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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: caldera on May 21, 2016, 01:15:15 PM
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...to have 0% chance of dying, why not save the $15 and play offline? Or is it so that your score/stats can give the illusion that there was some danger, being you were in the Late War Arena.
Just logged out of LW after upping to follow an incoming red dot. Got my 202 to 12k when the red dot became three tiny black dots, way over my head. Extrapolating a bit, that means he is more than 6k above or 18,000 feet over my head. So this guy is bombing from at least 30k, in a grid with only one enemy plane, in an arena with 115 total players and 240 bases. Pure excitement.
Fought a P-51 the other day. He ran to ack immediately after blowing his advantage. Rinse, repeat until he finally ran home for good. Again, I was in a C.202. How much more advantage can I give up to get a fight?
AH3 can't get here fast enough, because most of the people left playing AH2 seem to have no interest in any combat that they might lose. :rolleyes:
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For ever and Ever ahmen
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The sad part is that most people who fly this timidly still have a terrible score, and they will never improve flying this way. It's pretty much the worst type of flying on top of boredom.
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Some people enjoy simulating a WWII combat environment. Aces High ain't quite that... but it's the closest thing out there.
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mandatory alt limits when <300 players
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Pay my subscription costs and I'll fly "your" way, until them I'm going have fun my way. :devil
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Some people enjoy simulating a WWII combat environment. Aces High ain't quite that... but it's the closest thing out there.
I'm no historian but there few single ship bombing missions during WWII over enemy airspace that was covered by one fighter, lol. Please discontinue use of the phrase "WWII combat simulation" hahaha. That requires combat. Not altfairyness.
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Pay my subscription costs and I'll fly "your" way, until them I'm going have fun my way. :devil
Are you actually "playing" or just MS Flight simming (with toon bombs)when no combat occurs? Practicing high alt navigation? Or my fav, saving fuel....
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Flying to lose is, well....stupid.
Who the hell flies to lose? I fly to win! If you can't catch me, tough tutu. If you take off too late and can't get alt, I'm not going to blow 15k of alt just so you can shoot at me.
You know where the excitement is? Watching your base and town get blown to pieces while you gawk helplessly to stop it.
So keep sitting there on the deck hoping and praying for someone to dive down to you, and put their tail right in your gunsight. Then you can come here and complain about it some more.
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Blooz, running away is not flying to win either.
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I'm no historian but there few single ship bombing missions during WWII over enemy airspace that was covered by one fighter, lol. Please discontinue use of the phrase "WWII combat simulation" hahaha. That requires combat. Not altfairyness.
Whatever. Feel free to make an offer to pay my subscription and I'll consider participating in AH in a manner consistent with whatever you deem necessary. Between now and then, whining about those who attempt to make AH, for them, something other than the typical modern version of pointy-clicky :joystick: hoohooweeweebangbang :x console game, is free and limitless. Enjoy.
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Flying to lose is, well....stupid.
Who the hell flies to lose? I fly to win! If you can't catch me, tough tutu. If you take off too late and can't get alt, I'm not going to blow 15k of alt just so you can shoot at me.
You know where the excitement is? Watching your base and town get blown to pieces while you gawk helplessly to stop it.
So keep sitting there on the deck hoping and praying for someone to dive down to you, and put their tail right in your gunsight. Then you can come here and complain about it some more.
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real war, fly smart or die.
AH simulation, peeps demand real life style combat, until they realize its mostly boring for hours on end except for 30 secs of abject fear, then they want unreal war play for its entertainment value. Truly amazing the stances peeps will take to force what they say they do not really want, in their game play, something unreal.
I imagine peeps methods would change if there was a 5 min time limit for staying dead......................... .........
:salute
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+1
real war, fly smart or die.
AH simulation, peeps demand real life style combat, until they realize its mostly boring for hours on end except for 30 secs of abject fear, then they want unreal war play for its entertainment value. Truly amazing the stances peeps will take to force what they say they do not really want, in their game play, something unreal.
I imagine peeps methods would change if there was a 5 min time limit for staying dead......................... .........
:salute
Yeah, I'd find a new game.
Realistic flying is fine, even preferred, in special events. But in the MA, fight or go home.
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I have ben spending more and more time in World Of Warships. I share the very same frustration as the OP and it has come to the point where there are more runners than fighters. I accept that it is your $15 and you can chose to play it your way. I just think it is a shame that a combat game has so many who actively seek to avoid combat.
AH3 will not change anything. The mentality will remain.
And, for those who put forward the 'play like it is real' argument, I echo the OP's comment - why not just play offline? If you are going to avoid combat where is the point in being in an arena with other people?
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Could be a misassumption that people pay $15 a month for combat. More likely to a lot of players it's $15 worth of 'win' no matter how they get it.
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Flying to lose is, well....stupid.
Who the hell flies to lose? I fly to win! If you can't catch me, tough tutu. If you take off too late and can't get alt, I'm not going to blow 15k of alt just so you can shoot at me.
You know where the excitement is? Watching your base and town get blown to pieces while you gawk helplessly to stop it.
So keep sitting there on the deck hoping and praying for someone to dive down to you, and put their tail right in your gunsight. Then you can come here and complain about it some more.
Absolutely. If you are a guy with no patience, unwilling to spend the time to fly to 30K to shoot down a set of buffs at 30K, guess what, you don't get to shoot those buffs down. If you are a buff driver unwilling to spend the time or have the patience to fly to alt before getting to your target...guess what......it's unlikely you will complete many missions. Complete means to at least land one buff after hitting your target.
If you are a guy in a turny bird complaining about high alt BnZers not fighting you on your terms, guess what, too bad, get in an interceptor and chase them down. What's that you say? That's not how you want to play? Well there must be dozens of guys just waiting to fight you because they are all here, taking your side, lamenting the current gameplay. Why don't you guys just call out "Furball at field XXX, come join us!"
I know you high buff drivers know me, because we engage each other regularly. I look forward to that fight. I find it extremely exciting. I've made an investment to get up to you. You've made an investment to get to that alt by flying for quite some time while climbing. Both of us want to succeed but there is a bit more at stake then the low guys have. If either of us die, we can't immediately re engage, we have to spend the time again. I often wonder how you feel, after I've made a first pass on your buffs and you get that message "You've been shot down by Zoney" and you see me climbing back up to get back in position for that second pass. Is it as thrilling for you as it is for me? Because I've gotten the message You have shot down XXXXXX", and I know you are good in your guns, I know I can't make a mistake, and I know you are ready.
There is one game here, and a thousand ways to play it, almost the same number of ways you can complain about it.
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I flew today for the first time this month (things have been too busy at home to get on). Took up the Yak 9T for some light scenario practice.
Killed lots, died a few times, which is rare for me because I'm usually un-touchable bordering on cheat. I blame the crappy plane I was flying because the only trouble I ran into was dogfighting spitfires. Still managed to take a few with me but I can see how people get bent out of shape about how even an average pilot can look good in such an awesome ride.
Tried to get OBX to start a Fuss about politics but my bait must have gotten stinky. :(
Helped capture about 4 Bish bases and the one that got away was a goon attempt behind enemy lines. Landed on a mountain with the goon, as our other one got killed, smashed my wing tips off on trees like my C47 was some kind of monster truck. Then got all the way to the edge of town driving along the ground to find a bloody M3 resupply dude sat at map room. :mad: So I go AFK to make a cup of tea and he is still sat there engine off when I return. I think what the hell I'll let them go. A slight hill covered the troop approach so I hoped he wasn't watching. Then he awoke and killed my troops. :(
I'd just like to say well done Popeye44. Not many would read the game well enough to understand what craziness was going on but stubborn determination not to lose a base won that one.
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Yeah, I'd find a new game.
Realistic flying is fine, even preferred, in special events. But in the MA, fight or go home.
Great advice. Quit the game!
Theres a hundred ways to play and approach AH gameplay, all are valid from a client perspective. If a pilot decides to place a value on his virtual pilots life, so be it, work harder to kill him/her...................that value he has placed on his virtual life makes a kill all that sweeter.
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I understand the player looking to "Play the way they want", the frustration stems from the total lack of numbers. If you have 600 players and 10% like to furball it is pretty easy to find those 60 players all packed together. With 100+ players it is a bit tougher for those 10+ players to find each other, especially on these large maps.
I think it will be worst with AH3 as I think we will see more players doing the GV thing.
Only time will tell.
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Great advice. Quit the game!
Theres a hundred ways to play and approach AH gameplay, all are valid from a client perspective. If a pilot decides to place a value on his virtual pilots life, so be it, work harder to kill him/her...................that value he has placed on his virtual life makes a kill all that sweeter.
First, you obviously don't understand hyperbole.
Second, the point is this, most players who justify their cowardly running as being "historically realistic" or a "simulation" shun the special events that cater to those qualities. I see their actions for what they really are, a total unwillingness to fight without a total advantage and a total inability to handle losing in a game.
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devil, everybody in ah is a coward. we like to fly in an environment where nothing happens to us.
as for me I'll turn fight you till I know I cant kill you then I'll run if I have to extend, get alt or do rtb. you want a kill, then work for your food, cause I am not gonna give up my plane just because you expect it.
and btw nobody loses or wins in this game.
semp
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Absolutely. If you are a guy with no patience, unwilling to spend the time to fly to 30K to shoot down a set of buffs at 30K, guess what, you don't get to shoot those buffs down. If you are a buff driver unwilling to spend the time or have the patience to fly to alt before getting to your target...guess what......it's unlikely you will complete many missions. Complete means to at least land one buff after hitting your target.
If you are a guy in a turny bird complaining about high alt BnZers not fighting you on your terms, guess what, too bad, get in an interceptor and chase them down. What's that you say? That's not how you want to play? Well there must be dozens of guys just waiting to fight you because they are all here, taking your side, lamenting the current gameplay. Why don't you guys just call out "Furball at field XXX, come join us!"
I know you high buff drivers know me, because we engage each other regularly. I look forward to that fight. I find it extremely exciting. I've made an investment to get up to you. You've made an investment to get to that alt by flying for quite some time while climbing. Both of us want to succeed but there is a bit more at stake then the low guys have. If either of us die, we can't immediately re engage, we have to spend the time again. I often wonder how you feel, after I've made a first pass on your buffs and you get that message "You've been shot down by Zoney" and you see me climbing back up to get back in position for that second pass. Is it as thrilling for you as it is for me? Because I've gotten the message You have shot down XXXXXX", and I know you are good in your guns, I know I can't make a mistake, and I know you are ready.
There is one game here, and a thousand ways to play it, almost the same number of ways you can complain about it.
Good post Zoney.
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Dang... I almost forgot. Ya know, there's always the DA. You gotta in-game comm's system right? Anyone holding your keyboard/microphone hostage? Invite people to go DA your happy little turnyburny hearts away, all night even! :banana:
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Absolutely. If you are a guy with no patience, unwilling to spend the time to fly to 30K to shoot down a set of buffs at 30K, guess what, you don't get to shoot those buffs down. If you are a buff driver unwilling to spend the time or have the patience to fly to alt before getting to your target...guess what......it's unlikely you will complete many missions. Complete means to at least land one buff after hitting your target.
Then you also have the off the map types in B-29s who go to great lengths to be sure no one will be about to shoot them down.
First make ammo strat flash for hours with a squad mate nearby so nobody will bother any longer to see why strat is flashing.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/tu2%20strat%20ammo_zpsauaoughj.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/tu2%20strat%20ammo_zpsauaoughj.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/strat%20tu%202_zpslafsi4du.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/strat%20tu%202_zpslafsi4du.jpg.html)
Then come in from the north from off the map so nobody can possibly shoot you down until your back on the map.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/ac498e27-1f6c-4b7c-a056-d8f3788ed59d_zpsi58lkwse.png) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/ac498e27-1f6c-4b7c-a056-d8f3788ed59d_zpsi58lkwse.png.html)
Hey presto bomb target turn off map again & home you go.
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Flying to lose is, well....stupid.
Who the hell flies to lose? I fly to win! If you can't catch me, tough tutu. If you take off too late and can't get alt, I'm not going to blow 15k of alt just so you can shoot at me.
You know where the excitement is? Watching your base and town get blown to pieces while you gawk helplessly to stop it.
So keep sitting there on the deck hoping and praying for someone to dive down to you, and put their tail right in your gunsight. Then you can come here and complain about it some more.
I'm in the fight while you are at 30k watching helplessly while your bases change color...... and that is before you even drop your first bomb. :)
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Good post Zoney.
Agreed. Even though I empathize with the OP.
- oldman
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I often wonder how you feel, after I've made a first pass on your buffs and you get that message "You've been shot down by Zoney" and you see me climbing back up to get back in position for that second pass. Is it as thrilling for you as it is for me? Because I've gotten the message You have shot down XXXXXX", and I know you are good in your guns, I know I can't make a mistake, and I know you are ready.
I always have fun battling you Zoney! :salute :)
one-eye
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Great advice. Quit the game!
Theres a hundred ways to play and approach AH gameplay, all are valid from a client perspective. If a pilot decides to place a value on his virtual pilots life, so be it, work harder to kill him/her...................that value he has placed on his virtual life makes a kill all that sweeter.
Perhaps Farmville might suit you well...can't die there.
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if everyone flew at 30k so they have alt and run soon as they know they won't win the fight imagine how boring the game would be, the ones willing to fight win lose or draw is the ones that make it fun the pickers make it boring, it dont matter if you die if you learned something from the fight then you never really lost. up another plane and come back and do it all over again and stop being a sissy.
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Awww... Is the con not playing the game the way you'd like him to play? ... Here have a cookie.
Amazing what some people think they're entitled to demand of others.
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I flew today for the first time this month (things have been too busy at home to get on). Took up the Yak 9T for some light scenario practice.
Killed lots, died a few times, which is rare for me because I'm usually un-touchable bordering on cheat. I blame the crappy plane I was flying because the only trouble I ran into was dogfighting spitfires. Still managed to take a few with me but I can see how people get bent out of shape about how even an average pilot can look good in such an awesome ride.
Tried to get OBX to start a Fuss about politics but my bait must have gotten stinky. :(
Helped capture about 4 Bish bases and the one that got away was a goon attempt behind enemy lines. Landed on a mountain with the goon, as our other one got killed, smashed my wing tips off on trees like my C47 was some kind of monster truck. Then got all the way to the edge of town driving along the ground to find a bloody M3 resupply dude sat at map room. :mad: So I go AFK to make a cup of tea and he is still sat there engine off when I return. I think what the hell I'll let them go. A slight hill covered the troop approach so I hoped he wasn't watching. Then he awoke and killed my troops. :(
I'd just like to say well done Popeye44. Not many would read the game well enough to understand what craziness was going on but stubborn determination not to lose a base won that one.
a day in the life.
The enjoyment below 15k
I guess I understand why people do it, maybe thats what irks me, but the never ending game of who can climb the highest degrades my time and our fun. Thats my opinion, and the guy that wants to play the climb and wait it out game, well , there he is, playing that game. Lame.
:airplane:
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On the other side of the stick:
Took off in a 190A8 to fly to a field with full radar bar, with 100% fuel, take-off field radar was down. flashing, but from tower it looked good.
It wasn't...
Got jumped by 2 strafing F4u's 'with my gear still down, which resulted in an aux fuel leak, and one gear gone.
I managed to to fly beneath tree top level to get some speed up and pulled up to meet the 1rst incoming F4u again, managed to avoid him, but 2nd F4u stitched my A8, PW'ed me, one ron, and also one cannon gone (I had a 2 cannon configuration fortunately).
I turned immediately back to field, turning and twisting below treetops, before the imminent pilot wound nap, and landed gear up before they took another pass on me.
One or 2 acks were still up and that was too scary for these brave men.
"why did you land Rook 190 ?, fight us lame ackrunner !
Well was I a lame ackrunner ?
Alone in the the singlemost worse turnfighter AH (hopefully) ever will produce, with 100% fuel, gear still down when the "fight" started, jumped by two superior planes, with loads of E, and later PW'ed and 190s only advantage or rolling gone.
I say no !
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a day in the life.
The enjoyment below 15k
I guess I understand why people do it, maybe thats what irks me, but the never ending game of who can climb the highest degrades my time and our fun. Thats my opinion, and the guy that wants to play the climb and wait it out game, well , there he is, playing that game. Lame.
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I have little problems with 30k fighter. If they want to take a shot at me they have to come down.
30k bombers are an other issue. They are immune up there and can still drop a bomb down a well from that alt, then dive away at 450 mph... while gunning... in formation.
Many players just leave their plane on auto climb, go surf for pr0n and then return when their plane is in danger of colliding with sputnik. It is a problems only when they can attack from that altitude.
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Many players just leave their plane on auto climb, go surf for pr0n and then return when their plane is in danger of colliding with sputnik. It is a problems only when they can attack from that altitude.
Shame on you Bozon! I spend that time reading the Bible. :old:
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On the other side of the stick:
Took off in a 190A8 to fly to a field with full radar bar, with 100% fuel, take-off field radar was down. flashing, but from tower it looked good.
It wasn't...
Got jumped by 2 strafing F4u's 'with my gear still down, which resulted in an aux fuel leak, and one gear gone.
I managed to to fly beneath tree top level to get some speed up and pulled up to meet the 1rst incoming F4u again, managed to avoid him, but 2nd F4u stitched my A8, PW'ed me, one ron, and also one cannon gone (I had a 2 cannon configuration fortunately).
I turned immediately back to field, turning and twisting below treetops, before the imminent pilot wound nap, and landed gear up before they took another pass on me.
One or 2 acks were still up and that was too scary for these brave men.
"why did you land Rook 190 ?, fight us lame ackrunner !
Well was I a lame ackrunner ?
Alone in the the singlemost worse turnfighter AH (hopefully) ever will produce, with 100% fuel, gear still down when the "fight" started, jumped by two superior planes, with loads of E, and later PW'ed and 190s only advantage or rolling gone.
I say no !
he he :lol
I also love it when a late war monster decides to blow 15k feet to take a shot at that low mossie and end up in a Loose Deuce trap - then complain about being ganged in his super plane by 1943 high ENY fighters :D
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Shame on you Bozon! I spend that time reading the Bible. :old:
Jebus is my co pilot :angel:
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Jebus is my co pilot :angel:
Huzzah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :aok :D
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he he :lol
I also love it when a late war monster decides to blow 15k feet to take a shot at that low mossie and end up in a Loose Deuce trap - then complain about being ganged in his super plane by 1943 high ENY fighters :D
Epic situation! :joystick: :neener:
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If you have a decent gaming rig and 25 bucks you can get the P51 in DCS, where the majority will fight. Then again... Most who play this game would break the P51 rather quickly flying at full power and RPM on the deck. Other than learning engine management, it's a simple aircraft as far as startup goes. Or of you have a bit more cash laying around, you can get the D9, K4, or wait for the P47 to be released.
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+1
real war, fly smart or die.
AH simulation, peeps demand real life style combat, until they realize its mostly boring for hours on end except for 30 secs of abject fear, then they want unreal war play for its entertainment value. Truly amazing the stances peeps will take to force what they say they do not really want, in their game play, something unreal.
I imagine peeps methods would change if there was a 5 min time limit for staying dead......................... .........
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Yes, I do want entertainment value for my $15/month. Is avoiding combat and being bored for hours, for only 30 seconds of fear what we're all here for? If it was, FSO would be 24/7 and the Main Arena would not exist.
This game doesn't come within a country mile of what real war is like. AH is designed for us to have make believe combat in the awesome hardware of WWII, without any danger to ourselves. Kill and die over and over again. The aspects of base taking and strategic destruction are only to provide a context to the fight. You attack, I defend. We fight. That's what it's supposed to be about.
I imagine peeps methods would change if there was a 5 min time limit for staying dead
Are you certain that five minutes is realistic enough? How about everyone that dies gets banned from the game forever?
That would be a hoot!
BTW, I do want everyone "fly my way" - as in I want everyone to be shooting at each other. BNZ, TNB, or any combination thereof.
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BTW, I do want everyone "fly my way" - as in I want everyone to be shooting at each other. BNZ, TNB, or any combination thereof.
:aok
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Yes, I do want entertainment value for my $15/month. Is avoiding combat and being bored for hours, for only 30 seconds of fear what we're all here for? If it was, FSO would be 24/7 and the Main Arena would not exist.
This game doesn't come within a country mile of what real war is like. AH is designed for us to have make believe combat in the awesome hardware of WWII, without any danger to ourselves. Kill and die over and over again. The aspects of base taking and strategic destruction are only to provide a context to the fight. You attack, I defend. We fight. That's what it's supposed to be about.
Are you certain that five minutes is realistic enough? How about everyone that dies gets banned from the game forever?
That would be a hoot!
BTW, I do want everyone "fly my way" - as in I want everyone to be shooting at each other. BNZ, TNB, or any combination thereof.
Well said!
I think if there was a restructure of the points system.
Buff runs only give you a quarter of the points/perks earned if you land with out any kills, full points for RTBin with just one kill.
Fighters the same thing, one quarter of the points/perks, but get just one kill and you get full points.
This at least would bring in the "points" players. Im sure there will still be those that fear death at any cost, but at least there would be a bit more incentive to "fight" for everyone.
If those "looking for action" (... and this is the biggest reason my son "the gamer" wont play, not enough action) continue to leave looking for action in other games it will be more of a ghost town than what we are building now.
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Shame on you Bozon! I spend that time reading the Bible. :old:
Ahh Pipz you magnificent SOB, I see you been hanging with the wrong crowd again.
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:rofl :rofl
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When you shame players for not playing like you want them to, consider that they can also avoid you by not playing at all.
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Ahh Pipz you magnificent SOB, I see you been hanging with the wrong crowd again.
Repent Komrad Repent!!! :old: :D :cheers:
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When you shame players for not playing like you want them to, consider that they can also avoid you by not playing at all.
Yup.. thats why I log in maybe once a week when I normally would 4+ days.
Huge maps and lack of fights.
Doesnt seem like anyone plays the way I want them to. :D
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if everyone flew at 30k so they have alt and run soon as they know they won't win the fight imagine how boring the game would be, the ones willing to fight win lose or draw is the ones that make it fun the pickers make it boring, it dont matter if you die if you learned something from the fight then you never really lost. up another plane and come back and do it all over again and stop being a sissy.
There's always War Thunder!
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Yup.. thats why I log in maybe once a week when I normally would 4+ days.
Huge maps and lack of fights.
Doesnt seem like anyone plays the way I want them to. :D
If one person can't find a fight it's a problem. If two people can't find a fight you're all set. :aok
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AH is designed for us to have make believe combat in the awesome hardware of WWII, without any danger to ourselves. Kill and die over and over again.
Good grief... Your interpretation of what is, was and meant to be is ENTIRELY YOURS. NOT EVERYONE ELSE'S.
THERE ARE THOSE WHO DO NOT WANT TO PLAY YOUR WAY
:bhead
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There's always War Thunder!
and il2 Stalingrad :old:
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And there is also the reason we started to play AH.... and it sure wsn't to fly 30 K bomber missions and stay away from conflict....this just seems to be a progression for some who can't handle loss and can only acknowledge win win win... Apparently WinWinWin is supposed to be a right these days not something fought for. It is unfortunate
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Ishare my flighttime in Cliff of Dover and AH nowadays, specially duing the one-week big maps.
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there is always other games that really helps soon enough people will be on other games and this one wont be alive how the hell they are keeping it going with the numbers we got now is beyond me either alot of people still pay and dont play or they are running it on there dime but 200 players in the MA at peak is boring just like lazer i cant log on anymore because its just not fun. chasing a guy 5 sectors to 30k for a fight is not worth my time and obviously many other feel the same way judging by how fast the game numbers keep dropping.
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One thing I learned about when flying a Tempest for the whole tour, was that I had to refuse defensive manuevers on planes that gained my 6. I had to literally extend away from the entire fight everytime I made a pass. In retrospect, it's just a BnZer. I cringed at the fact that I had a P51 or yak behind me, and I couldn't risk getting in a slow turn fight. The Temp is horrendous at that. This was the most boring type of flying for me. So I ask myself. Is it worth it to fly the fastest planes in the game, just to not worry about dying, but not being able to fight it out against other planes. Or would I rather get kills counterpunching planes on my 6 and being able to take on planes 1 v 1 or 1v2 without having to extend away every time? That's why I'm able to get a lot more kills per sortie than most BnZers. When you learn how to get different types of kills in this game it makes it a lot more fun and challenging. This game isn't fair in terms of player game style. You have to really understand the fight. but if you only fly with one "lazy" game style. You prolly aren't having as much fun as you could be.
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One thing I learned about when flying a Tempest for the whole tour, was that I had to refuse defensive manuevers on planes that gained my 6. I had to literally extend away from the entire fight everytime I made a pass. In retrospect, it's just a BnZer. I cringed at the fact that I had a P51 or yak behind me, and I couldn't risk getting in a slow turn fight, because the Temp is horrendous at that.
In the MA, the Temp can quite well engage a P-51 in a close dogfight. It's more than capable for that kind of fight. The main problem in that case could be that you will get quickly jumped upon by everybody else, as everybody yould like to kill that temp almost as much as they would like to bag a Me 262.
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And there is also the reason we started to play AH.... and it sure wsn't to fly 30 K bomber missions and stay away from conflict....this just seems to be a progression for some who can't handle loss and can only acknowledge win win win... Apparently WinWinWin is supposed to be a right these days not something fought for. It is unfortunate
THERE ARE THOSE WHO DO NOT WANT TO PLAY YOUR WAY
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THERE ARE THOSE WHO DO NOT WANT TO PLAY YOUR WAY
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"There are those" = 95% of the people in the MA.
It is real fun to play in a game where most people wanna run for their virtual lives.
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It is unfortunate
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Doh!!!
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I can't believe I'm reading a post whining about someone flying a high altitude bomber mission. That's what bombers did and they've been doing it since I started playing AW in 1996. Back then only 50 people were allowed in an arena at a time. You either climbed to engage or not.
It seems to me you're actually upset because you made an assumption that whatever that red dot was it was going to be low. You were wrong and it really just shows that you don't know how to interpret the map very well. That surprises me given how long you've been in the game. If you need some lessons in interpreting the map I'm sure there are many here who would be willing to help.
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One thing I learned about when flying a Tempest for the whole tour, was that I had to refuse defensive manuevers on planes that gained my 6. I had to literally extend away from the entire fight everytime I made a pass. In retrospect, it's just a BnZer. I cringed at the fact that I had a P51 or yak behind me, and I couldn't risk getting in a slow turn fight. The Temp is horrendous at that. This was the most boring type of flying for me. So I ask myself. Is it worth it to fly the fastest planes in the game, just to not worry about dying, but not being able to fight it out against other planes. Or would I rather get kills counterpunching planes on my 6 and being able to take on planes 1 v 1 or 1v2 without having to extend away every time? That's why I'm able to get a lot more kills per sortie than most BnZers. When you learn how to get different types of kills in this game it makes it a lot more fun and challenging. This game isn't fair in terms of player game style. You have to really understand the fight. but if you only fly with one "lazy" game style. You prolly aren't having as much fun as you could be.
Ok ok... someone's got to do this!!
http://imgur.com/gallery/PFL4m5R
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"There are those" = 95% of the people in the MA.
It is real fun to play in a game where most people wanna run for their virtual lives.
thick
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thick
Go to hell.
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In the MA, the Temp can quite well engage a P-51 in a close dogfight. It's more than capable for that kind of fight. The main problem in that case could be that you will get quickly jumped upon by everybody else, as everybody yould like to kill that temp almost as much as they would like to bag a Me 262.
I disagree that a Temp will beat a P51 closing on your 6 in the defensive position. The P51 is much more versatile with angles and roll rate. In a straight on merge the Temp might have the E advantage for the rope, but thats all its got. I do agree with the latter though.
Ok ok... someone's got to do this!!
http://imgur.com/gallery/PFL4m5R
It's okay Tumor, I'd hate to embarrass you with flight statistics.
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Well this has turned into a whine fest. :frown:
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It's okay Tumor, I'd hate to embarrass you with flight statistics.
(http://i.imgur.com/AgoSdFq.jpg) (http://imgur.com/AgoSdFq)
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I once flew a Mossie (you know, . . . without guns) to 30k to attack one town in an undefended sector. You know, . . . for score.
Someone upped a 262 and chased me 100 miles behind my lines, and then tried to vulch while I rearmed. You know, . . . because a 262 can kill an unarmed airplane real easy.
You know something, my squaddie Lyric1 can pop the melon on a 262 from 6k easily when it comes head-on. It's very entertaining.
Field guns smell like victory.
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It's fun to troll.........
...in a formation of B-17s at 1-2K. :D
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Man guns disabled, supplies nerfed, 20k alt limit, 1 hour side switch time....
We can only hope Aces High 3 doesn't make it as easy to hide from a real fight.
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I have spent the last 3 days in World of Warships......it is not as good as AH but why have I spent 3 days there?
FIGHTS!!! They fight lol. in a combat game I think that needs to be #1
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It's not about staying alive and it's not about the fight. It's about the killing. :devil Everything else is just fluff. :old:
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It's not about staying alive and it's not about the fight. It's about the killing. :devil Everything else is just fluff. :old:
Pigs make great bait !
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Pigs make great bait !
:devil
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I disagree that a Temp will beat a P51 closing on your 6 in the defensive position. The P51 is much more versatile with angles and roll rate. In a straight on merge the Temp might have the E advantage for the rope, but thats all its got. I do agree with the latter though.
It's okay Tumor, I'd hate to embarrass you with flight statistics.
if the speeds are >300 IAS the temp can just spiral climb away from the 51, and basically reverse him willingly, with its high climb rate.
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mandatory alt limits when <300 players
silly when was the last time you saw 300 people in the MA :joystick:
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if you want to kill somebody-look for me-I don't run-and prob the the worst pilot in Ah :joystick:
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silly when was the last time you saw 300 people in the MA :joystick:
exactly.
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kinda like walking into a room of vegetarians, only there is 2 vegetarians in a gym, when you fly into the only dar bar and there is a 20k 190 hovering over his base, sometimes you wonder why you even showed up. :bhead
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+1 for alt limits when <300 players online.
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if the speeds are >300 IAS the temp can just spiral climb away from the 51, and basically reverse him willingly, with its high climb rate.
The Temp only has the advantage if it is going faster or if it is higher than the P51. The only way a Temp would technically win is if the Temp surprised the P51 by using its speed to pull a very sharp first emmilman and get inside the P51 to throw em off guard. This would kill most of the Temps E, and the Temp would have to extend away if it didn't get the shot. The Temp probably could extend away out of reach of the P51 and get away in most cases. If the Temp got slow with the P51 its game over. If the Temp cannot rope the P51 off the merge, it's game over or at least it is now in the defensive position. I was merely using it as an example that I couldn't easily counter planes in a defensive position while flying the Temp, which made it a boring game syle for me. I could simply run from everything. The fastest planes are at the ultimate advantage, but the style to fly those planes (mostly BnZ) is IMO, the most boring style of game play. Now BnZ in a spit, La, or 109 is little more difficult because 7-10 times you will end up getting in a turn fight or wasting all your E trying to kill a lower con after the first over shoot. In planes like 190Ds or Temps, it's not a good idea to waste all your E on 1 or 2 passes for a kill because they don't act well at slow speeds, therefore, you are left flying straight for most of the time after you engage or get engaged. While this was the object in real war ( to go as fast as possible and still be versatile), in this game it can just make it boring because you come up to a lot of Mid and early war planes that you can easily extend away from at any point regardless of your position. If you never want to actually challenge yourself with your flying positions and gameplay. Just grab the fastest planes and extend from any chance of trouble. Seems typical for a lot of MAers today who really dont know any other styles of air combat.
This is by no reason the games fault. I'm just using it as an example of how a planes' strength can make the game a lot easier.
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I could always catch any runners with the Ar234 and if they wanted to dog fight we could do that too! ==<--O--O-->==
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It's okay Tumor, I'd hate to embarrass you with flight statistics.
I often find it a great measure of a person in AH when they pull out MA stats as relevant ;)
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The original post has got be about the most silly complaint I've ever seen. Even for the AH forums. :rofl
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I often find it a great measure of a person in AH when they pull out MA stats as relevant ;)
In some cases it is important.
Some guys is complaining about something, or defends how game play is awesome and you look and find out he hasn't logged into the main arena in over a year.
Someone may go on and on about a certain fighter and you check and find out he hasn't flown it because he is strictly a buff guy, or even a GV guy.
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I could always catch any runners with the Ar234 and if they wanted to dog fight we could do that too! ==<--O--O-->==
nkl5 where the heck have you been-I miss get tailgunned by you
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either alot of people still pay and dont play or they are running it on there dime but 200 players in the MA at peak is boring just like lazer i cant log on anymore because its just not fun.
I enjoyed the beginning of the month, but now when I log in and always see a large map with less than 140 players, I just log off. It simply isn't worth staring at the screen for 30 minutes and logging off anyway.
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In some cases it is important.
Some guys is complaining about something, or defends how game play is awesome and you look and find out he hasn't logged into the main arena in over a year.
Someone may go on and on about a certain fighter and you check and find out he hasn't flown it because he is strictly a buff guy, or even a GV guy.
There are players who only play in the DA or SEA. And tbh AH typically doesn't change that much in a year.
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I often find it a great measure of a person in AH when they pull out MA stats as relevant ;)
Maybe I should just post silly memes instead....
How wouldn't they be relevant? You got someone in a P51 or Temp going 45 kills with 28 sorties and 18 deaths (just an example). That's a great indicator to me the player hasn't fully grasped the scope of their plane and their situational awareness. I see people with 3 kills per hour and have 5 total kills with 2 deaths. Then they will tell me, "well that's just realistic flying, I don't like to die a lot.". That's BS just by looking at their stats. Instead of learning to be better at the game and winning fights, they are happy getting 1 or 2 kills with 35 minutes of gas flying at 39K and darting off at the sign of loss advantage.
Then you got the top scores who only fly those types of planes and sometimes I just wonder how they'd fair in a more challenging plane where they can't run away every time.
If that's how you want to fly so be it.
Here you go Vulcan. Try being Top 5 fighters next tour in any other plane besides a Temp, 190D, P51D, or 262. Maybe you'll realize that it actually does take some knowledge of perfectness to reach that level without flying crutch planes.
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silly when was the last time you saw 300 people in the MA :joystick:
there were almost 500 players playing friday in both ma and fso.
semp
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There are players who only play in the DA or SEA. And tbh AH typically doesn't change that much in a year.
and how would playing in the DA or SEA really relate to the main arena? Nothing like it and so that player is either an idiot or trolling, neither of which some people would want to waste my time reading and considering their opinion/view point.
I have been here since tour 21, game play.... not the game has change drastically.
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fugitive i have been here since 2006 or 2007. game play is still the same. people complain about gangtards, bomb****s, hordes today just as they did back then. maybe lower numbers now but gameplay wont ever change.
the illusion that way back then it was different is astonishing.
semp
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fugitive i have been here since 2006 or 2007. game play is still the same. people complain about gangtards, bomb****s, hordes today just as they did back then. maybe lower numbers now but gameplay wont ever change.
the illusion that way back then it was different is astonishing.
semp
Ya. Been here pretty much since beta with maybe a year .5 worth of breaks now and then. The only thing I see that has changed.. ~a lot~ is the game the game types as recently demonstrated by he who's name shall not be spoken.
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Instead of learning to be better at the game and winning fights, they are happy getting 1 or 2 kills with 35 minutes of gas flying at 39K and darting off at the sign of loss advantage.
So you're saying they're happy but in your opinion they're doing it wrong?
And the guys doing it right are unhappy? :headscratch:
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and how would playing in the DA or SEA really relate to the main arena? Nothing like it and so that player is either an idiot or trolling, neither of which some people would want to waste my time reading and considering their opinion/view point.
I have been here since tour 21, game play.... not the game has change drastically.
i think the playground for us to play on has a lot to do with it... huge maps, more bases than players.
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When things are slow in the air;
Try to sneak a field capture. That usually stirs the pot.
Master dive bombing.
Try to master a tank.
Search for CVs to kill.
Learn to use ship guns.
When hordes hit your base sneak back to their base and takeout the troops.
Lots of things to do in AH.
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When things are slow in the air;
Try to sneak a field capture. That usually stirs the pot.
Master dive bombing.
Try to master a tank.
Search for CVs to kill.
Learn to use ship guns.
When hordes hit your base sneak back to their base and takeout the troops.
Lots of things to do in AH.
Or move on because NONE of those involve fighter combat. ACES HIGH becomes sneak and peek. Bah, no point trying to actually explain to you guys what we are actually talking about. You always seem to think that things non fighter pilot based are worth doing
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Or move on because NONE of those involve fighter combat. ACES HIGH becomes sneak and peek. Bah, no point trying to actually explain to you guys what we are actually talking about. You always seem to think that things non fighter pilot based are worth doing
I think both parts of the game are important. There is something for everyone.
I just think many BnZers in the fastest planes at the highest alts are making the fighter aspect to the game boring during times with low #s. They think they are cool for doing it. I think their game style sucks and is a false sense of happiness. If you get 1 kill every 30-45 minutes at 35K, how is that even fun?
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I agree Violator - but there is no way we can compress the fight enough to negate the runners
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I personally don't understand the mentality of players who enjoy 'winning' games like AH by spying, ganging, hoarding, bombing/bailing, and running to ack / friendlies every time they're threatened with a good 1-1 fight. But it appears the players I just described are the majority, so griping about it is only going to increase their twisted sense of self accomplishment. They actually take pride in achievements others earn for them. How are you going to argue with that brand of logic?
Just last week I logged in anger after a couple long-term players I had previously respected showed their true colors. Either the disease is catching or they were always infected. Regardless, finding a good fight is getting harder these days, and my interest in searching for one continues to wane. Apparently cartoon lives and cartoon scores are the only thing keeping some player's egos alive. They won't give you a fight if there's a chance they might lose. Sad, but true.
I'm just grateful for the players who DO fight here (you know who you are).
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Bah, no point trying to actually explain to you guys what we are actually talking about. You always seem to think that things non fighter pilot based are worth doing
HiTech. Please cancel all arena's except the DA, and all aircraft models except "fighter pilot" based ones. Ya, because all that other crap is not worth having and all those people who DO like it are too stupid to know better.
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Fess, I use to think like you. I even made post about how much I hated the Crater map because it sucked the air war dry. One day, I caved in, then spent quite bit of time being killed over and over again in the crater. Then I got a kill then two then three. I realized that tanking is just like air combat. it takes cunning and guile to kill tankers like Jinx, Dr7 and others like them. Not that i bet them very often but I can now and then sneak up on them on a good day.
I still enjoy the air war but tanks is a close second.
Then they are those damn torpedo planes and boats. Who can master those?
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Dark confession to make since I really hacked off a bomber pilot according to his PM.
Yes, I did in fact end sortie and ditch my disabled tank after you took out my tank engine and were diving for the kill lining up another drop. I ditched so I could up a wirb quickly and watch your A20 turn into a sparkling burst of pixels.
I do apologize for enjoying it as much as I did though. If it's any consolation, one of your tanks killed my wirb.
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Dark confession to make since I really hacked off a bomber pilot according to his PM.
Yes, I did in fact end sortie and ditch my disabled tank after you took out my tank engine and were diving for the kill lining up another drop. I ditched so I could up a wirb quickly and watch your A20 turn into a sparkling burst of pixels.
I do apologize for enjoying it as much as I did though. If it's any consolation, one of your tanks killed my wirb.
He gets it! It's about the killing. :aok
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He gets it! It's about the killing. :aok
That's right...its about killing...I agree also its about the fight...a fight of anykind that you can stir up....also agree that no one wants to chase a fighter at 30k...unless his name starts with a "R" and ends in an "aiper"...then I will do all I can to climb into outer space to come in on top of him to see him run to his field ack or friends.... :rock
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fugitive i have been here since 2006 or 2007. game play is still the same. people complain about gangtards, bomb****s, hordes today just as they did back then. maybe lower numbers now but gameplay wont ever change.
the illusion that way back then it was different is astonishing.
semp
ya but from what Ive read you use to drink a lot too so I'll trust my memory a bit over yours :neener:
When things are slow in the air;
Try to sneak a field capture. That usually stirs the pot.
Master dive bombing.
Try to master a tank.
Search for CVs to kill.
Learn to use ship guns.
When hordes hit your base sneak back to their base and takeout the troops.
Lots of things to do in AH.
Fess answered you well, some players don't want to do those other things. They PAY their subscription the fly fighter planes and fight other players.
HiTech. Please cancel all arena's except the DA, and all aircraft models except "fighter pilot" based ones. Ya, because all that other crap is not worth having and all those people who DO like it are too stupid to know better.
Your an all or nothing type of guy aren't you.
You cant conceive of players that like to fight <----- PLEASE NOTE fighting could mean attacking a buff formation, chasing away the attack on a buff formation, attacking other planes trying to dive bomb GVs, attacking the planes trying to shoot down those trying to attack the dive bombers.
Instead you get lawn darts, runners who do nothing but drop dar and flee, or let their buffs die, or buffs that fly so high it takes hours to get up there to take a shot. Fighters who hide NOE and bail when spotted, or if they make it to the target are using the planes only as fast bomb trucks.
Years ago it was all about the fight. We had players like wldthng and others who would take on all comers, and more often than not take them all out. There wasn't this "FPH" crap, you knew who the top guys were because they fought well. Youasked for help and they were happy to chat about fights as they flew out to the furball. They would meet you and have a fight off to the side of the furball and more often than not others would let the fight play out. There was FRIENDLY trash talk across channel 1, and it was channel 1 because nobody abused it and so didn't offend other players. Now we need channel 200 to tune across countries so you KNOWINGLY put yourself in the position of the garbage we get to see today.
Once the land grab got started back in the day we FOUGHT for bases. Missions had buffs, cap, heavy fighters and goons. The defenders would up to defend and try to shoot down the attackers. Often it turned into a furball half way between the attacking and defending bases. The LTARS would defend with OSTYs. Rarely did you drop fighter hangers or bomber hangers. If the LTARs were there the VH had to go down :devil
Then it started to change. Fighting for the base got too hard for some and so they ran NOEs. Defending got too hard for others and they would up LA7s and do nothing but scream along the ground hunting goons, only shooting at another plane if it happened to cross its nose. NOEs got so bad that HTC dropped the dar to the deck and increased the circle by almost double. You were on dar almost as soon as you went wheels up. HTC relented a few weeks later and we have the dar setup we have today. M3s came along and seeing as they are harder to find and for many who have a problem with bouncing off the ground harder to kill, they replaced the Goon as the troops carry of choice and so the LA7 use dropped off.
Sure we had the HOers, vulchers, pickers, runners and so on but it was a much smaller percentage of the players doing that. Back then it was the norm to fight, now it is the norm to run and hide.
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'.., now it is the norm to run and hide.'
I dont see that happening much, I get in a lot of fights and have a great time.
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'.., now it is the norm to run and hide.'
I dont see that happening much, I get in a lot of fights and have a great time.
I dont see that either. then again, I too hard for some people to look for a red darbar.
semp
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ya but from what Ive read you use to drink a lot too so I'll trust my memory a bit over yours :neener:
actually I only started drinking 4 years ago. and for what I have read, you have been whining since I got here 8 or 9 years ago.
semp
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HOers, vulchers, pickers, runners and so on but it was a much smaller percentage of the players doing that. Back then it was the norm to fight, now it is the norm to run and hide.
Like the 47 Ronin?
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That chip on your squads shoulder is either growing or pulsating :eek:
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I dont see that either. then again, I too hard for some people to look for a red darbar.
I think each person's experience is different depending on the part of the day they play. US prime time has a very different dynamic than other hours. I am an east coast guy, and normally have no issue with finding a fight. I usually have no issue when I see a high Pee-51 because I know he won't come down to fight. He may take a swipe at me, then extend a sector to get his alt back, but for the most part they are a mere annoyance.
My personal favorite tactic is to up a fast bird, 47-M, then climb to 18-20K. When I arrive at a base, all the Pee-51's and Run-90's take one look at my co-alt bird and dive to the deck. Since I know it will be 15 minutes before they return, I am then free to drop alt and see what needs kill'n. Sure, 10% of the time, they will actually try to fight, 5% of that time, it's actually a decent one, but almost always they turn tail and dive out 1v1 once they have lost their advantage.
While I am not saying they should play "my way", it is after all a combat game, and learning only offensive strategies, ignoring effective defensive strategies leaves half the game on the table. I am actually shocked at how many high K/D players are an easy kill once you get on their 6. The only reason their K/D is high is they have learned to run when they see an icon appear at 6K.
It's their $15, but when everyone in the arena is avoiding contact, then it's no longer a combat game and people quit to play another game that's a little more exciting. There aren't as many players today, I feel, because when numbers are low, and no one wants to fight, they pull the rip cord.
I tried iRacing once, and left after the trial period because the way it's set up, it's hard to find someone to race.
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While I am not saying they should play "my way", it is after all a combat game, and learning only offensive strategies, ignoring effective defensive strategies leaves half the game on the table. I am actually shocked at how many high K/D players are an easy kill once you get on their 6. The only reason their K/D is high is they have learned to run when they see an icon appear at 6K.
I'm not shocked in the least. It's the score-nursers who are the worst. I could name at least 10 players right off the top of my head (many more if I thought about it a bit) who have great scores and all fly the exact same way: They hover about 3-5K over a fight, boom & zoom to clear their teammates 12-o-clock every so often, and then extend to the moon, drop to the deck, or run for friendlies/ack anytime anything close to their alt appears. It's the (de) evolution of ACM in Aces High.
Just don't ask them to DA. They'll be the first to tell you "That proves nothing", and "They don't DA because <insert face-saving bs here>". Their ego is so dependent on being known as a threat - even when they're not one - that they can't bear any insult to it. It's a common pattern.
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I'm not shocked in the least. It's the score-nursers who are the worst. I could name at least 10 players right off the top of my head (many more if I thought about it a bit) who have great scores and all fly the exact same way: They hover about 3-5K over a fight, boom & zoom to clear their teammates 12-o-clock every so often, and then extend to the moon, drop to the deck, or run for friendlies/ack anytime anything close to their alt appears. It's the (de) evolution of ACM in Aces High.
Just don't ask them to DA. They'll be the first to tell you "That proves nothing", and "They don't DA because <insert face-saving bs here>". Their ego is so dependent on being known as a threat - even when they're not one - that they can't bear any insult to it. It's a common pattern.
FWIW, my perspective is that the DA is indeed a skill in and of itself. I have seen some DA monsters who are weak in the MA, and visa versa.
If only people took more pride in defensive ACM as opposed to offensive ACM it would be a funner (is that a word?) game. Personally, that's what I like for my $15. I get more kills fighting from a disadvantage and getting the reverse than I do when I have the advantage. It's likely because I bait them in, then work to flip the tables. At least I am fighting though....
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At least I am fighting though....
And that's all that matters :aok
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I'm not shocked in the least. It's the score-nursers who are the worst. I could name at least 10 players right off the top of my head (many more if I thought about it a bit) who have great scores and all fly the exact same way: They hover about 3-5K over a fight, boom & zoom to clear their teammates 12-o-clock every so often, and then extend to the moon, drop to the deck, or run for friendlies/ack anytime anything close to their alt appears. It's the (de) evolution of ACM in Aces High.
Just don't ask them to DA. They'll be the first to tell you "That proves nothing", and "They don't DA because <insert face-saving bs here>". Their ego is so dependent on being known as a threat - even when they're not one - that they can't bear any insult to it. It's a common pattern.
:aok :aok :aok
I've been told I'm an egotistical loudmouth...the people who call me that often times are the ones who make excuses for not going to the DA...it's ok...not everyone can have this pancake mix...
FWIW, my perspective is that the DA is indeed a skill in and of itself. I have seen some DA monsters who are weak in the MA, and visa versa.
If only people took more pride in defensive ACM as opposed to offensive ACM it would be a funner (is that a word?) game. Personally, that's what I like for my $15. I get more kills fighting from a disadvantage and getting the reverse than I do when I have the advantage. It's likely because I bait them in, then work to flip the tables. At least I am fighting though....
"When my opponent expands I contract, when he contracts I expand, when I hit....I do not hit....it hits all by itself" the way I approach ACM
Think offensive ACM and defensive ACM is getting confused with the alts of yesterday vs the alts we should be using today. You can fly a Tempest at 10K in Tank town and not worry about a thing today....it used to be there would be mulitple ponies at 15K+ over it fighting up high...
These days if your above 8K you should be going after buffs/enemy or your an alt monkey :aok
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Like the 47 Ronin?
What's the matter, Waystin? Do you need a hug? :D
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At least I am fighting though....
And that's all that matters :aok
There you have it.
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FWIW, my perspective is that the DA is indeed a skill in and of itself. I have seen some DA monsters who are weak in the MA, and visa versa.
If only people took more pride in defensive ACM as opposed to offensive ACM it would be a funner (is that a word?) game. Personally, that's what I like for my $15. I get more kills fighting from a disadvantage and getting the reverse than I do when I have the advantage. It's likely because I bait them in, then work to flip the tables. At least I am fighting though....
This is pretty much my perspective also. With defensive flying you get double the kills and have more fun doing it. Most people don't realize that if you get 4-5 kills per sortie and die half the time, you will still have a higher K/D than most of the players who stay high and get 2 kills per hour who run at lost advantage. By becoming more aggressive, you have the chance to get more kills, learn the game better, and it's more fun for everyone.
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What's the matter, Waystin? Do you need a hug? :D
I'll have to chase one of the 47 Moaning a few sectors to get it. :aok
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"the lengths some people go... " to promote themselves as all powerful wonder sticks by complaining about others running away is actually comical. It's cartoonland! Get over it!
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I just got the 50 kills in a P-39 achievment. It was a long core, but fun.
I had some 51s run from me! It seems like a 51 with flaps out could easily out turn a 39.
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These complaints are all about dueling in the MA. Duels in the MA are fun but you are complaining that someone who didn't agree to duel you won't duel you. You are asking for the MA game to be easier. Whether for score or for fun, you want less difficulty catching the bandit.
Here's how you do that. You make yourself an attractive target. Instead of changing everyone else you change yourself.
If you'd rather have an even fight just find one other person that wants to fight and duel them.
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Your an all or nothing type of guy aren't you.
Not at all, I was being sarcastic.
You cant conceive of players that like to fight <----- PLEASE NOTE fighting could mean attacking a buff formation, chasing away the attack on a buff formation, attacking other planes trying to dive bomb GVs, attacking the planes trying to shoot down those trying to attack the dive bombers.
Instead you get lawn darts, runners who do nothing but drop dar and flee, or let their buffs die, or buffs that fly so high it takes hours to get up there to take a shot. Fighters who hide NOE and bail when spotted, or if they make it to the target are using the planes only as fast bomb trucks.
It's a Wargame, and it's their money. And HiTech rewards suicidal game play. Nothing we can do.
Years ago it was all about the fight.
Not exclusively, not now, not then, not before then in AW. There have always been options to do things besides dogfight fighters.
We had players like wldthng and others who would take on all comers, and more often than not take them all out. There wasn't this "FPH" crap, you knew who the top guys were because they fought well. Youasked for help and they were happy to chat about fights as they flew out to the furball. They would meet you and have a fight off to the side of the furball and more often than not others would let the fight play out. There was FRIENDLY trash talk across channel 1, and it was channel 1 because nobody abused it and so didn't offend other players. Now we need channel 200 to tune across countries so you KNOWINGLY put yourself in the position of the garbage we get to see today.
What planet were you playing AH on? Yes, were those you describe. However, there have always been people with offensive, ridiculous attitudes.
Once the land grab got started back in the day we FOUGHT for bases. Missions had buffs, cap, heavy fighters and goons. The defenders would up to defend and try to shoot down the attackers. Often it turned into a furball half way between the attacking and defending bases. The LTARS would defend with OSTYs. Rarely did you drop fighter hangers or bomber hangers. If the LTARs were there the VH had to go down :devil
The LTARs were fun to kill and easy to shut down. It didn't happen a lot because thinking ahead and planning is directly contrary to the pointy-clicky-bang-bang approach.
Then it started to change. Fighting for the base got too hard for some and so they ran NOEs. Defending got too hard for others and they would up LA7s and do nothing but scream along the ground hunting goons, only shooting at another plane if it happened to cross its nose. NOEs got so bad that HTC dropped the dar to the deck and increased the circle by almost double. You were on dar almost as soon as you went wheels up. HTC relented a few weeks later and we have the dar setup we have today. M3s came along and seeing as they are harder to find and for many who have a problem with bouncing off the ground harder to kill, they replaced the Goon as the troops carry of choice and so the LA7 use dropped off.
The LA7 is most folks idea of Get'rdone. NOE's still happen... and there's a decent balance regarding dar.
Sure we had the HOers, vulchers, pickers, runners and so on but it was a much smaller percentage of the players doing that. Back then it was the norm to fight, now it is the norm to run and hide.
Vulcher's and Pickers have been around since long before AH, it's a moot point. Well... IMO, the HO is HiTech's personal pride and joy about AH, it ain't gonna change and the lamest of the lame will proudly continue to use it. And don't EVEN try to convince me it wasn't a problem from very early on... I was there.
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These complaints are all about dueling in the MA. Duels in the MA are fun but you are complaining that someone who didn't agree to duel you won't duel you. You are asking for the MA game to be easier. Whether for score or for fun, you want less difficulty catching the bandit.
Here's how you do that. You make yourself an attractive target. Instead of changing everyone else you change yourself.
If you'd rather have an even fight just find one other person that wants to fight and duel them.
The thing I really like about the MA is if there are enough opponents available, you can to a large degree create your own circumstance.
I altmonkey like a mofo for a couple reasons. For one thing, I don't like bombers being out of my reach, and I'm one of the relatively few with the patience to climb to them and hunt them. The ability to climb for a long time shouldn't give red guys a free pass into my airspace.
Secondly, in the absence of high alt buffs to hunt, I like to prioritize the guys that are BnZing the friendlies below me. The ability to climb for a long time shouldn't give you a free pass to hunt and bully my low slow friendlies.
In the absence of high enemies, then I turn to whatever's below me. If he's covered up, I leave him be. If he starts to run from the friendlies, I quite often turn him/kill him.
I very rarely run into a situation where someone can escape me without help. I do that by flying aircraft that it is difficult to run from, and putting myself in a position where they are going to find it difficult to do so.
The tendency I've seen the last little while in the MA though, I've found fairly confusing. Two guys that really stuck out to me that I can remember in the last month or so did things that just made no sense to me.
One guy went over me cruising. I figured he hadn't seen me and started trying to sneak him from below. I was climbing very aggressively below him, and was about 1.5k directly below him doing about 150mph when I saw him roll for a belly check most likely because he heard my engine.
If he had chosen to do so, I was in an outstanding position for him to attack me. Low speed, in a climb, just about the right amount of distance between us for him to flip over, drop in and smack me. About the only way I could have been in a more disadvantageous position is if I was about 200 yards dead ahead of him and asleep.
Instead of attacking, he actually dove past me and headed for his ack.
The second one merged with me with about a 3k alt advantage, didn't get any kind of advantage on the first merge, and immediately dove out for his ack.
Both times, we were the only planes within a sector of us for either side. I just don't get why one wouldn't try to kill the other guy regardless of skill level.
Actual "dueling" in the MA rarely happens unless it's over quickly, per my sig.
In some aspects, I do agree with Tumor. You can find HO/Pick/Vulch whines from the very start of the game. It's not recent. I wouldn't say HT rewards suicidal gameplay exactly. I would say that he doesn't prevent it, likely because there's no real way to do that without some kind of really gamey change to the gameplay that would make it less realistic than it is.
What I've noticed though lately is for whatever reason, lower numbers seem to bring out a higher proportion of people who are looking to either hit buildings unopposed in some way or attack planes from on high seemingly preferably if the opponent is afk.
I think the easy solution is for numbers to get up. People are going to play the way they play, but with enough people in the arena there's generally enough around that play in the way their opponents want them to play. That allows them to interact with each other and find fun.
Wiley.
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I just got the 50 kills in a P-39 achievment. It was a long core, but fun.
I had some 51s run from me! It seems like a 51 with flaps out could easily out turn a 39.
Awesome! Welcome to a rather exclusive club. :cheers:
These complaints are all about dueling in the MA. Duels in the MA are fun but you are complaining that someone who didn't agree to duel you won't duel you. You are asking for the MA game to be easier. Whether for score or for fun, you want less difficulty catching the bandit.
Here's how you do that. You make yourself an attractive target. Instead of changing everyone else you change yourself.
If you'd rather have an even fight just find one other person that wants to fight and duel them.
That's exactly what I did and have been doing for years. The C.202 has a very minor climb rate advantage over a P-51 on the deck but other than that, the Mustang does everything better.
It's only one example but I constantly have to dodge FQ shots from guys in faster and better turning planes, only for them to charge at me like a bull and extend. Most of the planes I'm in can easily be extended away from if they get in trouble, but they don't even try to turn.
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I would point out that if they don't turn you aren't attractive enough. Nothing personal. :D
Btw both the C202 and P-39 have a substantial sustained turn rate advantage over the P-51.
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I would point out that if they don't turn you aren't attractive enough. Nothing personal. :D
The thing is, you're still conducting yourself in such a way that it depends on their behavior. Same as the people whose concept of fun hinges on their ability to merge with an enemy and cross his gunsight on the merge without him firing. Don't give him the opportunity, you won't get HOed.
If you conduct yourself in a way that you have control over the enemy, it doesn't matter what they do.
Wiley.
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The thing is, you're still conducting yourself in such a way that it depends on their behavior. ...
Hopefully that describes every game played with other people. :D
If you conduct yourself in a way that you have control over the enemy, it doesn't matter what they do.
That's what the people exiting the fight are doing. Extending away from what are usually better-turning aircraft that regain energy faster.
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Hopefully that describes every game played with other people. :D
That's what the people exiting the fight are doing. Extending away from what are usually better-turning aircraft that regain energy faster.
Yup. And it's up to the other guy to either live with his decision to fly a slower, turnier plane and watch the runner escape or be fast enough to catch him.
Wiley.
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This is pretty much my perspective also. With defensive flying you get double the kills and have more fun doing it. Most people don't realize that if you get 4-5 kills per sortie and die half the time, you will still have a higher K/D than most of the players who stay high and get 2 kills per hour who run at lost advantage. By becoming more aggressive, you have the chance to get more kills, learn the game better, and it's more fun for everyone.
Boom..
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I spent most of yesterday evening in AH III at a disadvantage and landed 4 kills almost every time I upped. I don't mind being the low alt guy. More fun. When I get tired though I start hating looking up all the time.
It is much more fun when the fights are close and low. Don't have to waste time climbing.... live or die, it is fun.
If you see my 38J upping, just come pay me a visit. :D
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The single most damning thing about this game is not player behavior. It's the fact that there's AI ack and flak. Ack-dragging wouldn't be a problem if there was no ack. To knock some rust off before the big campaign I've spent some time in the MA flying the 109G-6. I've been shot down four times. Only one of those deaths were to another human player. In one case I was fighting a Yak-3 at 22-23K and some carrier fleet towered me with its magic puffy clouds. How fun. I'm not sure I want to give these people my money. In fact I'm pretty sure I don't.
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These complaints are all about dueling in the MA. Duels in the MA are fun but you are complaining that someone who didn't agree to duel you won't duel you. You are asking for the MA game to be easier. Whether for score or for fun, you want less difficulty catching the bandit.
Here's how you do that. You make yourself an attractive target. Instead of changing everyone else you change yourself.
If you'd rather have an even fight just find one other person that wants to fight and duel them.
No its not about dueling, dueling is a whole different style of play and they have a special arena just for it. No, its about fighting. Fighting in fighters against fighters, or against buffs, or against GVs. The point is to fight.
Not bail from 30k when Zoney shows up in his 190.
Not tower out on concrete in your GV because you hear a bomb.
Not tower out while trying to run troops in an M3 and a Nik is diving on you.
Not make one pass from 20k on a 7K guy and run to ack because you missed.
Not dive in on Radar, or Ammo bunkers and ack until the ack finishes you off.
Not have 20 guys run NOE to take a Vehicle base ( and then disappear when they fail to grab it anyway).
If you like BnZ, fine. Lose your advantage climb out and reset, but come back and fight when you do regain your advantages.
Making an epic buff run, fine don't bail it at the first sign of trouble, fight.
Running an M3 with troops, fine. Those things turn pretty good and with timing you can get any number of guys to auger trying to hit you.
Same with GVs, don't sit still.... ever hear of a sitting duck? Move your butt! No need to tower when on the move you can take any number of planes down while they get frustrated missing with their bombs.
YES, for all you nay sayers you can find a good fight now and then, but they are far too few. It was more like 70% fights and 30% crap. Now we are on 70% crap and 30% fights. I hope with AH3 that the numbers go up and STAY up. I hope the fighting comes back. Only time will tell.
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Ack-dragging wouldn't be a problem if there was no ack.
Clearly you have not encountered the vulchers. Vulchers wouldn't be a problem if the ack was significantly intensified.
There's a balance, somewhere. The AvA people have fussed with it for years.
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If you added up the time people spent climbing to the highest alts and the one burst passes, zoom climb with no kill, rinse repeat and then spent that time actually fighting at most other alts, how good would you be at fighting?
Thats one way to spend 15.00 bucks...pay to not get any better lol. It's not "pay to play" it's pay to refine ones complete lack of skill"
Like Dales sig says, "Some people find the need to explain away their suckage. "My money, my way" is just another explanation.
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biggest runner in this game : TY
went afk as i climbed out and came back just in time to avoid a pass from a 51.
the 51 proceeded to extend, as i chased, for THREE SECTORS, i literally went afk as he just ran until we were 3 bases deep behind the front.
i then ran out of fuel and landed on the ground but this is insane.
TY gets the runstang donkey of the week also he's knight let him know if you see him.
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Waaa...
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No its not about dueling, dueling is a whole different style of play and they have a special arena just for it.
I know that. I believe "dueling in the MA" expresses my opinion of the "problem" of every fighter you want to fight not fighting you.
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Clearly you have not encountered the vulchers. Vulchers wouldn't be a problem if the ack was significantly intensified.
If you up from a capped airfield you chose to put yourself in that position. And that's fine, if you want to run the gauntlet so to speak. If you're killed you're killed by other players in an online game, not some ridiculously unrealistic arbitrary AI magic puffy ack that prevents me from fighting against other players by either shooting down my opponent or me in the middle of a fight.
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All this really breaks down to how you view success in the game.
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The single most damning thing about this game is not player behavior. It's the fact that there's AI ack and flak. Ack-dragging wouldn't be a problem if there was no ack. To knock some rust off before the big campaign I've spent some time in the MA flying the 109G-6. I've been shot down four times. Only one of those deaths were to another human player. In one case I was fighting a Yak-3 at 22-23K and some carrier fleet towered me with its magic puffy clouds. How fun. I'm not sure I want to give these people my money. In fact I'm pretty sure I don't.
:rofl
I see your problem now. But don't worry... there's a solution! Simply climb another 10K or so, and you won't have to worry about anything killing you. Except for perhaps UV rays. Don't forget your sunscreen, shades, and O2!
GScholz has earned the achievement "That's not a mole!"
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I have no problem with being killed in a game. It's just that in an online game I expect to be killed by other human players who have to work for it just as I do, and not some silly unrealistic AI that can magically lay a gun barrage at a maneuvering fighter five miles up.
But yes... I am an alt-monkey for sure!
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The single most damning thing about this game is not player behavior. It's the fact that there's AI ack and flak. Ack-dragging wouldn't be a problem if there was no ack. To knock some rust off before the big campaign I've spent some time in the MA flying the 109G-6. I've been shot down four times. Only one of those deaths were to another human player. In one case I was fighting a Yak-3 at 22-23K and some carrier fleet towered me with its magic puffy clouds. How fun. I'm not sure I want to give these people my money. In fact I'm pretty sure I don't.
Stay away from the fields and that would not happen. Of course those folks now might be co-alt or higher now. If you like fights that should not matter.
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All this really breaks down to how you view success in the game.
Success for everyone in game should be to engage in combat....some think winning the war is the most important thing and it tends to lead to stale game play.
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Stay away from the fields and that would not happen. Of course those folks now might be co-alt or higher now. If you like fights that should not matter.
You're talking about ack, not flak which is my gripe. I never vulch so airfield defenses don't bother me. I would be a God if I could vulch from 20K+! What bothers me is the magic puffy flak that bares no resemblance to the real thing and disrupts fights between real human players. It has no function in the game what so ever except to ruin fights. If it only targeted bombers there might be some immersion value for strategic bombing buffs, but for it to track and shoot down maneuvering fighters at a range and altitude where the shells take 10-20 seconds to reach the intercept point is just completely ridiculous. And that's not accounting for the time it would take between tracking, computing and gun laying.
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Success for everyone in game should be to engage in combat....some think winning the war is the most important thing and it tends to lead to stale game play.
I would hazard to guess everyone here does engage in combat. Where we may differ is how we define combat, and what constitutes success.
To some, it's about the dogfight, and some, it's tanks, others it's blowing stuff up, and others winning the war (which may involve all the former).
I feel it's disingenuous to speak poorly of what someone else likes to do. It's like arguing flavor preference. You may like vanilla, I may like chocolate. Neither flavor is good or bad, it's just different. HTC has developed a game where you aren't rail roaded into a specific way to play. You find success your own way.
That being said, I don't understand personally what thrill is gained by running at the first sight of a red guy. It's not my flavor, and honestly, I laugh when people do it. Does it "hurt" the game, maybe. Can anyone stop it, nope. Let the timid players have their game, it's all good. And when I am in a mood, I sometimes hunt them down just to watch them squirm. Try it sometime, it's delightful.
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You're talking about ack, not flak which is my gripe. I never vulch so airfield defenses don't bother me. I would be a God if I could vulch from 20K+! What bothers me is the magic puffy flak that bares no resemblance to the real thing and disrupts fights between real human players. It has no function in the game what so ever except to ruin fights. If it only targeted bombers there might be some immersion value for strategic bombing buffs, but for it to track and shoot down maneuvering fighters at a range and altitude where the shells take 10-20 seconds to reach the intercept point is just completely ridiculous. And that's not accounting for the time it would take between tracking, computing and gun laying.
Flack is hit and miss. I have been the victim of it too. That is why I usually stay below 3k when near a cv.
Of course if you happen across one out in the open waters.... just adjust course.
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Flack is hit and miss. I have been the victim of it too. That is why I usually stay below 3k when near a cv.
Of course if you happen across one out in the open waters.... just adjust course.
Works unless you are in a perk plane. Otherwise you're towered on the first puff :x
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Works unless you are in a perk plane. Otherwise you're towered on the first puff :x
I am usually in my 38. Rarely in a perk plane. That is why I have so many perks. LOL
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I have no problem with being killed in a game. It's just that in an online game I expect to be killed by other human players who have to work for it just as I do, and not some silly unrealistic AI that can magically lay a gun barrage at a maneuvering fighter five miles up.
But yes... I am an alt-monkey for sure!
I witnessed this, when you took a flak hit over a CV the other night. However, you were NOT maneuvering -- you were flying in a straight line in a shallow climb (reducing speed).
This is not only opposite of what you said, but also the opposite of what you want to do when CV ack starts firing -- instead you want to increase speed and add some G-s (turn). HTC has in recent years enhanced the algorithm so that the "flak box" is larger if you are 1) faster and 2) pulling G's. Try it out. It works.
As to WHY I know about your particular case, I was the Corsair you followed back to my CV. I was at operating at around 10K-15K, screening against some bombers and fighters attacking our CV and nearby V-base, when I ran into you. You came in from at least 20K. You made a couple passes at me which I avoided. I was able to reset at one point for a more nose to nose merge (though I believe I was still -E), where you offset horizontally (good HO-avoidance technique!) and went into a steep Immelmann that I could not hope to match. Seeing this and your previous merges, I knew I was up against a good pilot who knew their ride. I could have fought you from a distinct disadvantage, but recognizing a good pilot flying a better E-fighting bird, I thought it better to call it a draw and extend while I had a chance.
You elected to follow me back to the CV. I thought you might give up once the first few puffy acks started, but you didn't. You continued to follow. So, I intentionally went into a shallow climb -- done to keep you straight at me (seeing closure) and slowing you down in the climb (making you an easier target for the ack). You took an oil (and possibly radiator?) hit.
Rather than dive out and leave, which I probably would not have bothered following, you nosed straight down and dove for the CV kamikaze style and plunged into the water (beyond proxy range). I only know it was you because I thought the move interesting, saved the film and watched it to see who it was.
So, before you make claims that puffy ack is too accurate against a "maneuvering fighter five miles up" you may want to revise your story. Mine is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.
Before you say nobody wants to fight, consider the situation from both sides. I would have been happy to fight you from anything resembling an equal merge or decent position or if I could see you making a mistake. In fact, I actually flew back to you for subsequent merges, knowing you were likely +E. But you flew well, kept the fight uphill and didn't make a mistake. I will add that I actually landed 4 kills that same sortie, all against fighters, most of whom entered the fight Co-E or +E with me. They just weren't as good as you at retaining their E. I salute you for that.
Lastly, before you continue to say there was no player involvement in your death, consider the following:
1) I flew in such a way as to give myself an option to extend (I think wisely). You chose to follow into puffy ack (I think unwisely).
2) I intentionally got you to go straight and slower, after you refused to break off and after you realized we were over my CV. Perhaps a cheesy tactic, but you were just as likely to vulch me landing on the CV. (Don't pretend like it was some magic insta-puff that got you. It certainly wasn't that time. And subsequently, you should have known there was a CV there.)
3) YOU elected to nose straight down and suicide into the sea -- death at your own hands, not the ack.
Those were all player actions and choices (mostly yours, in fact). They just didn't have the result you wanted (someone to get roped and shot down) which would have been much more to your liking. My objectives (protect the CV) didn't align with yours (bounce somebody and shoot them down).
That's the moral of this whole thread: you get to control your choices, others control theirs. Sometimes objectives align, sometimes they don't. Sometimes you get what you want, sometimes you don't. Play accordingly.
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I witnessed this...
No you did not. Unless your F4U was made by the Yakovlev design bureau ;), as I've already stated in my previous posts:
In one case I was fighting a Yak-3 at 22-23K and some carrier fleet towered me with its magic puffy clouds.
In your case I got ack dragged. Wasn't the first time, won't be the last. Under the circumstances, my fault. Still was a rather anticlimactic end to our encounter. If that puffy flak wasn't there you would have made other choices. Maybe even elected to fight me.
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These threads always end up in a purse fight. SMH
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Oh, and yeah, the flak did kill me. PW+oli+just about everything else got hit. I had no chance of surviving to a friendly field. Couldn't even make the carrier that killed me.
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These threads always end up in a purse fight. SMH
Funny, I didn't think I was arguing anything. Just making a couple points:
1) Puffy ack is generally not as lethal as he was making it out to be if you are actually maneuvering. (In response to: "I've spent some time in the MA flying the 109G-6. I've been shot down four times. Only one of those deaths were to another human player.")
2) Sometimes the other guy doesn't do what you want him to do, and that's not the other guys fault.
As for this comment:
If that puffy flak wasn't there you would have made other choices. Maybe even elected to fight me.
Yes, I would have extended in a different direction and then come back to fight you, as I did the first time you bounced me.
If you don't expect every enemy to remain under your perch when they have other options, then you'll be disappointed less often.
No argument on my end.
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That would have been a much better conclusion to our encounter, regardless of who would have emerged victorious.
As for your "actually maneuvering" comment: In real life a course change or alt change once every minute would have kept me all but safe from flak.
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Oddly... some folks who tend to whine about other people running, always seem to show up to their so called fight with distinct advantages in aircraft, altitude, firepower or numbers.
Just saying.
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Oddly... some folks who tend to whine about other people running, always seem to show up to their so called fight with distinct advantages in aircraft, altitude, firepower or numbers.
Just saying.
Incorrect.
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Incorrect.
Correct
Or, do you in fact believe that ALL whiners-about-runners ALWAYS show up with NO advantage? Or, did you (I suspect) dispense with reading the material, and proudly oppose my position in ignorance? :rolleyes:
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There are many legitimate reasons for running. And whining about runners is generally just silly.
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Incorrect.
1. Sadly Tumor is correct in this case because of his shrewd use of "some people", there is hypocrisy present on occasion by a small number of vocal "runner" whiners.
2. Tumor what is your ingame handle?
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to expect to get kills just because you show up to get kills is silly. I have killed a lot of people who have turned and ran when they lost the advantage. then i see them whine here on the bb about others running.
I'll fight you when I feel like it or kill you when I feel like it. I'll run when I feel like it. say what you want about me. I dont really care. I play this game the way I think it's fun for me.
semp
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And that's exactly the way you should play the game. Any game. You're not responsible for anyone's fun but your own.
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And that's exactly the way you should play the game. Any game. You're not responsible for anyone's fun but your own.
Perfect attitude! The hell with everyone else! Your opinion, and semp's, are the only correct way to go about this game right?
I fly with friends, and I will dive in the "save" them if they want me too even tho I know neither one of us will make it out. If I were to have your attitude or play like you my guess is Id be pushed out of my squad for being a "dock".
I fight friends, If I had that attitude my guess is Id be in the same boat as some players like oh I don't know, a certain spit8 flyer, of that guy who seems to always park his/her jeep in the oddest places.
I always thought making the game fun for friend and foe alike makes it fun for more people which then makes it easier for all those people to continue to play.
Oh thats right, you havn't been playing much and are only back for the scenario. You said this....
"How fun. I'm not sure I want to give these people my money. In fact I'm pretty sure I don't."
So is that the only reason your not going to stick around, it isn't fun?
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At least the small hand full of guys in the beta are not coming in here to whine about chasing other guys 4 sectors on CraterMA while harassing them on ch1 about running away. To make things worse those geniuses didn't report a bug as the result of jumping one of the ch1 chest thumpers by a runner's two country men. He was more concerned about not getting his fight than looking for bugs, then rage quit the beta arena. He never noticed his map icon didn't die with him after he hit the ground because he was in a rage over a runner. This game seems to double as RageAholics anonymous.
All the energy being spent on this post could be helping get AH3 live looking for bugs in the beta.......... :O
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And that's exactly the way you should play the game. Any game. You're not responsible for anyone's fun but your own.
:aok
Enlightened self-interest. :D
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Perfect attitude! The hell with everyone else! Your opinion, and semp's, are the only correct way to go about this game right?
I think you're reading too much into what I wrote. My opinion is that I don't have the right to demand anything from any other players, and they have no right to demand anything from me. Do you feel you have the right to demand something from other players?
I fly with friends, and I will dive in the "save" them if they want me too even tho I know neither one of us will make it out. If I were to have your attitude or play like you my guess is Id be pushed out of my squad for being a "dock".
That's fun! You've made a gentlemen's agreement with your squad members to help each outer out. You've done so voluntarily. No one can force you to join their squad and play the game their way. If you find you don't enjoy it you can leave the squad and no one has the right or power to stop you. Se how this works?
I fight friends, If I had that attitude my guess is Id be in the same boat as some players like oh I don't know, a certain spit8 flyer, of that guy who seems to always park his/her jeep in the oddest places.
I have no idea what you're on about.
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fugitive I'm not responsible for you not enjoying the game.
semp
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I like to fly challenging planes in the MA, where it's obviously not fair.
Any person with a sense of logic would tell you that late war planes have the ultimate advantage. It's the perfect example of evolution and survival of the fittest. Year by year faster planes were being produced. Better guns and ammo were being manufactured. The late war planes by far have the greatest advantages.
Hi tech does an incredible job of modeling planes such that they perform in adoption to what they were actually capable of in WW2.
Of course you can run away with your 1944 against a 1942 plane
Every plane has a strength and a weakness. 1942 planes have different strenghts and weaknesses comparatively than to 1944 planes which are better on all levels.
It's great because when you fight in scenarios, you can really feel what it's like to fight against planes that are matched up for the year they were in the war. You really have some great fights.
This game pisses me the F off a lot. I will admit, and I'm sure a lot of people have seen me pissed off. But it's pretty close to the real concept and it's dog eat dog. There is no fairness. You have to really understand the planes, awareness, and ACM to be good at it. Thats why I love playing this game. That's why most people don't have the patients to stick around long enough to be good at it or have fun. You have to really want to learn how to be good at the game or you will die, a lot. I got my bellybutton beat for 6 months when I started this game. Then got my bellybutton beat for another year and learned so much about the game in the MA after H2H. I joined a squad and learned how to Bomb, capture bases, dive bomb, shoot rockets. I wanted to be one of the best in fighters and I practiced a a lot in the DA. I have learned so much about how to be successful in almost every fighter and it's always a new challenge.
I've played this game for over 10 years and the MA is what it is. It's a death pool that's not fair. I think it's perfect but it does take a lot of skill to be successful, much more in mid/early war planes. It brings so much more of a challenge and that's why I continue to play the game.
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Oddly... some folks who tend to whine about other people running, always seem to show up to their so called fight with distinct advantages in aircraft, altitude, firepower or numbers.
Just saying.
Come on man...don't be a girl about and throw some names out there.
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2. Tumor what is your ingame handle?
....really?...
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I'll fight you when I feel like it or kill you when I feel like it. I'll run when I feel like it. say what you want about me. I dont really care. I play this game the way I think it's fun for me.
Wise semp, Good semp, Awesome SEMP! :airplane:
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Perfect attitude! The hell with everyone else! Your opinion, and semp's, are the only correct way to go about this game right?
It's not just "their" opinion... but FWIW, yes. :old:
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fugitive I'm not responsible for you not enjoying the game.
semp
I never said I wasn't enjoying the game. I've been sending my $15 a month to HTC for 12 years.
But I get what your saying. you don't think you should be responsible to help others enjoy the game. We know, it's all about you. As long as your having fun screw the rest of the world.
The point of the game is to fight/interact with the other paying customers in the big old sand box HTC has provided. By running and hiding some players are just getting the point of the game. If you don't ant to fight/interact with others why not save yourself the $15 a month and fly the off line missions.
It's not just "their" opinion... but FWIW, yes. :old:
....ahhh I get it, no one else has a valid opinion.
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Come on man...don't be a girl about and throw some names out there.
Naming names is mean. But I know at least one specific pile-it who likes to wait outside icon range, then come charging into the fight after the opposition has become pre-occupied with other things... who's in this here thread, yep yep. :) :banana: : :x
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....ahhh I get it, no one else has a valid opinion.
How someone chooses to engage in Aces High "game play", is not exactly an opinion, it's a choice. So, your question would appear an attempt to further a non-existent argument, for the sake of argument. I think there's a name for that? However, ultimately... you're pretty much on target, given the context of the thread. :headscratch:
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How someone chooses to engage in Aces High "game play", is not exactly an opinion, it's a choice. So, your question would appear an attempt to further a non-existent argument, for the sake of argument. I think there's a name for that? However, ultimately... you're pretty much on target, given the context of the thread. :headscratch:
OK, maybe I miss understood, explain what you meant with this statement.... "It's not just "their" opinion... but FWIW, yes. "
I thought it meant that not only their opinions, but some others as well. Which leaves the door open for a bunch of other peoples opinions not being valid, which is what I said.
Just because a persons opinion doesn't match yours doesn't make it any less valid. That is what the OP and a many other are doing, voicing opposing opinions. Some people call this a discussion. People like semp call it complaining. :devil
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The point of the game is to fight/interact with the other paying customers in the big old sand box HTC has provided. By running and hiding some players are just getting the point of the game.
A sandbox-game has no "point"... That's what makes it a sandbox-game. You make your own rules and your own goals.
I thought it meant that not only their opinions, but some others as well. Which leaves the door open for a bunch of other peoples opinions not being valid, which is what I said.
Just because a persons opinion doesn't match yours doesn't make it any less valid.
Who's the arbiter of what opinions are "valid"? The obvious answer is: No one. An opinion cannot be valid or invalid... It's just an opinion.
It all boils down to whether or not you feel you have the right, that you're entitled to demand something from other players. Well... If you do then you're wrong. And that is your problem.
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I never said I wasn't enjoying the game. I've been sending my $15 a month to HTC for 12 years.
But I get what your saying. you don't think you should be responsible to help others enjoy the game. We know, it's all about you. As long as your having fun screw the rest of the world.
The point of the game is to fight/interact with the other paying customers in the big old sand box HTC has provided. By running and hiding some players are just getting the point of the game. If you don't ant to fight/interact with others why not save yourself the $15 a month and fly the off line missions.
....ahhh I get it, no one else has a valid opinion.
I pay 15 bucks because it's all about me. I dont pay 15 because it's about you. if it was about you, I can easily afford your 15 bucks. but I dont screw the rest of the world by far. actually I dont screw anybody in this game. well I did date this girl that played for like 2 weeks, but that's another story.
the problem you have fugitive is that if it's always your way or everybody else is doing it wrong. but if you are ever interested why not show up with us pigs and see how I play. perhaps you may see me dive into a red of cons to help a pig. of course if I feel like it.
semp
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....really?...
Yes really, because I don't believe I have ever noticed the name Tumor flying around.
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You know, for the folks saying how hard it is to find good fights, fly in the scenario and I GUARANTEE you will find good fights. White knuckle fights like you've never seen if you haven't flown scenarios. Practice frame is tomorrow 3 PM Eastern US time, SEA 2, the rest of the frames are same bat time, same bat arena every Saturday in June. Registration is still open and walk-ons are always welcome.
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You know, for the folks saying how hard it is to find good fights, fly in the scenario and I GUARANTEE you will find good fights. White knuckle fights like you've never seen if you haven't flown scenarios. Practice frame is tomorrow 3 PM Eastern US time, SEA 2, the rest of the frames are same bat time, same bat arena every Saturday in June. Registration is still open and walk-ons are always welcome.
Scenario teams do try to force the fights to happen but here are times when the restrictions aren't enough and avoiding combat does happen. An example would have been the scenario I walked onto in an F4F....the alt limit let the zeak operate above the F4Fs effective limit so they could hide out up there...WW2 tactic yep.....stale game play VERY.
Yes really, because I don't believe I have ever noticed the name Tumor flying around.
Most Wanted squad roster
Naming names is mean. But I know at least one specific pile-it who likes to wait outside icon range, then come charging into the fight after the opposition has become pre-occupied with other things... who's in this here thread, yep yep. :) :banana: : :x
Whooooooooo??? Stop being a sissy and just say it.....what are they going to do??? Take you to the DA???
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I think you're reading too much into what I wrote. My opinion is that I don't have the right to demand anything from any other players, and they have no right to demand anything from me. Do you feel you have the right to demand something from other players?
That's fun! You've made a gentlemen's agreement with your squad members to help each outer out. You've done so voluntarily. No one can force you to join their squad and play the game their way. If you find you don't enjoy it you can leave the squad and no one has the right or power to stop you. Se how this works?
I have no idea what you're on about.
This is why we can not have nice things! :old:
A game of chess or a organized scenario. :x Now we are playing together! :old:
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climb high, watch your six, and stay alive! :salute
lets see, where did i put that jet. :cheers: :bolt:
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Fought a P-51 the other day. He ran to ack immediately after blowing his advantage. Rinse, repeat until he finally ran home for good.
AH3 can't get here fast enough, because most of the people left playing AH2 seem to have no interest in any combat that they might lose. :rolleyes:
This seems to be the most common thing I see anymore. Unless they outnumber you by at least 4-1. And it seems to be the favorite tactic more of pony drivers then anyone else. Only I've seen it even worse. I've seen them have advantage. make one pass and not even maintain that advantage and set up for another shot. But instead simply run right to their ack rather then even try to stick around and fight before they start running.
There are VERY few quality pony drivers anymore. Its really very sad
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Oddly... some folks who tend to whine about other people running, always seem to show up to their so called fight with distinct advantages in aircraft, altitude, firepower or numbers.
Just saying.
Oddly...as often as not. The people I tend to whine about them running are the ones I attacked who had the advantage or started with the advantage.
Take last night for example. I attack a higher pony who had more E and alt on me and his first reaction is to turn. Miss on a shot and dive straight away and run to his ack. He only came back at me when I attacked two of his lower countryman also in ponies (killing one) and as soon as I turned to deal with him. He turns right back around and circles his field at low alt again....and again....and again
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A sandbox-game has no "point"... That's what makes it a sandbox-game. You make your own rules and your own goals.
Who's the arbiter of what opinions are "valid"? The obvious answer is: No one. An opinion cannot be valid or invalid... It's just an opinion.
It all boils down to whether or not you feel you have the right, that you're entitled to demand something from other players. Well... If you do then you're wrong. And that is your problem.
I "demand" nothing, I suggest. I hope with my suggestions that other players look at how the play the game and may see where they are missing some part of the game they haven't thought about. Too many games are designed as "lone wolf" games. First person shooters, single play arcade and so on. That mentality doesn't work in a "team" environment. Sure you can lone wolf it in this game but you miss out on a lot of game play. You can play it with the attitude of "Im the best" and alienate every other player every time you play, but it isnt good for game play or the rest of the game in general.
Why do people leave? Sure there are "real world" issues that cause some to leave, but I think it is because so many players become bored playing their single faceted game style.
Join the horde and maybe get to drop on a target.... rinse repeat
Jump in a fighter and HO everything in site.... rinse repeat
Spawn camp a GV spawn and single shot tanks.... rinse repeat
Get in a buff, climb to 30k bomb a strat, bail.... rinse repeat
I "suggest" that these players try other options. They are missing soo much of the game and when they get bored, they leave.
Then we have those that leave due to lack of fights/action. If these players that play a "single faceted" game style try other things like oh maybe fight, do you think we may keep more of these players that are looking for action as well?
I KNOW people aren't leaving because they have mastered the game. There is so much to do in this game, and that is what I suggest other do. Explore the other options, one trick ponies get bored and leave.
I pay 15 bucks because it's all about me. I dont pay 15 because it's about you. if it was about you, I can easily afford your 15 bucks. but I dont screw the rest of the world by far. actually I dont screw anybody in this game. well I did date this girl that played for like 2 weeks, but that's another story.
the problem you have fugitive is that if it's always your way or everybody else is doing it wrong. but if you are ever interested why not show up with us pigs and see how I play. perhaps you may see me dive into a red of cons to help a pig. of course if I feel like it.
semp
Ahh but if your attitude, or style of play chases other players away? Wouldn't you consider that a bit self centered? By making a small change like..... say instead of dropping the FH in a base attack your squad left them up and granted the upped a few seconds to get their wheels and have to fight for the base. More fun I would think for both sides right?
As for flying with the pigs, I've done that many a time, but always on the other side. Some nights are fun.... I was working on learning the Yak, and ran into Bustr and his spit most of the night. He got me more often than not, but it was a lot of fun fights. Some nights, not so fun.... Razor shows up in his 262 and picks over what could be a fun fight.
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Same people making the same dreary, recycled, rehashed, retreaded, walked on, shot-up arguments about the game.
Dodger was right...You people need to fight more and talk less. I can say this because this "discussion" has never accomplished anything. Ever. Lmao. It's the same old crap.
Dale should shut this forum down for about a year. You wanna talk or air some recycled, over-abused grievance about gameplay? Then you'd have to do it in-game or straight to Dale by email...
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1. Sadly Tumor is correct in this case because of his shrewd use of "some people", there is hypocrisy present on occasion by a small number of vocal "runner" whiners.
2. Tumor what is your ingame handle?
Agreed. Tumor is correct. I missed the word 'some', most likely because the addition of the word made the post pointless. You can always find corner cases if you look hard enough. That doesn't mean they're relevant to the conversation at hand.
'Most', however, is a word that carries more weight. And in my experience, the guys who complain about runners - myself included - are by & large the ones who are looking for a good fight, and are ready to give you one.
That all being said, of the two days I've logged on this week, both have been filled with exceptional fights, so it's not like there aren't fights to be had. But that's because the people I was fighting pretty much feel the way I do (as far as I can tell).
I have to agree with Fugitives overall message here. The people who are missing out the most due to 'safe' gameplay are the runners themselves. I know they'd have a more enjoyable experience if they put a fraction of the time they spend in game towards actually learning how to play it. But for whatever reason, they don't. That's what frustrates me more than anything. If they'd simply suck up their ego long enough to learn from a few losses, their win/loss ratio would improve drastically, they'd absolutely get more fun out of the game than ever before, and it would be more enjoyable for everyone involved. But just as in real life, a large portion of the population would rather protect their fragile ego by appearing to be more than they are (nursing their score and playing like pansies), rather than actually working to become what they pretend to be.
I personally have yet to meet any of the top players who refuse to help when asked, and when you get them in the DA/TA, they're generally be the most courteous players you'll meet. So maybe next time some of you have the option of either joining the next hoard attack, or hitting up a good stick for some training time, you'll choose the latter. It's better for you, it's better for me, and it's better for the game.
IMO, if you want to become good at fighting in this game, you have to: A) fight as often as you can, without concern for your score, and B) seek out help from other players. So by all means - ASK FOR HELP.
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Fishbait :aok
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fugitive when was the last time I dropped a fh? name one player that I chased away with my game play.
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Oddly...as often as not. The people I tend to whine about them running are the ones I attacked who had the advantage or started with the advantage.
Take last night for example. I attack a higher pony who had more E and alt on me and his first reaction is to turn. Miss on a shot and dive straight away and run to his ack. He only came back at me when I attacked two of his lower countryman also in ponies (killing one) and as soon as I turned to deal with him. He turns right back around and circles his field at low alt again....and again....and again
:airplane: Oh ya, I remember this well cuz I was laughing like a drunk Hyena the whole way. OK FWIW... I never made a move towards you to begin with. You picked me up after I made a pass through at least 4 almost-as-high-as-me "reds", (our base below was being severely horded at the time so, not an option). Literally maybe 3 Green dots in a sector with at least 10 red. I went up and came back through, fast. I wasn't worried or concerned about you let alone aware of you, until you were in close at 1000. But, then you locked-on and I was out of options. So, please don't be all about how you out-clevered me with your badassery to get on my tail. My nonchalant zip-through showed you my 6, and you wouldn't look away. I can't say I blame you. Then, I pretty much figured it was you, because... well, it was a 190, it was fast, and it was fixated, and it was knit. See, for years I got picked by higher 190's and stuff... I know how not to do that. AND you DO tend to get fixated Dred (just a friendly note). I might add I think I thought I could faintly hear you rage-crying "A RUNNER A RUNNER, LOOK A RUNNER, KILL KILL KILL", but I'm not sure. Anyway, I made it to ack and you turned and "picked" Fearless... so then I knew for certain it was you. So that takes care of up to about pass 1.5 or 2 through the top end of my ack. I know it's friggin unreal that a pony managed to outrun you all that way. <shrug>
Now, at this point knowing it's you Dred... I can't fly to a merge with you, because I KNOW there's a 100% chance I'll get HO'd with superior (and highly practiced) firepower. Oh, and I lose around 99% of those, so I just don't (because, it's lame). 100-PERCENT-CHANCE of full-frontal-metal-high-velocity-Dred-precipitation. I would add... you actually TRIED to HO me from about 1500 lol. I'm not flying straight at you Dred, I'm not in to jousting.
My one advantage was ack, as you consistently zoom climbed to deny me any sort of level playing field, over and over and over and over. I patiently used ack to MY advantage until you made a mistake. That's what I did... and you did, and you went to the tower leading 3 or 4 of us on a jerky flip-floppy 5min chase. YOU waited too long, lost your SA, and let TriTip get over you, and that was the end of you. :devil
The kicker to this extremely enjoyable event was the friendly banter going on between myself, my hero Tritip, and Fearless. Once you popped, we were all like.. what are we gonna be, Clowns or Cowards. It was Cowards! Thank you Dred. The inevitable Ch200 DredIock Rage because you.... got whacked! :furious
But, here's the deal. I dont' fly, or play this game, or whatever you want to call it... to present a target to YOU or anyone else. I play in MY way to make as many Red guys die as I can while I remain among the living. I don't care HOW I do it, and I certainly don't consider stopping and fighting every red guy I see just because he's there, or "for the fight". I'm not even remotely concerned with putting myself into losing situations, chest-thumping, out-clevering, score xxx'ing or whatever (uhh, beyond K/D). I ENJOY treating this thing called AH as a simulation of sorts, I mean I know it's not really, and I know HTC didn't design the game for pilots to act like... WW2 pilots, apparently :rolleyes:, but there you have it. I ALWAYS plan on landing when I leave the runway (and I'd say I'm at least decent at that). I always depart with 100% fuel, a lot of the time with DTs... or fully loaded with bombs and rocs. This often lends itself to not getting into any kind of turn-fite at all, cause well... a whole LOT of people have much better performing (turning) aircraft and they never have more than 25%. Numbers is another little SA thing I keep in mind. I find it terribly entertaining to fly in a stealthy manner, to a stealthy spot, over a horde and totally PICKTARD people, or even better, those who are AFK while on their way to join the local horde. Ask Yucca.. I'm kinda rusty right now and my aim is pretty much normal so I missed and accidentally 6-crashed him last night lol and I (deservedly) am the one who got the damage. My ~input~ if you will, to the game, is to help MY side in whatever way I can and like it or not, I do what I can to remain among the living while doing it. (Ya Hitech I know... flying to stay alive is akin to not even worth playing the game right?, well, opinions are like those stinky things? Everyone's got one) I'm patient... I've refueled up to 5 maybe 6 times. I enjoy what I do. I'm NOT good at the whole turn-fight thing.. at all.. never was, especially not in the Pony. There's a certain balance in cartoon flying between, pretending to do things like a pilot would do, and doing gamey things no "pilot would ever do. I lean hard to the pilot thing, so I'm at a distinct disadvantage almost 100% of the time. I do MY thing the way I want to do it for the price of MY subscription the way I know is best for ME.
You died. I landed 2. FOR ME, I caused you to cartoon-die, even if indirectly. End of story. Maybe HTC could implement a new branch of the game and call it "Courtrooms High" so you can SUE ME! For not allowing you a kill shot!! :)
<signed> The Cowardly Clowny Pony
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Yes really, because I don't believe I have ever noticed the name Tumor flying around.
Been around since beta... took a little time off here and there, +/- a few months of 2yrs or so.
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Ahh but if your attitude, or style of play chases other players away? Wouldn't you consider that a bit self centered? By making a small change like.....
Make no mistake, players do not chase people away. Why people do or do not leave this game is 100% in HTC's court. 100% They make the decisions. Players employ HTC's game in the manner HTC allows them to.
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Whooooooooo??? Stop being a sissy and just say it.....what are they going to do??? Take you to the DA???
Who's Snuggie? :t
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fugitive when was the last time I dropped a fh? name one player that I chased away with my game play.
semp
You take things too literal, I was using you and your squad as an example. I know you have trouble hitting the ground with bombs! j/k :D
Make no mistake, players do not chase people away. Why people do or do not leave this game is 100% in HTC's court. 100% They make the decisions. Players employ HTC's game in the manner HTC allows them to.
Ever heard of the term "Rage Quit"? Happens very often. Some quit for a day, others cancel their subscriptions. A player and a couple of his squadmate were recently banned for "hunting" another player to the exclusion of all else just to tick him off and to get him to quit.
There is a lot players can do to make this game experience a fun one or a horrible one. Running and hiding in ack..... not so fun. Getting bullied over the radio on 200 or in PM's.... not so fun. Chasing a set of buffs only to see them bail as you close to icon range.... not so fun.
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Naming names is mean. But I know at least one specific pile-it who likes to wait outside icon range, then come charging into the fight after the opposition has become pre-occupied with other things... who's in this here thread, yep yep. :) :banana: : :x
Who's Snuggie? :t
Got any film of this? Is this my regular routine according to you, or just conjecture? Bet it's the latter.
Checked my stats for this tour and the last three and the only verified encounter between Tumor and Snuggie was your P-51D getting a kill on my P-40C. To be honest, I've never even heard of you.
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Same people making the same dreary, recycled, rehashed, retreaded, walked on, shot-up arguments about the game.
Dodger was right...You people need to fight more and talk less. I can say this because this "discussion" has never accomplished anything. Ever. Lmao. It's the same old crap.
Dale should shut this forum down for about a year. You wanna talk or air some recycled, over-abused grievance about gameplay? Then you'd have to do it in-game or straight to Dale by email...
This is so true.......... :old:
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Got any film of this? Is this my regular routine according to you, or just conjecture? Bet it's the latter.
Checked my stats for this tour and the last three and the only verified encounter between Tumor and Snuggie was your P-51D getting a kill on my P-40C. To be honest, I've never even heard of you.
Months ago. Only time I ever really remember running into you. Your A20 and, can't remember... Yak or something after A20 didn't work out so well.
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There is a lot players can do to make this game experience a fun one or a horrible one. Running and hiding in ack..... not so fun. Getting bullied over the radio on 200 or in PM's.... not so fun. Chasing a set of buffs only to see them bail as you close to icon range.... not so fun.
Running, Hiding in Ack, Bomb'n Bailers etc have 1 thing in common you folks refuse to acknowledge. Look, I don't like bomb'n bailers any more than you do. Runners and Hiders I don't care about. However, it's their $15, AND HTC HAS MADE IT PERFECTLY CLEAR THAT IT IS PERFECTLY ACCEPTABLE GAME PLAY.
The whine is not new. It's very, very old. Lets add more "lame stuff". Ho's. Suicidal Dive bombing. Suicidal level bombing. Any of many Game-the-Game "ACM" manuevers. The AH pile-it's totally rubber neck. Near complete immunity from the effects of G-forces (aircraft included). 3rd Person View... anywhere. Shaaaaades. Immediate re-upping in exactly the same place you just died (GVs).
It's all cool... it's all game, apparently.
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This is a game????????
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But, here's the deal. I dont' fly, or play this game, or whatever you want to call it... to present a target to YOU or anyone else. I play in MY way to make as many Red guys die as I can while I remain among the living. I don't care HOW I do it, and I certainly don't consider stopping and fighting every red guy I see just because he's there, or "for the fight". I'm not even remotely concerned with putting myself into losing situations, chest-thumping, out-clevering, score xxx'ing or whatever (uhh, beyond K/D). I ENJOY treating this thing called AH as a simulation of sorts, I mean I know it's not really, and I know HTC didn't design the game for pilots to act like... WW2 pilots, apparently :rolleyes:, but there you have it. I ALWAYS plan on landing when I leave the runway (and I'd say I'm at least decent at that). I always depart with 100% fuel, a lot of the time with DTs... or fully loaded with bombs and rocs. This often lends itself to not getting into any kind of turn-fite at all, cause well... a whole LOT of people have much better performing (turning) aircraft and they never have more than 25%. Numbers is another little SA thing I keep in mind. I find it terribly entertaining to fly in a stealthy manner, to a stealthy spot, over a horde and totally PICKTARD people, or even better, those who are AFK while on their way to join the local horde. Ask Yucca.. I'm kinda rusty right now and my aim is pretty much normal so I missed and accidentally 6-crashed him last night lol and I (deservedly) am the one who got the damage. My ~input~ if you will, to the game, is to help MY side in whatever way I can and like it or not, I do what I can to remain among the living while doing it. (Ya Hitech I know... flying to stay alive is akin to not even worth playing the game right?, well, opinions are like those stinky things? Everyone's got one) I'm patient... I've refueled up to 5 maybe 6 times. I enjoy what I do. I'm NOT good at the whole turn-fight thing.. at all.. never was, especially not in the Pony. There's a certain balance in cartoon flying between, pretending to do things like a pilot would do, and doing gamey things no "pilot would ever do. I lean hard to the pilot thing, so I'm at a distinct disadvantage almost 100% of the time. I do MY thing the way I want to do it for the price of MY subscription the way I know is best for ME.
<signed> The Cowardly Clowny Pony
Not only do you embody every tactic I find loathsome in this game, you're actually proud of it. I just don't get it. You talk about us as 'chest thumpers', then you go on to explain how you hide out in the clouds waiting for AFK victims & re-arm/re-fuel multiple times in a single mission. In other words, you do anything and everything necessary to present the image that you're a great stick via your K/D ratio and landing multiple kills. Yet you say you don't care what other people think? Sounds like you care very, very much about what other people think, and you're willing to sacrifice your integrity to satisfy that need.
If you actually did treat this game as a war simulation - as you say - I could respect that. But I've seen you fly, and from what I've seen, you don't help anyone on your team out unless your chance of getting harmed in the process is nill. Also, clearing their 12 from a position way above the fight is not exactly helping them out. You had a real good start on being honest above - no need to taint that now with deception. Playing from a position of zero risk is hardly simulating WWII air combat.
You say you suck at turn-fighting and always have been. Gee, I wonder why????? Could it possibly be that you never really try to fight so you never learn the skills necessary to be successful? What a crazy concept!
Like they say - different strokes for different folks. But personally speaking, if I racked up kills the way you do, I'd feel like I was one of those people who buy other people's sports trophies off ebay and present them as their own.
You ever want to TA, let me know. I'm not the best (by a long shot), but I think I could be of at least some help. Then again, I think you've been around much longer than I, so if you haven't tried to improve by now, I doubt it's something you're interested in.
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Months ago. Only time I ever really remember running into you. Your A20 and, can't remember... Yak or something after A20 didn't work out so well.
I rarely fly the A-20. My last death in it was in Tour 171. That was in April 2014 and you weren't the victor.
Checked for Yaks too and had 9 deaths in the last 12 tours. None of them involved you.
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Not only do you embody every tactic I find loathsome in this game, you're actually proud of it. I just don't get it. You talk about us as 'chest thumpers', then you go on to explain how you hide out in the clouds waiting for AFK victims & re-arm/re-fuel multiple times in a single mission. In other words, you do anything and everything necessary to present the image that you're a great stick via your K/D ratio and landing multiple kills. Yet you say you don't care what other people think? Sounds like you care very, very much about what other people think, and you're willing to sacrifice your integrity to satisfy that need.
If you actually did treat this game as a war simulation - as you say - I could respect that. But I've seen you fly, and from what I've seen, you don't help anyone on your team out unless your chance of getting harmed in the process is nill. Also, clearing their 12 from a position way above the fight is not exactly helping them out. You had a real good start on being honest above - no need to taint that now with deception. Playing from a position of zero risk is hardly simulating WWII air combat.
You say you suck at turn-fighting and always have been. Gee, I wonder why????? Could it possibly be that you never really try to fight so you never learn the skills necessary to be successful? What a crazy concept!
Like they say - different strokes for different folks. But personally speaking, if I racked up kills the way you do, I'd feel like I was one of those people who buy other people's sports trophies off ebay and present them as their own.
You ever want to TA, let me know. I'm not the best (by a long shot), but I think I could be of at least some help. Then again, I think you've been around much longer than I, so if you haven't tried to improve by now, I doubt it's something you're interested in.
Ok look... you don't even have to think real hard about this: I Play This Game MY Way, Not Yours!. I don't feel bad, not even an itty bitty teeny weensy little bit, that you find it loathsome... in fact, that makes it so much more delightful.
Enjoy.
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Nice to be able to throw out accusations without having to retract them when proven wrong, isn't it?
Maybe you can get a job at the New York Times.
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Nice to be able to throw out accusations without having to retract them when proven wrong, isn't it?
Maybe you can get a job at the New York Times.
And this is why I wanted him to throw out a name because I knew he was full of it.
About 3 or 4 people in this game who fly as reckless as me looking for a fight that I've noticed....Dodger, Del, Lazer and Snuggie....difference between Snuggie and the rest of us is he strictly flys hangar queens like the nerd he is :aok
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3 out of 4 isn't bad Junky
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dam dolby, thats a low blow. :old:
have you ever though of how many different enunciations there is for the word "dude"?
Or
"want to go to the DA?"
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This thread is shear entertainment.
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This thread is shear entertainment.
Indeed and will debated by the "scholars of AH" next month in a similar based topic. "Looking at the K/D, K/H, etc, you will notice that I am the sierra hotel stick!!!" Just STFU and play if some of you champion this game as often as you do. It really is that simple.
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And this is why I wanted him to throw out a name because I knew he was full of it.
About 3 or 4 people in this game who fly as reckless as me looking for a fight that I've noticed....Dodger, Del, Lazer and Snuggie....difference between Snuggie and the rest of us is he strictly flys hangar queens like the nerd he is :aok
The other difference is that I'm not in the same league as you guys.
And they're not hangar queens, it's just that their appeal is a bit more selective. :)
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3 out of 4 isn't bad Junky
Are you saying 3 out of 4 of those names listed are what I said they were??? Reading comprehension isn't my thing ;)
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Nice to be able to throw out accusations without having to retract them when proven wrong, isn't it?
Maybe you can get a job at the New York Times.
Gotta admit this board is entertaining. AH folks have this uncanny tendency to filter information presented, make up parts that fit their needs, then pronounce themselves King of the More Cleverest!
I didn't say you got me, I didn't say I got you. I did though :aok watch you do this for an hour maybe 45. (you know that thing where other people get shot down, you know, and you like... ask them who shooted them down... and they like tell ya. And then it happens more times again?) Gosh, you were good at it. It was kinda cool. You were one of 1 or 2 other "reds" in the area, in the air. It was mostly a GV fight. You had me being quite carefully attempting to bomb**** and avoid you at the same time. Good Show man, awesome show, BRAVO!! I'll try not to insult you so hard next time.... I hate to give Junky more ankle to hump. :x
P.S. Sorry no, I don't run around with film running all the time. I mean, if someone's doing something really awesome, or questionable, sure. But, you're not that good, or questionable. I'll film you next time your around there, so you know, I can send you film of yourself doing stuff for your entertainment. Great.
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Tumor, you'd be one of those turds in the MA flying for garbage kills and failing to do it well.
Long story short is your bad at this game that you have played since Beta....just sayin''
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You guys restore my faith in the human race. :old: :)
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Reading comprehension isn't my thing ;)
And teaching it isn't mine.
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Tumor, you'd be one of those turds in the MA flying for garbage kills and failing to do it well.
Long story short is your bad at this game that you have played since Beta....just sayin''
Ankle porn. :aok
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:airplane: Oh ya, I remember this well cuz I was laughing like a drunk Hyena the whole way. OK FWIW... I never made a move towards you to begin with. You picked me up after I made a pass through at least 4 almost-as-high-as-me "reds", (our base below was being severely horded at the time so, not an option). Literally maybe 3 Green dots in a sector with at least 10 red. I went up and came back through, fast. I wasn't worried or concerned about you let alone aware of you, until you were in close at 1000. But, then you locked-on and I was out of options. So, please don't be all about how you out-clevered me with your badassery to get on my tail. My nonchalant zip-through showed you my 6, and you wouldn't look away. I can't say I blame you. Then, I pretty much figured it was you, because... well, it was a 190, it was fast, and it was fixated, and it was knit. See, for years I got picked by higher 190's and stuff... I know how not to do that. AND you DO tend to get fixated Dred (just a friendly note). I might add I think I thought I could faintly hear you rage-crying "A RUNNER A RUNNER, LOOK A RUNNER, KILL KILL KILL", but I'm not sure. Anyway, I made it to ack and you turned and "picked" Fearless... so then I knew for certain it was you. So that takes care of up to about pass 1.5 or 2 through the top end of my ack. I know it's friggin unreal that a pony managed to outrun you all that way. <shrug>
Now, at this point knowing it's you Dred... I can't fly to a merge with you, because I KNOW there's a 100% chance I'll get HO'd with superior (and highly practiced) firepower. Oh, and I lose around 99% of those, so I just don't (because, it's lame). 100-PERCENT-CHANCE of full-frontal-metal-high-velocity-Dred-precipitation. I would add... you actually TRIED to HO me from about 1500 lol. I'm not flying straight at you Dred, I'm not in to jousting.
My one advantage was ack, as you consistently zoom climbed to deny me any sort of level playing field, over and over and over and over. I patiently used ack to MY advantage until you made a mistake. That's what I did... and you did, and you went to the tower leading 3 or 4 of us on a jerky flip-floppy 5min chase. YOU waited too long, lost your SA, and let TriTip get over you, and that was the end of you. :devil
The kicker to this extremely enjoyable event was the friendly banter going on between myself, my hero Tritip, and Fearless. Once you popped, we were all like.. what are we gonna be, Clowns or Cowards. It was Cowards! Thank you Dred. The inevitable Ch200 DredIock Rage because you.... got whacked! :furious
But, here's the deal. I dont' fly, or play this game, or whatever you want to call it... to present a target to YOU or anyone else. I play in MY way to make as many Red guys die as I can while I remain among the living. I don't care HOW I do it, and I certainly don't consider stopping and fighting every red guy I see just because he's there, or "for the fight". I'm not even remotely concerned with putting myself into losing situations, chest-thumping, out-clevering, score xxx'ing or whatever (uhh, beyond K/D). I ENJOY treating this thing called AH as a simulation of sorts, I mean I know it's not really, and I know HTC didn't design the game for pilots to act like... WW2 pilots, apparently :rolleyes:, but there you have it. I ALWAYS plan on landing when I leave the runway (and I'd say I'm at least decent at that). I always depart with 100% fuel, a lot of the time with DTs... or fully loaded with bombs and rocs. This often lends itself to not getting into any kind of turn-fite at all, cause well... a whole LOT of people have much better performing (turning) aircraft and they never have more than 25%. Numbers is another little SA thing I keep in mind. I find it terribly entertaining to fly in a stealthy manner, to a stealthy spot, over a horde and totally PICKTARD people, or even better, those who are AFK while on their way to join the local horde. Ask Yucca.. I'm kinda rusty right now and my aim is pretty much normal so I missed and accidentally 6-crashed him last night lol and I (deservedly) am the one who got the damage. My ~input~ if you will, to the game, is to help MY side in whatever way I can and like it or not, I do what I can to remain among the living while doing it. (Ya Hitech I know... flying to stay alive is akin to not even worth playing the game right?, well, opinions are like those stinky things? Everyone's got one) I'm patient... I've refueled up to 5 maybe 6 times. I enjoy what I do. I'm NOT good at the whole turn-fight thing.. at all.. never was, especially not in the Pony. There's a certain balance in cartoon flying between, pretending to do things like a pilot would do, and doing gamey things no "pilot would ever do. I lean hard to the pilot thing, so I'm at a distinct disadvantage almost 100% of the time. I do MY thing the way I want to do it for the price of MY subscription the way I know is best for ME.
You died. I landed 2. FOR ME, I caused you to cartoon-die, even if indirectly. End of story. Maybe HTC could implement a new branch of the game and call it "Courtrooms High" so you can SUE ME! For not allowing you a kill shot!! :)
<signed> The Cowardly Clowny Pony
You ARE funny! Because nimrod. I wasnt even referring to you for one point and for another you have to be confusing me with someone else because while it is possible that such an event took place at some point in time as I usually do end up with 4,5,6+ chasing me. I not remember the encounter you describe ever taking place. And it certainly wasnt even the one I was describing. Yanno how I know that? because the encounter I was describing the pony that ran back to his base wasnt even a base that was being hoarded In fact I WAS the only knit there. And in fact I WAS the only knit in the sector let alone vicinity of the higher pony I attacked. Add to that it wasnt FEARLESS I killed. whom I broke off to kill in hopes the coward pony would leave the ack to fight and maybe try and rescue his countryman.
Another little factoid was the pony that ran to ack and then came back (with advantage) only to run to ack again and again,,and again. Only actually stayed to fight when a high tiffy came in and because of him and the position Fearless (not you) had forced me onto the defensive. after which the fight lasted MAYBE a minute. Not 4-5 because Fearess got a pilot wound on me and I was forced to bail.
Now if that pony WAS you. I still say you're a flipping coward because it wasnt just HO shots you shied away from. But any time I turned in your direction.
Like a little kid flinching whenever daddy raises his hand thinking he's gonna get smacked.
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Purses at dawn!
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Purses at dawn!
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And teaching it isn't mine.
Be that way :aok
You guys restore my faith in the human race. :old: :)
What we cant get in purse fights on the BBS anymore??? Heck there is more action here then there is in game these days :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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I not remember the encounter you describe ever taking place.
Ohhhh.... well, now you know. :)
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see fugitive this is exactly why I play the way I do. I play it to entertain myself. read the last couple of pages and you will understand that for some it's more like ego rather than gameplay.
I'll keep running, vulching, hoing if it makes me laugh.
semp
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Some people enjoy simulating a WWII combat environment. Aces High ain't quite that... but it's the closest thing out there.
Pay my subscription costs and I'll fly "your" way, until them I'm going have fun my way. :devil
Flying to lose is, well....stupid.
Who the hell flies to lose? I fly to win! ... I'm not going to blow 15k of alt just so you can shoot at me.
:aok :aok :aok
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see fugitive this is exactly why I play the way I do. I play it to entertain myself. read the last couple of pages and you will understand that for some it's more like ego rather than gameplay.
I'll keep running, vulching, hoing if it makes me laugh.
semp
But thats my point, if your running, vulching, hoing "that makes you laugh" is what is causing other players to cancel their subscriptions then you are part of the problem. By making a few small changes in your game play it could help OTHERS have more fun and STAY. Wouldn't that be something worth while or are you too self center and think "your style" of play is more important than helping make it more fun for everyone?
The OP points out the "lengths people go to" as his complaint. If these things are what is making people leave why cant other point out the issues and players "man up" and help increase the fun instead of the animosity.
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I'm almost certain there are few that get on here just to chat on 200. They don't want to fight, they want to talk. Not sure if it's against rules to call some people out by, so I won't. But the name that comes to mind most sounds a lot like, "I'll Race You."
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I'm almost certain there are few that get on here just to chat on 200. They don't want to fight, they want to talk. Not sure if it's against rules to call some people out by, so I won't. But the name that comes to mind most sounds a lot like, "I'll Race You."
:rofl :rofl
:aok
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But thats my point, if your running, vulching, hoing "that makes you laugh" is what is causing other players to cancel their subscriptions then you are part of the problem. By making a few small changes in your game play it could help OTHERS have more fun and STAY. Wouldn't that be something worth while or are you too self center and think "your style" of play is more important than helping make it more fun for everyone?
The OP points out the "lengths people go to" as his complaint. If these things are what is making people leave why cant other point out the issues and players "man up" and help increase the fun instead of the animosity.
again fugitive name one player that has quit because of how I play.
semp
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again fugitive name one player that has quit because of how I play.
semp
I have not flown in a while and have almost lost the desire to get in game because of the lack of fights. Now, let's be clear, at some stage we all run due to having fought and lost the position tot he point that 1 more turn would be suicide so we try to extend in the hope of re-engaging.
I do no think this thread is about that. It is about the numbers of people who simply do not even bother to try anything more than a fast pass hit and run. They are boring me to death and I have spent the last 2 weeks in World of Warships because I know in there I get to fight.
So semp, in short, people are quitting / limiting time in game because of the prevalent game play at the moment. I think it is on a slope that cannot be reversed as it is an attitude thing and it is not good for the future.
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Sometimes I like to furball in suicidal odds. Other times I like to pretend that I'm a fighter pilot in WW2 and don't want to die. I'll still fight, but I wont always just throw my 'life' away pointlessly every single sortie.
Why put ourselves in a situation that limits our choices based on some age old stigmas about playing styles? Try a little of everything an mix it up.
If I'm not having fun the real problem is not other players, it's me. It's a sandbox game. If I don't enjoy playing it then I'm doing something wrong or it's simply not the game for me. Trying to control what kind of sandcastle the other kids build has never and will never work.
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I have not flown in a while and have almost lost the desire to get in game because of the lack of fights. Now, let's be clear, at some stage we all run due to having fought and lost the position tot he point that 1 more turn would be suicide so we try to extend in the hope of re-engaging.
I do no think this thread is about that. It is about the numbers of people who simply do not even bother to try anything more than a fast pass hit and run. They are boring me to death and I have spent the last 2 weeks in World of Warships because I know in there I get to fight.
So semp, in short, people are quitting / limiting time in game because of the prevalent game play at the moment. I think it is on a slope that cannot be reversed as it is an attitude thing and it is not good for the future.
FESS,
I don't think it's as bad as people like to make out. There are still fights to be had. There are just lots of complainers who think they can shame people into fighting more to their liking or goad them into making that "one more fatal turn" as you so aptly describe.
You're a good sport and I will always be happy to DA you -- same planes, different planes, starting alt disadvantage, whatever. Just let me know and I'll be happy to do some fights with you. I know at the core you're not about chest thumping, you're about having fun, and those are people I like to fly with/against.
Hope to see you again soon.
<S>
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Sometimes I like to furball in suicidal odds. Other times I like to pretend that I'm a fighter pilot in WW2 and don't want to die. I'll still fight, but I wont always just throw my 'life' away pointlessly every single sortie.
Why put ourselves in a situation that limits our choices based on some age old stigmas about playing styles? Try a little of everything an mix it up.
If I'm not having fun the real problem is not other players, it's me. It's a sandbox game. If I don't enjoy playing it then I'm doing something wrong or it's simply not the game for me. Trying to control what kind of sandcastle the other kids build has never and will never work.
This. 100% this.
Nothing more need be said. Might as well lock the thread now.
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Why dont you guys grab some beer, shut up, and kill eachother. :cheers:
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Other times I like to pretend that I'm a fighter pilot in WW2 and don't want to die.
I don't remember seeing you do that. Ever. I think you're making it up.
- oldman
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I'm almost certain there are few that get on here just to chat on 200. They don't want to fight, they want to talk. Not sure if it's against rules to call some people out by, so I won't. But the name that comes to mind most sounds a lot like, "I'll Race You."
Unlike you, I can do more than one thing at a time, including shooting you to pieces while typing. :ahand
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Why dont you guys grab some beer, shut up, and kill eachother. :cheers:
:aok :rofl
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Why dont you guys grab some beer, shut up, and kill eachother. :cheers:
NOW this thread should be over.
Also, there is no need for a Trainer to "ask for a lock" when it isn't even needed. These threads are the equivalent of five year olds fighting over who gets to play with their favorite Tonka truck in the sandbox.
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I avoid a fight by simply not logging in anymore. If everyone did that would the op be happier?
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again fugitive name one player that has quit because of how I play.
semp
...do you remember this post?
Quote from: guncrasher on Yesterday at 12:27:51 PM
fugitive when was the last time I dropped a fh? name one player that I chased away with my game play.
semp
You take things too literal, I was using you and your squad as an example. I know you have trouble hitting the ground with bombs! j/k :D
It is possible that you have chased away a player or two over the last year or so, just as it is possible I have as well.
The point is "we" ALL as players CAN make this game better for all of us. Some by not running at the first sign of a fight, others by detuning 200, some by not bailing from their bombers when a fighter comes into icon range.
It is up to the players to make the game more fun. If we don't people will just continue to leave and with out the influx of new players that STAY the population will continue to drop until it gets to a point that no body shows up to play.
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Ohhhh.... well, now you know. :)
It may have. Though I highly doubt it. Regardless. It definitely wasn't the encounter I was referring to.
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I avoid a fight by simply not logging in anymore. If everyone did that would the op be happier?
Maybe this made sense to you as you typed it, but it sure doesn't right now. :rolleyes:
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Maybe this made sense to you as you typed it, but it sure doesn't right now. :rolleyes:
Obviously sarcasm/irony/satire is lost on you as it makes perfect sense to me.
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But thats my point, if your running, vulching, hoing "that makes you laugh" is what is causing other players to cancel their subscriptions then you are part of the problem.
So please sir, present us with your supporting data. :P
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Obviously sarcasm/irony/satire is lost on you as it makes perfect sense to me.
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- oldman
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The point is "we" ALL as players CAN make this game better for all of us. Some by not running at the first sign of a fight, others by detuning 200, some by not bailing from their bombers when a fighter comes into icon range.
It is up to the players to make the game more fun. If we don't people will just continue to leave and with out the influx of new players that STAY the population will continue to drop until it gets to a point that no body shows up to play.
Little problem here. You don't know what will make the game better for ~everyone~. You especially do not have a grasp on what is "fun" for ~everyone~. See, I can comfortably say these things because, I'm pretty sure you're not an omnipresent all knowing universal force of nature... thingymajob. You're just a guy, or gal or (your choice I guess) whatever, spouting off your opinion as though it were fact... in your quest to make the game more fun for YOU.
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It may have. Though I highly doubt it. Regardless. It definitely wasn't the encounter I was referring to.
Ok, well... I was the pony who you fixa-chased a sector to to your death after killing one of two other ponies who had recently taken off on exactly the same night you said you did that. Only flaw in your side (to the best of my memory) is, I never fired at you. I fired at a 190 EARLIER.. maybe that's it. I dunno, maybe you were a little tipsy or something and aren't remembering quite right. Oh and, why is it when you fly yourself into trouble and die... the killers are coward or clown? :neener:
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To quote a line from THE GREAT SANTINI : "Let it go, Tumor--it just ain't worth it."
I think Semp said it well earlier. When we turn with airplanes that are better than ours in that regime and extend/reset when it is clear we are going to get clobbered if we don't...that's called "running" to a lot of these fools.
A ridiculous assertion.
They just want freebies. That they don't get them is all the more satisfying when I see the whining on 200 and the forums.
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To quote a line from THE GREAT SANTINI : "Let it go, Tumor--it just ain't worth it."
I think Semp said it well earlier. When we turn with airplanes that are better than ours in that regime and extend/reset when it is clear we are going to get clobbered if we don't...that's called "running" to a lot of these fools.
A ridiculous assertion.
They just want freebies. That they don't get them is all the more satisfying when I see the whining on 200 and the forums.
lol, I know V. It's just that... I enjoy watching ego-induced-tantrums SO much! :bolt:
I would add, the whine is a very (IMO) good reflection of today's insta-gratification bs you can't seem to get away from any more. I'd even say THAT likely has more to do with players leaving than anything else mentioned in this thread. Attention spans just aren't what they used to be. Eye candy is all too important, and oh golly... WORK at it? pffffft. :old:
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Ok, well... I was the pony who you fixa-chased a sector to to your death after killing one of two other ponies who had recently taken off on exactly the same night you said you did that. Only flaw in your side (to the best of my memory) is, I never fired at you. I fired at a 190 EARLIER.. maybe that's it. I dunno, maybe you were a little tipsy or something and aren't remembering quite right. Oh and, why is it when you fly yourself into trouble and die... the killers are coward or clown? :neener:
If you were then you completely fabricated about 3/4 of our version of the story.
I rarely drink. And when I do drink, it even more rare I drink enough to get even tipsy or drunk.
I wasnt complaining about the killers. Only about the runners. You didnt kill me. So....
You rarely see me even comment about fights. Win or lose one way or the other.
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I don't remember seeing you do that. Ever. I think you're making it up.
- oldman
Hey Oldman! I flew a P51-D in the MA one time, honestly
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i find it interesting that people will b**ch, moan and complain about game play but will do nothing to make it better. they refuse to change their tactics just to make it a little more fun for the other guy. they think that score is the end all to the game so when you go to the cartoon pearly gates, you can enter because you have enough "points". I find it even more interesting that there are 17 pages of complaint's, whines, and arguments. all it would take is a slight change in behavior, to make it fun for everyone. Yet everyone refuses to change, cause its their $14.95!
This game and these boards could be so much nicer, if people would stop letting their testosterone get the best of them and try to compromise a little.
Heres a thought, don't ho on the FIRST pass.... after that its fair game. or don't run until you've engaged and lost the advantage. and those of you who chase the runners, turn tail and give him a chance to get back into the fight with a little more E. just a couple of simple changes and everyone would be a lot happier.
I get to some of you its about emersion, I get to some of you its only a game and a distraction. I even get that some of you suck at it(like I do) but you want to get kills. look at my score, ive been playing about 10 years, I haven't even broken 1000 on fighter kills. so what!, its about fun. id rather die 10 times to a crappier player and make him like the game better, then to kill him once and leave a bad taste in his mouth about the game.
Maybe people should be less critical, and try to get along and make it better! stop the name calling and the anatomizations and start teaching each other, helping each other, and making it a better game! the happier the players, the more players you have.
how many have left the game cause their not happy? just something to think about.
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lol, I know V. It's just that... I enjoy watching ego-induced-tantrums SO much! :bolt:
I would add, the whine is a very (IMO) good reflection of today's insta-gratification bs you can't seem to get away from any more. I'd even say THAT likely has more to do with players leaving than anything else mentioned in this thread. Attention spans just aren't what they used to be. Eye candy is all too important, and oh golly... WORK at it? pffffft. :old:
Aren't you the guy who purposely ran all rook CV to get sunk even with other players asking you not to?
Not very sporting or good for player retention.
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i find it interesting that people will b**ch, moan and complain about game play but will do nothing to make it better. they refuse to change their tactics just to make it a little more fun for the other guy. they think that score is the end all to the game so when you go to the cartoon pearly gates, you can enter because you have enough "point". I find it even more interested that there are 17 pages of complaint's, whines, and arguments. all it would take is a slight change in behavior, to make it fun for everyone. everyone refuses to change, cause its their $14.95!
this game and these boards could be so much nicer, if people would stop letting their testosterone get the best of them and try to compromise a little.
heres a thought, don't ho on the FIRST pass.... after that its fair game. or don't run until you've engaged and lost the advantage. and those of you who chase the runners, turn tail and give him a chance to get back into the fight with a little more E. just a couple of simple changes and everyone would be a lot happier.
I get to some of you its about emersion, I get to some of you its only a game and a distraction. I even get that some of you suck at it(like I do) but you want to get kills. look at my score, ive been playing about 10 years, I haven't even broken 1000 on fighter kills. so what!, its about fun. id rather die 10 times to a crappier player and make him like the game better, then to kill him once and leave a bad taste in his mouth about the game.
Maybe people should be less critical, and try to get along and make it better! stop the name calling and the anatomizations and start teaching each other, helping each other, and making it a better game! the happier the players, the more players you have.
how many have left the game cause their not happy? just something to think about.
I like your thinking. Just the other week me and an ex squad mate got into it. We did not know for sure who was who...if you get what I mean. But I was a 51 all night long and he was a Spit 9 all night long. Same area same targets. not hard to work out.
So we went at it. lol I turned and turned and I swear I hit him enough but alas eventually he got me.
Fact is it was a fun fight and I lost. But I had a good time.
POINT IN QUESTION - it took BOTH of us to create that moment. Actually, more to the point it took me, in my pony to make that moment. Because I chose to get down and dirty with a Spit 9. I know the way to beat him is to use speed. he is slow. I had fun turning with him.....I lost....but I DO SWEAR if the 50 cals on the 51 were better I would have got him :p
Fun fight. BUT - it was because we both knew each other and there was never going to be some ego crap after.
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Notice the specific people sidestepping it and pretending its not here, lol
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So please sir, present us with your supporting data. :P
I don't keep records so hard facts are a bit tough to come by. I do however know of many people who have quit the game due to the lack of fights, HOin, and general "bullying" over 200. It comes with being here for years and actually being friends with other players.
Little problem here. You don't know what will make the game better for ~everyone~. You especially do not have a grasp on what is "fun" for ~everyone~. See, I can comfortably say these things because, I'm pretty sure you're not an omnipresent all knowing universal force of nature... thingymajob. You're just a guy, or gal or (your choice I guess) whatever, spouting off your opinion as though it were fact... in your quest to make the game more fun for YOU.
Don't have to be an omnipresence, simple logic will suffice. I know that may be a bit over your head but he goes. Last tour a player not capturing a base in a goon ranked in the 1300's. One year before the same player is ranked in the 1700's. That means there were 400 less players to tie for last place. This means either 400 players are now flying goons and getting through at least once, or that there are less people playing. Even if we split evenly that is 200 people less in the game.
Now, as to why they are leaving, I think we can be pretty sure it's not because they are having a blast! HTC has some exit data Im sure, but he isn't going to share and rightfully so. I do know that those friends I used to play with and have left told me why they did. There list runs the gambit of those complains we see her time after time..... runners, ack huggers, bailers, HOers and other "lame" game play.
To quote a line from THE GREAT SANTINI : "Let it go, Tumor--it just ain't worth it."
I think Semp said it well earlier. When we turn with airplanes that are better than ours in that regime and extend/reset when it is clear we are going to get clobbered if we don't...that's called "running" to a lot of these fools.
A ridiculous assertion.
They just want freebies. That they don't get them is all the more satisfying when I see the whining on 200 and the forums.
No I think players just want other players to play. If your in a pony and lose your advantage you don't need to run to ack or extend beyond icon range. Where talking players who avoid any action at all cost here, not those using their planes to their advantage. Running off the map so people cant shoot you isnt using your plane to your advantage, it's gaming the game. Bailing your buff before a fighter gets into icon range so you don't have to fight nor give a free proxy isn't using your plane to its advantages, it is gameing the game again.
i find it interesting that people will b**ch, moan and complain about game play but will do nothing to make it better. they refuse to change their tactics just to make it a little more fun for the other guy. they think that score is the end all to the game so when you go to the cartoon pearly gates, you can enter because you have enough "points". I find it even more interesting that there are 17 pages of complaint's, whines, and arguments. all it would take is a slight change in behavior, to make it fun for everyone. Yet everyone refuses to change, cause its their $14.95!
This game and these boards could be so much nicer, if people would stop letting their testosterone get the best of them and try to compromise a little.
Heres a thought, don't ho on the FIRST pass.... after that its fair game. or don't run until you've engaged and lost the advantage. and those of you who chase the runners, turn tail and give him a chance to get back into the fight with a little more E. just a couple of simple changes and everyone would be a lot happier.
I get to some of you its about emersion, I get to some of you its only a game and a distraction. I even get that some of you suck at it(like I do) but you want to get kills. look at my score, ive been playing about 10 years, I haven't even broken 1000 on fighter kills. so what!, its about fun. id rather die 10 times to a crappier player and make him like the game better, then to kill him once and leave a bad taste in his mouth about the game.
Maybe people should be less critical, and try to get along and make it better! stop the name calling and the anatomizations and start teaching each other, helping each other, and making it a better game! the happier the players, the more players you have.
how many have left the game cause their not happy? just something to think about.
Exactly, it's not like anyone is looking for a life style change here, just a few tweaks to make the game more fun for everyone.
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Heres a thought, don't ho on the FIRST pass.... after that its fair game. or don't run until you've engaged and lost the advantage. and those of you who chase the runners, turn tail and give him a chance to get back into the fight with a little more E. just a couple of simple changes and everyone would be a lot happier.
I routinely give up alt & e advantage to motivate reluctant players to engage in a fight. In my experience, if they're avoiding a fight in the first place, nothing you do is going to change that. They might try a HO pass, then back to ack they go. They either have heart or they don't.
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I was seriously messed up the other night. Was drinking for hours. Note: it's better to drink and fly AH than be drunk driving. I haven't drank like that in a long time, buts a long weekend ;). I will say my disturbing Ego got the best of me. Wasn't having a particularly good night in the skies either. Sometimes I have to release my anger and frustration on a silly game so I don't take it out on the important things.
Sometimes I'm a nice guy, sometimes I'm a clown dickass. I love being competitive in this game, and I fly extremely aggressively. If I flew easy planes and killed everyone all the time, and never died, It wouldn't be fun for anyone, nor would I allow them the chance to ever shoot me down. Then that would limit me getting angry, but you wouldn't have anyone to laugh at when I got mad. I'd prolly leave because the lack of competition is more important to me than if the game or people make me angry. Getting a good score in easy planes isnt challenging anymore for me. If I get top 5 fighters flying a P51B, thats success for me. If I get angry, that just means I have more practice to achieve in the harder planes. If you never challenge yourself, you will never get better. If you never learn different styles of flying, you will never get as many kills. I am attempting to get better at all the styles and all of the planes, so I think people for the most part other people enjoy fighting me, or getting the opportunity to gang me when ever they get a chance. At least they have a chance to fight me most of the time.
If I'm a dickass, I'll call out the people running for me 1v1 or attempt to laugh at them over 200 when they have alt and E and don't even engage me anymore after 2 overshoots. It just cracks me up. Instead of winning fights with the advantage, theyed rather hit the X button and fly straight. I just don't really understand it sometimes.
It's okay, you can make fun of me nrshida, for my ignoramous the other night at 5am. Hehehe my brain was on the floor.
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Heyyy!!
I was seriously messed up the other night. Was drinking for hours. Note: it's better to drink and fly AH than be drunk driving. I haven't drank like that in a long time, buts a long weekend ;). I will say my disturbing Ego got the best of me. Wasn't having a particularly good night in the skies either. Sometimes I have to release my anger and frustration on a silly game so I don't take it out on the important things.
Sometimes I'm a nice guy, sometimes I'm a clown dickass. I love being competitive in this game, and I fly extremely aggressively. If I flew easy planes and killed everyone all the time, and never died, It wouldn't be fun for anyone, nor would I allow them the chance to ever shoot me down. Then that would limit me getting angry, but you wouldn't have anyone to laugh at when I got mad. I'd prolly leave because the lack of competition is more important to me than if the game or people make me angry. Getting a good score in easy planes isnt challenging anymore for me. If I get top 5 fighters flying a P51B, thats success for me. If I get angry, that just means I have more practice to achieve in the harder planes. If you never challenge yourself, you will never get better. If you never learn different styles of flying, you will never get as many kills. I am attempting to get better at all the styles and all of the planes, so I think people for the most part other people enjoy fighting me, or getting the opportunity to gang me when ever they get a chance. At least they have a chance to fight me most of the time.
If I'm a dickass, I'll call out the people running for me 1v1 or attempt to laugh at them over 200 when they have alt and E and don't even engage me anymore after 2 overshoots. It just cracks me up. Instead of winning fights with the advantage, theyed rather hit the X button and fly straight. I just don't really understand it sometimes.
It's okay, you can make fun of me nrshida, for my ignoramous the other night at 5am. Hehehe my brain was on the floor.
Dickass. I like that.
A good perspective. Yet a majority of the people I know will die in most fights and have adapted. Say settled in their skill set. Not so much they are not challenging themselves but doing what they enjoy, winning. Sometimes winning regresses to running home, or staying inside away from the dying. It is all referenced to the individuals ability to have fun. Doesnt mean I cant be a dickass tho, I get upset when my fish gets away. :old:
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Aren't you the guy who purposely ran all rook CV to get sunk even with other players asking you not to?
Not very sporting or good for player retention.
Well, if you got there late, got half the story, made up what I was thinking and why I was doing it, then come here to the boards with bias already in place... yes icey, that's exactly what happened.
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I don't keep records.
You could have stopped right there. Look, it's obvious you aren't going to offer anything other than opinionated rhetoric to support your claims. I do understand, but what you're saying would only work out in a game-world where you were Supreme Dictator in Charge. Look, maybe I can offer an analogy that will help... no malice here, just think about it: People who think like YOU do (RL), cause people who think in ways "other than you do" to establish basic "rights", so people like you can't force your "way" onto "them". In OUR case though... we have a supreme ruling head honcho in-charge King who's ~far better informed that you our I~ and makes all the decisions regarding how the game is played. Now from "MY" POV, having been here "mostly" since 99 or 2000 or whenever, HO's have been whined about, Runners have been whined about, Lame <insert whatever you want> has been whined about, and we are where we are.
I would GUESS that the decline in numbers has more to do with shifting societal interests regarding online gaming, than your local AH HO/Runner/etc. There are a multitude of things ~I~ would love to see HTC do that would massively increase my interest in AH. The strategic side in ~my~ world, is the fun side. It's also severely lacking, regarding the possibilities. This means, sadly, if I'm hauling bombs to conduct a precision strike somewhere and you show up looking for a fight... tough doody, I have things to do that do not include you. But, I don't whine about it (too much), and I certainly do not try and have MY way forced upon YOU. If HTC bungs up what I consider fun, bye! But this would be directly contrary to what YOU are proposing. See how that works? See, you WIN, but me and a number of MY friends would probably depart, so everyone loses. So far, we still have a fairly good balance, as evidenced by HTC's decisions on game-play over the last what... 17 years?
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You could have stopped right there. Look, it's obvious you aren't going to offer anything other than opinionated rhetoric to support your claims. I do understand, but what you're saying would only work out in a game-world where you were Supreme Dictator in Charge. Look, maybe I can offer an analogy that will help... no malice here, just think about it: People who think like YOU do (RL), cause people who think in ways "other than you do" to establish basic "rights", so people like you can't force your "way" onto "them". In OUR case though... we have a supreme ruling head honcho in-charge King who's ~far better informed that you our I~ and makes all the decisions regarding how the game is played. Now from "MY" POV, having been here "mostly" since 99 or 2000 or whenever, HO's have been whined about, Runners have been whined about, Lame <insert whatever you want> has been whined about, and we are where we are.
I would GUESS that the decline in numbers has more to do with shifting societal interests regarding online gaming, than your local AH HO/Runner/etc. There are a multitude of things ~I~ would love to see HTC do that would massively increase my interest in AH. The strategic side in ~my~ world, is the fun side. It's also severely lacking, regarding the possibilities. This means, sadly, if I'm hauling bombs to conduct a precision strike somewhere and you show up looking for a fight... tough doody, I have things to do that do not include you. But, I don't whine about it (too much), and I certainly do not try and have MY way forced upon YOU. If HTC bungs up what I consider fun, bye! But this would be directly contrary to what YOU are proposing. See how that works? See, you WIN, but me and a number of MY friends would probably depart, so everyone loses. So far, we still have a fairly good balance, as evidenced by HTC's decisions on game-play over the last what... 17 years?
Maybe you should read a bit farther into the post than stopping at the first line.
What Im suggesting has nothing to do with any changes made by HTC, they are players making small changes in how they play. Example, your making your "precision strike" and I dive in on you. You have a choice, dump the bombs and fight, or try to continue on your mission. Dumping the ords would be my choice from either side because it would be a fight..... which is more fun to me. But say you choose to continue on to you target. I chase you. You make your run and then what? Do you just keep running hoping I get bored and stop looking for a fight from you or do you come around and fight it out? From the point of "good game play" I would hope you would turn back and fight it out. These are the type of changes I'm looking for. Strategically Im looking to stop your precision run as well as the hope I get into a fight.
I have been here since Oct 03 and yes there were complaints about HOs and running back then. Back then all of us AW guys always fired on a HO. It wasn't a dangerous move as the hit percentage was so small, so why not. But here in AH how ever a good aim can damage your plane very well. I remember the "shaming" of everyone who fired on a HO. The AHers were all over us new guys. Yes it did happen, but was heavily frowned on. Today it is the norm, not a once in a while thing. Nor do we see the "shaming" on 200 for the HOs like we use to, why? because most people HO now as their first line of attack, it is their "go to" move. They aren't going to complain about others as it is their move too.
Im not asking HTC to make any changes, heck I even like the graphics we have now. All I'd like to see is players who, while having the fun they want, help out others have fun too by not doing the lame crap that gets people aggravated and quit the game.
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Notice the specific people sidestepping it and pretending its not here, lol
I think they're presently engaged in an internet argument and can't hear us. Different frequency. We've all been there right? :old:
It's okay, you can make fun of me nrshida
Never. The AoM are a bunch of uneducated, hairy, abrasive, cowboy hat-wearing, gunslinging, whisky-drinking, rough-arsed American Football player types*. And one would be hard-pressed to find a group of players who have carried the torch of promoting skilful dogfighting unerringly for so long.
I salute you.
* Yes indeed, I have quite a visual imagination
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To quote a line from THE GREAT SANTINI : "Let it go, Tumor--it just ain't worth it."
I think Semp said it well earlier. When we turn with airplanes that are better than ours in that regime and extend/reset when it is clear we are going to get clobbered if we don't...that's called "running" to a lot of these fools.
A ridiculous assertion.
They just want freebies. That they don't get them is all the more satisfying when I see the whining on 200 and the forums.
Really? D9's turn better then ponies now?
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Well, if you got there late, got half the story, made up what I was thinking and why I was doing it, then come here to the boards with bias already in place... yes icey, that's exactly what happened.
LMAO. Dont know exactly what happened. But whatever it is based on the way I see YOU tell your side of events.
Im far more likely to believe just about anyone elses version of a story...ANY story.
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Greatness.
Notice the specific people sidestepping it and pretending its not here, lol
Actually we are ignoring it because it wasn't very funny. Two points for effort, though.
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Really? D9's turn better then ponies now?
Did I say that? Looks like someone is having a moment... :O
(But since you broached the subject, the Dora is more than a match for the Pony. Superior in most areas. Near-to-par in the rest.)
Carry on.
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Never. The AoM are a bunch of uneducated, hairy, abrasive, cowboy hat-wearing, gunslinging, whisky-drinking, rough-arsed American Football player types*. And one would be hard-pressed to find a group of players who have carried the torch of promoting skilful dogfighting unerringly for so long.
I salute you.
That hits the nail right on the head. Its nice that we fit in somewhere hahaha.
That being said, Batfink is a true God.
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I don't keep records so hard facts are a bit tough to come by. I do however know of many people who have quit the game due to the lack of fights, HOin, and general "bullying" over 200. It comes with being here for years and actually being friends with other players.
Don't have to be an omnipresence, simple logic will suffice. I know that may be a bit over your head but he goes. Last tour a player not capturing a base in a goon ranked in the 1300's. One year before the same player is ranked in the 1700's. That means there were 400 less players to tie for last place. This means either 400 players are now flying goons and getting through at least once, or that there are less people playing. Even if we split evenly that is 200 people less in the game.
Now, as to why they are leaving, I think we can be pretty sure it's not because they are having a blast! HTC has some exit data Im sure, but he isn't going to share and rightfully so. I do know that those friends I used to play with and have left told me why they did. There list runs the gambit of those complains we see her time after time..... runners, ack huggers, bailers, HOers and other "lame" game play.
No I think players just want other players to play. If your in a pony and lose your advantage you don't need to run to ack or extend beyond icon range. Where talking players who avoid any action at all cost here, not those using their planes to their advantage. Running off the map so people cant shoot you isnt using your plane to your advantage, it's gaming the game. Bailing your buff before a fighter gets into icon range so you don't have to fight nor give a free proxy isn't using your plane to its advantages, it is gameing the game again.
Exactly, it's not like anyone is looking for a life style change here, just a few tweaks to make the game more fun for everyone.
by your same logic fugitive a lot of players have quit and lots may not have joined due to your never ending whining about how the game should be played. and how the game is going down the toilet.
semp
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by your same logic fugitive a lot of players have quit and lots may not have joined due to your never ending whining about how the game should be played. and how the game is going down the toilet.
semp
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I think Semp said it well earlier. When we turn with airplanes that are better than ours in that regime and extend/reset when it is clear we are going to get clobbered if we don't...that's called "running" to a lot of these fools.
A ridiculous assertion.
Though your words don't quite make sense, I think I understand what you meant to type.
If by 'we' you mean Tumor & yourself, then yes, you're probably right on the money. If by 'we' you mean anyone flying your pick-wagons of choice, there are many good sticks in the game that consistently rack up victories in such planes, fighting against superior-turning aircraft. And that's without 10K of alt advantage, extending out of icon range between HO passes, or running to ack/friendlies.
I understand the concept of flying according to a plane's strengths. The problem with your approach is that you never learn what a given plane is capable of because you never fly it outside your comfort zone. The only strength you're even aware of is speed, and so it's the only strength you ever exploit.
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I understand the concept of flying according to a plane's strengths. The problem with your approach is that you never learn what a given plane is capable of because you never fly it outside your comfort zone.
Says who?
I get better every tour. My envelope of capability is still expanding. I am taking on planes in close-in turning engagements more and more as I learn angles and gunnery.
But that doesn't mean I am gonna' let some clown saddle up on my six if I can avoid it, nor is there a thing wrong with extending to reset the fight. I will do it as needed. Sometimes I press too long or too hard and boom.
Eh. So what? Planes, fuel, and bullets unlimited for fifteen bucks a month.
P.S.-- I am a Dora driver by nature. I only fly the Mustang because it is a difficult airplane to fly well. It goes fast. Everthting else about it is ho-hum.
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Actually we are ignoring it because it wasn't very funny.
Got one :rofl :banana: :rock
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Though your words don't quite make sense, I think I understand what you meant to type.
If by 'we' you mean Tumor & yourself, then yes, you're probably right on the money. If by 'we' you mean anyone flying your pick-wagons of choice, there are many good sticks in the game that consistently rack up victories in such planes, fighting against superior-turning aircraft. And that's without 10K of alt advantage, extending out of icon range between HO passes, or running to ack/friendlies.
I understand the concept of flying according to a plane's strengths. The problem with your approach is that you never learn what a given plane is capable of because you never fly it outside your comfort zone. The only strength you're even aware of is speed, and so it's the only strength you ever exploit.
So again... "we" do something you don't like, in your opinion keeps us from getting better, and definitely denies you a kill shot... so we should do it your way because it's better for you?
Hey thanks for playin but, how 'bout NO. :)
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All I'd like to see is players who, while having the fun they want, help out others have fun too by not doing the lame crap that gets people aggravated and quit the game.
I would have much more fun if you would stick to flying around low slow straight and level so I can kill you. That's all I'm asking you to do. TONS of people would have more fun.
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LMAO. Dont know exactly what happened. But whatever it is based on the way I see YOU tell your side of events.
Im far more likely to believe just about anyone elses version of a story...ANY story.
I'm sorry... next time I'll make one up where at the end, you win, get the girl and live happily ever after. Until you find out she's a he, then you call him a cowardly transgender clown and stomp off to your happy place. :cheers:
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i find it interesting that people will b**ch, moan and complain about game play but will do nothing to make it better. they refuse to change their tactics just to make it a little more fun for the other guy. they think that score is the end all to the game so when you go to the cartoon pearly gates, you can enter because you have enough "points". I find it even more interesting that there are 17 pages of complaint's, whines, and arguments. all it would take is a slight change in behavior, to make it fun for everyone. Yet everyone refuses to change, cause its their $14.95!
This game and these boards could be so much nicer, if people would stop letting their testosterone get the best of them and try to compromise a little.
Heres a thought, don't ho on the FIRST pass.... after that its fair game. or don't run until you've engaged and lost the advantage. and those of you who chase the runners, turn tail and give him a chance to get back into the fight with a little more E. just a couple of simple changes and everyone would be a lot happier.
I get to some of you its about emersion, I get to some of you its only a game and a distraction. I even get that some of you suck at it(like I do) but you want to get kills. look at my score, ive been playing about 10 years, I haven't even broken 1000 on fighter kills. so what!, its about fun. id rather die 10 times to a crappier player and make him like the game better, then to kill him once and leave a bad taste in his mouth about the game.
Maybe people should be less critical, and try to get along and make it better! stop the name calling and the anatomizations and start teaching each other, helping each other, and making it a better game! the happier the players, the more players you have.
how many have left the game cause their not happy? just something to think about.
Based on your history, I find this interesting.
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So again... "we" do something you don't like, in your opinion keeps us from getting better, and definitely denies you a kill shot... so we should do it your way because it's better for you?
Hey thanks for playin but, how 'bout NO. :)
A) It's not my opinion, it's fact. Flying 'high & safe' absolutely, positively retards your development as an (AH) pilot. That's just common sense.
B) You're not denying me anything. I'd much rather die fighting someone who gives a good fight back than waste my time climbing up to 25K for an easy kill.
C) You really don't get it, do you? Everything I and others have suggested is better for YOU. And I'd absolutely LOVE it if you beat the pants off me in a fierce, edge-of-the-seat 1-1. What's better for me - and the game as a whole - is more players who provide a challenge. There's so much more fun and satisfaction in losing a great fight than winning an easy kill. Not that you'll ever know.
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"It is not a toomah!"
Arnold Schwarzenegger, Kindergarten Cop
I've never... EVER, heard that before. So dang funny! A real knee slapper! WOohoo :x :banana: :neener:
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A) It's not my opinion, it's fact. Flying 'high & safe' absolutely, positively retards your development as an (AH) pilot. That's just common sense.
B) You're not denying me anything. I'd much rather die fighting someone who gives a good fight back than waste my time climbing up to 25K for [a...] kill.
High alt fights are like pigs in outer space. Boring. And sooner or later the fight goes downhill.
"We" are usually around 10K. If you think that's "high and safe" well... :rofl But nice try.
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A) It's not my opinion, it's fact. Flying 'high & safe' absolutely, positively retards your development as an (AH) pilot. That's just common sense.
B) You're not denying me anything. I'd much rather die fighting someone who gives a good fight back than waste my time climbing up to 25K for an easy kill.
C) You really don't get it, do you? Everything I and others have suggested is better for YOU. And I'd absolutely LOVE it if you beat the pants off me in a fierce, edge-of-the-seat 1-1. What's better for me - and the game as a whole - is more players who provide a challenge. There's so much more fun and satisfaction in losing a great fight than winning an easy kill. Not that you'll ever know.
A) So you assume to know what I've done and not done 100% of the time since 1989 in various "flight sims".... and come up with "Facts" that I "should" apply to myself to get better. All while assuming I "care" what your opinions, facts and ideas are, beyond trying to force them on me? You're a regular "Carnac the Magnificent".
B) Except a kill shot, or a fight... or whatever it is you think I should be doing. Your idea, not mine.
C) Yes I do "Get it". The only thing not getting got, is the fact that I will not now or ever abide by YOUR demands in this or any other game. That's all there is to get.
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I'm sorry... next time I'll make one up where at the end, you win, get the girl and live happily ever after. Until you find out she's a he, then you call him a cowardly transgender clown and stomp off to your happy place. :cheers:
I'd be happy if you just told one that was accurate to the events as they happened. Other then my getting killed. Yours isnt even remotely close and so far off reality. Im willing to state I think you made the entire encounter up.
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by your same logic fugitive a lot of players have quit and lots may not have joined due to your never ending whining about how the game should be played. and how the game is going down the toilet.
semp
fugitive pm'd just the other night to whine about my 'stick stirring' and I need to learn how to fly. The reality was I was flying straight and level, I got a late 6 call but that was fine because he couldn't hit a barn door (even with 8 50's in his jug-M). He overshot, underestimated my E (I think he blew a lot of E trying to aim), went vertical and became dora fodder.
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High alt fights are like pigs in outer space. Boring. And sooner or later the fight goes downhill.
"We" are usually around 10K. If you think that's "high and safe" well... :rofl But nice try.
You're either high-alt, in a horde, or hugging ack. Better?
And pro tip: You'll know I'm addressing you when I quote you in my post. Why you feel it's necessary to speak for Tumor I'm not sure. Are you his lawyer, his Dad, or his girlfriend?
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Whatever dude. It sounds like you're intent on letting the world know that after over 25 years of playing flight sims you still suck.
You're not one to talk, sweet cheeks.
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You're not one to talk, sweet cheeks.
We can DA anytime you like.
<crickets... >
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We can DA anytime you like.
<crickets... >
I thought you said you were done with this discussion. Clearly not a man of your word and thus not to be trusted. But I pointed that out already. Thanks for proving my point.
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That's what I thought.
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That's what I thought.
I can kill you and your vaunted 0.8:1 KD ratio in the MA just fine--like the last time we crossed paths.
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Guess that is a wordy "no"?
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I can kill you and your vaunted 0.8:1 KD ratio in the MA just fine--like the last time we crossed paths.
I don't remember you ever killing me, but if you did, it certainly wasn't 1-1, regardless of any alt/e advantage you might have had.
The only reason I remember your name, to be frank, is because you're constantly running your trap on 200.
You ever want to put your money where your mouth is, look me up. Until then, keep on doing what you do best.
Talking.
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Really? D9's turn better then ponies now?
Well not really, but they go jerkityjerkjerk WAAAAAY better. :)
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We can DA anytime you like.
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THERE IT IS!! Man, finally! I win V! :devil
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I don't remember you ever killing me, but if you did, it certainly wasn't 1-1, regardless of any alt/e advantage you might have had.
The only reason I remember your name, to be frank, is because you're constantly running your trap on 200.
You ever want to put your money where your mouth is, look me up. Until then, keep on doing what you do best.
Talking.
I have! :) And... I bet your not Frank, not really. :x
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Well not really, but they go jerkityjerkjerk WAAAAAY better. :)
That's sure true.
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Got one :rofl :banana: :rock
Had I realized it was you posting it I might have given it a chuckle. :salute
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by your same logic fugitive a lot of players have quit and lots may not have joined due to your never ending whining about how the game should be played. and how the game is going down the toilet.
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It's not whining, its suggesting. Why are you continually trying to start a BBS war? As for the game going down hill.... close to 1000 players on Saturday nights prime time a number of years ago, to maybe 200 for the same time last Saturday. Yup, games going like gang busters!
fugitive pm'd just the other night to whine about my 'stick stirring' and I need to learn how to fly. The reality was I was flying straight and level, I got a late 6 call but that was fine because he couldn't hit a barn door (even with 8 50's in his jug-M). He overshot, underestimated my E (I think he blew a lot of E trying to aim), went vertical and became dora fodder.
Ahhhh no mention of me having to force an over shoot of Waystin in a 262 before you got your chance to climb up my butt?
Yup I missed a lot. Tough to hit a D9 flopping around like a fish out of water. Great evasive's there :rolleyes:
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Yup I missed a lot. Tough to hit a D9 flopping around like a fish out of water. Great evasive's there :rolleyes:
cept I wasn't, I didn't even know you were coming. Funny you're the only one to complain and plenty of others had no trouble shooting me down.
The only consistent factor in your complaints... is you.
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The event that took place in no way was even close to the fabrication you put forth. I doubt Fearless or Tritip would concur as they werent even part of the initial encounter. Why dont you ask if either of them have a film of the event and put it up for everyone to see or put yours up if you have it. I dont as I didnt deem it worthy of saving just as i do most of my flights.
YOU ask'em. I know what happened. It's not even bad... you just let your lust for "the fight" get you into a serious disadvantage and got killed (although "the fight" is consistently keeping your aircraft in a superior vertical position). See, my ride can't compete with that, so I keep it in a Superior horizontal position. We're not that different, cept I typically do not HO. No big deal man, it's over.
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Hey Man...why all the hate? V makes 15000 a month bruh...back off his lawn. (Lmao!!!)
Hey, I was making more than that when I quit my job. It's not unheard of ya know.
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Hey Man...why all the hate? V makes 15000 a month bruh...back off his lawn. (Lmao!!!)
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It's not whining, its suggesting. Why are you continually trying to start a BBS war? As for the game going down hill.... close to 1000 players on Saturday nights prime time a number of years ago, to maybe 200 for the same time last Saturday. Yup, games going like gang busters!
there was over 250 players saturday when I logged. during fso there's over 500 in both fso and ma. and I am also suggesting that your constant whining is driving players away.
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Hey, I was making more than that when I quit my job. It's not unheard of ya know.
Hick-up and Burned-mash are just trolls. Don't feed them.
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I think it was 2. I'm almost sure he posted proof of 2. And I got ya once... awhile back, 192 or 3 maybe. AND, you let OddCaf and Lefty get ya as well... ick. I mean, c'mon man. :neener:
:rofl :aok
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Tumor and Vraciu, both you are not helping your reputation here to anyone capable of sight. Reading what you have been posting really is head shake, face palm inducing bile from start to finish. AcesHigh is really the type of game that would benefit greatly if your collective keyboards or hands were hit with a hammer. :salute
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Tumor and Vraciu, both you are not helping your reputation here to anyone capable of sight. Reading what you have been posting really is head shake, face palm inducing bile from start to finish. AcesHigh is really the type of game that would benefit greatly if your collective keyboards or hands were hit with a hammer. :salute
Oh no. My pixel reputation! Whatever shall I do? /sarc
Spare me.
Personally, I could not possibly care less what a bunch of anonymous, ankle biting, net troll keyboard warriors think of me. That you are siding with them simply shows you have an agenda bias. So be it.
I am here to have fun. I suggest the rest of you do the same.
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Vraciu I can be swayed by well thought out and impressive discussion. You both have failed to provide such, dipping into the stats pages shows the desperation you are in while dogpiling Fishbait. Why don't you spare us all and borrow my hammer, I'll even let you keep it?
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Vraciu I can be swayed by well thought out and impressive discussion. You both have failed to provide such, dipping into the stats pages shows the desperation you are in while dogpiling Fishbait. Why don't you spare us all and borrow my hammer, I'll even let you keep it?
(The dogpile has been on Tumor, not Fishbait.)
Fishbait started this with his lies and innuendo. You failed to see WHY I dipped into the stats page. Desperation? No. It was a direct rebuttal.
(People can call you a liar even when you show them the facts, apparently, and nobody gets riled up over that. Yet these people are the "gatekeepers" of my "reputation"? SMH.)
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You dipped into it for a moment of chest thumping self satisfaction in an attempt to impress us who are reading, nothing more.
There should have been a film attached showing us how you got him on your stats page and in the manner of which you described, that would prove your "facts".
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You dipped into it for a moment of chest thumping self satisfaction and to attempt to impress us reading, nothing more.
There should have been a film attached showing us how you got him on your stats page and in the manner of which you described, that would prove you "facts".
No. He classlessly maligned a pilot who is better than he. When I pointed it out he became indignant. I then explained that I knew so firsthand which he denied. He denied it happened. Hello? Hello? I provided the proof.
And if I see him again the outcome will be identical, DA, MA, or otherwise.
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No. He denied it happened. I provided the proof.
And if I see him again the outcome will be identical, DA, MA, or otherwise.
I am pleased to see that you are accepting of Fishbait DAing you, but I am at a loss to where you provided the film of said encounter.
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I am pleased to see that you are accepting of Fishbait DAing you, but I am at a loss to where you provided the film of said encounter.
Posting film of a seal clubbing is undignified. My ego doesn't need that much (little) stroking.
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Posting film of a seal clubbing is undignified. My ego doesn't need that much (little) stroking.
Failure to provide proof + 2nd chest thump = questionable Vraciu credibility
You picked him, you dived down from your perch and picked him while he was fighting someone else didn't you. There wasn't a 1v1 at all was there. You can admit it now, because you have utterly failed simplest of credibility tests.
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Failure to provide proof + 2nd chest thump = questionable Vraciu credibility
You picked him, you dived down from your perch and picked him while he was fighting someone else didn't you. There wasn't a 1v1 at all was there. You can admit it now, because you have utterly failed simplest of credibility tests.
Whatever you say. :rolleyes:
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I love stats in AH. I wish we could have a battle contest to see who could acheive the highest fighter score next tour. Then we could prove who's style is better in the MA. Or we could have a contest in 1 plane to see who could gain the highest K/D to 100 kills. That would show whos flying style is the most successful in AH. Then we could really put into perspective the idea of realistic flying and skills in the MA.
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I love stats in AH. I wish we could have a battle contest to see who could acheive the highest fighter score next tour. Then we could prove who's style is better in the MA. Or we could have a contest in 1 plane to see who could gain the highest K/D to 100 kills. That would show whos flying style is the most successful in AH. Then we could really put into perspective the idea of realistic flying and skills in the MA.
I wish we could drive/funnel the fights some. More bases than players doesn't make sense to me.
Interesting idea, V.
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Based on your history, I find this interesting.
how so? please elaborate?
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how so? please elaborate?
You use to advocate for a certain group of people doing exactly what you are saying we don't need. Your memory can't be that bad.
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1) Because I rarely get to fight B Pony drivers.
Now I remember you!!! :rofl I have to say, your version of the events is creative.
I also remember almost exactly the same situation occurring when I was Fate. In both instances, I gave up alt & e partly purposefully. Partly out of desperation to get you to crawl your cowardly behind out of your ack, and partly to help even the odds a bit in the hope you'd fight. In both cases you refused to fight, hugging your ack like a long lost lover. In both cases you bragged about 'winning' when in fact it was your base ack - and ack alone - that hit me. In both cases you swore up & down to the contrary. The only reason I remember you now is because you went on a tirade on 200 trying to impress everyone with your 'mad skillz' while claiming victory... just like you're doing now.
It's not every day you meet a pathological liar, though I have met a handful over the course of my life, and you fit the mold perfectly. Why someone would expend so much energy making up crap about a video game is beyond me. Maybe that's your way of coping with the stress of pulling down 15K / month :rofl
Anyone who's actually fought me or fought with me knows you're full of it. I routinely salute - in sincere appreciation - those who better me in this game. Those who best me are my teachers. Those who best me on a regular basis are - by & large - my friends here (except Dolby. He's just mean :devil). You, sir (if you can call a 12-year-old sir), are neither. So go ahead & spend the next 2 pages making more stuff up. You have absolutely no idea how transparent your fabrications are.
Why am I not surprised you two are buddies? Tumor simulates WWII combat by targeting AFK pilots while you simulate the war effort with your own homegrown propaganda campaign :rofl. Maybe you'll get lucky in AH3... They might add pamphlets to the payload options. That way you could carpet the entire knit kingdom with fliers that say "I shot down Fishbait".
Good luck in life, kid. You're going to need it.
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You use to advocate for a certain group of people doing exactly what you are saying we don't need. Your memory can't be that bad.
I never advocated it.... those were their tactics, not mine. so whats that got to do with this conversation?
let it go, and lets make the game better! dredging up something like that, doesn't help anything no matter how you look at it.
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Now I remember you!!! :rofl I have to say, your version of the events is creative.
I also remember almost exactly the same situation occurring when I was Fate. In both instances, I gave up alt & e partly purposefully. Partly out of desperation to get you to crawl your cowardly behind out of your ack, and partly to help even the odds a bit in the hope you'd fight. In both cases you refused to fight, hugging your ack like a long lost lover. In both cases you bragged about 'winning' when in fact it was your base ack - and ack alone - that hit me. In both cases you swore up & down to the contrary. The only reason I remember you now is because you went on a tirade on 200 trying to impress everyone with your 'mad skillz' while claiming victory... just like you're doing now.
It's not every day you meet a pathological liar, though I have met a handful over the course of my life, and you fit the mold perfectly. Why someone would expend so much energy making up crap about a video game is beyond me. Maybe that's your way of coping with the stress of pulling down 15K / month :rofl
Anyone who's actually fought me or fought with me knows you're full of it. I routinely salute - in sincere appreciation - those who better me in this game. Those who best me are my teachers. Those who best me on a regular basis are - by & large - my friends here (except Dolby. He's just mean :devil). You, sir (if you can call a 12-year-old sir), are neither. So go ahead & spend the next 2 pages making more stuff up. You have absolutely no idea how transparent your fabrications are.
Why am I not surprised you two are buddies? Tumor simulates WWII combat by targeting AFK pilots while you simulate the war effort with your own homegrown propaganda campaign :rofl. Maybe you'll get lucky in AH3... They might add pamphlets to the payload options. That way you could carpet the entire knit kingdom with fliers that say "I shot down Fishbait".
Good luck in life, kid. You're going to need it.
I thought you were done with this discussion--twice. :rofl
"The lady doth protest too much, methinks."
At least you finally admitted two truths:
1) 1 v 1, not a pick or gang by me.
2) You died with an E advantage.
:aok
Calling someone a liar after doing so for DAYS is the height of hypocrisy. :rolleyes:
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I love stats in AH. I wish we could have a battle contest to see who could acheive the highest fighter score next tour. Then we could prove who's style is better in the MA. Or we could have a contest in 1 plane to see who could gain the highest K/D to 100 kills. That would show whos flying style is the most successful in AH. Then we could really put into perspective the idea of realistic flying and skills in the MA.
Oh yeah Big Boy?!!! Well I picked you and vulched Changeup. Afterwards, I bought both of you some beers. The dishwasher at the bar was V. You kept throwing peanuts in his sink.
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wheres that popcorn eating gif, i need it now.
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And if I see him again the outcome will be identical, DA, MA, or otherwise.
"If I see him again" :rofl Are you sh**ting me?
We've been going at this for 2 days now, pretty much in real time, as the bulk of your replies have been within minutes of mine. You know exactly where I'm at.
Do you even read what you type? Every post you make trumps the one before it for pure comic value, and I'm not referring to your failed attempts at being cute.
"If I see him again" ... wow ... you are one piece of work.
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You know exactly where I'm at.
But you do not know where I am at.
I realize you are desperately trying to save face after losing with a massive E advantage. How you think a repeat engagement with equal energy states will result in a different outcome is beyond me.
By all means, continue.
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But you do not know where I am at.
I'm figuring either mom's basement, a sanitarium, or in Tumor's loving embrace.
I realize you are desperately trying to save face after losing with a massive E advantage. How you think a repeat engagement with equal energy states will result in a different outcome is beyond me.
Well, I'm assuming if we DA you won't be hiding in your ack, so there's that. Then again, knowing what I know of you now, I might be jumping to conclusions. Regardless, I'm feeling extra foolhardy at the moment. Go ahead big boy - put me in my place.
I'm ready to DA right now. You just responded to me. Let's do this.
Predicting your excuse-hole to ramp up production in 5, 4, 3, 2, ....
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I'm figuring either mom's basement, a sanitarium, or in Tumor's loving embrace.
Well, I'm assuming if we DA you won't be hiding in your ack, so there's that. Then again, knowing what I know of you now, I might be jumping to conclusions. Regardless, I'm feeling extra foolhardy at the moment. Go ahead big boy - put me in my place.
I'm ready to DA right now. You just responded to me. Let's do this.
Predicting your excuse-hole to ramp up production in 5, 4, 3, 2, ....
A lie repeated does not make it true. But please continue.
My squaddies know where I am. Needless to say I won't be on AH for several weeks.
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Needless to say I won't be on AH for several weeks.
... one.
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... one.
Let it go, bruh. You lost. The pain will fade in time.
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Waaa...
What a bunch of whiners...
I love the game the way it is.
I get killed more than I kill.
I am always getting myself in situations where I know I'm gonna die and I go in anyway. I'm getting a little better, and I have no desire for ANYONE to change their style of gameplay to make me happy.
I never accuse people of cheating (although I have finally been accused of it myself, so I MUST be getting better)
I love the guys in my squad. They have taught me more in a year than I could have learned in a lifetime by myself. They are great crazy human beings and we have an absolute BLAST getting all toasted (Engage Cannabinoids!!!) playing this game together.
And I NEVER whine.
Grow up...
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Waaa...
What a bunch of whiners...
I love the game the way it is.
I get killed more than I kill.
I am always getting myself in situations where I know I'm gonna die and I go in anyway. I'm getting a little better, and I have no desire for ANYONE to change their style of gameplay to make me happy.
I never accuse people of cheating (although I have finally been accused of it myself, so I MUST be getting better)
I love the guys in my squad. They have taught me more in a year than I could have learned in a lifetime by myself. They are great crazy human beings and we have an absolute BLAST getting all toasted (Engage Cannabinoids!!!) playing this game together.
And I NEVER whine.
Grow up...
Dude...
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NatCigg... :salute
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Is Fishbait a new guy?
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Waaa...
What a bunch of whiners...
I love the game the way it is.
I get killed more than I kill.
I am always getting myself in situations where I know I'm gonna die and I go in anyway. I'm getting a little better, and I have no desire for ANYONE to change their style of gameplay to make me happy.
I never accuse people of cheating (although I have finally been accused of it myself, so I MUST be getting better)
I love the guys in my squad. They have taught me more in a year than I could have learned in a lifetime by myself. They are great crazy human beings and we have an absolute BLAST getting all toasted (Engage Cannabinoids!!!) playing this game together.
And I NEVER whine.
Grow up...
Welcome to the game. I am very happy you are here sir :salute
"Z's" of the world.........UNITE !
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:salute Mr. Z!
Thank you. Happy to be here!
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Personally, I could not possibly care less what a bunch of anonymous, ankle biting, net troll keyboard warriors think of me.
Right Mr 15K a month, lmao!! Yup, you don't care what people think. Lol
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Right Mr 15K a month, lmao!! Yup, you don't care what people think. Lol
Well, in all fairness, he never stated what currency he gets paid in.
Maybe he's from Zimbabwe :D
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That's me :old:
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This went off the rails.