take out the bit about the Ta-152, since it's no longer perked.
The thing about the 152 and Spitfire Mk. XIV is that while they are absolutely outstanding aircraft, few people have the patience to learn to use them properly.
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I've seen the 152 being flown outstandingly before.
That just means a good pilot, give the same pilot a 190D9 or similar but better plane and he can do much better in it.
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That just means a good pilot, give the same pilot a 190D9 or similar but better plane and he can do much better in it.
I've always felt the D9 sucks. The ONLY thing it has going for it that I can't get in another 190 is speed, and you trade off maneuverability. In general, I feel like its just inferior in AH combat, regardless of its historical success or advantages.
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Wait a minute -- the P-40E isn't perked?! Scandalous!
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Well I have to say the Yak-3 is actually better than I thought it would be and I thought it would be damn fine. What a great little ride. Nice to see we can load a 20mm in the Yak-9T as well. The Yak-7B isn't bad...but it's not a LWA ride...not bad though. An average decent plane for 1942.
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I've always felt the D9 sucks. The ONLY thing it has going for it that I can't get in another 190 is speed, and you trade off maneuverability. In general, I feel like its just inferior in AH combat, regardless of its historical success or advantages.
Speed is negligible in BnZ tactics? Not only in general but especially compared to the 152 whose main flaw is lack of briskness in all axes and acceleration.
Maybe answer in a new thread.
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Speed is negligible in BnZ tactics? Not only in general but especially compared to the 152 whose main flaw is lack of briskness in all axes and acceleration.
Maybe answer in a new thread.
Top end speed can be made up for with altitude. The D9 diving on you may actually be LESS dangerous than the A5 or A8, simply because hes going to be lighter armed. Besides that, if things slow down, the D9 is possibly the 2nd worst 190 you can be in, beaten out only by the 190F8.
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No, that's not how the D9 works. It can pressure an opponent better and faster than the A5 and A8.
The A5, D9, 152, are all in a class of their own compared to the A8 and F8 for slower fight.. Each of the three have their own means to, all things considered, be arguably just as good a 190 to survive with.
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190D is one of those planes that's easy to fly (all x/y/z controls feels harmonized) but dang impossible to do 1-on-1 dogfight in.
I think i've heard an axiom somewhere when it comes to fighter aircraft(forgot the exact quote) but it basically comes down to this:
1. stable plane/platform = less 'manuverable' (in a 'TnB' sense)
2. plane that's inherently unstable = manuverable (in a 'TnB' sense)
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The D9 diving on you may actually be LESS dangerous than the A5 or A8, simply because hes going to be lighter armed. Besides that, if things slow down, the D9 is possibly the 2nd worst 190 you can be in, beaten out only by the 190F8.
The D9 is less dangerous because it is just that more likely that the pilot is clueless. For the same reasons, the most dangerous P47 is the D11 and the most dangerous 109 is the F4/G2. When you meet one it is very likely to be flown by a pilot well above average.
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Definitely had fun trying out the other Yaks.. and dying quite well in them. :D Did snag a couple kills in my tater-gun 9T last night. Satisfying watching that 37mm rip the back half off of a Typhoon as I pulled up to his belly.