General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Animl-AW on August 06, 2024, 08:05:21 PM
Title: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: Animl-AW on August 06, 2024, 08:05:21 PM
Aug, 6, 7:15 ct.
Player A Bish Player B Knit - Sqd = Ghost Player Me Knit
Fight between Nits and Bish Player A with odd plane movements, I land a few hits and suddenly he's nose to nose firing and I die. No biggy, he likes to kill me.
Take off from a base where Player B is also at. 10 min into grabbing alt in the middle of nowhere, no dar, Player A flies directly to me for kill #2. It caught my attention because this is the 3-4th time he has flown exactly to me in the middle of nowhere with no dar in the last few months.
Player B gets killed by Player A also, Player B responds with "good shots".
Another player posted on 200, a shade account killing a shade account, ironic.
Player B responds in the similar sentence structure as the usual Player A, asking who they thought he was.
I look at Player B's score, 10 sorites - 9 kills, 1 assist.
The battle between Bish and Knits dies. SO I thought, if Player A wants more fights he'll have to go after Rooks.
If my hunch of a connection here is right Player B will switch from Knits to Rooks, and Player A will start killing Rooks.
Sure enough Player B switches to Rooks and Player A starts killing Rooks, exactly as I predicted.
I always wondered how Player A can accurately target single players all night, flying exactly to them no matter where they are.
I mention the score and switches on 200 and Player A logs off.
There's a fowl scent in the air
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: JimmyD3 on August 06, 2024, 08:46:04 PM
And the film is where? :headscratch:
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: nopoop on August 06, 2024, 09:22:21 PM
I was always bad at letters..
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: Animl-AW on August 06, 2024, 09:25:24 PM
Didn't claim anything. Never mentioned a name, here or on 200
I was there and have the film of wrecker getting called a shade right after I killed him. I have the same film of him saying "good shots" to me.
I'll post the film if you'd like me to show you quoting Wrecker's stats and then harassing him, but trying to do it in such a way you could deny you were referring to him. You can't lie your way out of it.
A quick forum search would reveal he's been here for over a decade.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: Animl-AW on August 06, 2024, 10:13:03 PM
I was there and have the film of wrecker getting called a shade right after I killed him. I'll post the film if you'd like me to show you quoting Wrecker's stats and then harassing him, but trying to do it in such a way you could deny you were referring to him. You can't lie your way out of it.
A quick forum search would reveal he's been here for over a decade.
Don't give 3 flying rats butts what you do.
I need to go to Las Vegas
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: Wrecker on August 07, 2024, 12:06:53 AM
Hey All <S>, I haven't really posted on here in what, 20 years? I flew pretty regularly in the 200#s as a member of the GHOSTS and enjoyed the game a lot and honestly felt like I did pretty well. I went off to college, moved away, then started a family. Within the past few months I have found myself with some free time and returned to the game and have been enjoying it, but have found the community to be pretty hostile to be fair. I have always been a Rook and so has my father, Havoc. We restarted the GHOSTS (just the two of us) and I now find myself being called a "shade" for one of the more divisive characters in the game.
He's a good pilot and honestly I'm flattered, but I am not Skyyr. I'm just a guy sitting here in Oregon with my old Logitech Extreme 3D Pro casually gaming away when able between micro screen freezes.
If you want to continue to think I'm not who I am, that's fine, I hope it doesn't lessen your enjoyment of what seems to the death throes of the game.
<S>
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: scott66 on August 07, 2024, 12:18:19 AM
Hey All <S>, I haven't really posted on here in what, 20 years? I flew pretty regularly in the 200#s as a member of the GHOSTS and enjoyed the game a lot and honestly felt like I did pretty well. I went off to college, moved away, then started a family. Within the past few months I have found myself with some free time and returned to the game and have been enjoying it, but have found the community to be pretty hostile to be fair. I have always been a Rook and so has my father, Havoc. We restarted the GHOSTS (just the two of us) and I now find myself being called a "shade" for one of the more divisive characters in the game.
He's a good pilot and honestly I'm flattered, but I am not Skyyr. I'm just a guy sitting here in Oregon with my old Logitech Extreme 3D Pro casually gaming away when able between micro screen freezes.
If you want to continue to think I'm not who I am, that's fine, I hope it doesn't lessen your enjoyment of what seems to the death throes of the game.
<S>
hmmmmm that's just something skyyr would say !! Lol jk hey what I'm in albany Oregon well most of the time glad you are back see you in the skies Mr skyyr ... I mean wrecker hehe
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: xanax on August 07, 2024, 02:17:26 AM
Within the past few months I have found myself with some free time and returned to the game and have been enjoying it, but have found the community to be pretty hostile to be fair. I have always been a Rook and so has my father, Havoc. We restarted the GHOSTS (just the two of us) and I now find myself being called a "shade" for one of the more divisive characters in the game.
<S>
That's great you are having fun flying with your dad. I'd love to get my dad into this stuff but he has no interest. If you could fish from the planes, he'd try it I guess.
Don't listen to any of the drivel in this place or the sewage in the arena, it takes away from the fun and means nothing.
In fact, I should listen to my own advice in that regard.
You and Scott66 are in Oregon, I'm just across the river in Camas...... I was wondering what that smell was wafting up across the river. :P
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: SNO on August 07, 2024, 06:49:58 AM
I will vouch for Wrecker, he is not Skyrr. I flew with Wrecker years ago when he was a teenager as he said so welcome him back and stay off his ankle. Animl probably thinks this as he was flying a TA last night pretty darn good as well. Welcome back Wrecker and I’m glad you are doing well :salute
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: JimmyD3 on August 07, 2024, 06:54:22 AM
ANY additional player to this game should be welcomed with open arms. :rock More players, more targets. :x
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: Animl-AW on August 07, 2024, 08:38:24 AM
I didn't not mention names for a reason, hence the title too.
Just because a man runs by a bank that is robbed, doesn't mean he robbed it.
When someone plays goofy ways, they open themselves to goofy suspicions.
When a player can accurately find and kill a specific grudge target over and over, up to 6-7 times in a row, they open themselves up to questions.
Had the switch gone to Bish I'd have nothing to say. But when I can very accurately predict a situation I need to retire and go to Vegas. I predicted what two players would do up to the second, that would kick start anyone.
Again, when a player can accurately know where someone is always at, fly straight to them, targeting them over and over to harass them and humiliate them on 200 and bbs, they open themselves up to suspect.
I never called anyone a cheater ever. I'm not a competitive player, I don't care about score nor who kills me how many times. I don't play to be the best of anything. I'm sure it shows.
Of course I welcome anyone and everyone. I even supported Skyyr's return on a post of 50 pages saying no. I did not play when certain events took place, I witnessed nothing, I know nothing about them first hand. I do know I've watch said person find and kill the same person over and over, always knowing where they are and what they are flying. This is NOT the first time this has been brought up.
If I had a suggestion to stop such suspicions it would be to stop targeting individuals over and over to harass them. I take no responsibility for the picture one paints of themself, nor the suspect situations they create.
I had a strange observation that fit repeat situations. Nothing more, nothing less. I mentioned no names.
I'm going to go buy a lotto ticket.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: Animl-AW on August 07, 2024, 08:51:33 AM
I was there and have the film of wrecker getting called a shade right after I killed him. I have the same film of him saying "good shots" to me.
I'll post the film if you'd like me to show you quoting Wrecker's stats and then harassing him, but trying to do it in such a way you could deny you were referring to him. You can't lie your way out of it.
A quick forum search would reveal he's been here for over a decade.
As I stated on the films page and will repeat. I lied about NOTHING, I have nothing to lie myself out of. Only the logs prove my point of predictions. You think you're so damn smart that you missed my point TOTALLY. You can insert ANY name. The fight matters not, the words spoken matters not. Nothing you posted matters at all, it proves ZERO.
I predicted a situation and you have zero film of that, nothing you say or do effects that. The question remains, how do you always know where a grudge target is and fly directly to them to over and over. Your videos do not answer that. Your videos do not dispell my predictions. All you did was brought names into the spotlight, nothing more. I didn't do that. Had you not done that no one would have a clue who the hell I was talking about. You exposed that. You filled in the blanks. You proved nothing but a name.
How you always know where a grudge target is is the subject, the name is not the subject. The perceived tactic is not the subject. How you always know where someone is, no matter how you do it, IS the subject.
I protected him by NOT mentioning a name. YOU dragged the guy into the spotlight yourself. The spotlight is you and your actions.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: LCADolby on August 07, 2024, 08:58:50 AM
Right that's the BBS read, I think I have absorbed enough stupidity for one day
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: Animl-AW on August 07, 2024, 09:16:56 AM
Tactic freak situation or not, take note where the crickets start.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: Animl-AW on August 07, 2024, 09:18:55 AM
Right that's the BBS read, I think I have absorbed enough stupidity for one day
You mean like the 50+ anti-Skyyr pages you incited? Pot meet kettle
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: Twizzty on August 07, 2024, 10:32:40 AM
Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: waystin2 on August 07, 2024, 11:40:21 AM
Oh a purse fight! :aok
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: DmonSlyr on August 07, 2024, 11:46:50 AM
For the record: targeting individuals no matter where they fly, for whatever country they are on, is why so many players have left, including myself. The strategy of the intended purpose of the game is dead.
Since Hitech thinks targeting is fine, after multiple videos, multiple players, and multiple examples have been sent to HTC with no disciplinary actions. I and many others no longer support $15 a month for 10 hours to play a month if I'm lucky.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: Banshee7 on August 07, 2024, 11:54:10 AM
I didn't know that many had left recently.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: Skyyr on August 07, 2024, 12:29:14 PM
I hope your financial situation improves soon. I'll gladly pay a sub for you if needed. Just let me know.
<S>
It's not about the money for me. Ive paid every month I think since 2013. It's about the money for Hitech, since he refuses to make any adjustments to the current strategic aspect to gameplay and what it means to be a MMO game/simulator. And it's about me not enjoying this gameplay anymore. I've spoken with my words for a long while, but now I've got to speak with my wallet. I appreciate that though. Go ahead pay for another account in my honor.
:salute
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: Skyyr on August 07, 2024, 02:07:07 PM
Guess that makes up for 9 or 10 years. Wonder how many have you run off since your return?
If true, I’m always glad some brings in players.
This was not a vendetta post, I’m a big boy and I don’t cry about losing a fight, I get a brand new plane and ammo. He didn’t do anything “wrong”, I just picked up on something.
This was about a scenario I observed.
Going along with a few here. Skyyr, your antics have caused harm, and someone willfully causes harm after we work to get numbers up, that sets me off. I don’t care that you don’t care.
I gave a wise old man suggestion,.. stop targeting and harassing players. Our game is more important to us than your ego.
I let some things pass to stay clear of drama. But when you went after a nice guy like Eagler, we have problems. Eagler provokes no one. Yet you shredded him in open air.
Had you not done things like that I would have never even thought as about it. Your actions bring this attention.
I hope you get your ego ducks in a row and we can retain those you piss off, chase off, and yourself. Chances are you didn’t technically cheat, I never said you did.’
If you love the game its time you show respect for it and the players, especially those who salute you after losing as good sports just to get snubbed.
Stop harassing our players. Just play the game and allow others to have their fun too. Everyone plays for different reasons and styles. We’re not here for your approval.
I don’t like being this guy, but I will.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: Pluto on August 07, 2024, 04:06:47 PM
For the record: targeting individuals no matter where they fly, for whatever country they are on, is why so many players have left, including myself.
That sounds like something a modern journalist, with an agenda, would write. Maybe that's true for the few that had egos to maintain, but I would say the 1v8, race for the kill hordes, and general lame game play is what caused most to leave.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: ZE on August 07, 2024, 04:30:58 PM
Hey All <S>, returned to the game and have been enjoying it, but have found the community to be pretty hostile to be fair. I have always been a Rook and so has my father, Havoc. <S>
Hey Wrecker... Welcome back... :salute to HAVOC...
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: Eagler on August 07, 2024, 04:59:03 PM
Thanks for the support Animl-AW..it's just a game.. :airplane:
If my repeated demise on yt brings new players to the game, I am all for it..sky you go girl! lol
:cheers:
Eagler
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: Banshee7 on August 07, 2024, 05:55:43 PM
That sounds like something a modern journalist, with an agenda, would write. Maybe that's true for the few that had egos to maintain, but I would say the 1v8, race for the kill hordes, and general lame game play is what caused most to leave.
And then when you kill them a few times they change fronts and the only fight between those two countries dies....
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: LilMak on August 07, 2024, 06:08:12 PM
I blame most of that on proximity dar. Makes it incredibly easy for peeps to pick and avoid any kind of consequences.
The dot dar I find to be preferable, showing the direction of planes makes fighting the horde even more difficult. I doubt we’d see a change back to it but it had some element of fog of war.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: Animl-AW on August 08, 2024, 07:39:43 AM
That sounds like something a modern journalist, with an agenda, would write. Maybe that's true for the few that had egos to maintain, but I would say the 1v8, race for the kill hordes, and general lame game play is what caused most to leave.
What kills me about players leaving bc lame game play is, compared to other sims where they go,….its worse. Frankly, there are irritants in every game, but I have a good time in AH, maybe because I’m not trying to be a pilot god. Different perspective.
The grass is not always greener, in fact, usually a myth. One of those careful what ya wish for things.
The more people play, the more people play, the fun just goes up.
Even in relationships, ya get burned out on each other, split up, then ya try something else and start missing your ex, IF ya didn’t burn the whole bridge down.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: LilMak on August 08, 2024, 08:52:02 AM
The dot dar I find to be preferable, showing the direction of planes makes fighting the horde even more difficult. I doubt we’d see a change back to it but it had some element of fog of war.
It’s not the radar icons and direction of flight I’m referring to. It’s the fact that every plane and vehicle in game is an awacs now. It eliminates any fog at all and allows people to dog pile on single cons as well avoid fights that aren’t in their favor. It also detracts from the advantage radar towers deliver. Hell, you don’t even need to look out the window or rock your wings to know exactly where enemies are.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: Eagler on August 08, 2024, 08:55:52 AM
Regardless what the dar settings are seems to me that allowing multiple accounts provides the needed work around that can provide the same info..at a higher cost of course...probably why it's permitted imo
Eagler
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: DmonSlyr on August 08, 2024, 09:02:23 AM
The current Dar and current kill messages are ruining any strategy at all in the game. May as well be just be a big match play arena. Once your name shows up that you killed someone, it completely ruins your strategic position. Now they all know it's you and can shape their fighting style to create the advantage over you because you don't know who the players are coming after you. And they can look on the map and be-line it right to your dot on the map. Sigh.
There was never any adjustments made to current Dar. It was either this way or the old way. I didn't like that choice. There should be no dots at all outside of radar range. Bombers should not show as bombers. It completely gives them away. Then you have the resupply crap as well that defeats all purpose.
While sure, the other games don't provide as good of gameplay, yet. They are catching up, and HTCs ignoring poor gameplay is catching up, as we've seen with the poor #s the last 2 months.
I find no reason to play being gamed off my position while in flight when I'm trying to defend or be a strategic fighter to help save a field.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: LilMak on August 08, 2024, 09:06:27 AM
Regardless what the dar settings are seems to me that allowing multiple accounts provides the needed work around that can provide the same info..at a higher cost of course...probably why it's permitted imo
Eagler
It’s apparently allowed as long as you don’t share accounts. There have been multiple account holders for quite some time. Most people appear not to have used it as a gaming advantage. Some. Not so much.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: DmonSlyr on August 08, 2024, 09:29:44 AM
Multiple accounts for kids/family to play in the same house, or for friends to play, or flying them at once is one thing.
Using multiple accounts to game any side at any time to target specific players and see all 3 sides at a whim to see positions is well... ghey.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: Animl-AW on August 08, 2024, 09:49:29 AM
The current Dar and current kill messages are ruining any strategy at all in the game. May as well be just be a big match play arena. Once your name shows up that you killed someone, it completely ruins your strategic position. Now they all know it's you and can shape their fighting style to create the advantage over you because you don't know who the players are coming after you. And they can look on the map and be-line it right to your dot on the map. Sigh.
There was never any adjustments made to current Dar. It was either this way or the old way. I didn't like that choice. There should be no dots at all outside of radar range. Bombers should not show as bombers. It completely gives them away. Then you have the resupply crap as well that defeats all purpose.
While sure, the other games don't provide as good of gameplay, yet. They are catching up, and HTCs ignoring poor gameplay is catching up, as we've seen with the poor #s the last 2 months.
Same numbers we had last ummer prime time. Its summer. Sept -oct they hopefully start climbing again for high winter numbers. I keep track 110-130, same I find no reason to play being gamed off my position while in flight when I'm trying to defend or be a strategic fighter to help save a field.
Worst time of yr to estimate numbers.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: Skyyr on August 08, 2024, 09:51:06 AM
Using multiple accounts to game any side at any time to target specific players and see all 3 sides at a whim to see positions is well... ghey.
Using accounts to spy while flying on a different country than the one you are flying on is cheating, per Hitech. Using different accounts to switch to a different fight/front is not.
Like many others have said, switching the side-switch timer to a lesser value would fix the need for multiple accounts. Right now, in-game, there are ZERO fights on the Rook front. ZERO. Someone stuck on Rooks would just have to log out.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: LilMak on August 08, 2024, 10:41:02 AM
Back in the day it only took one plane to get a fight started. Now it takes two or three players to get the alarm bell ringing but it’s still easy enough. Some people are just too lazy to even try.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: Banshee7 on August 08, 2024, 10:56:16 AM
Someone stuck on Rooks would just have to log out.
And, as previously stated, that is what they want.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: JimmyD3 on August 08, 2024, 01:35:39 PM
Just as an added point on the "fights" issue, the larger maps by their very nature, reduced the strategic impact of strat damage as they were more difficult to get to.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: Dadtallica on August 08, 2024, 01:45:24 PM
Just as an added point on the "fights" issue, the larger maps by their very nature, reduced the strategic impact of strat damage as they were more difficult to get to.
6-8 sectors round trip is my limit to travel to strats. I only play for like an hour a night though.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: Animl-AW on August 08, 2024, 02:44:59 PM
I think some of the settings some complain about are to help new players they get lost without the unrealistic aid settings, they be real lost if it was full realism. Gotta give and take. It was amazing in AW full realism and relaxed realism, FR barely had anyone playing it towards the end.
Not everyone likes what you think they would. When it came down to it
I made realistic damage model. RR didn’t care for it as much as FR
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: LilMak on August 08, 2024, 04:07:36 PM
I think some of the settings some complain about are to help new players they get lost without the unrealistic aid settings, they be real lost if it was full realism. Gotta give and take. It was amazing in AW full realism and relaxed realism, FR barely had anyone playing it towards the end.
Not everyone likes what you think they would. When it came down to it
I made realistic damage model. RR didn’t care for it as much as FR
We don’t really have any new players. I’m more concerned with retaining the old dogs and maybe bringing some folks back. Most of the “updates” seem to support the attraction of new players at the expense of the core of the folks that are still here. Before everything, this is/was a flight sim that struck the right balance of fun and immersion. The latest tendency to try to make things easier has backfired quite a bit in my opinion. Some of the intangible things that made the game more challenging like SA are being sacrificed in the name of easily finding enemies which was never hard to begin with.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: Animl-AW on August 08, 2024, 04:26:00 PM
We don’t really have any new players. I’m more concerned with retaining the old dogs and maybe bringing some folks back. Most of the “updates” seem to support the attraction of new players at the expense of the core of the folks that are still here. Before everything, this is/was a flight sim that struck the right balance of fun and immersion. The latest tendency to try to make things easier has backfired quite a bit in my opinion. Some of the intangible things that made the game more challenging like SA are being sacrificed in the name of easily finding enemies which was never hard to begin with.
Totally get that.
Me thinks III came too late
There might be some hang up changing settings. I recklessly assume some of these are 10 min changes. Anything that has to update exe files is prolly out of the question.
In the end, I’d rather play what we have than other options. None of this stuff bothers me to the point of not playing at all.
I left in II, III id still kinda newish to me. I’m good.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: LilMak on August 09, 2024, 09:31:10 AM
There might be some hang up changing settings. I recklessly assume some of these are 10 min changes. Anything that has to update exe files is prolly out of the question.
In the end, I’d rather play what we have than other options. None of this stuff bothers me to the point of not playing at all.
I left in II, III id still kinda newish to me. I’m good.
The update to the radar (the awacs part) and kill messages came well after III was released if memory serves. Radar values can easily be changed in arena settings. It’s changed all the time for scenarios and FSO. Although the lower numbers and kill message thing makes it substantially easier to grief players without actually resorting to dubious means, it doesn’t bother me nearly as much as the radar settings. The awacs thing destroys fights and makes it much harder for smaller groups to combat larger ones.
I’ve spent the majority of my time in AH flying (stupidly) into the biggest red darbars on the maps. Before the radar change, I could fly headlong into 10 players and maybe dispatch one or two before getting clobbered. Now, as soon as I come in icon range of the first enemy, all 10 of those plots will instantly converge on me and I’ll have 2 or 3 of them saddled up before I can make a turn or two after the initial contact. Then there’s GVs which I can’t even see parked under trees giving me away because I’m in their icon range but they’re not in mine. So even if I’m not in range of any aircraft and there’s a tank near by, I’m being painted on radar to the entire other country and they can extrapolate (rather quickly) that I’m low and exactly what direction I’m headed. So I can’t even up from a base that’s under attack and have breathing room to get any speed or altitude before a horde is descending on my exact position.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: Banshee7 on August 09, 2024, 09:52:47 AM
I’ve spent the majority of my time in AH flying (stupidly) into the biggest red darbars on the maps. Before the radar change, I could fly headlong into 10 players and maybe dispatch one or two before getting clobbered. Now, as soon as I come in icon range of the first enemy, all 10 of those plots will instantly converge on me and I’ll have 2 or 3 of them saddled up before I can make a turn or two after the initial contact. Then there’s GVs which I can’t even see parked under trees giving me away because I’m in their icon range but they’re not in mine. So even if I’m not in range of any aircraft and there’s a tank near by, I’m being painted on radar to the entire other country and they can extrapolate (rather quickly) that I’m low and exactly what direction I’m headed. So I can’t even up from a base that’s under attack and have breathing room to get any speed or altitude before a horde is descending on my exact position.
Welcome to the meat grinder where you are bombarded by suckage :rofl. It definitely sucks. Hording has always been a thing, but like you said, you had to actually be in visual range. There are squads that will literally all converge and pounce on one player, giving up their alt and E just to get one kill and 5 assists as soon as an icon appears on the map. I have also seen players turn around and run before they were even in icon range. I've had to definitely change my flying style since my return. It's less fun, but in order to survive the mediocrity you sometimes have to adopt their methods...
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: The Fugitive on August 09, 2024, 10:25:38 AM
Welcome to the meat grinder where you are bombarded by suckage :rofl. It definitely sucks. Hording has always been a thing, but like you said, you had to actually be in visual range. There are squads that will literally all converge and pounce on one player, giving up their alt and E just to get one kill and 5 assists as soon as an icon appears on the map. I have also seen players turn around and run before they were even in icon range. I've had to definitely change my flying style since my return. It's less fun, but in order to survive the mediocrity you sometimes have to adopt their methods...
.....and that is one of the things killing the game off. I dont want to have to fly "like them", I have fun flying the way I want. That has always been what makes this game great, the diversity of playing styles. Take away a players fun and they leave.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: waystin2 on August 09, 2024, 11:24:54 AM
.....and that is one of the things killing the game off. I dont want to have to fly "like them", I have fun flying the way I want. That has always been what makes this game great, the diversity of playing styles. Take away a players fun and they leave.
:aok Truth from the Fugi!
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: Banshee7 on August 09, 2024, 11:44:05 AM
.....and that is one of the things killing the game off. I dont want to have to fly "like them", I have fun flying the way I want. That has always been what makes this game great, the diversity of playing styles. Take away a players fun and they leave.
Yep. It's what I've been preaching for the last year or so. I can only name two players that have actually left the game due to the player this thread was started over and his "activities." However, I can name at least 10 that have left because of the current playstyle of the masses. I have been considering it myself, and I was a player that said I'd be here until the end.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: Eagler on August 09, 2024, 11:50:37 AM
Having to climb to > 10k each flight limits the number of engagements one can have in a given time period...usually only an hour a day while some obviously live in the game and time and ridiculous altitude isn't as big a deal.. Game is different than ever before...it is what it is but still more fun than not so I will continue to login
Eagler
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: Mayhem on August 09, 2024, 12:20:57 PM
.....and that is one of the things killing the game off. I dont want to have to fly "like them", I have fun flying the way I want. That has always been what makes this game great, the diversity of playing styles. Take away a players fun and they leave.
Just adapt. I got tired of one of the said squads that consistently gangs and hordes, so I decided to go on the offensive and go after them instead after they tried to dive on me 4v1 last weekend.
It was actually quite fun shooting down an entire squad for 2 hours.
This is 2 of 4 or 5 sorties. 30 kills, 0 deaths.
https://youtu.be/IezF-khNXiY
https://youtu.be/QUXr0z4bH_4
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: LilMak on August 09, 2024, 12:42:33 PM
.....and that is one of the things killing the game off. I dont want to have to fly "like them", I have fun flying the way I want. That has always been what makes this game great, the diversity of playing styles. Take away a players fun and they leave.
I understand adaptation and am certainly capable of doing it. I can certainly pick a fast plane with big guns and start departing from a different base spending 10 minutes climbing every sortie. But I’ve never been the guy who lives by that. Nor do I want to be.
Even when fights were massive 100 player groups, I could still carve out good fights along the perimeter because I didn’t have that whole group bouncing me the second I came into icon range of just one of them. Even if a pilot on the edge wants a good fight for himself and doesn’t want or ask for help, he’s gonna get it. Now I have entire squads bounce if I’m low or turn away on the rare occasions I actually show up at 15k+. The radar creates an imaginary line with both sides waiting to dog pile the first guy to cross it. Even the guys who aren’t anywhere near the fight can start setting up their attacks from sectors away, not because they know approximately where enemies are, but they know EXACTLY where enemies are. They can also tell if a target is maneuvering, who they’re engaged with, whether they’re in pursuit or being pursued without even keying up their radio. The only way it could get any worse (and I hate to even mention this) is if the radar reported altitude too.
Even though the massive hordes of old are gone, it feels worse to be on the outnumbered side of a fight because it’s so easy to just club the few guys who are actually trying to fight.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: LilMak on August 09, 2024, 12:46:52 PM
Having to climb to > 10k each flight limits the number of engagements one can have in a given time period...usually only an hour a day while some obviously live in the game and time and ridiculous altitude isn't as big a deal.. Game is different than ever before...it is what it is but still more fun than not so I will continue to login
Eagler
I think this can be helped a lot by eliminating the awacs garbage.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: Banshee7 on August 09, 2024, 01:08:13 PM
Guess that settles who the better Damned is. :rofl
Umm no. If you don’t know the guys in the origonal Damned then you’re probably over estimating yourself.. you’re the best individual now, but not of all time. They had 5-10 of your type. And they did most of it in 38s.
AK are a true squad that operates like a squad should, team work. Same way I ran Flying Tigers. They change countries for their sqd night often.
You’re seriously talented, but best of all time of 35 yrs, probably not. For right now, so far, probably. I’ve seen Griz take out 100 in between refueling.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: Skyyr on August 09, 2024, 01:48:03 PM
Just adapt. I got tired of one of the said squads that consistently gangs and hordes, so I decided to go on the offensive and go after them instead after they tried to dive on me 4v1 last weekend.
It was actually quite fun shooting down an entire squad for 2 hours.
This is 2 of 4 or 5 sorties. 30 kills, 0 deaths.
https://youtu.be/IezF-khNXiY
https://youtu.be/QUXr0z4bH_4
I sometimes "adapt", but the point is I shouldnt have to, my type of fights are drying up and going the way of the dodo because too many players feel the need to get into the fastest baddest plane, grab to 20K with a half dozen of their squad mates and pick and run.
I love watching your videos, Im learning alot from them. Will I ever get as good....LOL!!!! not in a million years. I dont think I could ever fly as smooth as you do. <S>
So, you're telling me all of these players left because of one guy? 🤔
I dont think we lost the majority of players due to one guy. Im sure there are a few whos ego has a hard time with that, but the game is more fun than just one guy. No I think the type of play has chased more people away than anything. Hitech use to say that ever player has a limit and will leave the game when they hit it. I think more people hit that limit quicker over the last few years as the game play has turned away from teams fighting an over all war to a game of individuals looking for quick kills, pick and run and so on. Heaven forbid they actually stick around and fight it out.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: Animl-AW on August 09, 2024, 02:21:53 PM
There are 3 griz that I know of, one passed away yrs ago. Grizzly, Griz, Griz#1. Not the same guy. You’re a little to eager to rank yourself against people you never ran into.
Grizzly helped me test in AW.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: Skyyr on August 09, 2024, 02:35:36 PM
There are 3 griz that I know of, one passed away yrs ago. Grizzly, Griz, Griz#1. Not the same guy. You’re a little to eager to rank yourself against people you never ran into.
Grizzly helped me test in AW.
The Grizz in the screenshot is the one who landed 100 kills.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: Animl-AW on August 09, 2024, 02:38:33 PM
Looking at the chart we lost a majority in 1-2 months time. It was a very sharp fast decline, before III.
That said if you go back to HTs thread we lost 5-8 just from an announcement. Main reason mentioned taking a very long established sqd name, and being allowed back. Very key players. Lost another 5 from un-sportsmanship antics. More will follow that theme. Its a wrecking ball in motion. Hyper-Narcissism is proud of destruction, thrive on being hated and rejected
I’m reminded of burning down a house to kill one cockroach.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: Animl-AW on August 09, 2024, 02:55:43 PM
Just goin to say it, you use way too many aids for me to call it pure skill. Since others don’t it puts you above. I’d like to see that skill on my computer with zero aids before i buy into it
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: LCADolby on August 09, 2024, 03:44:00 PM
The Grizz in the screenshot is the one who landed 100 kills.
Producing that screenshot is the gayest toejam I've seen all day, but you do you cupcake.
Just don't diddly up traffic with your one man pride parade through town, waving around that screenshot like it means something, yelling about how you love to suck dick and take it up the butt. No one deserves a 5 mile detour with today's fuel prices :old:
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: Animl-AW on August 09, 2024, 03:47:32 PM
Producing that screenshot is the gayest toejam I've seen all day, but you do you cupcake.
Just don't diddly up traffic with your one man pride parade through town, waving around that screenshot like it means something, yelling about how you love to suck dick and take it up the butt. No one deserves a 5 mile detour with today's fuel prices :old:
Shut up moron. Hope you get a vacation for that child stream of BS
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: LCADolby on August 09, 2024, 03:52:43 PM
Shut up moron. Hope you get a vacation for that child stream of BS
Listen dude, if someone doesn't nip at his heels and keeps him on the ground, he'll inflate his own head until he hits the stratosphere... And he cannot breathe over 12,000feet, I'm doing him a service.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: Skyyr on August 09, 2024, 04:05:09 PM
Listen dude, if someone doesn't nip at his heels and keeps him on the ground, he'll inflate his own head until he hits the stratosphere... And he cannot breathe over 12,000feet, I'm doing him a service.
You want me to post the AHFs of Grizz vs me in 152s? Dude didn't last 1 pass lol.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: LCADolby on August 09, 2024, 04:16:28 PM
Listen dude, if someone doesn't nip at his heels and keeps him on the ground, he'll inflate his own head until he hits the stratosphere... And he cannot breathe over 12,000feet, I'm doing him a service.
I understand, but Not that way, thats overboard. Now you’re in the spotlight
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: LilMak on August 09, 2024, 04:36:30 PM
Yeah. I’m pretty confident most of his views are him.
While fascinating this discussion is a waste of time. A little light reading on narcissistic psychopathy, confirms that changes in attitude and behavior aren't in the cards. Look at it on the bright side... his damage is virtual.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: Skyyr on August 09, 2024, 07:45:42 PM
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: scott66 on August 09, 2024, 11:39:11 PM
I'll admit it...I have more hours watching skyyr films than skyyr has playing the game.. i started watching when PC went down and needed my AH fix.. learned allot including that there is a big difference in what he sees compared to what his enemy sees..suddenly those impossible shots are not so impossible... if he's streaming and gets a shot on me that makes me say wtf I'll tune into his stream and scroll back the fight and see yup he had the shot.. im old I don't approve of everything he does or says but he is an adult
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: Tumor on August 10, 2024, 12:23:56 AM
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: Animl-AW on August 10, 2024, 05:20:11 AM
Anyone who has played any decent amount of time knows what you see is not what we see. This isn’t a hidden fallacy.
Your plane jumped every direction, especially when you flopped in my face. Again, your personal videos prove nothing. I love how selective you are on videos. You’re like a politician.
Killed you before, will kill you again, like everyone in the game. You only die pretty much one way, someone shooting you down. You are absolutely not invincible.
Its not what you say, its what you avoid responding to or saying. You know dam well I’m right.
I live how you catch me grabbing at ias 150, with alt and speed, then act like I’m an easy kill. Any ither time you’re working for it.
Again, you use so many aids that your skills lay 50% there.
If killing griz ir anyone else makes you great, me killing you makes me great.
Old west gunfighter mentality.
When you do get shot down the excuses flow like melted butter.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: Eagler on August 10, 2024, 07:00:55 AM
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: Animl-AW on August 10, 2024, 07:27:48 AM
I’d like a copy of that gyro sight you use. Can’t seem to duplicate it. Musta took some time to get right. Of course that I’m aware of WWII planes didn’t have gyro sights to lead shots.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: Shane on August 10, 2024, 09:01:37 AM
I’d like a copy of that gyro sight you use. Can’t seem to duplicate it. Musta took some time to get right. Of course that I’m aware of WWII planes didn’t have gyro sights to lead shots.
gyro sight? you mean the AoA ladder? that can be enabled in-game under options/prefs/flight - several HUD boxes you can check.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: CptTrips on August 10, 2024, 10:19:30 AM
He is using what HT wants to make available.
If anyone has a problem with that, make your case to HT to remove it.
I've watched quite a bit of his videos.
What I see is bandits go blood simple and overshooting him left and right greedily trying for a kill and putting themselves right in his sights. What I see is bandits time and time again inexplicably reversing their turn with him on their six giving him a perfect opportunity to unload G and take a concentrated snap shot. And if you start a loop without sufficient E and instead, split S while he is following you up, that is just a turn reversal in the vertical plane.
What I see is bandits being way to blasé about crossing his 3-9 line thinking he can't possibly make that high deflection shot. But he can very often.
He flys smart, but his super power is an uncanny ability to hit those high speed high deflection shots consistently. Shots I wouldn't have even tried, thus missing a kill opportunity. I guess you miss 100% of the shots you don't take. I don't see cheating, I see years of practice with a good amount of natural gunnery instinct. Would probably do very well at skeet. Lesson: don't cross his 3-9 line.
Shrug. Bragging isn't my cup of tea, but he is usually talking crap back at those talking crap to him because they are mad they got shot down instead of going and looking at the film to see what they did wrong. When you get shot down it is always your fault. Period. Full stop. Just be a man and accept that. Go watch the vid and learn from it.
Using multiple accounts to track and harass a player would be a ban-able violation. Message HT with your evidence.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: AKIron on August 10, 2024, 10:27:38 AM
Just to pick a nit, I think that's a pitch ladder. Angle of Attack is attitude relative to wind.
Since I'm picking nits by wind I mean the flow of air relative to the aircraft.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: AKIron on August 10, 2024, 10:38:47 AM
I have points to spare for being off topic. Many military jets have an AoA indicator. If you're on final and staying on the glideslope and the AoA indicator is centered then you are "on speed".
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: Animl-AW on August 10, 2024, 10:47:31 AM
The white circle, part of his sight system, it moves opposite of the direction of the plane. The more it moves the tighter the turn. This aids in leading a shot with the combo of flight ladder. Its called a gyro sight, its not stationary.
You’ll see some use a red dot that dies similar. But there is a graphic trick that his works better.
Neither was in WWII AC.. neither would flicking the trim to recal.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: Skyyr on August 10, 2024, 10:50:38 AM
The white circle, part of his sight system, it moves opposite of the direction of the plane. The more it moves the tighter the turn. This aids in leading a shot with the combo of flight ladder. Its called a gyro sight, its not stationary.
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: Skyyr on August 10, 2024, 10:51:57 AM
If anyone has a problem with that, make your case to HT to remove it.
I've watched quite a bit of his videos.
What I see is bandits go blood simple and overshooting him left and right greedily trying for a kill and putting themselves right in his sights. What I see is bandits time and time again inexplicably reversing their turn with him on their six giving him a perfect opportunity to unload G and take a concentrated snap shot. And if you start a loop without sufficient E and instead, split S while he is following you up, that is just a turn reversal in the vertical plane.
What I see is bandits being way to blasé about crossing his 3-9 line thinking he can't possibly make that high deflection shot. But he can very often.
He flys smart, but his super power is an uncanny ability to hit those high speed high deflection shots consistently. Shots I wouldn't have even tried, thus missing a kill opportunity. I guess you miss 100% of the shots you don't take. I don't see cheating, I see years of practice with a good amount of natural gunnery instinct. Would probably do very well at skeet. Lesson: don't cross his 3-9 line.
Shrug. Bragging isn't my cup of tea, but he is usually talking crap back at those talking crap to him because they are mad they got shot down instead of going and looking at the film to see what they did wrong. When you get shot down it is always your fault. Period. Full stop. Just be a man and accept that. Go watch the vid and learn from it.
Using multiple accounts to track and harass a player would be a ban-able violation. Message HT with your evidence.
Shhhh. Don't teach them to use logic. Seeing the rage and hack accusations is far more entertaining than watching them self-improve.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: CptTrips on August 10, 2024, 10:52:25 AM
The white circle, part of his sight system, it moves opposite of the direction of the plane. The more it moves the tighter the turn. This aids in leading a shot with the combo of flight ladder. Its called a gyro sight, its not stationary.
You’ll see some use a red dot that dies similar. But there is a graphic trick that his works better.
Neither was in WWII AC.. neither would flicking the trim to recal.
That's just how the sight works in VR and I am assuming Track IR.
Also plenty of WWII aircraft had gyro sights.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: CptTrips on August 10, 2024, 10:55:34 AM
I mean....I feel embarrassed for him.
:rolleyes:
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: AKIron on August 10, 2024, 10:58:43 AM
The white circle, part of his sight system, it moves opposite of the direction of the plane. The more it moves the tighter the turn. This aids in leading a shot with the combo of flight ladder. Its called a gyro sight, its not stationary.
You’ll see some use a red dot that dies similar. But there is a graphic trick that his works better.
Neither was in WWII AC.. neither would flicking the trim to recal.
WWII aircraft did have gryo controlled optical sights btw.
If anyone has a problem with that, make your case to HT to remove it.
I've watched quite a bit of his videos.
What I see is bandits go blood simple and overshooting him left and right greedily trying for a kill and putting themselves right in his sights. What I see is bandits time and time again inexplicably reversing their turn with him on their six giving him a perfect opportunity to unload G and take a concentrated snap shot. And if you start a loop without sufficient E and instead, split S while he is following you up, that is just a turn reversal in the vertical plane.
What I see is bandits being way to blasé about crossing his 3-9 line thinking he can't possibly make that high deflection shot. But he can very often.
He flys smart, but his super power is an uncanny ability to hit those high speed high deflection shots consistently. Shots I wouldn't have even tried, thus missing a kill opportunity. I guess you miss 100% of the shots you don't take. I don't see cheating, I see years of practice with a good amount of natural gunnery instinct. Would probably do very well at skeet. Lesson: don't cross his 3-9 line.
Shrug. Bragging isn't my cup of tea, but he is usually talking crap back at those talking crap to him because they are mad they got shot down instead of going and looking at the film to see what they did wrong. When you get shot down it is always your fault. Period. Full stop. Just be a man and accept that. Go watch the vid and learn from it.
Using multiple accounts to track and harass a player would be a ban-able violation. Message HT with your evidence.
Its not technically cheating. But a gyrp sight combined with ladder removes the calculation from your head, which his opponents have to do. If your doi g those calculations in your head you don’t have as much ability to do other things at the same time. Contrary to popular beleif the brain handles thing at a time. Muscle memory helps fill that gap too.
Another advantage is he deals with zero nose bounce, where most do.
Not saying he’s not a disciplined flyer, but hr uses s lot of aids. Therefore I question why vids anf not films.
Aldo he us using some form if spotting system to kill one person over and over in a row, he’s getting help on that somehow. Notice he shys away from these subjects using irrekevent videos as deflection
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: Animl-AW on August 10, 2024, 11:05:58 AM
Its not technically cheating. But a gyrp sight combined with ladder removes the calculation from your head, which his opponents have to do. If your doi g those calculations in your head you don’t have as much ability to do other things at the same time. Contrary to popular beleif the brain handles thing at a time. Muscle memory helps fill that gap too.
Another advantage is he deals with zero nose bounce, where most do.
Not saying he’s not a disciplined flyer, but hr uses s lot of aids. Therefore I question why vids anf not films.
Aldo he us using some form if spotting system to kill one person over and over in a row, he’s getting help on that somehow. Notice he shys away from these subjects using irrekevent videos as deflection
You and every other player has access to everything Skyyr uses. The gunsight is default, the pitch ladder is in AH settings, and you can purchase TrackIR.
As for "spotting" other players, it's as simple as this:
System Message says Animl killed BTDiver. I know from seeing you online that you are knight just as I know BTDiver is always rook. I also know that you fly the P-51 almost exclusively. So, using just that information, I know you are on the knight/rook front (which is probably one fight) in a P-51, just as I can assume BTDiver was flying a yak. If you play the game enough, you pick up on players' tendencies, which is another reason I like switching up planes a lot.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: Skyyr on August 10, 2024, 11:21:08 AM
Animl is exhibiting Dunning-Kruger in spades, sirs.
Continue.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: Spikes on August 10, 2024, 11:22:00 AM
Its not technically cheating. But a gyrp sight combined with ladder removes the calculation from your head, which his opponents have to do. If your doi g those calculations in your head you don’t have as much ability to do other things at the same time. Contrary to popular beleif the brain handles thing at a time. Muscle memory helps fill that gap too.
Another advantage is he deals with zero nose bounce, where most do.
Not saying he’s not a disciplined flyer, but hr uses s lot of aids. Therefore I question why vids anf not films.
Aldo he us using some form if spotting system to kill one person over and over in a row, he’s getting help on that somehow. Notice he shys away from these subjects using irrekevent videos as deflection
You and every other player has access to everything Skyyr uses. The gunsight is default, the pitch ladder is in AH settings, and you can purchase TrackIR.
As for "spotting" other players, it's as simple as this:
System Message says Animl killed BTDiver. I know from seeing you online that you are knight just as I know BTDiver is always rook. I also know that you fly the P-51 almost exclusively. So, using just that information, I know you are on the knight/rook front (which is probably one fight) in a P-51, just as I can assume BTDiver was flying a yak. If you play the game enough, you pick up on players' tendencies, which is another reason I like switching up planes a lot.
Then you can pull up the stats page and confirm whether or not he actually killed BTDiver in a P51 or another plane, letting you know exactly what plane he's in.
Wait till he finds out there's a geometric and velocity-based principle you can use to pinpoint a player even more accurately based on ground-speed climbout if they're shot down.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: Skyyr on August 10, 2024, 11:25:28 AM
Ok thats fine, but mist of his opponents don’t, so that puts him above the average
I wasn't commenting on whether he was using a gyro gun sight or not, simply correcting you. Like Trips observed, it's a reflex sight so move your head left/right/up/down and the sight can disappear.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: scott66 on August 10, 2024, 11:34:50 AM
You and every other player has access to everything Skyyr uses. The gunsight is default, the pitch ladder is in AH settings, and you can purchase TrackIR.
As for "spotting" other players, it's as simple as this:
System Message says Animl killed BTDiver. I know from seeing you online that you are knight just as I know BTDiver is always rook. I also know that you fly the P-51 almost exclusively. So, using just that information, I know you are on the knight/rook front (which is probably one fight) in a P-51, just as I can assume BTDiver was flying a yak. If you play the game enough, you pick up on players' tendencies, which is another reason I like switching up planes a lot.
Ironically, no I don’t see that sight as a default sight available. If you know of it you can certainly use it. Same as the red dot gyro. You can use it if you can find one. Someone had to provide me with a custom red dot gyro. I stated this is not cheating. But if you use a stationary sight he has the upper hand. It is an aid, thats why its made. My point is, most don’t use that setup.
As far as flying straight to his target of the day in nowhere and with no dar…….its probably more than that.
Since you’re in his sqd I expect you to defend.
Take note, he was in trouble before for the ability to pin point rival players to harass them. This is not a new subject I invented. Why was he banned?
I’ve also heard about him in other forums, he doesn’t wear a white suit.
Gonna leave it there.
Hell most players are better than me. I don’t fly 8 hrs a day like I used to when I was much better and than I am now.
Moms make the best attorneys.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: CptTrips on August 10, 2024, 12:18:39 PM
This was first shot, cold bore, 300yds out of the MWS. Not long distance by any means, but it's dead-nuts accurate.
That is excellent for 300yd.
This was a 5 shot only 100yd I think. Just getting sighted in. Should have been MOA but I pulled one bad, but I was at a public range and the guy next to me was shooting a 155mm shoulder cannon or something. Half rolled me over every time he shot. Bruh.
This is not a gyro sight Animl. The reticle in a gyro sight would move down and even off the sight when the nose is pulled up as in this video.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: Animl-AW on August 10, 2024, 12:47:34 PM
Meh! Biggest point. Just don’t harass or humiliate players to the point they leave, the game can’t afford it. Putting players in their place is one thing, badgering them out of the game is a bad level.
Btw, again, I supported Skyyr being able to come back. Not sure much has changed tho.
A real pilot shaming a game pilot is a lil goofy. <shrug> teaching goes a long way.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: Dadtallica on August 10, 2024, 01:02:25 PM
Like most people he probably puts a dot on the screen with a dry erase marker. Doesn’t show up on video. Way back old school fps trick lol.
My monitor has a built in crosshair, so i could use that if I wished. Aiming and shooting doesn't work like that though. Parallax wouldn't be accounted for, among other problems.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: AKIron on August 10, 2024, 01:10:41 PM
Just for you Animl.
Gyro Gunsight:
Not a gyro gunsight:
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: Animl-AW on August 10, 2024, 01:11:43 PM
This is not a gyro sight Animl. The reticle in a gyro sight would move down and even off the sight when the nose is pulled up as in this video.
Its the closest to it that the game allows. You, nor I, would use it if it did not help. Mine doesn’t mine as much, but I’m working on it.
I did turn off dampening and using lighter touch.
My stick is horrible. It’s movement gets grabby, like rubbing two piece of dry rubber together, force to break through the creaking grab then the release causes me to over-steer.
Also, with wing 50s I either have to be within 400 and/or need to land more hits than firing nose gun potatoes.
A 51 is not going to TnB with a 190 or 109 as well. After two turns I have to break, and that speed is not coming back as fast either. Sure I can use flaps, but E just drains quicker. It better be for an absolute killing shot or I’m done. Its an offense AC, not defense AC
If I know I’m going to run into you or other uber pilots I’ll probably grab the A5 and go high. I’m actually better and smoother in the A5. I just like the 51 speed. I’ve gotten it up to 570 and still maintain control, to a point. I’ve chased down a 262 a few times.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: Animl-AW on August 10, 2024, 01:14:06 PM
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: AKIron on August 10, 2024, 01:58:33 PM
TrackIR has many advantages over using keys/buttons to control your view but using the gun sight is not one of them. In TrackIR if I move my head away from center in alignment with the "HUD" I can lose sight of the sight. If you aren't using TrackIR or VR then you can move your physical head, not virtual, anywhere and still see the sight lined up on a target.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: AKIron on August 10, 2024, 01:59:22 PM
wonder if they are still doing that p341 bull lol only get three p341s carried in your shirt pocket
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: AKIron on August 10, 2024, 02:19:27 PM
You guys have your BMT group photo? You can find most of them here, enlisted. The month is the month you graduated, not enlisted. Mine's there, I provided them the pic.
https://www.bmtflightphotos.af.mil/
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: AKIron on August 10, 2024, 02:23:16 PM
And there are Facebook groups for many things Air Force related. Not for you of course. In case you want to tell your mother/sister/daughter/girlfriend/wife about it.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: CptTrips on August 10, 2024, 03:17:17 PM
You guys have your BMT group photo? You can find most of them here, enlisted. The month is the month you graduated, not enlisted. Mine's there, I provided them the pic.
https://www.bmtflightphotos.af.mil/
Ooofffff. I'm in there somewhere. Sept 88 I think.
I started trying to look but triggered my PTSD. ;)
In fact, I was laughing because just the other night I had a reoccurring nightmare.
I get this call and they are telling me there was a snafu with my paperwork and I actually have to go back into the military and go back through BMT. I need to report in a week. I'm like, "You'll have to hunt me down and kill me first." ;)
I get that dream at least once a year. and have since mid 90's.
:rofl :rofl :rofl
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: AKIron on August 10, 2024, 03:25:22 PM
I got out after my first enlistment (and 23 month extension to crosstrain). 2 years and 3 months later I went back in. Asked the recruiter if I'd have to go back through basic training. He said incredulously "would you?". I didn't. Keep my rank, lost my time in grade.
Air Force just started up the Warrant Officer program. After ditching it over 60 years ago.
TrackIR has many advantages over using keys/buttons to control your view but using the gun sight is not one of them. In TrackIR if I move my head away from center in alignment with the "HUD" I can lose sight of the sight. If you aren't using TrackIR or VR then you can move your physical head, not virtual, anywhere and still see the sight lined up on a target.
I switched to TrackIR over the summer. I still struggle with slight head movements right as I go for a shot. It’s definitely a learning curve of its own.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: CptTrips on August 10, 2024, 03:58:45 PM
I switched to TrackIR over the summer. I still struggle with slight head movements right as I go for a shot. It’s definitely a learning curve of its own.
Do you have a dead zone?
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: Grind on August 10, 2024, 04:28:34 PM
I switched to TrackIR over the summer. I still struggle with slight head movements right as I go for a shot. It’s definitely a learning curve of its own.
The F9 key can be your friend. The Voice Attack App comes in handy too.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: xanax on August 10, 2024, 04:47:12 PM
I switched to TrackIR over the summer. I still struggle with slight head movements right as I go for a shot. It’s definitely a learning curve of its own.
Same same. I have F9 mapped to a button my stick but I think I'd be better off being better at controlling my head movements-especially right after tracking a dude and finally getting him lined up. In the 2 million hours I've watched Skyyr's vids, I don't think I've noticed him having to re-center with F9 ever. If he does, he isn't enough off center or kilter for me to notice. I definitely get off center in my head movements while dying....errr.....flying. I utilize a tiny dead zone as well but I'd rather not need it. I just need more time with it.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: Pluto on August 10, 2024, 06:31:09 PM
I wish SAAMIAM was here to join this discussion. I would like to know his take on the situation.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: Animl-AW on August 10, 2024, 06:56:54 PM
I don't have a vid or time, but I've had a sight act SIMILAR to what you define as a gyro, obviously Skyyr too. Since I wasn't a pilot, except crop dusting a few times with my cousins neighbor, Skyyr's and one I had, I'm ignorant to what else sight's would be labeled. It does get vertical movement.
There's some light graphic "tricks" that SEEM to get more movement. Patterns seems to be, the larger sight color, the more stationary, the system ignores black. The"Not a gyro" sight has a large color graphic, so it will be more just side to side. At least in my experience. Why a red dot will move more, vertical and horizonal
SO best I can call it is gyro simulation. The sight will help you lead some shots, the person I got mine from said that's why it was made. And it does seem to work.
Both sights you have are the same I've been using, but modified, with a red center dot so i can see it better, same sight in MotA vid, but I resize it, until it's what I like.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: AKIron on August 10, 2024, 09:41:17 PM
I'm not sure what you are saying. I don't think Aces High has a gyro gunsight. The video Skyyr posted showed the normal movement associated with TrackIR. You can recreate that without TrackIR by moving left and right in your seat. Moving, not rotating. There is no advantage to this. Implying otherwise makes one look foolish.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: AKIron on August 10, 2024, 09:49:40 PM
That's not to say Skyyr isn't cheating by using the force, maybe time traveling, or letting an AI fly his plane. It isn't evident in his video though.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: Animl-AW on August 10, 2024, 10:24:55 PM
I'm not sure what you are saying. I don't think Aces High has a gyro gunsight. The video Skyyr posted showed the normal movement associated with TrackIR. You can recreate that without TrackIR by moving left and right in your seat. Moving, not rotating. There is no advantage to this. Implying otherwise makes one look foolish.
Tellin ya it can move without tracker, I had one, so did other. Its an red ball
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: Skyyr on August 10, 2024, 10:25:51 PM
Got called a cheater tonight by RotBaron, after he and Animl failed to get me. Apparently he neither understands the icon system nor how it works.
https://youtu.be/JXVfvGGlX1I
Dude, get a life. You’re so damn fragile. You were HOun several people tonight. You luve uf a different reality. Ill post mine too because I’ll gain 3”.
Seriously. Get some help
I’m going to make s mintage of your constant HOs
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: Animl-AW on August 10, 2024, 10:36:54 PM
Gonna start charging you royalties
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: Skyyr on August 10, 2024, 10:37:02 PM
Dude, get a life. You’re so damn fragile. You were HOun several people tonight. You luve uf a different reality. Ill post mine too because I’ll gain 3”.
Seriously. Get some help
I’m going to make s mintage of your constant HOs
Maybe if you understood ACM, you'd understand how a HO isn't a problem nor is it "wrong." Only on this game and forums do people cry about HOs. But yeah, make that montage, it'll be a whole lot of you dying lol. Odd threat, but I'd love to see it.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: LilMak on August 10, 2024, 10:41:16 PM
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: LilMak on August 11, 2024, 12:32:45 AM
Skyyr is a sociopath. He’s the type of person who swerves to hit a puppy in a crosswalk then submits an insurance claim because a dog “ran out in front of him”. Everything he does is absolutely skewed to fit his narrative. Even his signature line is a 1/2 truth…
“I almost beat Skyyr after he took a 6 year break!"
He was never gone for 6 years. He’s been here as a shade off an on ever since his ban.
The only reason he’s here as “Skyyr” again is ego. Even though we know he’s been using shades for years since his ban, he just couldn’t just do that and be happy. Because it’s not about the game for him. It’s about his superiority complex. He’s like a junky that needs his fix. He has to post videos that show how incredible “Skyyr” is. He had to be “Skyyr” so the entire community KNOWS it’s him. He belittles and berates people every single day with just about everything that comes out of his head. He tailors everything to fit his narrative. He tries to hide behind the false assumption that many of us don’t like him simply because he’s a good virtual stick. That’s simply not true. Many of us don’t like him because he’s a gaslighting sociopathic braggart.
He keeps telling people they didn’t see what they saw. He literally makes stuff up, bending the truth, going so far at to create BBS shades so he can confirm his own biases and pat himself on the back. He calls people liars for saying the sky is blue and then argues it’s really cyan and will tell you how stupid you are because you called it blue.
And his continuous chest thumping is tiresome. I’ve been waxed by players much worse and beat him in even fights. Now, before he challenges me to duel (for the millionth time) “and the loser quits forever”.
I won’t do it. Not because of fear. I’ve had thousands of duels which I’ve won and lost going back beyond AH and certainly well beyond his arrival. I gain zero from dueling him…Other than possibly feeding his love and adoration of himself. Here’s why I won’t do it…
First and foremost I would honor my word and he wouldn’t. If I won, he’d be back as another shade. If he won, there would be one less player in the game that I’ve enjoyed for years. No one wins.
Second. He’s a liar and a cheat. And I call him out for it pretty regularly. He keeps insisting his banishment wasn’t related to cheating interpreting what I’ve been saying to him as “hacking” (his own narrative). He has admitted time and again on 200 he was banned for “griefing” other players. Which is true. He and his crew hunted players mercilessly to the point that some actually quit. But, as usual, he leaves out the other half of the story. What he fails to mention is HOW they did it. We had a much bigger population when he got banned with much bigger numbers and none of the “this player killed that player” messages. So finding specific players in the MA was much more difficult. What he and his rip-off “damned” did (as I understand it) was log into a shared shade account(s) (violating the TOS) to actively hunt/shadow players he didn’t like because his inflated ego just couldn’t handle being killed without exacting immediate retribution. So basically he was banned for being involved in the equivalent of sharing a Netflix password. Which might never have been proven except he recorded it in one of his own videos and posted for the world to see.
Fast forward to now and he’s openly allowed to have several accounts (supposedly only to circumvent the side switch times) and we’re just supposed to take him at his word that he isn’t doing what he was banned for in the first place? In my opinion, there’s no limit to the lengths that he will go in order to win and that includes just about anything. So any duel with him is basically tainted and any kill he gets has an asterisk next to it like an athlete busted for steroids. It’s not for fun or training or good fights. It’s simply to feed his need for self gratification. Win or lose there is zero credibility in it. His reputation is permanently stained by his own behavior which he continues to demonstrate as evidenced by the multitude of players he’s clearly singled out and hunted since his return.
So, when you see him ignore 10 other players or switch sides (purely by coincidence of course) to pop you, just know that you did something right. You aggravated his fragile ego enough that he HAD to have some sort of revenge. Because, like any sociopath, it’s not good enough to spank the puppy that nipped him, he has to break its legs and tie it to an ant pile.
The worst part about this is Dale is sitting on the sidelines letting this happen after he said he would keep an eye on it. HT is basically admitting by not taking any action that his personal integrity is worth whatever 3+ subscriptions Skyyr pays him. It’s almost like he forgot he once called Skyyr the most “obtuse” person he’s ever talked to.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: Skyyr on August 11, 2024, 12:37:44 AM
"I once bragged that I was a real pilot to Skyyr and told him he and his squad, comprised of professional pilots, could never do those things in real planes!!!!'
:rofl :rofl :rofl
How'd that work out for ya?
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: Animl-AW on August 11, 2024, 04:37:22 AM
Maybe if you understood ACM, you'd understand how a HO isn't a problem nor is it "wrong." Only on this game and forums do people cry about HOs. But yeah, make that montage, it'll be a whole lot of you dying lol. Odd threat, but I'd love to see it.
I can spot you out if a crowd of 20, very distinct patterns. Ya know for all your talk of ACM , I expect a decent fight of acm. But 80% of your kills on me are HOs.
I like how you mentioned Eagler died, but don’t mention last fight with Eagler he shot you down.
Your fight you claimed I was try to 2-1 you was done before I engaged.
I don’t care about your selective videos. I don’t care you shot me down. You do embellish stories, a lot. It bothers YOU when you get shot down, you flip out. You’re s very sire loser with a fragile ego.
The point wasn’t that I died, you take cheap kills for someone full of ACM talk.
I din’t know about icons? My comment was making a joke out of at dark against the sky I could not see your plane, I basically was shooting at a spot of an icon.
No matter the debate you embellish the story. So its pointless.
Anyone points it out gets a video.You cannot handle being killed. You have endless excuses. I just make fun of how you kill me, because even winning sets you off. I can set you iff in 3 words. Very thin skinned.
I also filmed both fights. Its not that I died its how I died for some who talks big ACM game. If it were anyone else it would not matter.. it doesn’t even matter it was you, its funny to me. Someone as goid as you shouldn’t have to HO so much.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: Animl-AW on August 11, 2024, 04:42:56 AM
Yes. Use the arrow keys. The sight moves with your head position. It isn't a gyro sight.
Yes that can be done. But the sight given to me moves with plane movement. I think I lost it, but I’ll see if I can find it and make a video. On s reinstall I forgot to save the folder and list that copy. I’ll see if its where I saved it in a huge download folder or find the thread where it was given to me.
Notice Skyyr avoids that subject.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: Animl-AW on August 11, 2024, 05:19:18 AM
You think we’re as horrified as you when we die. I watched you shot down many times last night, where ate those videos?
You’re not what I’d refer to as a clean player, you exploit everything. You never answer to some things you use, others do., you’re a focus shifter. You absolutely avoid specific subjects snd deflect from it.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: Meatwad on August 11, 2024, 06:22:47 AM
Rules are bent when one is desperate for subs
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: RotBaron on August 11, 2024, 06:42:55 AM
Yesterday watched him hunt me, then Sledge, Animal and Lazer.
He did pull the cable last night, more than once, the time I mentioned it in 200, is after 2 episodes of him disappearing in a sea of red many saying/asking where’d he go only to have him land kills several mins later. I have the vid, and no skyler I’m not posting it because nothing will come of it, btw if you didn’t know I have you blocked so flame away, just know I don’t care enough about you anymore to even look. I only see your bs when you’re quoted and wish that too were blocked.
Squelching him at first insult yesterday was best thing I did, much more enjoyable day :aok
Have a great time in there if you’re flying today, spot on analysis Mak.
But for me it turned into a time suck wasting time on anything related to him; if everyone ignored him, guaranteed he’d leave because as noted all the drama inflates and feeds his ego. As he stated not too long ago, he “hates WW2 fighters”… :headscratch:
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: Eagler on August 11, 2024, 06:51:19 AM
Best not to mention him, it seems he thrives off the attention to the point it seems almost to be mental..
Never heard of the guy in 24 years, now he hunts me nightly..gets worse if I somehow actually shoot him down, his childish comments and increased hostility isn't worth the effort sometimes
Eagler
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: LilMak on August 11, 2024, 07:01:49 AM
Still a pilot. Definitely smart enough to know that this game isn’t the real thing.
Also noting that trying to deflect things in a different direction changes nothing about what happened. You’re so pathetic that you needed to cheat at a video game and recorded posted yourself doing it. Then you worked around your banishment thereby cheating again. So you are ,in fact, a cheater. Nothing you say or do has any validity. None. You’re a liar. Period.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: Animl-AW on August 11, 2024, 07:38:45 AM
Ya know, thetes people I run across in life that makes me think, who ever picked on them as a child should have their ars kicked, they created a monster.
If onedidn’t brag snd torment so much they wouldn’t be as horrified when they lose.
Sound like lawyer in Devil’s Advocate, “.. I don’t lose, I win, that’s what I do…”, until he doesn’t.
That bragging and humiliating us why this tyoe of attention is drawn.
I was almost flying last night, even git shot down while I went to grab some Cheatos, I slmost put effort into it. Just there for the fix of not playing for a few days bc of work. Oh wait, was that an excuse?
I guess saying “ chill out” woild have zero effect. Didn’t wotk the last 20 times.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: Animl-AW on August 11, 2024, 08:03:27 AM
Best not to mention him, it seems he thrives off the attention to the point it seems almost to be mental..
Never heard of the guy in 24 years, now he hunts me nightly..gets worse if I somehow actually shoot him down, his childish comments and increased hostility isn't worth the effort sometimes
Eagler
Yes, I blame you for lighting the tire fire. Stop shooting people down, bully. I can’t even look at you right now.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: AKIron on August 11, 2024, 09:16:25 AM
Yes, I blame you for lighting the tire fire. Stop shooting people down, bully. I can’t even look at you right now.
So who exactly did you start this thread about?
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: fd ski on August 11, 2024, 09:27:01 AM
Just ignore him. If he's around, find another good stick, team up. Avoid the headons, don't give him a shot and sooner or later he'll be running. Then he will squeal about it, write some silly stuff about him being gangbanged etc, enjoy his whining and move on. If he returns, rinse and repeat. Once he starts running away or pulling the plug, you can go back to other things.
Fighting him is fun in its own perverse way. He shoots really well, I would say even better then Judge, so if you offer him a shot, you will likely get killed. If he misses, it's usually vertical E fight with his flaps and engine tricks, which he has mastered in planes he flies, so he is rather dangerous. So likely you will lose, if you don't care about your score, there is some fun to be had. To make his life hell, bring a good wingman to whack him upside the head as he kills you ;) Despite all his claims he ain't so hot in 1 vs 2 or 1 vs 3.
Whole situation is sad, really. He flies a lot and it shows in his shooting and flying. He's good at this game, do doubt about that. If he wasn't such a flawed human, he would likely be remembered amongst the great ones. And this is what he wants. But everything he does ensures his legacy as a best known griefer of aces high. No matter how many 1 vs 1s he wins, no matter how many people he fights, he will never get what he wants .
Anyway, just ignore him. If he comes after you, find a friend, call on me if I'm around. We might die a little but fights will be fun and we'll likely make him squeal a little ;)
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: Animl-AW on August 11, 2024, 09:35:25 AM
Just ignore him. If he's around, find another good stick, team up. Avoid the headons, don't give him a shot and sooner or later he'll be running. Then he will squeal about it, write some silly stuff about him being gangbanged etc, enjoy his whining and move on. If he returns, rinse and repeat. Once he starts running away or pulling the plug, you can go back to other things.
Fighting him is fun in its own perverse way. He shoots really well, I would say even better then Judge, so if you offer him a shot, you will likely get killed. If he misses, it's usually vertical E fight with his flaps and engine tricks, which he has mastered in planes he flies, so he is rather dangerous. So likely you will lose, if you don't care about your score, there is some fun to be had. To make his life hell, bring a good wingman to whack him upside the head as he kills you ;) Despite all his claims he ain't so hot in 1 vs 2 or 1 vs 3.
Whole situation is sad, really. He flies a lot and it shows in his shooting and flying. He's good at this game, do doubt about that. If he wasn't such a flawed human, he would likely be remembered amongst the great ones. And this is what he wants. But everything he does ensures his legacy as a best known griefer of aces high. No matter how many 1 vs 1s he wins, no matter how many people he fights, he will never get what he wants .
Anyway, just ignore him. If he comes after you, find a friend, call on me if I'm around. We might die a little but fights will be fun and we'll likely make him squeal a little ;)
On the money
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: CptTrips on August 11, 2024, 10:42:51 AM
Just ignore him. If he's around, find another good stick, team up. Avoid the headons, don't give him a shot and sooner or later he'll be running. Then he will squeal about it, write some silly stuff about him being gangbanged etc, enjoy his whining and move on. If he returns, rinse and repeat. Once he starts running away or pulling the plug, you can go back to other things.
Fighting him is fun in its own perverse way. He shoots really well, I would say even better then Judge, so if you offer him a shot, you will likely get killed. If he misses, it's usually vertical E fight with his flaps and engine tricks, which he has mastered in planes he flies, so he is rather dangerous. So likely you will lose, if you don't care about your score, there is some fun to be had. To make his life hell, bring a good wingman to whack him upside the head as he kills you ;) Despite all his claims he ain't so hot in 1 vs 2 or 1 vs 3.
Whole situation is sad, really. He flies a lot and it shows in his shooting and flying. He's good at this game, do doubt about that. If he wasn't such a flawed human, he would likely be remembered amongst the great ones. And this is what he wants. But everything he does ensures his legacy as a best known griefer of aces high. No matter how many 1 vs 1s he wins, no matter how many people he fights, he will never get what he wants .
Anyway, just ignore him. If he comes after you, find a friend, call on me if I'm around. We might die a little but fights will be fun and we'll likely make him squeal a little ;)
What he said is golden! :cheers:
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: Animl-AW on August 11, 2024, 12:55:31 PM
Dense to the point they miss the fact that no one here likes them being here
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: Bopgun on August 11, 2024, 01:07:55 PM
I drank so much once that I found a second gun sight, also twice as many red guys. I don’t remember much after that, someone barfed on my computer and fried the MB so I must have went into a blind fury.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: scott66 on August 11, 2024, 01:10:07 PM
I drank so much once that I found a second gun sight, also twice as many red guys. I don’t remember much after that, someone barfed on my computer and fried the MB so I must have went into a blind fury.
You’ll go blind from other things too.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: Animl-AW on August 11, 2024, 01:12:11 PM
You and every other player has access to everything Skyyr uses. The gunsight is default, the pitch ladder is in AH settings, and you can purchase TrackIR.
As for "spotting" other players, it's as simple as this:
System Message says Animl killed BTDiver. I know from seeing you online that you are knight just as I know BTDiver is always rook. I also know that you fly the P-51 almost exclusively. So, using just that information, I know you are on the knight/rook front (which is probably one fight) in a P-51, just as I can assume BTDiver was flying a yak. If you play the game enough, you pick up on players' tendencies, which is another reason I like switching up planes a lot.
Then you can pull up the stats page and confirm whether or not he actually killed BTDiver in a P51 or another plane, letting you know exactly what plane he's in.
Wait till he finds out there's a geometric and velocity-based principle you can use to pinpoint a player even more accurately based on ground-speed climbout if they're shot down.
I'm just not sure how there is no punishment for players abusing the gameplay and greifing players with this garbage when it's clearly documented as well as proven they are doing this to target specific players over and over again until they leave.
WTF Hitech.
Hey, it's your loss pall.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: knorB on August 11, 2024, 01:41:01 PM
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Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: CptTrips on August 11, 2024, 01:45:02 PM
I'm just not sure how there is no punishment for players abusing the gameplay and greifing players with this garbage when it's clearly documented as well as proven they are doing this to target specific players over and over again until they leave.
Assuming he is not signing into multiple accounts simultaneously in different countries to track an enemy players position ( a clear rule violation), what in all you listed is an actual actionable HTC rule violation?
Can he not check the stats page? Can he not look at the roster? Can he not ask a countryman who just showed having gotten killed by you on PM or country channel where he was when You killed his countryman? Can he not decide to fly there? Can he not engage any enemy planes there he chooses?
Bragging isn't a violation. If he was calling you obscene names on 200 it would be.
Exactly what is it you want enforced against Skyyr, and how would it be workable?
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: scott66 on August 11, 2024, 01:53:50 PM
Players hunt down players all the time..GVers are famous for it.. player died in GV comes back and bombs the player who killed them.. sometimes I think people forget this is a WAR and what they say.."all is fair in love and war"
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: Animl-AW on August 11, 2024, 01:55:14 PM
I'm just not sure how there is no punishment for players abusing the gameplay and greifing players with this garbage when it's clearly documented as well as proven they are doing this to target specific players over and over again until they leave.
WTF Hitech.
Hey, it's your loss pall.
As for the player…/ dipsht will always remain a dipsht. Pyschohicsl misfunctions abound ( i made s new werd)
Unsolicited advise; NEVER EVER allow anyone to chase you from anything. Ya wanna really piss off dweebles, plant roots and smile.
Evidently dome of yhese spend way too much time alone.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: Animl-AW on August 11, 2024, 01:56:18 PM
Players hunt down players all the time..GVers are famous for it.. player died in GV comes back and bombs the player who killed them.. sometimes I think people forget this is a WAR and what they say.."all is fair in love and war"
.
True, but if you make players quit, ya need to go
I’m going to put a poll on my page to establish results of issues.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: knorB on August 11, 2024, 01:57:27 PM
Players hunt down players all the time..GVers are famous for it.. player died in GV comes back and bombs the player who killed them.. sometimes I think people forget this is a WAR and what they say.."all is fair in love and war"
Game… it’s a game. Any while it is combat oriented, griefing should not be tolerated if proven.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: CptTrips on August 11, 2024, 02:05:50 PM
Players hunt down players all the time..GVers are famous for it.. player died in GV comes back and bombs the player who killed them.. sometimes I think people forget this is a WAR and what they say.."all is fair in love and war"
Heck, it was part of my primary game loop in battlefield as a sniper. ;)
Kill cam would show my location after I sniped someone. I would take 3-4 out and then set claymores and displace to another overwatch position and target my last position.
Like clockwork, up comes a jeep approaching my old position from behind. 3-4 angry knuckleheads pile out and sneak toward my old sniper hide. One would hit the claymore. The others would get rounds on forehead as they looked around confused.
Wash, rinse, repeat.
Half my fun was fighting guys trying to come hunt me for revenge. Mmmmmmm. Feel the hate. It's like warm sunshine. ;)
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: CptTrips on August 11, 2024, 02:10:42 PM
Game… it’s a game. Any while it is combat oriented, griefing should not be tolerated if proven.
only HTC definition of geifing matters and I don't think "neo" actions rise to that level.. if it were up to each individual player to decide the definition of greifing everybody would be guilty
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: scott66 on August 11, 2024, 02:15:44 PM
Game… it’s a game. Any while it is combat oriented, griefing should not be tolerated if proven.
let's say you killed me and you were in a spit16 then I reupped and came back to where you were and seen there was a spit16 still there and I flew past 5 other bad guys to get to you for revenge.. am I guilty of griefing?
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: CptTrips on August 11, 2024, 02:17:11 PM
only HTC definition of geifing matters and I don't think "neo" actions rise to that level.. if it were up to each individual player to decide the definition of greifing everybody would be guilty
Again, multiple simultaneous logins across countries from a single ip should be blocked by the software, IMHO.
That could be workable and codeable.
That means members of the same household have to all play for the same country, but that can just be the compromise that has to be accepted to make it workable. Other than banning multiple accounts from a given household completely.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: knorB on August 11, 2024, 02:21:34 PM
HT doesn’t mind griefing at all. He allows multiple accounts. They can and have been used for many things. From hunting individuals, busting up noe missions and sinking hidden CVs after the cv base had been captured. If you don’t think that this has and is still going on you’re delusional. I understand that $ is $ and that’s why HT allows multiple accounts. Dwindling numbers and all.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: scott66 on August 11, 2024, 02:26:30 PM
Again, multiple simultaneous logins across countries from a single ip should be blocked by the software, IMHO.
That could be workable and codeable.
That means members of the same household have to all play for the same country, but that can just be the compromise that has to be accepted to make it workable. Other than banning multiple accounts from a given household completely.
I can see what you're saying and agree plus you have sniper rifles and claymores lol I agree multiple accounts means you have the capability to grief a player because you can switch sides if that player desires to fight another country to get away from another player but does it get used like that?
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: CptTrips on August 11, 2024, 02:27:55 PM
HT doesn’t mind griefing at all. He allows multiple accounts. They can and have been used for many things. From hunting individuals, busting up noe missions and sinking hidden CVs after the cv base had been captured. If you don’t think that this has and is still going on you’re delusional. I understand that $ is $ and that’s why HT allows multiple accounts. Dwindling numbers and all.
I didn't say I didn't understand.
I asked how is your proposed rule enforceable? From a practical standpoint. How would a mod evaluate an accusation and make the call?
There is no workable solution other than have HT simply ban people enough people don't like.
Even banning multiple accounts would have no effect. I simply get my buddy to go to another country and we talk on discord vox.
You could have a "vote off the island" feature every tour, where players all vote and one player each tour get above a threshold, they are banned. ;)
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: scott66 on August 11, 2024, 02:30:39 PM
HT doesn’t mind griefing at all. He allows multiple accounts. They can and have been used for many things. From hunting individuals, busting up noe missions and sinking hidden CVs after the cv base had been captured. If you don’t think that this has and is still going on you’re delusional. I understand that $ is $ and that’s why HT allows multiple accounts. Dwindling numbers and all.
nobody complains about cybo sitting on a CV in a plane doing nothing but flashing enemy bases as the CV gets closer for a "sneak" attack perhaps that account has owners not an owner
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: Skyyr on August 11, 2024, 02:31:51 PM
So I'll toss some things out:
Your stats don't update until you land. That means you can use .score <playername> and determine whether or not they're still in the air.
If you know the plane's last altitude, you can usually and fairly accurately determine whether they'll climb or cruise to their next destination.
Using each plane's approximate cruise speed and climb speeds (which, coincidentally, most planes climb at the same ground speed track), you can create a search area. If you know the vector the aircraft is most likely headed on, you can reduce this search area by approximately 75-85%.
Couple the above with knowing the aircraft type, and you can VERY easily locate most players.
You can make this even more effective by using actual search patterns within a grid.
This was also achievable prior to the system kill messages update by simply having a computer or phone pulled up with the player's stats. Refreshing the page would let you know who they killed and what plane they were in.
It's VERY easy to locate players without other accounts. I've said it once and I'll say it again: none of us have concurrent multiple accounts logged on. There's no need. It's super easy to locate anyone using the above. Why risk bannable behavior when you can pinpoint with > 95% probability where someone is, if you wished, with a single account?
Am I saying we target players? Nope. I'm simply saying that ignorance creates more ignorance. People thinking you need multiple accounts to track someone are paranoid as hell. We commonly have running bets on comms if we can ID who a player is or where they'll pop out at and we're more often than not spot-on, because it's super easy to allow the above to become second nature and part of SA once you get the hang of it.
I've named my accounts all "Skyyr/SkyyrII/SkyyrIII" so it's both obvious who I am and it's obvious that I'm not logging them on concurrently. Almost everyone else in our squad with multiple accounts uses the same naming convention, so it's easily to show we're not logging on concurrently.
The multiple accounts were made, ironically, because of complaints and accusations from players like Violator. We switch sides constantly for fights and so we were getting stuck on different countries. Players like Simon and Violator constantly screamed "cheat" when they would die because we were on different teams and accused us of reporting their position, despite the fact we weren't. So multiple accounts let us dedicate one account to each country and switch at will, together.
So before the multiple accounts, we had constant cheating allegation. Now after the multiple accounts, we have less, yet more outlandish, cheating allegations. It would be VERY obvious if we were logging them on concurrently (we're not).
I've asked Hitech to drop the timer to 1 hour or so, so that multiple accounts weren't needed. His response was: "no"
So unless Hitech says using accounts for side switches is against the rules, I'll be using them purely for that purpose.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: knorB on August 11, 2024, 02:32:59 PM
Way above my pay grade. All I can tell you is I’ve witnessed in the past someone switching fronts only to watch the griefer switch siides to continue to single out one individual.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: scott66 on August 11, 2024, 02:38:24 PM
I'm switching to decaf... I've had way too much coffee..I think I'll just shut up and fly<S> see you in the game we all love!
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: CptTrips on August 11, 2024, 02:41:13 PM
I can see what you're saying and agree plus you have sniper rifles and claymores lol I agree multiple accounts means you have the capability to grief a player because you can switch sides if that player desires to fight another country to get away from another player but does it get used like that?
OK. Point take.
Banning multiple accounts totally would prevent someone from changing countries to target a player willing to change countries to avoid them.
Shrug. I have no opinion on banning multiple accounts from a single household. I don't know if it's feasible to do that. Grandpa and his grand kids can't play online together?
Hmmm.
Hmmmm a single switch timer applies to any\all accounts from a give household ip? If one of the accounts can't switch, then none of them can but can continue to play on the country they are on? That might be workable.
And accounts from the same household ip always have to be on the same country.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: Animl-AW on August 11, 2024, 02:41:45 PM
A lot of thing can show majority on many issues instead of reading many posts. Whether they are acted on is a different issue.
But it gives majority a collective voice.
Griefing? Harassing one ayer snd harassing many is not the same.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: CptTrips on August 11, 2024, 02:50:33 PM
We commonly have running bets on comms if we can ID who a player is or where they'll pop out at and we're more often than not spot-on, because it's super easy to allow the above to become second nature and part of SA once you get the hang of it.
I will verify I've overheard in some of your videos, you discussing who a bandit likely is based on plane type and flying style.
No, those weren't fake conversations. I'd be able to tell. They were obviously organic. Nobody here is that good of an actor.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: Oldman731 on August 11, 2024, 02:52:12 PM
This was also achievable prior to the system kill messages update by simply having a computer or phone pulled up with the player's stats. Refreshing the page would let you know who they killed and what plane they were in.
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Am I saying we target players?
...er...well...sure seems like that's what you're doing, if you go through all this effort.
- oldman
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: Skyyr on August 11, 2024, 02:55:10 PM
...er...well...sure seems like that's what you're doing, if you go through all this effort.
- oldman
For example, one time, a player had a 80:1 k/d. Clearly they were avoiding combat while trying to pick other players, so it was handy to know what they were in and where they were; both so they could be ID'd and so that any effort would be focused on them and not the other targets in the area.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: Animl-AW on August 11, 2024, 03:01:12 PM
...er...well...sure seems like that's what you're doing, if you go through all this effort.
- oldman
Are you saying that is a HTC Term of Service violation? Can you specify the rule?
Players have been targeted since AW. You've never seen anyone ask, "HEy, where were you at when so-in-so killed you?" Then you go there and try and find the guy if you were looking to get even.
Would that be ban-able now?
Also, is anyone here going to dare claim that no one tries to hunt Skyyr?
Sure looks like it to me in some of the vids. As soon as he gets a kill in the vid and his name is in lights, he can look back view and there will be a string of 6 reds chasing him. Coincidence? Maybe.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: DmonSlyr on August 11, 2024, 03:27:37 PM
Assuming he is not signing into multiple accounts simultaneously in different countries to track an enemy players position ( a clear rule violation), what in all you listed is an actual actionable HTC rule violation?
Can he not check the stats page? Can he not look at the roster? Can he not ask a countryman who just showed having gotten killed by you on PM or country channel where he was when You killed his countryman? Can he not decide to fly there? Can he not engage any enemy planes there he chooses?
Bragging isn't a violation. If he was calling you obscene names on 200 it would be.
Exactly what is it you want enforced against Skyyr, and how would it be workable?
If they are on my team first in the same area, we are both in the in air, and then he lands, switch to the team we were just fighting while I'm still in the middle of a sortie, only to attack me with the advantage. And instances like this happen over and over again. What is the actual difference if they are using multiple accounts? He can see any side at any time 3 accounts anyway. Gaming all 3 sides at any moment.
It's garbage on HTC side. It's garbage with players gaming a system for targeting. It's garbage. That's all it is.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: CptTrips on August 11, 2024, 03:37:35 PM
It's garbage on HTC side. It's garbage with players gaming a system for targeting. It's garbage. That's all it is.
You are only speaking from subjective emotion.
Worse for blaming HT. There is no rational solution for that.
You are asking HT to become a psychic and guess the intent in Skyyr's mind. You are essentially expecting HT to enforce a thought-crime.
How does someone make sure they are not going to get banned if there is no set of written criteria for them to avoid and some completely innocent act can be interpreted by a wannabe psychic?
Maybe it just sorta worked out that way by accident. Prove it wasn't just accident.
Honest question..... If Skyyr's KD against you was 1:1 or worse, would we be having this discussion?
[Edit] Oh. If your solution is banning multiple household accounts or enforcing a rule they all have to stay in the same country and all are subject to the same switch cooldown timer, then, I wouldn't argue with that, though it might be equally unpopular to others.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: Busher on August 11, 2024, 03:48:45 PM
Hey Dale;
Still think it was a good idea to let this guy back in? :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: Animl-AW on August 11, 2024, 03:49:05 PM
If they are on my team first in the same area, we are both in the in air, and then he lands, switch to the team we were just fighting while I'm still in the middle of a sortie, only to attack me with the advantage. And instances like this happen over and over again. What is the actual difference if they are using multiple accounts? He can see any side at any time 3 accounts anyway. Gaming all 3 sides at any moment.
It's garbage on HTC side. It's garbage with players gaming a system for targeting. It's garbage. That's all it is.
Sure he will Yes it is
This is why dweeb hunts were invented in AW
My dad always said, be nice, because once you’re mean they won’t believe nice anymore. So be nice, be nice, until you can’t be nice anymore, then destroy them
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: CptTrips on August 11, 2024, 03:49:52 PM
Just ignore him. If he's around, find another good stick, team up. Avoid the headons, don't give him a shot and sooner or later he'll be running. Then he will squeal about it, write some silly stuff about him being gangbanged etc, enjoy his whining and move on. If he returns, rinse and repeat. Once he starts running away or pulling the plug, you can go back to other things.
Fighting him is fun in its own perverse way. He shoots really well, I would say even better then Judge, so if you offer him a shot, you will likely get killed. If he misses, it's usually vertical E fight with his flaps and engine tricks, which he has mastered in planes he flies, so he is rather dangerous. So likely you will lose, if you don't care about your score, there is some fun to be had. To make his life hell, bring a good wingman to whack him upside the head as he kills you ;) Despite all his claims he ain't so hot in 1 vs 2 or 1 vs 3.
Whole situation is sad, really. He flies a lot and it shows in his shooting and flying. He's good at this game, do doubt about that. If he wasn't such a flawed human, he would likely be remembered amongst the great ones. And this is what he wants. But everything he does ensures his legacy as a best known griefer of aces high. No matter how many 1 vs 1s he wins, no matter how many people he fights, he will never get what he wants .
Anyway, just ignore him. If he comes after you, find a friend, call on me if I'm around. We might die a little but fights will be fun and we'll likely make him squeal a little ;)
Or, just don’t engage with him. Go fight the other team, one hoard is as good as another. Squelch works well too. Deep down the guy hates himself, just like everyone else hates him.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: Oldman731 on August 11, 2024, 04:38:58 PM
Are you saying that is a HTC Term of Service violation? Can you specify the rule?
Not at all! It was my reaction to his statement, "Am I saying we target players? Nope."
While there's no rule against targeting people, it must get wearying if you're repeatedly the target. I have difficulty grasping the purpose of the exercise.
- oldman
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: AKIron on August 11, 2024, 04:51:43 PM
Sounds like you are calling "Player A" a cheater/hacker Animl. There is a process for reporting that. Posting here isn't it. Allow me to refer you to rule #7. And #8.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: CptTrips on August 11, 2024, 04:56:17 PM
Not at all! It was my reaction to his statement, "Am I saying we target players? Nope."
While there's no rule against targeting people, it must get wearying if you're repeatedly the target. I have difficulty grasping the purpose of the exercise.
"Allegedly" if you please. ;)
In general, it seems it would be people who have talked crap about someone and they need to have their attitude adjusted.
If someone claims someone has no skill, knows nothing about ACM, can't win without hack or a massive alt advantage or just got a lucky kill once...and they won't meet in the DA to prove it, then maybe they get accidentally "found" in the MA. ;) If someone does go to the DA, and loses repeatedly and still won't admit they were wrong and won't go back to the DA for more convincing, then maybe they get accidentally "found" in the MA. ;)
I could see that being one scenario.
I doubt in such an "alleged" case, the targets are just drawn out of a hat. ;)
So I guess maybe don't talk crap about someone's skillz, or be able to back it up in the DA. And if the DA proves unsuccessful, be willing to retract and not just stomp off and double down on what you can't back up?
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: AKIron on August 11, 2024, 04:57:30 PM
If you aren't insinuating someone is cheating with a description then you must be simply describing your lack of SA. Right?
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: Animl-AW on August 11, 2024, 04:57:35 PM
Sounds like you are calling "Player A" a cheater/hacker Animl. There is a process for reporting that. Posting here isn't it. Allow me to refer you to rule #7. And #8.
Stop putting words in my mouth. You been doing it for hours now. Do you not comorehend english text. Ir are you putting effort into it? Stop it
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: AKIron on August 11, 2024, 05:00:10 PM
I'll accept you were just describing your total lack of SA.
He was there! No, now he's there! Where'd he go? Oh no, he killed me. Think I'll start a thread about a "strange observation".
And at least in the vid Skyrr posted, it seemed to me Animl dove in on him right after he finished off two others. That doesn't seem supportive of the "targeting" theory. If Animl had a film that showed different, I didn't see it.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: AKIron on August 11, 2024, 05:14:12 PM
Insults like that are also a rule violation. You really oughta read them.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: Banshee7 on August 11, 2024, 05:21:54 PM
I would also like to point out that some of those accusing Skyyr of “hunting” specific players are just as guilty. I have been flying the 152 a lot lately, and I have watched players totally ignore the other cons around them just to fixate on me because they think I’m Skyyr. :rofl they will give up every tactical advantage they have to try to kill me in hopes that it’s him. I hope they are just as disappointed in killing me as I am dying to them… cause I suck :joystick:
I feel targeted.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: Grind on August 11, 2024, 05:22:29 PM
Sounds like you are calling "Player A" a cheater/hacker Animl. There is a process for reporting that. Posting here isn't it. Allow me to refer you to rule #7. And #8.
A lot of people accuse him of cheating. Without proof it’s a moot point. The dude is foul, he proves it every time he plays the game. And most would agree, except of course for his fanboys. Disengage and squelch. Easy.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: CptTrips on August 11, 2024, 05:25:57 PM
Same same. I have F9 mapped to a button my stick but I think I'd be better off being better at controlling my head movements-especially right after tracking a dude and finally getting him lined up. In the 2 million hours I've watched Skyyr's vids, I don't think I've noticed him having to re-center with F9 ever. If he does, he isn't enough off center or kilter for me to notice. I definitely get off center in my head movements while dying....errr.....flying. I utilize a tiny dead zone as well but I'd rather not need it. I just need more time with it.
The F9 key doesn’t recenter. It basically locks out TrackIr. F12 recenters.
I use Voice Attack. For example I say “Center” (F12 Key),”Target”(F9). At this point I’m using hat switches for my view system. I say “Target” again and I’m back to TrackIr.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: xanax on August 11, 2024, 06:13:38 PM
The F9 key doesn’t recenter. It basically locks out TrackIr. F12 recenters.
You are correct, my bad. It's F12 mapped to a button I hit with my smallest finger.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: AKIron on August 11, 2024, 06:20:47 PM
I believe those are changeable. You can't change and save the built-in default TrackIR profile but you can create a new one, alter it, then make it the default.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: Grind on August 11, 2024, 06:37:48 PM
I set my stuff to whatever the mapped keys are in the game.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: AKIron on August 11, 2024, 06:53:20 PM
Are you using the default profile then? Not mapping your own response curves? You oughta try it.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: fudgums on August 11, 2024, 07:15:35 PM
Gone for two days and this thing hits 18 pages lmao yall crazy
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: Banshee7 on August 11, 2024, 07:19:29 PM
Are you using the default profile then? Not mapping your own response curves? You oughta try it.
I’m using a custom Aces High profile for TrackIr. I just use the F9 key to lock my view. I center my view and lock it with the F9 key. Works great for manned guns and vehicles too. This is my work around, I don’t know what I don’t know. Any help would be appreciated.
I just wanted to add that Pops (I think that’s his game name) is the guy that told me about the F9 key.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: DmonSlyr on August 11, 2024, 08:16:08 PM
For example, one time, a player had a 80:1 k/d. Clearly they were avoiding combat while trying to pick other players, so it was handy to know what they were in and where they were; both so they could be ID'd and so that any effort would be focused on them and not the other targets in the area.
Yup, you flew within 1k past your squadmate Judge right passed him to jump me at the perfect time when I was down low after engaging a jabo bomber. Could even hear your engine from his plane as you passed him. Oh and Silent who hung around the whole time and didnt help me either....
It's obvious to anyone who isnt a complete idiot. Then you died wasting all of this alt and E to BnZ for me 2 minutes and I still almost killed you but bullets didn't do enough, but you got picked. Mr. SA spectacular here. This was your first month back and that's when I realized you were still the same ole dick.
Yup, you flew within 1k past your squadmate Judge right passed him to jump me at the perfect time when I was down low after engaging a jabo bomber. Could even hear your engine from his plane as you passed him. Oh and Silent who hung around the whole time and didnt help me either....
It's obvious to anyone who isnt a complete idiot. Then you died wasting all of this alt and E to BnZ for me 2 minutes and I still almost killed you but bullets didn't do enough, but you got picked. Mr. SA spectacular here. This was your first month back and that's when I realized you were still the same ole dick.
Wasn't talking about you, lol. Your K/D was like 72:1 or whatever before I got you killed. And you ran to help, as usual.
Trust me when I say it wasn't a lack of SA; it's that I didn't care if I died as long as you did. And that's exactly what happened. Sure I could have lived... and watched you run away safely. Or, I could have committed and killed you. Even though I didn't get the kill on you (I got killed right as my 30mm splash damage hit you), I still achieved my kill. I'll take a death, or even 10 deaths, if it means killing someone who's been artificially inflating their stats by avoiding any real fights.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: Grind on August 11, 2024, 08:48:05 PM
Of course! Right back into the 💩!
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: CptTrips on August 11, 2024, 08:54:21 PM
Any doubts could be resolved in the DA, right?
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: Tumor on August 11, 2024, 10:22:51 PM
Sounds like you are calling "Player A" a cheater/hacker Animl. There is a process for reporting that. Posting here isn't it. Allow me to refer you to rule #7. And #8.
If rules were being enforced... this thread wouldn't exist. And not because of the OPs post.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: AKIron on August 11, 2024, 10:23:07 PM
I’m using a custom Aces High profile for TrackIr. I just use the F9 key to lock my view. I center my view and lock it with the F9 key. Works great for manned guns and vehicles too. This is my work around, I don’t know what I don’t know. Any help would be appreciated.
I just wanted to add that Pops (I think that’s his game name) is the guy that told me about the F9 key.
Here are the more important axes and the curves I use. Allows me to get a more 1 to 1 in hte center and progressively greater response as I look off center. I can look straight back with by turning my head maybe 50-60 degrees off center. Clikc the + by the profile to create a new one as my arrow points to. You can set it to always be active on startup. The second arrow shows the name of the axis for the curve.
Here are the more important axes and the curves I use. Allows me to get a more 1 to 1 in hte center and progressively greater response as I look off center. I can look straight back with by turning my head maybe 50-60 degrees off center. Clikc the + by the profile to create a new one as my arrow points to. You can set it to always be active on startup. The second arrow shows the name of the axis for the curve.
Wasn't talking about you, lol. Your K/D was like 72:1 or whatever before I got you killed. And you ran to help, as usual.
Trust me when I say it wasn't a lack of SA; it's that I didn't care if I died as long as you did. And that's exactly what happened. Sure I could have lived... and watched you run away safely. Or, I could have committed and killed you. Even though I didn't get the kill on you (I got killed right as my 30mm splash damage hit you), I still achieved my kill. I'll take a death, or even 10 deaths, if it means killing someone who's been artificially inflating their stats by avoiding any real fights.
Once again lying to create a false situation and making up BS when that picture say it's all.
It was 76-1 first of all.
How the hell can someone "run" when they are 4k at 300 and you are diving from 11k at 500 mph?
I know it wasn't lack of SA. That's why I joked about it, which you fell right into, and prove that you were 100% aware that Judge was right next to you and you avoided him to attack me in the perfect setup. Why didn't judge turn around to help? Where was Silent?
You had no 30mm splash. No 30 hit me. I crashed from looking behind behind me and not pulling up in time. I did have about 30 50s in your wing that didn't work...
"Artificially inflate my score" - now that is freaking hilarious 😂
I play 5-20 sorties a month when I get time. That means almost every sortie I'm looking for a battle where I get atleast 3-5 kills, or defend a field to help save it.
This coming from a guy who plays 120 hours a month to Artificially inflate his points and game the MA and everyone every waking hour of the day. I don't have to do that win #1 and I don't have to set up unfair advantages against players to achieve fighter rank either. It's 100% pure strategy and skill on my part. Since there is no strategy left in the game, there's no point in playing anymore for me.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: Eagler on August 12, 2024, 08:11:46 AM
Was he ever in KOTH?
I don't recall seeing him there but I was not participating in it myself until around 2016 or so..
Eagler
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: Animl-AW on August 12, 2024, 08:21:35 AM
Has anyone noticed that Skyyr, Trips and AKIron are using the same sentence structure? Double talk, deflection and power of suggestion to steer away from the obvious?
My guess, they have extensive talks behind the scene on probably discord.
Make no mistake of the common tone, all 3 have been trying to cause as much damage as they can to AH.
Don’t look as much as what they say, but what they avoid saying, and what they all 3 deflect from. All the same.
Ya gonna tell me 127 pages of another sim was to help AH ?
They got shut down, now they seem to be trying something else.
When people talk a lot, they tend to talk alike.
Wait for the deflecting insults on me, its coming.
Trips has always used a group to come after me, and the more they fail, the more they are eager to try something else.
They are not the smartest clowns in the circus.
Trips:” you can’t stop me”
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: CptTrips on August 12, 2024, 08:37:05 AM
Has anyone noticed that Skyyr, Trips and AKIron are using the same sentence structure? Double talk, deflection and power of suggestion to steer away from the obvious?
My guess, they have extensive talks behind the scene on probably discord.
Well, once again, stable genius, your Delirium Tremens must be kicking in.
I've never had any interaction with Skyyr in text or vox, on this or any other platform, including Discord, before this thread. I have only watch the video links he has posted in various thread.
I've been friends with Iron since the mid-90's.
You should find some medical facility somewhere to get dried out.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: Animl-AW on August 12, 2024, 08:41:51 AM
Well, once again, stable genius, your Delirium Tremens must be kicking in.
I've never had any interaction with Skyyr in text or vox, on this or any other platform, including Discord, before this thread. I have only watch the video links he has posted in various thread.
I've been friends with Iron since the mid-90's.
You should find some medical facility somewhere to get dried out.
When ya hear a 70s style phone ring, do ya start to shake and shudder?
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: Skyyr on August 12, 2024, 08:48:15 AM
Has anyone noticed that Skyyr, Trips and AKIron are using the same sentence structure? Double talk, deflection and power of suggestion to steer away from the obvious?
My guess, they have extensive talks behind the scene on probably discord.
Make no mistake of the common tone, all 3 have been trying to cause as much damage as they can to AH.
Don’t look as much as what they say, but what they avoid saying, and what they all 3 deflect from. All the same.
Ya gonna tell me 127 pages of another sim was to help AH ?
They got shut down, now they seem to be trying something else.
When people talk a lot, they tend to talk alike.
Wait for the deflecting insults on me, its coming.
Trips has always used a group to come after me, and the more they fail, the more they are eager to try something else.
They are not the smartest clowns in the circus.
Trips:” you can’t stop me”
You cast aspersion on several begging for attention then complain when you get it. There's just a relatively few here. Your performance is before an audience in your imagination only. Take the red pill.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: AKIron on August 12, 2024, 09:35:58 AM
BTW, I've never flown with or against Skyyr. I've never talked to him on Discord or anywhere else. If you'd ever seen me fly many years ago you'd know I fly into any and every fight with abandon with no care for my k/d ratio and the scores prove that.
It's a game and losing a fight costs me what? Respect from my friends? Those aren't the kind of friends I want.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: Skyyr on August 12, 2024, 09:45:14 AM
Simple, by diving to the bottom of several friendlies; just like you do in almost every encounter we have.
Just like in almost every encounter you come in high and fast with more speed and E in a BnZ plane and expect me to do what exactly? Evading and reversing your BnZ isn't running :rofl if you came in in the same plane as me Co E, I'd maybe cut you some slack, but we both know you need the engineered plane and SA advantage after you switch to have a chance. ;)
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: Skyyr on August 12, 2024, 11:23:26 AM
Just like in almost every encounter you come in high and fast with more speed and E in a BnZ plane and expect me to do what exactly? Evading and reversing your BnZ isn't running :rofl if you came in in the same plane as me Co E, I'd maybe cut you some slack, but we both know you need the engineered plane and SA advantage after you switch to have a chance. ;)
The fact you posted about how I always had an E advantage at the merge, even in same plane and co-alt, proves that not only false, but that you don't even believe it yourself. You were posting about me 5 years after our last encounter, trying to figure out how I always managed an advantage, even when there wasn't one.
P.S. Your assertion is wrong lol, but keep guessing lil guy.
(https://imgur.com/8UZbqia.jpg)
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: CptTrips on August 12, 2024, 11:24:13 AM
Just like in almost every encounter you come in high and fast with more speed and E in a BnZ plane and expect me to do what exactly? Evading and reversing your BnZ isn't running :rofl if you came in in the same plane as me Co E, I'd maybe cut you some slack, but we both know you need the engineered plane and SA advantage after you switch to have a chance. ;)
That's an assertion.
Perhaps a best 3 out of 5 in the DA? Equal planes, alt, 1v1? Post the films.
That would resolve the claim that he can ONLY get a kill with an alt advantage, wouldn't it?
Because it didn't look that way from the duel vids with you I'd seen before. I'm not saying you aren't great pilot, but you are saying emotion driven things that aren't supported by the evidence I've seen.
As I asked before (you didn't answer), if his KD against you was 1:1 or worse, would we have any of these threads?
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: DmonSlyr on August 12, 2024, 11:25:07 AM
Perhaps a best 3 out of 5 in the DA? Equal planes, alt, 1v1? Post he films.
That would resolve the claim that he can ONLY get a kill with an alt advantage, wouldn't it?
Because it didn't look that way from the duel vids with you I'd seen before. I'm not saying you aren't great pilot, but you are saying emotion driven things that aren't supported by the evidence I've seen.
As I asked before (you didn't answer), if his KD against you was 1:1 or worse, would we have any of these threads?
This has nothing to do with the DA, and you are clearly avoiding discussing the obvious as Animl pointed out. You obviously don't know what you are talking about, and don't even play the game.
BTW, no other player in the game has ever done this. Please let me know any other player whose these tactics and 3 accounts? I'll wait. I've played a long long time to know. :old:
Here was the last duel we had.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: CptTrips on August 12, 2024, 11:27:16 AM
This has nothing to do with the DA, and you are clearly avoiding discussing the obvious as Animl pointed out. You obviously don't know what you are talking about, and don't even play the game.
And here was the one before:
https://youtu.be/RVmXSl13rao
For some reason, he wanted a 3rd one until he died a lot in the MA. Then he suddenly stopped asking for it and declined it altogether.
I guess he was fine going 1-1 and 8 (Skyyr) vs 6 (V) overall.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: knorB on August 12, 2024, 11:30:38 AM
You can’t pull what’s needed from youboob. Raw ah film .
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: DmonSlyr on August 12, 2024, 11:30:57 AM
Yes, it can control for all the variables people use as excuses for getting shot down.
The remaining variable is simply down to BFM skill vs BFM skill.
Same planes, alt.
You obviously don't know what you are talking about.
A player who games a strategic advantage over the other by knowing their plane and position after switching from my team has nothing to do with DA fighting.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: AKIron on August 12, 2024, 11:34:13 AM
Maybe I'm missing something but given two planes air start aimed at each other the person who turns away, without climbing, and then turns back in will have less speed/energy than the person who kept going straight when they meet.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: CptTrips on August 12, 2024, 11:35:26 AM
A player who games a strategic advantage over the other by knowing their plane and position after switching from my team has nothing to do with DA fighting.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: CptTrips on August 12, 2024, 11:40:56 AM
A player who games a strategic advantage over the other by knowing their plane and position after switching from my team has nothing to do with DA fighting.
No, you claim Skyyr has no skill and can only defeat you with a better plane and alt advantage.
I said you are a good pilot, but the above is a lie. It is obviously a lie to anyone who have watched the duel videos. If you are going to stick to that ridiculous position, then it begs proving under controlled conditions in the DA.
If you want to amend your statement to admit he is a skilled and dangerous pilot, but he is abusing the multiple accounts to catch you in the MA at a disadvantage, I won't bother aruging that as it is unprovable.
But for you to claim he has no skill and can only beat you with a plane and alt advantage just makes you look ridiculous.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: Skyyr on August 12, 2024, 11:44:26 AM
Nah, I'll come out and say what Violator's dodging on purpose, and I'll dig into the game mechanics:
Violator is trying to play a numbers game and players like me prevent that.
Violator has limited playtime, but he still wants to rank #1 (or high enough). So, he tries to maximize that by flying high ENY planes and getting kills as quickly as possible then landing. This creates a high score, high K/T, etc. However, it has one flaw: you can't actually compete in high ENY planes against pilots who know how to fight them _AND_ (key conjunction) still score well for yourself.
See, if you fly low ENY planes, you can perform well; but, your point scoring goes to hell. So you have to fly tens of sorties to achieve your desired rank. This does two things: this averages out your stats and it takes time. If you don't have time to play and you rely on < 20 sorties or so for scoring, then guess what? Low ENY planes don't really work. So you're not going to rank.
Enter high ENY planes.
If you can do the same things in high ENY planes (predominantly mid-war aircraft), you'll rank much more effectively for your time played. And guess what? You can do well in high ENY planes, sure. You can even kill quickly in them. You may even be able to be competitive 1v1 in them. You can also score well in high ENY planes. However, you can't do all of those when there's competition around. Queue the current dilemma that's being disguised as victimhood.
Before the majority of players quit, there were enough "top tier" sticks that you couldn't get away with using most high ENY planes to game the scoring system. The Spit 8/9 and the KI-84 were really the closest compromises. But now, no one's really around to hit the guy who's picking players in a Ki-84 or 109G6. So, many players have started using those for ranking purposes (or so it seems from looking at the stats of rankers with lower play times).
Violator is upset because if he's in a G6 and I'm in a Ta, I'm either winning or he's running to cover/help/etc. He's not mad because it's unfair, he's upset because it skews his attempt to score well. He could grab a K4 or some other late-war plane, sure; however, this interrupts his scoring methodology. And that's what all of this is about.
He's upset because he can't score well with players like myself, Judge, etc. around. That's why he's making such a big deal about switching fronts. He's not complaining because of unfair gameplay, he's complaining precisely because he can't get away with unfair gameplay. He can't fly a midwar plane and pick on noobs when there's players who understand what he's doing and counter it.
And ironically, that's what the scoring system and competition were supposed to be about: fighting. But now, it's turned into some sort of perverse "I'm going to go pick on noobs and then brag I'm #1 with 2 hours played."
That's why he's making such a big deal about spending 25 minutes fighting me out of 6 hours played. It's not because it's unfair, it's because it's preventing him from scoring using loopholes, of sorts.
There, I said the quiet part out loud.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: Spikes on August 12, 2024, 11:49:10 AM
Is it stated anywhere that higher ENY planes have an affect on score? I've never seen that anywhere.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: Skyyr on August 12, 2024, 11:50:27 AM
Is it stated anywhere that higher ENY planes have an affect on score? I've never seen that anywhere.
The general rule is, the higher the ENY, the more points for kill you get. It's not stated, but it's known.
I've tested it and found some nuances of it. It's technically correlational from what I've seen (I could be wrong and there could be an underlying modifier as well), but the short rule is: the higher the ENY, the more points you get. Usually it's significantly more.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: CptTrips on August 12, 2024, 11:52:07 AM
No. Your plane's ENY (or your countrys current ENY) has no impact on score whatsoever. The Kill Points are essentially points for physical damage inflicted on the enemy plane, the actuall kill itself is just worth one single point. And you don't even need to kill to get them. Severely damaging a bomber often gets you much more kill points than shooting down a fighter. Only death modifiers (= how you endd your sortie) apply.
No. Your plane's ENY (or your countrys current ENY) has no impact on score whatsoever. The Kill Points are essentially points for physical damage inflicted on the enemy plane, the actuall kill itself is just worth one single point. And you don't even need to kill to get them. Severely damaging a bomber often gets you much more kill points than shooting down a fighter. Only death modifiers (= how you endd your sortie) apply.
http://www.hitechcreations.com/features/scoring
While that may be the technical answer, there's some nuance to it that does result in higher scoring, according to tests we've done in-game. I'll record some in-game examples and post back here. I'm happy to be proven wrong, we'll see here in a bit.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: CptTrips on August 12, 2024, 12:36:09 PM
No. Your plane's ENY (or your countrys current ENY) has no impact on score whatsoever. The Kill Points are essentially points for physical damage inflicted on the enemy plane, the actuall kill itself is just worth one single point. And you don't even need to kill to get them. Severely damaging a bomber often gets you much more kill points than shooting down a fighter. Only death modifiers (= how you endd your sortie) apply.
http://www.hitechcreations.com/features/scoring
Good to know.
I had always been under the impression you got more score points getting kills with a lesser capable plane based on what I heard in the community.
I never looks as my scores were always too bad to worry about. :rofl
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: knorB on August 12, 2024, 12:41:33 PM
Fly cannon birds and you will score better.
There is a reason the score potatos flew tons of tempests and 262s.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: DmonSlyr on August 12, 2024, 12:42:09 PM
No, you claim Skyyr has no skill and can only defeat you with a better plane and alt advantage.
I said you are a good pilot, but the above is a lie. It is obviously a lie to anyone who have watched the duel videos. If you are going to stick to that ridiculous position, then it begs proving under controlled conditions in the DA.
If you want to amend your statement to admit he is a skilled and dangerous pilot, but he is abusing the multiple accounts to catch you in the MA at a disadvantage, I won't bother aruging that as it is unprovable.
But for you to claim he has no skill and can only beat you with a plane and alt advantage just makes you look ridiculous.
So beating him already in a 1v1 makes me a liar? Sound logic there... did you even watch that duel or no?
Nah, I'll come out and say what Violator's dodging on purpose, and I'll dig into the game mechanics:
Violator is trying to play a numbers game and players like me prevent that.
Violator has limited playtime, but he still wants to rank #1 (or high enough). So, he tries to maximize that by flying high ENY planes and getting kills as quickly as possible then landing. This creates a high score, high K/T, etc. However, it has one flaw: you can't actually compete in high ENY planes against pilots who know how to fight them _AND_ (key conjunction) still score well for yourself.
See, if you fly low ENY planes, you can perform well; but, your point scoring goes to hell. So you have to fly tens of sorties to achieve your desired rank. This does two things: this averages out your stats and it takes time. If you don't have time to play and you rely on < 20 sorties or so for scoring, then guess what? Low ENY planes don't really work. So you're not going to rank.
Enter high ENY planes.
If you can do the same things in high ENY planes (predominantly mid-war aircraft), you'll rank much more effectively for your time played. And guess what? You can do well in high ENY planes, sure. You can even kill quickly in them. You may even be able to be competitive 1v1 in them. You can also score well in high ENY planes. However, you can't do all of those when there's competition around. Queue the current dilemma that's being disguised as victimhood.
Before the majority of players quit, there were enough "top tier" sticks that you couldn't get away with using most high ENY planes to game the scoring system. The Spit 8/9 and the KI-84 were really the closest compromises. But now, no one's really around to hit the guy who's picking players in a Ki-84 or 109G6. So, many players have started using those for ranking purposes (or so it seems from looking at the stats of rankers with lower play times).
Violator is upset because if he's in a G6 and I'm in a Ta, I'm either winning or he's running to cover/help/etc. He's not mad because it's unfair, he's upset because it skews his attempt to score well. He could grab a K4 or some other late-war plane, sure; however, this interrupts his scoring methodology. And that's what all of this is about.
He's upset because he can't score well with players like myself, Judge, etc. around. That's why he's making such a big deal about switching fronts. He's not complaining because of unfair gameplay, he's complaining precisely because he can't get away with unfair gameplay. He can't fly a midwar plane and pick on noobs when there's players who understand what he's doing and counter it.
And ironically, that's what the scoring system and competition were supposed to be about: fighting. But now, it's turned into some sort of perverse "I'm going to go pick on noobs and then brag I'm #1 with 2 hours played."
That's why he's making such a big deal about spending 25 minutes fighting me out of 6 hours played. It's not because it's unfair, it's because it's preventing him from scoring using loopholes, of sorts.
There, I said the quiet part out loud.
Completely lies and dog$cit. Trying to hide from the garbage you know you are pulling.
I fly a 109G14, K4, G2, Ki84, K4, P47, F4U most of the time, and maybe a spit 8 here and there for fun.. the 76 in the P51 was because Vraciu said I couldn't get #1 in a P51, which I then proved him wrong with a 36 K/D (#1) and 3.32 K/S (#3). The G14 25 ENY plane, and generally doesn't give me a lot of points I need. The G2 is over 30 I think. If I'm attacking, I like to grab a P47, K4, or F4U. If I'm defending I like to grab a ki84, G2, generally. Those are not "high eny planes" I use specific planes for the current situation. If I'm lucky, a few bombers will show up allowing me to get a high hit% and K/T and additional points. That's called strategy. Secondly, I don't fly to die. That's a waste of my short time. Generally I only die by being caught and ganged most of the time. Which is all your squad can do in your super BnZ mode planes like the Ta152 that use to be perked, and a La7 that should be perked. The La7 is one of the fastest planes in the game on the deck. The Ta152 is one of the fastest planes above 15k, with serious cannons that make for short easy kills when a bullet connects. And looking through your stats, you fly way more sorties in perked planes than I do.
Not once do I need to look at people's stats on the website to track them down. You are "trying to prevent that" by gaming me when I'm low defending fields. On multiple occasions switching to the hoarding team to gang me. So again, you see I'm flying a 109G14 by monitoring my stats, then switch, grab a 152, get to 14k and then come to my base to gang me. I have no way to change planes to counter. I now have to climb as high as I can, and even still you come in higher or at my alt every single time and B-line it right to me every single time right when you enter the fight.
To say I'm using "loopholes" is projection when infact you are the one using loopholes to game an advantage to "keep me from getting kills and defending a field so I don't score good".
Oh, and the way I play is far more riskier for score, since one death really hurts my Points, K/D, and K/S, where as you can fly 500 sorties and not worry about dying so much as your points offset your poor K/D and poor K/S.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: Skyyr on August 12, 2024, 12:48:10 PM
Oh, and the way I play is far more riskier for score, since one death really hurts my Points, K/D, and K/S, where as you can fly 500 sorties and not worry about dying so much as your points offset your poor K/D and poor K/S.
You really don't understand statistics, do you? lol
So again, you see I'm flying a 109G14 by monitoring my stats, then switch, grab a 152, get to 14k and then come to my base to gang me.
I'm almost ALWAYS in a 152, regardless of what someone flies. The fact you typed this sentence alone shows your arguments are nothing more than emotion. lol
This is almost as bad as the time you accused me of colluding with TA57x to fly the same planes and hunt you down.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: DmonSlyr on August 12, 2024, 12:51:02 PM
You really don't understand statistics, do you? lol
I'm almost ALWAYS in a 152, regardless of what someone flies. The fact you typed this sentence alone shows your arguments are nothing more than emotion. lol
This is almost as bad as the time you accused me of colluding with TA57x to fly the same planes and hunt you down.
Yeah well two 152 entered the fight and both jumped me, before i knew it was TA57. Looked like a set up to me in the moment. TA, who ironically grabbed a 152 TO FIGHT YOU :rofl as you were just fighting that side.
Shoot, too bad I don't have all day to make a video of every example over the last 6 months. I probably have 8 -10 examples.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: Eagler on August 12, 2024, 01:00:09 PM
Maybe he will post the video from last night when I logged on as Knight and spawned right in front of his Knight sky login only to see him bail immediately and switch to bish sky login and proceed to hunt me down...
I think he likes my after shave or something...never had a pal like this in my 24 years here..strange dude for sure
Eagler
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: Banshee7 on August 12, 2024, 01:08:29 PM
There are players I like killing because of interactions I've had with them before, and I know the response I'll get on 200 after they die. Never had a need to hunt them down. Every pilot has their own tendencies that are easy to pick up on, down to the skins they fly. :banana:
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: Skyyr on August 12, 2024, 01:17:30 PM
Maybe he will post the video from last night when I logged on as Knight and spawned right in front of his Knight sky login only to see him bail immediately and switch to bish sky login and proceed to hunt me down...
I think he likes my after shave or something...never had a pal like this in my 24 years here..strange dude for sure
Eagler
Our squad logged on and switched to Bish, so I switched. I knew you'd claim something ridiculous regarding this, so I took a screenshot preemptively as proof. Your silly paranoid chat is even in the buffer.
So beating him already in a 1v1 makes me a liar? Sound logic there... did you even watch that duel or no?
I will watch your video later when I have time. But I really don't need to.
I've already seen examples of you getting kills on Skyyr in Skyrr's own videos.
But I've never claimed you have no skill and can only get kills on skyyr with a plane or alt advantage. I've seen plenty of the vids of Skyyr killing you in the DA with equal planes from equal alt and 1v1.
So for you to claim HE has no skill and is not capable of that is nonsense and makes you look silly. We've seen the videos of him doing it at least some number of times.
At this point it is only your emotions and ego running your keyboard and you are making foolish statements.
Are you willing to admit now that he is a skilled and dangerous pilot who IS capable of getting kills on you with equal planes, from equal alt, 1v1 at least some non-zero percentage of the time?
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: Eagler on August 12, 2024, 02:36:01 PM
Our squad logged on and switched to Bish, so I switched. I knew you'd claim something ridiculous regarding this, so I took a screenshot preemptively as proof. Your silly paranoid chat is even in the buffer.
I will watch your video later when I have time. But I really don't need to.
I've already seen examples of you getting kills on Skyyr in Skyrr's own videos.
But I've never claimed you have no skill and can only get kills on skyyr with a plane or alt advantage. I've seen plenty of the vids of Skyyr killing you in the DA with equal planes from equal alt and 1v1.
So for you to claim HE has no skill and is not capable of that is nonsense and makes you look silly. We've seen the videos of him doing it at least some number of times.
At this point it is only your emotions and ego running your keyboard and you are making foolish statements.
Are you willing to admit now that he is a skilled and dangerous pilot who IS capable of getting kills on you with equal planes, from equal alt, 1v1 at least some non-zero percentage of the time?
Oh yes you do need to. You'll learn a lot when Skyyr isn't able to rope me on every merge at 2am drunk... :aok
I didn't even consider that a serious duel but skyyr just had to post it all over the place like the Dhead he is, so he can "have that one" the second fight was a serious challenge.
If you want to sponsor a 1v1 fight for cash payment to both me and skyyr for the hassle, and put it all over Twitch and youtube live to get big attention to AH, I'll consider it. :aok until then, it's not worth my time to fight someone with 500 hours in 3 months.
You can talk this "skill game" all you want, but we are talking about the MA where things aren't necessarily fair, but what skyyr is exerting in the MA having to use the obtuse tactics to target people in order claim dominance over everyone is clearly an emotional response from an emotional ego. He may have ACM skill, but he has poor gamemenship and poor ability to play a game honestly without having to watch people's scores page to switch sides target them and gain the advantage over them from metrics outside the game. Why would such a good player have to use such lousy tactics to prove they are good?
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: scott66 on August 12, 2024, 02:46:23 PM
I hate it when mom and dad fight :cry
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: Tumor on August 12, 2024, 02:48:27 PM
Maybe I'm missing something but given two planes air start aimed at each other the person who turns away, without climbing, and then turns back in will have less speed/energy than the person who kept going straight when they meet.
You'd think, wouldn't ya? :rofl
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: DmonSlyr on August 12, 2024, 02:52:18 PM
Oh yes you do need to. You'll learn a lot when Skyyr isn't able to rope me on every merge at 2am drunk... :aok
I didn't even consider that a serious duel
The sun was in my eye...I wasn't ready....I was shooting against the wind....my shoes were untied....my joystick was acting up,,,,,I was drunk.
OK. Lets get a clarification.
Does Skyyr have sufficient skill to get a fair kill on you under controlled, equal conditions, co-alt, same plane, a 1v1, both pilots sober, at least some meaningful percentage of the attempts?
Yes, or no?
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: AKIron on August 12, 2024, 02:57:21 PM
Our fights were before the current DA airspawns if that is what you are referring too.
Given both planes take off at the same time the one who travels the straightest line will have the most energy when they meet. Assuming both at full power and an observed altitude limit. And the same rate of climb to merge altitude.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: DmonSlyr on August 12, 2024, 03:01:02 PM
The sun was in my eye...I wasn't ready....I was shooting against the wind....my shoes were untied....my joystick was acting up,,,,,I was drunk.
OK. Lets get a clarification.
Does Skyyr have sufficient skill to get a fair kill on you under controlled, equal conditions, co-alt, same plane, a 1v1, both pilots sober, at least some meaningful percentage of the attempts?
Yes, or no?
Why don't you want to talk about skyyr targeting and chasing off players with dweeb tactics and endless hours to fly?
You can't explain why he has to go through all this trouble to target players. Is that emotional or not?
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: AKIron on August 12, 2024, 03:11:32 PM
Vy vs Vx, another topic. I would assume you'd have time to get to altitude and max speed prior to the merge which makes it moot.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: Skyyr on August 12, 2024, 03:13:12 PM
Vy vs Vx, another topic. I would assume you'd have time to get to altitude and max speed prior to the merge which makes it moot.
DING DING DING
(Hint: he doesn't know)
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: DmonSlyr on August 12, 2024, 03:18:07 PM
If you want to be super logical, both planes should enter the fight at the exact same speed and alt to be 100% fair. But if one player gets to alt and flys level longer than the other before they both reach top speed, then one player is going faster than the other.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: CptTrips on August 12, 2024, 03:21:26 PM
Why don't you want to talk about skyyr targeting and chasing off players with dweeb tactics and endless hours to fly?
You can't explain why he has to go through all this trouble to target players. Is that emotional or not?
You haven't answered my question first? Then I will answer your. (Which I already have earlier, but I will again...)
Does Skyyr have sufficient skill to get a fair kill on you under controlled, equal conditions, co-alt, same plane, a 1v1, both pilots sober, at least some meaningful percentage of the attempts?
Yes, or no?
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: DmonSlyr on August 12, 2024, 03:27:05 PM
You haven't answered my question first? Then I will answer your. (Which I already have earlier, but I will again...)
Does Skyyr have sufficient skill to get a fair kill on you under controlled, equal conditions, co-alt, same plane, a 1v1, both pilots sober, at least some meaningful percentage of the attempts?
Yes, or no?
What does it matter? That has nothing to do with my arguement.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: CptTrips on August 12, 2024, 03:30:39 PM
If you want to be super logical, both planes should enter the fight at the exact same speed and alt to be 100% fair. But if one player gets to alt and flys level longer than the other before they both reach top speed, then one player is going faster than the other.
I always want to be super logical. Sometimes I even know when to keep my mouth shut. This isn't one of those times.
Don't assume the plane that reaches alt first has the advantage. There are many variables.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: DmonSlyr on August 12, 2024, 03:44:31 PM
I always want to be super logical. Sometimes I even know when to keep my mouth shut. This isn't one of those times.
Don't assume the plane that reaches alt first has the advantage. There are many variables.
It's about which plane flies straight the farthest at max alt before reaching top speed. Really very simple, in a logical analysis. That doesn't always determine the outcome of the fight though.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: DmonSlyr on August 12, 2024, 03:50:22 PM
It addresses your claim that he does not. Have you abandoned that ridiculous position?
Do you now admit he is a skilled and dangerous pilot capable of getting kills on you even under equal conditions?
I don't know if he is or isn't in the MA. You arent getting my point. almost every engagement in the MA has been sketchy of him coming after me after I get a kill. I've only attacked skyyr 3 or so times with the attacking advantage and I didn't even switch teams, it was a natural fight. I didn't even have to see who he killed, or look at any Stat page lol. Notice the difference?
It's just that when I enter an arena, Skyyr cannot predict that. He doesn't know I'm flying unless a teamate is on my team, or if he sees me get a kill. I could use that to go after skyyr every time I log on, but is that how I want to spend my $15 few hours? F THAT.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: scott66 on August 12, 2024, 04:00:02 PM
I don't know if he is or isn't in the MA. You arent getting my point. almost every engagement in the MA has been sketchy of him coming after me after I get a kill. I've only attacked skyyr 3 or so times with the attacking advantage and I didn't even switch teams, it was a natural fight. I didn't even have to see who he killed, or look at any Stat page lol. Notice the difference?
It's just that when I enter an arena, Skyyr cannot predict that. He doesn't know I'm flying unless a teamate is on my team, or if he sees me get a kill. I could use that to go after skyyr every time I log on, but is that how I want to spend my $15 few hours? F THAT.
you are a valued player and a good stick I don't want to see you go what if your sub was covered bud I've played along side and against you for many moons then you can log in at your leisure no pressure
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: CptTrips on August 12, 2024, 04:06:19 PM
As far as I know, there is no special set of physics in the MA vs the DA. If he could do it in the DA, he could do it in the MA. Are you now claiming the MA has a different flight model than the DA? I wasn't aware of that. Are you claiming that argument?
If you are claiming he can't, or are claiming it hasn't been proven, then that suggests the experiment needs to be repeated under the controlled conditions of the DA to eliminate all the variables you use for excuses. If you will admit he does, and has, then the issue is resolved.
As to you other question, I've already stated I don't see how that can be proven. SO the premise of your question assumes a fact pattern that has not been proven.
If you have evidence he has used multiple accounts to simultaneously spy and track your position, then send that the HT and I almost guarantee you he will get banned. If you do not have such evidence, then I question what basis you are using to publicly accuse him.
If he is targeting you using the basic info openly provided to all players by HT, that violates no Terms of Service rules I am aware of and frankly I've seen grudge hunting go on in every sim since AW. You simply ask the last countryman seen getting killed by him where he was last seen and what was he flying when he killed him and the you go hunt your nemesis to satisfy a grudge. That is a basic MP game loop. Occurs in every sim. I've seen that since 1990.
As far as him playing endless hours, why is that a problem? Are there not half the players here that spend every waking moment on this game? Won't they always have some advantage over a players that only gets to play occasionally? Do you want to limit how many hours a day a player can play? Do you want HT to start charging by the hour?
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: Skyyr on August 12, 2024, 04:07:58 PM
It's just that when I enter an arena, Skyyr cannot predict that. He doesn't know I'm flying unless a teamate is on my team, or if he sees me get a kill. I could use that to go after skyyr every time I log on, but is that how I want to spend my $15 few hours? F THAT.
PLEASE DO THIS. I'm not even joking lol
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: knorB on August 12, 2024, 04:26:10 PM
Someone hasn’t figured out the nail that sticks out gets the hammer.
It is truly amusing.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: DmonSlyr on August 12, 2024, 04:35:53 PM
Waste of my short time to play. It makes no difference for someone who has all day/night to play. I play for the strategy of the current situation in fighters, not to chase people around a map. That's not the point of the game. This isn't match play. They have Warthunder and IL2 for that.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: Lazerr on August 12, 2024, 04:44:59 PM
You cast aspersion on several begging for attention then complain when you get it. There's just a relatively few here. Your performance is before an audience in your imagination only. Take the red pill.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: AKIron on August 12, 2024, 05:31:52 PM
It's about which plane flies straight the farthest at max alt before reaching top speed. Really very simple, in a logical analysis. That doesn't always determine the outcome of the fight though.
For the sake of logic, no, it isn't "which plane flies straight the farthest at max alt before reaching top speed". If you climb to 10,000 feet at 200 kts you will most likely reach 10,000 ft before I do and travel further in a straight line at that altitude than me climbing out at 300kts. That does not automatically mean you will be going faster than me when we merge at 10,000ft. There are aircraft specific variables to consider.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: Animl-AW on August 12, 2024, 05:43:23 PM
If one thing is allowed the same should be allowed x10 3 fronts
You guys are not playing by his rules
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: AKIron on August 12, 2024, 05:44:08 PM
Sorry if I'm off topic of how "Player A" is performing these unexplainable feats but I find aeronautics much more interesting.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: Skyyr on August 12, 2024, 05:51:02 PM
For the sake of logic, no, it isn't "which plane flies straight the farthest at max alt before reaching top speed". If you climb to 10,000 feet at 200 kts you will most likely reach 10,000 ft before I do and travel further in a straight line at that altitude than me climbing out at 300kts. That does not automatically mean you will be going faster than me when we merge at 10,000ft. There are aircraft specific variables to consider.
Please, genuinely, stop educating him. His entire squad wrote literal essays trying to figure out what "cheat" I was using to be faster at the merge. A private pilot with 20 hours of ground school would have known the answer. I'd prefer they stay ignorant, 9 years later. :D
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: Banshee7 on August 12, 2024, 05:51:33 PM
When you've drained the last drop from your plastic bottle of cheap generic vodka, how long before you begin to shake and shudder?
8 hours?
Notice what you didn’t reply to
You have very lonely life don’t you.
You revert back into yourself, you project.
You have nothing else or no one else to entertain. You have no growth, you have no direction. You are shunned and its causing self implosion. You invent a persona you have more control over
Reality is not your friend.
You praise Skyyr on discord, because your heart is filled with hate about your situation
Skyyr hasn’t worked in months. Starting to question why. We 86 crazies too
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: Animl-AW on August 12, 2024, 06:18:36 PM
Please, genuinely, stop educating him. His entire squad wrote literal essays trying to figure out what "cheat" I was using to be faster at the merge. A private pilot with 20 hours of ground school would have known the answer. I'd prefer they stay ignorant, 9 years later. :D
Your own medicine is coming. Open up
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: CptTrips on August 12, 2024, 06:33:59 PM
You praise Skyyr on discord, because your heart is filled with hate about your situation
I have never spoken to Skyyr on Discord. What are you babbling about?
I just find it ridiculous for Dmonslyer, or anyone else to claim Skyyr has no ACM skills and can't get kills unless he has an alt or plane advantage. The vids are public. How many duel vids do you need to see? Any rational, objective, honest observer would realize that is nonsense.
Anyone claiming that, needs to go into the DA with him in controlled conditions and provide a best 5 out of 7 duel test in film and vid if you want. I suspect he can at least hold his own against anyone in here. If you claim that is false, then run the experiment and provide us the data.
As far as his sht talk, well he is not alone there. That's pretty much all of chan200 which is why I never tuned it so it would never be something that would affect me.
If you have actual evidence of him using multiple accounts to track players, I say submit that to HT. Today! That would be a clear violation and I would support you submitting that data.
I can't phrase any of this any more clearly for you. Wait and re-read it when you are sober and maybe it will stick.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: Animl-AW on August 12, 2024, 06:38:03 PM
Ironically. We have not run supplies to Ukraine for a while. Yet when we do again you’re on AH
How’s that psychological evaluation going?
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: Animl-AW on August 12, 2024, 06:41:27 PM
What are you babbling about now? What did I not reply too?
Something about a 70's phone clanging? I don't even know what that means.
Please get medical help.
Don't expect me to dissect most of your walls of text. They are nothing but drunk dribble.
I have never spoken to Skyyr on Discord. What are you babbling about?
I just find it ridiculous for Dmonslyer, or anyone else to claim Skyyr has no ACM skills and can't get kills unless he has an alt or plane advantage. The vids are public. How many duel vids do you need to see? Any rational, objective, honest observer would realize that is nonsense.
Anyone claiming that, needs to go into the DA with him in controlled conditions and provide a best 5 out of 7 duel test in film and vid if you want. I suspect he can at least hold his own against anyone in here. If you claim that is false, then run the experiment and provide us the data.
As far as his sht talk, well he is not alone there. That's pretty much all of chan200 which is why I never tuned it so it would never be something that would affect me.
If you have actual evidence of him using multiple accounts to track players, I say submit that to HT. Today! That would be a clear violation and I would support you submitting that data.
I can't phrase it any of this any more clearly for you. Wait and re-read it when you are sober and maybe it will stick.
Denial, is your first escape
“,,,come back Shane!!, Shane come back, Shane!! Shane!! Come back…”
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: CptTrips on August 12, 2024, 06:44:23 PM
Help me out. Without a wall of text, ask me your question again in clear sucienct English. I don't know what you mean by 70's phone clanging. Is that your question?
Can anyone translate Animl's drunk-speak?
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: CptTrips on August 12, 2024, 06:47:11 PM
These threads tend to only be a preview of the soap-opera that occurs in game. Maybe I’ll cancel my Netflix.
Ironically, in game they’re mostly quiet :rofl
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: Animl-AW on August 12, 2024, 08:07:03 PM
Skyyr takes off 2 sectors away from fight. He comes in at 15k full speed. I spot him in a regular basis. Cap those bases and deprive him of alt and speed. With iut that he’s just averave. Ho him every time. Give him no chances.
Player by his rules
I can spot him with zero aids.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: Animl-AW on August 12, 2024, 08:46:02 PM
Are there some other voices in your head you are having a conversation with?
You’re seriously struggling with me. Any port in the childish storm huh? Grasping grasping. Lil panic there Gumby? Uts consistently you who cranks up your gumball machine. We all know it. You think you’re always.going to have the last word . You lose your mind because I don’t grant that.
I could get drunk as sin and still run circles around you, if I drank. I so have you pegged.
Always insult the sourse to remove credibility that you are pegged.
Kleenex?
How many actually reply to your garbage?
<opens bag of popcorn> dance boy, dance
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: CptTrips on August 12, 2024, 09:03:40 PM
OK. I didn't think you were referring to anything meaningful, but was just checking.
Didn't mean to interrupt your drank-on. Bon Appetit.
So what you’re really saying is you have a severe drinking problem. It shows. Every comment you make to me is projection that you’re running from yourself, snd prefer its someone else with your problem.
The fact you left out “…if I drank” is clear. You seriously do resemble a 15 yr old angry little girl. Too late to mature now.
You prefer to make this thread your 150th drama bank and rally the damage Skyyr has done to tho game you quit 9 yrs ago. If you’re not in it it must die right. We all see your efforts.
Such a sad human, get mental help whacko, go buy a friend? Do something with you shallow life
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: AKIron on August 13, 2024, 11:54:14 AM
I'm still wondering why this thread isn't locked. It is a poorly hidden accusation of hacking and behavioral cheating.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: CptTrips on August 13, 2024, 12:00:37 PM
Skyyr takes off 2 sectors away from fight. He comes in at 15k full speed. I spot him in a regular basis. Cap those bases and deprive him of alt and speed. With iut that he’s just averave. Ho him every time. Give him no chances.
Animal, for an altitude and speed advantage to work you actually have to know what to do with it. Next time try not to blow all your speed immediately and you might have a chance to run away for another drink.
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: knorB on August 13, 2024, 12:40:20 PM
Animal, for an altitude and speed advantage to work you actually have to know what to do with it. Next time try not to blow all your speed immediately and you might have a chance to run away for another drink.
FO punk I DO NOT DRINL ypu worthless puddle of vomit <spits>
Title: Re: Lets call it strange observation
Post by: Animl-AW on August 13, 2024, 12:42:58 PM