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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: JunkyII on August 10, 2009, 03:30:30 AM
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no reason to do it you tools, we dont want the perks from winning the war, we get them by killing your spit 16s and n1ks in 20+ eny birds. STOP THE TOOLSHEDDING!!!!! :furious
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Aaaah, fun police been around I see ;)
Gotta love the "ooh, look, theres a fight going on over there, lets kill the FH" mentality - I asked someone once just after they'd dropped the FH and killed off what was a great little fight going on (I say little, numbers were mostly even, and there was a lot of either side getting it on. The answer I got was, "wanted to see if I could".
Wurzel
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Aaaah, fun police been around I see ;)
Gotta love the "ooh, look, theres a fight going on over there, lets kill the FH" mentality - I asked someone once just after they'd dropped the FH and killed off what was a great little fight going on (I say little, numbers were mostly even, and there was a lot of either side getting it on. The answer I got was, "wanted to see if I could".
Wurzel
lol, I hate the answer i got tonight, "This is what this game is about, winning the war" :noid
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grow some and kill them before they get there :aok
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Had they not been in green, I would have done lol........damn that killshooter
Wurzel
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Nincompoops . :rofl + 1
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A law unto itself.
In reality the bomber guy thinks he's helping and in some instances, rarely though, it is welcomed. For the bomber guys I ask this one question..."where do the troops run to?"
Bomber Guys
Here's the low down. Not every big friendly dar bar over an enemy field is a capture attempt. It may well have developed over a failed capture for sure. It may well have developed over a period of time and been on going for a few hours. You'll not know this if you haven't seen it develop from the get go. So ask the question..."is anyone trying to capture xyz?"
There's nothing wrong with you capturing fields underneath a big fight but you ain't capturing nothing by avacadoting hangers....the troops run in the map room not the FH's. So the priority is making sure the towns flat and the VH is flat before you even think about avacadoting hangers.
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Your doing it wrongly. LOL!
The bomber guys are just pissing on your parade for the express purpose of making you angry and he did his job well obviously.
Have a nice day! :aok
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Had they not been in green, I would have done lol........damn that killshooter
Wurzel
+1 Knights have a habit of killing the FHs only.......this isnt doing any good for base taking or furballing, a certain 1sqaudname sqaud thinks if they kill furballs, the furballers will help take bases....
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Capture attempts are great.
They precipitate fights.
One lone guy turning hangers into smoking craters, simply for the sake of it, is toolshedding.
Bombing hangers in the process of capping a field for capture serves a purpose.
When the town is untouched, and troops are not even remotely on the way, it's toolshedding.
Toolshedding = bombing the highly dangerous, inanimate buildings that, in and of themselves, cannot do any damage to you.
Toolshedding hangers whilst both sides are trying to, and have been, furballing for a while is just pissing on someone's Cheerios and proves that the person doing the bombing has no skills or interest in flying fighter planes.
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:lol
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+1 Knights have a habit of killing the FHs only.......this isnt doing any good for base taking or furballing, a certain 1sqaudname sqaud thinks if they kill furballs, the furballers will help take bases....
While I personally have no data to prove this, the bomber/fighter relationship is fairly symbiotic. Bomber missions get people at that base to up for defense. Furballers help keep the defenders from kicking the bomber guy's tulips and provide cover for troops.
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no reason to do it you tools, we dont want the perks from winning the war, we get them by killing your spit 16s and n1ks in 20+ eny birds. STOP THE TOOLSHEDDING!!!!! :furious
The funny part of that all, was the person in question was named "DOGFITE" :rofl
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While I personally have no data to prove this, the bomber/fighter relationship is fairly symbiotic. Bomber missions get people at that base to up for defense. Furballers help keep the defenders from kicking the bomber guy's tulips and provide cover for troops.
nah Von, what imtrying to say is that they get mad seeing like 20-30 knights furballing 20 30 bish at certain bases all the time(all maps have these). They know the furballers have no intention of taking the base so they drop FH to kill the fight in hopes to get use out of the furballersThe funny part of that all, was the person in question was named "DOGFITE" :rofl
ironic right, funny thing is you can ask them not to do it politely explaining how its going to ruin peoples fun, have 10 other people saying the same thing to them and they respond with "Youll thank me later when we win the war".......................That statement almost killed me when i saw it on country :lol
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So ask the question..."is anyone trying to capture xyz?"
I will say, you know how hard it is to get an answer from anyone on country?
Many's the times I've been up heavy in a Hog approaching a base...
Saxman: IB Heavy, A53. What needs to be hit?
Tweedle Dee: Another Spit rolling, MINEMINEMINEMINE!
Tweedle Dum: D00d, you stole my kill!
Saxman: IB Heavy, A53. What needs to be hit?
Tweedle Too: Nice vulch!
Saxman: Can I get a Sit Rep A53? I have ords IB, where do you need them?
Tweedle Dum: High Typhie IB.
Tweedle Dee: Damn picktard!
Saxman: REPEAT: IB Heavy, A53. What needs to be hit?
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I know your pain Saxman!!! :salute
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Oh, here we go again. :rolleyes:
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no reason to do it you tools, we dont want the perks from winning the war, we get them by killing your spit 16s and n1ks in 20+ eny birds. STOP THE TOOLSHEDDING!!!!! :furious
i always thought toolshedding was bombing undefended targets.
if you're fighting there, then the target is...or shouldn't be.......undefended.
defend it better. :aok
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no reason to do it you tools, we dont want the perks from winning the war, we get them by killing your spit 16s and n1ks in 20+ eny birds. STOP THE TOOLSHEDDING!!!!! :furious
Solution:
1 Static arena for the furballers. 1 Dynamic where the war can be won. Everyone happy right.
But Junky et al will then:
a) Fly exclusively in the dynamic arena and moan about "toolshedders" becuase they parasite off that aspect of the game.
b) Happily fly in the static arena and moan about something else.
I think if you dont agree petition HTC for another DA so you will have somewhere else built for you, you dont go!!!!!! :rofl
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i always thought toolshedding was bombing undefended targets.
I thought milkrunning was bombing undefended targets...toolshedding was bombing buildings for no other reason than to bomb them. Either way it's lame, but to each their own. Do it often enough and upset enough people and you'll enjoy the rest of your AH2 career flying alone.
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Is there anything people won't whine about around here? :huh Sometimes 200 looks like romper room...<"that's my toy"..."you're a runtard"..."i got more skillz than u"..."u hobag"...blah blah blah...> and most of the dweebs doin the talkin are supposedly adults and parents...so you're an uber toon plane ace fighter pilot big deal...must give you a real nice woody announcing that fact in the text buffer on a game...great examples of "adults".
You don't want your precious hangars blown up, try getting people to do some bomber intercept. Hell, if I'm online and we're on the same team, I'll do it; that is if I haven't gotten the sudden urge to knock out the hangars on a base that is hosting the horde trying to take one of my teams bases. It's going to happen no matter how much you whine about it, in game or in the forums.
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Great Topic i agree if theres 20 friendly's capping the field why drop FH's ......... Am i the only one tht like's to kill :)
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You don't want your precious hangars blown up, try getting people to do some bomber intercept. Hell, if I'm online and we're on the same team, I'll do it; that is if I haven't gotten the sudden urge to knock out the hangars on a base that is hosting the horde trying to take one of my teams bases. It's going to happen no matter how much you whine about it, in game or in the forums.
The problem isn't the bad guy knocking down my hangar (like you said, I should defend it better). The problem is the "good" guy doing so.
Knocking down the FHs accomplishes a few things from a "good guy" perspective:
1. It forces ALL enemy fighters to up from a distant field, and have an Alt/E advantage when they arrive;
2. IF the base is quickly captured, it means you can't up fighters from it for a few minutes (and if it's so quickly captured, why did you need to knock down the hangars?)
3. It generally leads to an exodus of the better fighter types (I'll hang around a base capture, but I'm not hanging around for sight seeing)
Really, from a "good guy" perspective, knocking them down just doesn't make that much sense. At least not usually. 5k "Malta" bases like the one in Trinity (A5 I think?) being the exception to the rule.
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Great Topic i agree if theres 20 friendly's capping the field why drop FH's ......... Am i the only one tht like's to kill :)
Plenty of stories out there about the one La-7 that gets through the CAP to pop the Goon while the rest of the friendlies are too busy vulching to bother chasing him down.
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The problem isn't the bad guy knocking down my hangar (like you said, I should defend it better). The problem is the "good" guy doing so.
Knocking down the FHs accomplishes a few things from a "good guy" perspective:
1. It forces ALL enemy fighters to up from a distant field, and have an Alt/E advantage when they arrive;
2. IF the base is quickly captured, it means you can't up fighters from it for a few minutes (and if it's so quickly captured, why did you need to knock down the hangars?)
3. It generally leads to an exodus of the better fighter types (I'll hang around a base capture, but I'm not hanging around for sight seeing)
Really, from a "good guy" perspective, knocking them down just doesn't make that much sense. At least not usually. 5k "Malta" bases like the one in Trinity (A5 I think?) being the exception to the rule.
See, now that makes sense Vudak. If knocking out the hangars isn't required to take the base, and taking the base is the primary objective, then it doesn't make any sense to bomb them. :aok
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I thought milkrunning was bombing undefended targets...toolshedding was bombing buildings for no other reason than to bomb them. Either way it's lame, but to each their own. Do it often enough and upset enough people and you'll enjoy the rest of your AH2 career flying alone.
I always thought the same thing.
I think what Junky is getting at is:
When the "Win teh warrrr" types get pissed that no one is helping with the real estate business they find the biggest furball and toolshed the hangers in hopes of garnering "help" from the furball types. (I'm being polite here) OR the non-polite version is "Screw those furballers, I'm gonna drop the hangers so there is nothing for them to fight"
Bombing hangers is all fine and good if is part of an objective. If it is not part of a plan to take a base, it is toolshedding. If no defense, it is milkrunning. It's actually all semantics.
But for my opinion (not that it's worth anything) If you bomb Hangers at a base where there is/has been a furball for any length of time, town is full up, nobody is calling for ords/troops/help and players on either side are asking to not have the Hangers bomber, but you come bomb the hangers for the sole purpose of trying to spoil the fight, then you are a Toolshedder.
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I thought milkrunning was bombing undefended targets...toolshedding was bombing buildings for no other reason than to bomb them. Either way it's lame, but to each their own. Do it often enough and upset enough people and you'll enjoy the rest of your AH2 career flying alone.
hhmm...you may be right.
poop
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Field capture is the worst aspect of arena play because the conditions for its success are the opposite of semi-balanced air combat. Those of you who say it's necessary to precipitate fights could not be more wrong.
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Yarbles hit it!
1 Static arena, no base captures, hangars are indestructable, etc etc.... No complaints about, "Das Funkilla's", etc... Hmmm, sounds kinda like the DA to me tho..
1 Dynamic arena, War win IS the goal... Everyone KNOWS it, before they log in... So, no room for cryin when the Redguys put the full smash on your base.. It is EXPECTED!!!
But there will always be someone who gets in a tizzy over a run in their pantyhose... No matter what HT does with the arena's.... Wonder what the numbers in each would be?
It's just the way of the world these days I guess!
RC
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Just my two cents, and being that I'm new to AH2 after 10 years off, this may not be realistic solution, but what about pm'ing some of the opposing squads and picking two bases to up from on the far side of the map when somebody decides to be a turd? Wed used to do this in AW to keep furballs going.
I was there last night when DOGFITE bombed the FH and ruined both sides' fun, and it was a lot of fun while it was going on...
mir
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The problem isn't the bad guy knocking down my hangar (like you said, I should defend it better). The problem is the "good" guy doing so.
Knocking down the FHs accomplishes a few things from a "good guy" perspective:
1. It forces ALL enemy fighters to up from a distant field, and have an Alt/E advantage when they arrive;
2. IF the base is quickly captured, it means you can't up fighters from it for a few minutes (and if it's so quickly captured, why did you need to knock down the hangars?)
3. It generally leads to an exodus of the better fighter types (I'll hang around a base capture, but I'm not hanging around for sight seeing)
Really, from a "good guy" perspective, knocking them down just doesn't make that much sense. At least not usually. 5k "Malta" bases like the one in Trinity (A5 I think?) being the exception to the rule.
Agreed on all points, but especially the second one.
Base capturing and missions are good for the furballers, also. As I've stated before, it gets defenders to up. I am more than happy to follow a mission. I'll even take some ordinance with me, drop it on town, and then proceed to help cap a base.
If the real estate guys want the furballers to put up a cap for them, than leave most of the base buildings intact. If you drop all FH, and try to continue the momentum to the next base, it just wont happen. I, personally am not in the habit of waiting for the toolsheds to come up when there is probably another fight going on somewhere else.
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no reason to do it you tools, we dont want the perks from winning the war, we get them by killing your spit 16s and n1ks in 20+ eny birds. STOP THE TOOLSHEDDING!!!!! :furious
Why do you think that you have the right to shout at folks and tell them what to do?
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I wish I could learn how to play like everbody else....Its lonely being a bomber guy.........There is no love......
999000 <S>
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I wish I could learn how to play like everbody else....Its lonely being a bomber guy.........There is no love......
999000 <S>
ROFLMAO!!! :rofl
I love flying escort for the egg crates (as long as it's not an NOE suicide run), never know what's going to happen.
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In fact, if you're trying to capture a base it makes more sense to flatten the hangers of the adjacent bases to prevent the high alt fighter sweep/cap busters coming in also helping the immediate defence of the newly captured base.
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In fact, if you're trying to capture a base it makes more sense to flatten the hangers of the adjacent bases to prevent the high alt fighter sweep/cap busters coming in also helping the immediate defence of the newly captured base.
heh....last night in mw, if you were below 20k, you were the low guy.
tiffies and 262's all over the place...............
poop
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grow some and kill them before they get there :aok
but it is too much work to fight,, and "defend" against attack, just fly over and surrender your bird to his guns, lol
the game is here for many reasons!
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Ah Junky my young Pig-o-wan. Too frustrated you are. Clearly think you must. Evil the red side is.
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i don,t see how this is any different than having an excellent gv fight at some base, so some sore loser who can,t gv goes and bombs all the gv hangers to stop the fight, yet i don't see anyone besides me complaining about that, o wait i forgot there are no good gv fights! :x
why do i care? :huh why did i even post? :cry i know what will happen! oh well :furious
:noid :noid :noid
just funnin ya!
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Field capture is the worst aspect of arena play because the conditions for its success are the opposite of semi-balanced air combat. Those of you who say it's necessary to precipitate fights could not be more wrong.
Speaking in general terms I'm really no fan of base capture, I could care less who wins the war. I log on each night hoping beyond hope to find one of those really good fights, the ones that see-saw back and forth with no side getting the fight all the way back to the other's base.... but I digress.
I think base capture is a necessary part of game play, I think it does do a good job of funneling players into a single space that then creates player v player conflict. Separate arenas I think would be a horrible move on the part of HTC, while it appears to have a lot of momentum and proponents here on the BBS I think they represent a pretty small but vocal part of the community as a whole. Most players I think enjoy the mix of game play options the current arena affords. What I would be curious to toy with is a different field and arena set up. I'd like to see what game play field complexes would yield rather than the single point we have now. Historically there were several strips within a given area, some people may recall the Fighter 1 strip located a few miles from the main strip at Henderson at Guadalcanal, B-25's strafing Rabaul had to be wary of planes upping from one of the other fields nearby and arriving over head if they lingered too long, etc.
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I'd like to see what game play field complexes would yield rather than the single point we have now. Historically there were several strips within a given area, some people may recall the Fighter 1 strip located a few miles from the main strip at Henderson at Guadalcanal, B-25's strafing Rabaul had to be wary of planes upping from one of the other fields nearby and arriving over head if they lingered too long, etc.
A big +1.
The fights would be epic around them, and they would be very difficult to steamroll, by the side that hordes.
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A big +1.
The fights would be epic around them, and they would be very difficult to steamroll, by the side that hordes.
What's wrong with a horde sweeping bases? It takes numbers if grabbing real estate becomes the nightly goal...happens all the time, just before the channel 200 whining begins.
Wouldn't be very difficult to steam roll a base even if there were auxilliary airfields a few miles away, a coordinated attack en masse would result in ever strategic point being leveled and the auxilliary field hangars would be the first things to get leveled...and you think the "tool shedding" is bad now?
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What's wrong with a horde sweeping bases? It takes numbers if grabbing real estate becomes the nightly goal...happens all the time, just before the channel 200 whining begins.
Wouldn't be very difficult to steam roll a base even if there were auxilliary airfields a few miles away, a coordinated attack en masse would result in ever strategic point being leveled and the auxilliary field hangars would be the first things to get leveled...and you think the "tool shedding" is bad now?
uumm....there ARE bases just a few miles away in most of the maps i see.
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What's wrong with a horde sweeping bases? It takes numbers if grabbing real estate becomes the nightly goal...happens all the time, just before the channel 200 whining begins.
Wouldn't be very difficult to steam roll a base even if there were auxilliary airfields a few miles away, a coordinated attack en masse would result in ever strategic point being leveled and the auxilliary field hangars would be the first things to get leveled...and you think the "tool shedding" is bad now?
You know it IS possible to overestimate the abilities of your adversaries, as well? :D
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A big +1.
The fights would be epic around them, and they would be very difficult to steamroll, by the side that hordes.
That would be the hope, a single base with dispersed runways and FH to make it harder to close down the field, allow planes to hopefully get a little speed and air under their wings before being forced to engage. This in turn would keep players upping to fight longer and put off the vulch. For a player like myself who thinks of base capture as little more than an excuse to put players in the same airspace this idea sounds really really appealing. But I can also imagine that the flip side to that would just mean bigger hordes flying around the map because that would then be seen as the only solution for the player who's primary interest is the gaining of real estate, I can see how this idea could backfire.
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Again on the flip side..... large hordes mean thin lines elsewhere.
It can get boring in either area. It's what happens in between that makes the game.
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I know a lot of AH players are kinda forced to be bomber pilot, especially after the new expansion. I had a few conversation with a few bomber pilots. They love the dog fight, however their computer just can't handle it. When they fly close to the ground in a fighter, or looking at an air field, their frame rate is like 4-10 per sec, which is almost impossible to fly. Which forced some of them to fly bomber, because the altitude lessen the graphic demand on the weak computer.
A lot of folks just don't have a good enough comp to handle it =/
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I know a lot of AH players are kinda forced to be bomber pilot, especially after the new expansion. I had a few conversation with a few bomber pilots. They love the dog fight, however their computer just can't handle it. When they fly close to the ground in a fighter, or looking at an air field, their frame rate is like 4-10 per sec, which is almost impossible to fly. Which forced some of them to fly bomber, because the altitude lessen the graphic demand on the weak computer.
A lot of folks just don't have a good enough comp to handle it =/
+1
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I know a lot of AH players are kinda forced to be bomber pilot, especially after the new expansion. I had a few conversation with a few bomber pilots. They love the dog fight, however their computer just can't handle it. When they fly close to the ground in a fighter, or looking at an air field, their frame rate is like 4-10 per sec, which is almost impossible to fly. Which forced some of them to fly bomber, because the altitude lessen the graphic demand on the weak computer.
A lot of folks just don't have a good enough comp to handle it =/
i was forced to either drive gv's or bomb...when my toe was infected, as i wasn't able to use my rudders.
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I've got to say I enjoy base taking and I enjoy being on defense also , the big furball is a blast , and a good tank fight is a riot to me . For my 15.00 bucks I like it all . I'd rather take a base with hangers and ords up then you can use it . On defense bomb all around you and close them down to buy time . But heck if a good furball is a raging on I'll get knee deep in it and roll . This game has many facets and ways to play it . I just enjoy it , if someone ruins it , I can go to other areas or arenas no big deal .
Nutte :salute
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Aces High Gameplay
Capturing territory through the use of air, land and sea power is the objective in Aces High II(it says so main page game info/help/playing the game)
so if you want to Furball goto DA cos if it means hitting FHS cos furballers are to busy score whoring(dont know why there no money to win)
that the 1 la7 shooting the goon down or the last troop entering the maproom i say bomb the FHs :x :x :x
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The only time I consider dropping hangers is after the furball has made to our field and now their guys decide that vulching is the most fun thing to do now.
Mostly I do this as a stress relief as it ticks me off to have such a fun fight ruined by a bunch of ganging vulchers. Now this may not be the right thing to do and many of you may not agree with it but it is does put a smile on my face doing it and most times I end up fighting a few guys while trying to return anyway. Most times in these circumstances the hangers are back up by the time the vulch fest as been busted anyway and will even help by keeping those that are shot down from returning too fast, thus allowing the fight to push back a little closer to the enemy field.
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Aces High Gameplay
Capturing territory through the use of air, land and sea power is the objective in Aces High II(it says so main page game info/help/playing the game)
so if you want to Furball goto DA cos if it means hitting FHS cos furballers are to busy score whoring(dont know why there no money to win)
that the 1 la7 shooting the goon down or the last troop entering the maproom i say bomb the FHs :x :x :x
We are score potatos? Shirley, you must be jesting.
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I will say, you know how hard it is to get an answer from anyone on country?
Many's the times I've been up heavy in a Hog approaching a base...
Saxman: IB Heavy, A53. What needs to be hit?
Tweedle Dee: Another Spit rolling, MINEMINEMINEMINE!
Tweedle Dum: D00d, you stole my kill!
Saxman: IB Heavy, A53. What needs to be hit?
Tweedle Too: Nice vulch!
Saxman: Can I get a Sit Rep A53? I have ords IB, where do you need them?
Tweedle Dum: High Typhie IB.
Tweedle Dee: Damn picktard!
Saxman: REPEAT: IB Heavy, A53. What needs to be hit?
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl Been there way too many times.
Isn't it the Base stealers that are suppose to complain?
I was on when this happened. My first thought was hangers down for 15 minutes, so what. People enjoy bombing just like they enjoy gv'ing or fighters.
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When the "Win teh warrrr" types get pissed that no one is helping with the real estate business they find the biggest furball and toolshed the hangers in hopes of garnering "help" from the furball types.
Nope.
95% of the time our squad leaves big furballs alone because they keep the hordes busy. When you've got six or eight or even ten guys trying to take a base, why attack a place with 50 defenders already up?
But if you happen to be having your furball at the last enemy base left on a continent or in that region of the map, and we're hoping to annihilate that foothold and return combat to the regular front, or at one of the choke points that abound on the Trinity map, yes, we're going to bomb the hangars and try to take the base.
But for my opinion (not that it's worth anything) If you bomb Hangers at a base where there is/has been a furball for any length of time, town is full up, nobody is calling for ords/troops/help
It makes no sense whatsoever to bomb the town first and then the hangars. You suppress the enemy and *then* secure your objectives - that's just basic tactics in any game. What you're suggesting is like telling a pitcher to throw slow, easy pitches because base hits are more fun for everyone, or tennis players agreeing to hit easy serves so as to get rallies going more often. You can play that way if you like, but don't ask me to. You throw your best pitch or take your best shot and if the other side whiffs it's their fault. Sportsmanship does not demand willful incompetence.
Of course, another amusing fact I see the furballers fail to note is that the "furball" often consists of 20 guys killing the VH (only) and ack and then flying over the runway end-to-end and back, vulching anything that moves, and 20 enemies too dim-witted to understand that upping at that field is a bad idea no matter what their objective is. Sometimes there are also 3 or 4 U-2 wannabes soaring around at 30k looking for the perfect cherry. Being accused of unsporting play by those folks is hilarious. It's like a guy who was trying to vulch you on takeoff whining because he was incompetent enough to let you turn into his attack and HO him, or a guy in a Dora calling you a Spit dweeb because he was dumb enough to get lured into a turn fight.
but you come bomb the hangers for the sole purpose of trying to spoil the fight, then you are a Toolshedder.
I don't know anyone who goes around bombing hangars to spoil others' fun. However, I know several who might give others that reason after the fact just to annoy them more if they whine like little kids whose lollipops are taken away.
Bottom line for all these complaints about alleged toolshedding, MEGA squads, base-taking, war-winning, etc. is this: even the smallest maps have 50+ bases and hundreds of hangars. The bigger ones have more than a thousand hangars. There's no way any one squad, or for that matter any 10 squads, can conceivably shut even 10% of those down at any given time, even just the ones near the front, not with them popping after 15 minutes. There is *always* somewhere to furball if people from both sides want to, and no way for anyone to prevent that even if they wanted to. If it dies down in one place it's bound to pop up again a field or two over.
I wasn't on last night but Saturday afternoon and night I recall seeing a huge bish-nit furball at, IIRC, 141-250 that lasted at least 12 hours without anyone shutting either field down. Have at it if that's what you like to do. You might even find some of us joining in and mixing it up sometimes.
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no reason to do it you tools, we dont want the perks from winning the war, we get them by killing your spit 16s and n1ks in 20+ eny birds. STOP THE TOOLSHEDDING!!!!! :furious
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Spot 0N SaxMan
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Aces High Gameplay
Capturing territory through the use of air, land and sea power is the objective in Aces High II(it says so main page game info/help/playing the game)
so if you want to Furball goto DA cos if it means hitting FHS cos furballers are to busy score whoring(dont know why there no money to win)
that the 1 la7 shooting the goon down or the last troop entering the maproom i say bomb the FHs :x :x :x
This is an utterly narrow minded, mioptic view of the game. The game is meant to cater to different gameplay styles and tastes, not one to the exclusion of all others.
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This is an utterly narrow minded, mioptic view of the game. The game is meant to cater to different gameplay styles and tastes, not one to the exclusion of all others.
I honestly wish most of the morons who play this game would realise that....
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It makes no sense whatsoever to bomb the town first and then the hangars. You suppress the enemy and *then* secure your objectives - that's just basic tactics in any game.
You are looking at suppression in a very microscopic light. Instead refer to the maxim "Divide and Conquer." You want to isolate the base--not make it a beacon for reinforcements.
Destroy the FHs from reinforcing bases, not the one you wish to take (and then presumably use as a launch pad for future operations). When you destroy the FHs at your target base, it forces every enemy fighter to launch from further away, and gain altitude and energy. Since fights naturally progress towards the deck, your attacker's energy will be spent by the time reinforcements arrive.
If the VH and ack are destroyed, there is no way any threat is upping from the base in question. Base captures don't (or really, really shouldn't) fail because of the "sole La7 that ups" but because attrition works against the attacker, and that attrition is multiplied by losses to GV's, ack, and higher enemy reinforcements.
Further, speed is vital, and at the end of the day what that translates to is how quickly the town is taken down. Every bombing pass spent on something else kills speed.
As an aside, it would help if base-taking players took a more keen interest in their personal development in dogfighting, as a key reason many plans don't work is because 4-5 fighters invariably try to simultaneously tackle the same enemy con.
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I honestly wish most of the morons who play this game would realise that....
Yea me too, why force people to play your game style. When the game is design so that everyone can do whatever style they like. Why is it gotta be your way or gtfo
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Aces High Gameplay
Capturing territory through the use of air, land and sea power is the objective in Aces High II(it says so main page game info/help/playing the game)
so if you want to Furball goto DA cos if it means hitting FHS cos furballers are to busy score whoring(dont know why there no money to win)
that the 1 la7 shooting the goon down or the last troop entering the maproom i say bomb the FHs :x :x :x
You expect us to abide by your game play style and yet, when we ask the same you and the other toolshedders go out of your way to purposely ruin our fight in an attempt to force us to play your way. I have yet to see any 'furballers' do the same to the toolshedders, we're not asking you to stop your limp wristed playing style, we're just asking you stop ruining our fun.
I also find it that you tools will use the excuse that you're stopping us from 'score whoring', especially when the majority of the score potatos are amongst your merry band of limp wristed toolshedders.
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How many times I bomb the FH's, which in turns kills a fight, depends on the number of anti-buff whines logged in the forum. The more buff whines the more I like to kill FH's to piss off fighter pilots. Because of this thread alone I will need to kill at least 250 fights over the next week. *phew* I've got alot of work to do.
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You dirt farmers can have the bases... I only need one to up from for a fight.
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I don't know anyone who goes around bombing hangars to spoil others' fun.
Here ya go...
How many times I bomb the FH's, which in turns kills a fight, depends on the number of anti-buff whines logged in the forum. The more buff whines the more I like to kill FH's to piss off fighter pilots. Because of this thread alone I will need to kill at least 250 fights over the next week. *phew* I've got alot of work to do.
See, no shortage of morons...
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Here ya go...
See, no shortage of morons...
Hey Hey Hey! If you're going to insult me at least use the correct terms. I'm a "Total Retarded Idiot" not a moron. Just ask around the boards and arena, they'll agree.
P.S. Just for that Sunbat the MA will have to suffer another 250 fight killing base closures! Mwahahahahahah.........mwahah ahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hah............MWAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHahah ahahahah.....ahahahah....ahah ........ah.................
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Hey Hey Hey! If you're going to insult me at least use the correct terms. I'm a "Total Retarded Idiot" not a moron.
Some folks do not recognize the degrees and disciplines involved in that profession.
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Hey Hey Hey! If you're going to insult me at least use the correct terms. I'm a "Total Retarded Idiot" not a moron. Just ask around the boards and arena, they'll agree.
P.S. Just for that Sunbat the MA will have to suffer another 250 fight killing base closures! Mwahahahahahah.........mwahah ahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hah............MWAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHahah ahahahah.....ahahahah....ahah ........ah.................
hahaha :D
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How many times I bomb the FH's, which in turns kills a fight, depends on the number of anti-buff whines logged in the forum. The more buff whines the more I like to kill FH's to piss off fighter pilots. Because of this thread alone I will need to kill at least 250 fights over the next week. *phew* I've got alot of work to do.
How about we cut a deal, I keep the nasty fighters from shooting down your bombers if you keep the pesky wirbles and ostwinds at bay. :D
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Ok lets make a deal........ I won't drop FH if the bad guys don't pork the ordinace....ok?
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Stop dropping FHs.... :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl....NOT!!!!!!! I get to much enjoyment reading posts like this to stop dropping the hangers.
and to think here i was thinking my handiwork wasnt recognized :D
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You are looking at suppression in a very microscopic light. Instead refer to the maxim "Divide and Conquer." You want to isolate the base--not make it a beacon for reinforcements.
Nah, that's just beyond the scope of this discussion - you're talking about which FHs to bomb, not whether to bomb them at all, or when. And it depends on the situation. If a base is already isolated by geography it's best to hammer it directly, and if it has several large and medium fields nearby, isolating it is doomed to failure.
When you destroy the FHs at your target base, it forces every enemy fighter to launch from further away, and gain altitude and energy. Since fights naturally progress towards the deck, your attacker's energy will be spent by the time reinforcements arrive.
Not true. The closer base always has the advantage, because as you mention below, time is everything; if you have time, you have alt. A defender can up, HO one attacker, die, and be up again inside 20 seconds; even if he only kills one attacker every 3-4 times he ups, he's doing more damage than a pilot who kills 2-3 enemies but is out of the fight for 10+ minutes when he dies. If the defenders manage to gain a numerical edge it's very difficult to lose it, beause at any given time half or more of the attackers are in transit. If the hangers are flat and the attackers have a CV a mile offshore, the reverse is true - the attackers can both gang up on defenders and climb at their leisure when the defenders are dead.
If the VH and ack are destroyed, there is no way any threat is upping from the base in question.
True, to some degree, but it's easier and just as effective (see above) to take out the hangars. Give me two other good buff pilots and a formation of Lancs and we can flatten a small base in one run and the town in a second (one if the angle permits one run for both). Two or three fighters can deack a port or V-base, but not an airfield and town, and some of them are likely to be crippled or shot down in the process.
Base captures don't (or really, really shouldn't) fail because of the "sole La7 that ups" but because attrition works against the attacker,
Sometimes killing two goons is enough, if it's a long flight. But more impotant, precisely: it's all about attrition. But why does attrition work against the attacker? Because he has to spend time coming back and the defender can use that delay to his advantage. If your contention above were true, that would be an advantage, because the attacker has all that time to grab alt. But it isn't, because the defender can spend that same time shooting the remaining attackers down and then grabbing alt, or having several planers do each.[/quote]
and that attrition is multiplied by losses to GV's, ack, and higher enemy reinforcements.
I don't think anyone who's played the game more than a month would dispute that the VH is the first priority (with the possible exception of ords, if you're attacking from a CV close by). As for ack, as I said, taking down six hangers is quicker, safer, and requires fewer people. Sure, if you have 15 or 20 attackers, de-ack and vulch, but who needs 15-20 people to capture a base? And unless you've got 20 attackers capping, in which case it's a moot point, ten or twenty uppers are better for the defense than reinforcements coming in high one at a time.
Further, speed is vital, and at the end of the day what that translates to is how quickly the town is taken down. Every bombing pass spent on something else kills speed.
Your second statement does not follow from the first, because however you slice it it is necessary to take the town down and suppress the defenders to take a base, and because bombing six neatly lined-up hangars is quicker and more foolproof than hitting 20 scattered acks and quicker than bombing 12 or 18 hangars at nearby bases.
(It is possible to take a base by having 3 sets of buffs come in NOE and pop at the last second to flatten the town without going near the field, and having a goon follow immediately behind, but that depends absolutely on surprise and few or no defenders being up when you get there. It's also possible to take it in a GV rush without touching the field, and we do that sometimes, but if the defenders are even mildly alert it's a low-odds proposition for the same reason given above re: attrition - attackers who die take much longer to return than defenders.)
As an aside, it would help if base-taking players took a more keen interest in their personal development in dogfighting, as a key reason many plans don't work is because 4-5 fighters invariably try to simultaneously tackle the same enemy con.
Judging by the number of players who act that way, especially in the giant endless furballs, I don't think that is any more common among those who like base-taking than anyone else.
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Nah, that's just beyond the scope of this discussion - you're talking about which FHs to bomb, not whether to bomb them at all, or when. And it depends on the situation. If a base is already isolated by geography it's best to hammer it directly, and if it has several large and medium fields nearby, isolating it is doomed to failure.
If you paid attention, he's saying to pound the nearby large and medium fields into rubble, thus isolating your target base. Which then trying to take it will NOT be doomed to failure, because the enemy will be unable to mount a strong counter attack from those surrounding fields.
The tricky part is depending on the size or number of fields, it takes a VERY well-organized, coordinated and ACCURATE strike to knock the surrounding fields out fast enough to put them all out of action before one pops again (think of it as one person trying to jabo a CV to death with a Zeke). Not too hard to guess how often you see a coordinated, multi-target operation of THAT level of complexity on the Mains (just the sort of thing for us FSO dweebs, tho :D ).
Not true. The closer base always has the advantage, because as you mention below, time is everything; if you have time, you have alt. A defender can up, HO one attacker, die, and be up again inside 20 seconds; even if he only kills one attacker every 3-4 times he ups, he's doing more damage than a pilot who kills 2-3 enemies but is out of the fight for 10+ minutes when he dies. If the defenders manage to gain a numerical edge it's very difficult to lose it, beause at any given time half or more of the attackers are in transit. If the hangers are flat and the attackers have a CV a mile offshore, the reverse is true - the attackers can both gang up on defenders and climb at their leisure when the defenders are dead.
For the most part this is true, but again, much of this depends on the level of coordination of the attackers. If the attackers put together a concerted, organized strike with everyone rolling together and entering the engagement at once trying to defend against it is brutal.
True, to some degree, but it's easier and just as effective (see above) to take out the hangars. Give me two other good buff pilots and a formation of Lancs and we can flatten a small base in one run and the town in a second (one if the angle permits one run for both). Two or three fighters can deack a port or V-base, but not an airfield and town, and some of them are likely to be crippled or shot down in the process.
A good jabo squadron can shut down a field just as quickly. Town may take a little longer. And deacking depends on the pilot. On a good day I can get most of a small airfield's ack on my own without damage, A lot has to do with your approach angles. Two or three guys who know what they're doing, especially if they're in a cannon ride like a Charlie Hog, can deack a small field quickly and with minimal damage.
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Why do you think that you have the right to shout at folks and tell them what to do?
When it takes away fun of the game from more then just a few people from both sides of the fight, i think anyone has the right to get mad, definately when you have asked these people not to politely
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Aces High Gameplay
Capturing territory through the use of air, land and sea power is the objective in Aces High II(it says so main page game info/help/playing the game)
so if you want to Furball goto DA cos if it means hitting FHS cos furballers are to busy score whoring(dont know why there no money to win)
that the 1 la7 shooting the goon down or the last troop entering the maproom i say bomb the FHs :x :x :x
I really care about score, last night at about 4 to 5 am in the states I was having GREAT fights with sticks alot better then me, but I didnt even score a kill.......problem with DA is the tards in the furball area flying Tempys non stop and 1v1s are boring after awhile because both sides have same E entering the fight...In MA you can find terrain and have to judge peoples E levels in the fight. Im pretty sure this game is based on the fighter expect seieng that at any time probably 90% of the people flying are in fighters alot of which are light....
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Why do you think that you have the right to shout at folks and tell them what to do?
What gives people like DOGFITE (the irony of his handle is too much) and FORTRESS the right to ruin a good fight just because those fighting are not playing how they want us to play? I've never seen one case in all the years I've played AH where a 'furballer' has intentionally gone out and ruined the fight of one of you toolshedders.
We're not saying you can't bomb anything but if you see two sides fighting at a base with neither side intent on capture, just having fun furballing leave us to our fun. There are other targets for you limp wrists to bomb, ruining our fight so we can play how you think we should is not the way to go about getting our cooperation.
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Hey Hey Hey! If you're going to insult me at least use the correct terms. I'm a "Total Retarded Idiot" not a moron.
I'll join ya' in that I'm another idiot, I guess. I'm just glad that when I post a big fat B17 mission with escorts, people still say it's fun as hell. That makes my day. <S>
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Nope.
95% of the time our squad leaves big furballs alone because they keep the hordes busy. When you've got six or eight or even ten guys trying to take a base, why attack a place with 50 defenders already up?
But if you happen to be having your furball at the last enemy base left on a continent or in that region of the map, and we're hoping to annihilate that foothold and return combat to the regular front, or at one of the choke points that abound on the Trinity map, yes, we're going to bomb the hangars and try to take the base.
It makes no sense whatsoever to bomb the town first and then the hangars. You suppress the enemy and *then* secure your objectives - that's just basic tactics in any game. What you're suggesting is like telling a pitcher to throw slow, easy pitches because base hits are more fun for everyone, or tennis players agreeing to hit easy serves so as to get rallies going more often. You can play that way if you like, but don't ask me to. You throw your best pitch or take your best shot and if the other side whiffs it's their fault. Sportsmanship does not demand willful incompetence.
Of course, another amusing fact I see the furballers fail to note is that the "furball" often consists of 20 guys killing the VH (only) and ack and then flying over the runway end-to-end and back, vulching anything that moves, and 20 enemies too dim-witted to understand that upping at that field is a bad idea no matter what their objective is. Sometimes there are also 3 or 4 U-2 wannabes soaring around at 30k looking for the perfect cherry. Being accused of unsporting play by those folks is hilarious. It's like a guy who was trying to vulch you on takeoff whining because he was incompetent enough to let you turn into his attack and HO him, or a guy in a Dora calling you a Spit dweeb because he was dumb enough to get lured into a turn fight.
I don't know anyone who goes around bombing hangars to spoil others' fun. However, I know several who might give others that reason after the fact just to annoy them more if they whine like little kids whose lollipops are taken away.
Bottom line for all these complaints about alleged toolshedding, MEGA squads, base-taking, war-winning, etc. is this: even the smallest maps have 50+ bases and hundreds of hangars. The bigger ones have more than a thousand hangars. There's no way any one squad, or for that matter any 10 squads, can conceivably shut even 10% of those down at any given time, even just the ones near the front, not with them popping after 15 minutes. There is *always* somewhere to furball if people from both sides want to, and no way for anyone to prevent that even if they wanted to. If it dies down in one place it's bound to pop up again a field or two over.
I wasn't on last night but Saturday afternoon and night I recall seeing a huge bish-nit furball at, IIRC, 141-250 that lasted at least 12 hours without anyone shutting either field down. Have at it if that's what you like to do. You might even find some of us joining in and mixing it up sometimes.
Your full of crap guy. Your sqaud is always the first to be trying to take the the fighter hangars at any base. This complaint isnt about horde sqauds or anything, as you know I come from probably one of the top 3 in size sqauds in the game but what we do is go off where we can work alone and take bases, not where the entire country is furballing at. You said something about choke points....On trinity, right now,, you serious theres 18 bases which are on knight land that belong to the rooks take one of those, not the one where the majority of people are just furballing. Its harder for furballers to find fights then it is for base takers to find bases to take, if you want me to prove this i will, before your style of retarding thinking sqauds came along POTW used to run through maps alone which gave most of you ideas for base takes........................ ......gosh im rantingthis is retarded because you cant win a fight with ignorance
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I have to put together a list screenshots of when only the FHs were dropped, nothing else. This may take awhile its gunna be a long list.
oh and for all the bish and rooks notice im hating on knights(which is what i fly for) ill let your countrymen hate on you :aok
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I foresee 15 - 16 pages on this thread. Any bets?
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JunkyII your right on with your posts.
Currently the game is infected with new players who do not totally understand the dynamics of "missions" or "furballing". I see a lot of posts on this thread from total newbs who know nothing about the community.
On maps that do have a sort of "furball area" aka "fighter town" the first thing the dirt farmers do is kill that area so that the furballers will disperse and join one of there base takes. This happens all the time. If you deny it, your too new to the game to know better.
To commenters who say "will defend the base better"...ummmm the furball is usually below 10k. The tools come in at 20k in b26's, nose down to 300mph and make there attack. THERE IS NO WAY you can stop them if everyone is furballing. Besides it wont matter. There will be another one right behind it at 30k doing the same thing.
and BTW.....killing FH to take the base is a waste of time. You kill the town...QUICK, cap the town with a few fighters and roll in the troops...base take in 5 min. I can't recall his name but there is a player who makes missions all the time. He never hits the FH. Only the VH to stop the tanks from entering the town and killing the troops. The town is killed in like 2 min. Two BF110's can kill a town in like 3 min easy.
I am with the furballers. Mabey some of you are with the toolsheders. You tools have no right to dictate how the game is played. All the furballer want to do is have good fight SOMEWHERE on the map without having to deal with dirt farmers and the fun police.
The one thing I see consistently is a total disrespect to players who just want to furball. Seems if your not trying to win the war you should just "go to the DA".
I would like to see you dirt farmers try to take a base deep in enemy territory and hold it long enough to get a few more....but NOOOOOO that would be too hard. Instead lets just go to the nearest furball kill the FH and take that base.
And another thing. NoNE OF YOU dirt farmers could take jack poop without us furballers to cap the base for you. When the last time a bunch of fun police took anything.
Gloves on....take your best shot!!!!!!
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Frankly, I'm convinced much of it is due to fighter envy. They can't hang in a furball so they resort to bombing. They suck in fighters so they don't want anyone else having fun in fighters either. Thus, they make themselves feel better by spoiling other's fun, since they can't have fun as a furballer.
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When it takes away fun of the game from more then just a few people from both sides of the fight, i think anyone has the right to get mad, definitely when you have asked these people not to politely
getting mad about it is one thing, but expecting people to stop playing a game, any game, the way they want, is an act in futility!
especially after they pay there hard earned money!
if you want them too learn how to play your way,then teach them.
I may regret this, but I thought about it long and hard, while writing it, so after some debate with myself, I left it in, it is my opinion, and that is all!
as players come and go i have seen some of them progress, and followed that thru till the end, or current play,if they survived till now, many have not!
those who find mentors, and are willing to learn, go on to fighters pretty fast, others take more time,
and some find only small niches to cultivate such as tanks or bombers,
either because they have not learned to fly fighters well enough to survive in combat one v one or in the furballs,
or just because that is what they like!
tankers being the prime example of that!
although there are a few out there who like to fly the big birds and kill those helpless cities, and the fighters that try to kill them!
still another group wants to play the "game",, win the war!
they ditch the bombers as soon as they have done there job and jump into the goon or the fighter to help capture the base!
and all you have to do is wait, they are coming, they will have numbers, they will have a plan, and you are the monkey wrench in that plan,
i have seen groups like this( heck i have been in this group). who will throw fighters up all day trying to protect the goon and or suppress the defenders to no avail!
then there are the grumps, and all they do is complain about the way everyone else plays, to me this group is the least productive.
i like this game way to much, i think about it when i am not playing, heck i probably ran my wife off because of it, and here i am defending it!
maybe it is time for me to quit!
I think i will study on that for a while, and let ya know! :salute
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LOL...Drop the freeking FHs as often as you want guys. As long as they're Bish and Nits. (now how about the obligatory hump my ankle retort and how I won't be playing the game in a couple months as you are superior in all that is AH because you been playing it for 25 years...ya ya ya...whine whine whine.) If HiTech didn't want them knocked down then they would not program them to be knocked down) Hump this!
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Nope.
95% of the time our squad leaves big furballs alone because they keep the hordes busy. When you've got six or eight or even ten guys trying to take a base, why attack a place with 50 defenders already up?
Using one squad, out of an enormous player base is, by no means a way to present a true representation of the entire spectrum of game-play. It is ludicrous to think that every squad is going to be like yours, admirable as it is.
But if you happen to be having your furball at the last enemy base left on a continent or in that region of the map, and we're hoping to annihilate that foothold and return combat to the regular front, or at one of the choke points that abound on the Trinity map, yes, we're going to bomb the hangars and try to take the base.
Indeed, that makes perfect sense, and I do not disagree.
It makes no sense whatsoever to bomb the town first and then the hangars. You suppress the enemy and *then* secure your objectives - that's just basic tactics in any game. What you're suggesting is like telling a pitcher to throw slow, easy pitches because base hits are more fun for everyone, or tennis players agreeing to hit easy serves so as to get rallies going more often. You can play that way if you like, but don't ask me to. You throw your best pitch or take your best shot and if the other side whiffs it's their fault. Sportsmanship does not demand willful incompetence.
That is precisely not what I am saying. There is also no willful incompetence suggested, or implied. Spoiling the game-play of others for the sole purpose of doing so, is exactly what I'm saying.
Of course, another amusing fact I see the furballers fail to note is that the "furball" often consists of 20 guys killing the VH (only) and ack and then flying over the runway end-to-end and back, vulching anything that moves, and 20 enemies too dim-witted to understand that upping at that field is a bad idea no matter what their objective is. Sometimes there are also 3 or 4 U-2 wannabes soaring around at 30k looking for the perfect cherry. Being accused of unsporting play by those folks is hilarious. It's like a guy who was trying to vulch you on takeoff whining because he was incompetent enough to let you turn into his attack and HO him, or a guy in a Dora calling you a Spit dweeb because he was dumb enough to get lured into a turn fight.
Anyone that gets vulched, does so of their own accord. Nobody is making them spawn a new plane. Keeping one's self from being picked is as simple as looking around, noticing, identifying the craft and its potential/strengths, weaknesses and evaluating whether or not it's worth getting fixated on a target. To agree further, anyone getting caught up in a turn fight in against a Spit while in a Dora should perhaps re-investigate the purpose that the Dora was designed for and perhaps fly it the way it was meant to be.
I don't know anyone who goes around bombing hangars to spoil others' fun. However, I know several who might give others that reason after the fact just to annoy them more if they whine like little kids whose lollipops are taken away.
I have seen the former, the latter is more childish than the people that have a gripe with it.
Bottom line for all these complaints about alleged toolshedding, MEGA squads, base-taking, war-winning, etc. is this: even the smallest maps have 50+ bases and hundreds of hangars. The bigger ones have more than a thousand hangars. There's no way any one squad, or for that matter any 10 squads, can conceivably shut even 10% of those down at any given time, even just the ones near the front, not with them popping after 15 minutes. There is *always* somewhere to furball if people from both sides want to, and no way for anyone to prevent that even if they wanted to. If it dies down in one place it's bound to pop up again a field or two over.
Again, just to reiterate, I, personally do not condemn the taking of bases. I have not even mentioned "mega" squads, nor have I insulted the concept of winning the war. I am not saying that there is no merit to winning the war. I have even advocated it, in a sense. Base taking stirs up a hornet's nest by the defending country 95% of the time from my observations. That means a lot of stuff to shoot at, half of whom are preoccupied with killing the heavies. I do not even have a problem with helping the effort if there is a logical plan, even though the only thing it represents to me is a Disco and a change of scenery. As I've said, I have no problem rolling JABO dropping ords where needed, and then mixing it up.
Conversely, defending against an attack, has its fun points also. Killing buffs is sometimes more rewarding to me than fighters. They are well armed and most can take a fair amount of damage.
The only thing I disagreed with is the non-purposeful bombing of hangers.
I wasn't on last night but Saturday afternoon and night I recall seeing a huge bish-nit furball at, IIRC, 141-250 that lasted at least 12 hours without anyone shutting either field down. Have at it if that's what you like to do. You might even find some of us joining in and mixing it up sometimes.
Sorry I missed it.
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Are the Buff guys suppose to leave the CV's up also???
999000<S>
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What gives people like DOGFITE (the irony of his handle is too much) and FORTRESS the right to ruin a good fight just because those fighting are not playing how they want us to play? I've never seen one case in all the years I've played AH where a 'furballer' has intentionally gone out and ruined the fight of one of you toolshedders.
We're not saying you can't bomb anything but if you see two sides fighting at a base with neither side intent on capture, just having fun furballing leave us to our fun. There are other targets for you limp wrists to bomb, ruining our fight so we can play how you think we should is not the way to go about getting our cooperation.
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It is utterly amazing that Knights are being singled out and condemned about doing base captures, when lately the Knights have tended to have the fewest fields in the Orange Arena. Most often, DOGFITE is taking back Knight bases that have already been taken away from us by the Rooks or Bishops.
I know for a fact that DOGFITE has never once deliberately attacked a base with his bombers for the reason of ending a furball. These personal attacks on him are thus most unfair and unwarranted.
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Are the Buff guys suppose to leave the CV's up also???
999000<S>
Yea, if all the cruisers are down, all the ack is killed on the CV and they are letting them up from the CV without vulching and there is a simple furball going on then HELL YES leave it up.
If on the other hand they park that cv near the base so the whole base is under puffy ack then KILL THAT sum squeak.
I think everyone knows how to spot a furball. It doesnt take a genius to tell when its just a fight and not a base take. The problem is dirt farmers targeting a furball area and taking that base.
I personally dont like giant furballs. I would love to see a base take somewhere where it starts a nice small furball. Base takes never result in a furball because everyone lands and poof no fight anymore
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Just my two cents, and being that I'm new to AH2 after 10 years off, this may not be realistic solution, but what about pm'ing some of the opposing squads and picking two bases to up from on the far side of the map when somebody decides to be a turd? Wed used to do this in AW to keep furballs going.
I was there last night when DOGFITE bombed the FH and ruined both sides' fun, and it was a lot of fun while it was going on...
mir
So you are thus implying that DOGFITE is a turd??
How utterly juvenile and immature of you to do that. If DOGFITE is a turd, then what does that make his Squadmates???
Why don't you tell us what you think of those who fly with DOGFITE??
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It makes no sense whatsoever to bomb the town first and then the hangars.
Just the opposite. It makes perfect sense.
Especially if the goal is to capture the field.
I'd like to tell you a little story bout a Jaxxo labeled "toolsheder". It's actually the funniest memory
of AH2 I have.
His name was LTARsoup and he was quite the little "buffer" (take that any way you like LOL).
Can't remember the map name, but there were two airfields very close together. LTARsoup finds himself
with no other squadies on at the time and thinks "well I've gotta take real estate how do I do it?"
"Ok these two bases have been quiet for at least an hour. Let's up some buffs and level the town"
The flight time between these bases was very short and soup takes off with a set of b24s. The town is in
vis within five minutes of take off, so there's no hope of climbing above town ack. :cry As soup approaches
the town, 2 fighters have rolled to see to his doom. :x
Unmolested for the first pass, Mace and another, begin to shred soup's buffs as he stall turns to once again
line up for town. Manages to take out 3 of the remaining 4 town ack and most of the remaining buildings before
being sent to the tower.
He came back with a set of Ju88's hoping for a little better speed and maneuverability. Mace, and this time another
two fighters, were there to greet him. Soup didn't survive for a second pass on town but he was pretty sure it was flat.
Let's see.....How the hell is soup going to get his goon in if 2 to 3 fighters are upping every time he enters dar?
BTW.. no gv spawn into this one fellas.
Jumps into a set of Lancs and takes out both bomber hangers on first pass. (Just enough time had expired while soup
was getting his buffs above ack for first pass that the current defenders had found targets elsewhere.) His presence however did
indeed arouse one upper named Jaxxo who met and destroyed soups buffs , right after the fighter hangers when down. :devil
(This was back when a med fields FHs could go down on a pass)
The PM's were flying...."you stupid toolshedder, what purpose could you possibly have dropping fighter hangers , dumb fluffer"
Of course Jaxxo destroyed the poor Lancs and gave soup another PM or two bout what a dweeb he was.
Flight time to town was under 6 minutes in a goon. Soup waited just as long as he could before launching that goon and
guess what? Bomber hangers were just coming up as he entered dar .
Long story short.....
The capture was made by a lone buffer and dropping the hangers was his only option for success.
So Crash Orange I must disagree.
Taking the town down first, makes perfect sense.
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Whatever happened to LTARsoup, anyway?
He was a great player, but I have not seen him online for a very long time now.
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I know for a fact that DOGFITE has never once deliberately attacked a base with his bombers for the reason of ending a furball. These personal attacks on him are thus most unfair and unwarranted.
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You might want to check your facts before you start spouting 'facts'. DOGFITE was the one that kept on taking down the fighter hangers at A89 because he was upset that we were fighting and not helping him take some base. In his own words were to the affect that he was doing it to stop our 'score whoring' and help him take bases. He's a tool, pure and simple and that is a fact.
ack-ack
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So you are thus implying that DOGFITE is a turd??
How utterly juvenile and immature of you to do that. If DOGFITE is a turd, then what does that make his Squadmates???
Why don't you tell us what you think of those who fly with DOGFITE??
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I can appreciate jumping to the aide of a friend, which is precisely what I'm doing here. Mir did not mention DOGFITE's squad at all, he merely stated one example of one player that was behaving in a way he did not agree with. Every squad is entitled to their own turds as you call them. For instance we in the 80th have Mensa.
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Nah, that's just beyond the scope of this discussion - you're talking about which FHs to bomb, not whether to bomb them at all, or when. And it depends on the situation. If a base is already isolated by geography it's best to hammer it directly, and if it has several large and medium fields nearby, isolating it is doomed to failure.
See Saxman's post, he covered this...
Not true. The closer base always has the advantage, because as you mention below, time is everything; if you have time, you have alt. A defender can up, HO one attacker, die, and be up again inside 20 seconds; even if he only kills one attacker every 3-4 times he ups, he's doing more damage than a pilot who kills 2-3 enemies but is out of the fight for 10+ minutes when he dies. If the defenders manage to gain a numerical edge it's very difficult to lose it, beause at any given time half or more of the attackers are in transit. If the hangers are flat and the attackers have a CV a mile offshore, the reverse is true - the attackers can both gang up on defenders and climb at their leisure when the defenders are dead.
The closer base only has the advantage if they can take off and fight, and if they have to quickly get wheels up and deal with vulchers, they aren't going to be effective. If they can take off in an La-7, K4, Spit 16, or other fast-climbing, fast-accelerating aircraft from a further base, they can very quickly arrive at an alt and speed which will allow them to get your goon (unless the base is already taken before they can arrive... Which requires the town down). You are not stopping them if they know what they are doing.
True, to some degree, but it's easier and just as effective (see above) to take out the hangars. Give me two other good buff pilots and a formation of Lancs and we can flatten a small base in one run and the town in a second (one if the angle permits one run for both). Two or three fighters can deack a port or V-base, but not an airfield and town, and some of them are likely to be crippled or shot down in the process.
With the same two good bomber pilots you can almost wipe out the town in a few passes (the better the bomber pilot, the quicker the subsequent passes). Bring along a heavy-cannon fighter to clean up, and time the goon to drop just as the town is cleared, and you have a fully functional field to continue operations from.
Sometimes killing two goons is enough, if it's a long flight. But more impotant, precisely: it's all about attrition. But why does attrition work against the attacker? Because he has to spend time coming back and the defender can use that delay to his advantage. If your contention above were true, that would be an advantage, because the attacker has all that time to grab alt. But it isn't, because the defender can spend that same time shooting the remaining attackers down and then grabbing alt, or having several planers do each.
Attrition isn't just a numbers game in here. It's also energy. From my experience, I'd say energy is more useful. Much more so, if you know what you're doing. If you give people the option to up from the attacked field, they don't have energy. If you force them to up from another, they will have that. Combine that with the fact that the attacker (except for level bombers) must, by default, go low to carry out there attacks, and you will soon be faced with a major problem.
I don't think anyone who's played the game more than a month would dispute that the VH is the first priority (with the possible exception of ords, if you're attacking from a CV close by). As for ack, as I said, taking down six hangers is quicker, safer, and requires fewer people. Sure, if you have 15 or 20 attackers, de-ack and vulch, but who needs 15-20 people to capture a base? And unless you've got 20 attackers capping, in which case it's a moot point, ten or twenty uppers are better for the defense than reinforcements coming in high one at a time.
Who needs 15-20 people to vulch? On a small field you only need three to cover all options... Deacking is also quite doable by a small group of people, working in concert.
Your second statement does not follow from the first, because however you slice it it is necessary to take the town down and suppress the defenders to take a base, and because bombing six neatly lined-up hangars is quicker and more foolproof than hitting 20 scattered acks and quicker than bombing 12 or 18 hangars at nearby bases.
Vulching suppresses. Destroying the FHs funnels them to new locations. The only way this is not a problem is if you can capture the base before they arrive, but if you can already do that, why did you need to knock down the FHs?
(It is possible to take a base by having 3 sets of buffs come in NOE and pop at the last second to flatten the town without going near the field, and having a goon follow immediately behind, but that depends absolutely on surprise and few or no defenders being up when you get there. It's also possible to take it in a GV rush without touching the field, and we do that sometimes, but if the defenders are even mildly alert it's a low-odds proposition for the same reason given above re: attrition - attackers who die take much longer to return than defenders.)
NOE missions require surprise because NOE missions, by default, surrender any chance of an energy advantage from the get-go. If there is the slightest warning of an attack (ie, a chance for the defender to gain energy), you are done for.
Judging by the number of players who act that way, especially in the giant endless furballs, I don't think that is any more common among those who like base-taking than anyone else.
More common or not, it's more detrimental to the base-takers' aims. Note the giant friendly cluster around the attacker's home base when a single con shows up nearby. Really, the quickest way to disrupt a base capture is to roll a fairly fast plane (perked spinner baits are best) near the attacker's ingress route. "Mine mine mine!" takes over.
The bottom line is that the base captures that fail do not fail because a FH was left up, or taken down. They fail because the guys who harp "teamwork, strategy, and tactics" rarely practice them. If they were as into that sort of thing as they profess, they'd be near unstoppable. There are certainly enough mega squads that have the #s to pull off a major FSO-styled attack...
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I'd drop FHs to piss people off too if I could fly a bomber and hit something xD, whew good thing I can't fly bomber or bomb anything =)
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Who needs 15-20 people to vulch? On a small field you only need three to cover all options... Deacking is also quite doable by a small group of people, working in concert.
A small field can be deacked in 2 passes in a 190f8 if you are in concert with one's self. I do it all the time to set up a vulch. However no one likes me so usually I'm the only one doing the vulching. If you dont believe me I'll work on posting video. :salute
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I can appreciate jumping to the aide of a friend, which is precisely what I'm doing here. Mir did not mention DOGFITE's squad at all, he merely stated one example of one player that was behaving in a way he did not agree with. Every squad is entitled to their own turds as you call them. For instance we in the 80th have Mensa.
I called out his entire sqaud devils retards(cept Killjoy who furballs but went with his brother), but i guess i might be the turd from POTW :D
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I do it all the time to set up a vulch.
Lame :uhoh
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I'll join ya' in that I'm another idiot, I guess. I'm just glad that when I post a big fat B17 mission with escorts, people still say it's fun as hell. That makes my day. <S>
This i would consider fine, the thing was DOGFITE closed the field by himself while both sides were having a great furball, you have to be able to understandAre the Buff guys suppose to leave the CV's up also???
999000<S>
999000, as a more senior member of AH, I know you can tell the difference of a base which is just being used for furballing and which is actually in the process of being taken.LOL...Drop the freeking FHs as often as you want guys. As long as they're Bish and Nits. (now how about the obligatory hump my ankle retort and how I won't be playing the game in a couple months as you are superior in all that is AH because you been playing it for 25 years...ya ya ya...whine whine whine.) If HiTech didn't want them knocked down then they would not program them to be knocked down) Hump this!
Cool noob, Ive been playing less then 3 years and I have a ton to learn about ACM, if everyone knew anything about ACM we wouldnt be having this problem. Trust me its funner losing good fights then taking a base thats undefendable anyday :rock
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You might want to check your facts before you start spouting 'facts'. DOGFITE was the one that kept on taking down the fighter hangers at A89 because he was upset that we were fighting and not helping him take some base. In his own words were to the affect that he was doing it to stop our 'score whoring' and help him take bases. He's a tool, pure and simple and that is a fact.
ack-ack
Well, he is a hard drinker, so it sounds like you may have been unfortunate enough to piss him off one night when he was flying drunk.
I'm confident that you and others must have baited him first with your acidic comments. In general, he is a real class act.
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I can appreciate jumping to the aide of a friend, which is precisely what I'm doing here. Mir did not mention DOGFITE's squad at all, he merely stated one example of one player that was behaving in a way he did not agree with. Every squad is entitled to their own turds as you call them. For instance we in the 80th have Mensa.
He acted like an immature kid, using the word "turd" to describe another person in his post.
Tell me, is it part of your normal routine in your daily life to go around using the word "turd" to describe other people?? Would you ever describe a person as being a "turd" to their face? Do you perhaps work in an office? If so, would you ever refer to a co-worker as being a "turd".
The use of the word "turd" was totally gratuitous and juvenile on his part, and was completely unnecessary.
And don't try to twist this around as you so cleverly did in yours second to last sentence, trying to make it look like I refer to people as "turds". It is YOUR FRIEND who likes to use that word to describe people, not me. He is the one that you really need to have a talk to, not me.
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Well, he is a hard drinker, so it sounds like you may have been unfortunate enough to piss him off one night when he was flying drunk.
I'm confident that you and others must have baited him first with your acidic comments. In general, he is a real class act.
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He acted like an immature kid, using the word "turd" to describe another person.
Tell me, is it part of your normal routine in your daily life to go around using the word "turd" to describe other people??
The use of the word "turd" was totally gratuitous and juvenile on his part, and was completely unnecessary.
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Ive known Dogfite longer then you "turd" nugget. Hes a RETARD and is all about taking out the hangars at the big furballs, and nobody was saying crap to him at first and my proof here is, we were furballing...........BTW in my unit many people say turd many times a day so i guess all us soldiers are juvenile, just because people dont say it where you live dont assume nobody does, that is juvenile thinking
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The use of the word "turd" was totally gratuitous and juvenile on his part, and was completely unnecessary.
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Perhaps it was merely the most accurate adjective to describe the behavior he was witness to that would get through the BBS language filter.
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I called out his entire sqaud devils retards(cept Killjoy who furballs but went with his brother), but i guess i might be the turd from POTW :D
So you are saying that anyone who is not a furballer is a "retard" in your opinion?
Are people here so immature that they cannot express themselves without engaging in name calling???
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<--- member of the Devil's Reject *V*, I just don't fly bomber. Just in the squad to hang out and chat w/ friends =)
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Perhaps it was merely the most accurate adjective to describe the behavior he was witness to that would get through the BBS language filter.
Well, but all dictionaries describe the use of the word as an adjective as being vulgar.
So you are saying that you condone people speaking in a vulgar manner??
Is that the preferable way that you like to be treated??
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Ive known Dogfite longer then you "turd" nugget. Hes a RETARD and is all about taking out the hangars at the big furballs, and nobody was saying crap to him at first and my proof here is, we were furballing...........BTW in my unit many people say turd many times a day so i guess all us soldiers are juvenile, just because people dont say it where you live dont assume nobody does, that is juvenile thinking
As I said previously, the term is described in all dictionaries as being vulgar usage of the English language.
If you and your friends like to speak in such vulgar language, that is your right. But I also have the right to describe the use of vulgar language as being what it really is: a clear sign of immaturity.
And as for DOGFITE, you obviously don't really know the man, or what he is truly like.
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He acted like an immature kid, using the word "turd" to describe another person in his post.
Tell me, is it part of your normal routine in your daily life to go around using the word "turd" to describe other people?? Would you ever describe a person as being a "turd" to their face? Do you perhaps work in an office? If so, would you ever refer to a co-worker as being a "turd".
The use of the word "turd" was totally gratuitous and juvenile on his part, and was completely unnecessary.
And don't try to twist this around as you so cleverly did in yours second to last sentence, trying to make it look like I refer to people as "turds". It is YOUR FRIEND who likes to use that word to describe people, not me. He is the one that you really need to have a talk to, not me.
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Nah, "Turd-like" is an accurate description of the behavior experienced last night, and if somebody is acting like that, and I post it, so be it.
This isn't an office environment - it's a video game where people are having fun. His actions, shutting down the fighters at the base, which were fun for him, put a halt to the fun being had by dozens of other people. That's what a "Turd" would do.
I really don't care too much about his actions, or if you associate with him. I think some take this way too far and make it much too important (ie: hunting and stalking and crap).
My suggestion was to make arrangements to move the fun (furballing) to other bases when somebody decides to be a turd and ruin the fun.
If it hurt your feelings that I called your friend/virtual squadmate a "Turd", my apologies -- but grow some thicker skin. This is a BBS of a pretend game.
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And as for DOGFITE, you obviously don't really know the man, or what he is truly like.
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This is the truth. And I wouldn't assume to know that, or call him anything in regards to the real person behind the screen.
mir
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:rofl i want that
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When I had time to play, I actually enjoyed taking a 110 heavy into a vulchfest just to drop the FH's. You talk about whining on local vox after I destroyed the last one :t
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If you paid attention, he's saying to pound the nearby large and medium fields into rubble, thus isolating your target base. Which then trying to take it will NOT be doomed to failure, because the enemy will be unable to mount a strong counter attack from those surrounding fields.
If you paid attention, you might have noticed that I said yes, you can do that, but it takes three or four times as many buff pilots because you're levelling three or four times as many bases.
But that's really beside the point. Either way the furball is going to have to move someplace else if the base take succeeds.
On maps that do have a sort of "furball area" aka "fighter town" the first thing the dirt farmers do is kill that area so that the furballers will disperse and join one of there base takes. This happens all the time. If you deny it, your too new to the game to know better.
I have never buffed a base at fighter town, nor have I ever seen members of my squad do so. Whether other people do it or not, I can't say, so you must be right. But our squad can't help what others do.
To commenters who say "will defend the base better"...ummmm the furball is usually below 10k. The tools come in at 20k in b26's, nose down to 300mph and make there attack. THERE IS NO WAY you can stop them if everyone is furballing. Besides it wont matter.
I have never bombed above 16k that I can recall, though I can't swear I've never done it. SOP for our squad's raids is anywhere from 10k to 15k (7-8k if bombing a CV) in Lancs going 160 IAS straight and level.
You can tell the people you're talking about because they can't hit a darned thing, including fighters parked on their 6. :lol
and BTW.....killing FH to take the base is a waste of time.
I won't lecture you on how to furball, don't try to lecture me or my squad on how to take a base or bomb.
The one thing I see consistently is a total disrespect to players who just want to furball.
I think there's a lot of disrespect going both ways as evidenced by the tone of this thread. I at least restrict my ranting and name-calling to squad vox.
Seems if your not trying to win the war you should just "go to the DA".
Negative. If you don't want to be offended by other players around you aiming to capture fields and win the war go to the DA. Can you see the difference?
And another thing. NoNE OF YOU dirt farmers could take jack poop without us furballers to cap the base for you. When the last time a bunch of fun police took anything.
Umm... last night? Or give me 10 minutes after I post this...
I personally dont like giant furballs.
I agree, they're just too random, and the local odds can swing back and forth to extremes very quickly. Sure, there are a few pilots who can truly master that environment, but not many, probably not 10%, maybe not even 5%. I frequently see some folks in this forum (Steve) berating others for not being able to, or trying to, match the skills of the top 0.5% of the fighter ranks. I think that's a little unrealistic. Most people in this game will never be able to handle 6 or 8 opponents at once who have the slightest idea what they're doing no matter how long they fly or how much they train, unless they're cruising 5k above them anyway. Learning to face even odds or say 2-1 or 3-2 and survive is a more realistic expectation.
(And of course, it stands to reason that half the pilots in the game are going to be below average.)
Base takes never result in a furball because everyone lands and poof no fight anymore
Oh, come on - tons of them result in a furball before the base gets taken, and a lot of 'em go on after that when the defender tries to retake it.
Using one squad, out of an enormous player base is, by no means a way to present a true representation of the entire spectrum of game-play.
Understood, but I am using my squad's behavior because there have been a lot of insults swung specifically at us and our CO in this thread (not by you). I can't help what some mythical and anonymous squad or players might do, but I can tell what my squad does and doesn't do.
Your full of crap guy. Your sqaud is always the first to be trying to take the the fighter hangars at any base.
You don't read too great, do ya, son?
gosh im rantingthis is retarded because you cant win a fight with ignorance
You are certainly correct there: you will never win a fight by employing ignorance.
You might also find you're more persuasive if you forego the fit-throwing and name-calling. It's just human nature that when you act that way people will only want to annoy you more.
Are people here so immature that they cannot express themselves without engaging in name calling???
That appears to be the case.
And I think that's the last word I have to say on this topic. :rolleyes:
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I'm not sure about the better bombateers but it takes me two passes to kill the hangers at a small base. then it takes me about 7 o 8 minutes to turn with out losing my drones and to hit the last hanger. So if it was one guy then the hangers would be up in about 7 minutes. I don't see the problem.
As far as taking the base goes, whether to take the hangers down or not depends on the mission type. Obviously, noe no. However, where you expect their to be a lot of resistance, then you may want to take down the hangers first to get a solid cap. The town can be taken down in about 5 minutes depending on numbers. In fact they timed it once under Ghi, it took 45 seconds after the first bomb was dropped and the troops went in. In that instance no hangers were destroyed. Just depends on numbers, skill, and coordination. Sometimes you may want to take the hangers down if you are just being horded.
Anyway, most play the game the way they enjoy it regardless of how others think they should.
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I can appreciate jumping to the aide of a friend, which is precisely what I'm doing here. Mir did not mention DOGFITE's squad at all, he merely stated one example of one player that was behaving in a way he did not agree with. Every squad is entitled to their own turds as you call them. For instance we in the 80th have Mensa.
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Well, he is a hard drinker, so it sounds like you may have been unfortunate enough to piss him off one night when he was flying drunk.
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reminded me of this guy. Is that wrong
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don't ho that mountain brah
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Dude they let him drive a f@ckin train too...holy shi@
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Death to the toolshedders. Turn on friendly fire so we can frag em ;)
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<---- Raw Prawns resident Turd with cluster ( and token drunk )
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No one mentioned that the Knits weren't trying to take the base, hence the town being predominantly untouched. A perfect target?
I mean, it's the Knits. Take a base??
wrongway
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No one mentioned that the Knits weren't trying to take the base, hence the town being predominantly untouched. A perfect target?
I mean, it's the Knits. Take a base??
wrongway
Make knights a furballer only country :rockIf you paid attention, you might have noticed that I said yes, you can do that, but it takes three or four times as many buff pilots because you're levelling three or four times as many bases.
But that's really beside the point. Either way the furball is going to have to move someplace else if the base take succeeds.
I have never buffed a base at fighter town, nor have I ever seen members of my squad do so. Whether other people do it or not, I can't say, so you must be right. But our squad can't help what others do.
I have never bombed above 16k that I can recall, though I can't swear I've never done it. SOP for our squad's raids is anywhere from 10k to 15k (7-8k if bombing a CV) in Lancs going 160 IAS straight and level.
You can tell the people you're talking about because they can't hit a darned thing, including fighters parked on their 6. :lol
I won't lecture you on how to furball, don't try to lecture me or my squad on how to take a base or bomb.
I think there's a lot of disrespect going both ways as evidenced by the tone of this thread. I at least restrict my ranting and name-calling to squad vox.
Negative. If you don't want to be offended by other players around you aiming to capture fields and win the war go to the DA. Can you see the difference?
Umm... last night? Or give me 10 minutes after I post this...
I agree, they're just too random, and the local odds can swing back and forth to extremes very quickly. Sure, there are a few pilots who can truly master that environment, but not many, probably not 10%, maybe not even 5%. I frequently see some folks in this forum (Steve) berating others for not being able to, or trying to, match the skills of the top 0.5% of the fighter ranks. I think that's a little unrealistic. Most people in this game will never be able to handle 6 or 8 opponents at once who have the slightest idea what they're doing no matter how long they fly or how much they train, unless they're cruising 5k above them anyway. Learning to face even odds or say 2-1 or 3-2 and survive is a more realistic expectation.
(And of course, it stands to reason that half the pilots in the game are going to be below average.)
Oh, come on - tons of them result in a furball before the base gets taken, and a lot of 'em go on after that when the defender tries to retake it.
Understood, but I am using my squad's behavior because there have been a lot of insults swung specifically at us and our CO in this thread (not by you). I can't help what some mythical and anonymous squad or players might do, but I can tell what my squad does and doesn't do.
You don't read too great, do ya, son?
You are certainly correct there: you will never win a fight by employing ignorance.
You might also find you're more persuasive if you forego the fit-throwing and name-calling. It's just human nature that when you act that way people will only want to annoy you more.
That appears to be the case.
And I think that's the last word I have to say on this topic. :rolleyes:
Persuasive....I think its past that when Ive already brought this topic up before, maybe ill start reminding you in game everytime i see you about how retarded your style of play is then you will change your way...
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I guess, since I was called out as the inspiration for this thread to be posted, I feel the need to reply.
Yes, I did plan bombing missions to attack the fields where there was a furball. The bases in question were the most probable bases that could and needed to be taken in order to have a stageing base to improve the front lines. They were captured as the mission was planned. However; I often use a furball as a diversion to take other bases. I did not bomb these bases in spite of "Furballers"! I often enjoy furballing, even if I am the one getting killed due to a frame rate of 6 when I go in on the six of an enemy plane. But my passion, "FUN", in this game is to plan missions to take bases. And I have a GREAT group of guys in my squad that "HAVE FUN" doing what we do. As for taking down hangers...well, if a base is flat, there is NO chance for my mission to fail due to the one that gets up to kill the goon as he drops his troops. I plan missions to hit a base hard and I mean HIT IT HARD! Take EVERYTHING DOWN!!!! Leave no room for error...dont give the enemy a chance. I was asked to leave the bomber hanger up in one mission....I complied and gave the order to leave the offset bomber up. You want kills, kill some IL2's.
I pay my 15 bucks a month to have fun playing this game and I am going to play it as I see fit. You want me to care about the way you have fun playing this game? Well, are you going to care about the way I have fun playing this game? I think not. You want to be a scorehog and have a nice low rank on the roster? Thats fine and dandy. It's your 15 bucks. You want to be recognized "In Neon Lights" for landing your kills? Thats fine and dandy. It's your 15 bucks.
So, JunkyII, since I inspired you to write this thread, and accuse me of taking your fun away, I am going to take my KNIGHT Squad to the Bishops so You can "Furball" with the Rooks without the fear or worry that I will come bomb all the hangers down and ruin your fun. "That is all I have to say about that." quote Forrest Gump
DOGFITE/Commanding Officer
The *V* DEVILS REJECTS *V*
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No one mentioned that the Knits weren't trying to take the base, hence the town being predominantly untouched. A perfect target?
I mean, it's the Knits. Take a base??
wrongway
There are other reasons to take down FH's other then to take the base.
Such as when your country is being overwhelmed in a area.
Since an infinite number of planes can up from any base at any time. It would seem logical to take out the FH's at the base providing these numbers.
Given the way the knits had been being gangbanged over the last couple of weeks in LW Orange I can understand how some might want to take down the FH's at enemy bases.
Bottom line is as it always has been.
If you dont want your bases bombed. Defend them better.
If your not willing to defend your bases against bombing and always leave that task for someone else to do then you have no legitimate reason to whine about it
Make like the rooks. Who of the three sides is the only country I've seen to consistently have aircraft loitering 20K over their own bases regardless if there is a capture attempt going on there or not.
Finally. Taking out the FH's doest stop the furball. It ony provides a momentary pause or a change in scenery at worst as the furball moves to a different location
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I guess, since I was called out as the inspiration for this thread to be posted, I feel the need to reply.
Yes, I did plan bombing missions to attack the fields where there was a furball. The bases in question were the most probable bases that could and needed to be taken in order to have a stageing base to improve the front lines. They were captured as the mission was planned. However; I often use a furball as a diversion to take other bases. I did not bomb these bases in spite of "Furballers"! I often enjoy furballing, even if I am the one getting killed due to a frame rate of 6 when I go in on the six of an enemy plane. But my passion, "FUN", in this game is to plan missions to take bases. And I have a GREAT group of guys in my squad that "HAVE FUN" doing what we do. As for taking down hangers...well, if a base is flat, there is NO chance for my mission to fail due to the one that gets up to kill the goon as he drops his troops. I plan missions to hit a base hard and I mean HIT IT HARD! Take EVERYTHING DOWN!!!! Leave no room for error...dont give the enemy a chance. I was asked to leave the bomber hanger up in one mission....I complied and gave the order to leave the offset bomber up. You want kills, kill some IL2's.
I pay my 15 bucks a month to have fun playing this game and I am going to play it as I see fit. You want me to care about the way you have fun playing this game? Well, are you going to care about the way I have fun playing this game? I think not. You want to be a scorehog and have a nice low rank on the roster? Thats fine and dandy. It's your 15 bucks. You want to be recognized "In Neon Lights" for landing your kills? Thats fine and dandy. It's your 15 bucks.
So, JunkyII, since I inspired you to write this thread, and accuse me of taking your fun away, I am going to take my KNIGHT Squad to the Bishops so You can "Furball" with the Rooks without the fear or worry that I will come bomb all the hangers down and ruin your fun. "That is all I have to say about that." quote Forrest Gump
DOGFITE/Commanding Officer
The *V* DEVILS REJECTS *V*
I see you didn't look at a word I typed to you on 200 tonight...... Let me explain this very clear so you understand the problem. First, understand that good furballs don't come very often to any of the countries that's why you have squads that jump between them searching for these furballs. Next, you must agree that there are more then 12 bases that need to be taken to return the knight land back to where it is when the map is first set. Also, I don't care if you take bases to win the war its just not my thing. Where my problem starts is when we have all these bases that need to be taken back but you decide to kill the hangars to the only good furball on the map even when it was obvious the majority of the people ON BOTH SIDES were there for the furball. Now, you say this was a strategic move....but what about that airfield the rooks own 2-3 sectors south of our Capitol, I think that might be the most important one wouldn't you agree? All we have asked from bomber types like you, is to please have your fun elsewhere so we can have our fun too. You may say "go furball in DA" but the DA has worse problems in it then people just dropping the hangars. Along with that is when we do get a Tank Town map where we can furball in the middle half the time the hangars are also down due to some base taking person not fully understanding why the map is designed like that. I know this isn't a perfect world and the paths of furballers and base takers will collide at certain choke points and that's all "fine and dandy" but it gets frustrating when it seems like your almost doing it on purpose, which you kind of admitted to tonight when you said something along the lines of "I like using the furballers to clear the skies" which is pretty selfish seeing we don't want the skies clear. Finally most of the furballers aren't scorehogs either look up acouple of names in the score section such as AKAK,any Muppet, any 80Th FS member, many of Pigs on the Wing, and many others especially the ones you call SPIES for changing sides. We fly into these furballs to find fights that keep us on the edge of our seat and see how far we can push the limits of the aircrafts we like to fly :rock . Now I'm sorry I called you and your squads tards but it kinda happens when you ask for something acouple of times out of someone and they don't seem to understand why we are asking them. :salute oh and have fun on the bishops you will find more like me over there but you will also have to put up with J0ker on range vox which cant be worse as flying buffs to the next field to say maybe stop incoming alt monkeys in Tempests hmmmm that may be an idea so you don't ruin the furball next time but would possibly be helpful for both furballers and base takers alike :aok
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So, JunkyII, since I inspired you to write this thread, and accuse me of taking your fun away, I am going to take my KNIGHT Squad to the Bishops so You can "Furball" with the Rooks without the fear or worry that I will come bomb all the hangers down and ruin your fun. "That is all I have to say about that." quote Forrest Gump
DOGFITE/Commanding Officer
The *V* DEVILS REJECTS *V*
Well, you are most welcome (from one "shedder" to another :lol) The "Ragged Irregulars" would be happy to wing with you anytime. :)
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I guess, since I was called out as the inspiration for this thread to be posted, I feel the need to reply.
Yes, I did plan bombing missions to attack the fields where there was a furball. The bases in question were the most probable bases that could and needed to be taken in order to have a stageing base to improve the front lines. They were captured as the mission was planned. However; I often use a furball as a diversion to take other bases. I did not bomb these bases in spite of "Furballers"! I often enjoy furballing, even if I am the one getting killed due to a frame rate of 6 when I go in on the six of an enemy plane. But my passion, "FUN", in this game is to plan missions to take bases. And I have a GREAT group of guys in my squad that "HAVE FUN" doing what we do. As for taking down hangers...well, if a base is flat, there is NO chance for my mission to fail due to the one that gets up to kill the goon as he drops his troops. I plan missions to hit a base hard and I mean HIT IT HARD! Take EVERYTHING DOWN!!!! Leave no room for error...dont give the enemy a chance. I was asked to leave the bomber hanger up in one mission....I complied and gave the order to leave the offset bomber up. You want kills, kill some IL2's.
I pay my 15 bucks a month to have fun playing this game and I am going to play it as I see fit. You want me to care about the way you have fun playing this game? Well, are you going to care about the way I have fun playing this game? I think not. You want to be a scorehog and have a nice low rank on the roster? Thats fine and dandy. It's your 15 bucks. You want to be recognized "In Neon Lights" for landing your kills? Thats fine and dandy. It's your 15 bucks.
So, JunkyII, since I inspired you to write this thread, and accuse me of taking your fun away, I am going to take my KNIGHT Squad to the Bishops so You can "Furball" with the Rooks without the fear or worry that I will come bomb all the hangers down and ruin your fun. "That is all I have to say about that." quote Forrest Gump
DOGFITE/Commanding Officer
The *V* DEVILS REJECTS *V*
Mmmmm. More targets :D
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The Knights love to do it all, not just one activity to the exclusion of all others. Always be considerate of the "furball" areas both air & ground I might add. There is usually 1 or 2 per map, and I go out of my way not to bomb them and encourage my squad to behave the same way. Others should be as considerate. My only caveat is if in the process of attacking a field and a furball results, I will continue to attempt to crush the field. No complaining in this instance is warranted.
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Stop furballing and get with the country and take bases! That is the same as telling others to play your way of furballing. :huh Most of the time in a furball kills are made on someone preoccupied with the plane in thier sights. Pure dogfighting is found with much smaller numbers.
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If it hurt your feelings that I called your friend/virtual squadmate a "Turd", my apologies -- but grow some thicker skin. This is a BBS of a pretend game.
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You need to apologize to the person that you berated, not I. An apology directed to me is a totally meaningless and insincere act on your part. The fact that this is only a game makes your remarks all the more inappropriate. For there was no need at all for you to be so critical of someone for something done inside a mere game.
In sharp contrast to your follow-up, I see that Junky has now offered an apology to DOGFITE in this thread or calling him names. My view of him has just gone up immensely for being man enough to do that, while my view of you has only continued to degrade further in light of your latest remarks.
If you don't want to be civil, and insist on using vulgar language to describe other players, that is your choice. But please don't expect me to respect you for making that choice.
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The Knights love to do it all, not just one activity to the exclusion of all others. Always be considerate of the "furball" areas both air & ground I might add. There is usually 1 or 2 per map, and I go out of my way not to bomb them and encourage my squad to behave the same way. Others should be as considerate. My only caveat is if in the process of attacking a field and a furball results, I will continue to attempt to crush the field. No complaining in this instance is warranted.
i started a nice little battle last night in mw. it wasn't a furball, or a gv battle, but a combination. we had a couple tanks rolling in, and some aircraft. it wasn't massive at all........just enough to be fun.
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So, JunkyII, since I inspired you to write this thread, and accuse me of taking your fun away, I am going to take my KNIGHT Squad to the Bishops so You can "Furball" with the Rooks without the fear or worry that I will come bomb all the hangers down and ruin your fun. "That is all I have to say about that." quote Forrest Gump
DOGFITE/Commanding Officer
The *V* DEVILS REJECTS *V*
:x :rofl
Hey Junky :aok, can you keep cleaning house and get rid of Fortress too?
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btw - Dogfite at least knew which country would appreciate him the most. Its a win-win for knits and Bish.
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You need to apologize to the person that you berated, not I. An apology directed to me is a totally meaningless and insincere act on your part. The fact that this is only a game makes your remarks all the more inappropriate. For there was no need at all for you to be so critical of someone for something done inside a mere game.
In sharp contrast to your follow-up, I see that Junky has now offered an apology to DOGFITE in this thread or calling him names. My view of him has just gone up immensely for being man enough to do that, while my view of you has only continued to degrade further in light of your latest remarks.
If you don't want to be civil, and insist on using vulgar language to describe other players, that is your choice. But please don't expect me to respect you for making that choice.
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You sure are upset about this for some odd reason! WTF! I'm glad this isn't on a gun message board I frequent! Then I'd be worried! :lol
Sorry DOGFITE for referring to your actions as "Turd-like" thus insinuating you were a "Turd" in the virtual skies of AH2 that one night in August of 2009!
I'm not sure it is having as profound of an effect on you as it is on TwinEng though! (read: I don't think you care what I think and let it affect you. And you shouldn't.)
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:rofl :rofl
Followed by another turd-like response..
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I see you didn't look at a word I typed to you on 200 tonight...... Let me explain this very clear so you understand the problem. First, understand that good furballs don't come very often to any of the countries that's why you have squads that jump between them searching for these furballs. Next, you must agree that there are more then 12 bases that need to be taken to return the knight land back to where it is when the map is first set. Also, I don't care if you take bases to win the war its just not my thing. Where my problem starts is when we have all these bases that need to be taken back but you decide to kill the hangars to the only good furball on the map even when it was obvious the majority of the people ON BOTH SIDES were there for the furball. Now, you say this was a strategic move....but what about that airfield the rooks own 2-3 sectors south of our Capitol, I think that might be the most important one wouldn't you agree? All we have asked from bomber types like you, is to please have your fun elsewhere so we can have our fun too. You may say "go furball in DA" but the DA has worse problems in it then people just dropping the hangars. Along with that is when we do get a Tank Town map where we can furball in the middle half the time the hangars are also down due to some base taking person not fully understanding why the map is designed like that. I know this isn't a perfect world and the paths of furballers and base takers will collide at certain choke points and that's all "fine and dandy" but it gets frustrating when it seems like your almost doing it on purpose, which you kind of admitted to tonight when you said something along the lines of "I like using the furballers to clear the skies" which is pretty selfish seeing we don't want the skies clear. Finally most of the furballers aren't scorehogs either look up acouple of names in the score section such as AKAK,any Muppet, any 80Th FS member, many of Pigs on the Wing, and many others especially the ones you call SPIES for changing sides. We fly into these furballs to find fights that keep us on the edge of our seat and see how far we can push the limits of the aircrafts we like to fly :rock . Now I'm sorry I called you and your squads tards but it kinda happens when you ask for something acouple of times out of someone and they don't seem to understand why we are asking them. :salute oh and have fun on the bishops you will find more like me over there but you will also have to put up with J0ker on range vox which cant be worse as flying buffs to the next field to say maybe stop incoming alt monkeys in Tempests hmmmm that may be an idea so you don't ruin the furball next time but would possibly be helpful for both furballers and base takers alike :aok
omfg junky, press enter more often. I'm having a hard time trying to follow which line I'm reading !
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Bomb the zone bases and leave the rest to the fighter jocks.. :salute
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I see you didn't look at a word I typed to you on 200 tonight...... Let me explain this very clear so you understand the problem. First, understand that good furballs don't come very often to any of the countries that's why you have squads that jump between them searching for these furballs. Next, you must agree that there are more then 12 bases that need to be taken to return the knight land back to where it is when the map is first set. Also, I don't care if you take bases to win the war its just not my thing. Where my problem starts is when we have all these bases that need to be taken back but you decide to kill the hangars to the only good furball on the map even when it was obvious the majority of the people ON BOTH SIDES were there for the furball. Now, you say this was a strategic move....but what about that airfield the rooks own 2-3 sectors south of our Capitol, I think that might be the most important one wouldn't you agree? All we have asked from bomber types like you, is to please have your fun elsewhere so we can have our fun too. You may say "go furball in DA" but the DA has worse problems in it then people just dropping the hangars. Along with that is when we do get a Tank Town map where we can furball in the middle half the time the hangars are also down due to some base taking person not fully understanding why the map is designed like that. I know this isn't a perfect world and the paths of furballers and base takers will collide at certain choke points and that's all "fine and dandy" but it gets frustrating when it seems like your almost doing it on purpose, which you kind of admitted to tonight when you said something along the lines of "I like using the furballers to clear the skies" which is pretty selfish seeing we don't want the skies clear. Finally most of the furballers aren't scorehogs either look up acouple of names in the score section such as AKAK,any Muppet, any 80Th FS member, many of Pigs on the Wing, and many others especially the ones you call SPIES for changing sides. We fly into these furballs to find fights that keep us on the edge of our seat and see how far we can push the limits of the aircrafts we like to fly :rock . Now I'm sorry I called you and your squads tards but it kinda happens when you ask for something acouple of times out of someone and they don't seem to understand why we are asking them. :salute oh and have fun on the bishops you will find more like me over there but you will also have to put up with J0ker on range vox which cant be worse as flying buffs to the next field to say maybe stop incoming alt monkeys in Tempests hmmmm that may be an idea so you don't ruin the furball next time but would possibly be helpful for both furballers and base takers alike :aok
JunkyII For one, you never came to me asking me not to attack any base YOU were flying in a furball. I once flew with you and the POTW.....you know the caliber of bomber pilot I am. I respect the POTW. But I disagree with you on the subject of "furballs dont come very often". Get real...there is a furball erupting somewhere else every time a base with a furball is taken. Just look for the enemy base that is the closest to your own base. Ya see, furballers dont like to fly very far to get into the action. Bomber pilots have to fly a good distance to do what they do.
But it really doesn't matter.....we both have different styles of "Game Play" when it comes to this game. I cant furball due to my poor frame rate...so I bomb. You dont bomb cause you dont have the patience for it. So anyway......I guess I fixed the problem by going to another country....the problem you have with me anyway. But there will be someone else for you to cry about and call names. Possibly....why you have to go to the Blue Arena cause in the Orange Arena....There aren't too many bases to take off from when the Bish have most of the KNIGHT fields.
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Nits have 1DOGFITE, us Rooks have Dredger---BOTH have similar views: Wherever a HUGE furball is taking place and heap many folks are having fun, for SOME reason seems the most logical place to start the evening's diabolical plan to turn the map green :frown: Were they to join forces, the world could well come to an end
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Don't forget FBdred and his lemmings for knights. :lol
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Possibly....why you have to go to the Blue Arena cause in the Orange Arena....There aren't too many bases to take off from when the Bish have most of the KNIGHT fields.
Seems you are havin trouble finding the right fit...
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Was a day of Bish all it took to go rook?
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Seems you are havin trouble finding the right fit...
(http://i411.photobucket.com/albums/pp193/dmbear/ahss31.jpg)
Was a day of Bish all it took to go rook?
:rofl :rofl :rofl thats funny I told him he would find more like me on the other sides and he probably had same problemomfg junky, press enter more often. I'm having a hard time trying to follow which line I'm reading !
sorry i was in to it :D JunkyII For one, you never came to me asking me not to attack any base YOU were flying in a furball. I once flew with you and the POTW.....you know the caliber of bomber pilot I am. I respect the POTW. But I disagree with you on the subject of "furballs dont come very often". Get real...there is a furball erupting somewhere else every time a base with a furball is taken. Just look for the enemy base that is the closest to your own base. Ya see, furballers dont like to fly very far to get into the action. Bomber pilots have to fly a good distance to do what they do.
But it really doesn't matter.....we both have different styles of "Game Play" when it comes to this game. I cant furball due to my poor frame rate...so I bomb. You dont bomb cause you dont have the patience for it. So anyway......I guess I fixed the problem by going to another country....the problem you have with me anyway. But there will be someone else for you to cry about and call names. Possibly....why you have to go to the Blue Arena cause in the Orange Arena....There aren't too many bases to take off from when the Bish have most of the KNIGHT fields.
You see this thread didnt start with me just calling out you even though you were the problem the night i wrote the thread. FACT: Less Furballs then bases to take. FACT: I have asked you not to drop FH.
I dont like flying bombers because I can see the hangars I am aiming at, so we have like the opposite of problems. Also Bombers dont have to go high at all, FORTRESS proved this wrong with his NOE Lancs....
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Hey Junky :aok, can you keep cleaning house and get rid of Fortress too?
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btw - Dogfite at least knew which country would appreciate him the most. Its a win-win for knits and Bish.
working on him now :D
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a certain 1sqaudname sqaud thinks if they kill furballs, the furballers will help take bases....
With all do respect, I like flying along side you and Dogfite. But you kind of did single him out. What if he asked you not to furball? As I said, with all do respect, who put you in charge of what gets or doesn't get bombed? I'm saying this as friendly as I can be so don't think I'm trying to pick sides or stir anything up. :salute
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With all do respect, I like flying along side you and Dogfite. But you kind of did single him out. What if he asked you not to furball? As I said, with all do respect, who put you in charge of what gets or doesn't get bombed? I'm saying this as friendly as I can be so don't think I'm trying to pick sides or stir anything up. :salute
Reasonable question and stated well!
Furballing is not hampering any bombers. Bombers may even have it easier with folks in the furball tying the other sides fighters up.
When the hangars at a furball base go down then the bombers are hampering the furballers side of the game.
There are a lot of things to do in AH. At some time or another they always have to cross paths. Many try not to tread on other teammates toes. The more folks having fun then the more successful Ah is.... with more signing on every day. The projected animosity between the fighters, bombers, and GV'ers is really a moot point as we all have what we like to do. When it is required to all come together... say for a base defense then each has honed his/her skill beyond what is usually required for a successful defense.
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I hate when fuballs get stopped because someone drops the FH's... still it's within acceptable parameters of gameplay. Dogfite and his crew are perpetrators of "bomb and bail" which I find to rank very high in sweetheartbaggery.
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With all do respect, I like flying along side you and Dogfite. But you kind of did single him out. What if he asked you not to furball? As I said, with all do respect, who put you in charge of what gets or doesn't get bombed? I'm saying this as friendly as I can be so don't think I'm trying to pick sides or stir anything up. :salute
The issue isn't about bombing or even capturing bases. Guys like 99990000 are perfect example of a bomber pilot co-existing with the 'furballers'. Why? In all of the years I've known and played with him, not once has he ever purposely gone out of his way to grief those having fun in a furball just because we were not playing his way. DOGFITE, FORTRESS and the other tools like them are the polar opposite. These guys go out of their way for the express purpose of ruining other's fun just because we are not playing how they think we should. If they could have it their way, furballing would not be allowed and the only combat allowed would be during base captures only. That's the crux of the issue.
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turd-like sweetheartbaggery?
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The issue isn't about bombing or even capturing bases. Guys like 99990000 are perfect example of a bomber pilot co-existing with the 'furballers'. Why? In all of the years I've known and played with him, not once has he ever purposely gone out of his way to grief those having fun in a furball just because we were not playing his way. DOGFITE, FORTRESS and the other tools like them are the polar opposite. These guys go out of their way for the express purpose of ruining other's fun just because we are not playing how they think we should. If they could have it their way, furballing would not be allowed and the only combat allowed would be during base captures only. That's the crux of the issue.
ack-ack
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With all do respect, I like flying along side you and Dogfite. But you kind of did single him out. What if he asked you not to furball? As I said, with all do respect, who put you in charge of what gets or doesn't get bombed? I'm saying this as friendly as I can be so don't think I'm trying to pick sides or stir anything up. :salute
Canacka it may seem like im asking him not to bomb because of the OP but im not. Im asking him not to go to furballs and kill the FH. Everyone knows what the furballs looks like, about even darbars, towns untouched, ords probably down at both bases maybe even troops. Look at the map tonight......TT has been taking by rooks and i wanna believe this is Dogfites doing honestly, anyone know?
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Canacka it may seem like im asking him not to bomb because of the OP but im not. Im asking him not to go to furballs and kill the FH. Everyone knows what the furballs looks like, about even darbars, towns untouched, ords probably down at both bases maybe even troops. Look at the map tonight......TT has been taking by rooks and i wanna believe this is Dogfites doing honestly, anyone know?
Sometimes I'll fly a bomber over a furball base and drop ord bunkers, troops and stuff like that, when my load is gone I normally cut alt and fly through the furball.. it'll put hair on your chest son! :P
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Like I said earlier this will only be resolved when there is a proper furball area where furballers will go to furball. However this will never happen according to my observations because:
The only time I have seen a furball start and I have seen allot start they always started with an attempted base take. What happened was some individual but usually a group started to take a base and more and more people came to DEFEND.
Defend becuase intially there was no furball. At some point the dar reaches a certain size and furballers arrive I assume i.e. those who look for the biggest dar on the map and go there as in there is the herd let us follow as that is where we get our fun. Nothing wrong with that.
So at some point the base takers realise they are not going to take the base without getting the fighter hangers down and when they drop them the furballers start whinning.
The Problem: Furballers dont organise furballs they join existing fights and then take them to be static which is not how they come about.
We have an expression in England "couldnt organise a pissup in a brewery". Furballers are the antithesis of organisation. Furballers could not and would not organise a furball in a furball arena. Furballers dont make furballs but they shortsightedly seek to control them.
Very occasionally people drop hangers out of mallice but in my experinece it is normally part of an original or historic base take attempt.
Furballers if you had a furball arena you wouldnt even go there you are the arcade end of AH. Get your fun where you can but dont cry when its over the thing that pisses you off is what keeps it interesting for you. You just arn't clever enough to work that out :lol ;) :D
Isnt there a big area in the DA called furballing and I think you can enter the fight at any height and in any plane you like. You dont go there truth be told because it is static. Your parasites on the dynamic aspect of the game. By all means enjoy yourselves but dont try to control it, clearly that is self defeating. :rolleyes:
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So, JunkyII, since I inspired you to write this thread, and accuse me of taking your fun away, I am going to take my KNIGHT Squad to the Bishops
woot woot easy kills all around! Junky, if you can get a few more hord tools to change sides I may stay nit. :D
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grow some and kill them before they get there :aok
Takes some organisation to do this and means the action might not start within 2 minutes of upping like on a playstation or XBOX etc
Does not correspond to the typical furball mission at all. :D
I also notice that when the typical "Furball" drives the enemy fighters down so the field is capped everyone doesnt say "ok chaps lets pull back and give them a chance to up" people close in and take the base usually with a bit of vulching. Fighters from other bases arrive high to defend the base. In other words the Vast Majoority seem to have an objective of sorts not just furballing for its own sake and are happy when the base is taken.
In other words Fur ballers shut up and stop trying to ruin the game for eveyone including yourselves :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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I also notice that when the typical "Furball" drives the enemy fighters down so the field is capped everyone doesnt say "ok chaps lets pull back and give them a chance to up" people close in and take the base usually with a bit of vulching. Fighters from other bases arrive high to defend the base. In other words the Vast Majoority seem to have an objective of sorts not just furballing for its own sake and are happy when the base is taken.
Your wrong! Some will back off and let them up. The Headhunters have done this on many occasions and let the other side know so they can up and get some alt.
Your prior post was wrong too. Many times we instigate a furball.
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Your wrong! Some will back off and let them up. The Headhunters have done this on many occasions and let the other side know so they can up and get some alt.
Your prior post was wrong too. Many times we instigate a furball.
In the case of the former what is it about the word "typical" you dont understand?
I say typical and I dont doubt what your saying I just have never seen either. The vast majority of fights seem to be directed toward an objective.
And why dont you go to the Furball Arena or ask for a better one if the one we have is no good????
The only flaw in the game and game play I have seen in this thread exposed is Bomb and Bail. I would impose a penalty for this if I was HTC as it detracts from the nature of the game.
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There was a furball monday night and the Enemy having the upper hand pushed to the base and proceded to vulch the runway. Only with relitively equal numbers does a furball exist.
Dogfite dropped some hangers for the Rooks Tuesday night and We welcome him any time. We won't discriminate we have tolerance for all. Except maybe sideswitchers that spy and give away some mission plans, players that type in all text (you know who you are), oh yeah and noobs and squeakers that won't shut up or stop typing nonsense. :furious
Amnesty for all Knits and Bish who switch in the next 48 hours. :D
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I would impose a penalty for this if I was HTC as it detracts from the nature of the game.
You may not know, bu Hitech himself once was looking for a way to do this.
Unfortunately, apaprently no one has found a feasible one yet.
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You may not know, bu Hitech himself once was looking for a way to do this.
Unfortunately, apaprently no one has found a feasible one yet.
Pitty. I would think it is easy to see who it is as they would be the one who bailed 3 bombers in a row. The penallty should in my opinion be at least a 24 hour ban.
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Don't forget FBdred and his lemmings for knights. :lol
Yeah! How come no one ever mentions these turds??
Uh oh.. Did I say turds??
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In the case of the former what is it about the word "typical" you dont understand?
I say typical and I dont doubt what your saying I just have never seen either. The vast majority of fights seem to be directed toward an objective.
And why dont you go to the Furball Arena or ask for a better one if the one we have is no good????
The only flaw in the game and game play I have seen in this thread exposed is Bomb and Bail. I would impose a penalty for this if I was HTC as it detracts from the nature of the game.
You may be right on typical. But not all are like that. :aok
Generally when it gets to that point the furballers get bored with it and the base takers take it from there.
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Pitty. I would think it is easy to see who it is as they would be the one who bailed 3 bombers in a row. The penallty should in my opinion be at least a 24 hour ban.
Same as for fighter pilots bailing, because they are bored and want to go to a different fight more quickly? ;)
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Same as for fighter pilots bailing, because they are bored and want to go to a different fight more quickly? ;)
No idea why they would not return or better yet waste a perfectly good auger opp.
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Same as for fighter pilots bailing, because they are bored and want to go to a different fight more quickly? ;)
I like to land them, because for me it is fun to take a plane up, fight, and then land(yea, sick I know). I will bail in a heartbeat whether in a fighter, bomber or GV for a squaddie or a squad op. Interesting question though Lusche... :)
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We have an expression in England "couldnt organise a pissup in a brewery". Furballers are the antithesis of organisation. Furballers could not and would not organise a furball in a furball arena. Furballers dont make furballs but they shortsightedly seek to control them.
Quoted for the keen insight.
Now for my tangent: A furball doesn’t always mean fun fights.
Last night (Titanic Tuesday), there were at least three large, persistent furballs going on. None were fun. It was gang or be ganged.
I was behind a N1K with no green guys between us. At least four green guys were firing over my shoulder. This is fun? Shortly after, I witnessed five fighters pouncing on a low A-20. Still later, I chased down a dot only to be joined by three ‘name’ players who promptly ganged the red guy.
My point is that not all furballs are created equal. There are good furballs. There are fun fights, which is why I keep coming back. It takes a rare alignment of skills parity, plane choices, and player behaviors.
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Well. Well......I didn't realize that I had become so famous.
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Well. Well......I didn't realize that I had become so famous.
I dunno about famouns... maybe infamous. I have run into you exactly twice that I remember, once last night. You were with 4 or 5 sets of buffs last night. At least 3 sets, including you in your last plane, bombed and bailed. Like I said, that's serious sweetheartbaggery
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I think you have to admit it is funny that bomber pilots are about the only people on earth we get mad at when they DON'T try their best to land. Let's just coad it so pacerr and company have to fly bombers, and leave it at that :D
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Well. Well......I didn't realize that I had become so famous.
I saw you for the first time last night. You were asking for help. I've never seen you in the air.
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just the title of this thread almost makes one want to drop as many fighter hangars as one can.
possibly a nice big mission to the front line bases...and drop whatever we can before we get kilt.
i like seeing those cartoon fires. they make it easier for me to navigate my cartoon airplane through the cartoon sky back to my cartoon base, so i can have some cartoon beer with my cartoon crewchief, then re-up in a cartoon fighter to go fly into some cartoon trees. :noid
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Sir Ack-Ack and Dmbear, Thanks for the kind words..<S> It really doesn't cost anything to play nice...and most of the community like you guys are stand up individuals. I was thinking if a bomber guy gets to a base ..its always good to ask what they need ..most time the good guys are happy if you drop the VH. ..sometimes the good guys will want you to drag your bait for them....Sometimes they do want you to hit the town. Finally if you still have eggs left at a furball base you can have fun dropping a line down the runway!..You might get a kill and if you don't you will take out some of the most dangerous ack in the interior of the field.
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LYNX told DOGFITE best yesterday.. troops don't run to hangars.
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just the title of this thread almost makes one want to drop as many fighter hangars as one can.
possibly a nice big mission to the front line bases...and drop whatever we can before we get kilt.
i like seeing those cartoon fires. they make it easier for me to navigate my cartoon airplane through the cartoon sky back to my cartoon base, so i can have some cartoon beer with my cartoon crewchief, then re-up in a cartoon fighter to go fly into some cartoon trees. :
:aok It,s A Game!
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just the title of this thread almost makes one want to drop as many fighter hangars as one can.
possibly a nice big mission to the front line bases...and drop whatever we can before we get kilt.
So you feel compelled to be a "griefer" ?
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So you feel compelled to be a "griefer" ?
NAH.........
i wouldn't drop em where there was a fun fight happening. it would be in an attempt to start a fight.
inevetibly, someone always comes up to defend when someone messes with a base. and if friendlies see a base being hit, they often come to it........and walah!! a fight has been formed. :D
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Yesterday, TT, I changed countrys to the Bish side. I wanted to "Test the waters" so to speak. To see if me and my squad would be welcomed before I brought my men over. Well, I got a most rude reception. I dont know if it is because of this thread or not. But anyway....I decided to go to the Rook side. On the Rook side, I recieved a nice welcome. However; when I planned a mission with my 3 other bomber squadees to take a base, away from a furball , I also asked on country for the help of 2 pilots. A 110 pilot and a C-47 pilot. Now when I only have 4 guys on in my squad, and we try to take a base, and I ask for the help of my countrymen and dont get any help, I have to "Bail" from my bomber to bring back what I need to hopefully take that base. You will NEVER see me bailing out of a plane when there is an enemy on my six or close to me.
And yes, I asked permission before I bomb hangers where there is a furball going on. If I get 1 yes response, I am taking down whatever I can. I get points for taking down hangers just like furballers get points for their kills. But I dont go looking for furball to END. Hell, most of the time my failed mission to take the base the first time, creates it. I have seen a time when a group of guys go in to take a base and it ends up into a furball. So....I CAN CREATE A FURBALL.....and I CAN END ONE!
And if you shoot/shot me down, lol, usually I have already accomplished my mission. And with some of the replys to this thread....Yes, it does sort of make me want to turn to the "Darkside" and become the evil menace. A madman with the sole purpose to shut down furballs. Then what would you think? (THINKING) It already seems to me that I am already being hated on........why not change my name to EVILDAN. Then I would be known as the furball stopper, the ultimate "Toolshedder". A sweetheartbag? Well, evilmen are sweetheartbags, turds, retard....any bad name would compliment an evil villian.
SO, I ask you....which do YOU want me to be? Which cartoon character would YOU want me to portray? Which pill do you want me to take?
BLUE PILL: DOGFITE...just being me doing what I do. Helping my country to take bases however I see fit to take them.
RED PILL: EVILDAN...An evil bomber pilot that looks for furballs to kill.
The choice is yours...............
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So in the end, you are playing this game for points?
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Plenty of stories out there about the one La-7 that gets through the CAP to pop the Goon while the rest of the friendlies are too busy vulching to bother chasing him down.
happens all the time :aok
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Lynx, that pic had me laughing! :lolIt has been saved
to a place of honor on my computer! :salute
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sometimes, when i log in, for whatever reason, i may not feel like flying a fighter. it happened the other week. i log in, and am ready to up lancs.......but hear multiple calls going out from squaddies looking for troops. i rarely take em, as i like to have some usable gun somewhere on my plane......anyway.........i launched a c47. flew so low, i was scraping the cartoon waves. went a few miles north of the town...the fight was south. was a big furball goin on between a cv and a base. i climb the mountain, as i pull over the top, i kill my engines, with the base in sight. glided to a landing just outside the town, and let her coast to the edge of town. let the drunks out, and next ya know, we got it. felt good to be a sneaky bastage too. :devil
some of the fun i have in bombers, is that i will launch from a rear base, and during climbout, i'll look at the map, and plan my route. from then on, i only hit 1 thing. radar towers. i don't know why, but it is actually fun to turn out the lights on as many bases as i can.
it's fun to see how many i can get before someone ups and chases me down in a fighter.....i generally get quite a few. it doesn't really ruin anyones fun, and it lets me still fly when i don't feel like being in a fighter.
had a 262 in mw came after me as i did this last week....and for some reason, he parked right on my 6 level.......he also hit the cartoon silk too. :devil
o ya.......
poop :rofl
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I dont play for points....I guess I should have said......satisfaction of taking down what I drop on...satisfaction of actually totally flattening a base by myself if it is a small field.....medium field would be the satisfaction of dropping all the hangers.
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Furballer can always back off a base to let the fighters of the other country go attack said bombers and fix the issue. Seems we can all play darkside :)
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There are so many things I want to say right now but knowing this group I'm sure somone will start throwing stones no matter what side it is. So I'll just say, I am right. What I think is the right thing, is the right thing. Even if you do something that is an option and isn't illegal, it's still wrong. And those who don't agree, should be condemed!
That should cover both sides of this issue. Sounds kind of silly huh? I think so too.
So furballers, go ahead and furball. Bombers, bomb your targets. I'm just gonna play the game and if I'm furballing, I'll follow the fight wherever it goes. If I'm bombing, I'll drop my bombs. If I'm gv'ng, well I'll probably die but either way, I'm gonna do what I feel like doing at the time.
Have some fun everyone, but remember that everyone can and will do what they want, and sometimes you get upset, other times you upset others, but don't let it get to you no matter what side your for. The game is stressful enough as it is without drama, and that makes it fun. It's no fun when people are yelling at eachother over something that both sides have the right to have their own views about and which, in the game situation, are both right.
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Which pill do you want me to take?
BLUE PILL: DOGFITE...just being me doing what I do. Helping my country to take bases however I see fit to take them.
RED PILL: EVILDAN...An evil bomber pilot that looks for furballs to kill.
The choice is yours...............
What color is midol?
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the things people complain about is amazing..... you dropped my HANGERs.. who gives a cheeeeeeeet.... they will respwn this is a war simulation. They should let your hangers stay up just to appeese furballers.. NOT
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It's amazing that anyone woud actually take time out of there day to post about dropping a respawnable structure....
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.... this is a war simulation
Hmm the maker of this game says it is not.
I don't think anyone said don't furball... don't bomb or don't gv. They just asked that one not impede the fun of the other on the same team. Not hard to do. Folks can be friendly to their own team or not. Be apart of the AH community or don't be....... everyone has a choice. Do what you want , be what you want.
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the things people complain about is amazing..... you dropped my HANGERs.. who gives a cheeeeeeeet.... they will respwn this is a war simulation. They should let your hangers stay up just to appeese furballers.. NOT
It's amazing that anyone woud actually take time out of there day to post about dropping a respawnable structure....
I'm not surprised you completely miss the point of this thread. It's not about 'dropping hangers' it's solely about those players that insist on intentionally griefing another segment of the player base by intentionally ruining their fight just because the group will not play how the first group wants them to play.
Please post again once you get a clue.
ack-ack
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You will NEVER see me bailing out of a plane when there is an enemy on my six or close to me.
Really?
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film:
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Doh!
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Double Doh! :rofl
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I will take down hangers at a base even if we aren't close to taking it, and here's why... When a fight between two bases is shifting to the good guys side (i.e. they are pushing us to our base where we take off with enemies above) I will up bombers to slow down their advance. If I up and take down hangers, that gives 15 minutes for the good guys to take back control. Does the fight ever shift all the way back to the enemy base? No, there are plenty of cons up to take care of before many friendlies can make any impact on enemy base. 15 minutes goes fast when you've got 15-50 cons already up in the air coming at you. So this can actually prolong your precious furball by bringing the fight back to the middle rather than people setting up a cap and vulch.
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I will take down hangers at a base even if we aren't close to taking it, and here's why... When a fight between two bases is shifting to the good guys side (i.e. they are pushing us to our base where we take off with enemies above) I will up bombers to slow down their advance. If I up and take down hangers, that gives 15 minutes for the good guys to take back control. Does the fight ever shift all the way back to the enemy base? No, there are plenty of cons up to take care of before many friendlies can make any impact on enemy base. 15 minutes goes fast when you've got 15-50 cons already up in the air coming at you. So this can actually prolong your precious furball by bringing the fight back to the middle rather than people setting up a cap and vulch.
So you will kill a fight, whether the guys in the fight want you to or don't want you to? Do you even check with the crowd before doing so?
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I will take down hangers at a base even if we aren't close to taking it, and here's why... When a fight between two bases is shifting to the good guys side (i.e. they are pushing us to our base where we take off with enemies above) I will up bombers to slow down their advance. If I up and take down hangers, that gives 15 minutes for the good guys to take back control. Does the fight ever shift all the way back to the enemy base? No, there are plenty of cons up to take care of before many friendlies can make any impact on enemy base. 15 minutes goes fast when you've got 15-50 cons already up in the air coming at you. So this can actually prolong your precious furball by bringing the fight back to the middle rather than people setting up a cap and vulch.
I really don't know why it's so hard to understand what the point is of this thread. Like most, you've totally missed it by a mile.
Here is the point of this thread written as simply as possible, hopefully after this people will get the point.
Group A is mad at Group B because Group B is not playing how Group A feels they should.
Group A then flies to where Group B is having fun dogfighting with both sides not making any attempts at a base capture
Group B sees Group A flying towards the fight in bombers and asks Group A repeatedly not bomb the bases where the fight is taking place
Group A ignores the requests of Group B because, after all, Group A knows what's best and only their way of play is allowed in their eyes
Group A destroys the hangers at the bases and the fight ends and Group B's fun is ruined because Group A are a bunch of tools
Group A now proudly proclaims they've killed the fight so now Group B should help them win the war by taking more bases because in Group A's eyes, this is the only way to play
Group B tells Group A to diddly off.
That's the point of this thread, not whether or not you should bomb a base or capture one. It's all about being cognisant of other player's play style and respecting it and not intentionally going out of ones way to ruin another groups fun just because one group feels that the other group shouldn't play that way.
ack-ack
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I really don't know why it's so hard to understand what the point is of this thread. Like most, you've totally missed it by a mile.
Here is the point of this thread written as simply as possible, hopefully after this people will get the point.
Group A is mad at Group B because Group B is not playing how Group A feels they should.
Group A then flies to where Group B is having fun dogfighting with both sides not making any attempts at a base capture
Group B sees Group A flying towards the fight in bombers and asks Group A repeatedly not bomb the bases where the fight is taking place
Group A ignores the requests of Group B because, after all, Group A knows what's best and only their way of play is allowed in their eyes
Group A destroys the hangers at the bases and the fight ends and Group B's fun is ruined because Group A are a bunch of tools
Group A now proudly proclaims they've killed the fight so now Group B should help them win the war by taking more bases because in Group A's eyes, this is the only way to play
Group B tells Group A to twittle off.
That's the point of this thread, not whether or not you should bomb a base or capture one. It's all about being cognisant of other player's play style and respecting it and not intentionally going out of ones way to ruin another groups fun just because one group feels that the other group shouldn't play that way.
ack-ack
Could you simplify that a bit more for me? Thanks!
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Could you simplify that a bit more for me? Thanks!
ah man, I don't know if I can type that slow :D
ack-ack
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:rofl
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Really?
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film:
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wait? he bailed before you even got close to his bomber again? :confused:
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BLUE PILL: DOGFITE...just being me doing what I do. Helping my country to take bases however I see fit to take them.
RED PILL: EVILDAN...An evil bomber pilot that looks for furballs to kill.
The choice is yours...............
How about you take the one filled with cyanide, call it purple if you wish.
JK, I enjoy the free kills your hord squad offers.
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Really?
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film:
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:rofl :rofl
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Well. Well......I didn't realize that I had become so famous.
You might be famous, but its like DrDeath famous, nobody likes you
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Now when I only have 4 guys on in my squad, and we try to take a base, and I ask for the help of my countrymen and dont get any help, I have to "Bail" from my bomber to bring back what I need to hopefully take that base. You will NEVER see me bailing out of a plane when there is an enemy on my six or close to me.
Then I would say you cant take the base. Anything else is just gameing. Agreed its a fault in the game that you can get away with this kind of thing but it detracts from the whole experience in my opinion. OK its your choice and there will always be someone who has this kind of view in the game.
I hope HTC finds a viable way to put a stop to this. :pray
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just the title of this thread almost makes one want to drop as many fighter hangars as one can.
possibly a nice big mission to the front line bases...and drop whatever we can before we get kilt.
i like seeing those cartoon fires. they make it easier for me to navigate my cartoon airplane through the cartoon sky back to my cartoon base, so i can have some cartoon beer with my cartoon crewchief, then re-up in a cartoon fighter to go fly into some cartoon trees. :noid
Do you have a recipe for that? All-grain or extract? Ale or lager?
I would like to brew some.......
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Steve....I dont know who the pictures of the fighter is but it is surely not me.
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You might be famous, but its like DrDeath famous, nobody likes you
I dont think you are on anyones favorites list either JunkyII from what I hear. You are just one that likes to point the finger at someone when you dont get your way. I read another thread posted on the forums and you pointed the finger at Jokers Jokers....so grow up!
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You might be famous, but its like DrDeath famous, nobody likes you
some thrive on that.
there's an entire squad that thrives on being disliked. :noid
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I foresee 15 - 16 pages on this thread. Any bets?
Glad I didn't. :)
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Glad I didn't. :)
it hasn't made 15 yet. :D
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So you will kill a fight, whether the guys in the fight want you to or don't want you to? Do you even check with the crowd before doing so?
First, it isn't like "the group" is an organized group of people all after the same thing, it's not as if one "group" contacted the other "group" and said, let's fight here! Second, I would say 9 times out of 10, if you ask a group what they want bombed at a base, not a single person will answer.
I really don't know why it's so hard to understand what the point is of this thread. Like most, you've totally missed it by a mile.
Here is the point of this thread written as simply as possible, hopefully after this people will get the point.
Group A is mad at Group B because Group B is not playing how Group A feels they should.
Group A then flies to where Group B is having fun dogfighting with both sides not making any attempts at a base capture
Group B sees Group A flying towards the fight in bombers and asks Group A repeatedly not bomb the bases where the fight is taking place
Group A ignores the requests of Group B because, after all, Group A knows what's best and only their way of play is allowed in their eyes
Group A destroys the hangers at the bases and the fight ends and Group B's fun is ruined because Group A are a bunch of tools
Group A now proudly proclaims they've killed the fight so now Group B should help them win the war by taking more bases because in Group A's eyes, this is the only way to play
Group B tells Group A to twittle off.
That's the point of this thread, not whether or not you should bomb a base or capture one. It's all about being cognisant of other player's play style and respecting it and not intentionally going out of ones way to ruin another groups fun just because one group feels that the other group shouldn't play that way.
ack-ack
I see exactly what you're trying to make the point of this thread to be... However, 1. There is no group A or group B, we're all on the same side, but people get enjoyment out of this game in different ways. You can't get mad at a bomber pilot enjoying the game just because he doesn't get enjoyment out of it the same way you do. 2. He does not go on a bombing run because he wants to ruin the game for other people, that's just absurd. :rolleyes:
Anyway, how often does taking down the FH really kill off a fight? A bomber usually has to make two passes to take down all the fh, that delay will leave the FH down for around 10 min. A good back and forth fight between two bases doesn't get killed in 10 min.
This is with all do respect gentlemen. <S> :aok
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First, it isn't like "the group" is an organized group of people all after the same thing, it's not as if one "group" contacted the other "group" and said, let's fight here! Second, I would say 9 times out of 10, if you ask a group what they want bombed at a base, not a single person will answer.
I see exactly what you're trying to make the point of this thread to be... However, 1. There is no group A or group B, we're all on the same side, but people get enjoyment out of this game in different ways. You can't get mad at a bomber pilot enjoying the game just because he doesn't get enjoyment out of it the same way you do. 2. He does not go on a bombing run because he wants to ruin the game for other people, that's just absurd. :rolleyes:
Anyway, how often does taking down the FH really kill off a fight? A bomber usually has to make two passes to take down all the fh, that delay will leave the FH down for around 10 min. A good back and forth fight between two bases doesn't get killed in 10 min.
This is with all do respect gentlemen. <S> :aok
on your point 2, you're wrong.
there are some that do just that. they will drop a cv, in the midst of a huge furball....then they jump on 200 bragtging about their skillz.
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Out of this whole thread, I just want to know....
.... but you ain't capturing nothing by avacadoting hangers....
How do you avocado a hangar?
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Out of this whole thread, I just want to know....
How do you avocado a hangar?
Filter changed the word... :)
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Do you have a recipe for that? All-grain or extract? Ale or lager?
I would like to brew some.......
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It's usually a pretentious little lager.
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It's usually a pretentious little lager.
Currently, I am set up to brew up to 15 gallons per brew session.
Will the equipment that I have work?
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Steve....I dont know who the pictures of the fighter is but it is surely not me.
Poor effort. I'm in the fighter. You were in lancs. I killed your drones and you bailed from the third plane.
You will NEVER see me bailing out of a plane when there is an enemy on my six or close to me.
I posted film and screen shot of you doing exactly that.
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OH Snap!
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Steve....I dont know who the pictures of the fighter is but it is surely not me.
That's because you were in the Lancaster that bailed out in those screenshots.
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I see exactly what you're trying to make the point of this thread to be... However, 1. There is no group A or group B, we're all on the same side, but people get enjoyment out of this game in different ways. You can't get mad at a bomber pilot enjoying the game just because he doesn't get enjoyment out of it the same way you do. 2. He does not go on a bombing run because he wants to ruin the game for other people, that's just absurd. :rolleyes:
Absurd? So DOGFITE saying on country channel that he's purposely ruining the furball we had going the other night just because we were not playing his way and according to him, "to stop our score whoring" so we can start taking back bases, was not a case of him intentionally going out of his way to ruin another groups fun?
I am amazed at the intelligence level displayed by some, you can get smacked on the head with a clue stick and you'd still be utterly clueless. Sad.
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To my mind ruining another person's fun is just plain silly. That said, getting upset with someone who is pursuing the actual stated aim of the arena is equally silly. If one wants to do nothing other than furball then one should retire to the Dueling arena and have a blast and leave the other arena's to their purposes.
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Poor effort. I'm in the fighter. You were in lancs. I killed your drones and you bailed from the third plane.
Not saying this is the case here, but if you get a pw on me, or enough aircraft damage, there's a decent chance I'm just going to say screw it and bail as well.
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To my mind ruining another person's fun is just plain silly. That said, getting upset with someone who is pursuing the actual stated aim of the arena is equally silly. If one wants to do nothing other than furball then one should retire to the Dueling arena and have a blast and leave the other arena's to their purposes.
DA arena has no furballers.
The stated aim of the main arenas is to have a game of flying combat... hence Aces High.
The GAME is about having fun. There is plenty of room for furballers, GV'ers and Bombers. If anyone wants to impede others fun they will be ostracized on the boards and in game. Just the way it is.
If one wants to kill the fun of another... they all have ways to fix it.
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Absurd? So DOGFITE saying on country channel that he's purposely ruining the furball we had going the other night just because we were not playing his way and according to him,
Wow, when I come back I am going to make it a point to hunt him and his squad.
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If one wants to do nothing other than furball then one should retire to the Dueling arena and have a blast and leave the other arena's to their purposes.
so, basically if we don't fly your way in the MA we should fly in the dueling arena. You're not different than the tools that go out of their way to ruin a fight. The purpose of the arenas is to engage in air combat, that's the main purpose of this game. We that like to furball are using the arena how it was intended to be used, same as those that like to bomb. However, those that think like you have no place in the arenas. Why? Because people like you will go out of their way to intentionally ruin the fun of others just because you don't like how we play and feel we should play your way.
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Poor effort. I'm in the fighter. You were in lancs. I killed your drones and you bailed from the third plane.
I posted film and screen shot of you doing exactly that.
Well Steve, If that was the case, it was not intentional. It was purely by mistake or accident. I am sorry you didn't get the 3rd kill out of the many I see you successfully land. Whoop de do.
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Well Steve, If that was the case, it was not intentional. It was purely by mistake or accident. I am sorry you didn't get the 3rd kill out of the many I see you successfully land. Whoop de do.
so.........you "accidentally" hit the enter key 3 times in a row?
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Well Steve, If that was the case, it was not intentional. It was purely by mistake or accident. I am sorry you didn't get the 3rd kill out of the many I see you successfully land. Whoop de do.
Easy dogfite... I was just enjoying busting your balls. Have a laugh with me.
I would hope you don't bomb and bail often.. I've stated how I feel about it.
I have nothing against buff pilots. If they want to bomb stuff in order to have fun, bully for them. OTOH A buff pilot who bombs fighter hangers to to stop our score whoring
is a major sweetheartbag. This is overtly attempting to ruin the fun of others for no other purpose than to grief. If buff pilot did this, he's a sweetheartbag. AKAK claims you did this.
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That said, getting upset with someone who is pursuing the actual stated aim of the arena is equally silly.
Where is it stated that the aim of the arena is to capture bases?
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Absurd? So DOGFITE saying on country channel that he's purposely ruining the furball we had going the other night just because we were not playing his way and according to him, "to stop our score whoring" so we can start taking back bases, was not a case of him intentionally going out of his way to ruin another groups fun?
I am amazed at the intelligence level displayed by some, you can get smacked on the head with a clue stick and you'd still be utterly clueless. Sad.
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That is complete BS! I didn't say no such thing. Every base that had a furball at it was a planned mission to take the base. And the base was captured! You want to point fingers at me for being a "Toolshedder". Well, yes I am if it means that I shut down bases to capture it. Guilty. I am tired of this thread.....I am tired of having to justify my actions. I am tired of trying to explain that I don't intentionally try to ruin everyones fun. I am about ready to create another account and become the cartoon villian that some are accussing me of being. EVILDAN....The Mad Bomber Pilot that goes around ruining everyones fun for dropping fighters hangers and destroying furballs. If I do that, can you imagine the HERO that you would be if you shoot me down before I accomplished my mission?
(Thought) It could be alot of fun to do that. Have everyone looking for the "Penny" that is worth a million bucks like in some marketing campaign. But then again, lol, every furball would have to post a "Protector of the furball" pilot...lol This is getting to out of hand....
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Where is it stated that the aim of the arena is to capture bases?
Capturing territory through the use of air, land and sea power is the objective in Aces High II.
From the official AH help pages: http://www2.hitechcreations.com/ahhelp/map.html
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so.........you "accidentally" hit the enter key 3 times in a row?
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It is very possible.....if I was damaged and in the plane that could be going down....I have to hit enter three times to get in the other plane....if he had already taken out my last plane...I was probably cussing at myself for making that mental mistake...I enjoy trying to shoot down aircraft from my tailguns.....I dont bail in air to air combat when I am in my Lancs or any other plane. Even if my tailguns are shot out, I will try to make him collide with me...a chance for me to survive.
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From the official AH help pages: http://www2.hitechcreations.com/ahhelp/map.html
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Touché. :noid Wish they would change that. Base capture is the number one killer of good fights in the arenas.
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Touché. :noid Wish they would change that. Base capture is the number one killer of good fights in the arenas.
That may happen, but all in all, in my opinion, it's the #1 generator of good fights, epic battles & variety of combat situations.
I'm no landgrabber, but if there were no captures at all, I would have been long gone.
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I can't read two pages of responses every time I post something, lol, so I've just got one thing to say...
You can't let one person ruin the game for you (DOGFITE, I'm not saying you did anything, I wasn't there, I'm just talking in general terms). Don't you get mad when you take a carrier and move it 2 hours to another base only to have a guy up while you're trying to set up a mission to take it. Don't you get mad when you try to run an NOE mission and you have the squeaker flying 500 feet above the water, or worse yet going from 100 to 500 setting off the dar like a darn cop siren. It's something you have to deal with, but you'd be a lot better off to just sigh and move on, because it's not going to change.
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That is complete BS! I didn't say no such thing.
It's not BS, it's what you said that night and your actions also further back it up. You were repeatedly asked not to bomb the fighter hangers at A89 but you kept on going on how you were doing to bomb the hangers because you wanted us to help take back the bases we had lost earlier. You also stated that by doing this, you're stopping our score whoring. The simple fact is, you intentionally went out to ruin another group's fun because you were acting like a spoiled tottler that wasn't getting his way. You are a tool and I will relish hunting your unskilled arse.
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...I dont bail in air to air combat when I am in my Lancs or any other plane.
Hmm the screeenies and film show a different story but ok. This was just a couple of nights ago, you were bombing 83. You were with 4 or five sets of lancs. Coincidently, other sets bailed as well.
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Looks like 'DOGFIGHT" got caught in a lie.
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That may happen, but all in all, in my opinion, it's the #1 generator of good fights, epic battles & variety of combat situations.
I'm no landgrabber, but if there were no captures at all, I would have been long gone.
You have got to be kidding me.
Common sights during base capture attempts:
Lemming attacks on field objects
Attacking wirbelwinds driving around outside of ack range trying to pick off defending fighters
A horde of P-51s and Typhoons perched above the field
A horde of Spit XVIs swarming at 100' agl to defend it
Bombers at 20k dropping the FH's
Insta-gang-up on anyone who strays from their countrymen.
That's the antithesis of a "good fight" if you ask me.
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You have got to be kidding me.
Common sights during base capture attempts:
Lemming attacks on field objects
Attacking wirbelwinds driving around outside of ack range trying to pick off defending fighters
A horde of P-51s and Typhoons perched above the field
A horde of Spit XVIs swarming at 100' agl to defend it
Bombers at 20k dropping the FH's
Insta-gang-up on anyone who strays from their countrymen.
That's the antithesis of a "good fight" if you ask me.
Fortunately, I find much more than just that in Aces High II.
What's the contrary? Uncapturable bases with a good everlasting furball between them? Fun for short time, utterly boring on the long run.
Ther's good and bad in the MA. And the good thing is the variety of battles & fights I'm still able to find.
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Alright, I have had enough of this thread. I am now going to state my opinion of what I think is right and wrong. Dogfite, I agree with you 100%. This is the main arena people, the object is to take bases. Someone posted earlier about having HT fix this "problem" of dropping hangers and killing a furball but he already did, it's called the dueling arena. Now there isn't a score kept there but if there was would you fly there? That should be a better suggestion to him. No wonder my country keeps losing bases and wars if this is the attitude of the players. . We all pay to play, and if it is allowed, let them. If all you want to do is furball, which I do like to do myself, then complain to hitech that he should have a scoring system in the da. A lot of you say I'm not in it for the score but yet you complain about a furball being broken up. Last time I checked, there is a continous furball going on in the da that no one can interupt. If you say is true, that you don't care about score and just want to furball, go there! The main arena's were created for war scenarios, and sometimes furballs come to light, but base taking is the objective. So shut the heck up if your complaining about a furball being stopped by hangers being dropped. The same complainers complain about how the other countries are taking all of our bases, so what is your view then? There are many who would like to see things in this game go along with what they want to see. A thread was started recently about WW1 planes, and this game is based on WW2. Everyone wants to see their own thing they are interested in and Hitech has done that by putting in different arenas. If all you want to do is furball, fine go to the dueling arena. If you want to furball in the main arena, fine, but don't complain when someone kills your furball.
Stone me if you will, but for crying out loud, think about what you are talking about and what's available before you start screaming and complaining about things that hitech has thought of and givin different options for!
Salute to all, but this is THE MOST CHILDISH THREAD I have read that continues to keep going.
Think in the mind of those that have a different opinion, it will make you a better individual.
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No wonder my country keeps losing bases and wars if this is the attitude of the players
This is the attitude of most of the players. Most don't care that much about captures and winning the war.
For my part, I think we need capturable bases because I believe they start many of the fights. I don't participate in base capture but I lover defending against it(horde busting). As for winning the war.... like most, I cannot begin to care about it, even when I try.
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I agree with you steve, but the option is there to take bases. The whole point of what hitech was thinking, I believe, when he created the main arenas. And besides, if you start steamrolling bases, pilots will start upping to stop it which in a sense, creates furballs.
And since hitech thought of the furball mindset, he wouldn't have created the dueling arena. I though would like to see scoring there which I think most furballers are giving the bases of their argument.
So what I am saying is if someone bombs the hangers, say ahhhhh, and go to the next base. Otherwise tell hitech to get rid of bombers, the main arenas, and go to nothing but furballing.
It's the diversity of this game that keeps me coming back. Knowing that everytime I sign on I have the option of doing what I want cause in fact, that's what I am paying my money for right?
And also, I really doubt that anyone in this game bombs hangers for the sole purpose of ticking countrymen off. I think that is what a couple of people interpret that to be but as we all know, when someone puts something in print, others believe it to be true.
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What's the contrary? Uncapturable bases with a good everlasting furball between them? Fun for short time, utterly boring on the long run.
Too bad you never got to experience the VoD (Valley of Dweebs) in AW. There was always a 20+ furball going on pretty much 24/7 (or at least until server reset) between A82 and B85. Only half a sector apart with a river dividing the two bases and you were in the thick of it as soon as your wheels went up. Even though it was on the far eastern side of the Small Euro map on the Az/Bzland side, you'd see quite a large number of Czlanders that would fly half way across the map just to take part in the furball. Great times, great fun and great fights.
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Too bad you never got to experience the VoD (Valley of Dweebs) in AW. There was always a 20+ furball going on pretty much 24/7 (or at least until server reset) between A82 and B85. Only half a sector apart with a river dividing the two bases and you were in the thick of it as soon as your wheels went up. Even though it was on the far eastern side of the Small Euro map on the Az/Bzland side, you'd see quite a large number of Czlanders that would fly half way across the map just to take part in the furball. Great times, great fun and great fights.
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I loved the VoD
Funny, after the demise of AH I met and became friends with Grey Eagle.
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Too bad you never got to experience the VoD (Valley of Dweebs) in AW. There was always a 20+ furball going on pretty much 24/7 (or at least until server reset) between A82 and B85. Only half a sector apart with a river dividing the two bases and you were in the thick of it as soon as your wheels went up. Even though it was on the far eastern side of the Small Euro map on the Az/Bzland side, you'd see quite a large number of Czlanders that would fly half way across the map just to take part in the furball. Great times, great fun and great fights.
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I do not doubt it was great fun...
But a single type of battle can't keep my attention for long.
Back when we had Fighter Town in AH (I know, it's in no way comparable) I had great fun for 30mins... then I got bored. It's with every kind of combat here.
But then, I'm also not one of the guys that can fly one plane almost exclusively :P
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Wow, when I come back I am going to make it a point to hunt him and his squad.
you wont be able to, i have already killed them :devil
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I loved the VoD
Funny, after the demise of AH I met and became friends with Grey Eagle.
Funny part is you could count on fights between B83 and C83 ongoing, C84 and A84, and if you really wanted to base capture it was a heckuva tougher fight going for the capturable bases as there was a steady stream of defenders from the uncapturable bases behind those fields. It took some effort to get the job done, and even if you got it, you knew the counter attack was coming.
The bomber guys had targets deep to go for too like the Spit factory, which of course had guys up to defend.
And for really good fun you could take up a bunch of dweebs in 38s from Cz land and go deep to the VoD and bounce the Az and Bz who were trying to pound each other there.
Ahh fond memories :)
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I do not doubt it was great fun...
But a single type of battle can't keep my attention for long.
Back when we had Fighter Town in AH (I know, it's in no way comparable) I had great fun for 30mins... then I got bored. It's with every kind of combat here.
But then, I'm also not one of the guys that can fly one plane almost exclusively :P
Yeah but you are slow....:)
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But then, I'm also not one of the guys that can fly one plane almost exclusively :P
Well, that's just because you've never flown the Lightning...as the saying goes, once you go twin tail, you never go back ;)
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Well, that's just because you've never flown the Lightning...as the saying goes, once you go twin tail, you never go back ;)
Or the magic just doesn't work with me... as I do have some (very few) kills in 38's in the MA's.. ~344 so far... and still I don't get it :confused:
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Again, like most, you fail to get the point of this thread. It is not about capturing bases or bombing, it's purely about one group intentionally going out to grief another group because that group is not playing how the other group wants them to play. That is the only point of this thread. We are not saying that players that enjoy the bombing or capturing bases shouldn't be allowed, in fact as Steve and others have noted, these can be the catalyst to start a fight, we are just asking those players realize that not everyone plays to 'Win the War (tm)' and not intentionally ruin our fun just because we do not play the way they want us to.
The argument that we should go to the DA isn't valid since the DA was never created to be a replacement for the MA, nor was the game designed for the main arenas to be "war scenarios", the main arenas were designed for aerial combat and the other features (base capture, etc...) added to help facilitate combat. You can ask HiTech himself and he'll be the first to correct you.
There is no reason why both furballers and bombers can't coexist together and for the most part they do. Again, a perfect example is 99990000 and others like him. The problem starts when you have idiots like DOGFITE and FORTRESS that believe the only way to play is their way and will go out and ruin anyone's fun that doesn't agree with them.
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I can't read two pages of responses every time I post something, lol, so I've just got one thing to say...
You can't let one person ruin the game for you (DOGFITE, I'm not saying you did anything, I wasn't there, I'm just talking in general terms). Don't you get mad when you take a carrier and move it 2 hours to another base only to have a guy up while you're trying to set up a mission to take it. Don't you get mad when you try to run an NOE mission and you have the squeaker flying 500 feet above the water, or worse yet going from 100 to 500 setting off the dar like a darn cop siren. It's something you have to deal with, but you'd be a lot better off to just sigh and move on, because it's not going to change.
We arent letting one person ruin the game for us.....many people do what DogFite did that night, and alot of the time they are newer members to the community. People say you need to defend against it but honestly if 1 side is putting up half the numbers as the other. the side with the advantage in the furball are going to have problems going after 1 set of high buffs inbound to kill their fighter hangars. Rule of thumb for attacking anything in war is to have 3 to 1 odds, we use this in the Infantry and it also applies here. The furball DogFite shut down didnt show this advantage out of our side, this was a steady furball with almost exact same numbers on both sides(even though rooks were gunna lose because I was owning Wings of Terror all night). What im getting at is this couldnt be strategical, this base wasnt key to the "victory" and it wasnt causing our side any problems at all to maybe lose our base. For someone to bomb hangars they should be going off one of the reasons given. Furballers can make people stop upping too, I bet nobody in DogFites sqaud has killed the same person 4-5 times in one sortie, best believe that guy got pissed and logged when this happens :devil
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Alright, I have had enough of this thread. I am now going to state my opinion of what I think is right and wrong. Dogfite, I agree with you 100%. This is the main arena people, the object is to take bases. Someone posted earlier about having HT fix this "problem" of dropping hangers and killing a furball but he already did, it's called the dueling arena.
Incorrect.
The point of AcesHigh is Aerial Combat.
Field captures, bombers, ground vehicles, carrier groups, (etc, etc)are all things put into the game by HTC to facillitate Aerial Combat.
Base taking is the "sideshow" not the "point".
The Dueling Arena is for players to have somewhere for a 1 on 1 duel.
You must be fairly new.
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Incorrect.
The point of AcesHigh is Aerial Combat.
Field captures, bombers, ground vehicles, carrier groups, (etc, etc)are all things put into the game by HTC to facillitate Aerial Combat.
Base taking is the "sideshow" not the "point".
The Dueling Arena is for players to have somewhere for a 1 on 1 duel.
You must be fairly new.
When was the last time you were in the dueling arena? Hardly a 1v1. And if it's for aerial combat, what are GV's doing there? And then why are bombers allowed in the game? Just for missions? Yes, I started playing in January 09, but still I can see what can and should be allowed and the game should allow what ever you want to do and as I read, no one has the right to tell wnyone what they cna and shall not do except for the creators of this game. Anyone else is just whining about something out of their control and for calling someone out, as I have read, is violation of thread rules in which has been broken many times and which may have not been caught yet.
And since you call taking bases a sideshow, if a country takes enough bases they win the war and resets the map, hardly a SIDESHOW in my book.
I may be somewhat of a newbie to the game, but I know what is mature about things and this is playground crap.
Start thinking people about the different options this game gives, the DA, the MA's, and put it together for yourself. The creators have thought this thing out, otherwise, fighter hangers would be indestructable just to keep your furballl alive, and base taking wouldn't exist.
I love a good furball, god knows I do, but for crying out loud kiddies, if a fight dies, force another one! I have started many. AND I'M A NOOB IN MANY EYES, and if I can start one at a new base, what does that say about those who are looking for a fight and not starting one!
The fact of the matter is, as I have said in an earlier post, play how you want to play. But don't force others to play how you want to play. If the option is there to try and take a base by the bombers, they have the right. Even if there is a furball going on. Furballers have the right to furball, but remember that there are others trying to take bases and the one you are fighting near might be on their list. But just don't complain about things that are totally legal in the game! I have been turned off by hangers being bombed before when I was furballing but I never complained about it! Move to another fight!
Why the heck is a NOOB having to explain the obvious and defend both sides of this issue? Oh, I know, cause the parties involved forgot that this is only a game and everyone has the right to have fun, and that too many take things personally. Hence thinking that if someone does something they don't want done, must be on purpose to tick others off because they want them to play their way, as I have reaed. But isn't this post the same thing? Play my way?
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The same complainers complain about how the other countries are taking all of our bases
What a joke you are, making up base less general assumptions and saying it for fact. :rolleyes: I guess you can say I "complain" when a tool drops all the FH's at a furball but I dont complain when they "enemy" is taking our bases.
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I know hes cool and stuff but you dont have to just quote him after he says anything :D . Dogfite is honestly just ignorant as are you because you havnt played that long, Im going on 3 years now and I consider myself still a noob :rock
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Alright, I have had enough of this thread. I am now going to state my opinion of what I think is right and wrong. Dogfite, I agree with you 100%. This is the main arena people, the object is to take bases. Someone posted earlier about having HT fix this "problem" of dropping hangers and killing a furball but he already did, it's called the dueling arena. Now there isn't a score kept there but if there was would you fly there? That should be a better suggestion to him. No wonder my country keeps losing bases and wars if this is the attitude of the players. . We all pay to play, and if it is allowed, let them. If all you want to do is furball, which I do like to do myself, then complain to hitech that he should have a scoring system in the da. A lot of you say I'm not in it for the score but yet you complain about a furball being broken up. Last time I checked, there is a continous furball going on in the da that no one can interupt. If you say is true, that you don't care about score and just want to furball, go there! The main arena's were created for war scenarios, and sometimes furballs come to light, but base taking is the objective. So shut the heck up if your complaining about a furball being stopped by hangers being dropped. The same complainers complain about how the other countries are taking all of our bases, so what is your view then? There are many who would like to see things in this game go along with what they want to see. A thread was started recently about WW1 planes, and this game is based on WW2. Everyone wants to see their own thing they are interested in and Hitech has done that by putting in different arenas. If all you want to do is furball, fine go to the dueling arena. If you want to furball in the main arena, fine, but don't complain when someone kills your furball.
Stone me if you will, but for crying out loud, think about what you are talking about and what's available before you start screaming and complaining about things that hitech has thought of and givin different options for!
Salute to all, but this is THE MOST CHILDISH THREAD I have read that continues to keep going.
Think in the mind of those that have a different opinion, it will make you a better individual.
Another clueless individual that has no idea what AH is about... there I spoke my mind. :P
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Capturing territory through the use of air, land and sea power is the objective in Aces High II.
From the official AH help pages: http://www2.hitechcreations.com/ahhelp/map.html (http://www2.hitechcreations.com/ahhelp/map.html)
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From the official AH help pages: http://www2.hitechcreations.com/ahhelp/map.html (http://www2.hitechcreations.com/ahhelp/map.html)
I want Hitechs word on this :devil
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I want Hitechs word on this :devil
Isn't HTC HiTech's own company? :noid
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And like I said before, let the stones fly! Call names! You obviously can't have civilized discussions about anything without saying "You don't know what your talking about" and such. Doesn't bother me, your only defending your opinions by insults, not facts and such. I have only stated my opinions and others begin to insult. That shows no respect for anyone that thinks for himself. How about you state some facts, and compare them with someone elses and let the masses decide huh? Or better yet, PM Hitech and tell him what you think about this and see what he says. If your right, fighter hangers won't be downed. I doubt that would be the case though.
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Another clueless individual that has no idea what AH is about
Here's your chance for all us "noobs". Tell us exactly what Ah is about.
Without any wants or needs or how you view the game should be played. Only facts. Which means that you need to explain exactly Hitechs vision of what AH is about. Inform us please, cause I would love to hear this so I don't upset those by doing something THEY feel is wrong.
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Go read HITechs take on it... or have someone read it for you.
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Touché. :noid Wish they would change that. Base capture is the number one killer of good fights in the arenas.
It's also the number one creator of good fights. I'm pretty sure the base capture system was chosen to encourage air combat. The number one inhibitor of good fights is fear of getting wet in all-out fights.
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I want Hitechs word on this :devil
Some play the game to fulfill the actual parameters that it was designed for, which is to overcome and conquer bases, and eventually the country, thus winning the war/game.
This is a false assumption.
The game was designed to have fun at different types of combat. Conquering bases is just a means to promote combat and hence fun. But by no means is it more or less justified than going out and just mixing it up.
HiTech
Were does the fun for all factor kick in when your being shot down by someone who has no mission in the game?
I drive 100 miles to work every day, that is my mission, to get to work, what if i go out and get hit head on by a kid just running around for the fun of it because he had nothing better to do? Who won the game there?
I believe neither won in your case, but it does in no way say your "mission" is better because you are driving 100 miles, vs the person who's mission is just to enjoy his car and the outdoors. Nor should you have to build 2 separate road systems for the 2 different reasons for driving. And really would it make any difference to you if you were hit by someone also on a work mission? Outcome is identical.
He defends no base, attacks no base for no other purpose than to furball/vultch.
And it makes no difference what his reasons are. If he is uping from a base and killing people, he is having an influence on the fight and field defense. If he is killing people at a field, he is influencing a base attack.
And as to 2 different games/play styles. There are a lot more than just 2.
Think that pretty much sums it up and refutes the "Win the War (tm)" is the sole purpose of main arena game play.
ack-ack
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Here's your chance for all us "noobs". Tell us exactly what Ah is about.
Without any wants or needs or how you view the game should be played. Only facts. Which means that you need to explain exactly Hitechs vision of what AH is about. Inform us please, cause I would love to hear this so I don't upset those by doing something THEY feel is wrong.
Thats an easy one.
Having FUN!
Granted, some would love a MSFlight Sim version where we are constantly messing with carb heat and choke as the Alt changes, some would love an arcade version, some would want everyone to fly historically and not have theatres mixed, some would love for everyone fly as if were real and getting home with 1 kill and landing is considered greater than getting 12 kills and dying. Some people want team work, some want to fly solo.
Great thing about this game, between special events, the selection of arenas and simply the choices made in the game as to where to fly and fight... everyone can have "Their" version of fun.
Hordes however, on some maps, can make that difficult at times, but the other 18 hours of the day its a-ok.
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If you want to drop hangers because you can justify it by taking the base, then more power to ya.
If you are constantly getting on country channel complaining about furballers and then decide to hit hangers at their opponents base with the sole purpose of getting your countrymen to quit what they are having fun doing, change countries because you got called out, bomb and bail, deny it, are shown screenshots and film showing you did exactly what you claimed you don't do, still play innocent when the evidence is there, you might be a
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If you defend this guy after all that has been presented, you may have...
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Go read HITechs take on it... or have someone read it for you.
How did you know the one thing that would make me cry? Could you make me feel better and read it for me? Since you know I can't read, or maybe come up with a better insult? I didn't comment on this to get insulted, just state my opinion but it shows how mature some can be when someone says that they can see the other sides point of view and the only come back is insults. Hmmmm, maybe, just maybe, if you actually discuss things in a civilized manner without insults you could see results. And I am a furballer myself, I was only saying I can see the other sides point of view but OH NO!! Can't do that! My way or the highway! I was meerly trying to ease a little bit of pressure on both parts by giving different poitns of view( if YOU could read you would have read an earlier post I made).
Have some fun, it's only a game. For those that want to be treated like adults, act like it, but the little my mommy is better then your mommy game?, played that years ago but I grew up. Maybe you should try it, it actually is pretty cool.
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A8HatTrick! :aok :salute You said my point exactly, course you did it in 1 post instead of the many I have tried but you hit the nail on the head!
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How did you know the one thing that would make me cry? Could you make me feel better and read it for me? Since you know I can't read, or maybe come up with a better insult? I didn't comment on this to get insulted, just state my opinion but it shows how mature some can be when someone says that they can see the other sides point of view and the only come back is insults. Hmmmm, maybe, just maybe, if you actually discuss things in a civilized manner without insults you could see results. And I am a furballer myself, I was only saying I can see the other sides point of view but OH NO!! Can't do that! My way or the highway! I was meerly trying to ease a little bit of pressure on both parts by giving different poitns of view( if YOU could read you would have read an earlier post I made).
Have some fun, it's only a game. For those that want to be treated like adults, act like it, but the little my mommy is better then your mommy game?, played that years ago but I grew up. Maybe you should try it, it actually is pretty cool.
the problem is with you is that you utterly fail over and over and over again to get the point. At this point, I've come to the realization that you and the others that fail to see the point will never understand, so any further attempts to show you is just a waste of mine and others time. I've also come to the sad realization that it appears that a great deal of the players in this game are utterly and hopelessly stupid.
ack-ack
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Uhhh, ok? To see ones point could mean to look at the others. Have you done that?
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the problem is with you is that you utterly fail over and over and over again to get the point. At this point, I've come to the realization that you and the others that fail to see the point will never understand, so any further attempts to show you is just a waste of mine and others time. I've also come to the sad realization that it appears that a great deal of the players in this game are utterly and hopelessly stupid.
ack-ack
I tried using pictures. Still doesnt work. :aok
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Capturing territory through the use of air, land and sea power is the objective in Aces High II. -- HiTech
Capturing territory through the use of air, land and sea power is the objective in Aces High II. -- HiTech
Capturing territory through the use of air, land and sea power is the objective in Aces High II. -- HiTech
Capturing territory through the use of air, land and sea power is the objective in Aces High II. -- HiTech
Capturing territory through the use of air, land and sea power is the objective in Aces High II. -- HiTech
Capturing territory through the use of air, land and sea power is the objective in Aces High II. -- HiTech
Capturing territory through the use of air, land and sea power is the objective in Aces High II. -- HiTech
Capturing territory through the use of air, land and sea power is the objective in Aces High II. -- HiTech
Capturing territory through the use of air, land and sea power is the objective in Aces High II. -- HiTech
That seemed as intelligent as anything else I've read in this thread! :P
If the furball gets killed, help take the base, then go to the furball at the NEXT base! I'm sure the other side won't just go home because they lost a base!
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Isn't pretty sad when a noob has to tell vets to have fun and not sweat the small stuff? That's all I am saying, it's not the end of the world, or the furball for that matter! :aok :salute
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Uhhh, ok? To see ones point could mean to look at the others. Have you done that?
Yes, I've looked at it from their point of view and it still doesn't change the fact they are wrong. But it seems that since you don't understand why this thread was created in the first place, you are completely incapable of understanding the argument in the first place. Unless that is, you agree that players like DOGFITE and FORTRESS are totally in the right to intentionally grief other players because they aren't playing the game like DOGFITE and FORTRESS think they should. Is that what you're agreeing with? I hope not, because players that do agree with these tools are no better and are a detriment to the game and game play in the main arenas.
Let's say you and some friends are playing a game of hoops at the local park. There is another group that is playing tag football. You need a couple of more guys to balance out the teams for your game so you ask a couple of the guys playing football if they can help out. They tell you sorry but no, they're having fun playing football. Well, you think otherwise and feel that they should help you out so your group takes the football and let the air out. Now you tell the other guys, well no more football so now you can help us play basketball. Are you not surprised these guys then turn around and kick your arse?
ack-ack
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Thing is canacka I DID try to explain it to you.
I was short and concise and I thought pretty clear.
I will rephrase my post and see if that helps.
AcesHigh is about Aerial Combat. That is the "point" of the game.
There are many facets in the game that HiTech put in there to help facilitate Aerial Combat.
The reason we have bombers is to help promote Aerial Combat.
Same thing with GV's, Carrier groups, Field Captures, etc.
Consider those things the "sidedish" whereas Aerial Combat is the "main course".
I was merely correcting you when you said that the "point" of the game is to "win the war" and that just is not true.
Far from it actually.
Those that play to "win the war", to me, are missing out on the best part of the game.
Bombing? (easy).
Ground Vehicles? (simple).
Base captures? (we've all see 50 noobs swarm a field and get it, nothing difficult about field takes)
Aerial Combat? Now that is HARD. It takes years and years and years to get "good" at it, which for me is what makes it so enjoyable.
Think that one through a bit.
Which would be the "point" of a game. The things any 2 week new player can do? Or something that takes years to master?
I fully understand those that gravitate to the "Sideshow" stuff. Learning to get good at Aerial Combat is HARD. Especially w/ the younger crowd. They don't have the attention span (most of 'em) to practice for a year or 3 to get "decent", so they gravitate towards the "easy" stuff like base captures, bombers and GV's. (granted this holds true for many of the older crowd as well) It is the whole "path of least resistence" bit.
Of COURSE the bottom line of the game is to enjoy yourself.
Nobody is telling anybody they have to play a certain way, at least I am not.
As far as the DA is concerned it is only there so players can duel. That is the Arenas "purpose". I don't 'count' Dweeb Lake as they are not using the arena as intended. (as has been stated by HTC) Mostly squeakers and former H2H noobs who can't cut it in the MA. They don't wanna have to climb or fly for 10-15min so they can die dumb trying to HO someone so they go to Dweeb Lake where they only have to fly 2-3 min before they die dumb.
(edit: I would like to add that if you practice with a good Trainer for a year or three you will probably "get" what I am trying to say. It is a perspective thing. I can see where you are coming from of course, I was new once. Maybe after you log the hours/days/weeks/months/years to get proficient at Aerial Combat you just might see where I am coming from. BUT most importantly HAVE FUN doing it. Fun is the key here)
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but what proof do you have that they dropped hangers just for the reason to aid in their base taking? Did they come on vox and say, well since the hangers are down you might as well help us take the base? I thought the thread started out as don't drop fighter hangers in a furball. Someone else later added that they did it on purpose to tick others off, I need evidence to change my mind that's just how I am. Didn't spend all those years, and money, in college studying criminal justice just to take hearsay and run with it without evidence. That's my point. But when I made a point earlier about how those that pay to play the game should play how they feel, I get insulted and branded. Am I wrong in my statement? Who is in charge of the main arenas please let me know. And please tell me the thread of the official rules of the arenas, since I am still new. I was purley trying to kill a thread that got way out of hand by some kids that kept adding their interpretation of something they probably weren't there for to begin with. I have been trying to state facts, like bombers can bomb and furballers can furball, but it seems in this community you have to pick a side. Well my side is the third side. The one that watches the other 2 go at it and laughs at how juvenile they are behaving over a game. If this is the most important thing you have, well then spend your time here the best you can, but I myself have better things in my life; ie: wife, kids that are more important to me. It's also why I deal with insults the way I do. Call me a tard, ok guess your right I am!
YOUR missing MY point. To many are making this too big a deal. Your not having fun, because someone else is doing something that this game fully allows and by complaining about is getting you nowhere but even more frustrated! Don't let it get to you. You are paying to play this game not getting paid. It's not a job. And since it's not a job and your not getting paid you must be doing it for fun right? But you are saying someone else is ruing your fun right? But they pay the same money as you and are having their own fun. It's a conflict of interest in striking the enemy. You are hitting the enemy but in different ways and if the rules allow it there is nothing to complain about. Now if someone HAS done something purposely to spoils someone else fun, show me the evidence and post it for all to see but accusations lead to posts like this, a never ending thread of people stating what they think is right when both side ARE right, and both sides are wrong.
edit: this post was being type dbefore I read yours Lute so it was not directed at yours. And I think both of us were reading eachothers wrong cause lot of what I have been trying to say you said in your last post. Especially about having fun.
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but what proof do you have that they dropped hangers just for the reason to aid in their base taking? Did they come on vox and say, well since the hangers are down you might as well help us take the base?
When the player declares on country channel that's he is taking out the fighter hangers because we're not helping him retake lost bases is pretty good proof that the player's only intention is to ruin the other group's fun.
ack-ack
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I agree with you steve, but the option is there to take bases. The whole point of what hitech was thinking, I believe, when he created the main arenas. And besides, if you start steamrolling bases, pilots will start upping to stop it which in a sense, creates furballs.
This is the point dedicated furballers, even some who have been here for years, just dont seem to get.
I've seen very few furballs that didnt start out with an attack on a base or as a base capture attempt.
Defenders up to try to defend the base and a furball which can sometimes last hours or even days ensues until one side gets the better of the other and either base is captured at which point there is often either a counter attack to retake the base just lost or a momentary pause while things like the FH's regenerate and the above scenareo repeats itself all over again.
With the base spacing as they are required there is no reason to not start a new furball between two other bases. The "good fights" never end. They just change scenery. At worst you get a slight pause. Use 6that 15 min to go to the bathroom or get something to eat or say a few words to your widow/future ex wife. Check on the ankle biters or if at work to actually do that little thing you get paid to do..work.
The furball is but one cog in the overall game. Its part of both the base capture and base defence. If one side does it right and everyone does their part, fighters,bombers etc they capture a base. If other side does it right and does their part in defending against the bombers and incoming fighters they successfully defend a base. If both sides do it right. You end up with a stalemate which becomes furball.
Furballs dont get killed. Only moved.
And when one temporarily ends unless its due to the horde. Its usually the fault of the furballers themselves at the defending bases for leaving field defense to someone else instead of doing their fair share.
If you have an active base. Expect its going to be attacked
IMO if your not willing to do your part to occasionally defend and always leave it for someone else to do. Then you surrender any legitimate right to complain when your FH's get dropped.
And c'mon even if you have to up from the next base over. Its not that long a ride. There is no rule that says you have to use full auto climb.
Up, level out get some speed up and pull into a slight climb. I promise you will end up at the furball area with a reasonable alt in less time then you think.
And if your FH's are down. Odds are there will be enemy over the base soon anyway. so your travel time to enemy targets isnt all that much longer then it would have been had the FH's not been dropped.
Only your takeoff location has changed.
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When the player declares on country channel that's he is taking out the fighter hangers because we're not helping him retake lost bases is pretty good proof that the player's only intention is to ruin the other group's fun.
ack-ack
Not an exact quote but close enough.
"Lets face it. the object of the game is to piss the other guy off" HTC member at one of the cons a couple of years ago (might even have been HT himself)
there is a recording of it somewhere on the boards
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For some reason I get the incredible urge to pork every fighter hanger I see now....
Bunch of cry babies...
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You win some and you lose some. You have the bomber guys who hit bases based on there position on the map and based on logic and you have those that love the smell of napalm in the morning. You have single prop jocks that like attacking stuff and those that like to dogfight.. no matter what you are always going to have the crowd in question in this topic, no matter how much you post about it in these forums.. don't sweat the small stuff.
if a bomber guy destroys the fighter hangers, pm the last guy that shot your down and see if he is willing to gather a bunch of people to move to another part of the map so you can duke it out.
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My head hurts.... my head hurts .....my head hurts.....
I love you guys 999000 <S>
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19 pages woot, canaka you say just have fun.....but what we are argueing is they harm fun gameplay when they kill furballs, understand. so please stop coming with the just do what you do and have fun arguement because it really doesnt fit here
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This is the point dedicated furballers, even some who have been here for years, just dont seem to get.
I've seen very few furballs that didnt start out with an attack on a base or as a base capture attempt.
Except for where I typed
For my part, I think we need capturable bases because I believe they start many of the fights.
and the only other furballer who commented on this agreed with me.
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This is the point dedicated furballers, even some who have been here for years, just dont seem to get.
I've seen very few furballs that didnt start out with an attack on a base or as a base capture attempt.
Defenders up to try to defend the base and a furball which can sometimes last hours or even days ensues until one side gets the better of the other and either base is captured at which point there is often either a counter attack to retake the base just lost or a momentary pause while things like the FH's regenerate and the above scenareo repeats itself all over again.
With the base spacing as they are required there is no reason to not start a new furball between two other bases. The "good fights" never end. They just change scenery. At worst you get a slight pause. Use 6that 15 min to go to the bathroom or get something to eat or say a few words to your widow/future ex wife. Check on the ankle biters or if at work to actually do that little thing you get paid to do..work.
The furball is but one cog in the overall game. Its part of both the base capture and base defence. If one side does it right and everyone does their part, fighters,bombers etc they capture a base. If other side does it right and does their part in defending against the bombers and incoming fighters they successfully defend a base. If both sides do it right. You end up with a stalemate which becomes furball.
Furballs dont get killed. Only moved.
And when one temporarily ends unless its due to the horde. Its usually the fault of the furballers themselves at the defending bases for leaving field defense to someone else instead of doing their fair share.
If you have an active base. Expect its going to be attacked
IMO if your not willing to do your part to occasionally defend and always leave it for someone else to do. Then you surrender any legitimate right to complain when your FH's get dropped.
And c'mon even if you have to up from the next base over. Its not that long a ride. There is no rule that says you have to use full auto climb.
Up, level out get some speed up and pull into a slight climb. I promise you will end up at the furball area with a reasonable alt in less time then you think.
And if your FH's are down. Odds are there will be enemy over the base soon anyway. so your travel time to enemy targets isnt all that much longer then it would have been had the FH's not been dropped.
Only your takeoff location has changed.
but what proof do you have that they dropped hangers just for the reason to aid in their base taking? Did they come on vox and say, well since the hangers are down you might as well help us take the base? I thought the thread started out as don't drop fighter hangers in a furball. Someone else later added that they did it on purpose to tick others off, I need evidence to change my mind that's just how I am. Didn't spend all those years, and money, in college studying criminal justice just to take hearsay and run with it without evidence. That's my point. But when I made a point earlier about how those that pay to play the game should play how they feel, I get insulted and branded. Am I wrong in my statement? Who is in charge of the main arenas please let me know. And please tell me the thread of the official rules of the arenas, since I am still new. I was purley trying to kill a thread that got way out of hand by some kids that kept adding their interpretation of something they probably weren't there for to begin with. I have been trying to state facts, like bombers can bomb and furballers can furball, but it seems in this community you have to pick a side. Well my side is the third side. The one that watches the other 2 go at it and laughs at how juvenile they are behaving over a game. If this is the most important thing you have, well then spend your time here the best you can, but I myself have better things in my life; ie: wife, kids that are more important to me. It's also why I deal with insults the way I do. Call me a tard, ok guess your right I am!
YOUR missing MY point. To many are making this too big a deal. Your not having fun, because someone else is doing something that this game fully allows and by complaining about is getting you nowhere but even more frustrated! Don't let it get to you. You are paying to play this game not getting paid. It's not a job. And since it's not a job and your not getting paid you must be doing it for fun right? But you are saying someone else is ruing your fun right? But they pay the same money as you and are having their own fun. It's a conflict of interest in striking the enemy. You are hitting the enemy but in different ways and if the rules allow it there is nothing to complain about. Now if someone HAS done something purposely to spoils someone else fun, show me the evidence and post it for all to see but accusations lead to posts like this, a never ending thread of people stating what they think is right when both side ARE right, and both sides are wrong.
edit: this post was being type dbefore I read yours Lute so it was not directed at yours. And I think both of us were reading eachothers wrong cause lot of what I have been trying to say you said in your last post. Especially about having fun.
Thing is canacka I DID try to explain it to you.
I was short and concise and I thought pretty clear.
I will rephrase my post and see if that helps.
AcesHigh is about Aerial Combat. That is the "point" of the game.
There are many facets in the game that HiTech put in there to help facilitate Aerial Combat.
The reason we have bombers is to help promote Aerial Combat.
Same thing with GV's, Carrier groups, Field Captures, etc.
Consider those things the "sidedish" whereas Aerial Combat is the "main course".
I was merely correcting you when you said that the "point" of the game is to "win the war" and that just is not true.
Far from it actually.
Those that play to "win the war", to me, are missing out on the best part of the game.
Bombing? (easy).
Ground Vehicles? (simple).
Base captures? (we've all see 50 noobs swarm a field and get it, nothing difficult about field takes)
Aerial Combat? Now that is HARD. It takes years and years and years to get "good" at it, which for me is what makes it so enjoyable.
Think that one through a bit.
Which would be the "point" of a game. The things any 2 week new player can do? Or something that takes years to master?
I fully understand those that gravitate to the "Sideshow" stuff. Learning to get good at Aerial Combat is HARD. Especially w/ the younger crowd. They don't have the attention span (most of 'em) to practice for a year or 3 to get "decent", so they gravitate towards the "easy" stuff like base captures, bombers and GV's. (granted this holds true for many of the older crowd as well) It is the whole "path of least resistence" bit.
Of COURSE the bottom line of the game is to enjoy yourself.
Nobody is telling anybody they have to play a certain way, at least I am not.
As far as the DA is concerned it is only there so players can duel. That is the Arenas "purpose". I don't 'count' Dweeb Lake as they are not using the arena as intended. (as has been stated by HTC) Mostly squeakers and former H2H noobs who can't cut it in the MA. They don't wanna have to climb or fly for 10-15min so they can die dumb trying to HO someone so they go to Dweeb Lake where they only have to fly 2-3 min before they die dumb.
(edit: I would like to add that if you practice with a good Trainer for a year or three you will probably "get" what I am trying to say. It is a perspective thing. I can see where you are coming from of course, I was new once. Maybe after you log the hours/days/weeks/months/years to get proficient at Aerial Combat you just might see where I am coming from. BUT most importantly HAVE FUN doing it. Fun is the key here)
I didn't read a word of any of that. :)
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I didn't read a word of any of that. :)
but commend it for it's passion. Defending something totally lame never looked so informative.
Me so confused, okai I go shoot down planes, I go bang bang they go boom boom, Kekekekekekeke ^_^
Grizz is a pretty smart dude. I found this passage elsewhere...... May these words be our guiding light in these over blown threads.
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Just out of curiosity, how hard would it be to de-ack a field (or at least take out a good chunk) in a level bomber? If you can take out most of those, you'll be everybody's best friend...
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but commend it for it's passion. Defending something totally lame never looked so informative.
Grizz is a pretty smart dude. I found this passage elsewhere...... May these words be our guiding light in these over blown threads.
YOU WATCH YOUR MOUTH BILLY!!!
a dish she ney shei ba yan :t
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Just out of curiosity, how hard would it be to de-ack a field (or at least take out a good chunk) in a level bomber? If you can take out most of those, you'll be everybody's best friend...
It used to be really easy with the old laser bombsight (ack, ack, ack, hangar, hangar, ack, ack - that was one pass back then with salvos macro'd). But it should still be doable nowadays, at least on small fields with lots of small bombs, 2 passes at a time (one side of the runway each).
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Golf clap.
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MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAH............Mission Accomplished.
wtg you made this thread 20 pages long congrats bomber :devil
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I KNOw you don't care, but you're really only bragging about your skilllessness.
bombing is........................... .
so easy a caveman could do it.
:rofl :rofl
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I KNOw you don't care, but you're really only bragging about your skilllessness.
bombing is........................... .
so easy a caveman could do it.
:rofl :rofl
Shhhhhhhhhhhh.
He might hear you, and learn something.
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Not an exact quote but close enough.
"Lets face it. the object of the game is to piss the other guy off" HTC member at one of the cons a couple of years ago (might even have been HT himself)
there is a recording of it somewhere on the boards
Come on DRED ... your kidding? ... right ?
"Piss off the other guy" in the context that HT meant, was to piss off the enemy ... not to piss off your own countrymen ... so it has no context in the vain of this thread.
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Come on DRED ... your kidding? ... right ?
"Piss off the other guy" in the context that HT meant, was to piss off the enemy ... not to piss off your own countrymen ... so it has no context in the vain of this thread.
Thank you!
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How did you know the one thing that would make me cry? Could you make me feel better and read it for me? Since you know I can't read, or maybe come up with a better insult? I didn't comment on this to get insulted, just state my opinion but it shows how mature some can be when someone says that they can see the other sides point of view and the only come back is insults. Hmmmm, maybe, just maybe, if you actually discuss things in a civilized manner without insults you could see results. And I am a furballer myself, I was only saying I can see the other sides point of view but OH NO!! Can't do that! My way or the highway! I was meerly trying to ease a little bit of pressure on both parts by giving different poitns of view( if YOU could read you would have read an earlier post I made).
Have some fun, it's only a game. For those that want to be treated like adults, act like it, but the little my mommy is better then your mommy game?, played that years ago but I grew up. Maybe you should try it, it actually is pretty cool.
I assumed you were too lazy to read it as it has been posted many times on the boards. I did not think that you possibly did not know how to research the boards. Nothing was meant to be insulting or make you cry. If you took it that way maybe you do have some issues.
Your problem not mine though.
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Beefcake, you're terrible :rofl
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Beefcake, you're terrible :rofl
a blind drunken chimpanzee having a bad trip on lsd could hit the fh from only 16k alt.
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I KNOw you don't care, but you're really only bragging about your skilllessness.
bombing is........................... .
so easy a caveman could do it.
:rofl :rofl
yes but it does take a bit of skill to take down a small feild and a town with one set of lancs!!! just sayin!! lol
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mwahahahahah................mwahahahahahahahahaahahah
MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH......... ...........
MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAH............Mission Accomplished.
:lol
You're a bad, bad man.
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a blind drunken chimpanzee having a bad trip on lsd could hit the fh from only 16k alt.
Hehe, well, Beefcake is a squaddie and a very good bomber pilot. I'm fairly certain he'd drop his bombs on a different target of opportunity if asked politely. I can't speak for him, but I figure this is a case of "If you TELL me not to do something, I'm going to do it twice." I have to give him a nod and a smirk for that :)
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Hehe, well, Beefcake is a squaddie and a very good bomber pilot. I'm fairly certain he'd drop his bombs on a different target of opportunity if asked politely. I can't speak for him, but I figure this is a case of "If you TELL me not to do something, I'm going to do it twice." I have to give him a nod and a smirk for that :)
I'm sure he might be a nice guy to you but my opinion of him is that he's a salamander. I'm sure being the salamander he is, he wouldn't have moved to another target if asked since his intent was to be a salamander and bomb the fighter hangers. It really didn't matter though, since there really wasn't a furball going on at that base, more of a CAP and vulch session. He didn't piss anyone off and in the process made himself to look like a rather big salamander.
ack-ack
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Hehe, well, Beefcake is a squaddie and a very good bomber pilot. I'm fairly certain he'd drop his bombs on a different target of opportunity if asked politely. I can't speak for him, but I figure this is a case of "If you TELL me not to do something, I'm going to do it twice." I have to give him a nod and a smirk for that :)
I would think as much as you like to fight, squaddie or not, this wouldn't be "smirked" upon. Fact is, like stated before, killing FHz is ruining game play.
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I would think as much as you like to fight, squaddie or not, this wouldn't be "smirked" upon. Fact is, like stated before, killing FHz is ruining game play.
When someone asks me to do/not to do something, I try my best to accommodate them.
When someone advises me to do/not to do something, I try my best to hear them out.
When someone tells me to do/not to do something, things get interesting.
I might not like what he did, but I still can't help but smirk when I see that he did it.
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Let me chime in here for a bit seriousness. As a buff pilot I actually view bombing the FH's as a waste of time, as normally they repop before I can even land. I prefer to bomb fuel to hinder fighter pilots as I know some planes don't do well in long fights without those DTs and 100%. Last night was just me screwing around so I could take screenshots and stir the pot in this thread. I mean people should thank me for what I did as after I dropped the FH's the bish upped about 12 262's and headed over to reinforce that base. :devil
Normally I like to leave FH's up because I'll get a few of those "elite" pilots that will take off and crawl up my 6 only to fall back to earth in pieces.
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Normally I like to leave FH's up because I'll get a few of those "elite" pilots that will take off and crawl up my 6 only to fall back to earth in pieces.
THAT is part of the fun i have in bombers.
i don't much like the guys that park off my 6 low, and think they're not gonna get popped.
i prefer the guys that know how to attack buffs. they're more of a challenge....and fun. :aok
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Bombers, the other other other white meat. My weak little pwny just eats 'em up. :aok
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Let me chime in here for a bit seriousness. As a buff pilot I actually view bombing the FH's as a waste of time, as normally they repop before I can even land. I prefer to bomb fuel to hinder fighter pilots as I know some planes don't do well in long fights without those DTs and 100%. Last night was just me screwing around so I could take screenshots and stir the pot in this thread. I mean people should thank me for what I did as after I dropped the FH's the bish upped about 12 262's and headed over to reinforce that base. :devil
Normally I like to leave FH's up because I'll get a few of those "elite" pilots that will take off and crawl up my 6 only to fall back to earth in pieces.
Most dont need drop tanks to get to a fight in AH.(But i will add, i dont care what you fly where and how you fight ,tis your money)
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Bombers are like free kills xD
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except B26s. I hate those f@ckers.
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except B26s. I hate those f@ckers.
Bah....get those with a high energy vert pass on their bellies...its the b17's that scare me. :)
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I'm sure he might be a nice guy to you but my opinion of him is that he's a salamander. I'm sure being the salamander he is, he wouldn't have moved to another target if asked since his intent was to be a salamander and bomb the fighter hangers. It really didn't matter though, since there really wasn't a furball going on at that base, more of a CAP and vulch session. He didn't piss anyone off and in the process made himself to look like a rather big salamander.
ack-ack
I prefer the term brown trout.
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except B26s. I hate those f@ckers.
b17's are the ones i have the most trouble with.
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Come on DRED ... your kidding? ... right ?
"Piss off the other guy" in the context that HT meant, was to piss off the enemy ... not to piss off your own countrymen ... so it has no context in the vain of this thread.
By bombing the other guys hangars you are pissing off the other guy.
Bottom line is still as I discribed in the post prior.
I dont buy into the "ruined a good fight" whine. The fight ends only temporarily. All furballs both begin and end with the base capture attempt at which point They simply move to a fight between two other bases, nothing more. At worst the hangars are down what? 15 min? oohhhhh the travesty.
Considering you can make it from the next base over in less then 5 minutes in most cases provided your not planning on making like an astronaut.
I fail to see the legitimacy in the argument of a "ruined fight" other then for the extremely lazy. For which I have no particular compassion
If your not willing to defend your base against bombers thats on you. not the bomber pilot.
And if the other side isnt willing to defend theirs thats their fault, not your countryman's
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By bombing the other guys hangars you are pissing off the other guy.
Bottom line is still as I discribed in the post prior.
I dont buy into the "ruined a good fight" whine. The fight ends only temporarily. All furballs both begin and end with the base capture attempt at which point They simply move to a fight between two other bases, nothing more. At worst the hangars are down what? 15 min? oohhhhh the travesty.
Considering you can make it from the next base over in less then 5 minutes in most cases provided your not planning on making like an astronaut.
I fail to see the legitimacy in the argument of a "ruined fight" other then for the extremely lazy. For which I have no particular compassion
If your not willing to defend your base against bombers thats on you. not the bomber pilot.
And if the other side isnt willing to defend theirs thats their fault, not your countryman's
Good point Dred. I can't disagree with you at all in general, but I can disagree in the spirit of this threads evolution.
I do think calling out lameness on your own country is as an effective tool as there is. The title of this thread cannot change, but the Genesis of why it was posted can be found throughout it. Clearly, it is frowned upon to purposefully try to stop people on your own country from having their fun simply because they are just furballin and not winnin teh warrrrz. It gets old when it becomes a nightly occurrence that someone logs on and complains that "Knits never take bases, knits just furball, knits cant do this ta ht etc." When the same person does it over and over and then finally goes and kills the FH for the sole purpose of griefing it's bound to get called out.
That's what happened here.
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We'll next time I see buffs coming to bomb a con base where a good fight is.... I'll back off and let yall deal with him. That way yall can have fun too. :aok
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All furballs both begin and end with the base capture attempt
Nope.
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Nope.
I agree. You'd be surprised how many furballs you can start by doing a D3a Fighter sweep. :D
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By bombing the other guys hangars you are pissing off the other guy.
Bottom line is still as I discribed in the post prior.
I dont buy into the "ruined a good fight" whine. The fight ends only temporarily. All furballs both begin and end with the base capture attempt at which point They simply move to a fight between two other bases, nothing more. At worst the hangars are down what? 15 min? oohhhhh the travesty.
Considering you can make it from the next base over in less then 5 minutes in most cases provided your not planning on making like an astronaut.
I fail to see the legitimacy in the argument of a "ruined fight" other then for the extremely lazy. For which I have no particular compassion
If your not willing to defend your base against bombers thats on you. not the bomber pilot.
And if the other side isnt willing to defend theirs thats their fault, not your countryman's
But your argument can be said in reverse too. If you are that intent on bombing a base, it only takes you five minutes getting to the next in most cases provided you are not planning on making like an astronaut.
Last night being a perfect example. The bomber guys went to the next base over and took it, while the fighter guys had a 4+ hour fight between 2 bases. Since the fighter guys are keeping the other fighter guys busy, why should the fighters have to move just so you can bomb the base where the fight is at?
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When someone asks me to do/not to do something, I try my best to accommodate them.
When someone advises me to do/not to do something, I try my best to hear them out.
When someone tells me to do/not to do something, things get interesting.
I might not like what he did, but I still can't help but smirk when I see that he did it.
What if someone ask me to multiple times to do something, but I didnt do it, what then?
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Ok.. lets run with the "base capture" reason for killing FHz.
What sense does it make, when the fight is low.. and your country is getting "control" of cap. What is the point of killing the FHz instead of VH when its common sense that once the enemy get so close to the base, that vehicles are the next line of defense? Why kill FHz? If you ARE trying to take a base, why kill FHz when all they will do is up from the next closest base, with MORE alt, to kill those who ARE trying to contain the enemy?
When a fight goes from 5-7k to 10+k, I, as many others, lose interest in that fight, and go somewhere else. Then those people who killed the FHz moan and groan cuz there's no help at the base anymore.
I still don't get it.
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uhm... this is a very opinionated thread, to bad there is not going to be one answer that makes everyone happy...
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But your argument can be said in reverse too. If you are that intent on bombing a base, it only takes you five minutes getting to the next in most cases provided you are not planning on making like an astronaut.
Last night being a perfect example. The bomber guys went to the next base over and took it, while the fighter guys had a 4+ hour fight between 2 bases. Since the fighter guys are keeping the other fighter guys busy, why should the fighters have to move just so you can bomb the base where the fight is at?
no because unless your just into milkrunning and taking undefended bases its pointless to bomb bases where nobody is. Any dweeb can do that
Im not a bomber jock but it would seem to me that for those that are. the trill of the game is the same for the fighters. The fight only for the buff drivers its fighting your way through,getting to and being able to hit the target. then try to get home again..hmmmm just like they did in real life. Imagine that
Little more difficult and challenging to do at a base where fighting is going on then at a base where nothing is happening.
Its all part of the game. If you dont like it. well your the man in the fighter with the bullets. Shoot the bastage down..Hmm again just like they did in real life
Wow! Simulated WWII aerial combat.where bombers try to bomb important targets like bases and cities while fending off the fighters that try to stop them. And other fighters fly to fight those fighters and so on and so forth! What a brilliant concept!!
Someone should make a game like that.
BTW before you say "why should the fighters have to move just so you can bomb the base where the fight is at?" you better check my stats over the years as to what I fly and how often. While I do a bit of alot of different things.I furball more then anything and only occasionally up bombers. and when I do its rarely to bomb hangars.
But I understand why they do.
Cause thats where the fight is at. Maybe they want to fight
And why not move? once the hangars are respawned they are up in 15 min even after a base capture. Your flight time to fight remains the same. Only the scenery has changed
BTW odds are that 4+ hour fight started with a base attack. and probably ended with its inevitable conclusion a base capture.
Funny I rarely hear anyone in the MA complain when there side gets the upper hand and captures the base. And I hear it even less when someone comes in and takes down all the ack to turn the "vulch light" on. More often then not even when the FHs go down the base doesnt even get captured and the furball only barely slows down due to players staying alive long enough to keep it defended long enough for the FH's to re up.
sorry. the only fights that are "ruined" are for those that are extremely lazy
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Nope.
I'd say well over 90% are exactly that way
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I disagree entirely. The 4+ hour fight would have been shorter but we backed off and Dan told them to up. That is what makes a fight and KEEPs it going.
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Dred, the 4 + hour fight started because I went on 200 and said there were a bunch of 38s enroute from 12 - 15 looking for a fight. Some folks took us up on that including the AKs, some 68s, the Widowmakers and others.
The only bombers involved were B-38s and we had no bombs, just lots of parts to distribute.
Thankfully the guys that came along later respected our request not to bomb the hangers. It was a classy move on thier part and allowed for some great fights.
So in the end it was us who 'moved', started the fight, and kept it going along with the guys fighting us. There would be no justification at that point for a bomber guy to come along and flatten the hangers just because.
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Dan what was the second previous avatar from? Was an illustrated portrait of a pilot. Wearing a brown leather cap.
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Dred, the 4 + hour fight started because I went on 200 and said there were a bunch of 38s enroute from 12 - 15 looking for a fight. Some folks took us up on that including the AKs, some 68s, the Widowmakers and others.
The only bombers involved were B-38s and we had no bombs, just lots of parts to distribute.
Thankfully the guys that came along later respected our request not to bomb the hangers. It was a classy move on thier part and allowed for some great fights.
So in the end it was us who 'moved', started the fight, and kept it going along with the guys fighting us. There would be no justification at that point for a bomber guy to come along and flatten the hangers just because.
ok fine.I'll buy that. It does occasionally happen that way. My experiences is most of the time it doesnt.
Are we talking about one single incident or a common occurance?
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Dred, the 4 + hour fight started because I went on 200 and said there were a bunch of 38s enroute from 12 - 15 looking for a fight. Some folks took us up on that including the AKs, some 68s, the Widowmakers and others.
The only bombers involved were B-38s and we had no bombs, just lots of parts to distribute.
Thankfully the guys that came along later respected our request not to bomb the hangers. It was a classy move on thier part and allowed for some great fights.
So in the end it was us who 'moved', started the fight, and kept it going along with the guys fighting us. There would be no justification at that point for a bomber guy to come along and flatten the hangers just because.
I was one of those guys.....ask anyone who was there furballing when I came in. I left one of the hangers up....
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How's this?
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2631/3822450967_5eb0a25557_o.png)
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Dred, the 4 + hour fight started because I went on 200 and said there were a bunch of 38s enroute from 12 - 15 looking for a fight. Some folks took us up on that including the AKs, some 68s, the Widowmakers and others.
The only bombers involved were B-38s and we had no bombs, just lots of parts to distribute.
Thankfully the guys that came along later respected our request not to bomb the hangers. It was a classy move on thier part and allowed for some great fights.
So in the end it was us who 'moved', started the fight, and kept it going along with the guys fighting us. There would be no justification at that point for a bomber guy to come along and flatten the hangers just because.
well...admittedly...i was carrying drop tanks.
they make a groovy little "poof" when they hit the ground. :D
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How's this?
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2631/3822450967_5eb0a25557_o.png)
is that lynchmob? i respected that sqaud........
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I was one of those guys.....ask anyone who was there furballing when I came in. I left one of the hangers up....
I guess this thread may be working, you still should have fone maybe to the closet base where they could up and get alt from, dont post in my recruit furom, thats very immature and you know Pigs on the wing can take any base it sets its target on better and faster then most even your sqaud which "scorehogs" for base captures
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Dan what was the second previous avatar from? Was an illustrated portrait of a pilot. Wearing a brown leather cap.
It was from a painting in a book of a Short Stirling crew at their stations in the cockpit. It was a nice representation of an RAF flying helmet and I've always liked the image anyway so I went with it for a bit.
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I was one of those guys.....ask anyone who was there furballing when I came in. I left one of the hangers up....
If you were there you were on the other side,as I don't recall seeing you. The question begs to be asked however, is why did you need to drop any hangers at all under the circumstances?
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Acutally I requested for one hanger to be up xD
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It was from a painting in a book of a Short Stirling crew at their stations in the cockpit. It was a nice representation of an RAF flying helmet and I've always liked the image anyway so I went with it for a bit.
If I remember right it's from the Time Life Epic of Flight series, the volume on the RAF?
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Dropping FH's is fun, give up trying to get people to play to 'your' style.
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i think someone said it before.
simply back off, and let the fighters go get the buffs.
then the fight can resume. :D
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If you were there you were on the other side,as I don't recall seeing you. The question begs to be asked however, is why did you need to drop any hangers at all under the circumstances?
To give our guys the opportunity to take the base if they wanted to...only one hanger left to take down. Looks like it worked. The base was taken before "I landed" my Lancs.
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Dropping FH's is fun, give up trying to get people to play to 'your' style.
How is starting a fight elsewhere for the furballers, trying to make people play my style. All you said here is that you grief if you can. Classy move :rolleyes:
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To give our guys the opportunity to take the base if they wanted to...only one hanger left to take down. Looks like it worked. The base was taken before "I landed" my Lancs.
Then you are talking about a different fight not the one we started for the air combat
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What is air combat? air to ground, air to air, and ground to air. I personally found them all really fun in this game. My fav would be air to air, but a lot of time I enjoy flying my Hurricane 2D engaging tanks. Sometime I found, ground to air is acutally harder. Air to air kill is really easy, but air to ground on GVs are hard.
I wish the air to ground warfare in the game could be beef up to a larger degree. A lot of air combat in WWII, and now are air to ground. The IL-2 and Stuka scored a large amount of air to ground kills in WWII. I'd like more of that happen in this game, of course aside of more furballs.
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is that lynchmob? i respected that sqaud........
err think thats rook country channel. :uhoh
As far as taking hangers down. I thought knights loved to keep them up so they could vulch for hours on end.
And when they get sleepy and pull the thump out of their mouths. They'd finally take the base. :D
PS. Point made stop stoning dogfite, he doesnt know any better.
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Dogfite is a good friend, I wish he have a better comp so I can show him more of the air to air combat side. I tried, but w/ 6 frame per second. It won'thappen =)
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(http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj131/bayoubeach/images-1.jpg)
:rofl
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Dogfite is a good friend, I wish he have a better comp so I can show him more of the air to air combat side. I tried, but w/ 6 frame per second. It won'thappen =)
frame rate problems. been there was really good last night though. New patch I guess.
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xD he's a nub w/ computer. He only have 512 MB of ram. I been trying to advice him on how to upgrade his computer=/
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I got window 7 =), Just bough 4 more gigs of ram, so I'll have total of 8 gigs. I wanna be able to turn max graphic on this game and not have graphic lag issue !
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I got window 7 =), Just bough 4 more gigs of ram, so I'll have total of 8 gigs. I wanna be able to turn max graphic on this game and not have graphic lag issue !
:rofl Yeah got myself a new TV and CP . And now my headset and controller are crapin out. watermelon never ends. :cry
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Dropping FH's is fun, give up trying to get people to play to 'your' style.
Your an idiot and havnt read any of the 20+ pages other then the first 3..... err think thats rook country channel. :uhoh
As far as taking hangers down. I thought knights loved to keep them up so they could vulch for hours on end.
And when they get sleepy and pull the thump out of their mouths. They'd finally take the base. :D
PS. Point made stop stoning dogfite, he doesnt know any better.
Knights are just unorganized at tht point so they take forever when it comes to the end of a base capture. Im throwing stones in multiple directions the night this thread was made the first stone went at Dogfite and thats why everyone thinks its a problem with him, its more a problem with a certain group of players Fortress being THE worse
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well I saw fortress trying to fly a fighter last night ! :D I said trying.
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well I saw fortress trying to fly a fighter last night ! :D I said trying.
:rofl at least he learning, Dogfite has a reason he cant fly fighters in the new patch, I think he needs to try dumbing down the graphics since the most recent patch, I used to not be able to run default settings, now i can run it with no lag and steady FR of 60 :salute
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Your an idiot and havnt read any of the 20+ pages other then the first 3.....
Tell you what, you pay my $15 per month and then you can tell me how to play.
I've played long enough to learn the whines when it comes to dropping hangers, it stems from people wanting to vulch...boohoo.
Just a suggestion, but the dueling arena is pretty good if you just want a furball.
btw, it is spelled you're, not your. :aok
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I've played long enough to learn the whines when it comes to dropping hangers, it stems from people wanting to vulch...boohoo.
Off target.
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no reason to do it you tools, we dont want the perks from winning the war, we get them by killing your spit 16s and n1ks in 20+ eny birds. STOP THE TOOLSHEDDING!!!!! :furious
No you see it is so on target. Why doesn't HTC just make all the bases uncapturable and all the hangers indestructable?
Give me a break. Someone ruined his vulch and he's mad about it. Go play the DA if you don't want the map aspect of the game.
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Whether it messed up his "vulch" or not I don't know. I'm just looking for a little common courtesy. Corky posted about a nice little fight the SAPPers had against some AK's and such that lasted over 4 hours. If a fight is going on between a couple of bases and a bunch of players "ask" that the hangers be left up, or "not to go for the capture" that some people would have a little courtesy and leave the fight alone. If the guys who like taking bases want to take all the bases around the fight, thats fine, go for it. After the furball has died out and the numbers are gone, take the base that we asked you to leave alone. Everyone can still have their type of fun. Nobody is telling any one to play his way, just asking for some common courtesy.
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That is a nice sentiment in a sort of 'Kumbaya lets all get along' sort of way.
Practically speaking though, it is pie in the sky dreaming of how the 'perfect world of aces high' should exist. For example, lets for argument sake say a person does not want to interfere with others having fun, which is undoubtedly true for the majority of players.
How would one know that they are interfering with someone else? Do you ask on range for permission, on country channel? Would it be based on the 'majority' of players in the area saying yah or nay, or if one person says no, do you end your sortie? What about conflicting interest? Say a base is strategically located for the 'win the war' crowd, but that base is also where two squads are having fun going at it. Does the 'win the war' crowd sacrifice attacking a chosen base because some other group might not like it.
How about the guy that wants to drop a VH hangar, but inadvertently stops a gv battle at some other location? Should hangars just be made in-destructable so this problem could never exist? It's absurd, and there is a DA perfect to avoid this problem.
Hangars go down for 15 minutes, then they spawn right back up. IMO, it's best just to stop whining about how terrible things are.
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Everything but the last line.. Is why you can't make blanket statements (you could easily argue in the same vein the opposite - winning the war is absurd considering the "rewards"). Every situation and fight are different. It takes some experience to "know" what's probably right or probably wrong. Some stuff is obvious and other stuff less so. And the DA isn't the only place one ought to expect a good continuous fight. The game isn't about real estate, it's about air combat. The real estate is meant to spur on the air combat. It might be fun in itself the same way jeep races or historical immersion-oriented gameplay, but the meat of the game is always combat. Not what color a strat icon on the clipboard is.
Shutting down FHs because players are too busy having fun furballing to "contribute" to the war winning is wrong, and by your premise it's arguably "whining".
That is a nice sentiment in a sort of 'Kumbaya lets all get along' sort of way.
That's what fair play is. The same principle that distinguishes e.g. good kills from kill stealing.
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That is a nice sentiment in a sort of 'Kumbaya lets all get along' sort of way.
Practically speaking though, it is pie in the sky dreaming of how the 'perfect world of aces high' should exist. For example, lets for argument sake say a person does not want to interfere with others having fun, which is undoubtedly true for the majority of players.
How would one know that they are interfering with someone else? Do you ask on range for permission, on country channel? Would it be based on the 'majority' of players in the area saying yah or nay, or if one person says no, do you end your sortie? What about conflicting interest? Say a base is strategically located for the 'win the war' crowd, but that base is also where two squads are having fun going at it. Does the 'win the war' crowd sacrifice attacking a chosen base because some other group might not like it.
How about the guy that wants to drop a VH hanger, but inadvertently stops a gv battle at some other location? Should hangers just be made in-destructable so this problem could never exist? It's absurd, and their is a DA perfect to avoid this problem.
Hangers go down for 15 minutes, then they spawn right back up. IMO, it's best just to stop whining about how terrible things are.
Your taking it to the extremes. There is a middle ground to everything, and that is pretty much where "common courtesy" lies. It's easy enough to ask what needs to be hit as your lining up on a base. If the answer is "leave the FH up please" where's the problem with just moving on to the next base?
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Geez...15+ pages of
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Never ceases to amaze how less than 10% of the community population can make the most noise...stop your squeaking.
Simple matter of fact...you want to furball or dogfight between/over 2 bases, you're more than welcome to. If someone with a mission in their heads wants to come along and take one of those bases out from under you or tool sheds a base and it spoils your "fun time", too bad nobody cares about your perk points, poop happens. If you're that good, find another base to up from and grab a drop tank so you don't have to worry about fuel.
Talk about courtesy, in case some of the bigger squeakers here didn't notice there are more people trying to take bases in both late war MA's than there are furballers. Your furball is interfering with someones strategic plans, but they haven't come in here and started a whine thread about it.
Have one of these, it will might make you feel better about your 1337 pile-it skillz.
(http://www.sweetfactory.com/images/uploads/32065-TeenyRoundPop.jpg)
No disresect to Guppy and those who wing with him.
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I've played long enough to learn the whines when it comes to dropping hangers, it stems from people wanting to vulch...boohoo.
Just a suggestion, but the dueling arena is pretty good if you just want a furball.
btw, it is spelled you're, not your. :aok
By the way, it's hangar, not hanger. :aok
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By the way, it's hangar, not hanger. :aok
How about a visual aid?
Hanger...
(http://images.asia.ru/img/alibaba/photo/50471635/Wire_Hanger.jpg)
Hangar...
(http://www.sevenriversaviation.com/siteart/main_hangar.jpg)
This message has been a public service of POTW. :D
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How about a visual aid?
Hanger...
(http://images.asia.ru/img/alibaba/photo/50471635/Wire_Hanger.jpg)
Hangar...
(http://www.sevenriversaviation.com/siteart/main_hangar.jpg)
This message has been a public service of POTW. :D
lol
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By the way, it's hangar, not hanger. :aok
Lol, ok touche.
Doesn't change the price of tea though.
If people want to drop hangars, furball, vulch, spawncamp, seek perk points, or play for rank, toolshed, bomb factories, or win the war, WHATEVER, that is their business. Always seems to be some group that pops up to tell others they're "ruining" the game by doing something they don't approve of.... blablabla, it soooo banal.
This thread is a prime example, where the author presumes to know why others drop FH (perk points from winning the war), and tells them to stop because it is...well...bad.
Well, guess what, HTC seems fine with the arrangement because they haven't changed it to make hangars indestructible. So stop overthinking it guys, this 'asking others for permission' to drop hangars silly. Hangars go down for 15 minutes, big whoop.
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Lol, ok touche.
Doesn't change the price of tea though.
If people want to drop hangars, furball, vulch, spawncamp, seek perk points, or play for rank, toolshed, bomb factories, or win the war, WHATEVER, that is their business. Always seems to be some group that pops up to tell others they're "ruining" the game by doing something they don't approve of.... blablabla, it soooo banal.
This thread is a prime example, where the author presumes to know why others drop FH (perk points from winning the war), and tells them to stop because it is...well...bad.
Well, guess what, HTC seems fine with the arrangement because they haven't changed it to make hangars indestructible. So stop overthinking it guys, this 'asking others for permission' to drop hangars silly. Hangars go down for 15 minutes, big whoop.
It boils down to couresy towards the other players.
I agree that intent is diff. to establish.
I was fighting an nme last night and had been for a good 5min. They had a ton of alt/e on me and I had finally bled their E and had them saddled and was 1-2 moves from killing them.
A friendly started flying towards me and I head a squaddie tell them on range vox to please not interrupt my fight. The friendly kept coming. Another squaddie asked him to stay out and I chimed in on range to please stay out of the fight as I had things well in hand.
Said player ignored all the request, came barreling in and killed the guy I was fighing with moments before I would have killed them.
Now here is where intent comes into the picture. Did they kill the guy out of malice or ignorance? Was the friendlies intent to just steal the kill I had worked very hard on and ruin the fight or were they just too new/stupid to understand what was going on? Perhaps they felt they were "helping" me out.
This thread is like that. It is very hard to judge the intent of the bomber pilots who drop FH's. They COULD be just trying to grief all the players enjoying this wonderfull fight OR they could be trying to capture the base and out of ignorance thought they were helping.
One players 'great fight' is another players 'base capture'.
Intent is a tough one to judge.
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Lol, ok touche.
Doesn't change the price of tea though.
If people want to drop hangars, furball, vulch, spawncamp, seek perk points, or play for rank, toolshed, bomb factories, or win the war, WHATEVER, that is their business. Always seems to be some group that pops up to tell others they're "ruining" the game by doing something they don't approve of.... blablabla, it soooo banal.
This thread is a prime example, where the author presumes to know why others drop FH (perk points from winning the war), and tells them to stop because it is...well...bad.
Well, guess what, HTC seems fine with the arrangement because they haven't changed it to make hangars indestructible. So stop overthinking it guys, this 'asking others for permission' to drop hangars silly. Hangars go down for 15 minutes, big whoop.
Well I don't presume to tell others how they should play.....except maybe for those Ho'ers, but there are instances where buff pilots will kill Fh's in order to end a furball in order to "stop people from scorewhoring". I've also heard "free up resources". In both instances, buff sticks are trying to determine how other's play. The buff side is just as guilty in trying to dictate game play.
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I have to agree with Lutes on this one...
Intent is dang near impossible to determine.
That said, I doubt that 98% of the population are dropping hangars of some sort with the intent to ruin someone's day (except the enemies).
They have an agenda, and it's probably as innocent as anyone's.
In Lutes example with the fighter ignoring the warnings, he probably wasn't intent on ruining Lutes fight, but more likely interested in scoring the kill himself.
That might be greedy, inconsiderate, and he should probably be taken out back and beaten with a rubber hose...
But he probably wasn't intending to ruin the fight (even if it was a jack-hole move). That was just a byproduct.
Unfortunately that can happen with bombers/dogfighters. Bombers want to help the cause, drop the hangars, which in turn might wreck some really good dogfighting. Bottom line though, they probably aren't trying to wreck someone's fun. Besides, as was mentioned, they have just as much right to drop bombs wherever they like, just as you can start a dogfight anywhere. That's the advantage that HTC has set up. The maps have multiple points of contact and there's always another place to start a fight, and those hangars will be back up in 15mins anyway.
On a final note, lots of times if a base is under attack, to take pressure off a squad launches bombers to drop the hangars to give the base under attack a chance to regroup and catch it's breath. How is a bomber pilot to know what the enemy intend to do. Those fighter pilots might think it's just a furball, but someone else might interpret that furball as an attack on a friendly base (which it usually is). As a defensive tactic they wipe out the hangars.
I guess my point is, if at all possible, announce your intentions. Try and help the team out, and don't wrag on the bomber pilots. They are few and far between, especially when you need them johnny on the spot. To say they're ruining your fun, because you were just interested in a fight, isn't fair. The main arenas are all out war. If it's just a fight you're looking for, then the dueling arena is always packed in the donut of death and you can almost guarantee that the hangars will always be up there.
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Sometimes it's just plain fun :rock Besides, with several hundred hangars on a map.....there's always another poppin' somewhere ;)
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Well I don't presume to tell others how they should play.....except maybe for those Ho'ers, but there are instances where buff pilots will kill Fh's in order to end a furball in order to "stop people from scorewhoring". I've also heard "free up resources". In both instances, buff sticks are trying to determine how other's play. The buff side is just as guilty in trying to dictate game play.
But aren't furballers guilty of trying to "dictate" game play also? Some folks just aren't good in fighters and need some way to fight. I prefer to furball also but shutting a field down can determine whether a field is won or lost. And I'd rather take a field then lose one. :salute
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Lol Dredger...HOW many times has your group begun the task of 'winning the war' on Ndisles by starting with taking TT? Ok...4 bases down, 10-15 to go.... What tactical sense does it make (if we're talking 'win the war' here) to make a probe into the DEAD CENTER of the enemy lines? (Battle of the Somme comes to mind---310,000 dead soldiers) What invariably happens is 75_+ people have been rudely relieved of their evening's fun, and you never win the frikkin map ANYway--The logical assumption is your bigger task is to stop those idiots from having mindless fun, and to get them back on the 'proper' task, which you continually deny
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I think BJ is something of a stalker, he continually brings up my name on these posts. I haven't even played in 2 months yet to hear him rant I'm the bane of his existence. (Did I ruin your fun? :cry)
Besides which, this thread is about whether or not FH's should be dropped, not the capture of tank town dude. :lol
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But aren't furballers guilty of trying to "dictate" game play also? Some folks just aren't good in fighters and need some way to fight. I prefer to furball also but shutting a field down can determine whether a field is won or lost. And I'd rather take a field then lose one. :salute
So if the 'furballers' get a fight started on what was a dead part of the map, with the intent of air combat, and both sides are enjoying that air combat, would it not be common courtesy of someone who sees that fight, to at least ask before flattening the hangars?
If the notion is anything goes, then I guess that means I can announce on 200 that bombers from my side are inbound so that other guys can shoot them before the hangers die?
Seems like there is plenty of room for both types of gameplay to go one without one wrecking it for the other.
Funny part is I don't see folks telling the other side that bombers are enroute, yet I do see bomber guys deliberately killing the furball on many occasion by killing the hangers.
As mentioned from the other night, we set up the furball away from the everyone else and both sides were enjoyingi it. Thankfully the bomber guys on the side I was on, respected our request to not kill the field and moved elsewhere.
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I was fighting an nme last night and had been for a good 5min. They had a ton of alt/e on me and I had finally bled their E and had them saddled and was 1-2 moves from killing them.
A friendly started flying towards me and I head a squaddie tell them on range vox to please not interrupt my fight. The friendly kept coming. Another squaddie asked him to stay out and I chimed in on range to please stay out of the fight as I had things well in hand.
Said player ignored all the request, came barreling in and killed the guy I was fighing with moments before I would have killed them.
That was just an a-hole...and a rubber hose behind the shed would be too nice.
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But aren't furballers guilty of trying to "dictate" game play also?
How are all furballers guilty of this?
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It boils down to couresy towards the other players.
I agree that intent is diff. to establish.
I was fighting an nme last night and had been for a good 5min. They had a ton of alt/e on me and I had finally bled their E and had them saddled and was 1-2 moves from killing them.
A friendly started flying towards me and I head a squaddie tell them on range vox to please not interrupt my fight. The friendly kept coming. Another squaddie asked him to stay out and I chimed in on range to please stay out of the fight as I had things well in hand.
Said player ignored all the request, came barreling in and killed the guy I was fighing with moments before I would have killed them.
Now here is where intent comes into the picture. Did they kill the guy out of malice or ignorance? Was the friendlies intent to just steal the kill I had worked very hard on and ruin the fight or were they just too new/stupid to understand what was going on? Perhaps they felt they were "helping" me out.
This thread is like that. It is very hard to judge the intent of the bomber pilots who drop FH's. They COULD be just trying to grief all the players enjoying this wonderfull fight OR they could be trying to capture the base and out of ignorance thought they were helping.
One players 'great fight' is another players 'base capture'.
Intent is a tough one to judge.
i know this isn't the topic here.......but the above scenario you mentioned.........THAT is why i wish they'd turn killshooter off. i've had squaddies in the past, shooting right over my shoulder, trying to take down the guy i've been working on for awhile.
i've had guys come in when i asked em to stay out.......when this happens, i exit the fight, and let the dude i was fighting kill em........but it sooooo incredibly fun to frag the dude tryin to steal my kill,,,,,,or tryin to help me when i don;t want it, thus ruining a perfectly fun fight.
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The point i'm trying to make is furballing in itself is a type of game play, just as base taking or war winning is.
Who's in my fight dictates the rules for me. If the Muppets or Sapp were over my field I'll know what this fight is all about. I don't have to go kill troops, ord, or VH because losing my airfield would be the least of my worries :lol
Just as if I were fighting the Jokers or Rolling Thunder, I'd have to go drop some ord on their troops and ord or my field would be theirs shortly.
I really don't think people set out to ruin a fight by taking out the FHs unless they want to take the base.
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I think BJ is something of a stalker, he continually brings up my name on these posts. I haven't even played in 2 months yet to hear him rant I'm the bane of his existence. (Did I ruin your fun? :cry)
Besides which, this thread is about whether or not FH's should be dropped, not the capture of tank town dude. :lol
Nice 'non-answer', worthy of a white house spokesman--(btw, this topic morphed into griefers vs furballers many..many pages ago ;)
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The point i'm trying to make is furballing in itself is a type of game play, just as base taking or war winning is.
Furballing doesn't dictate gameplay to others.
I really don't think people set out to ruin a fight by taking out the FHs unless they want to take the base.
You obviously haven't been following this thread or at least the information herein hasn't sunk in. I will not discuss it further with you until you are informed.
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Wow.
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Never ceases to amaze how less than 10% of the community population can make the most noise...stop your squeaking.
Simple matter of fact...you want to furball or dogfight between/over 2 bases, you're more than welcome to. If someone with a mission in their heads wants to come along and take one of those bases out from under you or tool sheds a base and it spoils your "fun time", too bad nobody cares about your perk points, poop happens. If you're that good, find another base to up from and grab a drop tank so you don't have to worry about fuel.
Talk about courtesy, in case some of the bigger squeakers here didn't notice there are more people trying to take bases in both late war MA's than there are furballers. Your furball is interfering with someones strategic plans, but they haven't come in here and started a whine thread about it.
No disresect to Guppy and those who wing with him.
Most people in a furball couldn't care less about score/perks/win the war. They just want to have fights/fun <---- these mean the same thing to a furballer. Does it bother you so much that there are 30-60 people having fun while your "working" on taking another base?
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Most people in a furball couldn't care less about score/perks/win the war. They just want to have fights/fun <---- these mean the same thing to a furballer. Does it bother you so much that there are 30-60 people having fun while your "working" on taking another base?
It does because they're selfish.
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Most people in a furball couldn't care less about score/perks/win the war. They just want to have fights/fun <---- these mean the same thing to a furballer. Does it bother you so much that there are 30-60 people having fun while your "working" on taking another base?
i think it does.
the armchair cartoon generals, think that because they "took command" of a mishun, that makes them the leader of their chesspiece army air force.
hence, since they're now appointed themselves as the cartoon general of rookland/knightland/bishland, all of the chesspiece army air force must follow their orders, or be publicaly ridiculed, and whipped repeatedly with a wet linguini noodle.
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Well I'm new to Aces High and everyone will probably love my answer :furious. In an operation order there is what is known as commanders intent. That might be a simple as destroying fuel and munitions at an airfield to ground the fighter opposition. Now if you can't hit all the fuel and ammo points you can not fulfill the commanders intent. Now If I bomb the 2 fighter hangers it accomplishes the commanders intent because it neutralizes the fighter opposition in the area. Different target same results.
As stated in an earlier entry i can not say how many times I have been inbound to a target and can not get anyone to answer my request for information. If I can not get the needed information then I am going to hit what I perceive as a primary target. Yes fighter hangers.
Just remember these arenas encompass all AH members young, old, gamers and Sim addicts. Everyone pays the same to partake. If you don't like it go to special events, another area on the map or just leave because I don't want to hear your self centered dribble. See you in the friendly skies and have a nice day.
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Well I'm new to Aces High and everyone will probably love my answer :furious. In an operation order there is what is known as commanders intent. That might be a simple as destroying fuel and munitions at an airfield to ground the fighter opposition. Now if you can't hit all the fuel and ammo points you can not fulfill the commanders intent. Now If I bomb the 2 fighter hangers it accomplishes the commanders intent because it neutralizes the fighter opposition in the area. Different target same results.
As stated in an earlier entry i can not say how many times I have been inbound to a target and can not get anyone to answer my request for information. If I can not get the needed information then I am going to hit what I perceive as a primary target. Yes fighter hangers.
Just remember these arenas encompass all AH members young, old, gamers and Sim addicts. Everyone pays the same to partake. If you don't like it go to special events, another area on the map or just leave because I don't want to hear your self centered dribble. See you in the friendly skies and have a nice day.
.....and if the "commanders intend" is to have fun furballing?
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Sorry, didn't get the memo... we have a commander now? Who is it? :huh
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Sorry, didn't get the memo... we have a commander now? Who is it? :huh
I figured we could use his :D
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Remember your not the only ones paying and playing Aces High. Like war it is unpredictable. So Lead, follow or get the hell out of the way.
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Remember your not the only ones paying and playing Aces High. Like war it is unpredictable. So Lead, follow or get the hell out of the way.
ahhhh be see, this ISN'T like war, its a game were people come together and have fun..... or at least try to.
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Remember your not the only ones paying and playing Aces High. Like war it is unpredictable. So Lead, follow or get the hell out of the way.
it's not a war, but rather a sim/game.
if you REALLY feel the need to drop hangars, or ords, or whatever, you have over 30 bases to choose from./
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Remember your not the only ones paying and playing Aces High. Like war it is unpredictable. So Lead, follow or get the hell out of the way.
So anything goes. I can announce your bombers are coming to the other side then? Talk about a selfish approach to the game.
And this isn't war. The second we start really dying, you can use that argument. Until then it won't work.
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The second we start really dying, you can use that argument.
Interesting point. In real life the pilots dreaded flying and died in droves. I saw an interview where an old WW2 pilot said flying was analogous to riding the bumper cars at the county fair; Rickety, cheap and unpredictable, but adding 500 gallons of gasoline into the mix. I doubt there was ever a discussion of 'you stolt my kill' and now it won't say I landed 2 kills!
UPTOWN has it correct above. There isn't some conspiricy out there to ruin other's fun. My guess is bomber or fighter guys just drop FH to see them go KABLOOOWEEE!!!
Quit your whining, you know who you are.
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Interesting point. In real life the pilots dreaded flying and died in droves. I saw an interview where an old WW2 pilot said flying was analogous to riding the bumper cars at the county fair; Rickety, cheap and unpredictable, but adding 500 gallons of gasoline into the mix. I doubt there was ever a discussion of 'you stolt my kill' and now it won't say I landed 2 kills!
UPTOWN has it correct above. There isn't some conspiricy out there to ruin other's fun. My guess is bomber or fighter guys just drop FH to see them go KABLOOOWEEE!!!
Quit your whining, you know who you are.
Suggest you do a bit of reading on fighter pilots and possibly try and talk to a few. You might understand the mentality better.
And if you are serious in your suggestion that people drop FHs just to see them go boom, then you clearly don't get it, but also have found a reason to justify your sefishness within the game.
You'll wreck if you can, regardless of the impact it might have on numerous other players because it's your dime
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I've called many of these types "selfish" for a couple years now. I'm glad others are starting to see it as well.
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I've called many of these types "selfish" for a couple years now. I'm glad others are starting to see it as well.
The beauty of an online flight sim is we get to actually compete against real people. I'd much rather let folks know I'm coming so that they're ready on the other side too. The best competition is the even fight.
There is no war to win, because it only starts over. I understand folks like to hit the feeder bar and get their treat the easiest and fastest way possible. And I know that no matter what, there will always be people who try and cover their real life insecurities by being the biggest cyber tough guy and bully in the cartoon world.
But this isn't real life, no one is dying, the future of the world is not at stake. Getting a chance to compete against other folks in our cartoon airplanes is why many of us play. Having someone deliberately try and wreck that 'because they can' is nothing but selfish.
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Interesting point. In real life the pilots dreaded flying and died in droves. I saw an interview where an old WW2 pilot said flying was analogous to riding the bumper cars at the county fair; Rickety, cheap and unpredictable, but adding 500 gallons of gasoline into the mix. I doubt there was ever a discussion of 'you stolt my kill' and now it won't say I landed 2 kills!
UPTOWN has it correct above. There isn't some conspiricy out there to ruin other's fun. My guess is bomber or fighter guys just drop FH to see them go KABLOOOWEEE!!!
Quit your whining, you know who you are.
funny you say that.
i know/knew a few pilots.
our r/c club has/had a few.
2 years ago, we lost joe cardimone. he was a top turret gunner/engineer on a b17
last year we lost bob emme. he flew p51's, and i think p47's. he also got to test fly most of the german aircraft after the war.
we still have tom perkins. he flew p51's.
we still have dick barton. he flew phantoms in viet nam.
not a single one of these heros EVER said they feared flying. not a one. in fact, dick has a super decathalon........which he actually flies. he uses it the way an aerobatic plane like it should be flown........but he does so high enough to be safe too.
they all loved their aircraft. one of them to the point, that when he had to give her up, he actually cried. somehow i don;t think that came from fear or hate.
i love these guys....and miss the ones we've lost. i have one of bob's models(it's an extra 300) hanging in my office in his memory.
as for cheap and rickety?
from every warbird i've ever seen, i call bs on that too.
those aircraft(both allied, and axis) were marvels of engineering. they did what was needed, and they did it well.
did you ever look at the hydrualic system or the electrical system on a b17? or a p51? or a spitfire? they're beautiful.
then there's the engines. the pratt and whitney radials ran forever. so did the allisons, and rolls royce merlins.
then there's the damiler benze engines that the germans used.
we all know there's no conspiracy. the problem is when someone decides that the hangars where the big fight is need to be dropped. even when asked not to.
if you were asked to not touch a base, and had a choice of 20 others, why would you feel the need to bother the one you were asked not to?
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the future of the world is not at stake.
That's where your wrong. Doom's Day (Server Crash) occurred one time 5 seconds after I refused to take down a hangar in my Spit 9. :noid
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There is no war to win, because it only starts over. I understand folks like to hit the feeder bar and get their treat the easiest and fastest way possible. And I know that no matter what, there will always be people who try and cover their real life insecurities by being the biggest cyber tough guy and bully in the cartoon world.
But this isn't real life, no one is dying, the future of the world is not at stake. Getting a chance to compete against other folks in our cartoon airplanes is why many of us play. Having someone deliberately try and wreck that 'because they can' is nothing but selfish.
I wonder why this thread has made it to page 27?
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Well I'm new to Aces High and everyone will probably love my answer :furious. In an operation order there is what is known as commanders intent. That might be a simple as destroying fuel and munitions at an airfield to ground the fighter opposition. Now if you can't hit all the fuel and ammo points you can not fulfill the commanders intent. Now If I bomb the 2 fighter hangers it accomplishes the commanders intent because it neutralizes the fighter opposition in the area. Different target same results.
You dont know what your talking about....destroying fuel and ords dont ground fighters :huh.... what type of airfield has 2 fighter hangers? :huh
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The beauty of an online flight sim is we get to actually compete against real people. I'd much rather let folks know I'm coming so that they're ready on the other side too. The best competition is the even fight.
There is no war to win, because it only starts over. I understand folks like to hit the feeder bar and get their treat the easiest and fastest way possible. And I know that no matter what, there will always be people who try and cover their real life insecurities by being the biggest cyber tough guy and bully in the cartoon world.
But this isn't real life, no one is dying, the future of the world is not at stake. Getting a chance to compete against other folks in our cartoon airplanes is why many of us play. Having someone deliberately try and wreck that 'because they can' is nothing but selfish.
Alright, that's it!! Court Martial!!
Signed,
Supreme Strategic Commander
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Alright, that's it!! Court Martial!!
Signed,
Supreme Strategic Commander
Co Signed,
Supreme Strategic Commander Fanboi #1
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Most people in a furball couldn't care less about score/perks/win the war. They just want to have fights/fun <---- these mean the same thing to a furballer. Does it bother you so much that there are 30-60 people having fun while your "working" on taking another base?
I don't take bases...I'll drop bombs on them once in a while, especially if someone wants bombs dropped on them...I'll even get into a furball...doesn't matter to me...it doesn't matter to most of the players and you won't find me and most of the "mature" players in these forums squeaking about some total b.s. nonsense of how a group of people "spoiled my fun".
If someone wants to treat the game as a "sim" instead of "toon fighter" they can...to them it's a war (without the risks)...it's not up to you or any other 1337 uber pile-it to tell them they're wrong. Play your game, fight your fight and let the others play theirs.
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Alright, that's it!! Court Martial!!
Signed,
Supreme Strategic Commander
Co Signed,
Supreme Strategic Commander Fanboi #1
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Soldier, that's just the kind of commitment this War is in Need of! I hereby reward you with the Very Honorable Distinguished Medal of Strategic Endowment, 1st class!
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Wear it with pride!!
Signed,
Supreme Strategic Commander
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Maybe part of the reason town bombing is ignored is because that payoff is not so visual? Have always wondered why the town doesn’t burn and smoke like hell when it is bombed? Instead it just leaves skeletal buildings that can only be admired up close and personal. Maybe if the town burned like a fuel depot those buffin pyro-maniacs would get more pleasure in bombing the hell outa the towns?
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I don't take bases...I'll drop bombs on them once in a while, especially if someone wants bombs dropped on them...I'll even get into a furball...doesn't matter to me...it doesn't matter to most of the players and you won't find me and most of the "mature" players in these forums squeaking about some total b.s. nonsense of how a group of people "spoiled my fun".
If someone wants to treat the game as a "sim" instead of "toon fighter" they can...to them it's a war (without the risks)...it's not up to you or any other 1337 uber pile-it to tell them they're wrong. Play your game, fight your fight and let the others play theirs.
No one is arguing that point Gyrene. What is being discussed is those who deliberatly grief a fight just because they can. All the furball guys are doing is trying to play their game. They're not out hunting bombers or calling out inbound raids to the other side to stop the bomber guys from having their fun. The map is big enough for both games to exist.
No one is claiming to be an uber pilot. Where that comes from I have no idea. I won't interfere with the war winners. All I ask is that they don't interfere with me. It is possible to make this happen.
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Interesting point. In real life the pilots dreaded flying and died in droves. I saw an interview where an old WW2 pilot said flying was analogous to riding the bumper cars at the county fair; Rickety, cheap and unpredictable, but adding 500 gallons of gasoline into the mix. I doubt there was ever a discussion of 'you stolt my kill' and now it won't say I landed 2 kills!
I know there were many German pilots who very much enjoyed running up their scores, and did not 'dread' flying. Many had to be forced out of action by the higher-ups in the Luftwaffe because they didn't want to stop. Hartmann actually had to get the help of some of his fellow pilots, as they were going to ground him after his 301st kill (they didn't want to lose a national hero), but he wanted to continue flying... This is after he was shot down several times, and even captured. He also turned down being transferred to JV44 to fly the Me 262, he wanted to stay with JG52... although this ended up with him getting captured by the Soviets and being falsely imprisoned for 10 years.
I doubt there was ever a discussion of 'you stolt my kill' and now it won't say I landed 2 kills!
Actually, I can think of at least one specific instance of where this actually happened, more or less.
The generalizations you're making based on a single airman's experience are... pretty far reaching and inaccurate.
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Wow, this has been one heck of a thread. This thread should die now. Oh, and Mister Supreme Ultimate Uber Kommander Heir Moot, can I have an award, too? :salute
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Soldier, that's just the kind of commitment this War is in Need of! I hereby reward you with the Very Honorable Distinguished Medal of Strategic Endowment, 1st class!
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Wear it with pride!!
Signed,
Supreme Strategic Commander
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LMAO M00t!!! I just spit soda all over the screen and keyboard :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :aok
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Wow, this has been one heck of a thread. This thread should die now. Oh, and Mister Supreme Ultimate Uber Kommander Heir Moot, can I have an award, too? :salute
i can put pics of my infected toe up. it killed another thread........ :noid
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I know there were many German pilots who very much enjoyed running up their scores, and did not 'dread' flying. Many had to be forced out of action by the higher-ups in the Luftwaffe because they didn't want to stop. Hartmann actually had to get the help of some of his fellow pilots, as they were going to ground him after his 301st kill (they didn't want to lose a national hero), but he wanted to continue flying... This is after he was shot down several times, and even captured. He also turned down being transferred to JV44 to fly the Me 262, he wanted to stay with JG52... although this ended up with him getting captured by the Soviets and being falsely imprisoned for 10 years.
Actually, I can think of at least one specific instance of where this actually happened, more or less.
The generalizations you're making based on a single airman's experience are... pretty far reaching and inaccurate.
I was thinking of the Kidd Hofer escapade mentioned in 1000 Destroyed where he was shooting at someone, another Mustang came in, he told them to break and he finished shooting down the German bird he was shooting at.
Don Blakeslee, considered one of the two best fighter commanders of the USAAF in the ETO considered air combat 'grand sport.' Fighter pilots were a very competitive bunch.
I was talking to a 474th FG P38 pilot a few months ago and he said he dreamed about air combat and what he'd do when he got into it. He looked forward to it and hoped for the day he could go one on one in a dogfight. He'd worked out exactly how it would go in his head. He spent his time flying ground attack
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woooooo 30 pages? possible, I caant try to argue anymore because for some reason the other side says the same thing over and over even when we say something, the otherside also seems to have an average of about 22 posts here on the bbs :noid
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woooooo 30 pages? possible, I caant try to argue anymore because for some reason the other side says the same thing over and over even when we say something, the otherside also seems to have an average of about 22 posts here on the bbs :noid
I think what happened is the intent of the original post got completely lost with a bunch of straw-man arguments about the merits of the different types of game play.
Unless I am mistaken, your OP was about Toolshedding in it's purest form, and doing it to intentionally spoil a furball.
Somehow it has mutated....... :noid
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I think what happened is the intent of the original post got completely lost with a bunch of straw-man arguments about the merits of the different types of game play.
Unless I am mistaken, your OP was about Toolshedding in it's purest form, and doing it to intentionally spoil a furball.
Somehow it has mutated....... :noid
right i know, well im thinking about buying a Rubicon with my second half of my bonus O|||||O :rock
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right i know, well im thinking about buying a Rubicon with my second half of my bonus O|||||O :rock
Not enough grille slots. :furious
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right i know, well im thinking about buying a Rubicon with my second half of my bonus O|||||O :rock
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I personally don't care for the electric lockers on the Rubicons. They are a bugger in my opinion.
I've got a '06' Sport, which pretty much has the same rear(s) and options as the Rubicon, but without the lockers. If I need them, I'll put manual ones on.
Mine (2006) is also the last year for the in-line 6-cyl :cry
EDIT:
I also don't have the 31" tires (only 30" for now, waiting for them to wear out before a lift and new shoes), I have 15" wheels (not 16") and I don't have any stock rock rails (oh noes!!!)
If I wanted better fuel economy, I'd have bought a Honda. :noid
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OMG I am laughin so hard..... 28 pages and counting on this thread... :rofl :rofl
This all boils down to the fundamental concept of "You are not playing the game the way I want you to so you are a <insert rude comment/name here>". It just dont matter what you do in here, its a game and we all pay the same fee to be here. HTC built a place for everybody to do whatever they like to do in here. If you in the DA dont get ticked cause there aint no Task Groups to hit. If you in one of the "free for all" Main Arenas dont get ticked cause your Furball get popped. You want 7/24 uninterrupted Furball action.. go to the DA, plenty of room for 500 vs 500 Furball in there and nobody gona bomb your FH. You want 7/24 Strategic/Tactical Air Combat stay the heck outa the DA's and hang in one of the many Main Arena's where you can Ground Attack, Strat Bomb, Tank vs Tank, Base Capture, Fleet Action till your eyes bleed and your spleen falls out.
Like I taught each of my children as they grew up. "if you put your hand on the hot stove burner and you get burned, the first time I give you a hug, put some ice on your hand and feel your pain with you. The second time I scold you for not figuring out the stove is hot and you get burned by putting your hand on it"
Oh I really loved that screeny of the "Fun Police" .. should put your Face right in the pilot seat bro casue that is what this post is all about. Whaa Whaa Whaa......... You aint playing the game that way I want you to.. Whaa Whaa Whaa :cry :cry :cry
Just my thoughts on the subject since it appears that everybody else that ever played this game has posted on it. LMFAO :rofl :rofl
Later,
KayBay :cool:
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Just my 2 cent.
This is an WWII flight sim, there is enemies and friendlys.
When in a bomber, my main goal is to ruin the war for the enemy, at what ever way that is possible for me. (I expect the enemy to do the same)
If nearby a big furball, I WILL do my best to take down all hangars possible, this way my side will gain some advantage.
Is this wrong?
I think not.
After all, it is war :devil
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Just my 2 cent.
This is an WWII flight sim, there is enemies and friendlys.
When in a bomber, my main goal is to ruin the war for the enemy, at what ever way that is possible for me. (I expect the enemy to do the same)
If nearby a big furball, I WILL do my best to take down all hangars possible, this way my side will gain some advantage.
Is this wrong?
I think not.
After all, it is war :devil
but......
what if the furball isn't happening due to an attempted base capture?
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This all boils down to the fundamental concept of "You are not playing the game the way I want you to so you are a <insert rude comment/name here>".
Whaa Whaa Whaa......... You aint playing the game that way I want you to.. Whaa Whaa Whaa :cry :cry :cry
Absolutely spot on.
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Oh I really loved that screeny of the "Fun Police" .. should put your Face right in the pilot seat bro casue that is what this post is all about. Whaa Whaa Whaa......... You aint playing the game that way I want you to.. Whaa Whaa Whaa :cry :cry :cry
No that doesn't actually represent what is being asked at all. There is plenty of room for people to play the game and work towards the objectives that they find fun and enjoyable. No where has anyone said that you can't take a field, just please don't do it in a way that ruins the gameplay for others. Seems like a pretty simple request that shouldn't be that hard to accept. If some furballers are enjoying a fight take a field somewhere else, it's really not that hard. In fact it happened just last week, there was a nice fight, the bomber pilots asked what was going on and we asked to not take down the hangars and they didn't. They took the next base over, the fight continued and everyone had a good time that night in AH land. It really can be that simple.
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It is absolutely amazing the amount of people that have absolutely no clue as to what the real point of the thread is all about ... even after reading all the posts that explain it over and over again.
Ya just can't fix stupid.
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Absolutely spot on.
A furball away from everything else, can't be allowed... because it imposes on the players not participating in the furball, flying anywhere else on the huge maps, that they play the way those furballers want?
What exactly is the aim of shutting down that furball, other than get those furballers to play the way the ground pounder wants? Other than to spoil the mutual agreement between the two sides furballing?
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It is absolutely amazing the amount of people that have absolutely no clue as to what the real point of the thread is all about ... even after reading all the posts that explain it over and over again.
Ya just can't fix stupid.
Yeah, I've given up. No matter how many times its been spelled out in the most simple terms, some either just don't have the intelligence or the desire to get it.
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It is absolutely amazing the amount of people that have absolutely no clue as to what the real point of the thread is all about ... even after reading all the posts that explain it over and over again.
Ya just can't fix stupid.
No kidding. :aok
I weep for the future...
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...the amount of people that have absolutely no clue as to what the real point of the thread is all about ...
One can only surmise what you or others may think the 'real' point of the thread is all about. If the author of the thread was interested in imparting some special meaning he could have been much more descriptive.
Here is the original post:
no reason to do it you tools, we dont want the perks from winning the war, we get them by killing your spit 16s and n1ks in 20+ eny birds. STOP THE TOOLSHEDDING!!!!! :furious
That's it. No special circumstances, caveats, descriptions or otherwise. He simply disparages those who for any reason would drop a hangar and presumes to tell others how to play.
Frankly I'm not sure how anyone sees anything deeper than that, the post isn't even that well written.
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OMG I am laughin so hard..... 28 pages and counting on this thread... :rofl :rofl
This all boils down to the fundamental concept of "You are not playing the game the way I want you to so you are a <insert rude comment/name here>". It just dont matter what you do in here, its a game and we all pay the same fee to be here. HTC built a place for everybody to do whatever they like to do in here. If you in the DA dont get ticked cause there aint no Task Groups to hit. If you in one of the "free for all" Main Arenas dont get ticked cause your Furball get popped. You want 7/24 uninterrupted Furball action.. go to the DA, plenty of room for 500 vs 500 Furball in there and nobody gona bomb your FH. You want 7/24 Strategic/Tactical Air Combat stay the heck outa the DA's and hang in one of the many Main Arena's where you can Ground Attack, Strat Bomb, Tank vs Tank, Base Capture, Fleet Action till your eyes bleed and your spleen falls out.
Like I taught each of my children as they grew up. "if you put your hand on the hot stove burner and you get burned, the first time I give you a hug, put some ice on your hand and feel your pain with you. The second time I scold you for not figuring out the stove is hot and you get burned by putting your hand on it"
Oh I really loved that screeny of the "Fun Police" .. should put your Face right in the pilot seat bro casue that is what this post is all about. Whaa Whaa Whaa......... You aint playing the game that way I want you to.. Whaa Whaa Whaa :cry :cry :cry
Just my thoughts on the subject since it appears that everybody else that ever played this game has posted on it. LMFAO :rofl :rofl
Later,
KayBay :cool:
You don't read much do you.
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Frankly I'm not sure how anyone sees anything deeper than that.
Obviously not.
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Obviously not.
slapshot was right, you just can't fix stupid
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You know there is a diference form the op and the entire thread, right?
How about you sum up what you think this thread is about. Can you do it for us? I'll go first.
Here is my take...
Don't claim on country channel that you are tired of furballers, and that you are going to kill FH's at the base they are furballing at only because you want them to quit furballing and start taking bases.
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If I ever have the patient to fly a bomber and learn how to drop bombs, I'd totally drop every FH I see! granted if I don't dump my bombs to get into a fight before I get to my target xD
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Just my 2 cent.
This is an WWII flight sim, there is enemies and friendlys.
When in a bomber, my main goal is to ruin the war for the enemy, at what ever way that is possible for me. (I expect the enemy to do the same)
If nearby a big furball, I WILL do my best to take down all hangars possible, this way my side will gain some advantage.
Is this wrong?
I think not.
After all, it is war :devil
Dude...for 2 cents you could prolly get a wooden eye and a cheap skin graft for that avatar
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I personally don't care for the electric lockers on the Rubicons. They are a bugger in my opinion.
I've got a '06' Sport, which pretty much has the same rear(s) and options as the Rubicon, but without the lockers. If I need them, I'll put manual ones on.
Mine (2006) is also the last year for the in-line 6-cyl :cry
What electric locks on a jeep? I have a 2003 Rubicon first edition. Yeah, I think my rims at 17inch and yes I have to rotate the tires every
year. But I feel so sexy with the top down! :rock
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One can only surmise what you or others may think the 'real' point of the thread is all about. If the author of the thread was interested in imparting some special meaning he could have been much more descriptive.
That I agree with ... but I was able to understand exactly what he was inferring in the first post ... which was later described in detail by other posters as to what the real point of the thread was all about ... yet despite the repeated post describing what the exact problem was/is ... others still post their thoughts without really understanding what the problem was/is.
Anyone who has tried to shed further light on the problem have said that those who want to bomb can bomb 'til their eyes bleed, but please don't bomb the fighter hangers between 2 fields that are feeding a furball when there is absolutely no immanent danger of a field capture by either of the teams that are fighting in the furball ... wow ... that's a real hard concept to absorb and honor. Like there aren't enough other fields to capture ?
Dropping FHs for the sole purpose of stopping a furball because those "resources" could be used to support the "taking of bases" for the sole purpose of "winning the war" ... deemed by the person who dropped the FHs ... is nothing more than GRIEFING and inconsiderate. There is absolutely no defense for griefers.
Spoiling the "fight" because one is pissed off that those who are in the "fight", won't play the way they think that they should be playing, is flat out wrong.
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Everyone country has the opportunity to read 200. If someone is saying that they are going to drop FH at base x then they should up to intercept. It's like speeding on the highway. You see signs for camera speed enforcement, you know it's coming but there are those that do nothing to prevent the ticket they receive for speeding and then they complain about it.. makes no sense really.
Would I bust up a furball? No, unless someone requested it from with in the furball...
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Everyone country has the opportunity to read 200.
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This was all done on country channel. :aok
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Well since we have the chance to get this to 30 pages.......
I challenge everyone to read this entire thread from start to finish. Count how many times the same crap has been said over and over again by both side of this issue. It's obvious that no one cares about the other side. I have seen the point of both sides and at one time in this thread tried to play mediator so to speak and got shelled. It's clear this will never be resolved. But the funny thing is, I myself love a good furball, but there is absolutley nothing I can do or should be allowed to do if one gets shut down for a couple of minutes, except go and re-arm. I would rather stay in the fight but, oh well, life sucks. If both sides have a point and both sides can do what they want to do, this will always remain, fighters versus bombers. So, there's nothing we can do right? Tell you what I'm gonna do, play the game.
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uhm... funny at some point it did hit 200, my bad..
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*fart* what a waste of 30 pages of threads. BTW, havent read crap, just here to stink the place up.
L8R, freaks :salute
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It is absolutely amazing the amount of people that have absolutely no clue as to what the real point of the thread is all about ... even after reading all the posts that explain it over and over again.
Ya just can't fix stupid.
You said it best :aok
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One can only surmise what you or others may think the 'real' point of the thread is all about. If the author of the thread was interested in imparting some special meaning he could have been much more descriptive.
Here is the original post:
That's it. No special circumstances, caveats, descriptions or otherwise. He simply disparages those who for any reason would drop a hangar and presumes to tell others how to play.
Frankly I'm not sure how anyone sees anything deeper than that, the post isn't even that well written.
You know there is a diference form the op and the entire thread, right?
How about you sum up what you think this thread is about. Can you do it for us? I'll go first.
Here is my take...
Don't claim on country channel that you are tired of furballers, and that you are going to kill FH's at the base they are furballing at only because you want them to quit furballing and start taking bases.
No he doesnt because he hasnt read all 30 pages and doesnt understand that when I posted this( as a second thread asking for this situation to stop) it was right after a incident of the same nature. DREDger READ PLEASE, your just like the tards SlapShot is talking ABOUT!!!!
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uhm... funny at some point it did hit 200, my bad..
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Im done after this i swears, i was going to TT in a CHOG to kill the rook horde trying to take the last bish base :rock
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Im done after this i swears, i was going to TT in a CHOG to kill the rook horde trying to take the last bish base :rock
Save yourself the frustration of trying to convince stupid people of anything, as Slap pointed, you can't fix stupid.
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uhm... funny at some point it did hit 200, my bad..
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That's a picture that proves you are missising the point. :aok
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Save yourself the frustration of trying to convince stupid people of anything, as Slap pointed, you can't fix stupid.
That is a fairly bold statement, You should probably learn more about the people you insult.
The original point of this thread was lost long ago and to be honest it doesn't matter as this thread will not stop peoples actions in the game. In reality if you don't like the fact that someone purposely stopped your furball there's nothing you can do about it so you are just going to have to deal with it.
wait... I do know what will happen, we will have another 30 page thread with someone being bashed by those who believe that what they say is written law
Here is a question for ya. Why would a group engage in to a furball without having top cover? You've been playing long enough to know that there is always someone trying to bust the party up.
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That is a fairly bold statement, You should probably learn more about the people you insult.
Considering that you're one of the people that is utterly incapable of understanding the point, I think I pretty much hit the nail on the head with my previous post.
Here is a question for ya. Why would a group engage in to a furball without having top cover? You've been playing long enough to know that there is always someone trying to bust the party up.
Because you're obviously not smart enough to understand what is being discussed, maybe you'll be smart enough to answer this question. How can one side provide top cover to keep the party from being busted up when the amazinhunk intent on ruining the fun is on your own side?
Like Slap said, you can't fix stupid and I'm done trying.
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Considering that you're one of the people that is utterly incapable of understanding the point, I think I pretty much hit the nail on the head with my previous post.
I fully understand the point, I could careless about the original point as it can be all summed up to be a just another wah wah session.
How can one side provide top cover to keep the party from being busted up when the amazinhunk intent on ruining the fun is on your own side?
Uhm.. both sides are guilty of this. If the other guys would have been running a top sweep every once in a while this incident could have been avoided. So who's at fault the guy who saw an opportunity or the force that didn't check it's own defenses? I know he was on your side and was asked not to bomb it.... but he did and it was the product of poor defense.
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No he doesnt because he hasnt read all 30 pages and doesnt understand that when I posted this( as a second thread asking for this situation to stop) it was right after a incident of the same nature. DREDger READ PLEASE, your just like the tards SlapShot is talking ABOUT!!!!
Yeah I read through your posts. I found them as uninspiring as your first one starting this thread. In addition to a banal writting style, you can't seem to finish a post without offering up a personal insult either.
And I follow the gist of the thread, despite the way you fumbled the opening or how it has morphed as an afterthought. I just consider it much ado about nothing.
So the hangars go down for 15 minutes, big whoop, it's just part of the game. RTB and rearm or gain some alt, they will come back in short order. Goes for the rest of you whining about it too. :cry
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So the hangars go down for 15 minutes, big whoop, it's just part of the game. RTB and re-arm or gain some alt, they will come back in short order. Goes for the rest of you whining about it too. :cry
Says hangar queen #1 :)
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I swear some of these guys are going to be the ones that think the plants need electrolytes...
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Ok I didnt read the last page or two, however im just looking for more cat medal's from m00t. :D
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Yeah I read through your posts. I found them as uninspiring as your first one starting this thread. In addition to a banal writting style, you can't seem to finish a post without offering up a personal insult either.
And I follow the gist of the thread, despite the way you fumbled the opening or how it has morphed as an afterthought. I just consider it much ado about nothing.
So the hangars go down for 15 minutes, big whoop, it's just part of the game. RTB and rearm or gain some alt, they will come back in short order. Goes for the rest of you whining about it too. :cry
As we said, your still missing our point. For me to try to convince you know would be useless, ill just fix this in the MA by wasting 30 minutes of my life climbing to 15k to kill 1 set of lancs :eek:Says hangar queen #1 :)
didnt see that PK beat ime to it
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DRED can you answer my question?
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,271327.msg3400049.html#msg3400049
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xD noob 30 min to get to 15k = failzor. Take a K4, it's like 2 min ! or 3 min!
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xD noob 30 min to get to 15k = failzor. Take a K4, it's like 2 min ! or 3 min!
Sarcasm bud, i know dogfite used to be in your sqaud and your standing up for him but the bias kinda shows. :salute
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I'm more opening to all game play though, as long as people have fun. If people wants to spend 30 min to get their bomber over to enemy base, that's fine with me. Bombers are fat juicy target. I don't fly bombers or like being in one, but I do support other of whatever they like to fly. Overall ace high is just a game, I don't take it seriously. I love flying in furball in both D9 or K4, but if the furball dies then I'll go else where.
Furball to me is open hunting ground, it's a turkey shoot if I'm in a D9. Quick 10-20min for 15 kills and rtb. Yes, I enjoy furball. I also love turnfighting in my K4, just to see how long I'd last low and slow OTD. It's satisfying taking on multiple and making out alive while the bad guys doesn't. Then again, that's my style. I try to be open about it and adjust to the changing situation. If I'm fighting over a furball area, and then it got shutdown. That's okay too, I'll switch to capping mode. I found that fun a lot of time, just to see the teamwork of the fellow countryman in numberous of squads working together for a common goal.
I acutally had a very satisfyin mission last night, where that happen. I went from just a regular furball mission in D9 to hunt down enemy bombers to keep them of our carrier. Finally making my way to the furball area to find out all hangers were down so I went into a CAP mode, then to an escort goonie mode. I only had 8 kills in this mission which is normally 5-6 kills below my average successful mission, but I still had a lot of fun because I got to work w/ the fellow players for a common goal. We gotta remember the majority of players in AHII are here for fun, and if it's taking a base together is fun for some then that just how it is. I'm not gunna look down on people for enjoying the game differently. If thing changes in my AO, then I have enough SA to realized that's not where I want to be and I'll take my plane else where. Oh yea link to that mission that was a blast for me in this game for a long time. http://www.filefront.com/14310403/D9Buffhunting.ahf
I enjoy this game by playing w/ my friends that I have made throughout the years in this game. New friends that I've made recently and those that I knew since 1996 in AWs. All of us have different game style, I switch my style time to time to make it fit while flying with my buddies. If they have a bombing run, since I don't fly bomber I'll hop into a k4 and escort. Of course, in doing so it force me to doing an escort job and restrict from my free hunting. It's okay though, I'll change mission priority from killing as many bad guys as I can to just trying my best to keep my friendly buffs up (that's acutally a pretty hard task, I encourage you all try and escort a group fo 2-3 sets of buff w/o losing one).
I also understand some people can't afford a new computer, and the only way they can acutally play this game is by flying bomber where there frame per seconds is acutally above 10. I know they'd like to dogfight, but hell at a frame rate of 4 every time you get within 400 yard behind a bad guy is not playable. I wish I can get them a new computer and show them how fun this game is outside of their bomber prison. Then you got older folks in the 60-80+, who can barely use a computer, but they love flying so they're just here to have fun. I know a few WWII pilots, korea war pilots and a lot of other veterans that are in the game. Sure they don't know a lot about how this game work, how the mechanic in the game work or how to set their view using f10, or how to make their mic louder. I'm sure they have a whole lot more flying experience in real life then pretty much most of us. To sum it up, Ace High players come from all walk of life, with all kind of experience. Yet what we all have in common are our love for aviation. We're a small community, with a variety of aspect of the game. There's no reason to get upset over something that we can adjust to adapt to the changing enviroment in the game.
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Yenny I agree with you 100%. However what you are talking about is different than what is being discussed in the thread. You're talking about bombing, no one here (I don't think anyway) has a problem with people bombing. Its what they are bombing, i.e. Fighter Hangars. You want to bomb the town, so be it, you want to bomb the VH or fuel/ammo/ord, fine. But when you have a sector full of your guys shooting down the planes that are trying to kill the bombers, only for the bombers to kill the fighter hangars, thats not cool.
I couldn't tell you how many times I've seen people kill the FHz and the town isn't even touched, which to me, throws out the "I'm trying to win the war" crap. Thats just people going out to pizz off country men. I've even seen people kill the FHz when there was nothing upping, and we're ready to take the base. Now the base is inoperable to move on to the next fight/target, and we end up losing it within a few minutes of taking it.
Killing FHz just doesn't make sense.
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<:::::: .salvo 2 ........rgr that Houston, drop tanks on the hangers....over? (http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk121/TheAmish/sSc_hiding2.gif)
Damnit, you are the monster under my chair that keeps drinking my beer, aren't you? :furious
I told my wife about you, but she doesn't believe me.
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I swear some of these guys are going to be the ones that think the plants need electrolytes...
(http://i411.photobucket.com/albums/pp193/dmbear/idiocracy.jpg)
LMAO.
Behold, our future.........
You've gotta admit, the chair would be handy for FSO nights, though. :aok
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Who was talking about putting up a picture of their infected toe? Do it, kill this dang thread!
Maybe I'll up some 17s and bomb it, do you mind if I bomb it, I don't want to interfere with the way you all use the forum. :)
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Who was talking about putting up a picture of their infected toe? Do it, kill this dang thread!
Do it Cap1, I Dare ya! :rofl
:salute
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Uhm.. both sides are guilty of this. If the other guys would have been running a top sweep every once in a while this incident could have been avoided. So who's at fault the guy who saw an opportunity or the force that didn't check it's own defenses? I know he was on your side and was asked not to bomb it.... but he did and it was the product of poor defense.
Your way out in left field. Try reading this thread so you can understand what is going on. Your post does not cover what this thread is about at all.
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A furball away from everything else, can't be allowed... because it imposes on the players not participating in the furball, flying anywhere else on the huge maps, that they play the way those furballers want?
What exactly is the aim of shutting down that furball, other than get those furballers to play the way the ground pounder wants? Other than to spoil the mutual agreement between the two sides furballing?
I'll answer what I think is your question since you've been persistant about it.
I can think of three reasons how/why FH's at enemy base supplying a large furball get knocked out. I'll place these in the order of likelyhood in my opinion.
1. A player wants to fly bombers, both to bomb and also gun at fighters, both are great fun. So he goes to the area showing most dar which is where the furball is. He gets to the base, drops on hangars, maybe FH, maybe not. Empties his bombs, and then has fun gunning at attacking cons. Maybe FH are disabled, maybe not, he doesn't care one way or another.
2. A player ups bombers with the sole purpose of dropping the FHs at the enemy furball source. His intent is to forestall the enemy to give his side some breathing room and a tactical advantage. He figures his countrymen (or perhaps squaddies) can RTB and re-arm, gain alt, or thin out the enemy and push towards a cap. Either way it is only a temporary reprieve, 15 mins top and likely shorter.
3. A player wants to be a griefer and chooses to do so. His reward is the inevitable howls of anger on 200, country, and subsequently the bbs. That is, the howls of anger from those who think it's a problem. Others in the furball may be happy with the outcome because they gain some tactical advantage through it.
Either way it doesn't bother me one iota. I've been in countless situations where the enemy hangers go down and my gv fight or furball is temporarily suspended. It's not a big deal, plenty of places to play if you MUST have that instant gratification. Or maybe show some patience. :x
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I'll answer what I think is your question since you've been persistant about it.
I can think of three reasons how/why FH's at enemy base supplying a large furball get knocked out. I'll place these in the order of likelyhood in my opinion.
1. A player wants to fly bombers, both to bomb and also gun at fighters, both are great fun. So he goes to the area showing most dar which is where the furball is. He gets to the base, drops on hangars, maybe FH, maybe not. Empties his bombs, and then has fun gunning at attacking cons. Maybe FH are disabled, maybe not, he doesn't care one way or another.
2. A player ups bombers with the sole purpose of dropping the FHs at the enemy furball source. His intent is to forestall the enemy to give his side some breathing room and a tactical advantage. He figures his countrymen (or perhaps squaddies) can RTB and re-arm, gain alt, or thin out the enemy and push towards a cap. Either way it is only a temporary reprieve, 15 mins top and likely shorter.
3. A player wants to be a griefer and chooses to do so. His reward is the inevitable howls of anger on 200, country, and subsequently the bbs. That is, the howls of anger from those who think it's a problem. Others in the furball may be happy with the outcome because they gain some tactical advantage through it.
Either way it doesn't bother me one iota. I've been in countless situations where the enemy hangers go down and my gv fight or furball is temporarily suspended. It's not a big deal, plenty of places to play if you MUST have that instant gratification. Or maybe show some patience. :x
Your obviously being obtuse for the sake of being obtuse.
Just one thought in regards to this ... It's not a big deal, plenty of places to play if you MUST have that instant gratification. Or maybe show some patience.
Exactly ... there are plenty of places to bomb if you MUST have that instant gratification rather than piss in the furballer's pool ... and replace "patience" with "consideration" for others.
I should have listened to my own advise rather than think that maybe I could get you understand ... and even if you do fully understand, you are going to be obtuse because that was your initial stance and you need to maintain it to save face.
I'm done with this ... I fly MW mostly and this doesn't present itself as a problem in MW or is a rare occurrence in that arena.
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Your obviously being obtuse for the sake of being obtuse.
WHAT did you call me? :rofl
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this is after it was cleaned...but still infected......
(http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa135/1LTCAP/HPIM8896.jpg)
(http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa135/1LTCAP/HPIM8896.jpg)
this is what came out....it was completely under the skin.
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WHAT did you call me? :rofl
(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff107/tymekeepyr/obtuse.png)
:rofl
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Since some folks must not want to understand I'll let the enemy fighters chew your buffs up from now on. I'll announce my intentions on 200 so they will know that i will not be harrassing them till they are through with you.
For those buff drivers that do care. I will assist them in whatever fashion I can.
One good turn deserves another.
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I like turtles...
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this is after it was cleaned...but still infected......
(http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa135/1LTCAP/HPIM8896.jpg)
(http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa135/1LTCAP/HPIM8896.jpg)
this is what came out....it was completely under the skin.
(http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa135/1LTCAP/toenail.jpg)
Oh God my eyes! :O
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Oh God my eyes! :O
:rofl :noid :rofl :noid
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:eek: NOT THE TOE!!!!!!!!!!! :cry
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Definitely on the sick side of things.. :eek:
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Definitely on the sick side of things.. :eek:
the unbelievable part, is the size of that damnd thing,,,,,,,,i had no clue it was there till the pain hit me.
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the unbelievable part, is the size of that damnd thing,,,,,,,,i had no clue it was there till the pain hit me.
Isn't that how its supposed to happen though? No one knows they get burned or shot until the feel the pain :)
Anywho, just messing.. but seriously, that was gross. lol
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Isn't that how its supposed to happen though? No one knows they get burned or shot until the feel the pain :)
Anywho, just messing.. but seriously, that was gross. lol
but it didn't workkkkkkk!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :cry :cry :cry
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I just had to look at Caps toe :rolleyes: YUCK!
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Furball with gang tards
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oraONu7Jp_Y (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oraONu7Jp_Y)
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Furball with gang tards
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oraONu7Jp_Y (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oraONu7Jp_Y)
:rofl
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Your obviously being obtuse for the sake of being obtuse. ... and even if you do fully understand, you are going to be obtuse...
LOL, nothing could be further from the truth, but it was funny to read 'obtuse' sputtered out three times, I can almost picture the saliva spray.
Not to be antagonistic, but but I think you are being pedantic about the whole issue. This often happens when people get emotionally invested in their arguments.
I fully understand how it could be considered inconsiderate for bombers (griefers in this instance) to knock out FH's at a furball source base. In the post you were responding to, I was asked to list possible situations where FH's might be bombed, outlining various intents.
That being said, I still think it is whiny to complain about....the.....whole...15.. .minutes (and usually less due to stagered drops) that this NON ISSUE creates. Not only that, but the whole thread was started by the most renowned drama queen of the BBS.
So I say quit the cryin' and play the game to have fun, even if you can't have it your way every time.
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LOL, nothing could be further from the truth, but it was funny to read 'obtuse' sputtered out three times, I can almost picture the saliva spray.
Not to be antagonistic, but but I think you are being pedantic about the whole issue. This often happens when people get emotionally invested in their arguments.
I fully understand how it could be considered inconsiderate for bombers (griefers in this instance) to knock out FH's at a furball source base. In the post you were responding to, I was asked to list possible situations where FH's might be bombed, outlining various intents.
That being said, I still think it is whiny to complain about....the.....whole...15.. .minutes (and usually less due to stagered drops) that this NON ISSUE creates. Not only that, but the whole thread was started by the most renowned drama queen of the BBS.
So I say quit the cryin' and play the game to have fun, even if you can't have it your way every time.
i joined a bunch of sapp'rs in lw last week. awsome fight going on between 15 and 12. some friendlies were gettin pissed because some of the red guys weren't stayin in our furball, but rather comin to our base to fight. they were going to take down the fh at the badguy base........guppy was able to reason with them, and they left them stand. thus, there was a good 4 hours of intensive fighting at the mid-point.
had they dud dropped the fh, the fight would've petered out, and probably not started up that well again for the night.
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Dredger, "pedantic" and "emotional" don't often go hand in hand. :P
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this is after it was cleaned...but still infected......
(http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa135/1LTCAP/HPIM8896.jpg)
(http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa135/1LTCAP/HPIM8896.jpg)
this is what came out....it was completely under the skin.
(http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa135/1LTCAP/toenail.jpg)
(wiping vomit from corner of mouth) Thanks Cap for putting an end to this!
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(wiping vomit from corner of mouth) Thanks Cap for putting an end to this!
(http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm134/waystin2/puke.gif)
AAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
frunny pic. the toe didn't work though/. :cry
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482 posts, 33 pages later people are still just going around in circles lol :rofl
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482 posts, 33 pages later people are still just going around in circles lol :rofl
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnupL42gmF4
:noid :rofl :noid
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnupL42gmF4
:noid :rofl :noid
lol
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"Co-Founder The Rowdy Ones in DA"
:noid wish i could be dat cool
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"Co-Founder The Rowdy Ones in DA"
:noid wish i could be dat cool
You're that cool in my book :aok
ack-ack
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You're that cool in my book :aok
ack-ack
Doh! :rofl
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You're that cool in my book :aok
ack-ack
Yikes! I dont know if I should be offended by that. :D
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Yikes! I dont know if I should be offended by that. :D
I would say "yes", even if the truth hurts. :aok
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"Co-Founder The Rowdy Ones in DA"
:noid wish i could be dat cool
No ones that cool to be a CO-Founder of a DA squad. Not even you! :D
PS. Dont let my sig fool you! :P
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Hmmm...be interesting to try getting rid of the whole toolshedding thing and come up with a more strategic purpose for bombers, IMO.
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Hmmm...be interesting to try getting rid of the whole toolshedding thing and come up with a more strategic purpose for bombers, IMO.
i forget who said it........but since the buffs that wanna drop fh's and ruin a fight often come in low.......i will exit the fight, and allow the red guys ample time to go take care of the buffs.
since there's always going to be griefers that insist on doing that.....as long as they feel as if their bombers are relatively safe.......we'll just hafta start letting the red guys have at them.
that should be plenty to convince them that maybe they oughta go somewhere else, if they don't wanna fight. :aok :D
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i forget who said it........but since the buffs that wanna drop fh's and ruin a fight often come in low.......i will exit the fight, and allow the red guys ample time to go take care of the buffs.
since there's always going to be griefers that insist on doing that.....as long as they feel as if their bombers are relatively safe.......we'll just hafta start letting the red guys have at them.
that should be plenty to convince them that maybe they oughta go somewhere else, if they don't wanna fight. :aok :D
I hate to tell you this CAP, but for most people flying buffs, whether or not you shoot down their bombers after they unload their eggs is irrelevant. Hell, we all know a lot of them just bail aftewards, or fly at tree-top level strafing acks with gun turrets!!! That is the fatal flaw in the bomber game of AHII...buffs are very difficult to intercept before they reach target, and what they do if they do reach the target is the most strategically important role in the AHII mains, but shooting them down afterwards has almost no strategic importance. You just lost the ability to up fighters from A69, but shooting down the buffs who did it doesn't cost the Bish/Knits/Rooks anything, in fact it allows the buffer to go toolshed some more that much quicker.
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I have a feeling if BnZ was to get his way, we'd have nothing but a game of planes that are needlessy perked and players that are afraid to fight each other.
ack-ack
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I have a feeling if BnZ was to get his way, we'd have nothing but a game of planes that are needlessy perked and players that are afraid to fight each other.
ack-ack
I have a feeling you have no useful information to offer Ack, so you instead serve up steaming piles of vitriolic drivel.
I think the current "mission" bombers have...dropping hangars, makes the game less fun, not more. It ends fun for the defenders AND the attackers as far as I am concerned. I suggest a strat system. Do YOU having anything to suggest, or are you just going to treat us to more verbal flatulence?
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I hate to tell you this CAP, but for most people flying buffs, whether or not you shoot down their bombers after they unload their eggs is irrelevant. Hell, we all know a lot of them just bail aftewards, or fly at tree-top level strafing acks with gun turrets!!! That is the fatal flaw in the bomber game of AHII...buffs are very difficult to intercept before they reach target, and what they do if they do reach the target is the most strategically important role in the AHII mains, but shooting them down afterwards has almost no strategic importance. You just lost the ability to up fighters from A69, but shooting down the buffs who did it doesn't cost the Bish/Knits/Rooks anything, in fact it allows the buffer to go toolshed some more that much quicker.
Your bomber killing tactics must be askew. Pwning bombers before they get to their target is easy to do if you know how. I'll try to make a film for you.
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Ahh, it was dead! CAP, your toe was on it's way to driving the final stake through this threads heart but instead you opted for the AED to bring it back to life!
Shame on you.
:rolleyes:
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I hate to tell you this CAP, but for most people flying buffs, whether or not you shoot down their bombers after they unload their eggs is irrelevant. Hell, we all know a lot of them just bail aftewards, or fly at tree-top level strafing acks with gun turrets!!! That is the fatal flaw in the bomber game of AHII...buffs are very difficult to intercept before they reach target, and what they do if they do reach the target is the most strategically important role in the AHII mains, but shooting them down afterwards has almost no strategic importance. You just lost the ability to up fighters from A69, but shooting down the buffs who did it doesn't cost the Bish/Knits/Rooks anything, in fact it allows the buffer to go toolshed some more that much quicker.
aaahhhhhh yes grasshopper..........but WE know OUR buffs are a comin..........if we were to suddenly back off, i would think that the red guys would get the idea, and go intercept....hopefuly before the buffs get there..... :devil
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Your bomber killing tactics must be askew. Pwning bombers before they get to their target is easy to do if you know how. I'll try to make a film for you.
You mean where one climbs to an alt where one can hope to make reasonably safe passes and waits for incoming bombers, instead of mixing it up with fighters, so you can build a really nifty K/D? Everyone is aware of that tactic, most are just too bored senseless by it.
I repeat, the dropping hangars aspect, whether with a B-24 flight or an 8 inch gun, IMO makes the game less fun, not more.
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I have a feeling you have no useful information to offer Ack, so you instead serve up steaming piles of vitriolic drivel.
I think the current "mission" bombers have...dropping hangars, makes the game less fun, not more. It ends fun for the defenders AND the attackers as far as I am concerned. I suggest a strat system. Do YOU having anything to suggest, or are you just going to treat us to more verbal flatulence?
Unfortunately its the WAY players play the game that causes the problems. To many people and squads make "wining the war" the be all and end all of the game. Until that mentality can be replaced with the mentality that promotes COMBAT first and for most we will have the issues we have....hording, gangs, NOE's HO and run.
As a solution, I thought twisting the scoring around to make winning a the fight pay off much more than losing. Bombing a target and returning to base pay of more than bomb and bail. Give points for joining mission, but scale them to increase the bonus up until 12 players join, after that, drop the bonus for each player joining after that. It would force missions to launch with ONLY 12 people, add something so that if you launch another mission from the same base you get no points, but the bonus work it you up from another base, forcing co-ordinating attack missions.
Ranking could be tied into it too. A squad with fewer players ranks higher than a bigger squad doing the same thing.
While "everyone" says they don't play for score, I'd bet it the most hit page on the HTC site.
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buffs are very difficult to intercept before they reach target
For this reason, I think buffs should show up as such on radar. Even with primitive WWII radar, they gave off a bigger signature than smaller fighters.
Relevent strat targets would be cool, like the old spit factory in AH. Those things were attacked often, and defended with enthusiasm. Heck, they could have a hog factory, pwny factory, etc.
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Your bomber killing tactics must be askew. Pwning bombers before they get to their target is easy to do if you know how. I'll try to make a film for you.
I have a film of you and I attacking buffs the other night. :lol Do you remember?
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Interesting thoughts Fugi.
Here is a simple one...why not lower the ENY on some bomber types? Since the purpose of the ENY system is to handicap the high numbers side, and since bombers are among the best tools each side has for map-moving, why not lower the ENY on them enough that the high-numbers side might reasonably be expected to be deprived of them? Currently the numbers must be incredibly lopsided to effect level bombers. The ENY on the best fighters (and some not so-best) is 5, but the ENY on B-17s/B-24s is 20! And an increase in perk points accrued for shooting down bombers would be a reward for what is otherwise often a thankless chore. Large bombers should quite rightly be treated as a more valuable target for destruction than enemy fighters.
Unfortunately its the WAY players play the game that causes the problems. To many people and squads make "wining the war" the be all and end all of the game. Until that mentality can be replaced with the mentality that promotes COMBAT first and for most we will have the issues we have....hording, gangs, NOE's HO and run.
As a solution, I thought twisting the scoring around to make winning a the fight pay off much more than losing. Bombing a target and returning to base pay of more than bomb and bail. Give points for joining mission, but scale them to increase the bonus up until 12 players join, after that, drop the bonus for each player joining after that. It would force missions to launch with ONLY 12 people, add something so that if you launch another mission from the same base you get no points, but the bonus work it you up from another base, forcing co-ordinating attack missions.
Ranking could be tied into it too. A squad with fewer players ranks higher than a bigger squad doing the same thing.
While "everyone" says they don't play for score, I'd bet it the most hit page on the HTC site.
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Good idea with the radar Steve.
By all rights, radar should also give at least rough alt information as well.
Relevent strat targets would be cool, like the old spit factory in AH. Those things were attacked often, and defended with enthusiasm. Heck, they could have a hog factory, pwny factory, etc.
Yes, one could do something like have mass destruction of "Air Craft production facilities" in a zone's hinterland effect ENY/Perk prices in that zone. Potentially wider area of effect that hangar banging, but without totally depriving the players at A69 of planes to fight with AND requiring a much more concentrated and sustained effort, deep within enemy territory.
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You mean where one climbs to an alt where one can hope to make reasonably safe passes and waits for incoming bombers, instead of mixing it up with fighters, so you can build a really nifty K/D? Everyone is aware of that tactic, most are just too bored senseless by it.
I repeat, the dropping hangars aspect, whether with a B-24 flight or an 8 inch gun, IMO makes the game less fun, not more.
Most bombers I kill are around 7-8k or lower. There aren't that many experten bombers that take the time to climb to 15k+, if they do, well that's why they are expertens. It's not that big of an issue, you embellish every point you take on the bbs to the absolute extreme.
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why not lower the ENY on them enough that the high-numbers side might reasonably be expected to be deprived of them?
Because there are a few of us that are members of Bomb Groups and enjoy a more realistic bomber sortie setting. The 91st aren't into the lancstukka type or NOE missions, we fly high and hit hard or in my cause I get hit hard. I'm a horrible gunner. If ya wanna head the 91st off you have to be at least at 20k :aok
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Because there are a few of us that are members of Bomb Groups and enjoy a more realistic bomber sortie setting. The 91st aren't into the lancstukka type or NOE missions, we fly high and hit hard or in my cause I get hit hard. I'm a horrible gunner. If ya wanna head the 91st off you have to be at least at 20k :aok
My point is that currently ENY, which is purportedly to handicap the high numbers side, hardly effects bombers at all. Strategically, whether or not one side can up B-24s makes a far greater difference than whether or not they can up Spixteens or Lalas.
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Most bombers I kill are around 7-8k or lower. There aren't that many experten bombers that take the time to climb to 15k+, if they do, well that's why they are expertens. It's not that big of an issue, you embellish every point you take on the bbs to the absolute extreme.
It is not extreme to say that being in the right position to kill buffs before they drop is typically the result of either luck or being inordinately patient and disciplined in what is after all a video game.
That is why I think Steve's idea of giving buffs a different radar signature is a good idea. IMO, currently the most important and onerous defensive job (buff interception) is poorly rewarded and what should be the most important offensive job (escort) is almost irrelevant.
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If bombers are dedicated to infrastructure, high ENY stuff like 190A-8s are effectively dedicated bomber killers and also mostly unaffected by ENY fluctuations.
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I know it's been asked for before but I think it is time to add contrails to the bomber formations, this would also give everyone an idea of what's going on up above the clouds.
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That would be an elegant solution.
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Very true, though I doubt we will see this placed in the game. :furious
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Unfortunately its the WAY players play the game that causes the problems. To many people and squads make "wining the war" the be all and end all of the game. Until that mentality can be replaced with the mentality that promotes COMBAT first and for most we will have the issues we have....hording, gangs, NOE's HO and run.
Uh...so why are you in the MA? Wouldn't the DA better serve your playing style?
We get a real kick out of sneaking in and capturing bases from players so focused on COMBAT (best described as furballers) that they fail to realize some fun spoilers are wiping out their useless town and sending in troops.
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I know it's been asked for before but I think it is time to add contrails to the bomber formations, this would also give everyone an idea of what's going on up above the clouds.
ACTUally that would look awsome
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Uh...so why are you in the MA? Wouldn't the DA better serve your playing style?
We get a real kick out of sneaking in and capturing bases from players so focused on COMBAT (best described as furballers) that they fail to realize some fun spoilers are wiping out their useless town and sending in troops.
Sneak all you want.
The main complaint throughout this thread is the dropping of FH where a furball is going on.
That is to say no attempt at grabbing the base.
See the difference?
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ACTUally that would look awsome
Sure would :aok
Just imagine the 91st at 25k rolling to yer base, your team mates hypnotized by the contrails coming from our deathstars and then hearing your infrastructure being disabled 1,500 lbs at a time.
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The main complaint throughout this thread is the dropping of FH where a furball is going on.
That is to say no attempt at grabbing the base.
See the difference?
Uh, no I don't. Perhaps there IS an attempt at grabbing the base or soon will be. Furballers for the most part don't seem to be able to process more information than what it takes to shoot at the plane in front of them.
I still think furballers belong in the DA.
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Furballers for the most part don't seem to be able to process more information than shooting at the plane in front of them.
Are you sure about that?
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Uh...so why are you in the MA? Wouldn't the DA better serve your playing style?
We get a real kick out of sneaking in and capturing bases from players so focused on COMBAT (best described as furballers) that they fail to realize some fun spoilers are wiping out their useless town and sending in troops.
No, because in a game of combat I'd like to see me and a wingman with a second or third element (element = a pair of fighters winging together) flying a fighter sweep. Catching a bombing group with a fighter escort. COMBAT ensues and the be all and end all is the fighters to try and stop the buffs while the buffs and escort fight to clear the skies to continue their mission.
Thats what the game is suppose to be about. Any bozo can drop builds, but can you do it while fighting? 5 guys can kill and grab a base NOE, but can you do it while fighting? In the case of most people playing these days NO they can't. Why? because they have no skill. Why? because it is so much easier to hide in the horde, or under radar avoiding combat.
Ya you get a real kick speeding on the highway, but what if you had the chance to run an alcohol car down a drag strip for a weekend? Same thing, sneak a base....whoopie Earn a base, now thats an accomplishment :aok
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Uh, no I don't. Perhaps there IS an attempt at grabbing the base or soon will be. Furballers for the most part don't seem to be able to process more information than shooting at the plane in front of them.
I still think furballers belong in the DA.
That's not a very fair statement. Everyone group of player serves a role in the big picture of the war effort, regardless if they want to admit it or not. Furballers are doing what they best they are keeping a lot of the OP tied up. This is beneficial to those UBER NOE missions, bomber missions (though we want the OP to challenge us in the air at our alt in our playground above the clouds) and in some cases GV missions. But you'll not get many people to admit this...
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Are you sure about that?
I'm "pretty sure". Classic example to prove my point would be right after a base capture. How many furballers will stick around to defend it until the town starts repopping? It's of no interest to them. They'll just fly off to the next furball.
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"[not] able to process more information than shooting at the plane in front of them"
and
"[don't care to] stick around to defend it until the town starts repopping"
are different things.
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I'm "pretty sure". Classic example to prove my point would be right after a base capture. How many furballers will stick around to defend it until the town starts repopping? It's of no interest to them. They'll just fly off to the next furball.
Wow. You insist on assuming that they have the same goals as the base capture people.
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I know it's been asked for before but I think it is time to add contrails to the bomber formations, this would also give everyone an idea of what's going on up above the clouds.
That would be some nice eye-candy.
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Uh, no I don't. Perhaps there IS an attempt at grabbing the base or soon will be. Furballers for the most part don't seem to be able to process more information than what it takes to shoot at the plane in front of them.
I still think furballers belong in the DA.
LOL what is more information overload.
A. noe...drop town... drop troops
B. 20+ plane furball
Hmmm... decisions....decisions
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[taunt]
The decision is easy bring it to 20k feet! Let's rumble! :t
or is everyone of you OP monkeys a big 'ol :cry
Just kidding but seriously a fly on the wall as told me about a large bomber mission tonight, look to the stars in fear for the 91st is inbound with eggs (no (pun intended thndregg) and when people look back on this night you will tell them "no that is not a falling star, it's an OP monkey falling in a ball of flame!".
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Uh, no I don't. Perhaps there IS an attempt at grabbing the base or soon will be. Furballers for the most part don't seem to be able to process more information than what it takes to shoot at the plane in front of them.
I still think furballers belong in the DA.
first off........
furballers need to process a LOT of info.
what's the guy in front going to do? what can my plane do better than his? what's above, behind, below me? how fast am i going? how much alt do i have if i stall? there's more.
secondly. some of us do other things besides furball too.
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I've tried to furball, I'm to lethargic for that style of game play.. my eyes see the con then it takes a few seconds for my brain to say "pull trigger" the odd thing is that my brain can say "whooops" while flailing my arms with no delay...uhm.. :lol
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Furballers for the most part don't seem to be able to process more information than what it takes to shoot at the plane in front of them.
Good furballers, to be one you must have very good SA, are processing E-states of many planes(foe and friend), arrivals, departures, plane capabilities, pilot tendencies, angles, etc etc.; all the while trying to stay alive, keep their plane flying, and perhaps get a gun solution now and then. This process is constantly running, as it is very dynamic, changing fluidly and endlessly in a furball.
A stick who is unable to process more information than what it takes to shoot a plane in front of him isn't a furballer, he's a target.
Either you have no idea what goes through a good furballers mind or you are trolling.
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The amount of information that needs or get's processed is inherent to the mission that a person has chosen to fly. If you think a particular mission lacks in skill and uberness then don't fly that mission, don't smack talk or knowingly ruin someones fun because you have a god complex. Which brings us back to the original point of this thread, everyone should show enough respect to honor peoples wishes, most do but there are those that are hell bent on degrading peoples fun factor just to degrade it.
I wish there was an internet gnome that could travel from PC to PC to punish those who are purposely degrading other peoples fun factor just because they can't be throttled by the people they are online with.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eBJNKwrTRA&feature=PlayList&p=AA8E86285070F1D8&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=7
:rofl :aok :D :noid
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No if we could just have that as a pop in game for those that are being tools for the sake of being tools.. No offense A8tool :aok
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Good furballers, to be one you must have very good SA, are processing E-states of many planes(foe and friend), arrivals, departures, plane capabilities, pilot tendencies, angles, etc etc.; all the while trying to stay alive, keep their plane flying, and perhaps get a gun solution now and then. This process is constantly running, as it is very dynamic, changing fluidly and endlessly in a furball.
A stick who is unable to process more information than what it takes to shoot a plane in front of him isn't a furballer, he's a target.
Good friggin post Steve. :aok
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Previously chewed gum anyone?
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I'm "pretty sure". Classic example to prove my point would be right after a base capture. How many furballers will stick around to defend it until the town starts repopping? It's of no interest to them. They'll just fly off to the next furball.
Absolutly correct ... now why don't you and your "sneaky" leet base takers stick around and defend what you just took ? ... or does that not interest you "sneaky" leet base takers ? ... or are you "sneaky" leet base takers above such a task ? ... I would guess that latter, after all you are "sneaky" leet ... :rolleyes:
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Absolutly correct ... now why don't you and your "sneaky" leet base takers stick around and defend what you just took ? ... or does that not interest you "sneaky" leet base takers ? ... or are you "sneaky" leet base takers above such a task ? ... I would guess that latter, after all you are "sneaky" leet ..
That would require a plan that covers both before and after action... The L33T base rapers seldom have a plan that extends further than the base take. Some do though, When I flew with the C-hawks we would grab a base and defend it with everything that we had or if we wanted a more forward strike base we would steamroll a few bases to give us an advantage in map position so our crew could roll without having to fly to terribly far.
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Absolutly correct ... now why don't you and your "sneaky" leet base takers stick around and defend what you just took ? ... or does that not interest you "sneaky" leet base takers ? ... or are you "sneaky" leet base takers above such a task ? ... I would guess that latter, after all you are "sneaky" leet ... :rolleyes:
OH, believe me, the "sneaky" leet base takers DO stick around to defend. And it's usually tough going for them since the horde of "I am GOD" furballers bail to the next furball as soon as there's nothing left to shoot at.
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Good furballers, to be one you must have very good SA, are processing E-states of many planes(foe and friend), arrivals, departures, plane capabilities, pilot tendencies, angles, etc etc.; all the while trying to stay alive, keep their plane flying, and perhaps get a gun solution now and then. This process is constantly running, as it is very dynamic, changing fluidly and endlessly in a furball.
All the while ignoring the pleas for help with enemy gvs laying your town to waste, or taking the time to shoot down the last 2 or three buildings so troops in town could be let out, or dragging bogies low over town while troops are trying to get in.
Shoot down a couple buildings, helping with gvs? Heh, there's no skill in that. Let the dweebs do it, I'm gonna stay over the field so I can start vulching as soon as the hangers repop.
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OH, believe me, the "sneaky" leet base takers DO stick around to defend. And it's usually tough going for them since the horde of "I am GOD" furballers bail to the next furball as soon as there's nothing left to shoot at.
All the while ignoring the pleas for help with enemy gvs laying your town to waste, or taking the time to shoot down the last 2 or three buildings so troops in town could be let out, or dragging bogies low over town while troops are trying to get in.
Shoot down a couple buildings, helping with gvs? Heh, there's no skill in that. Let the dweebs do it, I'm gonna stay over the field so I can start vulching as soon as the hangers repop.
Another one that can't be fixed ... <sigh>
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Another one that can't be fixed ... <sigh>
Well slappy.. you know what they say can't be fixed? ;)
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OH, believe me, the "sneaky" leet base takers DO stick around to defend. And it's usually tough going for them since the horde of "I am GOD" furballers bail to the next furball as soon as there's nothing left to shoot at.
Erkel, whats your in game name, squad. I'll keep and eye out for yas and and maybe you guys will be generating some fights I might enjoy.
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Is there anything people won't whine about around here? :huh Sometimes 200 looks like romper room...<"that's my toy"..."you're a runtard"..."i got more skillz than u"..."u hobag"...blah blah blah...> and most of the dweebs doin the talkin are supposedly adults and parents...so you're an uber toon plane ace fighter pilot big deal...must give you a real nice woody announcing that fact in the text buffer on a game...great examples of "adults".
You don't want your precious hangars blown up, try getting people to do some bomber intercept. Hell, if I'm online and we're on the same team, I'll do it; that is if I haven't gotten the sudden urge to knock out the hangars on a base that is hosting the horde trying to take one of my teams bases. It's going to happen no matter how much you whine about it, in game or in the forums.
:cry > you
MrMeaty
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Erkel, whats your in game name, squad. I'll keep and eye out for yas and and maybe you guys will be generating some fights I might enjoy.
I am FBErkle of Free Birds, a nit and usually in the blue arena. Free Birds will be happy to put up a good fight.
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See Rules #4, #10
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I like dropping hangers :)
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Bump, just wanted to let DogFite know that what he did tonight
What, bomb really accurately?
It ain't your map, princess.
People whine about NOEs ruining the game and whine about hordes ruining the game, so three guys come in at 11k to a base the nits are trying to take and flatten a medium field and two thirds of the town AND land kills from the fighters trying to intercept, and now you're still whining. Well, take your whiny, potty-mouthed little tukhus and go pad your vulching score somewhere else if you don't like it. We're good at what we do, we ain't gonna stop doing it, and if a world-class jerk like you is offended, so much the better.
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What, bomb really accurately?
It ain't your map, princess.
People whine about NOEs ruining the game and whine about hordes ruining the game, so three guys come in at 11k to a base the nits are trying to take and flatten a medium field and two thirds of the town AND land kills from the fighters trying to intercept, and now you're still whining. Well, take your whiny, potty-mouthed little tukhus and go pad your vulching score somewhere else if you don't like it. We're good at what we do, we ain't gonna stop doing it, and if a world-class jerk like you is offended, so much the better.
:aok :salute
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What, bomb really accurately?
It ain't your map, princess.
People whine about NOEs ruining the game and whine about hordes ruining the game, so three guys come in at 11k to a base the nits are trying to take and flatten a medium field and two thirds of the town AND land kills from the fighters trying to intercept, and now you're still whining. Well, take your whiny, potty-mouthed little tukhus and go pad your vulching score somewhere else if you don't like it. We're good at what we do, we ain't gonna stop doing it, and if a world-class jerk like you is offended, so much the better.
People whine about OVERKILL......you think Kermit,Silat, Agent360 and hibbie2 with about 5-6 othersticks that I didnt know of but are all quite good cant handle Me, ZZee, Billyd, Sqaut1, strong10 and dung88? That is a good fight and would have lasted a bit but they would end up getting us back to our base where yall could start hitting the town and running M3s. They did not HAVE to drop the hangars(maybe the VH) which went down second to the FH, which makes me think they dont want to fight anyone. This game is about the fight....and if someone says up and defend it...understand the threat at the time was the fighters who had us in alt and numbers
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...It ain't your map, princess...
Loki... before you get carried away with your fantasy you should realize that you play as a squad (for the most part) when very few people are online to stop your carpet roll of the map. Not that I am supporting Junky and his 'tool naming' campaign at all but your squad can pretty much be stopped cold by a good porking mission... if there was any one online to mission up that is.
Before you commit to your 'jihad' you should know your enemy a little better. I suggest you play the game and enjoy yourself while ignoring these guys about the tool shedding.
Junky: HTC made the game so you could find a fight but its not all about furballing. HELLO!
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So if the game is only about the fight, why did HiTech add bases and bombable structures that will frustrate people to no end?
Because it gives people a reason to defend against bombers, fighters, and vehicles and adds another dimension to the game. If you don't want people bombing your base, go fly in the DA. Otherwise, go shoot the hell outta those bombers!
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What they need is an arena with a 'glass' ceiling of 5k that when broken sends you to the tower. :D
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So if the game is only about the fight, why did HiTech add bases and bombable structures that will frustrate people to no end?
Because it gives people a reason to defend against bombers, fighters, and vehicles and adds another dimension to the game. If you don't want people bombing your base, go fly in the DA. Otherwise, go shoot the hell outta those bombers!
As I said, we were already under a good fighter umbrella....
I am not against taking bases....in this case i am against the over kill mentallity of this certain group...... they didnt need to drop the hangars......they hadnt even hit the town yet......They arent looking for combat all they want is to take bases with the least amount of opposition, Ive seem them use the M3 flooding the towns with troops which is very gamey. Completely avioding any fight at late hours when the majority are looking for them.......Its BS all it is and he is still a tool...probably took credit for the capture when he had 10 good fighters killing the only red guys
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Junky,
I am as much about finding a good fight as any of you, and do get frustrated when the hangars get dropped etc, BUT, I have to disagree about the "flooding" of troops being "gamey". Overwhelming the enemy with troops is a tactic that has been used in war for ages. Same goes for "horde" tactics. Yes, it is dweeby and annoying, BUT, it is not "gamey". In fact, those of us that prefer the fight are more "gamey" than the horde dweebs are. Not saying I agree with horders and whatnot, since it does lessen the game experience IMO, just pointing out it is not gamey.
Sol
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23 pages? You fellers sure know how to beat a dead horse... :eek:
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Sol
(SOMEBODY just lost their WidowMaker Pleasure Barn (tm) privileges)
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(SOMEBODY just lost their WidowMaker Pleasure Barn (tm) privileges)
Knowing Sol as well as I do, you might as well lock him up and throw away the key. He will go crazy.... :x
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(SOMEBODY just lost their WidowMaker Pleasure Barn (tm) privileges)
NOOO! Who will take care of my flock!?
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I hear what you guys are saying, but until the game structure is completely re-done it's going to continue to happen and squeaking about it isn't going to accomplish anything except get everyone up in arms. Might as well cope and deal as well as you can and fight where you can.
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Like I always say..... if folks are determined to stop a good fight by killing all the FH, I will back off the con fighters and let them take time to kill the buffs that are not helping our side.
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Like I always say..... if folks are determined to stop a good fight by killing all the FH, I will back off the con fighters and let them take time to kill the buffs that are not helping our side.
This is probably the extent of what we can do, unfortunately.
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NOOO! Who will take care of my flock!?
Don't fret, I'll keep em cozy. :devil
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Junky,
I am as much about finding a good fight as any of you, and do get frustrated when the hangars get dropped etc, BUT, I have to disagree about the "flooding" of troops being "gamey". Overwhelming the enemy with troops is a tactic that has been used in war for ages. Same goes for "horde" tactics. Yes, it is dweeby and annoying, BUT, it is not "gamey". In fact, those of us that prefer the fight are more "gamey" than the horde dweebs are. Not saying I agree with horders and whatnot, since it does lessen the game experience IMO, just pointing out it is not gamey.
Sol
Sol, I should slap the Jarhead face of yours :D I consider it to be one of the more Gamey things done in this game......Its taking the easy way out and it is killing the fight
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Dropping the fighter hangars is an essential part of taking a base. If they are dropping FH's while simply furballing and no real concerted effort to take the base then it does seem pretty dumb.
Isn't the total ideal of the "we're just here for the good fights" crowd? So why drop them to nullify "the good fights"? My guess is they just want to vulch anything else that ups. Vulching--now THAT'S something that takes great skill and ACM, right?
I agree--go kill the guys dropping the FH's. Heck--go kill them all, let Cod sort them out.
ROX
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Dropping the fighter hangars is an essential part of taking a base.
I recently found out that you only need to kill town buildings to take a base.
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Dropping the fighter hangars is an essential part of taking a base. If they are dropping FH's while simply furballing and no real concerted effort to take the base then it does seem pretty dumb.
Isn't the total ideal of the "we're just here for the good fights" crowd? So why drop them to nullify "the good fights"? My guess is they just want to vulch anything else that ups. Vulching--now THAT'S something that takes great skill and ACM, right?
I agree--go kill the guys dropping the FH's. Heck--go kill them all, let Cod sort them out.
ROX
Dropping hangers is not an 'essential' part of taking a base.
ack-ack
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Dropping the fighter hangars is an essential part of taking a base. If they are dropping FH's while simply furballing and no real concerted effort to take the base then it does seem pretty dumb.
Isn't the total ideal of the "we're just here for the good fights" crowd? So why drop them to nullify "the good fights"? My guess is they just want to vulch anything else that ups. Vulching--now THAT'S something that takes great skill and ACM, right?
I agree--go kill the guys dropping the FH's. Heck--go kill them all, let Cod sort them out.
ROX
Rox,
The fact that they didnt need to take em down to take the base is where I get mad. Also the fight that was there was a furball, and I know Dogtards reason behind dropping the FHs were just to piss us off. Going to get the bomber were out of the question since they had a 3 to 1 fighter advantage over us. Like I said they took the path of least resistance
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This thread from a man who carried on and on about how he wanted to play the game his way, yet here he is with some compelling advice about how others should play their game.
There's a section in the DA called Furballing, made just for hairballers who like to fly around in an endless cloud of repetitive dogfighting, but none of you ever go there. Instead you seem to think you have the right to claim an area in the MA where the WAR is taking place as your own little special romper room and cry when somebody busts the hangars.
The MA is about the war, there's a section on clipboard that tells you all about the war status, bases are set up with a town to be taken down for base capturing, but you game consolers come to AH looking for the first person shooter experience in a friggin war sim, LOL. Go to the DA and furball, or furball at another base, there's another fight developing in another sector, always is, and you can simply move on to the next romper room and you won't have to look like you're the one telling others how to play. Furballing is fun sure, but so was Doom and Mrs. Pacman.
There was a guy on the other night griping about the hangars being dropped at the local furball and he said "There's only one decent fight on the entire map!" I responded, Gee, I wonder why that is?
Defend the base, Furball if you like, but don't think anybody cares enough about it to give you a special section in the MA for it. Frankly I'm sick of watching the map turn red and orange while the furball continues.
I'm going to go now, got to grab some Lancs. Furballing is a disease in this game, bloody consolers.
-Twitchy
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This thread from a man who carried on and on about how he wanted to play the game his way, yet here he is with some compelling advice about how others should play their game.
There's a section in the DA called Furballing, made just for hairballers who like to fly around in an endless cloud of repetitive dogfighting, but none of you ever go there. Instead you seem to think you have the right to claim an area in the MA where the WAR is taking place as your own little special romper room and cry when somebody busts the hangars.
The MA is about the war, there's a section on clipboard that tells you all about the war status, bases are set up with a town to be taken down for base capturing, but you game consolers come to AH looking for the first person shooter experience in a friggin war sim, LOL. Go to the DA and furball, or furball at another base, there's another fight developing in another sector, always is, and you can simply move on to the next romper room and you won't have to look like you're the one telling others how to play. Furballing is fun sure, but so was Doom and Mrs. Pacman.
There was a guy on the other night griping about the hangars being dropped at the local furball and he said "There's only one decent fight on the entire map!" I responded, Gee, I wonder why that is?
Defend the base, Furball if you like, but don't think anybody cares enough about it to give you a special section in the MA for it. Frankly I'm sick of watching the map turn red and orange while the furball continues.
I'm going to go now, got to grab some Lancs. Furballing is a disease in this game, bloody consolers.
-Twitchy
And you have been playing how many years now? The fight for the bases is what sparks what this game is all about, combat. All forms of it for everyone, bombers, fighters, gvers, jabbos, anti aircraft.....what you are either too lazy or too stupid to realize is that these "whines"/ complaints of bad game play are mostly because people (like you) are taking the easy way around these fights by making it impossible for anyone to fight back. There isnt any skill behind porking a base in a fighter, or going to 15k in a bomber where no fighters can get to due to an already mounted fighter cap. The fact is these people are taking a path which forces them not to fight because they think the "war" is actually the main thing about this game, or MA play as you call it. When is the last time you went to the DA? I got there acouple times a week for 1v1s but I will almost never go go into that furballing area, because the skill of alot of those players is not as high as the MA and the HOs/gangs are even worse then in the MA. If this makes you feel any better, this was the first game other then starcraft(back in the day :)) that I actually have played till just recently so this whole consoler arguement that probably took you a half an hour to come up with doesnt work, just like every other one that has been posted and been debated against.
Oh and as far as that sqaud thing goes with you trying to tell us where to fly..........stop bringing it to the bbs you have throw the name of OUR sqaud in the deepest pile of dog crap and it will take months to make us look respectable again......just a side note
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POTW drama arrives...
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40 is just around the corner!!! :uhoh
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POTW drama arrives...
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This thread started before he probably thought about coming back :rolleyes:
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anywayyyyys were not supposed to like bombers, they are here to blow ur shiznitz up. shoot them down and go bak to the furball. lets not act like there not always someone at 20k in the furball anyways. just designate the "cherrypicker" for bomber watch.
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anywayyyyys were not supposed to like bombers, they are here to blow ur shiznitz up. shoot them down and go bak to the furball. lets not act like there not always someone at 20k in the furball anyways. just designate the "cherrypicker" for bomber watch.
Bagrat, you were there werent you? we had like 4 guys going against about 15 all together....Bombers are not needed here at all, even if wed have tried to get up there, it would have been impossible due to the fighter cap.
The only person up that high that late in a fight is Kermit!!!! :D
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Watching the PoTW fight each other reminds me of two retarded kids fighting.
ack-ack
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Watching the PoTW fight each other reminds me of two retarded kids fighting.
ack-ack
You are giving them far, far too much credit.
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POTW drama arrives...
Oh Grow up, nobody but you and junky said anything about POTW. That's kinda like farting and then complaining about your own odor. Some folks are into that, we always called them jerks back home, but Assi works just as well.
Maybe they will dig up Zaxxon soon and you guys can go back to your consoles...
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-Twitchy
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Should have been locked a long time ago. Old thread.