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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: SKULLY7 on July 10, 2008, 03:28:28 AM
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In the past, and most recently the last week or so there have been a few players who use the vox loophole for "SPY" purposes. Currently a player may switch sides and then remain in contact with players on private channels regardless of country affiliation. Last Saturday, 7-5-08 three missions were blown due to a side switcher joining mission and then alerting his squaddies who reported to country the mission target and location. Mission met with 20 or sore uppers even though it was noe with no DAR . This player was "Johhnyjr". I am sure he is not the only one who uses this loophole to his advantage, but the one who was caught. It was noticed that he switched and it was reported to a mission member what he was doing on his country channel. I believe that a Jokers Jokers member has the event recorded as he reported on vox 269.
This takes away from the game one of the most important factions, that being the FUN part. Please High Tech will you address the VOX issue if possible to eliminate the ability of players to use the loophole. It should not be the players paying the 15 dollars a month to monitor such events but the service provider, in my opinion ,who eliminates the possibility of the cheat. Once a players switches sides he should only be able to communicate with that side with voice and text. How has this gone overlooked for so long? I have been playing for I believe 4 years now as Skully6 and Skully7 and to have the enjoyment "I Pay for "allowed to be ruined by some "Noobie or Dweeb" (to use some 200 terminology) this I will not tolerate anymore.
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OH OH, The c-word! :uhoh
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remove vox altogether. Problem solved.
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:uhoh
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"spying" is a legit part of war ? yes??(hells kitchen) yes yes??? dang i hate that........ :rock
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In the words of the shawk look alike Alice Cooper.... "Schools out for summer".
Happens every year without fail. Some kids get to figure out how the game works to their.... muhahaha advantage. Unfortunately some kids don't realise their being taken advantage of by those that put them up to it. :noid
P.S. Monitor channel 6 help orange text........a wealth of information can be gained :D
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Its amazing what extent these people go through to GAME the GAME. I have issues with the 1 hour rule of side switchers and I totaly disagree with it. All it does is promote dweebs from other countries to flood our sides roster, shoot ENY to the roof and create these problems that skully was stating.
Im thankful that my squad most times has good numbers so we can run private missions and not come across these dweebs. trust me, its much more effective.
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This player was "Johhnyjr".
Not to mention that this kid is extremely annoying on the range channel. Tonight he was actually singing, and he sounds like he's 14 years old. :uhoh
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Skully, I agree with you but I'm afraid just fixing the vox won't help as they can PM the same information. As for switching sides, I say if you switch, you stay there for the rest of the tour.Them johnny boys have always been a little too gamey for my taste. I think if I see a con on either one of them from now on, I'll just fly on by like I never seen a thing. :salute
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And if they didn't have vox or PM they'd use a landline, yell from window to window, or find some other way to do it.
Spying happens, sucks when it hits a mission hard, but thats life.
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....and you were running an NOE for what reason? To steal a base with out much opposition maybe? The whole game is setup around one thing, making opportunities to get into a fight. HTC will not change the VOX because by having a "spy" bust your NOE, it created a fight!
Next time, go in with a little balls, buffs at 10k, fighter support, and attacking fighters. 15 guys with a plan can wipe out a base just as easy as an NOE, ya just have to work at it a bit.
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remove vox altogether. Problem solved.
pretty selfish attitude, one that can only be held by those whose use ventrillo :huh
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....and you were running an NOE for what reason? To steal a base with out much opposition maybe? The whole game is setup around one thing, making opportunities to get into a fight. HTC will not change the VOX because by having a "spy" bust your NOE, it created a fight!
Next time, go in with a little balls, buffs at 10k, fighter support, and attacking fighters. 15 guys with a plan can wipe out a base just as easy as an NOE, ya just have to work at it a bit.
NOE missions are not the point of his post. Spying is.
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Spying is a legit part of warfare.
If HTC didn't want other aspects of WWII in this game, they would never have added tanks.
P.S. My only gripe are those people who run multiple computers and accounts to make you a wingman on one account to keep hunting you on the other. There is a Trainer who has been doing this for a very long time. HTC should implement something into the game which would let you know when someone makes you a wingman.
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pretty selfish attitude, one that can only be held by those whose use ventrillo :huh
if people cant play nice it gets taken away. it can be easily abused. I've had squaddies get verbal, offensive tirades, on private vox. Range is probably worse with all the shrieking and sometimes swearing.
lock down channels to specific squads is the only way to tighten it up and the option to disable range. or remove it altogether.
As it is now anyone could mis-behave and get away with it.
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In the past, and most recently the last week or so there have been a few players who use the vox loophole for "SPY" purposes. Currently a player may switch sides and then remain in contact with players on private channels regardless of country affiliation. Last Saturday, 7-5-08 three missions were blown due to a side switcher joining mission and then alerting his squaddies who reported to country the mission target and location. Mission met with 20 or sore uppers even though it was noe with no DAR . This player was "Johhnyjr". I am sure he is not the only one who uses this loophole to his advantage, but the one who was caught. It was noticed that he switched and it was reported to a mission member what he was doing on his country channel. I believe that a Jokers Jokers member has the event recorded as he reported on vox 269.
This takes away from the game one of the most important factions, that being the FUN part. Please High Tech will you address the VOX issue if possible to eliminate the ability of players to use the loophole. It should not be the players paying the 15 dollars a month to monitor such events but the service provider, in my opinion ,who eliminates the possibility of the cheat. Once a players switches sides he should only be able to communicate with that side with voice and text. How has this gone overlooked for so long? I have been playing for I believe 4 years now as Skully6 and Skully7 and to have the enjoyment "I Pay for "allowed to be ruined by some "Noobie or Dweeb" (to use some 200 terminology) this I will not tolerate anymore.
Ever heard of private messages?
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Seen a friendly in a jeep run an enemy tiger near base supply's yesterday after smoking his turret is that cheating?
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remove vox altogether. Problem solved.
Just a wee bit drastic ... let's remove it all together because of a few tardlings decide to abuse it ... ain't gonna happen.
Again ... the seriousness that some bring to this GAME fascinates me to no end. Anything that happens in this game should not even make a blip on "lifes" radar ... yet some are driven to frothing at the mouth over gaming incidents ... such as "spying". Some people need to step back and re-evaluate.
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And if they didn't have vox or PM they'd use a landline, yell from window to window, or find some other way to do it.
Spying happens, sucks when it hits a mission hard, but thats life.
easily solved problem though.....keep the missions to only those pilots whose names you recognize. don't give out details till the mission is populated enough to assign the mission frequency. once mission frequency is assigned, brief all mission pilots, and launch.
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NOE missions are not the point of his post. Spying is.
spying is and apparently has been part of the game. ya get kids come in here and figure out how to game the game, with the least amount of effort. this is one of those ways. there;s ways around it.
like fugative mentioned up a couple posts.......go in at alt, with some balls, and enjo the fight. it's more fun that way
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Seen a friendly in a jeep run an enemy tiger near base supply's yesterday after smoking his turret is that cheating?
No, it's just some dude with a shades account.
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There is a Trainer who has been doing this for a very long time. HTC should implement something into the game which would let you know when someone makes you a wingman.
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mongo want name :D
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actually if they tell someone, you just get good fights where you're trying to capture. consider it a condition of capture and have fun with it. theres always gonna be someone to blow your cover.
the other side of the coin is that you're milking bases and whining because someone told. bummer dood
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ALthough i don't give 2 hoots about the spying or cheating allegations here I do feel there is need for more control or options regarding vox and the squelch features.
perma squelch, turning off country channel text, muting range but not tuned channel. etc etc
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easily solved problem though.....keep the missions to only those pilots whose names you recognize. don't give out details till the mission is populated enough to assign the mission frequency. once mission frequency is assigned, brief all mission pilots, and launch.
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That doesn't stop people from upping with the mission and yelling out on 200 where it took off from.
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if people cant play nice it gets taken away. it can be easily abused. I've had squaddies get verbal, offensive tirades, on private vox. Range is probably worse with all the shrieking and sometimes swearing.
lock down channels to specific squads is the only way to tighten it up and the option to disable range. or remove it altogether.
As it is now anyone could mis-behave and get away with it.
maybe i misunderstood. do you mean remove vox for everyone or just for the people who you consider to be playing unfairly or abusing vox?
P.S. My only gripe are those people who run multiple computers and accounts to make you a wingman on one account to keep hunting you on the other. There is a Trainer who has been doing this for a very long time. HTC should implement something into the game which would let you know when someone makes you a wingman.
hey xargos it aint all that bad surely, most of the people who do that kind of thing wouldnt stand a chance of beating you anyhow :D
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Seen a friendly in a jeep run an enemy tiger near base supply's yesterday after smoking his turret is that cheating?
That happens when you get some really nice people :aok. I had a GV fight with Wonder,he got my turret and after he died brought me some supplies, so nice of him :D.
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P.S. My only gripe are those people who run multiple computers and accounts to make you a wingman on one account to keep hunting you on the other. There is a Trainer who has been doing this for a very long time. HTC should implement something into the game which would let you know when someone makes you a wingman.
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well if they can afford shade accounts, and second computers, and have the desire to cheat,
don't you think they would all have cell phones so as to call each other?
then only we who can't afford such things would be at a disadvantage!
I think it is fine the way it is,
i like that you have the option of doing as you please,
and your charactor comes out, for all too see!
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Just glad to see I am not the only that has problems with Johnnyjr that guy is on the top of the list of ppl to squelch when I log on. :salute
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i agree with the original poster that spy's are crappy, and certainly hamper others fun, but for them its fun to spy(im guessing here)
but to get rid of cross country chat would be a detriment to the game, its funny when you get someone on the other side yelling at you at how much you suk,because they cant kill you, 1vs1.
but really, i do like talking to the opponents i just had a great fight with, some of the coolest people ive met were the red guys at one time or other.
and just for the record not all side switchers are spies, id say most fly for the country with the lowest numbers, and only a very few are actually spies,( although i could be wrong.)
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remove vox altogether. Problem solved.
Uhhhh no.
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not such a crazy idea. AH is the only game that I know that has in built vox that isn't optional. (except muting it of course)
Most wouldn't because of the policing of it hence this thread. It's great that players can interact so easily but there needs to be more options!!!
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That doesn't stop people from upping with the mission and yelling out on 200 where it took off from.
i todes though sir......if the mission specifics are not broadcast, on country channel, and you accept only those you know into your mission, then (in theory at least) it should work out ok.
thing is though.....all ya get from the enemy upping si a whole bunch of good fights. :D
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Not to mention that this kid is extremely annoying on the range channel. Tonight he was actually singing, and he sounds like he's 14 years old. :uhoh
Well, now we all know who not to welcome in our country though. :aok
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My appologies for I guess breaking a rule or two with my post. First time posting.
Vox elimination is not the goal. Just a restriction or two. Side affiliation vox comms only on country channel , Channel 200 stays as all can view it, eliminate pm from side to side or squad comms from side to side. OOps thats three.
Why cant everyone be made aware of an existing problem or issue ?
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Why cant everyone be made aware of an existing problem or issue ?
Why can't everyone just play nice?
Why do some people play this game like their lives depend on it?
Why do some people live for score and rank?
Why can't everyone just play nice? (oh, I said that already)
Why are most people nice, and a few people are dinks?
Why...
Why...
Why...
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mongo want name :D
I know this one!!!
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I think it's chickenpoop to spy ike that. YMMV.
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Party on vox ch 269!!
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i have a better idea. since people can't play nice, lets do away with teams
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i have a better idea. since people can't play nice, lets do away with teams
And have it as just one GIANT free-for-all!!!
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:uhoh
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My appologies for I guess breaking a rule or two with my post. First time posting.
Vox elimination is not the goal. Just a restriction or two. Side affiliation vox comms only on country channel , Channel 200 stays as all can view it, eliminate pm from side to side or squad comms from side to side. OOps thats three.
Why cant everyone be made aware of an existing problem or issue ?
Skully this isn't the first time for this to be brought up. This issue is as old as AH itself. Sorry you got your mission busted, but the fix isn't worth taking away any of the comm privileges that help make it a fun community. Never gonna happen. And HTC isn't going to do anything that limits game play for side switchers, why the heck would he? AH is set up right now to encourage side switching and game play balance. Besides the ding to the fun factor, I'm sure it's not worth it in investment in coad time to do something like that. I doubt HTC has ever lost one customer because a "spy" busted a mission.
As for the squeeker, yeah he's on my squelch list too along with SRGE and a couple other ones that are abusing their squeeker talents to purposely annoy.
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My appologies for I guess breaking a rule or two with my post. First time posting.
Vox elimination is not the goal. Just a restriction or two. Side affiliation vox comms only on country channel , Channel 200 stays as all can view it, eliminate pm from side to side or squad comms from side to side. OOps thats three.
Why cant everyone be made aware of an existing problem or issue ?
I'll get Rule#6'd, but this thread was started with a Rule#8. You're not helping anything by making this thread in open forums.
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Not to mention that this kid is extremely annoying on the range channel. Tonight he was actually singing, and he sounds like he's 14 years old. :uhoh
That's an insult :rofl
More like 8.
I don't know how having your NOE mission busted is wrong or whatever... it actually gives you something to do beside shoot at nonresponding objects...
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....and you were running an NOE for what reason? To steal a base with out much opposition maybe? The whole game is setup around one thing, making opportunities to get into a fight. HTC will not change the VOX because by having a "spy" bust your NOE, it created a fight!
Next time, go in with a little balls, buffs at 10k, fighter support, and attacking fighters. 15 guys with a plan can wipe out a base just as easy as an NOE, ya just have to work at it a bit.
Bravo! Well said!
I really don't understand the joy of paying $15 to avoid everyone online by going NOE, just to destroy the same buildings that are available offline.
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Bravo! Well said!
I really don't understand the joy of paying $15 to avoid everyone online by going NOE, just to destroy the same buildings that are available offline.
I wholeheartedly agree with this...
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Nothing needs to be changed except maybe your expectations of the game. If you don't want your precious milk runs found out, then don't broadcast them over country channel. Get some people you trust and quietly get a mission together. Don't post the mission..just get some planes together and fly. Get a program like Skype to talk to other like minded milk runners, that way you will not be overheard while formulating your grand plans to win the war. Lighten up and have some fun.
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And if they didn't have vox or PM they'd use a landline, yell from window to window, or find some other way to do it.
Good let them, why facilitate it? Its Stupid!
I happen to agree, country to country vox should be shut down..Period!
What Kinda Lame BS is this:
Hey Jeri 6 this is USA 1 we got a very large bomber formation heading on into Berlin from the N. You wanna hurry and intercept it.
The squad channel same friggin thing. I had a squadie ask me, from another side, the other day if there was "anything I want to know about" before he left to come back "Home". WTF! Nope!
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Party on vox ch 269!!
lol stodd
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In the past, and most recently the last week or so there have been a few players who use the vox loophole for "SPY" purposes. Currently a player may switch sides and then remain in contact with players on private channels regardless of country affiliation. Last Saturday, 7-5-08 three missions were blown due to a side switcher joining mission and then alerting his squaddies who reported to country the mission target and location. Mission met with 20 or sore uppers even though it was noe with no DAR . This player was "Johhnyjr". I am sure he is not the only one who uses this loophole to his advantage, but the one who was caught. It was noticed that he switched and it was reported to a mission member what he was doing on his country channel. I believe that a Jokers Jokers member has the event recorded as he reported on vox 269.
This takes away from the game one of the most important factions, that being the FUN part. Please High Tech will you address the VOX issue if possible to eliminate the ability of players to use the loophole. It should not be the players paying the 15 dollars a month to monitor such events but the service provider, in my opinion ,who eliminates the possibility of the cheat. Once a players switches sides he should only be able to communicate with that side with voice and text. How has this gone overlooked for so long? I have been playing for I believe 4 years now as Skully6 and Skully7 and to have the enjoyment "I Pay for "allowed to be ruined by some "Noobie or Dweeb" (to use some 200 terminology) this I will not tolerate anymore.
Skully,i was on this vox the entire time during this occurence,I'm not sure if a JJ was there the WHOLE time recording,but i did hear Johnnyjr say things about joining missions and telling us where they went,i told him it was spying and he lied to himself saying it wasnt
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While I would be the first to say that spying is a part of war, the problem here is that spying is far too easy and there is no penality if caught.
Now if we can figure out a way to ban a player from being a Knight, Bish, or Rook based on that palyer being caught spying, than it would be a little more realistic. Not likely to happen.
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Spying aint cool .Should be a 24 hr period before one can change sides.
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While I would be the first to say that spying is a part of war, the problem here is that spying is far too easy and there is no penality if caught.
Now if we can figure out a way to ban a player from being a Knight, Bish, or Rook based on that palyer being caught spying, than it would be a little more realistic. Not likely to happen.
i agree with this punishment option... maybe if cought spying we build gallows in town and hang cartoon piolts
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No thanks, I'm already hung.
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No thanks, I'm already hung.
:rofl :rofl
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No thanks, I'm already hung.
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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There is a Trainer who has been doing this for a very long time.
Let me guess, Badboy?
ack-ack
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Good let them, why facilitate it? Its Stupid!
I happen to agree, country to country vox should be shut down..Period!
What Kinda Lame BS is this:
Hey Jeri 6 this is USA 1 we got a very large bomber formation heading on into Berlin from the N. You wanna hurry and intercept it.
The squad channel same friggin thing. I had a squadie ask me, from another side, the other day if there was "anything I want to know about" before he left to come back "Home". WTF! Nope!
WOW ... that quite a stance that you have taken on the subject ... yet you continue to fly with a squad/squaddies that obviously have no problem cheating/spying ... how do you sleep at night ?
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Spying aint cool .Should be a 24 hr period before one can change sides.
Nope. That would hinder those of us that regularly switch sides to help with the country with the low numbers.
ack-ack
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Let me guess, Badboy?
ack-ack
Ding Ding Ding
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INgenious......... :D
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WOW ... that quite a stance that you have taken on the subject ... yet you continue to fly with a squad/squaddies that obviously have no problem cheating/spying ... how do you sleep at night ?
The other day he was a squadie and I sleep just fine. Thanx Slappy!
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:noid :noid :noid :noid
ROX
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Use 4squad.
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The other day he was a squadie and I sleep just fine. Thanx Slappy!
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Let me guess, Badboy?
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yep....he one freaky stalker. :noid
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Its amazing what extent these people go through to GAME the GAME. I have issues with the 1 hour rule of side switchers and I totaly disagree with it. All it does is promote dweebs from other countries to flood our sides roster, shoot ENY to the roof and create these problems that skully was stating.
Im thankful that my squad most times has good numbers so we can run private missions and not come across these dweebs. trust me, its much more effective.
Yes. In Fact, I read somewhere that EA had to reset over 3,000 people's scores for "Battlefield: Bad Company" because they were using exploits in the game to their advantage! The game has only been out a few weeks already!
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yep....he one freaky stalker. :noid
I am really surprised, I don't recall him acting like a total turd in AW but I guess people change. It is sad to hear that he's resorted to being a total arse, he actually used to be one of the good sticks.
ack-ack
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Nope. That would hinder those of us that regularly switch sides to help with the country with the low numbers.
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Word.
Maybe it's just one of the small inconveniences of the one size fits all hoarde misshun. Live with it. What's better, a little excitement for a minute or two, or 30 guys floating over a base fully loaded with 1 kill between all of them?
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how is limiting amount of time actually going to curb spying anyway? Getting rid of cross country vox would be great, combined with very strict side switching. That way HT would be sure to keep me from chatting with friends....really who needs interaction with the community in an online game anyway! brilliant.
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That doesn't stop people from upping with the mission and yelling out on 200 where it took off from.
If you removed all in game como comepletly, they would just use a program like ventrillo, so there is no point to messing with it., case closed, sorry, no, lets move on, next question.
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how is limiting amount of time actually going to curb spying anyway? Getting rid of cross country vox would be great, combined with very strict side switching. That way HT would be sure to keep me from chatting with friends....really who needs interaction with the community in an online game anyway! brilliant.
no " getting rid of cross country vox" would not be great, and as i have said and others here have said most side switchers are looking for the better fight, not to spy.
there will always be spies,if they cant vox they will text each other, if they are that determined.
but maybe its just because i don't care who wins the "war" I am here for a good Aerial fight. seeings how this game is about Aerial Combat, and "pissing off the red guy" or something like that, some one of no importance has said.
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Hows about having squad vox only limited to people on the squad roster? like in the text. Also to stop the dweeby PMs..have invites sent to anyone from other countries who wants to PM.
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No, it's just some dude with a shades account.
Speaking from experience?
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Anyone else think this wont end well?
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sup Donzo
hope things are good for ya in the RW.
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NOE missions are not the point of his post. Spying is.
What I was pointing out was that an NOE mission is sneaky way to steal a base, much like spying is a sneaky way to bust a mission. Is going to happen, and it will be kids most times because they still believe that "winning the war" means you win the game. The "war" just like the strat targets, and GVs, and the base captures are all mechanics that create opportunities for FIGHTS That is what the game is about.
Never mind about the spying, go out and pick a fight. Should you happen to take that base, go pick another fight, thats where all the fun is!
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sup Donzo
hope things are good for ya in the RW.
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<S> ink
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Nope. That would hinder those of us that regularly switch sides to help with the country with the low numbers.
ack-ack
+1
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What I was pointing out was that an NOE mission is sneaky way to steal a base, much like spying is a sneaky way to bust a mission. Is going to happen, and it will be kids most times because they still believe that "winning the war" means you win the game. The "war" just like the strat targets, and GVs, and the base captures are all mechanics that create opportunities for FIGHTS That is what the game is about.
Never mind about the spying, go out and pick a fight. Should you happen to take that base, go pick another fight, thats where all the fun is!
The game is NOT just about fighting. If that were the case..noone would win and reset the map. There wouldnt be a map..just 3 high alt bases where everyone would furball. You have to have the NOE tactic here to win a map or its just going to be a stalemate.
People..there is a "strategic" value to this game. When you run a NOE, even though you dont put up a darbar..your still faced with that base blinking a good 3 minutes before you get to that town. Then your mission is null and void completly if they kill your troops or some newb running the goon decides to drop under 200 ft or you see them over the airfeild. Now we have to deal with side switchers that shoot their mouths off?...LAME and completly takes away one good aspect of the game.
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The game is NOT just about fighting. If that were the case..noone would win and reset the map. There wouldnt be a map..just 3 high alt bases where everyone would furball. You have to have the NOE tactic here to win a map or its just going to be a stalemate.
People..there is a "strategic" value to this game. When you run a NOE, even though you dont put up a darbar..your still faced with that base blinking a good 3 minutes before you get to that town. Then your mission is null and void completly if they kill your troops or some newb running the goon decides to drop under 200 ft or you see them over the airfeild. Now we have to deal with side switchers that shoot their mouths off?...LAME and completly takes away one good aspect of the game.
What do you win? And did I miss something here? When did anything completely take away one aspect of the game?
Go ahead, reset the map and start the do over if that's what you like, but to imply one squeaker with a loud mouth has completely taken out a part of the same is just silly.
And remember it's us old timers that are intent on ruining the game, not the newbies squeaker types!
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Seen a friendly in a jeep run an enemy tiger near base supply's yesterday after smoking his turret is that cheating?
I've had guys run supps to me from the other side so we could continue a good GV battle :aok
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the communication system in AHII is very archaic and that game deserves better...seriously its not better than any early dial up game in DOS mode. I think a lot of the tensions between player in game is linked with the difficulty to communicate.
Also as a non English player I would enjoy the support of foreign characters so we can have decent conversations with my fellow Frenchmen.
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If they started putting foreign letters in chat the country chat will just be full of foreign spammers instead, sry but i disagree there noir but would be worse than it is now.
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The game is NOT just about fighting. If that were the case..noone would win and reset the map. There wouldnt be a map..just 3 high alt bases where everyone would furball. You have to have the NOE tactic here to win a map or its just going to be a stalemate.
People..there is a "strategic" value to this game. When you run a NOE, even though you dont put up a darbar..your still faced with that base blinking a good 3 minutes before you get to that town. Then your mission is null and void completly if they kill your troops or some newb running the goon decides to drop under 200 ft or you see them over the airfeild. Now we have to deal with side switchers that shoot their mouths off?...LAME and completly takes away one good aspect of the game.
LOL!!! newb ! You'll learn, answer me this,when you "win the war" what do you get? You get to start all over again ! half the time on the same map even !!!. The only thing that is constant, is the fights, thats all this game is about, even HT said it, and he should know, he built the game.
Over the last few weeks the same map has been up in Orange. Was it a titanic struggle of good vs evil, or was it a lot of fights all over the map?
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Skully, I agree with you but I'm afraid just fixing the vox won't help as they can PM the same information. As for switching sides, I say if you switch, you stay there for the rest of the tour.Them johnny boys have always been a little too gamey for my taste. I think if I see a con on either one of them from now on, I'll just fly on by like I never seen a thing. :salute
AYE MEN! HE IS
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Spying is just another way of gameplay. Not that i agree with it, i hate it, But it is a tactic that most of us do not appreciate.
Spy's are ONLY people who either enjoy ruining or making the game a piece of cake for others.
CANT FIND THAT CV?
you spy
CANT SEE WHERE THE TIGERS HIDDING?
you spy
YOU WANT TO PREVENT THERE MISSIONS?
you spy
very unsportsman like and frowned upon
THAT GOES FOR YOU JOHNY
i was playing in sloehands tankclub in DA Johny was on channel. He cant be silent for 3 seconds, iv counted.
If he is silent then hes probably marking you with smoke rounds for the enemy to see like he did in my case...
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I got a list of all the spies i managed to find. I personally don't mind spying cause mission that are posted can be changed, like set the default base and then closer to start time move it. there problem solved.
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Spys are also enemy of states, and are executed for that reason.
Please, let me have the ability to dock you 250+ perks when i catch you, consider it a *bullet to the head*.
NO? gee, thought you might see things that way.
No there is absolutely ZERO reason to have the ability to join others conversations without being accepted in the first place.
Bad enough someone can change country's and Pm other players the positions of mass movement and carrier fleet placing.
But some smack tard sitting inside MY SQUAD ROOM, ruining not only MY fun by my SQUADS fun aswell, and you want me to think this is not wrong why!?
Please tell me how 1 person runing the fun of 40+ players is right (FOR A GAME THAT PRIDES ITSELF ON BALANCE)
Give squad rooms pass words, or "keys" to get into them, problem solved for the vox spy issues.
IT IS USED BECAUSE IT GIVES PLAYERS/SQUADS/COUNTRYS THE ADVANTAGE, IF IT DID NOT GIVE THEM SUCH A SAID ADVANTAGE, PEOPLE WOULD NOT SPY!
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It has been known that a troublesome person gets "dot wingmaned" and said troublesome person's LOCATION is transmitted on 200.
Ain't saying it's right or a good way to community police. Just saying it's been known ;)
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The game is NOT just about fighting. If that were the case..noone would win and reset the map. There wouldnt be a map..just 3 high alt bases where everyone would furball. You have to have the NOE tactic here to win a map or its just going to be a stalemate.
People..there is a "strategic" value to this game. When you run a NOE, even though you dont put up a darbar..your still faced with that base blinking a good 3 minutes before you get to that town. Then your mission is null and void completly if they kill your troops or some newb running the goon decides to drop under 200 ft or you see them over the airfeild. Now we have to deal with side switchers that shoot their mouths off?...LAME and completly takes away one good aspect of the game.
ummm ... troops have to be dropped at a minimum of 800ft ABOVE GROUND LEVEL.
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the communication system in AHII is very archaic and that game deserves better...seriously its not better than any early dial up game in DOS mode. I think a lot of the tensions between player in game is linked with the difficulty to communicate.
Also as a non English player I would enjoy the support of foreign characters so we can have decent conversations with my fellow Frenchmen.
Interesting ... please explain what about it is archaic.
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Missions suck ...who cares
Helm ...out
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What do you win?...when you play a game of chess/checkers? how bout football/baseball? rugby/lacross? monopoly/clue? battleship/stratego? golf/tennis?
what do ya win? is it not a Game? Is it winable? Why?
People like to win, try playing chess with just your pawns. This is a game last time I checked.
Its not game the play, Its play the game.
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What do you win?...when you play a game of chess/checkers? how bout football/baseball? rugby/lacross? monopoly/clue? battleship/stratego? golf/tennis?
what do ya win? is it not a Game? Is it winable? Why?
People like to win, try playing chess with just your pawns. This is a game last time I checked.
Its not game the play, Its play the game.
chess/checkers? ... nothing ... unless there is a tournament
football/baseball? ... championships are usually what one would win
rugby/lacross? ... championships are usually what one would win
monopoly/clue? ... nothing ... unless there is a tournament
battleship/stratego? ... nothing ... unless there is a tournament
golf/tennis?... championships are usually what one would win
Aces High ... nothing ... there are no tournaments or championships ... just a map change.
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Originally posted by Pyro
The game is about aerial combat and that takes precedence to everything else. There will be tanks and such in the game but they won't ever be the main focus.
Vehicles will be useful for harrassing the enemy and capturing bases. There will be a lot more vehicle bases scattered around the terrain than airfields, so the travel distances won't be a huge factor.
But the gist of the message is that yes, we'll be putting more into this game than airplanes but our focus of the game is still aerial combat.
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I wish there wasn't a time limit for switching at all. Sometimes the numbers change in less than an hour, and my side will still have numbers in the other arena. Better yet, don't tie the two arenas together. Make it so country affiliation in one has nothing to do with the other.
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how is limiting amount of time actually going to curb spying anyway? Getting rid of cross country vox would be great, combined with very strict side switching.
The clowns doing it for evil intent will scream their heads off on the boards to high heaven.
If they weren't using it for evil intent, why would they even remotely care if it were changed?
Follow the "I ALWAYS switch countries to the lowest numbers for the best fights" BOZOS in-game. Make a note for a few weeks of what the countries they are on and the numbers at the time (take some roster screen shots) and find out that it's the biggest lie in the game. Over 75% of the time you will see them one of the biggest numbers countries.
The extremely few times they do switch to the lowest numbers....nobody trusts them worth a flip because they have seen them as an enemy most of the time.
PLEASE don't believe me, make note yourself and check the roster often.
You might want to also take note of how many times they are on one country--and how many times one or more of their squaddies are on another.
You don't have to be Einstein to figure out what they are doing.
But...it's their 15 bucks. Let 'em do what they want.
ROX
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I will continue to run missions with or without spies, we have the numbers and have secure comms, what else do you need.
I actually get a kick out of making fools out of the spies when we run diversion missions and actually see some of you suckers bite on it to defend it.... we do keep up with who they are and where they are operating so its no suprise when we see them trying to spy.
Happy Hunting.... :lol :lol :lol
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Also as a non English player I would enjoy the support of foreign characters so we can have decent conversations with my fellow Frenchmen.
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
How about a character that is the international sign for "touchdown".
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
ROX
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Slapshot, may I point out that unless you are one of the fraction of a percentange of the population that is a professional player in one of those venues, winning one of them is exactly equally as rewarding as winning a fight, battle or war in Aces High...
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The clowns doing it for evil intent will scream their heads off on the boards to high heaven.
If they weren't using it for evil intent, why would they even remotely care if it were changed?
Follow the "I ALWAYS switch countries to the lowest numbers for the best fights" BOZOS in-game. Make a note for a few weeks of what the countries they are on and the numbers at the time (take some roster screen shots) and find out that it's the biggest lie in the game. Over 75% of the time you will see them one of the biggest numbers countries.
The extremely few times they do switch to the lowest numbers....nobody trusts them worth a flip because they have seen them as an enemy most of the time.
PLEASE don't believe me, make note yourself and check the roster often.
You might want to also take note of how many times they are on one country--and how many times one or more of their squaddies are on another.
You don't have to be Einstein to figure out what they are doing.
But...it's their 15 bucks. Let 'em do what they want.
ROX
If I am not on low numbers, it's because I only logged on for 5-10 minutes to see if any squaddies were on, or a squaddy just switched to my side before I could switch to his, not knowing mine was high. Sometimes it's the case that the numbers are deceiving though, and though it might be the low side, when you switch you see all the fights are filled with green. The country with larger numbers might actually be out numbered in the fight, because most of its inflight population is NOE scorewhoring or something of the like.
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The clowns doing it for evil intent will scream their heads off on the boards to high heaven.
If they weren't using it for evil intent, why would they even remotely care if it were changed?
Follow the "I ALWAYS switch countries to the lowest numbers for the best fights" BOZOS in-game. Make a note for a few weeks of what the countries they are on and the numbers at the time (take some roster screen shots) and find out that it's the biggest lie in the game. Over 75% of the time you will see them one of the biggest numbers countries.
The extremely few times they do switch to the lowest numbers....nobody trusts them worth a flip because they have seen them as an enemy most of the time.
PLEASE don't believe me, make note yourself and check the roster often.
You might want to also take note of how many times they are on one country--and how many times one or more of their squaddies are on another.
You don't have to be Einstein to figure out what they are doing.
But...it's their 15 bucks. Let 'em do what they want.
ROX
As one of thos BOZO's, please do note who I fly for and when. Please do take screen shots. Collect a dossier on me and my flying. Please! Quiz me on the status of the 'war' in the arena when you see me. What the heck, ask me if I even know what map we're on! I'm sure it will reveal my evil intent to spend my time disrupting certain groups from obtaining their war winning prize through whatever means neccessary!
If only you could see my network of computers, set up on different accounts, logged into each country multiple times and having infiltrated multiple squadrons just to spread my evil ways. Little do you know that I'm in your squad too ROX! I'd watch your six if I were you! The best spies always stick closest to those they want to disrupt, and appear to be their closest friends........ :noid :noid :noid
BozoJr of the 80th Spyhunters
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Ink, I was being sarcastic, I think generally we fly the same way ;)
Rox, you crack me up. if you don't know why people would not be happy about not being able to have cross country comms....then you either need more friends, or start taking this game much less serious. I for one, when getting shot down by an old squadie, or someone I know, might take the moment, noticing they are one, to send them a message, or just say hi. I could care less who trusts me or not, because the people I do know, know that isn't an issue at all. I often feel like you are trying to take a simple game in which people chat and have fun, make friends, update each other about how life is going, and turn it into one giant conspiracy theory. That is the simple truth about it. I would assume others might "abuse" this in some way, in the end it is a game. If HT wanted to make a strict war sim, he could. Instead, he made a light hearted sand box game in which many enjoy just for the sake of flying and hanging with some online buds. It's your $15 bucks too, so play how you want, but don't start going crazy because some people enjoy conversing with others, whom they have met over the years, in private, because of your assumption that anyone who uses it is spying. You are right, it does not take an Einstein to figure that out.
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Follow the "I ALWAYS switch countries to the lowest numbers for the best fights" BOZOS in-game.
Come on ROX ... you really can't paint with such a broad brush.
I switch a lot and I can guarantee you that I could care less what you or anyone else wants to do to "win the war" ... those of us that do switch to go to the lower numbers are people who are in it for the fight ... not the "win the war".
SlappyBOZO
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PLuck :salute
ROX
you know what they say when you assume something!!
and you sir(used very loosely)are a giant one.
nuff said
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Who said ANYTHING about it being a "Win The War" thing? I'd like to see where you yanked that one out of.
I stand by my post...there are folks who constantly post about how they "ALWAYS go to the side with the lowest numbers...." yadi yadi yadi. Just look at the roster sometime and see where really are. Like I said, DON'T believe me, go look for yourself.
As For the side hoppers with evil intent.... It is only a very small handfull of people who I see doing it.
Hey, Like I said it's their $15 bucks...
Thanks for the name calling ink! :aok Well done! :aok
ROX
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If you have a few minutes to waste... After you long on Cycle through the 200 channels... IT will take a few minutes but its amazing how many are on the 200 channels and are cross country.... Found some guys in gv's doing it they were cross country and on the same 200 channel... Funny as heck they blaaaab.. and dont even know your there.... I found one thats considered in the top ten in gv;s doing it.
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If only you could see my network of computers, set up on different accounts, logged into each country multiple times and having infiltrated multiple squadrons just to spread my evil ways. Little do you know that I'm in your squad too ROX! I'd watch your six if I were you! The best spies always stick closest to those they want to disrupt, and appear to be their closest friends........ :noid :noid :noid
Come on.. admit it.. you ARE ROX! You may just have forgot which account is the real one and which one is the shade :noid
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Who said ANYTHING about it being a "Win The War" thing? I'd like to see where you hanked that one out of.
I stand by my post.
Hey, Like I said it's their $15 bucks...
BTW: It is only a very small handfull of people who I see doing it
Thanks for the name calling ink! :aok
ROX
BOZO's???????????????????
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BOZO's???????????????????
Ok...I'll be more specific.
LYING Bozos.
Hey...again it's their $15 bucks.
If they want to lie about it in a public forum they have to expect that eventually someone is going to call them on it.
ROX
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Ok...I'll be more specific.
LYING Bozos.
ROX
like i said you assume to much, i switch when the numbers are off, or if there is a better fight between two countries that im not part of,
i know there are spies but i dont think its as bad as you make it to be, who knows maybe it is, but i for one dont and would not.
seriously it is great fun to fight your friends, or to be fighting someone one day, have great fights, then the next time he is green and we fly in same area,checking each others 6, its cool.
im just sayin, not every who switches are spies, i know a bunch that switch that would not spy, the ones that switch you will usually find in a big furball.
and of course you can dis believe me if you want, whatever after i shoot your prettythang down ill put it out on 200 where your "team" can find your corpse.
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As one of thos BOZO's, please do note who I fly for and when. Please do take screen shots. Collect a dossier on me and my flying. Please! Quiz me on the status of the 'war' in the arena when you see me. What the heck, ask me if I even know what map we're on! I'm sure it will reveal my evil intent to spend my time disrupting certain groups from obtaining their war winning prize through whatever means neccessary!
If only you could see my network of computers, set up on different accounts, logged into each country multiple times and having infiltrated multiple squadrons just to spread my evil ways. Little do you know that I'm in your squad too ROX! I'd watch your six if I were you! The best spies always stick closest to those they want to disrupt, and appear to be their closest friends........ :noid :noid :noid
BozoJr of the 80th Spyhunters
There ya go, spoiling the fun for everyone again !!! Your going to ruin this game Dan !!! :furious
.....oh and ROX, dude lighten up, I think you need to get laid or something.
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like i said you assume to much, i switch when the numbers are off, or if there is a better fight between two countries that im not part of,
i know there are spies but i dont think its as bad as you make it to be, who knows maybe it is, but i for one dont and would not.
seriously it is great fun to fight your friends, or to be fighting someone one day, have great fights, then the next time he is green and we fly in same area,checking each others 6, its cool.
im just sayin, not every who switches are spies, i know a bunch that switch that would not spy, the ones that switch you will usually find in a big furball.
and of course you can dis believe me if you want, whatever after i shoot your uncle down ill put it out on 200 where your "team" can find your corpse.
Ink...PLEASE go back and re-read my posts.
<<im just sayin, not every who switches are spies>>
WHO DID? I already said the one's who do are "It is only a very small handfull of people who I see doing it."
<<Making it out as bad as I believe it to be?>>
Is that a troll? Who ever said that?
Did you even bother to READ my post before replying?
In plain and simple easy to understand English: There is a very small minority of folks in the game who side-hop and use cross-country text and VOX for evil purposes...but make any suggestion about elongating the time frame of side hopping or closing off cross country text & VOX and get ready to see the fur fly. From who? The same people who use both for evil intent. It's pretty easy to see who they are. They are the ones squeeling the loudest against any change on the BBS.
Who is dissing YOU? Are you one of those who preach on the boards that they "ALWAYS go to the side with the lowest numbers"--only to be seen constantly on the side of the highest numbers in-game? If you do, how do you rationalize the lie? If you don't...what's the problem?
ROX
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Ink...PLEASE go back and re-read my posts.
<<im just sayin, not every who switches are spies>>
WHO DID? I already said the one's who do are "It is only a very small handfull of people who I see doing it."
Did you even bother to READ my post before replying?
Who is dissing YOU? Are you one of those who preach on the boards that they "ALWAYS go to the side with the lowest numbers"--only to be seen constantly on the side of the highest numbers in-game? I haven't seen it so what is YOUR problem?
I'd prefer the folks lying about it just come out and be honest about it....but that's probably asking too much.
ROX
your statement about BOZOs was wide sweeping, if i took it wrong then i apologize.
and i dont Always switch to the lower side, just when the fights are not good where i am at.
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This thread was derailed faster than southbound trucker in rush hour traffic.
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Ink...PLEASE go back and re-read my posts.
<<im just sayin, not every who switches are spies>>
WHO DID? I already said the one's who do are "It is only a very small handfull of people who I see doing it."
Did you even bother to READ my post before replying?
Who is dissing YOU? Are you one of those who preach on the boards that they "ALWAYS go to the side with the lowest numbers"--only to be seen constantly on the side of the highest numbers in-game? I haven't seen it so what is YOUR problem?
I'd prefer the folks lying about it just come out and be honest about it....but that's probably asking too much.
ROX
But I was honest! Don't I get some credit for that? Didn't you read my post? I admited to everything!
I work so hard to be a BOZO. Lets face it. you inspire me! Someday I hope to reach such high standards of BOZOhood :aok
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Is this guy for real?
I mean come on, no one is that stupid...
Stang/#1Bozo
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<passes out the red noses to all who desire one>
Bozo#3
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Follow the "I ALWAYS switch countries to the lowest numbers for the best fights" BOZOS in-game. Make a note for a few weeks of what the countries they are on and the numbers at the time (take some roster screen shots) and find out that it's the biggest lie in the game. Over 75% of the time you will see them one of the biggest numbers countries.
Well this statement cleary says anyone who claims to switch sides to balance numbers is a liar. And don't forget a Bozo.
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the FBI has a file on me that is 100 pages long. not bad, but not great either. However, the CIA has a large 400 page profile on me, not bad. Last estimate I saw, rox has a stunning 1000 page profile. Beware, i'm not even a main target. Last estimate....guppy was up there with a total of 1 million pages. Of course they are released under the freedom of information act, so they are heavily censored. I did happen to come upon the code name for this information gathering mission. go ahead, ask around (at your own risk), wisper to a high ranking official the word "bozo." and see what happens. Be prepared though, I tried it once, and spent a month in a highly classified prison. Luckily I got out before any serious interrogation occurred. Apparently the guards were busy interrogating sheep, as they figured since they were always on the ground, they saw the enemy movements the best. Also, these sheep, after years in the field, have finally learned not only how to interperate words, but build their own radio! There has been talk of a counter attack by the sheep, of course sparing those you have been "kind" to them in the past. These are just a few of the things that I saw, and the rumors I've heard, for being so stupid as to communicate with my friends in other virtual countries. I would say more, but there is a ninja in here pointing a katana at me, I don't think he speaks english, he just keeps saying QUAH. I don't think he really means it, otherwise I wouldn't be typing now. TINFOIL ACTIVATE. For those of you, at this point, who might be thinking wt (f) (can i type that?) don't worry, join the many that are thinking the same thing, including me.
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Is this guy for real?
I mean come on, no one is that stupid...
Stang/#1Bozo
He is
Wax / Bozo#101
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ROX, you were doing so well and I guess you stopped taking your medications.
(besides, didn't you read that the real Bozo the clown just died?)
Bozo-lirium. #65
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Follow the "I ALWAYS switch countries to the lowest numbers for the best fights" BOZOS in-game. Make a note for a few weeks of what the countries they are on and the numbers at the time (take some roster screen shots) and find out that it's the biggest lie in the game. Over 75% of the time you will see them one of the biggest numbers countries.
Let's see. Probably they DO switch to low numbers country, but within their hour limit that country gains more players? Or they go afk for a while, and when you see them on they are actually afk on a high number country?
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Skully,i was on this vox the entire time during this occurence,I'm not sure if a JJ was there the WHOLE time recording,but i did hear Johnnyjr say things about joining missions and telling us where they went,i told him it was spying and he lied to himself saying it wasnt
roger that ruler I was there too. I didnt like it either.
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Well this statement cleary says anyone who claims to switch sides to balance numbers is a liar. And don't forget a Bozo.
Stang your more than a Bozo :)
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I think there could be more options as listed above, but honestly, after posting bomber missions I find that the spies really have very little impact on the gameplay. Most of the times they are only calling your position to a couple friends, and when they do call a horde, we usually have enough escorts to make it fun.
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chess/checkers? ... nothing ... unless there is a tournament
football/baseball? ... championships are usually what one would win
rugby/lacross? ... championships are usually what one would win
monopoly/clue? ... nothing ... unless there is a tournament
battleship/stratego? ... nothing ... unless there is a tournament
golf/tennis?... championships are usually what one would win
Aces High ... nothing ... there are no tournaments or championships ... just a map change.
" The thrill of victory........" and Perkies! :O
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the FBI has a file on me that is 100 pages long. not bad, but not great either. However, the CIA has a large 400 page profile on me, not bad. Last estimate I saw, rox has a stunning 1000 page profile. Beware, i'm not even a main target. Last estimate....guppy was up there with a total of 1 million pages. Of course they are released under the freedom of information act, so they are heavily censored. I did happen to come upon the code name for this information gathering mission. go ahead, ask around (at your own risk), wisper to a high ranking official the word "bozo." and see what happens. Be prepared though, I tried it once, and spent a month in a highly classified prison. Luckily I got out before any serious interrogation occurred. Apparently the guards were busy interrogating sheep, as they figured since they were always on the ground, they saw the enemy movements the best. Also, these sheep, after years in the field, have finally learned not only how to interperate words, but build their own radio! There has been talk of a counter attack by the sheep, of course sparing those you have been "kind" to them in the past. These are just a few of the things that I saw, and the rumors I've heard, for being so stupid as to communicate with my friends in other virtual countries. I would say more, but there is a ninja in here pointing a katana at me, I don't think he speaks english, he just keeps saying QUAH. I don't think he really means it, otherwise I wouldn't be typing now. TINFOIL ACTIVATE. For those of you, at this point, who might be thinking wt (f) (can i type that?) don't worry, join the many that are thinking the same thing, including me.
your a funny cheese... :salute
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Can't we all just get along and kill each other ?
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" The thrill of victory........" and Perkies! :O
Does anyone really believe that there is any signficant number of players who feel as though they need to win the war to get the 25 perks?
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It's not about the perks. It's about world domination!
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Why on earth anyone would need to spy to figure out that the mission's going to be NOE, with about 3 types of planes, including goons, all of which are fully loaded with bombs regardless of fuel capacity, is beyond me.
I have to wonder... If you guys like the "strategy" of this game so much, why don't you ever use it?
(I realize this is a very wide brush, but, let's be honest... I'm not painting that innacurate a picture of the majority of missions we've all seen over the years).
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" The thrill of victory........" and Perkies! :O
I get the "Trill of Victory " with every fight I win, and perks, I earn more in a night of flying than I can get if we "win the war".
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Best way to conduct mission is with people you know and trust. Dont post a mission, contact the people you want directly and just run it from the runway.
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Well this statement cleary says anyone who claims to switch sides to balance numbers is a liar. And don't forget a Bozo.
This statement shows that some people are just too busy to read and mentally digest something.
Sad really.
Anytime you start using words like "anyone", "everyone", "all", you just took your arguement and flushed it down the toilet. FAIL
ROX
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Can someone answer this question for me:
What's the point in chess piece loyalty in a game? We all have the same priviliges. So what's the difference?
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Can someone answer this question for me:
So what's the difference?
true but everyone knows rooks are cooler :D
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the FBI has a file on me that is 100 pages long. not bad, but not great either. However, the CIA has a large 400 page profile on me, not bad. Last estimate I saw, rox has a stunning 1000 page profile. Beware, i'm not even a main target. Last estimate....guppy was up there with a total of 1 million pages. Of course they are released under the freedom of information act, so they are heavily censored. I did happen to come upon the code name for this information gathering mission. go ahead, ask around (at your own risk), wisper to a high ranking official the word "bozo." and see what happens. Be prepared though, I tried it once, and spent a month in a highly classified prison. Luckily I got out before any serious interrogation occurred. Apparently the guards were busy interrogating sheep, as they figured since they were always on the ground, they saw the enemy movements the best. Also, these sheep, after years in the field, have finally learned not only how to interperate words, but build their own radio! There has been talk of a counter attack by the sheep, of course sparing those you have been "kind" to them in the past. These are just a few of the things that I saw, and the rumors I've heard, for being so stupid as to communicate with my friends in other virtual countries. I would say more, but there is a ninja in here pointing a katana at me, I don't think he speaks english, he just keeps saying QUAH. I don't think he really means it, otherwise I wouldn't be typing now. TINFOIL ACTIVATE. For those of you, at this point, who might be thinking wt (f) (can i type that?) don't worry, join the many that are thinking the same thing, including me.
12 lines of sheer idiocy.
All anyone has to do is take note of who the "I ALWAYS switch to the side with the lowest numbers" pulpit thumpers are and then notice in-game who is lying three ways from Sunday about it. Pretty simple actually it requires r-e-a-d-i-n-g.
ROX
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Can someone answer this question for me:
What's the point in chess piece loyalty in a game? We all have the same priviliges. So what's the difference?
That would be a good topic of a thread...you might want to start one on it.
ROX
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12 lines of sheer idiocy.
ROX
I count 10 lines of comedy.
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I count 10 lines of comedy.
I wrote comedy for 25 years.
Comedy makes you laugh.
What's above makes people (who re-read it 2 or 3 times) scratch their head & wonder "somebody bothered to take the time to actually write that chunk of truthless, worthless text?"
ROX
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I wrote comedy for 25 years.
Comedy makes you laugh.
What's above makes people (who re-read it 2 or 3 times) scratch their head & wonder "somebody bothered to take the time to actually write that chunk of truthless, worthless text?"
ROX
wait just one minute...are you implying that ninjas don't say QUAH! ? I am happy with your review of my writing. As I was trying to emulate many of your posts, it seems this one was dead on :aok
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wait just one minute...are you implying that ninjas don't say QUAH! ? I am happy with your review of my writing. As I was trying to emulate many of your posts, it seems this one was dead on :aok
I think I can help you...
Break up the chunk of text. It looks like it came out of a food processor. If you break it up into 2 or 3 line chunks it's easier to read.
If someone has to re-read something 2-3 times, you lost 'em. Keep the two funniest things you have--put one right up front to make people want to read the rest, and then put the funniest thing at the end. This makes what you wrote memorable.
The more narrative the better.
Also:
It is more than possible that some ninjas in some areas actually would say QUAH on a regular basis. It might be to accent a specific event or accomplishment of their ninjaness.
For anyone to insist that just because a vast majority of ninjas might not say QUAH is obsurd, and only ignores the fact that there very well might be a vocal minority of ninjas who indeed say QUAH at every opportunity.
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fair enough:)
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For anyone to insist that just because a vast majority of ninjas might not say QUAH is obsurd, and only ignores the fact that there very well might be a vocal minority of ninjas who indeed say QUAH at every opportunity.
"TIME OUT"
Being a member of the 80th and a freind of ROX, puts me in a position where I hesitate to comment. so I won't.
But the above is great sig material, and very funny!
"YOU MAY CONTINUE"
Don
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I wrote comedy for 25 years.
Comedy makes you laugh.
What's above makes people (who re-read it 2 or 3 times) scratch their head & wonder "somebody bothered to take the time to actually write that chunk of truthless, worthless text?"
ROX
I believe this, I laugh at pretty much every post ROX makes !
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"I believe that a Jokers Jokers member has the event recorded as he reported on vox 269."
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Why would you go on the squad's vox,when you could just pm the CO or the person who spied.
I am in the squad which "JohnnyJr" is in(or used to be in),but our CO kicked him out soon after he learned of this.
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And I've heard that each country has at least 3 spies.(which I think too)
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And I've heard that each country has at least 3 spies.(which I think too)
I heard you can bite your finger as hard as you can a carrot.
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And I've heard that each country has at least 3 spies.(which I think too)
LMFAO hahahahaha
:noid :noid :noid
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It's still the chute shooting that bothers me, until you fix that, spy away!
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We have a tactic for this..
we call it the ..
HORDE
Overwelm them with superior numbers
and ruin their fun! There's nothing
better then rolling over the cheaters. :)
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Wow, this useless thread is still going! :rock
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* ducks in to make sure humanity is still insane *
check
* leaves after confirmation *
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Last night we ran a mission. It was directed at a small Bish base that I'd been watching and had not had any activity for the hour or two I'd been on.
So about 1 min or two after we advertised for the mission a small dar lit up at this base. We ended up spawning and allowing the goons to roll ahead. I looked at my timer on my Saitek throttle and figured out how long it would take the Bish who upped to fly directly to the base we were launching from. Sure as anything as soon as we launched here came this guy after flying a straight line right to us. We shot him down and again he upped with his buddies. Now there were a few bases we could have attacked but he flew straight at us again, anyway the mission was blown by a cheat. Ive never seen such an obvious cheat. Now what do you think the odds are of him upping from that small base "no activity for hours", at that exact time, and flying his typhie directly to the base we were upping from?
1,000 to 1? 10,000 to 1?
His name is Tralfazz and hes a cheat, along with his buddies. Here, maybe you forgot http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,237929.0.html
I know its just a game but basically its at a point you cant even run public missions anymore. Dredger was right, this guy is a cheat.
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I spy, with my little eye, something beginning witthhhh..... R.
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I spy, with my little eye, something beginning witthhhh..... R.
rabbit?
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Nope!
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ravioli?!!!? :noid
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mmmmm.... ravioli....
nope!
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rstang hax and furball has a spy avatard?
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Last night we ran a mission. It was directed at a small Bish base that I'd been watching and had not had any activity for the hour or two I'd been on.
So about 1 min or two after we advertised for the mission a small dar lit up at this base. We ended up spawning and allowing the goons to roll ahead. I looked at my timer on my Saitek throttle and figured out how long it would take the Bish who upped to fly directly to the base we were launching from. Sure as anything as soon as we launched here came this guy after flying a straight line right to us. We shot him down and again he upped with his buddies. Now there were a few bases we could have attacked but he flew straight at us again, anyway the mission was blown by a cheat. Ive never seen such an obvious cheat. Now what do you think the odds are of him upping from that small base "no activity for hours", at that exact time, and flying his typhie directly to the base we were upping from?
1,000 to 1? 10,000 to 1?
His name is Tralfazz and hes a cheat, along with his buddies. Here, maybe you forgot http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,237929.0.html
I know its just a game but basically its at a point you cant even run public missions anymore. Dredger was right, this guy is a cheat.
dude.....spyingh is not cheating. it gave you all good fights, right? so ya still had fun.
spying is part of war. this game emulates war....specifically the air combat portion of itr, but war nontheless.
if ya REALLY wanna have fun.......get yer trusted squaddies in the o club..or on a private vox channel, and plan your mission. then go ahead and advertise a mission to base XX. as soon as you see them launching to come to the advertised mission, laun ch the real one.
improvise dude.
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Tralfazz is just a Petty Bozo in our spying division. On this evidence he deserves a promotion. :salute
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The clowns doing it for evil intent will scream their heads off on the boards to high heaven.
If they weren't using it for evil intent, why would they even remotely care if it were changed?
Follow the "I ALWAYS switch countries to the lowest numbers for the best fights" BOZOS in-game. Make a note for a few weeks of what the countries they are on and the numbers at the time (take some roster screen shots) and find out that it's the biggest lie in the game. Over 75% of the time you will see them one of the biggest numbers countries.
The extremely few times they do switch to the lowest numbers....nobody trusts them worth a flip because they have seen them as an enemy most of the time.
PLEASE don't believe me, make note yourself and check the roster often.
You might want to also take note of how many times they are on one country--and how many times one or more of their squaddies are on another.
You don't have to be Einstein to figure out what they are doing.
But...it's their 15 bucks. Let 'em do what they want.
ROX
dude, seriously...no one but a few of the 14 year olds are taking anything you post seriously anymore. You have a superiority complex that is almost too big to fathom.
Now you have a big hate of people trying to keep the teams even? Jeez. How old are you?
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HTC can do nothing about it.
And to make matters worse, you can have Vent up and talk normally to your squad, same country or not.
A sad fact of life for us.
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dude.....spyingh is not cheating. it gave you all good fights, right? so ya still had fun.
spying is part of war. this game emulates war....specifically the air combat portion of itr, but war nontheless.
if ya REALLY wanna have fun.......get yer trusted squaddies in the o club..or on a private vox channel, and plan your mission. then go ahead and advertise a mission to base XX. as soon as you see them launching to come to the advertised mission, laun ch the real one.
improvise dude.
Thanks dude, really. I mean that dude.
I got an idea. Have one of your squaddies become a bish and wait until the Rooks organize a mission. THEN tell your squaddies exactly where the mission is going, what its made up of, who is in it, and what Alt they are at. That way you can take the time to land your kills, take a wee, mix a pina-colada, and still up a Typhie in plenty of time to come screaming down on the rook NOE mission and get a bunch of easy kills.
I mean "why not" dude? Its fun getting easy kills and busting up missions. And easy too, all you have to have is a squaddie or pal on the enemy side and send cross channel messages. This way you can get all sorts of perk points, to go along with your vulches, and do so safely because you have every advantage.
And most of it "its fun" aint it dude? And safe cause Aces High doesnt care and neither does anyone else.
And any fight where you have all that "E" on an NOE mission is "fun" cause you really cant lose right? Dude? Best of all you can do it all night long, every day. Its as easy as sending one mate to each enemy team. And it doesnt stop with missions as you can inform on everything thats going on. Gee doesnt that sound swell?
BTW dude. Upping a plane or vehicle and looking out the window is "spying". Breaking the rules of the game is "cheating". if ya REALLY wanna have fun.......get yer trusted squaddies in the o club..or on a private vox channel, and plan your mission. then go ahead and advertise a mission to base XX. as soon as you see them launching to come to the advertised mission, laun ch the real one.
The problem with that Cap is the guy doing the cheating will then tell his buddies the little green dots are heading the other way. :D
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:cry :cry i want a milkrun!
why do aeroplanes keep upping when i go to bomb their buildings!? :(
:D
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And please do not tell me AH is war, because it is not, it is a War game. And games are ment to be fun and fair. While war is not ment to be either fair or fun.
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Im a silly little boy incapable of having an adult conversation. But Im OK with that, and you should be too.
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squeak :lol
anyway <points to avatar
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NOE vs NOE are great fun, even if it does ruin the basetake. And I like turtles.
:huh
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BTW dude. Upping a plane or vehicle and looking out the window is "spying". Breaking the rules of the game is "cheating".
I never read in the rules anything about NOT telling people from the other counties what was happening on my country. It happens, prepare for it, and move on. Not to tough to figure out.
Its not cheating. Its not very classy game play, but its not cheating.
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Hmmm. Was I a spy when I told on 200 where I was leading the SAPP 38 pilots last night? I think I told on us every time we upped.
Does that make me a regular spy Bozo or a double agent Bozo? :huh
I'm so confused! :cry
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dang it Guppy now I have a headache :furious
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Hmmm. Was I a spy when I told on 200 where I was leading the SAPP 38 pilots last night? I think I told on us every time we upped.
Does that make me a regular spy Bozo or a double agent Bozo? :huh
I'm so confused! :cry
No, it means a promotion! Congratulations Cpt. Bozo.
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I never read in the rules anything about NOT telling people from the other counties what was happening on my country. It happens, prepare for it, and move on. Not to tough to figure out.
Its not cheating. Its not very classy game play, but its not cheating.
Haha, yaknow what? Your right. I cant find any rule about this. I always assumed there was one. :lol Thats funny.
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Incapable of having adult conversation? I am not the one crying about a game. Cheer up tiny tears, have some fun - heck, will even let you wing with me some time ;)
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Incapable of having adult conversation? I am not the one crying about a game. Cheer up tiny tears, have some fun - heck, will even let you wing with me some time ;)
Don't do it rich, BKs suck.
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Don't do it rich, BKs suck.
Even more reason to do it. Me love you long time.
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And I've heard that each country has at least 3 spies.(which I think too)
I nominate you for mvs!
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ROX
dont feel bad dude...your original post was right on and they know it. The only honest one has been ink who said "I am not always on the side with lowest numbers...unless the fights no good." My experience has been that many of these guys are rolling with the numbers as much as they say they don't.
Your posts are typically right on.
The reason you get ganged in here is becuase most of the guys who would agree with you actually PLAY the game more than they troll these boards. Its amazing how many of these guys invest more time on these boards then they do in the game.
Im sure we could analyze them and figure out their childhoods left them in a place where they dont value group accomplishment or enjoy the comradery that the game offers. Thus leaving them with the lowest common denominator which is to up a plane and point it at another plane over and over again til its late enough at night that the Cinemax after Dark has begun and another self pleasuring opportunity presents itself.... But I'm sure we would be just making irresponsible accusations and suggesting we should TELL others how to enjoy themselves in a way that would make them feel inferior....AND THAT WOULD BE WRONG!!!
Well I digress...and that means its time to wipe BEFORE i pull up my pants (took me awhile) :rock
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ROX
dont feel bad dude...your original post was right on and they know it. The only honest one has been ink who said "I am not always on the side with lowest numbers...unless the fights no good." My experience has been that many of these guys are rolling with the numbers as much as they say they don't.
Your posts are typically right on.
The reason you get ganged in here is becuase most of the guys who would agree with you actually PLAY the game more than they troll these boards. Its amazing how many of these guys invest more time on these boards then they do in the game.
Im sure we could analyze them and figure out their childhoods left them in a place where they dont value group accomplishment or enjoy the comradery that the game offers. Thus leaving them with the lowest common denominator which is to up a plane and point it at another plane over and over again til its late enough at night that the Cinemax after Dark has begun and another self pleasuring opportunity presents itself.... But I'm sure we would be just making irresponsible accusations and suggesting we should TELL others how to enjoy themselves in a way that would make them feel inferior....AND THAT WOULD BE WRONG!!!
Well I digress...and that means its time to wipe BEFORE i pull up my pants (took me awhile) :rock
Yeah, I've never switched countries. I spy all of the time. I suck in the game, so I must not be believed. What these threads tell me is "stay in Rookland, your help or camaraderie is not wanted." Kinda pathetic to have call this a "Community" when the "Adults" act like it's their first day of Kindergarten and found the secret toy.
I've never claimed to be superior, only one being has that right in my eyes and it isn't in the human form. I'm in the Arenas just about every evening, I guess I'm playing another game named "aces high"? :uhoh
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ROX
dont feel bad dude...your original post was right on and they know it. The only honest one has been ink who said "I am not always on the side with lowest numbers...unless the fights no good." My experience has been that many of these guys are rolling with the numbers as much as they say they don't.
Your posts are typically right on.
The reason you get ganged in here is becuase most of the guys who would agree with you actually PLAY the game more than they troll these boards. Its amazing how many of these guys invest more time on these boards then they do in the game.
Im sure we could analyze them and figure out their childhoods left them in a place where they dont value group accomplishment or enjoy the comradery that the game offers. Thus leaving them with the lowest common denominator which is to up a plane and point it at another plane over and over again til its late enough at night that the Cinemax after Dark has begun and another self pleasuring opportunity presents itself.... But I'm sure we would be just making irresponsible accusations and suggesting we should TELL others how to enjoy themselves in a way that would make them feel inferior....AND THAT WOULD BE WRONG!!!
Well I digress...and that means its time to wipe BEFORE i pull up my pants (took me awhile) :rock
anyone hear a sucking noise? :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
Falcon, his post must have been right on for you. Don't speak for everyone else though, thats just rude.
I'd say my social skills are a bit more developed. I've made friends on all the teams. You guys just seem to want people to hate.
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Follow the "I ALWAYS switch countries to the lowest numbers for the best fights" BOZOS in-game.
Ok...I'll be more specific.
LYING Bozos.
Hey...again it's their $15 bucks.
If they want to lie about it in a public forum they have to expect that eventually someone is going to call them on it.
ROX
I said I switch sides to the lowest numbers when I log on EVERY time. This makes me a bozo, and probably a lying bozo? I want you to call me on it. Go ahead. I fly in LW orange. Here's my country breakdown so far this tour. Go ahead, call me on it, watch the roster for me.
Country Kills As Kills Of
Bishop 219 53
Knight 58 182
Rook 115 157
Country Killed As Killed By
Bishop 16 1
Knight 2 10
Rook 4 11
nobody trusts them worth a flip because they have seen them as an enemy most of the time.
:huh
Actually, no one accuses me of spying and I most often get greetings from friendly folk who are glad I switched. There are great people on all three teams and my side switching habits have given me the good fortune of meeting them. :
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"nobody trusts them worth a flip because they have seen them as an enemy most of the time."
Odd.. I'm flying more than 90% of my time on rooks side.
But when I switched to Knights earlier today to support Chris3's mission I didn't hear a bad word. I was killed by Banshee7 (Rook) who was incredibly happy about that fence-jump which gave him the opportunity to send me and my 262 down in flames.
I stayed for some time after the mission, defended fields, ran from bish hordes and helped killing a rook buff mission. No rook complained. Nor did the Knight guys I usually shoot down a few times per month refused to wing up or help me hunting down that cunning Bish Tiger.
I guess none of them had taken notice of that "Do not trust side switcher's!" posters everywhere...
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I would say 9 out of 10 players are simply interested in having fun playing the game.
I dont think sideswitchers are automatically cheaters. Its their $16 so they can play the way they want. Sideswitchers are no more prone to cheat then anyone else. Until I saw this latest act Ive never even called anyone a "cheater" before.
And deep down the rest of us really dont want to believe any of us would take this so serious they would revert to the Tralfazz act. Who would possibly care that much about rank and score? But...there are a few squads who take that K/D stuff very seriously. But 99% of players just dont care that much about it to get that gamey. And why not just do it on pure skill? There are guys who rank very high just on pure skill.
Aces High should get a handle on this but I suspect they wont. They are actually kinda hands off, which isnt that bad a thing. I myself think they run the game pretty well.
Furball do you babble nonsense on the vox like you do here?
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Yeah, I've never switched countries. I spy all of the time. I suck in the game, so I must not be believed. What these threads tell me is "stay in Rookland, your help or camaraderie is not wanted." Kinda pathetic to have call this a "Community" when the "Adults" act like it's their first day of Kindergarten and found the secret toy.
I've never claimed to be superior, only one being has that right in my eyes and it isn't in the human form. I'm in the Arenas just about every evening, I guess I'm playing another game named "aces high"? :uhoh
karaya
your being a little defensive dude....you know i consider you a friend and i hope you know my broadstrokes are not pointed at anyone in particular. unfortunately many of the smaller strokes seem all pointed at ROX and im not sure that is fair either.
i'll leave you all with a little William S. "Me thinks tho doth protest too much" :rock
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karaya
your being a little defensive dude....you know i consider you a friend and i hope you know my broadstrokes are not pointed at anyone in particular. unfortunately many of the smaller strokes seem all pointed at ROX and im not sure that is fair either.
i'll leave you all with a little William S. "Me thinks tho doth protest too much" :rock
You went over the top on another post. If you're gonna be at SHawk's Saturday. I'll fill you in on some things.
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Hmmm. Was I a spy when I told on 200 where I was leading the SAPP 38 pilots last night? I think I told on us every time we upped.
Does that make me a regular spy Bozo or a double agent Bozo? :huh
I'm so confused! :cry
Its very easy to figure it out, were you on the side with the lowest numbers? After all if your lieing about that, you most likely would have been lieing about everything else, so all the 38's they ran into must have just be coincidental.
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Furball do you babble nonsense on the vox like you do here?
Mommy doesn't let me talk to the puter.
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Mommy doesn't let me talk to the puter.
:rofl
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Im sure we could analyze them and figure out their childhoods left them in a place where they dont value group accomplishment or enjoy the comradery that the game offers.
A rather large assumption on your part, which is more likely a "poke in the eye" statement to generate a response ... and with that I will respond.
When ever I switch countries, I always have camaraderie with the team that I am flying with. Over the years, and from switching sides, I have built up friendships on all countries, so that when I join a side ... people who I have killed or have been killed by ... will wing up and have a blast.
Had I had a myopic one country attitude ... I probably wouldn't have met at least 66% of the people that I know and enjoy flying with. So, those who don't switch are only realizing 33% of the camaraderie that is available to them.
I don't think that I have ever been shunned after switching to a different side ... it is the "smack" talkers that usually will not be greeted with open arms when switching. Once you take this game to a personal level ... as a lot do ... you limit yourself to making new friends .. regardless of which chess piece they fly for.
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"nobody trusts them worth a flip because they have seen them as an enemy most of the time."
Odd.. I'm flying more than 90% of my time on rooks side.
But when I switched to Knights earlier today to support Chris3's mission I didn't hear a bad word. I was killed by Banshee7 (Rook) who was incredibly happy about that fence-jump which gave him the opportunity to send me and my 262 down in flames.
I stayed for some time after the mission, defended fields, ran from bish hordes and helped killing a rook buff mission. No rook complained. Nor did the Knight guys I usually shoot down a few times per month refused to wing up or help me hunting down that cunning Bish Tiger.
I guess none of them had taken notice of that "Do not trust side switcher's!" posters everywhere...
This takes the virtual cake for being one of the most devoid of reality posts....EVER. Our resident condecending know-it-all wins a gold medal this time. :aok
Do you actually (and I guess he does) believe that when you fly rook 90% of the time and then switch countries that people on that country are going to actually come out and SAY they don't trust you? Who do you think you are kidding?
I wouldn't do it. That would seem rude to me.
I'd tell my squaddies on red text, but I'd never mention it to you.
I'd PM a few friends, but I'd never mention it to you.
You are essentially the guy walking around the office with a piece of used toilet paper stuck to his shoe...everyone else is whispering about it behind your back--but they aren't going to tell you.
Why in the world should someone who you see as an enemy 90% of the time be trusted? Seems pretty stupid, doesn't it? Knock-knock-knock...Hellllloooooo?......McFly???
Besides, who would trust somebody who's just out for their own personal score anyway?
I wouldn't trust that person as far as I could throw them.
The guy who would die 10 times to clear someone else's six get's my :salute At least there is some honor to that.
Anyway, good luck to the score-potatos....it's your 15 bucks a month...knock yourself out...play however you want.
BTW: nobody EVER swaps sides to make note of cv locations, sit in shore batteries and not fire, sit in on missions and cross country PM back to the other country mission details, etc. EVER. It simply never happens. Even talking about it NEVER happens. Or better yet, suckering some poor noob to defect and cross country PM back information....that never happens either. Or get on a second account and gather information and then play on their main account--NEVER happens. It's all conjured up hearsay with no basis in fact--NEVER happens. We all know this to be gospel truth and cannot be disputed.
PS- Steve, you might want to re-read my posts before flinging poo. I never said that all sidehoppers did it with eveil intent, I said a small handfull do. If you do do it with evil intent, please feel free to feel offended, you deserve it. If you side hop for fun and not for evil intent then you have ZERO reason to feel offended. Please re-read...I think you just misunderstood something.
PSS. Bongaroo, step away from the Hippie Lettuce. I LOVE the "well, even though I have no personal beef with ROX, everybody ELSE is piling on, so I'll hop in with a completely senseless post and pile on too" take. The premise for that was so weak it died of malnutrition months ago. Going around stoned and thoughtless is no way to live life son.
ROX
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This takes the virtual cake for being one of the most devoid of reality posts....EVER. Our resident condecending know-it-all wins a gold medal this time. :aok
Personally, what you posted earlier (that's it below) far outstrips Luche's post when it comes to being devoid of reality.
The clowns doing it for evil intent will scream their heads off on the boards to high heaven.
If they weren't using it for evil intent, why would they even remotely care if it were changed?
Follow the "I ALWAYS switch countries to the lowest numbers for the best fights" BOZOS in-game. Make a note for a few weeks of what the countries they are on and the numbers at the time (take some roster screen shots) and find out that it's the biggest lie in the game. Over 75% of the time you will see them one of the biggest numbers countries.
The extremely few times they do switch to the lowest numbers....nobody trusts them worth a flip because they have seen them as an enemy most of the time.
If you really believe what you have posted, you should consider increasing the dosage of your medication and applying more aluminum foil to your helmet. :noid
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Why in the world should someone who you see as an enemy 90% of the time be trusted? Seems pretty stupid, doesn't it? Knock-knock-knock...Hellllloooooo?......McFly???
You know that the guy using the Hello McFly line in the movies was the bad guy, kinda dumb himself, and ended up covered in crap at the end of every movie?
:rofl :rofl :rofl
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You know that the guy using the Hello McFly line in the movies was the bad guy, kinda dumb himself, and ended up covered in crap at the end of every movie?
:rofl :rofl :rofl
Don't quit your day job. Now get back to work!
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PSS. Bongaroo, step away from the Hippie Lettuce. I LOVE the "well, even though I have no personal beef with ROX, everybody ELSE is piling on, so I'll hop in with a completely senseless post and pile on too" take. The premise for that was so weak it died of malnutrition months ago. Going around stoned and thoughtless is no way to live life son.
ROX
As I've said before and will now say again. You talked smack about my friends so I'll talk it back. Can't handle the poo getting flinged back? Welcome to the intardwebs :D
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When ever I switch countries, I always have camaraderie with the team that I am flying with. Over the years, and from switching sides, I have built up friendships on all countries, so that when I join a side ... people who I have killed or have been killed by ... will wing up and have a blast.
Had I had a myopic one country attitude ... I probably wouldn't have met at least 66% of the people that I know and enjoy flying with. So, those who don't switch are only realizing 33% of the camaraderie that is available to them.
I don't think that I have ever been shunned after switching to a different side ... it is the "smack" talkers that usually will not be greeted with open arms when switching. Once you take this game to a personal level ... as a lot do ... you limit yourself to making new friends .. regardless of which chess piece they fly for.
Slapshot :salute
I think that folks have bent the topic so far out of shape that they don't even remember the original premise.
I am not saying you don't have your Cod given right to switch sides. There are many excellent squads that rotate sides ever quarter or even once a tour. Those squads do it so they don't get into a rut, and end up recruiting a far wider range of squaddies over just staying on one country. I'm not sayting there's anything wrong with that.
Ever see someone in the express lane on a Interstate Highway slam on the brakes--cross three lanes of traffic and get off at an exit, almost causing three accidents in the process? Didn't they know where they were going when they left the house? Same thing in this game. You see people who side hop 4-5 times in an afternoon.
Back in Air Warrior if you changed sides you had to wait 24 hours to switch back. Good rule. It forced players to make a phreeking decision: who are you going to play for today.
Yes, there are a small handfull who swap sides for evil intent. If that doesn't describe you, then no one has a problem with you. Swap sides from time to time, get to know other people, knock yourself out...no one should begrudge you of that if that's what you like to do. Others, like Steve seem to like that option. If that's your bag---go for it.
The original poster (as well as myself) have a problem with the evil minority of side hoppers who do it with evil intent. Closing cross country PM and extending the length of time someone can side hop and get back would help.
What flighty person needs to side hop 4 times in one afternoon?
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Rox, what's with all the anger towards Lusche? Did he fail to spend several hours of his personal time trying to help you out with whatever problem you had in the Help/Training forum or something?
:huh
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Why in the world should someone who you see as an enemy 90% of the time be trusted? Seems pretty stupid, doesn't it? Knock-knock-knock...Hellllloooooo?......McFly???
Apparently, you consider the red guy an enemy... To me, he's just a target.
I think this difference in philosophy is pretty interesting.
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As I've said before and will now say again. You talked smack about my friends so I'll talk it back. Can't handle the poo getting flinged back? Welcome to the intardwebs :D
I truly feel sorry for this guy.
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The last time I checked, the guy on the other team in this GAME wasn't an "enemy" but an opponent. I switch sides often, and none of my former opponents have any beef with me.
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What flighty person needs to side hop 4 times in one afternoon?
Four times, probably not many... 2 or 3? Sure, I've done that.
If you're on long enough in one day, the arena numbers can fluctuate greatly over the course of that day.
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Rox, what's with all the anger towards Lusche? Did he fail to spend several hours of his personal time trying to help you out with whatever problem you had in the Help/Training forum or something?
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Apparently, you consider the red guy an enemy... To me, he's just a target.
I think this difference in philosophy is pretty interesting.
No anger, no anger at all.
When some posts something so rediculous it's kind of funny.
He's not part of the problem, so it's odd he feels compelled to post in an attempt to somehow damage my credibility.
It's very true, I see it a lot. People who swap sides a lot and nobody calls them out on it on country text. Most of the time people are very civil to them.
I don't see people being rude to them.
But I don't see anyone trusting them either.
There are exceptions. A couple of months ago when people who were clueless to what the Alliance Missions were all about and getting on the forums and bashing the Knights Alliance and roasting me--SkyRock came knights and joined one of our missions. I got more PM's than I had ever seen. It was an ocean of white text, all about SkyRock being in the mission. Rather than be like those who roasted us on the boards, SkyRock wanted to fly with us and actually observe what we do. Most of the folks in the mission we're freaking, thinking that SkyRock was a "spy". From what I see of SkyRock's charactor on the forums and in-game I never believed it for a minute. SkyRock flew with us from beginning to end and wittnessed a textbook Alliance 6:52 base take. We all saluted SkyRock and thanked him for making the effort. He flew knights for about another half hour then went back. It's something I appreciate to this day.
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This is all fixable. One side change per 24 hrs and no cross country comms except 200. Then make a 1 strike and out policy.
I dont switch, can you do it as often as you like now?
Because "now" you can either tell all your Pals exactly what their "opponents" are doing, and where. Or you can just switch sides your ownself and run up perks and your rank easily. And there isn't even a rule against it.
Its just ridiculous the way things are now. Just silly. :lol
I kinda feel for those guys who play for their rank, their own or their squads, and do so legitimately.
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Cheating, Its gonna happen, deal with it. Its funny this is already a 60 post thread, all about a handfull of people spying. Its a game, god. If you get frusterated by a select few then Its time to log. I think people take this game a little too seriously.
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This is all fixable. One side change per 24 hrs and no cross country comms except 200. Then make a 1 strike and out policy.
I dont switch, can you do it as often as you like now?
Because "now" you can either tell all your Pals exactly what their "opponents" are doing, and where. Or you can just switch sides your ownself and run up perks and your rank easily. And there isn't even a rule against it.
Its just ridiculous the way things are now. Just silly. :lol
I agree rich, but be prepared---
You will be roasted on a spit by the exact same people who use the current loopholes for evil purposes.
Nice to meet ya :salute We can toast marshmellows off each other :aok
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Cheating, Its gonna happen, deal with it. Its funny this is already a 60 post thread, all about a handfull of people spying. Its a game, god. If you get frusterated by a select few then Its time to log. I think people take this game a little too seriously.
Well...you are mis-labeling it.
Your not supposed to use the "C" word, because it's technically not the "C" word, it's just extremely slimey gameplay.
What you may not be aware of is that the same people who do it get on the boards and lie about it.
On top of that, they attack anyone on the boards who exposes the slimey gameplay and then lies about it.
Do you are about your own integrity?
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:salute
There will still be cheaters. Phone calls are cheap. But it will be a lot harder and AH will have made a statement about it.
CAN? you change sides as often as you like now? Or is there a limit in place?
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This is all fixable. One side change per 24 hrs and no cross country comms except 200. Then make a 1 strike and out policy.
I like the ability to PM people from the other country and talk about fights/family/life/stuff like that. I have a lot of friends in this game flying on the different chess pieces, and I don't feel like hogging 200 as my personal chatroom with them.
In fact I wish more people would use PM's.
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The time limit for switching sides has been fairly recently reduced for a number of well-argued and thought out reasons. It used to be much longer than it is today, and that is a bad thing.
The side switching is a great tool for people who want to help balance the game out, or try something new.
It's also good for training purposes. Once, after a few hours of TA instruction, TC took a classmate and me out for a MA sortie to put the training into practice in the MA environment. Some of us had to switch countries for awhile. If one of us had squadnight or something along those lines later on that night, it might have been hard for us to do that.
The good of lessened side switching times (balance, playability, training, comraderie, etc.), outweighs the "bad" (missions coming across opposition).
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Ok so its the lieing about it thats getting us all worked up? Why would you lie on a game anyway? The people dont even know you, so whats to hide?
Im with you on this one rox.
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Slapshot :salute
I think that folks have bent the topic so far out of shape that they don't even remember the original premise.
I am not saying you don't have your Cod given right to switch sides. There are many excellent squads that rotate sides ever quarter or even once a tour. Those squads do it so they don't get into a rut, and end up recruiting a far wider range of squaddies over just staying on one country. I'm not sayting there's anything wrong with that.
Ever see someone in the express lane on a Interstate Highway slam on the brakes--cross three lanes of traffic and get off at an exit, almost causing three accidents in the process? Didn't they know where they were going when they left the house? Same thing in this game. You see people who side hop 4-5 times in an afternoon.
Back in Air Warrior if you changed sides you had to wait 24 hours to switch back. Good rule. It forced players to make a phreeking decision: who are you going to play for today.
Yes, there are a small handfull who swap sides for evil intent. If that doesn't describe you, then no one has a problem with you. Swap sides from time to time, get to know other people, knock yourself out...no one should begrudge you of that if that's what you like to do. Others, like Steve seem to like that option. If that's your bag---go for it.
The original poster (as well as myself) have a problem with the evil minority of side hoppers who do it with evil intent. Closing cross country PM and extending the length of time someone can side hop and get back would help.
What flighty person needs to side hop 4 times in one afternoon?
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True ... a rambling topic tends to loose it's focus.
I think the reason that some of us (side-switchers) are being vocal is due to the fact that we don't want to be painted with the "broad brush", nor do we want to see those who contemplate switching sides to balance or look for a good fight, not do so because they might be publicly chastised, in game, for doing so.
Also, I don't think that myself, Steve, Corky, and a few others here would ever deny the fact that some use the "side switching" for purposes other than what it is meant for ... I have seen it for myself.
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I like the ability to PM people from the other country and talk about fights/family/life/stuff like that. I have a lot of friends in this game flying on the different chess pieces, and I don't feel like hogging 200 as my personal chatroom with them.
In fact I wish more people would use PM's.
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The time limit for switching sides has been fairly recently reduced for a number of well-argued and thought out reasons. It used to be much longer than it is today, and that is a bad thing.
The side switching is a great tool for people who want to help balance the game out, or try something new.
It's also good for training purposes. Once, after a few hours of TA instruction, TC took a classmate and me out for a MA sortie to put the training into practice in the MA environment. Some of us had to switch countries for awhile. If one of us had squadnight or something along those lines later on that night, it might have been hard for us to do that.
The good of lessened side switching times (balance, playability, training, comraderie, etc.), outweighs the "bad" (missions coming across opposition).
Why wouldnt you want your mission to be intercepted? It just creates good fights for everybody. I know I wish every one of my missions was intercepted, So it would be more of a challenge, the games about having fun not "capturing bases".
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True ... a rambling topic tends to loose it's focus.
I think the reason that some of us (side-switchers) are being vocal is due to the fact that we don't want to be painted with the "broad brush", nor do we want to see those who contemplate switching sides to balance or look for a good fight, not do so because they might be publicly chastised, in game, for doing so.
Also, I don't think that myself, Steve, Corky, and a few others here would ever deny the fact that some use the "side switching" for purposes other than what it is meant for ... I have seen it for myself.
Slap :salute
It's still amazing to see the folks who insist they and their squads always switch to the side with the lowest numbers, yet how many times have you seen the exact same people habitually on the side with the largest numbers?
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Slap :salute
It's still amazing to see the folks who insist they and their squads always switch to the side with the lowest numbers, yet how many times have you seen the exact same people habitually on the side with the largest numbers?
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Truth be told ... I too will stay on the high number side ... but always be fighting against the second high number side.
Knights ... 100
Rooks ... 85
Bish ... 30
If I log in as a Knight, I will stay there first and check out the Rook front and if the fights are decent and numerous ... I see no need to change.
If both the Knights and Rooks are slamming the Bish ... I will go Bish ... or if the Rooks are ignoring the Knights and slamming the Bish ... I will go Bish.
:salute
PS: Also, if I was flying for the Knights for a couple of hours and decided to jump ... I will more than likely not fight the Knight front for at least a couple of hours.
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Why wouldnt you want your mission to be intercepted? It just creates good fights for everybody. I know I wish every one of my missions was intercepted, So it would be more of a challenge, the games about having fun not "capturing bases".
It's about both. If it weren't you would never see another side take your bases.
Why would you want to see your mission chewed up? I plan and lead lots of missions and if the bombers get chewed up it's impossible to win the objective.
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Why wouldnt you want your mission to be intercepted? It just creates good fights for everybody. I know I wish every one of my missions was intercepted, So it would be more of a challenge, the games about having fun not "capturing bases".
Conversly ... If your planned mission was to be stealthy ... and some "griefer" let the cat out of the bag ... then the "fun" of all those who joined the mission has just been ruined ... "fun" is a double edged sword ... it cuts both ways.
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Conversly ... If your planned mission was to be stealthy ... and some "griefer" let the cat out of the bag ... then the "fun" of all those who joined the mission has just been ruined ... "fun" is a double edged sword ... it cuts both ways.
Been there--had that happen.
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Conversly ... If your planned mission was to be stealthy ... and some "griefer" let the cat out of the bag ... then the "fun" of all those who joined the mission has just been ruined ... "fun" is a double edged sword ... it cuts both ways.
I dont mind if its intercepted, but if everyone get a good, fun, fight, and we still dont capture the base, the mission was still succesful. The game is about having FUN.
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couple of points.
There are obviously people who spy. Guess it is what they like to do, I have a hard time understanding why they do it, why it is fun, and why the spend time doing it...That said, I have a hard time understanding why people do many things in this game. However, I can somewhat relate to the feeling that only a small group of people will intentionally set out to grief another group, has happened to many of us. It may not always being spying, but the method does not so much matter. It's the lack of respect for the rest of the community.
No one likes to be painted with a broad brush. No one likes to be falsely accused of things. On top of that, no one likes to be falsely accused of on-goings that they don't care about to begin with. When you paint with a broad brush, then add words like liars, bozo's, trouble childhood, loser, etc...you are bound to get some form of response. You go far beyond how someone plays the game, and start getting into the realm of personal attack. Many have thick skin and don't get upset, but they aren't going to turn the other cheek either and will gladly play along.
In your example of skyrock above, I've known him for a long time, flown with him in 2 squads and had quite a few conversations with him. What would have happened if while flying in your mission, someone from his squad had ran into in accidently. Somehow I have a feeling, though he didn't relay any information, he would have been on the recieving end of more than a few comments. I just use an example like this to point out, that missions get busted in many ways, some of it is luck, some of it is noticing a quick bar which disappears quickly. Some of it involves others fanning out and running recon in fast planes. Sadly this same luck and circumstances can be immediately blown way outta proportion. There are many ways, and just happening to come upon a mission, doesn't mean it was ratted out, no matter how well planned.
As far as being trusted, is just not something I worry about. In my experience, the few missions I join, I usually made by people I know, who I'd like to fly with, and who are attacking a target that seems fun. If I joined a mission (very rare), and a bunch of people freaked out, start talking behind my back, making false assumptions and the like, oh well, I'm just not going to be bothered by someone elses paranoia.
In the end, spying is going to be here, as it has been for many many years. I just don't see the point of trying to take away privilages of 99% of the population, because %1 are idiots. I personally think there is way to much emphasis on this whole topic, far too many allogations supported by "evidence" victimizes honest people being caught (depending on your view) in the wrong place and the wrong time. Long post, just wanted to convey my thoughts.
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Simple question.
Lets say that side switching was limited to 24 hours. Who does it benefit and hurt the most?
In all honesty I could care less about missions, base taking or the war. Outside of scenario play, it means nothing to me.
What happens on those nights when someone like me logs in and I'm a Rook to start that night and the Rooks have 140 players, the Knits have 80 and the Bish have 65. I've seen it look that way many times with different countries having the numbers on different nights.
How does it improve gameplay if the numbers are stacked on one side, steam rolling a lower numbers country? Would it not be more fun for those guys to have someone to fight?
Or is the 'war' the only thing that matters, not the fight?
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I wonder how many resets it will take for people to realize that you don't really "win" anything?
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I wonder how many resets it will take for people to realize that you don't really "win" anything?
You are always right Mr Hippie Lettuce man...Bragging rights means absolutely nothing, as do 25 free perkies in every category for taking up a perk ride every now and again...It' all means nothing....please feel free to return to your bong.
EDIT: BTW: We knights don't win resets very often, about as often as lunar eclipses, so when we do it's a nice surprise.
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You are always right Mr Hippie Lettuce man...Bragging rights means absolutely nothing, as do 25 free perkies in every category for taking up a perk ride every now and again...It' all means nothing....please feel free to return to your bong.
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I'd be curious as to your thoughts on the post before Bongaroo
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Pluck, I'm glad to see you got it out. If none of what I've said applies to you, then there's absolutely nonthing for you to be offended about. If you were part of the problem, then the shoe fits. Personally, I don't remember at any time you being part of the problem.
Fact is the folks who are part of the problem know very well who they are.
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Guppy, 1 day would be a decent start. If someone is going to switch with evil intent being stuck there for 24 hours and not able to make a country change might make some of them think twice. They should be marooned there for a day if not longer.
If you really feel that "it's all about the fight not the war"--why not just stay in the Dueling Arena? That should be the place you are most happy...no war, no missions, just "good fights".
BTW: It's great to see this finally being discussed civilly.
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I'd be curious as to your thoughts on the post before Bongaroo
Sorry, I'm not understanding this statement (question)?
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Guppy, 1 day would be a decent start. If someone is going to switch with evil intent being stuck there for 24 hours and not able to make a country change might make some of them think twice. They should be marooned there for a day if not longer.
If you really feel that "it's all about the fight not the war"--why not just stay in the Dueling Arena? That should be the place you are most happy...no war, no missions, just "good fights".
BTW: It's great to see this finally being discussed civilly.
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OK to clarify.
-Do you believe the MA is in fact meant for fighting the 'war' and it really shouldn't be a place for folks who enjoy air combat to play?
-Does that mean you would divide the community into the "war" vs Air Combat?
-Do you believe that side balancing should not be considered?
-How would you manage the lack of balance in numbers?
Bottom line for me is I like the fight. When I log on and I'm on the high numbers team and all I see are large green bars hitting bases, I'd rather be flying against them then with them. I have folks I enjoy flying with and against in each 'country'. Defending a base against the crowd is far more enjoyable for me then capping a base while the vulch is in place or troops are on the way. I don't fly perk planes so points don't really concern me and in all honesty one base looks like another, and I couldn't tell you what map I'm on when I'm flying.
Again, Scenario flying is a different deal, and I think that those of us 'furballers' that fly scenarios have shown we can do the mission with the best of them if need be. But the MA isn't a scenario for me so my flying is different there.
I believe the MA is where the AH community meets. I believe it can contain many styles of play. To enforce a 24 hour time limit on side switching would support one style of play and negate others. I don't believe that's what HTC nor many of us in the community want.
How does it support the community if the goal is to force it apart?
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Pluck, I'm glad to see you got it out. If none of what I've said applies to you, then there's absolutely nonthing for you to be offended about. If you were part of the problem, then the shoe fits. Personally, I don't remember at any time you being part of the problem.
Fact is the folks who are part of the problem know very well who they are.
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Guppy, 1 day would be a decent start. If someone is going to switch with evil intent being stuck there for 24 hours and not able to make a country change might make some of them think twice. They should be marooned there for a day if not longer.
If you really feel that "it's all about the fight not the war"--why not just stay in the Dueling Arena? That should be the place you are most happy...no war, no missions, just "good fights".
BTW: It's great to see this finally being discussed civilly.
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The problem with a 24 hour side switch is that it would guarentee permanent imbalance. The sides would never equal or come close.
I have been with the 80th for just over a month and I can tell you for sure there is not a single person in the squad that I have seen that cares for anything other then finding a fair fight. We switch to the low side on a regular basis and are very aware of the current country numbers at all times, the only thing that slows a switch to the low side is if there are squadies that have to wait to be able to switch.
As far as missions go, they are here simply to start a fight and serve no other purpose, as do countrys, the war, winning the war, base taking or anything associated with it. personally I prefer the DA, my squadies don't, I would rather fly with the squad in the MA so I do when I can. frankly the MA has become a pool of overbearing ego and a constant stream of whineing.
We are not toolshedders, but it's ok for those that are, I see no practicle purpose for threads such as these, you play your game we'll play ours, if our paths cross on occasion thats part of the game, you win some you lose some thats the way the game is, thats the way all games are.
I see no need for accusations of cheat or slimey game play, I see no need for the constant use of the word liar, there is no excuse for making personal attacks on anyone, by anyone, piticularly if you will not name names when you make the attack. throwing insults around does nothing but make a bad situation worse.
And all this as if posting anything to the BBs would change anything anyway.
just my .02
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(Sorry the reply looks like this. It was the only way to answer and have it make sense as text)
OK to clarify.
-Do you believe the MA is in fact meant for fighting the 'war' and it really shouldn't be a place for folks who enjoy air combat to play?
Not entirely. To ignore that a base taking-strat bombing war is not going on around you seems a little crazy. That would be like
scheduling 100 boxing matches in public in downtown Fallusia. The MA IS "fighting the war". How I believe HT set it up is
that we're "fighting the war". Seems he wanted to make it as real as possible. If folks want to ignore the war is going on around them
just go off and fight random "duel" type situations inside that war they can do that as well. I am one of those players who thinks
and plays strategically. I can just look at a map and see where the most strategic and vulnerable targets are.
I'm not like you, I'm not a person who is really good in a specific fighter because I have never taken the time to learn that. And that's
cool if you have. For people like me, you have to be a jack-of-all trades, gvs, bombers, dive-bombers, buff driving. If folks want to
spend their $15 on just doing air combat in MA...knock themselves out. If they REALLY want to ignore the war--set up a permanent
tent in the Dueling Arena.
-Does that mean you would divide the community into the "war" vs Air Combat?
We already are. Take a look at these boards. There are folks who are strategic and take bases/bomb strats and win resets, and
there is another segment that just wants to furball, and there's yet another set that enjoys the meatgrinder that is Tank Town, then
there is yet another segment that does most of their talking in gv's ( a la LTARS).
-Do you believe that side balancing should not be considered?
Why? That's why they invented ENY. While ENY isn't perfect (and personally I don't like it) it's not going away. Besides as knights
we are usually outnumbered anyway. If the folks who say "I always fly for the side with the lowest numbers" were honest, they
would primarily be flying knights, but they don't. Bishops can have 25+ more people than us but you'll see them logged in as bishops
most of the time...and only rarely rooks.
-How would you manage the lack of balance in numbers?
I wouln't. I couldn't. People are people. Can you possibly balance the number of Republicans & Democrats & Independants? Face it
many players don't WANT to be the underdogs, so they rarely fly knights. So you have a constant ebb & flow of players between
bishops & rooks for the most numbers and knights get the rest. It has actually been a little better lately for the knights and I actually
saw a couple of days in the last 3 weekends where knights had the most. I've seen where rooks had 128, bishops had 124 and
knights had 89. Both sides are blitzkrieging the knight front and there are two rook/bish base front bases blinking. Where were the
"I always go to the lowest numbers side" people then??
Bottom line for me is I like the fight. When I log on and I'm on the high numbers team and all I see are large green bars hitting bases, I'd rather be flying against them then with them. I have folks I enjoy flying with and against in each 'country'. Defending a base against the crowd is far more enjoyable for me then capping a base while the vulch is in place or troops are on the way. I don't fly perk planes so points don't really concern me and in all honesty one base looks like another, and I couldn't tell you what map I'm on when I'm flying.
Then you'd absolutely, positively LOVE flying knights for awhile, I sincerely invite you to do so as I can't ever remember seeing you
in green. Can't say I have ever seen more than a couple of your squaddies that ever do either.
Again, Scenario flying is a different deal, and I think that those of us 'furballers' that fly scenarios have shown we can do the mission with the best of them if need be. But the MA isn't a scenario for me so my flying is different there.
Scenerios, snapshots, and especially FSO are awesome events--especially the historically accurate ones. It's one of the few times when
you have to strap in, throw on your game face and be as professional as possible. MA is Disney World compared to that, and Tank
Town is the log slide rides. Yipeeeeee.
I believe the MA is where the AH community meets. I believe it can contain many styles of play.
Can't agree more, and it already does
To enforce a 24 hour time limit on side switching would support one style of play and negate others. I don't believe that's what HTC nor many of us in the community want.
Many? the vast MAJORITY of the community doesn't even READ these forums much less post here. Heck, if the truth be known these
boards probably have more non-paying/non-playing people posting than $15 a month customers. And that doesn't even include
the iceberg of non-English speakers who subscribe.
They'd have to do it like a vote for new planes on-line. When a HTC customer logs in to play there's a MOTD where they could vote yes
or no. Otherwise you would never get an accurate and fair input of the REAL community.
"support one style of play and negate others?" There are currently two tools in the evil player's toolbox....the ability to side switch
almost at will and cross country PM. I say if you have something to say to someone in another country, do it on 200 where everyone
can see it. If you want to side switch PICK a country and spend at least 24 hours there. A mandatory waiting time frame would
end a lot of this crap we have going on now. Just how flighty does someone have to be to swap countries every hour? Tells me
it's not for "good fights" or even to "even the sides"...tells me they're up to no good.
If somebody's style of play is to swap sides and PM back information, that's pretty slimey. A lot of us would like to negate that.
And...just a kind bit of advice to evil and non-evil side hopers alike, it's just like I told Lusche. You may not realize it, and I'm
probably the first to tell you, but if you side hop on a regular basis, and if one minute they are winging with a person and 5 minutes
later you come over the horizon and kill them, you've pretty much thrown any semblance of loyalty or respect for you right out the
window. You are George Washington one minute and Benidict Arnold the next.
They'll tell squaddies you can't be trusted on red text...but they won't tell you.
They'll PM a friendly squad CO, but they won't tell you.
You become the guy at the office with the used toilet paper stuck to his shoe. Everybody is whispering about it behind your back
but they won't tell you.
Go to some country--PICK ONE.
Rotate every tour or every quarter, people respect that. The squads that do that get respect for it.
If trust & respect do not matter for you, then this whole thread is worthless information. I hope your not married if you feel that way.
Our 25th (31st of being together) anniversary is in October....trust, respect.
Don't you want to go to the CON or some local AH and know you have integrity as a player? Sure, the Finns got hammered and
played grabbehind in the sauna, but at least they knew each other had integrity as a player.
Sure, it's a game. We're all cartoon pilots in a cartoon world and nothing really matters. Or does it?
How we carry ourselves in the forums and in-game says a lot about our character and who we are in RL. Do you want that perception
to be that you can't be trusted? I'm not talking about rock solid loyalty to a chess piece. Just because I do it I don't expect anyone
(except my squaddies have agreed to because of all the inter-squad alliances we have forged) to do it.
Sure, it's your $15 a month. Play the "style of play" however you want. Just don't get on the forums and demand loyalty, trust
or respect if you haven't earned it in the game.
ROX
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The problem with a 24 hour side switch is that it would guarentee permanent imbalance. The sides would never equal or come close.
A HUGE :salute there Don.
There's always an imbalance now anyway.
Take any given weekend during prime time North America time and show me where Rooks 128/Bishops 124/Knights 89 has any semblance of balance?
Where are the guys who say they are sworn to keep the game balanced? Their Bishops.
ROX
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A HUGE :salute there Don.
There's always an imbalance now anyway.
Take any given weekend during prime time North America time and show me where Rooks 128/Bishops 124/Knights 89 has any semblance of balance?
Where are the guys who say they are sworn to keep the game balanced? Their Bishops.
ROX
Not us, if it were like that we would be Knit. but if it took 24 hours it would be that out of balance for at least that long
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Rooks are ALWAYS your example of Having numbers. Sorry, but it just is NOT true.
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I won't say that I am in the ma everynight, i'm not, but, I have seen each and every side have numbers at one time or another, the knit being out numbered all the time thing is no longer true, if it were the 80th would fly knit for the most part.
We fly the low side, it's what we do, we don't spy, we don't care, beleive me or not.
Don :salute
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Rox, I'm still not understanding what problem changing side switching to something (IMO rediculous) like 24 hours is really going to fix?
We live in the age of telecommunications!
Telephones, AIM, teamspeak, email, these very bulletin boards, all can be used while you're in the game!
It sucks that you have to deal with spies now and then. But your suggestion is not going to alleviate it one bit.
I understand that you're frustrated, and I'm sorry that some people are driving you nuts. I can definately see how you'd call them immature griefers... But try to look at the big picture here. Take a step back and take a good look.
Your proposition is not an idea that will fix anything you want it to.
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I won't say that I am in the ma everynight, i'm not, but, I have seen each and every side have numbers at one time or another, the knit being out numbered all the time thing is no longer true, if it were the 80th would fly knit for the most part.
We fly the low side, it's what we do, we don't spy, we don't care, beleive me or not.
Don :salute
Bozo! :devil
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Now rox is the one doing the roasting.
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You are always right Mr Hippie Lettuce man...Bragging rights means absolutely nothing, as do 25 free perkies in every category for taking up a perk ride every now and again...It' all means nothing....please feel free to return to your bong.
EDIT: BTW: We knights don't win resets very often, about as often as lunar eclipses, so when we do it's a nice surprise.
ROX
Wow. Mr Hippie Lettuce man? No offense but we need to get you an insult book or something because that is just weak.
Bragging rights? It's a cartoon game, bragging over it is like bragging about picking a big booger outta your nose.
25 free perks? Anyone taking the time to learn a little about how to dogfight or bomb properly can earn that in 2 flights
I'm surprised with how awesome you always tell us that the alliance is that knits aren't resetting more often. Isn't that what you guys are all about? Guess you can't do too much bragging in that case either.
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man, I really am being a jerk aren't I? ROX, your just too easy to troll. Have a nice night, maybe we'll see you in the MA?
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I wonder how many resets it will take for people to realize that you don't really "win" anything?
Your a little slow on the uptake so i'll type S-L-O-W-L-Y.
I've been playing since 1995...started with air warrior and been online ever since. Have been the C.O. of Birds Of Prey since about 1998. My main ride in AW AOL thru AW3 was the p38 because it was the best turnfiter in the game. In AW we had tournaments and 2v2s and ladders and I excelled in all those. Now here is the rub...I never "won anything" from being a l33t fyter pilot. Zippo! Nada! In 13 years i will estimate I averaged about 500 kills/month x 12 months x 13 years = 78,000 "kills". And when i was a "furballer" i probably averaged closer to 1000 kills/month so im guessing im way over 100,000 virtual kills in my "career". I still have no plaques or trophies to show for that.
So the truth here is NOBODY wins anything no matter how they play...the ONLY reason to play therefore is FUN.
Self righteous "bozos" or "fun nazis" (my preferred term) who enjoy posting in here dont realize that their kind has existed in every flight sim and every online game. They act like they are mavericks when in fact often they are too lazy to invest in or too undisciplined to want to belong to a team. I'll give you an example. I used to play TRIBEs when i needed a break from AW/AH. I could log onto any server and load up a heavy bot or a sniper and go plunging into action. I didn't join a "Clan" or stick with any server because i didnt want to feel any obligation. I just wanted to have fun. Now sometimes i had a blast and there were times when the other team were all "clan members" and i got my butt handed to me by guys working together. Now i guess i could have been a "fun nazi" and gone on the TRIBE bbs and told them how sorry they were to HAVE to work together to kill me. I guess I could have gone on their ch 200 and told them how they suck because it took 3 of them to kill me. But I had the INSIGHT to get the SIMPLE concept that they had taken the game to a different level and unless i was willing to invest more time and effort I would be at a disadvantage against more organized play. Now this isnt just a game concept..its a LIFE concept......
I will never understand people who 1) handicap themselves and 2) boast about handicapping themselves?? It seems like a desperate cry for attention....If you want to fly a f4u or p38...GREAT!!! Knock yourself out but dont expect any extra "respect" points for it. It doesn't work that way in real life and it makes NO sense in a game. I'm all about folks quietly challenging themselves but when they boast about it constantly then I begin to believe they are making excuses for being mediocre. To me it shows bad decision making and low self esteem.
I've never met a guy at a party who sees my smart beautiful wife and goes "sure it was easy to have a great family if you marry someone great. You suck...you should have married a stupid hag and then i would be impressed if you were successful!!" I've never played tournament chess against someone who removes his queen and then when he loses goes "well thats because you kept your queen you loser." Makes no sense?
I could care less if someone switches sides. Its their $15. But if they are doing it to grief you then it should be addressed. Virtual game play should be taken as seriously as RL game play. Noone would put up with cheating in a pickup basketball game or friday night poker table. I dont see why that is hard concept for people to grasp. In order for a GAME to be fun and relaxing it has to be fair.
For the "fun nazis" who HAVE to have cross-country vox because the 200 guys on the green team and the ch 200 aren't enough for them to talk too in order to have fun....then i guess YOUR fun is more important then a level playing field. Enough said...your commitment to the game is perfectly expresssed. :cool:
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I'm going to be honest. I didn't read a word of that past your SLOWLY insult because I couldn't care either way. But thanks for being so nice about it :rolleyes:
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A rather large assumption on your part, which is more likely a "poke in the eye" statement to generate a response ... and with that I will respond.
When ever I switch countries, I always have camaraderie with the team that I am flying with. Over the years, and from switching sides, I have built up friendships on all countries, so that when I join a side ... people who I have killed or have been killed by ... will wing up and have a blast.
Had I had a myopic one country attitude ... I probably wouldn't have met at least 66% of the people that I know and enjoy flying with. So, those who don't switch are only realizing 33% of the camaraderie that is available to them.
I don't think that I have ever been shunned after switching to a different side ... it is the "smack" talkers that usually will not be greeted with open arms when switching. Once you take this game to a personal level ... as a lot do ... you limit yourself to making new friends .. regardless of which chess piece they fly for.
If you play an online video game to increase your stable of "virtual friends" then I can see why you would feel the need to jump all over the place in order to make more pretend friends. I am a more limited individual I guess and the 15-20 guys on my squad channel each night are more than enough to take up my hour. I guess i could pursue your example in real life and join the ELKS and the Knights of Columbus AND the Moose AND the Business League AND the Chamber of Commerce AND the Hospital Board so I can have an endless supply of "comraderie", but i choose to limit :O my relationships to those that i can provide a consistent level of friendship too. See I only have so many free nights for dinners and free weeknds for parties so i have to limit myself somehow.
Even better though I wil suggest to my daughter that she join Travel Soccer teams in the surrounding counties as well so she can make more friends! Then come Saturday she can jump sides during the game because darnit its just more fun that way! Or maybe the next time my buddies ask me to play pickup basketball with them if we start winning I'll start playing for the other team (i'm sure they would be cool with that)
I only type this because of your "myopic" comment to illustrate that perhaps some folks are not myopic but "purposefully" play in a certain way that provides the level of stability they want to relax in :O
The most myopic ones to me are the ones who ignore the multi-faceted gameplay this game provides and insist on flying 1-2 planes over and over again while telling the world how wonderful they are for doing it. Hitech and gang have created an almost unlimited number of scenarios in which to spend your free time...maybe its time for some of these folks to step outside their box AND QUIT TRYING TO CRAM THE REST OF US INTO IT :rock
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See Rules #4, #5
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Falc you serious about all that? Do you really believe there is a problem right now with spies and the like that needs to be stopped? For the very reasons which you posted, you should know better.
Yep, folks want a level playing field, absolutely. When it's 120 on 1 country 85 on another and 70 on another, it's not level, so going to the team with 70 helps level the playing field. That's my commitment to the game. A fair fight.
Kill that opportunity for 24 hours to stop a few if any 'spies' and you stop any number of squads and individual players from helping to level the playing field for a fair fight.
And yes real life is about fair. I never ever played any game where my team had less players then the other and I played ball all through high school, Did I some time belong to the team with better players? Yep, and there were days where I was on the team that got beat, but in the end, and it was hammered home by my father, it was about being a good sport and playing fair.
This is a game, not a war so it's not about overpowering the other guy at any cost. I don't condone some idiot taking this so seriously that he has to 'spy'. But I surely don't agree that punishing the folks who want the game to be fair, because it is a game, is the way to solve it. if anything threads like this one started by someone over reacting, will promote it not discourage it.
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ROX...
If you have only been around for a year or so, I can understand how you feel about side balancing and eny. Because that would mean you weren't here prior to HT's side balancing efforts. Back then, its wasn't 2 countrys in the 120s and 1 in the 90s. It was 2 countrys in the 120s and 1 country with 400+. Without some effort to balance the game, it might well be dead now (it was certainly heading that way). The 1 hour country change was implemented to facilitate the eny side balancing. Change that to 24 hours, the side balancing would be hosed.
As for Dan's question about what the arena is for, the creator (hallowed be his code!) added all of the strategic elements and win the war crap to enhance the combat aspects of the game. It has been stated more than once, the point of the game is not to "win the war" but to FIGHT the war. That being said, attempting to give a modicum of balance to the arena odds is essential to good game play. Players having the ability to change sides, relatively often is an integral part of that system.
BTW, contrary to what you want to believe, the community (here and in the MAs) doesn't have to be divided. It just needs to understand and agree that the point of the game is to fight. All too often for the last few years, folks have come here and found a haven where they can use shear numbers as a substitute for skill and strategy and THAT is where the chasm starts in the community.
In addition, your sarcastic remark about the players that you say "swore to keep the balance in the arena" is out of line. Quite a few of those fellows were doing that sort of thing long before there was an Aces High and have much better reputations than yours when it comes to how much they care about the game and its community. FYI, while in many cases they are skilled enough that a few of them can make a difference (well...meybe not Mensa), they are only a small percentage of the over all number in any of the LW arenas. So, for you...or anyone else to expect them to balance the arena for you is foolish. However, the do at least attempt to fight the tyranny of the Horde Monkeys.
I will close now. It is getting late for me. :D
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Honestly Dan I dont believe that you and the handful of other guys who actually swap sides to even out things make a hill of beans difference. Thats no disrepect towards you or them, im just saying that since Hitech put in the large maps and changed the "win the war" rules the game has been fine. Best balanced i have ever seen it. My hats off to them.
But the things that allow you few guys to move freely from country to country and communicate have been exploited by "cheats" and "hacks". So for every honest one of you there is 1-2 folks who are using it to pad score or grief someone. The best thing for the game and its integrity is for the loopholes to be closed down. I know i have never used cross-country vox and I don't see why at least a 4-6 hour delay to rejump countries doesnt make sense?
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If I remember this correct, when I first started playing back in 05(took a break after about 6 months of play) there was a 24 hour wait in between side switching back then, I think it was a good idea back then & it should be reinstated
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Rox, what's with all the anger towards Lusche? Did he fail to spend several hours of his personal time trying to help you out with whatever problem you had in the Help/Training forum or something?
Lusche is lucid and frank, bad news for rox. The only difference between rox and mrblack and voss is that rox is too helpless to make anything of his raving lunacy. He could probably make nothing out of something tho, like he does in the game. Ironicaly enough, Lusche used to defend ROX, till he saw how off his rocker he got.
1) your being a little defensive dude...
2)unfortunately many of the smaller strokes seem all pointed at ROX and im not sure that is fair either.
1) Wrong, he's calling it like it is
2) Double wrong, it's fortunate and fair that the majority of the players aren't stupid enough to not see rox for the mini-voss he is. Pure crap through and through. He can't fly, can't argue, can't recognize when he's got his head into a mobius loop, etc. All he can do is blabber on and on about his stupid horde missions, his stupid "HEART OF A NAVY SEAL" pixel squad, etc. And yet the guy is 40+ from the pic I saw.. And that pic pretty much mirrors what you can infer from all his crap in game and on the forums so far. A weak and not very bright kid stuck in an old guy's out of shape body crying wolf every other post and accusing everyone and everything of conspiring against his Don Quixote crusades.
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Honestly Dan I dont believe that you and the handful of other guys who actually swap sides to even out things make a hill of beans difference. Thats no disrepect towards you or them, im just saying that since Hitech put in the large maps and changed the "win the war" rules the game has been fine. Best balanced i have ever seen it. My hats off to them.
But the things that allow you few guys to move freely from country to country and communicate have been exploited by "cheats" and "hacks". So for every honest one of you there is 1-2 folks who are using it to pad score or grief someone. The best thing for the game and its integrity is for the loopholes to be closed down. I know i have never used cross-country vox and I don't see why at least a 4-6 hour delay to rejump countries doesnt make sense?
And I agree with you, the game seems fine, which is why I'm wondering if this 'spy' stuff isn't an overreaction.
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Falconwing, if Rox is afk and not going to reply to this... Could you? Because I honestly don't see what loopholes you're going to close.
Rox, I'm still not understanding what problem changing side switching to something (IMO rediculous) like 24 hours is really going to fix?
We live in the age of telecommunications!
Telephones, AIM, teamspeak, email, these very bulletin boards, all can be used while you're in the game!
It sucks that you have to deal with spies now and then. But your suggestion is not going to alleviate it one bit.
I understand that you're frustrated, and I'm sorry that some people are driving you nuts. I can definately see how you'd call them immature griefers... But try to look at the big picture here. Take a step back and take a good look.
Your proposition is not an idea that will fix anything you want it to.
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The spy stuff is crap most of the time. When it isn't, you just have to send in film, and the spy gets nailed by HTC.
Changing sides does fix the imbalance issues.
The guys who pad their score mean nothing. First because they suck balls, second because score means nothing.
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Falconwing, if Rox is afk and not going to reply to this... Could you? Because I honestly don't see what loopholes you're going to close.
Vudak
Of course there is no way to stop cheaters...there are a few things Hitech and gang could do to at least embarass some of them. (i personally know i can search to see how many times i kill "xxxx" or "xxxx" killed me) Why not have a column on th scorepage that allows us to see say the top 10 folks "xxxx" killed when we pull their score? Im pretty sure AW had something like it.
As for second accounts, if it was a priority im sure HT could shut that down overnight. Mpst folks dont have tons of credit cards and im sure the billing addresses and names would be an easy way to see who had multiple accounts. Of course that would influence guys with kids who play etc or couples that play.
As we already discussed above...the concept of NEEDING guys to constantly swap sides to even a fight out is really not needed. So what is wrong with a period of time prior to switch back? Same with cross-country vox....how many guys use it legitimately versus to gain an advantage?
Now the dirty truth is i really dont care...the game is fun for me as is. We use our squad ch for our missions and know if someone is around we dont know or is suspicious. But the oroiginator of this post was describing a specific situaiotn that occurred and asked for remedy...instead he got a lot of defensiveness and ridicule.
I personally would like a rule that if you have over 5000 posts you only get to post so many times in a thread. I would take that over the 24 hour side switching rule in a heartbeat :devil
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Falconwing are you really calling >50% of players who switch sides cheaters? nm, you said cross-country vox.
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Vudak
Of course there is no way to stop cheaters...there are a few things Hitech and gang could do to at least embarass some of them. (i personally know i can search to see how many times i kill "xxxx" or "xxxx" killed me) Why not have a column on th scorepage that allows us to see say the top 10 folks "xxxx" killed when we pull their score? Im pretty sure AW had something like it.
That's a good idea I'd be interested to see too. Would make for some fun ribbing :D
As we already discussed above...the concept of NEEDING guys to constantly swap sides to even a fight out is really not needed. So what is wrong with a period of time prior to switch back? Same with cross-country vox....how many guys use it legitimately versus to gain an advantage?
There are a number of reasons to switch sides, not all of which have to do with balancing, or gaining an advantage. Maybe a guy wants to fly against the horde, maybe a guy wants to fly with a horde, maybe a guy wants to wing with a friend or trainer on another country for a few hours, maybe a guy wants to fight in a particular area of a certain map (the NW sector of Trinity was always my favorite - it had a really cool river approach to the NE country's HQ which made for an exciting, if incredibly long, Mossie raid).
There's a bunch of different reasons. Yeah, trying to balance the arena and trying to gain an advantage are two of them. But these aren't the only ones.
Why take away these people's options on account of some griefers? Isn't that the same as taking away La7's just because some people don't like them?
But the oroiginator of this post was describing a specific situaiotn that occurred and asked for remedy...instead he got a lot of defensiveness and ridicule.
He could have posted about anything and gotten the same situation. It's just how these boards work :)
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Lusche is lucid and frank, bad news for rox. The only difference between rox and mrblack and voss is that rox is too helpless to make anything of his raving lunacy. He could probably make nothing out of something tho, like he does in the game. Ironicaly enough, Lusche used to defend ROX, till he saw how off his rocker he got.1) Wrong, he's calling it like it is
2) Double wrong, it's fortunate and fair that the majority of the players aren't stupid enough to not see rox for the mini-voss he is. Pure crap through and through. He can't fly, can't argue, can't recognize when he's got his head into a mobius loop, etc. All he can do is blabber on and on about his stupid horde missions, his stupid "HEART OF A NAVY SEAL" pixel squad, etc. And yet the guy is 40+ from the pic I saw.. And that pic pretty much mirrors what you can infer from all his crap in game and on the forums so far. A weak and not very bright kid stuck in an old guy's out of shape body crying wolf every other post and accusing everyone and everything of conspiring against his Don Quixote crusades.
:eek: *shakes hand* you got served
it's good to see such spirited banter in the name of our favorite flight simulator :)
now back to reality
IT ALL DOESN'T MATTER! ! ! !
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Reality is playing a fun game with like minded players. The reality is also that the same 1:100 whackos that "exist" in "real life" will play that game and can't help but be at least as whacked out in front of their screen and keyboard as they are everywhere else. Reality says that some of these players will pretend there's no difference between consenting adults exchanging banter on the same wavelength and said whackos... This based on their assertion that what whackos do "in the game" could never have any relation to "reality".
That said, if there's any cheaters in the game, the best way to deal with them is to report them directly to HTC. Publicly ranting about them does no good.
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m00t you spit hot fiahhhh. :) can't argue with that
the dude abides
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Bozo! :devil
And dern proud :D
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The spy stuff is crap most of the time. When it isn't, you just have to send in film, and the spy gets nailed by HTC.
Changing sides does fix the imbalance issues.
The guys who pad their score mean nothing. First because they suck balls, second because score means nothing.
Whos ever been convicted of spying? And what has their penalty been?
I dont see what recording will do. AH already has record of it all. And "how" would you record it? Its not like theres a little cartoon guy, dressed like the Pink Panther, peeking around the corner of your strat base.
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In other words you don't think HTC would take serial spies seriously.. That might be your impression if you didn't have much evidence to begin with or if there was no spying in the first place. As far as what the penalty has been for cheaters.. I think that's obvious, it's been said repeatedly.
Nothing changes the fact that complaining openly about any sort of serious exploits does no good.
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<points to his sig, this is all so over the top, rox you are off your knocker.
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In other words you don't think HTC would take serial spies seriously.. That might be your impression if you didn't have much evidence to begin with or if there was no spying in the first place. As far as what the penalty has been for cheaters.. I think that's obvious, it's been said repeatedly.
Nothing changes the fact that complaining openly about any sort of serious exploits does no good.
Moot, and I suspect your talking to me, either answer the question or dont answer it. It WAS a question!
Or we can assume your answer is "nobody".
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They don't publicize who gets caught, in case you hadn't noticed.
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If you play an online video game to increase your stable of "virtual friends" then I can see why you would feel the need to jump all over the place in order to make more pretend friends. I am a more limited individual I guess and the 15-20 guys on my squad channel each night are more than enough to take up my hour. I guess i could pursue your example in real life and join the ELKS and the Knights of Columbus AND the Moose AND the Business League AND the Chamber of Commerce AND the Hospital Board so I can have an endless supply of "comraderie", but i choose to limit :O my relationships to those that i can provide a consistent level of friendship too. See I only have so many free nights for dinners and free weeknds for parties so i have to limit myself somehow.
Even better though I wil suggest to my daughter that she join Travel Soccer teams in the surrounding counties as well so she can make more friends! Then come Saturday she can jump sides during the game because darnit its just more fun that way! Or maybe the next time my buddies ask me to play pickup basketball with them if we start winning I'll start playing for the other team (i'm sure they would be cool with that)
I only type this because of your "myopic" comment to illustrate that perhaps some folks are not myopic but "purposefully" play in a certain way that provides the level of stability they want to relax in :O
The most myopic ones to me are the ones who ignore the multi-faceted gameplay this game provides and insist on flying 1-2 planes over and over again while telling the world how wonderful they are for doing it. Hitech and gang have created an almost unlimited number of scenarios in which to spend your free time...maybe its time for some of these folks to step outside their box AND QUIT TRYING TO CRAM THE REST OF US INTO IT :rock
There is no "pretend" in the friends that I have made in this game, and for you to say that they are "pretend" friends is wrong. I have been to the last 2 cons to cement, in person, some of the friendships that I made while online and I plan to go to this years convention to do the same.
I am not in pursuit of ... an endless supply of "comraderie" ... but I am not going to limit myself and opportunities to meet new people.
Or maybe the next time my buddies ask me to play pickup basketball with them if we start winning I'll start playing for the other team (i'm sure they would be cool with that)
In your basketball pickup game, would you and your buddies play with 5 guys vs 3 guys, or would someone switch to the other team to make it a 4 v 4 ... Many a time I have done that in "pickup" basketball and volleyball games.
I think many of us that switch sides, with the intent to try and create balance, are ones stepping way "outside of the box". We aren't the ones trying to cram anybody into anything ... Ironically, limiting our abilities to do what we do, and what we like to do, is an attempt to cram us into a box.
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Lusche is lucid and frank, bad news for rox. The only difference between rox and mrblack and voss is that rox is too helpless to make anything of his raving lunacy. He could probably make nothing out of something tho, like he does in the game. Ironicaly enough, Lusche used to defend ROX, till he saw how off his rocker he got.1) Wrong, he's calling it like it is
2) Double wrong, it's fortunate and fair that the majority of the players aren't stupid enough to not see rox for the mini-voss he is. Pure crap through and through. He can't fly, can't argue, can't recognize when he's got his head into a mobius loop, etc. All he can do is blabber on and on about his stupid horde missions, his stupid "HEART OF A NAVY SEAL" pixel squad, etc. And yet the guy is 40+ from the pic I saw.. And that pic pretty much mirrors what you can infer from all his crap in game and on the forums so far. A weak and not very bright kid stuck in an old guy's out of shape body crying wolf every other post and accusing everyone and everything of conspiring against his Don Quixote crusades.
If there were such a thing as idiocy in motion, it would be m00t.
Rather than reason and debate, it's always personal attack with this guy. Personal attack, personal attack.
And HTC always let's him get away with it.
The poor guy can't debate to save his life with a 44 magnum pointed to his head....but when in doiubt go to personal attack.
You'd think eventually he'd wake up and smell the coffee.
Feel sorry for him too.
ROX
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See Rules #4, #5
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I try to end the convo in a civil way and you throw it all right back at me with more name calling and lame insults. Real mature bucko.
m00t. I don't think this can go anywhere but further downhill. I'm going to leave this guy to his name calling and belittlement alone, he obviously can't handle it very well.
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The spy stuff is crap most of the time. When it isn't, you just have to send in film, and the spy gets nailed by HTC.
Changing sides does fix the imbalance issues.
The guys who pad their score mean nothing. First because they suck balls, second because score means nothing.
What a 50,000 lb load of malarkey.
Send evidence of spying to HTC????? They won't do jack.
It someone were committing the "C" word they would do something, but for spying???
HTC will never do ANYTHING to spies for spying....has your brain fallen out?
m00t has definitely lost it on this one. Please install brain before posting.
Just another example of "ROX is posting so I have to go show my backside and pile on and post negative against ROX or my head will explode"...did you share a cab to get here with 420 bongtoking weed head?
ROX
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I try to end the convo in a civil way and you throw it all right back at me with more name calling and lame insults. Real mature bucko.
m00t. I don't think this can go anywhere but further downhill. I'm going to leave this guy to his name calling and belittlement alone, he obviously can't handle it very well.
You posted above that the reason you follow me around and ankle-hump is because on some occasion in recent antiquity I said something bad about one of your "friends", so THAT, in your THC soaked brain, gives you the expressed right to come in on any thread and make up anything you desire and attack me....wow...there's some real intelligent reasoning there.
No HTC forums rules broken there.
Fire up the bong agian, dude.
That's making sense.
ROX
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actually i'm pretty sure you've broken rule 4 a couple times at least.
I don't really understand why you would think all the bong and hippie lettuce comments would be hurtful or insulting. I'm rather happy with my life.
Again, trying to end the convo civilly with you is apparently a waste of time as you won't let it go.
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Rox your digging yourself into the ground. Your in your 50s-60s right? Yet your behaving like a child, the only one doing the personal attacking is you, and your trashing alot of guys who have been around way longer than you.
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in your THC soaked brain,
ROX
he prolly tokes to keep from chokin people like you. :D
and THC stands for : Test for Higher Credentials
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Rox your digging yourself into the ground. Your in your 50s-60s right? Yet your behaving like a child, the only one doing the personal attacking is you, and your trashing alot of guys who have been around way longer than you.
I've only been around a year or so. I've made plenty of good friends and found lots of competitive opponents. I hope that people would all agree that this is what the game is about in the end.
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Now rox is the one doing the roasting.
So.....
Anyone who wants to have a fair debate on a subject who defends their position and stand up for a position is "roasting"?
Geeesh our country had degenerated into a bunch of frightened panty-wastes.
ROX
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In 13 years i will estimate I averaged about 500 kills/month x 12 months x 13 years = 78,000 "kills". And when i was a "furballer" i probably averaged closer to 1000 kills/month so im guessing im way over 100,000 virtual kills in my "career".
This is a career for you? Wow.
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I think its kinda sad how a couple of grown men come on to the boards and hurl insults at people they
dont even know.
crazy out :salute
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This is a career for you? Wow.
YES...and i really kill and furball as well... :lol
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Rox, you're spending an awful lot of time purse fighting people on here and claiming they can't argue, and very little time responding to my posts that actually have an argument in them.
I mean, Falconwing and I had a little conversation in this thread and at least got somewhere... Didn't even need to get angry with each other to do it...
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i just looked through the bopards...and i find it very hard to believe this is still going at 19 pages.
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See Rules #4, #5
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ROX....with all due respect..and i do mean with all do respect (God i love Talladega nights), i think Corky is doing that on purpose because of someone on the boards :) just a thought
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That's priceless. Got us as we came into the arena last night apparently as we both went Knits as they were low numbers. I spent a lot of time dying as a Knit last night fighting Bish :)
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The spy stuff is crap most of the time. When it isn't, you just have to send in film, and the spy gets nailed by HTC.
What a crock.
HTC only cares about people who violate the "C" word.
(http://www.entertainmentworlds.com/pinnochio1.jpg)
^^^^^^^^^^^^Highly Approves of m00t's post
ROX
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Once again you've just passed over my arguments and gone into a little purse fight, trying to belittle of all people Dan.
No offense - just reality meant - you are the forums' equivalent of the guy who cries and moans on Channel 200 about there being "no fights," or how everyone's running away from him or HO'ing him, and then who turns down an offer for a fair fight in the DA.
Some people just like complaining.
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Sorry to break it to you, but they'd just find another way to do it.
One way to counter this is quite simple.
Get more fighters, and make sure they know what they're doing.
Some of the best missions I've been on actually flew 2/3 different wings...
We'd have a fighter lead (usually me in a p38 or p47...) and would be on a different vox channel to keep it clear for the fighters, and we'd have text inbtween the 2/3 for information sharing, and range if needed...
It makes for fighting alot easier, rather than hearing 'Ah crap, got one on my 6, droppin my load' you hear 'Hey trig, watch your 6' or 'Hey, could I get some help here' but you usually hear 'They're makin a dive for the bombers'
Makes for a much better run mission, and alot more chance of sucess, if you can get some decent, experianced fighters that is...
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bong, I did radio for 25 years...to me you are like the idiot caller who shows up one a week to cry amd whine because I admitted I was a Cubs fan as a kid. It's never relevant, it's nevery timely, it never makes sense, and it's soooo heat go "click"....(dialtone)...."That's the third reason this week to fire my producer".
Read the rules, stoner.
If you think you are some sort of "competition"?...Keep thinking that.
Too insecure about your own life that you need to try and belittle mine?
Guppy, you've gotten one doosey of a stalker here now.
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Rather than reason and debate, it's always personal attack with this guy. Personal attack, personal attack.
And HTC always let's him get away with it.
The poor guy can't debate to save his life with a 44 magnum pointed to his head....but when in doiubt go to personal attack.
You'd think eventually he'd wake up and smell the coffee.
Feel sorry for him too.
ROX
Just one second there!!! You done your share of name calling too. Perhaps you should take a healthy slug of that coffee and wake up yourself.
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This is still going on?
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How about a mercy killing Skuzzy?
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It'll just come back under a different name
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(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c62/Masherbrum/Gaycountry.jpg)
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There is no "pretend" in the friends that I have made in this game, and for you to say that they are "pretend" friends is wrong. I have been to the last 2 cons to cement, in person, some of the friendships that I made while online and I plan to go to this years convention to do the same.
If you have 600 friends on that need your companionship then i satnd corrected. But i suspect you are like most of us who have 20-30 guys who you feel like you know as more then a name and you like chatting or goofing with them.
I am not in pursuit of ... an endless supply of "comraderie" ... but I am not going to limit myself and opportunities to meet new people.
Again you insist on using the term "limit" as if those who think 200 countrymen and ch 200 are more then enough entertainment are "limiting" themselves. You are acting like you know a secret the rest of us can't figure out.
would you and your buddies play with 5 guys vs 3 guys, or would someone switch to the other team to make it a 4 v 4 ... Many a time I have done that in "pickup" basketball and volleyball games.
my analogy may not have been very strong as of course i dont think anyone plays imbalanced pickup games. my point was more about jumping mid-game to play against the guys i was there with.
I think many of us that switch sides, with the intent to try and create balance, are ones stepping way "outside of the box". We aren't the ones trying to cram anybody into anything ... Ironically, limiting our abilities to do what we do, and what we like to do, is an attempt to cram us into a box.
I think we are all aware of why folks really switch countries...1) fly with buds 2) get to the play the game how they want to play it as soon as possible (furballing, hoarding, scorepadding, being a jerk). If you are still pretending that the game needs help for balance i would disagree. Witht the win the war requiring a country to take bases from both other countries things have worked out great. (i also cant begin to imagine the decision tree - is imbalace (1) number of players (2) number of players in flight (3) most gangbanged country (4) least airfields and on and on........
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I change country to lowest numbers or wherever the fight is. Half the time i have no idea what country i am on. I get on with most people i fly with, i just try to win whatever battle i am in at the time and am very determined - whether i am killing GV's, fighters, bombers or tackling a base/running trooops (yes, i have been known to do this a few times). I have no loyalty to any chess piece, i have loyalty to my friends, but find it more entertaining than anything when i fight them - they don't really die you know.
This game is fun, lighten up. If not, go play WWIIOnline, where there isn't much fun and you really are split between sides. You will fit right in.
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Whos ever been convicted of spying? And what has their penalty been?
I dont see what recording will do. AH already has record of it all. And "how" would you record it? Its not like theres a little cartoon guy, dressed like the Pink Panther, peeking around the corner of your strat base.
I swear I saw the pink panther ,I DID, I DID, I know I did :uhoh
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I change country to lowest numbers or wherever the fight is. Half the time i have no idea what country i am on. I get on with most people i fly with, i just try to win whatever battle i am in at the time and am very determined - whether i am killing GV's, fighters, bombers or tackling a base/running trooops (yes, i have been known to do this a few times). I have no loyalty to any chess piece, i have loyalty to my friends, but find it more entertaining than anything when i fight them - they don't really die you know.
This game is fun, lighten up. If not, go play WWIIOnline, where there isn't much fun and you really are split between sides. You will fit right in.
Stop making sense.
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That's priceless. Got us as we came into the arena last night apparently as we both went Knits as they were low numbers. I spent a lot of time dying as a Knit last night fighting Bish :)
(http://www.entertainmentworlds.com/80th.jpg)
That screenshot was taken Tuesday, May 6, 2008 6:36:07 PM (my computer CDST).
So the lies just keeeep on comin'.
And the 3 had all been in the arena quite some time.
Yest ANOTHER WHOPPER from the AH BBS Chief of Deciet.
WTG Pinnochio!
(http://www.entertainmentworlds.com/pinnochio1.jpg)
BTW: No need to say I am "belittling" Dan/CorkyJr....he's doing a marvelous job of that himself.
Anyone who wants a copy of the original SS so you can verify the time it was taken in file properties just let me know and I will gladly email it to you.
ROX
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Operation Bozo has snared another. Congrats Dan! We'll take over HTC eventually!!! :uhoh
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Rox, You have lost your mind, is all this worth making a fool out of yourself, let it go dude, your wrong.
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That screenshot was taken Tuesday, May 6, 2008 6:36:07 PM (my computer CDST).
So the lies just keeeep on comin'.
And the 3 had all been in the arena quite some time.
Yest ANOTHER WHOPPER from the AH BBS Chief of Deciet.
WTG Pinnochio!
(http://www.entertainmentworlds.com/pinnochio1.jpg)
BTW: No need to say I am "belittling" Dan/CorkyJr....he's doing a marvelous job of that himself.
Anyone who wants a copy of the original SS so you can verify the time it was taken in file properties just let me know and I will gladly email it to you.
ROX
I only see two headhunters. I don't know what your problem is with Corky. I've flown with him many times, and on different teams. I also know the headhunters use to spend MOST of their time as knights, most likely because they had the lowest numbers, most certainly NOT because of the welcomeness of some people. If I had been treated the way some of them have while knights I'd swear off flying knights forever. Then again, I take thing personal sometimes where as Dan and his crew really are just here to have fun.
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Dunno.. each time I read a certain player's postings, I somehow hear this old tune:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1C63HnJT620
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seems to me that the guy that ROX normally gets his crack from wasn't home. Mkaes me wanna go pay the 15$ just to go purposely spy on him.
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Well, once again we are presented with living proof....
YOU CAN'T FIX STUPID!
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Dunno.. each time I read a certain player's postings, I somehow hear this old tune:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1C63HnJT620
LMFAO, it's funny cause it's true :aok
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Dunno.. each time I read a certain player's postings, I somehow hear this old tune:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1C63HnJT620
LMFAO!!!! :rofl :rofl :rofl My wife thought something was seriously wrong as I belted out quite possibly the loudest laugh ever. Then she read his post and I clicked on the link again.
<<S>> Lusche. LMFAO!!! :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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Gotta love it...we finally get to a nice civil discussion on the topic and then m00t shows up to destroy it.
Wrong. Your nice civil discussion is not destroyed. Slapshot, Falconwing and I have been having one for a few replies now. You just haven't cared to join, as you seem to be having more fun complaining and pointing fingers.
Like I said before, you are the forums' equivalent of the 200 whiner crying for a good fight and refusing all offers to the DA.
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PS- Steve, you might want to re-read my posts before flinging poo. I never said that all sidehoppers did it with eveil intent, I said a small handfull do. If you do do it with evil intent, please feel free to feel offended, you deserve it. If you side hop for fun and not for evil intent then you have ZERO reason to feel offended. Please re-read...I think you just misunderstood something.
I don't remember flinging poo, or feeling offended. I'm guilty of having a short memory though for most disagreements I get in on the internet. I certainly don't bother to remember arguments/exchanges from one day to the next, usually. In a game where there is competition I think it is unavoidable, maybe even healthy, to have an exchange now and then. I'm not talking about a vitriol laden insult fest necessarily, although I'll go there now and then, but a nice exchange of decent zingers. Heck if someone gets a witty shot in at me, I'll enjoy it as much as anyone.
Disappointment, frustration for those who enjoy competing is inevitable.
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nm
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(http://www.entertainmentworlds.com/80th.jpg)
That screenshot was taken Tuesday, May 6, 2008 6:36:07 PM (my computer CDST).
So the lies just keeeep on comin'.
And the 3 had all been in the arena quite some time.
Yest ANOTHER WHOPPER from the AH BBS Chief of Deciet.
WTG Pinnochio!
(http://www.entertainmentworlds.com/pinnochio1.jpg)
BTW: No need to say I am "belittling" Dan/CorkyJr....he's doing a marvelous job of that himself.
Anyone who wants a copy of the original SS so you can verify the time it was taken in file properties just let me know and I will gladly email it to you.
ROX
I only see two 80th on in this screenshot.
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I need to join one of Rox's mishuns again... that might just do it for good.
:lol
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Wrong. Your nice civil discussion is not destroyed. Slapshot, Falconwing and I have been having one for a few replies now. You just haven't cared to join, as you seem to be having more fun complaining and pointing fingers.
Like I said before, you are the forums' equivalent of the 200 whiner crying for a good fight and refusing all offers to the DA.
I don't know ROX at all but I have got to point out that PERHAPs his responses are the result of being "hoarded" in here by guys who seem to use the SAPP logo as sig material. Its a little hard to have a "civil" discussion when most of the responses seem to be directed at questioning his sanity and his maturity. Honestly I have come to reconsider my opinion of some of the respondents and their maturity level...
Also last time I checked Dan is an adult and can defend himself most adequately...it is unclear to me why so many feel they need to speak on his behalf. He (Dan) has made statements as to his specific style of gameplay which ROX has elected to challenge. If ANY one else had made such statements and then had logs posted too question the veracity, it would have been a different response. Dan and I are friends and I like him and enjoy his concept of fun...but ROX has responded with facts. The respondents here have chosen to ignore the facts and defend a nice guy by debasing ROX and his character...shame on you all
I suppose ROX could request his squadmates log on and start spamming this bbs as seems to be occurring here...but I actually respect the fact he hasn't chosen to do so....
Again there may be facts that I am missing but what i have observed on the boards recently is a resurrection of the the "BBS Elite" who know everything about everyone and how we must all have fun. And they can post more then you to prove it!!
Lusche's link is juvenile and an honest reading of ROX's posts leave me wondering why it would be considered funny. I guess Lusche and his style of game play makes him feel that his glass house can handle the rocks as well...
:uhoh :uhoh :uhoh :huh
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I am staying out of this one. All my friends are arguing!!!! What?? can't i be friends with everyone :D
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Indeed DB... so, want a beer?
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I don't know ROX at all but I have got to point out that PERHAPs his responses are the result of being "hoarded" in here by guys who seem to use the SAPP logo as sig material. Its a little hard to have a "civil" discussion when most of the responses seem to be directed at questioning his sanity and his maturity. Honestly I have come to reconsider my opinion of some of the respondents and their maturity level...
Fair enough, but my point remains... Speaking only for myself I've been throwing him a rope and trying to provide the civil discussion that he wants, only to have it ignored... Hence my channel 200 parallel.
Also last time I checked Dan is an adult and can defend himself most adequately...it is unclear to me why so many feel they need to speak on his behalf.
I suppose ROX could request his squadmates log on and start spamming this bbs as seems to be occurring here...but I actually respect the fact he hasn't chosen to do so....
I could be wrong, but my take on this is that the fact that so many stick up for Dan and so few stick up for Rox says a whole lot about both, and has nothing to do about squaddies sticking up for squaddies just because.
Not to insult Rox, but I don't know who on earth he is. I just came back from a long sabbatical and don't remember him. Maybe I should? If so, my bad. Can't remember them all. But I have known Dan for a few years, I consider him a friend, and a great guy in the community, and I do know that he's not the sort of guy who deserves all this grief.
(Course, in fairness, I'm being a numpty here, because I also know darn well the community at large knows this too, so no defense of him is even necessary, but hey.)
The only opinion I have about Rox comes from this thread... I'm not going to hold it against him down the road but I am a little taken back at what he's said in here about some people I've always found friendly, helpful, and respectful.
Again there may be facts that I am missing but what i have observed on the boards recently is a resurrection of the the "BBS Elite" who know everything about everyone and how we must all have fun. And they can post to prove it!!
This thread is kind of ironic in that the "BBS Elite" aren't the ones trying to control how another plays the game... Guess peoples are peoples after all.
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you bring that and ill bring the popcorn to watch the rest of these fellers
Indeed DB... so, want a beer?
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Facts and snapshots without context are two completely different things. He thinks I'm a spy and Dan is an ass. Couldn't be more wrong on both counts. ;) I kind of feel bad for Rox in a way, but then I realize he should know better. Maybe it's because he's new and just doesn't see the big picture yet, who knows. But all of this mission this and spy that is really growing tiresome.
Worse, all the new players are influenced by this idiotic paranoia and roped into chess-piece fanatacism and fall in lock step with skilless hording and typical lemming behavior. Some players spy, sure. But why would a bunch of people who just love to mix it up give a rat's bellybutton about what base you all are going to sneak next? That's right, we don't. We just wish you'd do it against other human opponets and not cartoon toolsheds.
As long as there's a fight somewhere to join we're happy. We don't burst bloodvessels over cartoon pixel real estate that doesn't matter, we come here to hang out with friends some of us have made over 10+ years of this and blow off some steam. And we'll keep doing it probably long after you've moved onto the next game.
It's not about the map, it's about the people first, then the fun. Hell, I'd pay the $15 just to log in and chat with a lot of the friends I've made (and met in real life) and wouldn't even need to fly a sortie to have fun. We're a bunch of like minded guys who come together from a common interest and pay the rediculously low price 50 cents a day to do it. I mean how lucky are we? Thanks, Dale. :rock
Maybe one day Rox will wake up and see the big picture. Maybe he won't.
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you bring that and ill bring the popcorn to watch the rest of these fellers
Deal... *goes to get the Shiners
you know I don't think anybody is going to 'win' here what do you think?
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Deal... *goes to get the Shiners
you know I don't think anybody is going to 'win' here what do you think?
i put my money on Skuzzy :aok
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I agree with Skully :aok
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i put my money on Skuzzy :aok
mine too :aok
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I don't know ROX at all but I have got to point out that PERHAPs his responses are the result of being "hoarded" in here by guys who seem to use the SAPP logo as sig material.
Sorta like ROX hoarded Stang in the first place, for "spying". Sorta like ROX hoards the arena with his lemmings. etc.
Its a little hard to have a "civil" discussion when most of the responses seem to be directed at questioning his sanity and his maturity. Honestly I have come to reconsider my opinion of some of the respondents and their maturity level...
It's hard not to question ROX' sanity and maturity when he's gone so far off the deep end so consistently for so long, taking pretty much every opportunity to call anyone a spy or whatever else his tourette's-like syndrome twitches him into doing. I think you won't be far from getting rolled into the same carpet of carping if you insist on defending someone who's not just in the wrong, but also not what you pretend he is.
Also last time I checked Dan is an adult and can defend himself most adequately...it is unclear to me why so many feel they need to speak on his behalf.
No one does, and if they did it's probably for the same reason you "speak up" on behalf of rox. Does that not compute?
He (Dan) has made statements as to his specific style of gameplay which ROX has elected to challenge.
Understatement.
If ANY one else had made such statements and then had logs posted too question the veracity, it would have been a different response. Dan and I are friends and I like him and enjoy his concept of fun...but ROX has responded with facts. The respondents here have chosen to ignore the facts and defend a nice guy by debasing ROX and his character...shame on you all
There's no need to debase ROX, he's done that himself. Even someone as impartial and friendly as Lusche can't say anything else. And there's no shame at all in calling the village idiot an idiot, when said idiot has gone thru all possible intermediate steps between being politely told he was wrong, and losing all credibility for opposing any refutal by crying wolf (spy/bozo/whatever) the whole way.
All you have to do is call him on his errors and you instantly and permanently get the BOZO/whatever boilerplate replies. Look at Lusche.
I suppose ROX could request his squadmates log on and start spamming this bbs as seems to be occurring here...but I actually respect the fact he hasn't chosen to do so....
Implying that Dan or anyone has done just that? Maybe you're so off the mark that you'll never see the forest for the trees... 68ROX had this coming for long time.. Even Lusche has said as much, it's like a driving trait of his.
Again there may be facts that I am missing but what i have observed on the boards recently is a resurrection of the the "BBS Elite" who know everything about everyone and how we must all have fun. And they can post more then you to prove it!!
There's no such thing. You've got more posts than I do in this stupid thread. What does that make you?
Lusche's link is juvenile and an honest reading of ROX's posts leave me wondering why it would be considered funny.
Fudge. Lusche's link might be caricaturing, but it's inline with rox's ravings.
I guess Lusche and his style of game play makes him feel that his glass house can handle the rocks as well...
Completely inaccurate.
So in the end:I don't know ROX at all but I have got to point out that PERHAPs his responses are the result of
You don't know what you're talking about, but you're willing to base a whole lot of finger pointing and "shame on you"-ing on that absence of basis. Yeah "PERHAPS" this or perhaps that, everyone thought of this and that already and ROX proved em wrong.
This thread is pretty much a repeat of every other thread that rox got called out in, so I'm not gonna repeat what's already been said.. Not gonna risk a ban over it.
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I don't know ROX at all but I have got to point out that PERHAPs his responses are the result of being "hoarded" in here by guys who seem to use the SAPP logo as sig material. Its a little hard to have a "civil" discussion when most of the responses seem to be directed at questioning his sanity and his maturity. Honestly I have come to reconsider my opinion of some of the respondents and their maturity level...
I agree.
<S>ROX
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Also last time I checked Dan is an adult and can defend himself most adequately...it is unclear to me why so many feel they need to speak on his behalf. He (Dan) has made statements as to his specific style of gameplay which ROX has elected to challenge. If ANY one else had made such statements and then had logs posted too question the veracity, it would have been a different response. Dan and I are friends and I like him and enjoy his concept of fun...but ROX has responded with facts. The respondents here have chosen to ignore the facts and defend a nice guy by debasing ROX and his character...shame on you all
That's an easy one. I've known Dan for longer that you have been playing these games. I know what kind of person he is in and out of the game. BTW, ROX didn't "elect to challenge" Dan's game play. He called him a liar and a cheat. That is what I took umbrage to. There are, perhaps, plenty of people that he could accuse of such things and I really wouldn't care.....for me, he simply crossed a line that shouldn't have been crossed. When it comes to shame on people, I have to wonder what your motives are.
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(http://www.entertainmentworlds.com/80th.jpg)
That screenshot was taken Tuesday, May 6, 2008 6:36:07 PM (my computer CDST).
So the lies just keeeep on comin'.
And the 3 had all been in the arena quite some time.
Yest ANOTHER WHOPPER from the AH BBS Chief of Deciet.
WTG Pinnochio!
(http://www.entertainmentworlds.com/pinnochio1.jpg)
BTW: No need to say I am "belittling" Dan/CorkyJr....he's doing a marvelous job of that himself.
Anyone who wants a copy of the original SS so you can verify the time it was taken in file properties just let me know and I will gladly email it to you.
ROX
Oh god, oh god NOO! Even stogey's been corrupted now. Dan what have you done to my beautiful stogey?? He used to be such a wonderful low numbered side player, and now this?
WHY?
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Sorta like ROX hoarded Stang in the first place, for "spying". Sorta like ROX hoards the arena with his lemmings.
so your point here is that hoarding is ok? or just as long as it serves your purpose????
etc.It's hard not to question ROX' sanity and maturity when he's gone so far off the deep end so consistently for so long, taking pretty much every opportunity to call anyone a spy or whatever else his tourette's-like syndrome twitches him into doing. I think you won't be far from getting rolled into the same carpet of carping if you insist on defending someone who's not just in the wrong, but also not what you pretend he is.
again you miss the point completely. I am not defending ROX. I am questioning the maturity of responders like yourself. Really "tourette's-like syndrome "? If he is responding to folks like you i would say he is replying in kind. I guess what I am really trying to do is hold a mirror up to the behavior on the BBS But specifically this thread...IN THIS THREAD I dont see what ROX has posted that requires these responses
No one does, and if they did it's probably for the same reason you "speak up" on behalf of rox. Does that not compute?
Again i am not speaking up on behalf of ROX. The same responders were insulting the original poster for his NOE mission. It is a pattern of ungentlemanly conduct that demeans this game and turns what should be a friendly BBS into a pissing match
Understatement.There's no need to debase ROX, he's done that himself. Even someone as impartial and friendly as Lusche can't say anything else. And there's no shame at all in calling the village idiot an idiot, when said idiot has gone thru all possible intermediate steps between being politely told he was wrong, and losing all credibility for opposing any refutal by crying wolf (spy/bozo/whatever) the whole way.
Once again you continue to reillustrate exactly how not to address someone in civil discourse. Your very post exemplifies the immaturity that I am calling out. Really..."idiot"? But BOzo is insufferable to you?
All you have to do is call him on his errors and you instantly and permanently get the BOZO/whatever boilerplate replies. Look at Lusche.
Then try restraining yourself and show some class
Implying that Dan or anyone has done just that? Maybe you're so off the mark that you'll never see the forest for the trees...
Once again there is no implication...just a statement of fact. I would agree that it IS sad to see the 80th FG/SAPP demonstrate that they may be less about having fun in the game then becoming a BBS squad. I don't doubt that Dan is above poor behavior. In fact I believe he is an honorable guy. But perhaps those he has chosen or those who have been attracted to his SAPP are frequent posters. I'm not sherlock holmes...
68ROX had this coming for long time.. Even Lusche has said as much, it's like a driving trait of his.
So all these insults are really retribution for past sins? The content of his post then is not really to be addressed? Im sorry i mistook this thread as an opportunity for discussion. I wish skuzzy would go ahead and relabel it "Burn the witch at the stake" and i would have stayed off it.
There's no such thing. You've got more posts than I do in this stupid thread. What does that make you?
I have around 550 posts in 3 + years. I guess it would make me someone who chooses carefully what he posts and values quality over quantity
So in the end: You don't know what you're talking about, but you're willing to base a whole lot of finger pointing and "shame on you"-ing on that absence of basis. Yeah "PERHAPS" this or perhaps that, everyone thought of this and that already and ROX proved em wrong.
This thread is pretty much a repeat of every other thread that rox got called out in, so I'm not gonna repeat what's already been said.. Not gonna risk a ban over it.
Well I'm glad you now feel comfortable speaking for me and what i know or don't know. I'll tell you what I know. I know if more vets would act like it, this board would be a more hospitable place. Feel free to check out the BoPs webpage and read our open bulletin boards (www.bops.us) You will see guys enjoying posting about the game and having fun with it. If a jerk joins then we remove their privileges. Its too bad the main BBS for this game deteriorates into name-calling and character assassination all the time
BTW did you see how i responded to you without calling you names or questioning your character in your real life???
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Gosh Falconwing, how many different people have to tell you that he brings it on himself before you get it?
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I don't know ROX at all but I have got to point out that PERHAPs his responses are the result of being "hoarded" in here by guys who seem to use the SAPP logo as sig material. Its a little hard to have a "civil" discussion when most of the responses seem to be directed at questioning his sanity and his maturity. Honestly I have come to reconsider my opinion of some of the respondents and their maturity level...
Have you not been reading what he is writing? After repeated attempts to back off the schoolyard name calling, his continued poo slinging?
I think you should really take the time to read through the whole thread. It goes from funny button pushing on all sides to downright stupidity and paranoia. This guy really sees Dan as a threat or something. He's screenshoting him like he's some kind of P.I. trying to break some conspiracy case. It's just lunacy.
You keep bringing up your 20-30 good and trusted friends. You'd stand up for them if their quality of character were called out and you knew that it was horse rubbish right? So think it through a bit.
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Saw this quote in a wartime publication by the 5th AF Fighter Command for it's new pilots.
A quote from Allen Hill an 80th FS ace stood out to me. For Aces High, just insert "cartoon" on front of the word Combat :aok
"You will have fun flying combat, and when it ceases to be fun or hold a thrill for you, look up your flight surgeon, because you are no longer a combat pilot."
Anyone seen the flight surgeon? I think we need one here :)
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Anyone seen the flight surgeon? I think we need one here :)
Need a brain surgeon instead methinks.
(http://www.simpsoncrazy.com/gallery/images/HomerSimpson36.gif)
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:lol at ths thread rox; dan is one of the most mellow and coolest guys youll meet so your wayy off, but you can make fun of stang cause hes a dirty little bk spy.
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It's not about the map, it's about the people first, then the fun. Hell, I'd pay the $15 just to log in and chat with a lot of the friends I've made (and met in real life) and wouldn't even need to fly a sortie to have fun. We're a bunch of like minded guys who come together from a common interest and pay the rediculously low price 50 cents a day to do it. I mean how lucky are we? Thanks, Dale. :rock
Maybe one day Rox will wake up and see the big picture. Maybe he won't.
nearly brought a tear to my eye stang.
Group hug.
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Well I'm glad you now feel comfortable speaking for me and what i know or don't know. I'll tell you what I know. I know if more vets would act like it, this board would be a more hospitable place. Feel free to check out the BoPs webpage and read our open bulletin boards (www.bops.us) You will see guys enjoying posting about the game and having fun with it. If a jerk joins then we remove their privileges. Its too bad the main BBS for this game deteriorates into name-calling and character assassination all the time
ya censorship is great isn't it ?
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ya censorship is great isn't it ?
I guess to some being a jerk is greater....carry on :t
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I guess to some being a jerk is greater....carry on :t
Cut the roadkill, look at this:Gosh Falconwing, how many different people have to tell you that he brings it on himself before you get it?
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Again, this is still going on?
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I don't know ROX at all but I have got to point out that PERHAPs his responses are the result of being "hoarded" in here by guys who seem to use the SAPP logo as sig material. Its a little hard to have a "civil" discussion when most of the responses seem to be directed at questioning his sanity and his maturity. Honestly I have come to reconsider my opinion of some of the respondents and their maturity level...
I posted long ago both here on the general BBS and in the "recruiting" thread just how detremental both ROX and his squad are to the game. The guy is simply an idiot....period. I've never seen someone so delusional before...
Anything and everything that is realistically a function of "the fog of war" is labeled as spying. It's simply not possible that bad luck, poor timing or a lack of planning, skill and leadership might be to blame. Any 6 guys from my squad can to more in an hour then the alliance can in a weekend, they simply refuse to acknowledge there own suckage and there for seek an other source for their "problem".
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This thread is INsane........ :lol
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I guess to some being a jerk is greater....carry on :t
Oh ok, we're back to name calling, ok :devil
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Oh ok, we're back to name calling, ok :devil
maybe we should try reverse psychology, the direct approach doesn't appear to be working
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Now he goes and lies on a new thread about how "he has been accused of spying".
Funny...if you actually read what's being said he's never been accused of anything.
He's been PROVEN to be a liar, but that he did himself.
See the pattern here? Look back at past threads. Everytime he gets caught in a lie he goes off and starts a "woe is me" thread so his little minions can post "oh say it ain't so" posts. Pathetic.
It's also REALLY funny :rofl :rofl :rofl that anyone who uncovers and proves it when someone lies on the forums immediately becomes "mad", "insane", "off their meds", "has lost it". :rofl :rofl :rofl
ROX
EDIT: for spelling
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:noid ...... Dichotomy...you still here??? I'm still betting on Skuzzy
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Again, this is still going on?
can ya believe it?
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:noid ...... Dichotomy...you still here??? I'm still betting on Skuzzy
*wakes up
huh? wha? *looks around* ohhhh yes.. I vote Skuzzy *passes back out*
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<opens can> Pop a top again
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Rox...
It might be a decent idea to take a break.
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well the only thing this thread needs now is a large dose of
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v99/dichotomy/diesol.jpg)
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and this (http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff169/banshee7_2007/013184_2.jpg)
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(http://www.entertainmentworlds.com/80th.jpg)
That screenshot was taken Tuesday, May 6, 2008 6:36:07 PM (my computer CDST).
So the lies just keeeep on comin'.
And the 3 had all been in the arena quite some time.
Yest ANOTHER WHOPPER from the AH BBS Chief of Deciet.
WTG Pinnochio!
(http://www.entertainmentworlds.com/pinnochio1.jpg)
BTW: No need to say I am "belittling" Dan/CorkyJr....he's doing a marvelous job of that himself.
Anyone who wants a copy of the original SS so you can verify the time it was taken in file properties just let me know and I will gladly email it to you.
ROX
Lol rox you still up to your childish ways... we find it entertaining. If your unable to help keep the fights going then don't attack others that make this game better for everyone. I saw several of your type in EW the other day. Only 6 people were in the arena so I thought I'd check in to see just what they were doing. All sprkplg and 5 others were on the same team just capturing undefended bases. Too too funny.
I will choose the low number team. If during my time on another team loses numbers through attrition, I will change to that low number team. Much easier to find fights that way and helps keep the eny down on the other 2 teams. If your not capable of discerning the difference between improving game play and spying...... then there is no one here that can help you combat your personal shortcomings.
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I don't know what your problem is with Corky. I've flown with him many times, and on different teams. I also know the headhunters use to spend MOST of their time as knights, most likely because they had the lowest numbers, most certainly NOT because of the welcomeness of some people.
I don't have a problem with Corky. I have a problem with anyone who comes onto the forums and bald-faced lies--then keeps lying about having lied. Wouldn't you? Wouldn't any honest person?
Then he goes off and starts another thread saying he's been accused of spying...nobody has accused him of spying (yet another lie if you want to count them as they pass by).
I you had actually read this thread, you would have seen where I sincerely invited him (and all his squaddies) to fly predominantly knights (as we consistently do have the lowest numbers--on average, over the last year or so) with open arms.
Ya know...if it were me...and I had done it..I'd just man up and then apologize. $10 bucks says most people would have let it be water under the bridge. There are good folks out there like that. But continuing to lie about it has only made matters worse and if you really look at this thread has sadly divided the forum participants.
Your a good egg Fugitive, I like reading your posts, but can you really say you approve of anyone flat out lying on a public forum?
I also don't have any problems with the Headhunters. I've know Silat since Air Warrior, and Yanksfan not only puts out the best AH videos in the game but Don also volunteers to spend his own personal time helping helpless video makers like me. :salute
BTW: "that anyone who uncovers and proves it when someone lies on the forums immediately becomes "mad", "gone crazy", "insane", "off their meds", "has lost it"....now I'll have to add "take a break" to the list. :rofl :rofl :rofl
Falconwing: It's impossible to have a rational discussion with dishonest people on the topic of honesty--they have none. You have to make the safe assumption that those who would get on on post in support of someone who lies must have lack of honesty issues as well.
ROX
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if you guys dont quit fighting I'm gonna make betty kiss you while yall are sitting beside each other holding hands telling each other how much you love one another!
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Oh for crying out loud, Rox. You do need a break. Have a relaxing weekend.
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I posted long ago both here on the general BBS and in the "recruiting" thread just how detremental both ROX and his squad are to the game. The guy is simply an idiot....period. I've never seen someone so delusional before...
Anything and everything that is realistically a function of "the fog of war" is labeled as spying. It's simply not possible that bad luck, poor timing or a lack of planning, skill and leadership might be to blame. Any 6 guys from my squad can to more in an hour then the alliance can in a weekend, they simply refuse to acknowledge there own suckage and there for seek an other source for their "problem".
This is the same guy we proved to be lying about the whole incident before--complete with wittnesses and film. He refused to ask for the film.
And while "any 6 guys from his squad can do more in an hour then the alliance can do in a weekend"...let's look at the numbers shall we?
Since quoting all the numbers for all 15 squads in the Knight's Alliance would be overkill, let's just make it easy and quote the numbers for his squad vs my squad
Tour 101, LW
71st RAF, snaphook commanding:
Overall Rank: 169
Total Kills: 899
Field Captures: 1
Bomber Damage Points: 240,244
77th FS "Gamblers", ROX commanding
Overall Rank 140
Total Kills 3,180
Field Captures 5
Bomber Damage Points 74,076,431
This guy lost all credibility the last time he did this, and what's left just got sucked out the window. He also gets a "D" in name-calling.
We rest our case, your honor.
ROX
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This is the happier, healthier community of AH, eh? Looks like the same bunch of idiots it was a few years ago, really.
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Oh boy snaphook.... He's got us there ;)
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Someone said the 77th was recruiting in one of the arenas.
I said i love blowing up things that don't fight back. (i forgot to add my sarcasm tags)
The guy (slate1 or something like that) said: "thats practicly all we do"
lol.
Show me where Corky has lied ROX. Your little screenshot is one instance with no context. Had one of them just switched? Who knows, a screenshot doesn't say. Was one of them afk? Who knows, your screenshot doesn't tell us that either. Was this after your little hissy fit telling him he wasn't welcome to fly knit? I'm pretty sure a lot of cool people avoided knits for a bit during that idiocy.
Perhaps you should spend all your time making sure he's on the low numbers team. That would be a constructive use of your time I'm sure.
-ninja edit- and look, i didn't have to call you one bad name in the whole post! Jeez that was tough (lol).
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rox you just called out the wrong guy.(period)
snaps got cred yo
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rox you just called out the wrong guy.(period)
snaps got cred yo
Snaps got caught lying about the whole "He stole my base take :cry :cry :cry " and got laughed off the thread.
His "cred" as you call it was TOAST last winter when he made such a total lying fool of himself that the entire thread got Skuzzinated and Skuzzy let him know in no uncertain terms if his attack posting continued he'd be banned.
You would think he had learned his lesson by now.
"any 6 guys from his squad can do more in an hour then the alliance can do in a weekend"...they guy is a joke, has no "cred", and can't tell the truth with a 44 magnum pointed at his head.
Snaphook = FAIL
BTW: Who was it that called out who?
Reading: It's fundimental
ROX
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Snaps got caught lying about the whole "He stole my base take :cry :cry :cry " and got laughed off the thread.
His "cred" as you call it was TOAST last winter when he made such a total lying fool of himself that the entire thread got Skuzzinated and Skuzzy let him know in no uncertain terms if his attack posting continued he'd be banned.
You would think he had learned his lesson by now.
"any 6 guys from his squad can do more in an hour then the alliance can do in a weekend"...they guy is a joke, has no "cred", and can't tell the truth with a 44 magnum pointed at his head.
Snaphook = FAIL
BTW: Who was it that called out who?
Reading: It's fundimental
ROX
You sure it wasnt you that got laughed out of the thread it seems to be that way lately :lol and i believe him, hell stang and I took 5 tank town bases in under 15 mins, can the allience do that :rofl
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<yawn> nvm
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You would think he had learned his lesson by now.
I understand your frustration. No matter how much you try to reason with some people, or show them the light, they just never will get it. You could keep trying 'til your blue as a Corsair and it's not going to help.
You know people like that?
I know people like that. :D
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ROX, my friend, this whole thread tells me one thing. And that one thing is that you are looking into this and taking it waaay too seriously dude. If it was a life/death situation or something going on in RL i could understand. But remember this is just a game. Have fun! And what helps the most with having fun is worrying about yourself and how you enjoy the game. Don't worry about other people because that just hinders your AH experience.
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You sure it wasnt you that got laughed out of the thread it seems to be that way lately :lol and i believe him, hell stang and I took 5 tank town bases in under 15 mins, can the allience do that :rofl
No one in the Knight Alliance gives a rat's backside about TT...anyone who has any grasp on the strategy of the game knows the TT bases are worthless. All it does is PO the squeekers of the other team. The strategic gains are won on the edges of the map. All TT does is waste a country's resources. My DOG knows that.
All 22 people in the mission and we had Gunnit222 and another M3 OTW to the town wittnessed it. Snaphook had a "mission" to take a base and didn't even have troops ready. My mission wasn't even going to that base (although we did have to fly over it)...we were going for the next base (the port) and had forces in hand to kill the cv and get the cv back (which we did).
What kind of mission planner bothers to kill the town and not have troops at the ready? I had one of my guys drop drunks for the take. Problem solved. A win for the team....
Snaphook then proceeds to launch into a 3 minute name calling tirade (which he initially lied about then confessed to later when we told him we had film)...then gets on the boards and makes non-stop attacks on me til Skuzzy let him know if he kept it up he'd be banned. I offered to him and everyone on the thread that I would happly send them the film I had on the incident. Not one person bothered to take me up on teh offer.
I truly think that is the biggest root of the biggest problem on this furum:
A) There are those who like to fly by themselves (for the most part) for score, rank, and personal glory
B) There are those who love teamwork, working in groups, and winning strategic objectives
C) (a minority) who just spend all their time at tank town
Each group sees the other groups as horrible evil doers that destroy the game. Lighten up--it's their $15 bucks
Each meandering, slithering, and personal attiack off topic post just continues to evade the thread topic.
The original poster wanted to take away the 2 most importaint tools in a spy's toolbox: cross country text and hourly sidehopping. He's talking about changing the game in way that forces people to play more honestly. Sure, they can use the phone, have 2 accounts, yadiyadiyadi--but at AT LEAST the game was making it harder to do rather than making it easier. Why would any honest playing player be against that?
"But ROX says that a lot of people spy!!!!!" Buffalo chunks! It's an extremely small group of people who do it, and even smaller that do it on a regular basis.
Ev...I love your pictures, I love your country, I enjoy most of your posts...I can even understand attempting to stand up for a squaddie, but when he's wrong it makes you look bad, and I hate to see that.
Somone please take the weed head aside sometime and spend 5 minutes to teach the poor guy how to read a roster and take a screenshot. You'll have to do it 15 or 20 times because he forgets.
ROX
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<yawn> nvm
any beer left in that cooler?
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i left that hours ago....It's time for some Captain!
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ROX did you atleast look at my post :)
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i left that hours ago....It's time for some Captain!
Hmmm I'll head to the store....
Rox, bro, forget about it and lets get cooking :D It's a much better use of your time and skills than trying to convince someone of something they'll never accept.
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Sure, they can use the phone, have 2 accounts, yadiyadiyadi--but at AT LEAST the game was making it harder to do rather than making it easier. Why would any honest playing player be against that?
I've given you good reasons! Many have! You've spent the past few days ignoring them and debating other people's character instead! If you want to get this thread back on track - let's make it happen! Here, I'll start:
I'm an honest player, I don't cheat, I don't spy... Heck, I haven't even switched countries for a few weeks. I have legitimate reasons why I'd be against increasing the time before you can switch sides. In brief, they are:
1. Longer periods limit people's ability to have fun in their own way (want to fly in a horde? Cool, go to the side that has one. Want to fly against it? Cool, you're more than welcome to switch. Want to check out a different part of the map for an hour, then head over to another? By all means);
2. Longer periods limit people's ability to improve at this game (trainers regularly take out their students for MA hops. People often have to switch sides for this. If they have squad night or something in a few hours, that's not very fair to them, and it's going to hurt the game in the long run, as some people might not take up a trainer's offer for this very reason);
3. Longer periods limit the community's ability to help balance the arena. Sure, one guy doesn't make a difference. 10 or 20 guys (squad size) do.
4. Most importantly, it's not going to fix your problem. You have conceded this yourself. It accomplishes nothing that you want.
So why do it?
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The only problem I see Rox had is I myself would have just left the thread when it starting getting personal and inflammatory.
Other then that I see no problem with him wishing for a game full of integrity and fairness. Wheres the harm in that? I wish it too.
A lot of these guys who are condescending with this, "its just a game shaddap" attitude would be screaming the loudest if they themselves organized a big GV mission and kept finding 10 enemy tigers sitting on their spawn. What can I tellya? Humans are hypocritical animals. They tend to view life thru their own personal experiences and often dont put themselves in the other guys shoes. I dont think theres much of a problem with Rooks playing like that. We are older and pretty much dont care.
But lets face it, the vast majority of players play with integrity. I believe most side switchers do too.
Let me add this. I wasnt representing anyone but myself when I called this Tralfazz guy a cheat. Tho I fly with different squads I dont belong to any and I was speaking for myself. I wish I had him in front of me right now so I could call him a cheat, "funny how his Typhie stopped magically appearing as our NOE missions roll off the runways since I called him out here". I dont ask others to fight my battles.
One thing I do try to do is play the game with respect for the other guy. I dont hog kills, try and help others when they need it, apologize if I ram "or if Im wrong about something", dont start nonsense on 200, and play with integrity. Im not perfect but I try.
And so do many of you. And so does Rox. Nobody is evil for wanting the game to have some integrity. Thats all this thread is about. Nothing more.
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The only problem I see Rox had is I myself would have just left the thread when it starting getting personal and inflammatory.
Other then that I see no problem with him wishing for a game full of integrity and fairness. Wheres the harm in that? I wish it too.
Quoting ROX's first undeleted post that I could find.
"The clowns doing it for evil intent will scream their heads off on the boards to high heaven.
If they weren't using it for evil intent, why would they even remotely care if it were changed?
Follow the "I ALWAYS switch countries to the lowest numbers for the best fights" BOZOS in-game. Make a note for a few weeks of what the countries they are on and the numbers at the time (take some roster screen shots) and find out that it's the biggest lie in the game. Over 75% of the time you will see them one of the biggest numbers countries.
The extremely few times they do switch to the lowest numbers....nobody trusts them worth a flip because they have seen them as an enemy most of the time.
PLEASE don't believe me, make note yourself and check the roster often.
You might want to also take note of how many times they are on one country--and how many times one or more of their squaddies are on another.
You don't have to be Einstein to figure out what they are doing."
And his next
"I stand by my post...there are folks who constantly post about how they "ALWAYS go to the side with the lowest numbers...." yadi yadi yadi. Just look at the roster sometime and see where really are. Like I said, DON'T believe me, go look for yourself.
As For the side hoppers with evil intent.... It is only a very small handfull of people who I see doing it."
And again
"Ok...I'll be more specific.
LYING Bozos."
It goes on and on. Then he posts the screenshot showing myself and Stogy on Titanic Tuesday flying for the second lowest country and it's his proof! :)
Seems to me he's fairly convinced it me and the 80th Headhunters.
For whatever reason he has the hots for us and seems to believe we don't play the way we say. That it's all a cover for our nefarious plans to ruin the game.
And somehow it's folks reacting to that, that have made it personal and inflammatory? :)
If I took it even a bit seriously I'd be offended, but it's far too humorous :aok
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Snaps got caught lying about the whole "He stole my base take :cry :cry :cry " and got laughed off the thread.
His "cred" as you call it was TOAST last winter when he made such a total lying fool of himself that the entire thread got Skuzzinated and Skuzzy let him know in no uncertain terms if his attack posting continued he'd be banned.
You would think he had learned his lesson by now.
"any 6 guys from his squad can do more in an hour then the alliance can do in a weekend"...they guy is a joke, has no "cred", and can't tell the truth with a 44 magnum pointed at his head.
Snaphook = FAIL
BTW: Who was it that called out who?
Reading: It's fundimental
ROX
Actually the person who is always lying is you....
Plenty of people were there and saw everything 1st hand, you didnt show any "proof" at all, simply a film edited to only show my tirade after the fact.
Your a classless clueless dolt with literally zero skill or command ability. We didnt complain at all that you took the base, but that you literally ignored 6-7 other knights telling you the town was flat and the field was capped and all you needed to do was bring in the troops. We openly tried to communicate with you pompous twits and were repeatedly told to "clear the channel" while you morons dumped the VH and totalled the field.
I've been here since beta and flying since 94 and I think your the only person I actively dislike in this game. I root against every alliance mission and anyone who flies in them....end of story. If my squad would leave knights I'd gleefully hunt you down and run you out of any arena your in every time I'm up. That plain and simple enough for you....
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You sure it wasnt you that got laughed out of the thread it seems to be that way lately :lol and i believe him, hell stang and I took 5 tank town bases in under 15 mins, can the allience do that :rofl
CHEATERS! lol :rofl
j/k
:salute
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oh the e-drama.
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The original poster wanted to take away the 2 most importaint tools in a spy's toolbox: cross country text and hourly sidehopping. He's talking about changing the game in way that forces people to play more honestly. Sure, they can use the phone, have 2 accounts, yadiyadiyadi--but at AT LEAST the game was making it harder to do rather than making it easier. Why would any honest playing player be against that?
I use cross country PMs, both text and vox quite frequently. I could care less what tards who individually couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper bag are doing to knock over toolsheds. I do however enjoy chatting with the friends I've made over the last 12 years who reside in this community, and any of them could be on any country at a given time. If the topic of discussion is even about AH, it's often privately ridiculing individuals who tend to make fools of themselves in various ways in AH and on the boards :)
One thing that people fail to see is that game features were designed with an intention. Squads were designed with a limit of 32 people. Is that a technical limitation, or is that because HT did not intend AH to be a game dominated by "airforces" of 100+ players? For the sake of argument, if HT does want to see team play, but does not want it taken to excess, why would he want to change anything? If players want to form hordes and feel satisfied playing the strategic aspect of the game, and other players are compelled to grief those efforts when they become excessive, then there is a self policing system that does not need meddled with.**
Regarding switching sides, anyone who pays the least bit of attention to changes made to the game over the last few years, can see that country balance is an important issue to HTC. Forcing players to stay in a country for extended time periods is counterproductive to balancing.
**Just a clearification. If the tools provided in the game (squad of up to 32 players with it's own private channel, and the ability to pick and choose who can be a member) were used instead of overlooked, then many of these "problems" wouldn't be.
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Actually the person who is always lying is you....
Plenty of people were there and saw everything 1st hand, you didnt show any "proof" at all, simply a film edited to only show my tirade after the fact.
Your a classless clueless dolt with literally zero skill or command ability. We didnt complain at all that you took the base, but that you literally ignored 6-7 other knights telling you the town was flat and the field was capped and all you needed to do was bring in the troops. We openly tried to communicate with you pompous twits and were repeatedly told to "clear the channel" while you morons dumped the VH and totalled the field.
I've been here since beta and flying since 94 and I think your the only person I actively dislike in this game. I root against every alliance mission and anyone who flies in them....end of story. If my squad would leave knights I'd gleefully hunt you down and run you out of any arena your in every time I'm up. That plain and simple enough for you....
This is pretty good, Humble, I'm impressed.
Remind me, if I come to the LW MAs, to look these people up.
- oldman
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Your a classless clueless dolt with literally zero skill or command ability. We didnt complain at all that you took the base, but that you literally ignored 6-7 other knights telling you the town was flat and the field was capped and all you needed to do was bring in the troops. We openly tried to communicate with you pompous twits and were repeatedly told to "clear the channel" while you morons dumped the VH and totalled the field.
That just reminded me. When I do play the strategy aspect of the game, I hate seeing that. It is the height of incompetence to pork a field any more than needed to take the base. Of course the reply is to the effect of "too many times a lone la/il2/osti has gotten up and killed the troops". I think it's a little arrogant and at the same time sad that the "leader" knows or assumes that the team they put together are so incompetent that they have to deny their own country the resource of a newly captured field to run operations out of in order to get the job done.
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Is there a way to reject a player from the mission?
<S>
Spiker
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Is there a way to reject a player from the mission?
<S>
Spiker
Excellent question! :aok :salute
Sadly, no.
When I asked for it as an option for the mission planner to do it on the Wish List forums I was flamed three ways from Sunday by exactly the same people you see doing it now. It doesn't doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out why.
ROX
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When I asked for it as an option for the mission planner to do it on the Wish List forums I was flamed three ways from Sunday by exactly the same people you see doing it now. It doesn't doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out why.
I sure can see why. What amazes me is how anyone with your obvious charisma, intelligence and people skills could fail to convince everyone of the righteousness of your cause!!! :rolleyes:
Could you provide a link to the thread you mention above? I would like compare your detractors in both threads. :D
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The only problem I see Rox had is I myself would have just left the thread when it starting getting personal and inflammatory.
That was EXACLTY the reason why they do it.
That's what they wanted me to do. Run away and cower.
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
This is radio 101--the weak will do what they do best...lie.
I did that for over 25 years...these guys on the forums have no clue compared to them.
Man, my competition would record my show one day then repeat it almost word for word the next, lie about it. Theyd make up stuff one day and lie about it the next. When the cease & desist papers arrived over the transom they'd get on the air and make a public retraction...then lie about it later. Funny 99% of them ended up getting fired and ending up in Podunk markets out in the sticks. Compared to them...these forum punks are rank amateurs. It's so predictable it's not even funny. The next move is to have yknurd weigh in with a lame hate post. He's waiting stage left.
rich, bro :salute
Anyone who knows these boards knows it the same negative pinheads with a truth disability that have one credo: "Believe what I believe, do as I say and not as I do, believe EVERY thing I post as gospel OR--we will bully you off the boards with personal attacks."
It's the same old garbage from the same people over and over again. It's the same MO every time, every crime.
They expect me, you, and everyone else to be stupid enough to believe it.
As you can tell...the gang bangers are doing their best.
Take some time and look at the boards...anytime anyone posts anything that would limit the ability of those with evil intent to do what they do...they get attacked and bullied.
"Oh my goodness kiddies...ROX takes this all too seriously."
Once again...catch someone in a bald-faced lie and whatch them squirm and bring their minions in to attack you. Cuz you know, it's ALWAYS better to congratulate the guy who lied..."Well done!"...then turn on the person who caught them.
They've pulled this crap on a number of people and attacked and bullied them off the boards...they keep trying with me but they always lose.
I appreciate your concern, rich :salute
ROX
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I sure can see why. What amazes me is how anyone with your obvious charisma, intelligence and people skills could fail to convince everyone of the righteousness of your cause!!! :rolleyes:
Could you provide a link to the thread you mention above? I would like compare your detractors in both threads. :D
Warm up to the "Search" function.
ROX
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Is there a way to reject a player from the mission?
<S>
Spiker
Excellent question! :aok :salute
Sadly, no.
When I asked for it as an option for the mission planner to do it on the Wish List forums I was flamed three ways from Sunday by exactly the same people you see doing it now. It doesn't doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out why.
ROX
I sure can see why. What amazes me is how anyone with your obvious charisma, intelligence and people skills could fail to convince everyone of the righteousness of your cause!!! :rolleyes:
Could you provide a link to the thread you mention above? I would like compare your detractors in both threads. :D
Boot Option on Mission Channels (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,229383.0.html)
To be continued.....
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Actually the person who is always lying is you....
Plenty of people were there and saw everything 1st hand, you didnt show any "proof" at all, simply a film edited to only show my tirade after the fact.
Your a classless clueless dolt with literally zero skill or command ability. We didnt complain at all that you took the base, but that you literally ignored 6-7 other knights telling you the town was flat and the field was capped and all you needed to do was bring in the troops. We openly tried to communicate with you pompous twits and were repeatedly told to "clear the channel" while you morons dumped the VH and totalled the field.
I've been here since beta and flying since 94 and I think your the only person I actively dislike in this game. I root against every alliance mission and anyone who flies in them....end of story. If my squad would leave knights I'd gleefully hunt you down and run you out of any arena your in every time I'm up. That plain and simple enough for you....
Wow...I don't know how many rules violations that one contains.
This guy has 0 credibility...look at his posts...sheesh :cry :cry :cry :mad: :mad: :mad: :cry :cry :cry. I've seen less crying and temper tantrums at a daycare.
Look at the score board.
Don't you ever learn?
ROX
EDIT: for typos...sheesh I can't spell worth a darn
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Boot Option on Mission Channels (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,229383.0.html)
To be continued.....
Thank you!
ROX
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I sure can see why. What amazes me is how anyone with your obvious charisma, intelligence and people skills could fail to convince everyone of the righteousness of your cause!!! :rolleyes:
Could you provide a link to the thread you mention above? I would like compare your detractors in both threads. :D
Well, NB, this is interesting. This is what Rox said:
"When I asked for it as an option for the mission planner to do it on the Wish List forums I was flamed three ways from Sunday by exactly the same people you see doing it now. It doesn't doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out why."
Going by the thread's title, this must be the one he's referencing:
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,229383.0.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,229383.0.html)
In it, you will note that precisely two people typed precisely six sentences that could in any way, shape, or form, be construed as flaming. Every other poster either suggested a teamspeak application, or agreed with his idea.
Now, if we are to assume that two people typing six sentences is not enough to get under Rox's skin, the only logical conclusion, based on his own definition of honesty, is that Rox is a flat out liar :aok
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Now, at this point I know what thread was being refered to. The topic of the thread request was different for being "flamed three ways from Sunday" . However, maybe I should just keep that information to myself and start screaming "lier, lier" to make a point.
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Now, at this point I know what thread was being refered to. The topic of the thread request was different for being "flamed three ways from Sunday" . However, maybe I should just keep that information to myself and start screaming "lier, lier" to make a point.
And the topic of that thread is also interesting. The same people having the same conclusions in a thread regarding the same issues as this one. Shocking, huh? :)
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Wow...I don't know how many rules violations that one contains.
I bet that glass house you live in gets really hot in the summer time. :aok
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And the topic of that thread is also interesting. The same people having the same conclusions in a thread regarding the same issues as this one. Shocking, huh? :)
The intersting thing in that thread is all the posts that were edited and reduced to " :noid ".
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Finally, Rox, would you please stop going on and on about how you were on the radio?
First of all, no one cares.
Second of all, even though no one cares, all of my real life debates and arguments have either been on television, the newspaper, or in front of large crowds. When a person had a point that I didn't agree with, or one that put my argument in a precarious position, I didn't have the option of pressing a button and cutting them off the line.
It seems to me like you've gotten far too used to having that option.
Several people have made several points for why your idea does not work and should not be implemented. Each time someone has done this, you have failed to address their points, or provide a counter argument.
Instead, you have resorted to calling into question the integrity of different people, as well as name calling, and have used as your excuse for this, "Well, THEY did it FIRST!"
Chicken or Egg. Regardless, there's still an omlet on the table you haven't touched.
Quite honestly, I'm not suprised you lasted so long on radio.
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Warm up to the "Search" function.
Well, thanks to Murdr I didn't have to..... :rock
Funny, You stated in this thread that..."When I asked for it as an option for the mission planner to do it on the Wish List forums I was flamed three ways from Sunday by exactly the same people you see doing it now.", when in reality ONE (read it carefully...1) poster flamed you. In addition, that person (Stang...you know who you are...meybe :D) made a single post. From this, one can only deduce that you are a bald faced liar or a sadly delusional paranoid. :noid
BTW, if you bother to look back at his posts, one of the people that you have consistently insulted and called names has never sunk to your level in this thread. Dan/Corky is the kind of player you should hope to be, if you weren't "a bald faced liar or a sadly delusional paranoid".
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*wakes up
huh? wha? *looks around* ohhhh yes.. I vote Skuzzy *passes back out*
<---sticks Dicho's hand into bowl of warm water...gets camera...waits for it...waits...
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:furious
I'm calling your ISP as soon as I clean this mess up :D
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<poors another glass of expensive whine> This has become even better.......
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quiet you :furious this is embarrassing :lol
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Wow...I don't know how many rules violations that one contains.
This guy has 0 credibility...look at his posts...sheesh :cry :cry :cry :mad: :mad: :mad: :cry :cry :cry. I've seen less crying and temper tantrums at a daycare.
Look at the score board.
Don't you ever learn?
ROX
EDIT: for typos...sheesh I can't spell worth a darn
I'm not "crying" at all. I simply never was exposed to a less organized, less respectful, less skillfull bunch in roughly 15 years playing some flavor of WW2 flight sim.
It has been standard practice since the early days of AW for an inbound mission to coordinate with any organized activity in the target area. Never before have I seen a single group so consistently disregard team work, common sense and established protocols so repeatedly. My bone to pick with you is over your actual conduct.
I've got more credibility with 90%+ of the player base then you'll ever achieve. I'm a pretty low key player so its hard to really get me tweaked. I dont mouth off very much, dont talk smack and generally am an excellent team player. So its only truely awful gameplay that can get me as worked up as your bunch did. I continue to be amazed at just how pompous and delusional you apparently are. Your not seeing either crying or a temper tantrum, what your seeing is total disdain and contempt...
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They've pulled this crap on a number of people and attacked and bullied them off the boards...they keep trying with me but they always lose.
not true at all Rox, if you left the boards it would be alot less fun for everyone.
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This is radio 101--the weak will do what they do best...lie.
I did that for over 25 years...these guys on the forums have no clue compared to them.
The trouble with Radio people is they have a habit of talking rather then listening, they don't even listen to what they are saying or in this case typing.
(http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa205/yanksfan001/spy20vs20spy.jpg)
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The trouble with Radio people is they have a habit of talking rather then listening, they don't even listen to what they are saying or in this case typing.
That pretty well sums up what ROX seems to has done. :frown:
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The only problem I see Rox had is I myself would have just left the thread when it starting getting personal and inflammatory.
Other then that I see no problem with him wishing for a game full of integrity and fairness. Wheres the harm in that? I wish it too.
A lot of these guys who are condescending with this, "its just a game shaddap" attitude would be screaming the loudest if they themselves organized a big GV mission and kept finding 10 enemy tigers sitting on their spawn. What can I tellya? Humans are hypocritical animals. They tend to view life thru their own personal experiences and often dont put themselves in the other guys shoes. I dont think theres much of a problem with Rooks playing like that. We are older and pretty much dont care.
But lets face it, the vast majority of players play with integrity. I believe most side switchers do too.
Let me add this. I wasnt representing anyone but myself when I called this Tralfazz guy a cheat. Tho I fly with different squads I dont belong to any and I was speaking for myself. I wish I had him in front of me right now so I could call him a cheat, "funny how his Typhie stopped magically appearing as our NOE missions roll off the runways since I called him out here". I dont ask others to fight my battles.
One thing I do try to do is play the game with respect for the other guy. I dont hog kills, try and help others when they need it, apologize if I ram "or if Im wrong about something", dont start nonsense on 200, and play with integrity. Im not perfect but I try.
And so do many of you. And so does Rox. Nobody is evil for wanting the game to have some integrity. Thats all this thread is about. Nothing more.
You must have just read this thread....
What you are saying that rox wants is wrong. He uses that catch phrase but blatantly attacks anyone claiming spying. To get the full story try searching for his posts and watch him in the game... if he still plays. He reminds me of obama.... all bun and no beef.
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The trouble with Radio people is they have a habit of talking rather then listening, they don't even listen to what they are saying or in this case typing.
(http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa205/yanksfan001/spy20vs20spy.jpg)
Sorry to pop your bubble here Don, but I did over two hours of quiet research for each hour on the air.
Listen to the radio sometime. Don't take my word for it. Grab a stop whatch and go listen to the radio.
If it's a music station the AT might talk a total of 5 minutes per hour--moring show = 20/25 minytes per hour, afternoon show = 10/15 minutes per hour, talk show = 30/35 minutes per hour.
The rest of the time it's music, commercials, ID's, imaging, sports, news, weather, etc.
Nice idea, but wrong.
Although If you had wanted to know that information in a non demeaning way I would have gladly told you in a PM, BTW Pse check yours.
ROX
ROX
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Sorry to pop your bubble here Don, but I did over two hours of quiet research for each hour on the air.
Nice idea, but wrong.
Although If you had wanted to know that information in a non demeaning way I would have gladly told you in a PM, BTW Pose check yours.
ROX
He meant when talking to other people such as on these BBs, they never shut up & listen when talking to someone else about a topic on the AIR.
Personally i think your really just in Mom's basement watchin old re-runs of WKRP in Cincinnati with a glass rose and some chore boy who Kaint handle that this is a game and these people are just Joshin U. Call Betty Ford she will help you :D
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Finally, Rox, would you please stop going on and on about how you were on the radio?
It's very relevent, and it you were paying attention, proved a point.
When you gett attacked by REAL pros at it it makes dealing with rank amateurs a piece of cake.
And that's exactly what we have here. Amateurs.
They think what they are trying to pull is SO original that everyone who reads this thread is stupid enough to believe it.
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
FAIL
ROX
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He meant when talking to other people such as on these BBs, they never shut up & listen when talking to someone else about a topic on the AIR.
Personally i think your really just in Mom's basement watchin old re-runs of WKRP in Cincinnati with a glass rose and some chore boy who Kaint handle that this is a game and these people are just Joshin U. Call Betty Ford she will help you :D
Wow...lemme get this straight...when folks get caught lying, and can't wiggle out of it, and after all their attacking minions can't make the lie go away...well then I'm crazy because it's all been a big practical joke?
Nice try.
NEXT!
ROX
EDIT: Typos (jeesh)
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Wow...lemme get this straight...when folks get caught lying, and can't wiggle out of it, and after all their attacking minions can't make the lie go away...well then I'm crazy because it's all been a big practical joke?
Yes, you have been caught lying. Though I must admit, I haven't seen that you have too many minions.
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Sorry to pop your bubble here Don, but I did over two hours of quiet research for each hour on the air.
Listen to the radio sometime. Don't take my word for it. Grab a stop whatch and go listen to the radio.
If it's a music station the AT might talk a total of 5 minutes per hour--moring show = 20/25 minytes per hour, afternoon show = 10/15 minutes per hour, talk show = 30/35 minutes per hour.
The rest of the time it's music, commercials, ID's, imaging, sports, news, weather, etc.
Nice idea, but wrong.
Although If you had wanted to know that information in a non demeaning way I would have gladly told you in a PM, BTW Pse check yours.
ROX
ROX
Howard Stern! Baba Booey! Baba Booey!
:noid
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It's very relevent, and it you were paying attention, proved a point.
When you gett attacked by REAL pros at it it makes dealing with rank amateurs a piece of cake.
And that's exactly what we have here. Amateurs.
They think what they are trying to pull is SO original that everyone who reads this thread is stupid enough to believe it.
oh yeah, you really sent stang off with his tail between his legs, you got him good, he wont mess with you again :rofl
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Ghi runs the best missions anyway. Surprising really since he is an amateur because he was never on the radio.
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It's very relevent, and it you were paying attention, proved a point.
When you gett attacked by REAL pros at it it makes dealing with rank amateurs a piece of cake.
And that's exactly what we have here. Amateurs.
ROX
And you think that spending some time on a microphone some how makes you a professional? Profesisonal what?
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And you think that spending some time on a microphone some how makes you a professional? Profesisonal what?
He's a professional at pressing the "cut" button, apparently.
We darned amateurs are too stupid to do that. We actually listen to the other guy's arguments and try to counter them.
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Yes, you have been caught lying. Though I must admit, I haven't seen that you have too many minions.
Cite one example, please. (This aughta be good).
ROX
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Cite one example, please. (This aughta be good).
ROX
You spelled watch wrong. That has to count for something.
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And you think that spending some time on a microphone some how makes you a professional? Profesisonal what?
When you have a contract and get paid = professional
When you do it for free = amateur.
I hold 3 FCC licences and got paid (quite well).
I'd think that you'd understand that much, after all, we did graduate from the same school district.
ROX
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Radio gabfest types just press the disconnect button when the discussion doesn't go their way. I would venture to guess that many have some God like attitude. Just a guess as I was never interested in anything but music played on mine. The best radio folks played the music and kept their mouths shut.
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From Rox
Cite one example, please. (This aughta be good).
Cheers!
Well, NB, this is interesting. This is what Rox said:
"When I asked for it as an option for the mission planner to do it on the Wish List forums I was flamed three ways from Sunday by exactly the same people you see doing it now. It doesn't doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out why."
Going by the thread's title, this must be the one he's referencing:
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,229383.0.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,229383.0.html)
In it, you will note that precisely two people typed precisely six sentences that could in any way, shape, or form, be construed as flaming. Every other poster either suggested a teamspeak application, or agreed with his idea.
Now, if we are to assume that two people typing six sentences is not enough to get under Rox's skin, the only logical conclusion, based on his own definition of honesty, is that Rox is a flat out liar :aok
From NB
Well, thanks to Murdr I didn't have to.....
Funny, You stated in this thread that..."When I asked for it as an option for the mission planner to do it on the Wish List forums I was flamed three ways from Sunday by exactly the same people you see doing it now.", when in reality ONE (read it carefully...1) poster flamed you. In addition, that person (Stang...you know who you are...meybe ) made a single post. From this, one can only deduce that you are a bald faced liar or a sadly delusional paranoid.
BTW, if you bother to look back at his posts, one of the people that you have consistently insulted and called names has never sunk to your level in this thread. Dan/Corky is the kind of player you should hope to be, if you weren't "a bald faced liar or a sadly delusional paranoid".
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Ghi runs the best missions anyway. Surprising really since he is an amateur because he was never on the radio.
I agree with the fisrt sentance, in part. Ghi does a very good job at running missions.
The second sentance makes no sense whatsover.
The whole post is entirely off tipic.
ROX
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oh yeah, you really sent stang off with his tail between his legs, you got him good, he wont mess with you again :rofl
Nice try.
He actually came back (with Octavious in tow) and did it again. You need screen shots?
When we changed the take off base at the last second from advertizing we were going to take a bish base--and hit a rook target--they both knew immediately that they had been duped. They flew with us to target. Never fired a shot. Then bailed and not only left the arena left the game.
But that was like...10 months ago. I'm sure he'll be back.
BTW: I have never heard of you, nuch less had any personal problem with you...but I do appreciate the lame attempt at piling on.
You guys are TOO easy.
NEXT!
ROX
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You spelled watch wrong. That has to count for something.
By all means, line me up agains the wall and shoot me for a typo.
If we did that, no one would be alive to post...especially the owner & founder.
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
FAIL.
NEXT
ROX
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Radio gabfest types just press the disconnect button when the discussion doesn't go their way. I would venture to guess that many have some God like attitude. Just a guess as I was never interested in anything but music played on mine. The best radio folks played the music and kept their mouths shut.
Then go listen to the "All show tunes all the time" channel on satallite radio.
BTW: "The best radio folks played the music and kept their mouths shut" folks barely make minumim wage. Hence, they don't get to say anything. They aren't air talents, they are announcers.
Little advice: If you are going to make a post...make sure it's about a subject/topic/issue that you actually KNOW something about.
But thanks for stopping by to show your backside.
FAIL
NEXT!
ROX
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Yes, you have been caught lying. Though I must admit, I haven't seen that you have too many minions.
BTW: I have personally asked my squaddies--as a personal favor to me--to not get involved. We have our own board just like this on our own website.
FAIL....another one bites the dust. These guys are too easy.
NEXT!
ROX
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Cheers!
That's a load, and you know it.
Read that thread and you will plainly see the personal attacks by exactly the same people (person) doing it here. Take a look at that thread I posted and take a look at the abusive posts from Stang. I invite everyone and anyone to read it. Worse yet, he accuses me of abusing the .report feature.
I DARED him to call HTC and ask if I had done it and he refused. Let's see...you acuse somone of slimey game play in a public forum, then when confronted, refuse to call and get evidence? Only dishonest people do that. Accuse then won't bother to find out the truth.
Like I said, flamed and attacked by the same people you see doing it here. SSDD.
Another nice try.
BTW: I don't even know you Vudak, so what dog do you have in this hunt, other than piling on?
FAIL
NEXT!
ROX
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Rox, the dog I have is you've insulted and attacked good friends of mine and respected members of the community who go out of their way to help guys out in this game and in real life on a daily basis. Pretty much every single person you have gone after in this thread has helped me out and been friendly to me since I've known them. I'm also trying to reason with you to help YOU out, believe it or not... But, anyway...
I really don't mean offense by this. I understand that with the limits of text, it might seem like I do, as you don't get the benefit of hearing my voice inflection. Just believe, that honestly, I don't mean to be a jerk by saying this... But...
You are having a meltdown.
Just about everyone in this thread has noticed this. Even many of the people who stick up for you here, are not saying, "No, he isn't having a meltdown," rather, they are saying, "Can you really blame him?"
Having a meltdown isn't the end of the world. Most people have a few in their lives. Many of the posters in this thread have had one here or there as well. The interesting thing is, many of the guys on these forums who once had a meltdown have gone on to become some of the most respected members of this community.
Not everyone who has had a meltdown has reached that point of respect. Some never will. It all depends on the person and how they carry themselves in the future.
I'm not going to hold this thread against you down the road. I'm a big believer in second chances and that people can change. I think you can too.
Whether or not you will is another story, but that's up to you to write.
That being said, I'm not going to argue in this thread any more. It's just not doing any good. You are not being reasonable, so why try and reason with you?
See you in the future,
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BTW: I have personally asked my squaddies--as a personal favor to me--to not get involved. We have our own board just like this on our own website.
FAIL....another one bites the dust. These guys are too easy.
NEXT!
ROX
No, sorry I'm going to have to dispute that one, you said....
When I asked for it as an option for the mission planner to do it on the Wish List forums I was flamed three ways from Sunday by exactly the same people you see doing it now. It doesn't doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out why.
However, when we go to that thread (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,229383.0.html), we find that is not the case. I know full well which wishlist thread you were flamed in. And while I may believe you mistakenly mixed up two different wishlist threads, that is not the rules of engagment you've established here. Going by you're modus operandi this is the point where anyone who feels compelled should jump in and start calling you a liar.
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Cite one example, please. (This aughta be good).
ROX
Easy,
Every single comment statement and assertion specific to the "event" at A84 that you have made is an outright lie....period.
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In fact the more I look at this thread there is no question you are a radio personality. You totally misrepresent various aspects of any disscussion and then simply ignore/mute or cut off any real discourse. So basically you are the guy we all find doing the midnight to 6am shift on low power AM radio.
To use your words....
FAIL
Way to easy...
Next...
Whoops we dont have a next....everybody else in thr thread has more then 2 brain cells banging togeather for heat....
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Easy,
Every single comment statement and assertion specific to the "event" at A84 that you have made is an outright lie....period.
It's a shame the entire thread that snaphook went bizzerk--lied about his tantrum--then confessed about it and dissapeared got Skuzzified. It made for excellent reading.
Plase ask Racdogg, Gunnit222, notch, bignadsy, Toadstul, madhat3, videgin, nero64, Raider, Heretic,Check2, 154681, Pannono.
They were all present. To quote Rac: "That's just uncalled for." To quote bignadsy: "Hey snaphook go smoke a joint."
Stand by, I'm trying to host the film.
Another lame attempt, snap.
ROX
EDIT:I uploaded it to the web, yet clicking on the .ahf film file it only comes out in code. Does ahnyone know how to host a film on the web without changing it (re-recording it using another program) so it's simply the original .ahf file? Please help. Thanks!
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The second sentance makes no sense whatsover.
The whole post is entirely off tipic.
http://www.spellcheck.net :aok
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ROX:
I simply do not understand why you're showing this level of animosity, over something this minor.
- Even if EVERYTHING you say happened went down 100% the way you say it did, why are you so torqued off? Why does this event MATTER?
- If you've decided that all these posters are posers, that they are all worthless liars who are "piling on" for some unknowable reason, why on earth do you care what they think? Why bother being so defensive, why act like you want them to respect you after all?
- Since you apparently have no respect for their character, why are you defending yourself with such unreasoning, argumentative intensity OUT of game that it begins to look less likely that you've been reasonable IN game?
I've had nothing to do with the substance of this thread (well, other than contributing to Dicho's laundry needs -- sorry about that, SheDevil), but you haven't exactly acted like a credible witness, bud.
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By the way she's seriously po'd at you now Sim :P
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By the way she's seriously po'd at you now Sim :P
Hee hee..."pizzed off" ...hee hee.
Big question is whether there's any detectable difference between the wet undies, and a spill of that swill you seem to like....
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It's pretty much the same coming out as going in according to the blood tests :lol
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EDIT:I uploaded it to the web, yet clicking on the .ahf film file it only comes out in code. Does ahnyone know how to host a film on the web without changing it (re-recording it using another program) so it's simply the original .ahf file? Please help. Thanks!
Not sure why there'd be a problem with this...are you using an FTP client, or what? Never had a problem with an AHF file uploading or downloading, so I can't imagine why that's happening for you now.
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Oh my, take a look at this tip I just saw today.
(http://i337.photobucket.com/albums/n394/thekitty1234/ROXZZZ.jpg)
donkey
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and there we have it folks, donkey takes the july screen shot comp. your cookie is in the mail :rofl
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Wow...lemme get this straight...when folks get caught lying, and can't wiggle out of it, and after all their attacking minions can't make the lie go away...well then I'm crazy because it's all been a big practical joke?
Nice try.
NEXT!
ROX
EDIT: Typos (jeesh)
you should go get some more free base
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Oh and I was supposed to call HTC about something? I am too busy to nit pick every post here to see what I have to do for poor Rox day in and day out... I did call them to get my chat privs back after the "alliance" mass reported me for... well I'm not sure what for... but anyway, the person I talked to at HTC just laughed and gave them back to me, understanding the hillarity of the situation. I actually thought it was funny as hell too, didn't even get mad about it. Perplexed at the sheer stupidity of those involved though? Yeah.
:aok
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That's a load, and you know it.
Read that thread and you will plainly see the personal attacks by exactly the same people (person) doing it here. Take a look at that thread I posted and take a look at the abusive posts from Stang. I invite everyone and anyone to read it. Worse yet, he accuses me of abusing the .report feature.
Here is what you previously posted here....
Excellent question! :aok :salute
Sadly, no.
When I asked for it as an option for the mission planner to do it on the Wish List forums I was flamed three ways from Sunday by exactly the same people you see doing it now. It doesn't doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out why.
ROX
Now, please explain how you exaggerate 1 person with 1 post into what you typed above....without, at the very least, being delusional??
Guess what Cupcake, denial doesn't change what you have previously posted. You might be better served to avoid mentioning your previous indiscretions in the future.....it just makes you look worse. :rolleyes:
While anyone that knows Stang will probably admit that he can...on occasion...be ever so slightly...........obnoxious. ....he doesn't lie. Heck, unlike others, he is smart enough to know that it's
JUST A DAMNED GAME!!!! :devil
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While anyone that knows Stang will probably admit that he can...on occasion...be ever so slightly...........obnoxious. ....he doesn't lie. Heck, unlike others, he is smart enough to know that it's
JUST A DAMNED GAME!!!! :devil
Well, I wouldn't be me if I wasn't just slightly obnoxious... I'm wholly obnoxious toward Furball though.
;)
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and there we have it folks, donkey takes the july screen shot comp. your cookie is in the mail :rofl
Carrot chocolate chip?
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Well, I wouldn't be me if I wasn't just slightly obnoxious... I'm wholly obnoxious toward Furball though.
;)
Stang...everyone needs their hobbies. :devil
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<Coolers empty, wine cabinet empty, outta food, Dicho left me> Can we end this thread now before i have to go spend money!
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Well, I wouldn't be me if I wasn't just slightly obnoxious... I'm wholly obnoxious toward Furball though.
;)
Yay! I'm special! :devil
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<Coolers empty, wine cabinet empty, outta food, Dicho left me> Can we end this thread now before i have to go spend money!
I just went to the frigging beer store which,with all the loading of the pickup, took several hours. Want a cold one? Beer I mean not my ex wife but you can have her too if you like :D Oh well I did have to do laundry at She Devils orders due to Simirals nasty little trick :furious
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ROX, it occured to me after catching up on the latest, that maybe you are good at talk radio after all. You keep reminding us of all your experience, your success at it etc.
I have to give you credit. You've got it down like a good talk radio host would, with a touch of tail gunner Joseph McCarthy in ya too.
What does a good radio talk show host do first? Create something from nothing. "SPIES! They're undermining the Aces High world as we know it! SPIES"
Why is this important? Well you've got to sell advertising and drive the ratings. Hopefully you can get enough simple minded folks to buy into it, and then you've got a following to sell your wares to.
Hmm. Now what. This is talk radio after all. Well the next best thing is to start throwing vague accusations out at different folks in the community hoping they'll react. This in your talk show radio world, lends credibilty to your creating something from nothing. It must be true because people responded.
It's also important to question their integrity or accuse them of lying or cheating. While you are doing it, you've got to introduce the idea of some sort of bias on the part of either the 'establishment" ie HTC or the 'press' ie the Aces High BBS. This of course allows you to play the role of poor misunderstood victim, who is only trying to right a grevious wrong, and uncover the 'truth."
Again the hope has to be that you'll get enough folks to buy in, to somehow give your accusation credibility.
And like a good talk radio host, you've talked around the folks who've tried to be reasonable with you, quickly bringing in other 'accusations' and trying to draw more folks into the war of words without you ever having responded to those reasonable folks.
That's where the "nice try, next" routine has come in lately. No response, pretend like you are clever.
Well frankly I'm tired of ya taking shots and a lot of good folks in here.
Name names. Who are the spies, show us your proof. lets see your evidence that the game has been somehow undermined. Quit dancing around it and let's hear it.
Put up or shut up. You are embarrasing yourself.
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Guppy / Rox
Can we let this one die or take it to PM's between the two of you? I consider you a friend Rox and I've got a lot of respect for you Guppy so I'm not taking a side here nor will my opinion of either of you be damaged by your disagreements. There's a lot of good guys in this thread and lines are being drawn that aren't good for anybody or the community.
I prefer to play the yuck monkey most of the times on the boards because I really am here to have fun, make friends, and create a little laughter with folks that share an interest in WWII planes regardless of their 'style' of play. So I'm stepping out of my general persona just a bit to ask nicely for everyone to take a deep breath, think it over, and stand down.
This has gone on too long and it's nowhere close to resolution.
If nothing else I'd consider it a personal favor from everyone involved especially because I don't want to see anybody skuzzified.
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Guppy / Rox
Can we let this one die or take it to PM's between the two of you? I consider you a friend Rox and I've got a lot of respect for you Guppy so I'm not taking a side here nor will my opinion of either of you be damaged by your disagreements. There's a lot of good guys in this thread and lines are being drawn that aren't good for anybody or the community.
I prefer to play the yuck monkey most of the times on the boards because I really am here to have fun, make friends, and create a little laughter with folks that share an interest in WWII planes regardless of their 'style' of play. So I'm stepping out of my general persona just a bit to ask nicely for everyone to take a deep breath, think it over, and stand down.
This has gone on too long and it's nowhere close to resolution.
If nothing else I'd consider it a personal favor from everyone involved especially because I don't want to see anybody skuzzified.
I would like to see whatever happens, happen here. Then just let the subject die forever, and the community can take their own opinion on things.
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Then go listen to the "All show tunes all the time" channel on satallite radio.
BTW: "The best radio folks played the music and kept their mouths shut" folks barely make minumim wage. Hence, they don't get to say anything. They aren't air talents, they are announcers.
Little advice: If you are going to make a post...make sure it's about a subject/topic/issue that you actually KNOW something about.
But thanks for stopping by to show your backside.
FAIL
NEXT!
ROX
lol you fail in so many ways
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I'm not sure what's going on in this thread, but I think I'll insert a random emoticon. Hmm. Yes....closing eyes...THIS ONE: :O
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Guppy / Rox
Can we let this one die or take it to PM's between the two of you? I consider you a friend Rox and I've got a lot of respect for you Guppy so I'm not taking a side here nor will my opinion of either of you be damaged by your disagreements. There's a lot of good guys in this thread and lines are being drawn that aren't good for anybody or the community.
I prefer to play the yuck monkey most of the times on the boards because I really am here to have fun, make friends, and create a little laughter with folks that share an interest in WWII planes regardless of their 'style' of play. So I'm stepping out of my general persona just a bit to ask nicely for everyone to take a deep breath, think it over, and stand down.
This has gone on too long and it's nowhere close to resolution.
If nothing else I'd consider it a personal favor from everyone involved especially because I don't want to see anybody skuzzified.
Nope, I've blown it off for a while now and he keeps going, and he's accused folks I respect of being lyers and cheats.
I understand what you are asking, but he's the one throwing all the stones at this point.
Rox needs to put up or shut up.
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This is the same guy we proved to be lying about the whole incident before--complete with wittnesses and film. He refused to ask for the film.
And while "any 6 guys from his squad can do more in an hour then the alliance can do in a weekend"...let's look at the numbers shall we?
Since quoting all the numbers for all 15 squads in the Knight's Alliance would be overkill, let's just make it easy and quote the numbers for his squad vs my squad
Tour 101, LW
71st RAF, snaphook commanding:
Overall Rank: 169
Total Kills: 899
Field Captures: 1
Bomber Damage Points: 240,244
77th FS "Gamblers", ROX commanding
Overall Rank 140
Total Kills 3,180
Field Captures 5
Bomber Damage Points 74,076,431
This guy lost all credibility the last time he did this, and what's left just got sucked out the window. He also gets a "D" in name-calling.
We rest our case, your honor.
ROX
Sorry I'm late. I feel as I may be getting into Lusche territory here.
Re: Credibility, numbers, and squad v. squad.
Creative numbers you chose to use. I think maybe not very representative. Leave somethings out perhaps?
Lets look at the BIG picture:
(http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/8228/scoresti2.gif)
A little disparity in the categories you decided to compare, I think. The details you've left out are highlighted in red.
It's like statistics. You can make anything look the way you want it to.
Credibility you say?
wrngway
(your mileage may vary)
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If this were boxing ROX just took a haymaker to the temple. Then again if this thread were boxing ROX would be brain damaged. Then again....
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Sorry I'm late. I feel as I may be getting into Lusche territory here.
Re: Credibility, numbers, and squad v. squad.
Creative numbers you chose to use. I think maybe not very representative. Leave somethings out perhaps?
Lets look at the BIG picture:
(http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/8228/scoresti2.gif)
A little disparity in the categories you decided to compare, I think. The details you've left out are highlighted in red.
It's like statistics. You can make anything look the way you want it to.
Credibility you say?
wrngway
(your mileage may vary)
And we have "pwnage"
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When you have a contract and get paid = professional
When you do it for free = amateur.
I hold 3 FCC licences and got paid (quite well).
I'd think that you'd understand that much, after all, we did graduate from the same school district.
ROX
Easy Rox, I'm not jumpin on you. I do think this thread has gotten vicious and you have stepped on longtime "friends" of mine but I've pretty much kept my mouth shut because this is already as ugly as it needs to be and you and I have always gotten along just peachy. I'd like it to stay that way.
I also feel you impugned my integrity but I let that go because this thread is pretty acrimonious so I wrote it off as a heat of battle thing.
I hope you guys find a way to resolve this amicably and soon because Roy is going to tire of this, I'd guess. No, I'm not particularly qualified to be a peacemaker but on-one is going to persevere here. Let it go, dude. It's not that you are acceding any points, you have nothing to gain by continuing IMHO.. nobody does.
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As one of thos BOZO's, please do note who I fly for and when. Please do take screen shots. Collect a dossier on me and my flying. Please! Quiz me on the status of the 'war' in the arena when you see me. What the heck, ask me if I even know what map we're on! I'm sure it will reveal my evil intent to spend my time disrupting certain groups from obtaining their war winning prize through whatever means neccessary!
If only you could see my network of computers, set up on different accounts, logged into each country multiple times and having infiltrated multiple squadrons just to spread my evil ways. Little do you know that I'm in your squad too ROX! I'd watch your six if I were you! The best spies always stick closest to those they want to disrupt, and appear to be their closest friends........ :noid :noid :noid
BozoJr of the 80th Spyhunters
Now lets try this again...a lot of guys who are choosing to ignore facts and slam ROX....
1. Dan posted this response 1/3 way through this thread and accepted the mantle of being a "i fly for the country with the lowest number all the time" bozo. (BTW the only time ROX used the FOUL EVIL term "BOZO") He then challenged ROX to monitor him. ROX accepted the challenge and posted a screenshot that blew CorkyJr out of the water. Now thats PAwnage for those using the term. Thats ninja-esque Quah-screaming PAWNAGE. Then a bunch of guys jumped in trying to personally attack ROX. He mentioned he was in radio at some point in his life and he has had that challenged over and over again.
(continued next post cause i cant figure out multiple quotes)
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Sorry I'm late. I feel as I may be getting into Lusche territory here.
Re: Credibility, numbers, and squad v. squad.
Creative numbers you chose to use. I think maybe not very representative. Leave somethings out perhaps?
Lets look at the BIG picture:
(http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/8228/scoresti2.gif)
A little disparity in the categories you decided to compare, I think. The details you've left out are highlighted in red.
It's like statistics. You can make anything look the way you want it to.
Credibility you say?
wrngway
(your mileage may vary)
Your not too good at math are you? The original poster said his squad could do in ONE hour what ROXs squad could do in a weekend (48 hours)..
Lets do the math for simple people....
Rox's squad flew 7.2 times as many hours as the 71st.....
They had 60,918 bomber points per hour.....
71st had 1,492 bomber points per hour.....
So they actually cant do in ONE hour what ROX's squad can do in ONE hour....
want to try multiplying that thru by 48 hours versus one???
Unfortunately your the only one PAWNED here....
Well you and the folks claiming your post as pawnage???? :rolleyes:
(continued later..gotta run)
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Have we Forgotten that this is A Flight Sim Game :rofl
(http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/4559/spyingje6.jpg)
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He then challenged ROX to monitor him. ROX accepted the challenge and posted a screenshot that blew CorkyJr out of the water. Now thats PAwnage for those using the term.
In the immortal WORD of ROX...
FAIL!
ROX posted a screeny from a couple of months prior to this thread beginning. Again, as with his claim that "people" flamed him 3 ways to Sunday in a Wish List thread, this was one (1) screenshot. Now that hardly qualifies as "PAwnage". :D
BTW Falc, copy the [ quote] lines at the beginning to do multiple quotes. You can dink with it a little and figure out how to change the info line so you can quote from different sources. :) :salute
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People:
We're now on page 31...and not anywhere farther along than we were at page 2.
Meanwhile, after posting every few minutes yesterday afternoon ROX seems to have stepped away from the keyboard, for whatever reason. It seems to me that this might be a good time for all of us to just let things go. The principals in this spat have quieted down, so wouldn't it make sense for the proxies to do the same? Let's stop arguing for our friends, and let them work it out themselves if they so desire.
Nobody needs us bystanders to stand around fanning the coals.
Simaril
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that whole screeshot is just stupid. It was taken during a time when much of this started, when rox basically explained that the headhunters were not welcome to fly nits. Not that that would really stop us, but in the interest of tying to settle things down and having to listen to this garbage of false accussations and ranting, many decided to avoid the nits. If you are calling a screenshot, showing 2 people from a squad, on a country which has the second lowest population blowing someone out of the water than you refuse to acknowledge any of these factors. I'm sure there is more, not wasting much more time with this.
1) someone being afk
2) not wanting to fly near other people
3) someone not being able to switch country
4) number flux
5) one screenshot=norm?
As far as personal attacks, I forget, who started calling people liars and bozo's etc? Also, you as a much a part of the personal attacks as anyone, so you can't seperate yourself from this issue at all.
If you are defending this behavior, I'm sure you would be fine with the idea that for months I can go on about how you and the bops are also liars and spies. You probably have a friend or a second account that relays information. Go ahead, try to deny, I'll just find some form of evidence and call you a liar. In your eyes, this is fine, the real truth of the matter doesn't factor in. Frankly, this whole issue is just stupid. Why would corky even bother to lie/spy (or any of the 80th for that matter) or whatever, about something so trivial? The simple answer is it's not going on. But no, lets take the fantasy route, turn everything into a big drama, make spies and cheats outta guys who just want find a fight. And while we are at it, lets not accept anything that might interfere with our little fantasy drama.
I'm officially done with this thread. I leave knowing that is ok in some peoples eyes to make any claims they seem fit. (which wouldn't be so bad, if it didn't go on for months and months). Knowing that no matter what, I will never believe anything that does not fit my assumptions. whoever said anytime you assume, you make an donut outta u and me, had no idea what they were talking about. Anyone to suggest otherwise is a bold face liar and a spy. It is just a game, why some people want to take it and try to turn it into some real life war/spy drama, alienate parts of the community, and act in ways that generally frustrate others to no end (and no end in sight), I can only guess.
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Have we Forgotten that this is A Flight Sim Game :rofl
I certainly think so...
For those thinking about jumping in...
(http://home.att.net/~ww2aviation/Learn.jpg)
My regards,
Widewing
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I certainly think so...
For those thinking about jumping in...
(http://home.att.net/~ww2aviation/Learn.jpg)
My regards,
Widewing
:rofl :lol :rofl :lol OMG WW :lol
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Let this be finished now, it has no point and is way way past being the least bit relavent.
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Let this be finished now, it has no point and is way way past being the least bit relavent.
Agree, BUT there will be another posted in the future.
It will have the identical whine form the same person who started this thread. It will contain the "now played out term" FAIL in it more than 20 times by page 10. It will contain the same person starting the thread who refuses to accept that HE is the only one with any sort of "problem". It will contain "I was in radio for 25 years" by page 5. It will contain a one off screenshot that will NOT be the first one he goes to take. Instead, he'll wait until the Arena Numbers favor his "argument" and post it.
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Now lets try this again...a lot of guys who are choosing to ignore facts and slam ROX....
1. Dan posted this response 1/3 way through this thread and accepted the mantle of being a "i fly for the country with the lowest number all the time" bozo. (BTW the only time ROX used the FOUL EVIL term "BOZO") He then challenged ROX to monitor him. ROX accepted the challenge and posted a screenshot that blew CorkyJr out of the water. Now thats PAwnage for those using the term. Thats ninja-esque Quah-screaming PAWNAGE. Then a bunch of guys jumped in trying to personally attack ROX. He mentioned he was in radio at some point in his life and he has had that challenged over and over again.
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Falc, all I note here, is that I've asked ROX to quit tap dancing and name names. Prove what he claims.
His screenshot of Stogey and I flying for the 2nd lowest numbers team somehow blows me out of the water following his post that said this, and I quote:
The clowns doing it for evil intent will scream their heads off on the boards to high heaven.
If they weren't using it for evil intent, why would they even remotely care if it were changed?
Follow the "I ALWAYS switch countries to the lowest numbers for the best fights" BOZOS in-game. Make a note for a few weeks of what the countries they are on and the numbers at the time (take some roster screen shots) and find out that it's the biggest lie in the game. Over 75% of the time you will see them one of the biggest numbers countries.
The extremely few times they do switch to the lowest numbers....nobody trusts them worth a flip because they have seen them as an enemy most of the time.
PLEASE don't believe me, make note yourself and check the roster often.
You might want to also take note of how many times they are on one country--and how many times one or more of their squaddies are on another.
You don't have to be Einstein to figure out what they are doing.
2 of us flying for the 2nd lowest number country proves that we fly for the high number country 75% of the time? His radio show logic is at it's loveable best in this one. If anyone responds it's because they are defending their using it for 'evil intent' Another great broad brush statement of the radio host follows. "Nobody trusts them a flip because they've seen them as the enemy most of the time."
As his posting goes on, he continues in the grand radio host manner inserting 'truths' he's made up and presenting it as fact.
In plain and simple easy to understand English: There is a very small minority of folks in the game who side-hop and use cross-country text and VOX for evil purposes...but make any suggestion about elongating the time frame of side hopping or closing off cross country text & VOX and get ready to see the fur fly. From who? The same people who use both for evil intent. It's pretty easy to see who they are. They are the ones squeeling the loudest against any change on the BBS.
Keep going and he keeps going. Now it's for personal score. Ahh Radio. Change the argument in stride and introduce another element of evil.
Why in the world should someone who you see as an enemy 90% of the time be trusted? Seems pretty stupid, doesn't it? Knock-knock-knock...Hellllloooooo?......McFly???
Besides, who would trust somebody who's just out for their own personal score anyway?
And another. Of course anyone disagreeing should not be heard
You will be roasted on a spit by the exact same people who use the current loopholes for evil purposes.
Of course he then inserts that somehow HTC is behind this too while taking a shot at m00t
If there were such a thing as idiocy in motion, it would be m00t.
Rather than reason and debate, it's always personal attack with this guy. Personal attack, personal attack.
And HTC always let's him get away with it.
And another
Send evidence of spying to HTC?? They won't do jack.
It someone were committing the "C" word they would do something, but for spying???
HTC will never do ANYTHING to spies for spying....has your brain fallen out?
and one more
HTC only cares about people who violate the "C" word.
this one was directed specifically at me.
Yet ANOTHER WHOPPER from the AH BBS Chief of Deciet.
And of course another regarding myself.
I have a problem with anyone who comes onto the forums and bald-faced lies--then keeps lying about having lied. Wouldn't you? Wouldn't any honest person?
And of course the classic radio show host at work again. Anyone who disagrees belongs to the same group and they all lie and bully. And there's that 'evil intent' again
Anyone who knows these boards knows it the same negative pinheads with a truth disability that have one credo: "Believe what I believe, do as I say and not as I do, believe EVERY thing I post as gospel OR--we will bully you off the boards with personal attacks."
It's the same old garbage from the same people over and over again. It's the same MO every time, every crime.
They expect me, you, and everyone else to be stupid enough to believe it.
As you can tell...the gang bangers are doing their best.
Take some time and look at the boards...anytime anyone posts anything that would limit the ability of those with evil intent to do what they do...they get attacked and bullied.
"Oh my goodness kiddies...ROX takes this all too seriously."
Once again...catch someone in a bald-faced lie and whatch them squirm and bring their minions in to attack you. Cuz you know, it's ALWAYS better to congratulate the guy who lied..."Well done!"...then turn on the person who caught them.
They've pulled this crap on a number of people and attacked and bullied them off the boards...they keep trying with me but they always lose.
It goes on and on.
All I'm doing Falc is calling him out. Joking about it didn't work. Trying to have a reasonable discussion didn't work. Put up or shut up. No more word games, no more tap dancing.
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Guppy is scaring me :uhoh but he's right!
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Dan
I took the time and read your post and and the quotes. I have no problem with your replies...you have every right to defend yourself if you feel attacked. My problem was with the tone and nature of the other respondents...who were extremely vitriolic and personal and i think fueled his behavior. I also agree with ROX in his posts about HTs approach (or non-approach) to dual accounts and spying. Im not sure why you posted them?
Lets be honest about this...
You DON'T always fly for the country with the lowest numbers and there is NO shame in that. I'm not sure why you make that part of the definition of you are. Witht the way numbers shift in arenas that would be a near impossible task and im sure would detract from your game play.
So why not let that almost indefensible position go and be honest with what most furballers do/don't do:
(im generalizing)
1. they dont typically participate in active ganging or hoarding
2. they dont typically spy or pass on country info
3. they DO want to be where there is the quickest furball style action as fast as possible
4. they DO try to set challenges for themselves with plane selection etc
5. they DO use ch 200 ALOT when they are on
6. they DO tend to ridicule guys who like missions and base capture as an objective
7. they DONT like to die so most of these guys dont show up to help a ganged base
So they are not a bad breed..more positives then negatives..and the negatives are pretty forgiveable.
Now this ROX guy does seem to react strongly to criticism...but i'm not sure I've seen so many harsh comments (especially about his private life and real life character) in a long time.
Lets also be honest about STANG. I like Stang....he actually will show up and help fight off an noe or base cap when he is on your country. He has got a good sense of humor and l like seeing him on. But i read that thread where ROX called him a spy. I cant speak for what STANG did or didnt do. But when ROX posted a screenshot of Stang joining a posted mission I knew that if nothing else STANG was trying to bug him. Especially when Stang was in a c47. So i guess playing on ROX's concerns of him being a spy by doing things like that would tend to fuel a situation...NO?
AND while i would agree that ROX needs to tone down his rhetoric "minister of deceit" etc...maybe you, Dan/CorkyJr, should enjoy playing the game the way you do and quit poking at guys running missions. It is not a style you understand or enjoy yourself. I don't understand alot of things but that doesn't make them bad.
<S> Dan .. you continue to have my respect and friendship :salute
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Your not too good at math are you? The original poster said his squad could do in ONE hour what ROXs squad could do in a weekend (48 hours)..
Lets do the math for simple people....
Rox's squad flew 7.2 times as many hours as the 71st.....
They had 60,918 bomber points per hour.....
71st had 1,492 bomber points per hour.....
So they actually cant do in ONE hour what ROX's squad can do in ONE hour....
want to try multiplying that thru by 48 hours versus one???
Unfortunately your the only one PAWNED here....
Well you and the folks claiming your post as pawnage???? :rolleyes:
(continued later..gotta run)
I'm not looking for "pwnage" (is that right?) I'm looking for perspective. 35 times more bomber missions. 8 times more active squad members for that tour. perspective.
And, the original post mentioned the 71st v the alliance of 15 squads which Rox truncated for the sake of succinctness. Of course, there are two other wings of the 71st, which, if you could get all active members on at the same time, could get maybe 35 people together at once.
I have nothing against Rox. Just seems a bit :noid. I don't care for his missions and I usually don't fly them. A hoard flying every plane on the hanger list doesn't reflect a lot of planning and thought.
I heard about this thread in the MA yesterday because Rox and company were still talking smack about Humble on ch.2. "Oh, I was there!! I heard him go off...." when the alliance hoard came in and killed a closed a capped field with a dead town.
Who doesn't want to let go of what?
I chalk the original intent of this thread up to paranoia. "Our mission got busted, it had to be a spy. Maybe put that in perspective as well. How many missions get busted v. how many missions are run. Sometimes things just don't work. Sometimes maybe there is a spy trying to grief. SO what?
Then again, there seems to be lots of paranoid rants on the boards nowadays.
I think it's either aliens, sunspots, or the black helicopters.
wrngway
(resigns from this thread)
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"1. they dont typically participate in active ganging or hoarding
2. they dont typically spy or pass on country info
3. they DO want to be where there is the quickest furball style action as fast as possible
4. they DO try to set challenges for themselves with plane selection etc
5. they DO use ch 200 ALOT when they are on
6. they DO tend to ridicule guys who like missions and base capture as an objective
7. they DONT like to die so most of these guys dont show up to help a ganged base"
Being a "furballer", I will give my insight.
1. this is true
2. this is true
3. this is relatively true, but a good fight where it's just your wingman and you vs 10 baddies is as much if not more fun. Bonus points if you use historical moves.
4. this depends on the person. Personally, my challenge is staying in the air, and seeing how large of a red blob I can fly into and still come out alive.
5. I use it to say hello, or wtg/<S> someone. But I don't really "smacktalk"
6. I don't ridicule the fact they do it, I ridicule some of the methods. It is completely unnecessary to level the entire base.
7. Wrong. I think that is one of the key points in being a "furballer". We really don't care if we "die", so we go into any fight, no matter the odds. It is fun for us.
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Dan
Lets be honest about this...
You DON'T always fly for the country with the lowest numbers and there is NO shame in that. I'm not sure why you make that part of the definition of you are. Witht the way numbers shift in arenas that would be a near impossible task and im sure would detract from your game play.
Exactly....the only way to always fly low numbers is when a country is down by 10+ players, (which happens). They could also be flying and having a good fight and the country they are on all of a sudden gets an influx of players (which has happened a lot). ROX thinks that they intentionally go to the higher #s country
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Dan
I took the time and read your post and and the quotes. I have no problem with your replies...you have every right to defend yourself if you feel attacked. My problem was with the tone and nature of the other respondents...who were extremely vitriolic and personal and i think fueled his behavior. I also agree with ROX in his posts about HTs approach (or non-approach) to dual accounts and spying. Im not sure why you posted them?
Lets be honest about this...
You DON'T always fly for the country with the lowest numbers and there is NO shame in that. I'm not sure why you make that part of the definition of you are. Witht the way numbers shift in arenas that would be a near impossible task and im sure would detract from your game play.
So why not let that almost indefensible position go and be honest with what most furballers do/don't do:
(im generalizing)
1. they dont typically participate in active ganging or hoarding
2. they dont typically spy or pass on country info
3. they DO want to be where there is the quickest furball style action as fast as possible
4. they DO try to set challenges for themselves with plane selection etc
5. they DO use ch 200 ALOT when they are on
6. they DO tend to ridicule guys who like missions and base capture as an objective
7. they DONT like to die so most of these guys dont show up to help a ganged base
So they are not a bad breed..more positives then negatives..and the negatives are pretty forgiveable.
Now this ROX guy does seem to react strongly to criticism...but i'm not sure I've seen so many harsh comments (especially about his private life and real life character) in a long time.
Lets also be honest about STANG. I like Stang....he actually will show up and help fight off an noe or base cap when he is on your country. He has got a good sense of humor and l like seeing him on. But i read that thread where ROX called him a spy. I cant speak for what STANG did or didnt do. But when ROX posted a screenshot of Stang joining a posted mission I knew that if nothing else STANG was trying to bug him. Especially when Stang was in a c47. So i guess playing on ROX's concerns of him being a spy by doing things like that would tend to fuel a situation...NO?
AND while i would agree that ROX needs to tone down his rhetoric "minister of deceit" etc...maybe you, Dan/CorkyJr, should enjoy playing the game the way you do and quit poking at guys running missions. It is not a style you understand or enjoy yourself. I don't understand alot of things but that doesn't make them bad.
<S> Dan .. you continue to have my respect and friendship :salute
<S> Falc. No problem with anything you said. I do play the game for fun. Are there times where I'm not on the team with the lowest numbers? sure. But what I do when I log on is first check the roster for the low numbers country and go there. If in the course of an hour the numbers swing there isn't anything I can do about it, and if the fights are good during the swing, I'm not paying attention to the numbers at that point just the fight. If the fights are lousy in one LW arena and I go to the other, sometimes the numbers are high and I can't yet move. Is there any absolute? No. My 'preaching' in regards low numbers is to emphasize the fight and trying to keep the numbers fair so the fight is fair. That won't change.
Where ROX crossed the line with me is calling me a liar and a cheat. He then went after other folks I respect as well. Trying to Joke with the silliness of it all didn't work. Trying to raise a reasonable discussion didn't work. So I called him out, and I note he's not responded. To me the silence is deafening.
I appreciate your input Falc, and out of respect to yourself and the others in this thread who tried to be civil, I'm done with it. I think the point was made.
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7. they DONT like to die so most of these guys dont show up to help a ganged base
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Falc --
I know you were generalizing, but just for the sake of the (suddenly civil and substantive) discussion let me explicitly point out this:
FURBALLERS do not equal SCORE WHOIARS
I see many capture guys make this mistake, maybe because it's siimpler to divide AH into 2 than 3 groups. It's a bit aggravating to see people claim that furballers "only care about themselves and their scores, so they never want to die" when that's really only true of the guys chasing their score. Again, there's not anything wrong with playing that way, but in point of fact furballers tend to do the opposite of "never wanting to die" -- as Dan said, most end up flying INTO red and liking the challenge of fighting from disadvantage, even thought that increases the chance of dying.
In the last 6 months or so I find myself doing this more and more, just because. Last night my first three sorties I flew alone into a place where I KNEW I was going to get jumped by 3-4 guys with a 5K alt advantage...and I climbed above the picking and vulching that was available right underneath me. For my troubles I died twice, lost my engine and glided home once, and dove out another time (nice thing knowing the squad involved wouldn't give up THAT much alt advantage to finish me!)...but on the way home that time I couldn't resist getting in on a bad matchup that ended up seeing me dead.
SO...for my first 4 sorties, my "score" was 3 deaths and a ditch, for no kills. But I had fun -- the part that doesn't show up in scores saw me evading the attacks of multiple bogies for 3-4 passes each time, and knowing that if I possessed even minimal deflection skills my moves would have given me a kill or two. Since I keep putting myself into tougher and tougher situations, my KPD keeps going down, and my KPH and hit % are falling too...not exactly what the 200 field generals accuse furballers of trying to do.
Have to admit that after going about an hour before I had my first outright kill, it rankled a bit to see somebody say people like me only care about their scores.
So anyway, my point is that there are really 3 groups in AH, not 2 -- It's better to think of us as being dogfighters, points players, and base takers. There's not anything wrong with any style! Truth be told, lately I've been seeing some smart base takers take advantage of the differences by calling for vulchers (ie points guys) or furballers to show up when the takers hit a snag.
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It's a shame the entire thread that snaphook went bizzerk--lied about his tantrum--then confessed about it and dissapeared got Skuzzified. It made for excellent reading.
Plase ask Racdogg, Gunnit222, notch, bignadsy, Toadstul, madhat3, videgin, nero64, Raider, Heretic,Check2, 154681, Pannono.
They were all present. To quote Rac: "That's just uncalled for." To quote bignadsy: "Hey snaphook go smoke a joint."
Stand by, I'm trying to host the film.
Another lame attempt, snap.
ROX
EDIT:I uploaded it to the web, yet clicking on the .ahf film file it only comes out in code. Does ahnyone know how to host a film on the web without changing it (re-recording it using another program) so it's simply the original .ahf file? Please help. Thanks!
I dont have a need to lie about anything, I was MFing like a sailor...further if you or anyone of the tards was physically available i'd have beat the tar out of 1 or all of you...yes I was seriously torqued and have never hidden it. Probably the most ballistic I've ever been in a game that didnt involve pads and real blood.
What was lame is your "mission". Gunnit22 was in a flak and I spent the entire time driving in both giving him a sitrep and telling him to get troops in. Racdogg is the total lamo who did nothing but "yell" at solar B2B myself and others to "clear channel". Whilke my reaction was over the top the reality is that you guys are a pox on both teamwork and good gameplay.
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FURBALLERS do not equal SCORE WHOIARS
Wholeheartedly agree :aok
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"1. they dont typically participate in active ganging or hoarding
2. they dont typically spy or pass on country info
3. they DO want to be where there is the quickest furball style action as fast as possible
4. they DO try to set challenges for themselves with plane selection etc
5. they DO use ch 200 ALOT when they are on
6. they DO tend to ridicule guys who like missions and base capture as an objective
7. they DONT like to die so most of these guys dont show up to help a ganged base"
Being a "furballer", I will give my insight.
1. this is true
2. this is true
3. this is relatively true, but a good fight where it's just your wingman and you vs 10 baddies is as much if not more fun. Bonus points if you use historical moves.
4. this depends on the person. Personally, my challenge is staying in the air, and seeing how large of a red blob I can fly into and still come out alive.
5. I use it to say hello, or wtg/<S> someone. But I don't really "smacktalk"
6. I don't ridicule the fact they do it, I ridicule some of the methods. It is completely unnecessary to level the entire base.
7. Wrong. I think that is one of the key points in being a "furballer". We really don't care if we "die", so we go into any fight, no matter the odds. It is fun for us.
i think your answers reflect exactly the feelings of every 'furballer' mensa
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This is the same guy we proved to be lying about the whole incident before--complete with wittnesses and film. He refused to ask for the film.
And while "any 6 guys from his squad can do more in an hour then the alliance can do in a weekend"...let's look at the numbers shall we?
Since quoting all the numbers for all 15 squads in the Knight's Alliance would be overkill, let's just make it easy and quote the numbers for his squad vs my squad
Tour 101, LW
71st RAF, snaphook commanding:
Overall Rank: 169
Total Kills: 899
Field Captures: 1
Bomber Damage Points: 240,244
77th FS "Gamblers", ROX commanding
Overall Rank 140
Total Kills 3,180
Field Captures 5
Bomber Damage Points 74,076,431
This guy lost all credibility the last time he did this, and what's left just got sucked out the window. He also gets a "D" in name-calling.
We rest our case, your honor.
ROX
I am not CO or XO of 71 Squadron, Redtop is CO, I believe SteffK is XO and Batfink functions as a fill in for both. Biggles and I function as a kind of CO/XO for our C wing but its really more for book keeping then anything else. Of the 12 members in C wing only 7 actually even flew last tour at all.
Those 7 pilots flew 424 fighter sorties and scored 463 kills and ranked 77 overall (not that we worry about rank). If I compare that to the 77th whcih flew 3720 sorties for just 1652 kills and had a fighter rank of 343. 77th squad has 27 members with 20 being active.
So....roughly 3 times the numbers flew over 8 times the sorties to land just over 3 times the kills. Strictly as a fighter on fighter squad any flight of 4 from 71 Squad could hammer down any mission you guys upped.
The attack numbers are pretty similiar, so basically in any aspect of game play that involves flying a plane vs another plane even C wing with its limited headcount and obvious lack of leadership (afterall its just me with Biggles in SE asia) is capable of totally dominating your entire squad.
My issue with you has nothing to do with your overall lack of ability. Its your pompous nature and arrogance totally unsupported by either ability, character or true leadership skills. Whats really funny when you look at the raw numbers is that for the most part 71 squadron flies in the thick of the action, almost always out numbered and often in high ENY rides (and in my case normally the A-20 or P-39D) while by and large your squad only engages in large numbers with significant advantage. Anytime you actually meet any meaningful resistance you get slaughtered...hence your complaints of spying etc.
When you actually look at the numbers its really shocking just how pitiful you guys are. A squad with 20 active members flying for over 500 hrs in fighter mode and ranking 343rd?????
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Humble, there is no need to defend yourself or the 71st on here. His posting the "numbers" backfired on him. Those who actually play the game know it.
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A real classy thing to do would be to let this thread die. Rox hasn't posted in a while, maybe that's what he's doing.
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A real classy thing to do would be to let this thread die. Rox hasn't posted in a while, maybe that's what he's doing.
Agreed