Curious question. Why would someone want to stay in the Tower for hours or days at a time? Is it just country win perks? That doesn't seem to worth much. As posted before there are several really good high ENY planes.
One thing I've seen a lot is players who want to stay logged on but don't want to be seen in tower. Some just sit out in the open in the arena and some hide but they still aren't playing.
Ya but why would anyone do that?
Curious question. Why would someone want to stay in the Tower for hours or days at a time? Is it just country win perks? That doesn't seem to worth much. As posted before there are several really good high ENY planes.
:huh not again
Why not, it's an issue and needs to be addressed. If it's a dead issue, Hitech should post that it is and the reason why he feels it should stay as it is. Then when the issue is brought up it is "on record" and can be pointed out and so end the repeated posts.It wouldn't end the repeated posts.. Hitech has replied to several things in the past and people still post about them.
Hitech, if you change that rule, i promise that you will have one more subscriber. 15$ isnt too much, still...you're not flying anymore?
I realize war guys are nervous about spying but they should be more worried about low numbers making the game boring and their efforts fruitless without meaningful victory.
For those that love to furball and furball only.. as has beeen stated 1000's of times before, there is an entire arena dedicated to just that and it doesn't even have a side switch time limit on it. Why the instant action fighter only guys don't gravitate into there and stop beating their heads against a solid piece of granite, demanding, whining and quitting is beyond me. :bhead
It is for the perks.
Staying logged in doesn't cost them any more than not and there is always the chance their country may win the war.... especially as some of the maps are rolled very quickly. For some "earning" those perks could be a major challenge and these are easy.
It is ignorant and obtuse of you to relate furballing to the concept of having freedom to change teams. A good fight means that the numbers are reasonably balanced, there is high fidelity air to air combat taking place since this is the "heart of aces high", and there is also a good mix of players trying to capture the bases. This is a very fun atmosphere to play in. It's fun to help guys capture and base and its also fun to defend.
When changes are made around here, they are always extreme changes. For example, the one hour rule was increased by a multiple of 12. Imagine if you went on a diet and cut your calories by one twelfth, you'd starve to death. Another example was below radar, it was changed from below 1k (iirc) to 65 feet, another change by a factor of 16.
Again I'm not asking for an hour time, or even two, but it would be nice to be able to switch sides twice a day not once. You may be thinking the 12 hour rule allows you to switch twice, but no, not any practical nature. You would have to fly in the morning, switch sides as you log on, and then late at night. Lets chalk it up by saying the 12 hour rule is a switch sides one time a day rule.
Give me a 4 hour switch time and I'll be happy.
Hitech, if you change that rule, i promise that you will have one more subscriber. 15$ isnt too much, still...Ill pay 30 just so u wont come back :devil
Eny and side switching are supposed to work together, with eny acting as a deterrent to stay the high numbers side.
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:lol
Why was 1 hour so rigid and accepting for so many years, a full decade or more, and then for whatever reason
1h was implemented during the ~5 years of dual late war arenas. Once that setup was reversed back to single LW (with no caps), it also went back to 12h switch limit.
Thanks for correcting me Lusche, since you are one of the more knowledgeable here of the history of the game, could you provide a more detailed timeline?
Arena Split / 12h -> 1h rule change: Tour 80, September 2006
1.5 LW arenas (peak/offpeak system): Tour 130, November 2010
Back to single LW arena: Tour 137, June 2011
Back to 12h rule: Tour 138, July 2012
What's your take on it?
Truthfully? There is no good explanation for not having a 2, 4, or 6 hour change. Most fights don't last more than 2 hours and most furballs happen away from the base-takes (which is why the bases don't get defended well enough to kill the capture attempt).
One augmentation on Grizz's suggestion might be to examine the prime time vs off peak and have side switching become variable based on times of the day. Off peak may change every two hours and peak time may change every 4.
Either way, 12 hours is ridiculous.
We should strive to be better Thinkers than to pigeonhole ourselves into assuming the only two options are a 1 hour switch option or a 12 hour switch option.
Look at the new help channel policy that forces everyone to view the inane ramblings of those who are beyond help.
Not saying the new help channel settings make much sense to me but...
You can easily get rid of the help channel if you want to. Edit your tab settings to exlude "help messages".
That's not the point.
Why not, it's an issue and needs to be addressed. If it's a dead issue, Hitech should post that it is and the reason why he feels it should stay as it is. Then when the issue is brought up it is "on record" and can be pointed out and so end the repeated posts.
I wonder how long it will go until a response is posted. Surely improving gameplay will warrant a response.
I suppose the response could be that Skuzzy moves this thread to the Wishlist forum...
A 12 hour switch thread just wouldn't be the same without semp turning up :rofl he doesn't like the 1 hour switch because people who were flying with him all bailed out switched sides upped from the base he was capping and shot him down :devil since the 12 hour rule they just bail and don't hit 'o' on the way down when he starts talking on range :D
wasnt a response posted 2 or 3 years ago?
semp
1 hour switch time is way too long. I know that because many a time I would switch to a country that I thought was having a good fight and it would be just a base taking mission and I was stuck for another hour on the wrong fricking side.
semp
I can tell you that never happened to me one time. I switched plenty to the low side for any fight. It sounds like you switched for a specific fight that you didn't do your homework on.
A 12 hour switch thread just wouldn't be the same without semp turning up :rofl he doesn't like the 1 hour switch because people who were flying with him all bailed out switched sides upped from the base he was capping and shot him down :devil since the 12 hour rule they just bail and don't hit 'o' on the way down when he starts talking on range :D
wasnt a response posted 2 or 3 years ago?The "just cause" was the most expleining answer one could ever think about.
simple solution, allow anyone at anytime to switch to the country with the lowest numbers..one possible solution here
simple solution, allow anyone at anytime to switch to the country with the lowest numbers. You don't get to pic the side, it's an automatic switch once the player decides to switch to help balance the numbers. At the same time, Any player that is in the tower or not moving/ Playing for 15 minutes, should have their session terminated or not counted in the ENY numbers. That way the eny will be more accurate.
oh boy, you forget when we switched and we both said, crap it was the wrong side. just ask bunnies he was also there.
semp
heres the kicker guys.. as you log on, you are matched to a side based on numbers.. or better yet just stay faithful to the current eny system and expand your horizons as far as what your flying.. it won't hurt that much i promise..
simple solution, allow anyone at anytime to switch to the country with the lowest numbers.
Something needs to change.
What about this way. You sign up as a mercenary if you want. Meaning, every time you log in you are automatically put in the country with the lowest numbers. If there were enough mercenaries, that should maintain a reasonable balance eliminating ENY restrictions. My WAG is about 20% would sign up for mercenary duty. Twenty percent might not be enough.
Another thought would be the mercenary would be in the country with the lowest average rank.
And Mercenaries don't earn country win perks.
Unfortunately, us "mercenaries" have mercenary friends we like to fly with. So unless we can be guaranteed we will always be together that is a restriction of freedom as well.
Unfortunately, us "mercenaries" have mercenary friends we like to fly with. So unless we can be guaranteed we will always be together that is a restriction of freedom as well.
Its called winning.. lol :aok
And unfortunately your being able to do so with 'yer budz' might impact the "Let's take some bases / Win the map for Mother Chess Piece" crowd. So unless someone is willing to come up with a reasonable compromise (i.e. the aforementioned "press button, go to lowest side" idea) ....we are back to square one.
ad infinitum...
oh boy, you forget when we switched and we both said, crap it was the wrong side. just ask bunnies he was also there.
semp
This ad hoplitium is tiresumium don't you thinkium?
Made of unobtanium?
I haven't played in about a year, nor do I really remember, but I don't like the 12 hour rule at all. Its justification has some merit at peak hours but later in the night when I used to play, it often rendered the game a boring wasteland where at best, containing one massive horde clobbering undefended bases or a few people doing milk runs while the other two sides were battling it out.
I guess the core problem is that throughout the 12 hour shift, the balance of players substantially changes and as such, when a user logs in and switches to the low sided team, 3 hours later it may no-longer be the low sided team and the player is forced with the decision to either hide in an out-of-balance horde, do milkruns where virtually no human-vs-human interaction happens, or log off and play another game/do something else.
I believe that this is one of the factors that led to the of the decline of players during AH 'late-nights'. Why should a player pay 15 bucks a mo, to log-on and possibly get to play against other human players when the same player could play a different game with a much higher chance of action against another player?
Not half so tired as the "our way or the highway" crowd.....on both sides of this subject.
It honestly doesn't make a damn bit of difference to me either way. I'd just like to read some new arguments rather than the old and repetitive ones. At least the HOing topic seems to be making some progress....this one just grinds in the mud getting nowhere.
Funny didn't some CEO recently loose his job because a small vocal group started calling him all kinds of names on the Internet. Kind of a funny timing coincidence on this insult fest of the HTC CEO. Just before a completely new version of the game is to be released.
O bear.. you just need to land some kills already buddy! lmao... :cool:
I don't recall seeing any insult fest of HTC CEO in this discussion on ENY. Your comment is totally off base.
The 80%ers need the ability to get a breather from the 5% who would eventually abuse "at will"
I haven't played in about a year, nor do I really remember, but I don't like the 12 hour rule at all. Its justification has some merit at peak hours but later in the night when I used to play, it often rendered the game a boring wasteland where at best, containing one massive horde clobbering undefended bases or a few people doing milk runs while the other two sides were battling it out.
I guess the core problem is that throughout the 12 hour shift, the balance of players substantially changes and as such, when a user logs in and switches to the low sided team, 3 hours later it may no-longer be the low sided team and the player is forced with the decision to either hide in an out-of-balance horde, do milkruns where virtually no human-vs-human interaction happens, or log off and play another game/do something else.
I believe that this is one of the factors that led to the of the decline of players during AH 'late-nights'. Why should a player pay 15 bucks a mo, to log-on and possibly get to play against other human players when the same player could play a different game with a much higher chance of action against another player?
And unfortunately your being able to do so with 'yer budz' might impact the "Let's take some bases / Win the map for Mother Chess Piece" crowd. So unless someone is willing to come up with a reasonable compromise (i.e. the aforementioned "press button, go to lowest side" idea) ....we are back to square one.
ad infinitum...
So, you're saying a group changing sides for a fight might 'impact' a lets take a base crowd? Impact them as in fight them?
Cool story dude.. I think your square is on the wrong board..
Yep, it is a cool story, "dude". But more to the point, that's how it appears to be perceived by some who care more for winning the map than flying in the mudpit. Expand your worldview.
FYI - I did not state that I share this view. I don't. So spare me the attack the messenger tactics. I'm simply stating what should be obvious to anyone who has read these damned debates over and over again.
Not much of a debate in this thread. Since I've been away, please indulge me Mr. Messenger of the War Winnerz, what is the downside of allowing players to switch teams at a more frequent rate?
:lol
Again, I personally don't think there IS a downside to allowing it, O' Consecrated Lord of the Furballers. I simply pointed out what appears to be the core dispute at the heart of this endless argument.
Maybe if there was less name-calling sarcastic postings and more open consideration of alternative viewpoints the argument might evolve into something that HTC just might consider. But then again maybe I'm just being a bit too optimistic.
Perhaps if we pretentiously italicized key words in our posts HTC might consider it too!
Listen kid, This isn't a debate class where hitech rewards the best debater with a cookie. Either it makes sense or it doesn't. And it does, clearly. Go frolic in a flower patch.
Perhaps if we pretentiously italicized key words in our posts HTC might consider it too!
Listen kid, This isn't a debate class where hitech rewards the best debater with a cookie. Either it makes sense or it doesn't. And it does, clearly. Go frolic in a flower patch.
you guys have been debating for what 2 or 3 years? did you get your cookie yet?
semp
:lol
Again, I personally don't think there IS a downside to allowing it, O' Consecrated Lord of the Furballers. I simply pointed out what appears to be the core dispute at the heart of this endless argument.
Maybe if there was less name-calling sarcastic postings and more open consideration of alternative viewpoints the argument might evolve into something that HTC just might consider. But then again maybe I'm just being a bit too optimistic.
I still don't get how what you posted is a core dispute? This game is about air combat... Pretty sure that has been pointed out.. Please explain..
And, if you don't think there is a downside, why are you here attempting to make a point against it? If they have a valid argument let them make it.. You're not helping either side.. You're just here.. fluffing the thread..
Not seen any name calling other than you calling yourself the messenger...
A 12 hour switch thread just wouldn't be the same without semp turning up :rofl he doesn't like the 1 hour switch because people who were flying with him all bailed out switched sides upped from the base he was capping and shot him down
actually when it was the one hour switch, i would switch to the side that would give me the most kills...
a waste of time as the goons are dead. or the bombing mission that you planned gets cut short as they know exactly where you are. or the frustration of finding out that the guy you just saved is now the one who shot you down when you couldnt fight back.
I wish people were honest enough to say "I couldnt care less about numbers, I switch to get more kills", instead of this pathetic "i want to help the low side".
semp
you guys have been debating for what 2 or 3 years? did you get your cookie yet?
semp
I still don't get how what you posted is a core dispute? This game is about air combat... Pretty sure that has been pointed out.. Please explain..
And, if you don't think there is a downside, why are you here attempting to make a point against it? If they have a valid argument let them make it.. You're not helping either side.. You're just here.. fluffing the thread..
Not seen any name calling other than you calling yourself the messenger...
Thread fluffing...I had not heard that but its certainly applicable to a few. Carry on.
Not my intent to fluff this thread. My intent is to point out the need for a compromise both sides can get behind. You know, like the one from you own squad member a few pages back?
Damn. There I go again using italics. And I actually halfway agreed with semp too! Heretical! :)
I'm not asking for it to be changed back to an hour but how about some sort of reasonable freakin compromise? How can the only two options tried be 1 hr and 12 hr? There is a lot of middle ground in there.
Good points here Grizz441 :salute :cheers:
Coming from that perspective, I can see your point about the side switch times. 4, 6 or 8 hours would seem a fair amount. If someone did switch when the early US times started getting busy then by the time it's winding their switch time timer would be up.
Your last post..
From OP...
From 68Raptor...
Other than that I haven't seen anyone post much against a more reasonable switching time. The biggest resistance has been from you and semp who actually agree there should be a change made. :rofl
The entire system is broken Hitech. Eny and side switching are supposed to work together, with eny acting as a deterrent to stay the high numbers side. Since we can basically switch sides one time a day, we have to make it count. Aces high is a social game and if your playing with squad mates and want to switch sides for whatever reason, every squad mate has to be able to switch! What are the chances of that? We are completely handcuffed. Slaves to eny, slaves to a particular country, and slaves to a volatile ever changing map that might be fun on one team for an hour and then suck the next hour. If I switch sides because there's a good fight and an hour later there is nothing I'm logging! I realize war guys are nervous about spying but they should be more worried about low numbers making the game boring and their efforts fruitless without meaningful victory.
I'm not asking for it to be changed back to an hour but how about some sort of reasonable freakin compromise? How can the only two options tried be 1 hr and 12 hr? There is a lot of middle ground in there.
you guys have been debating for what 2 or 3 years? did you get your cookie yet?B29 was asked for how many times for how many years? We have a B29 now.
semp
B29 was asked for how many times for how many years?
I have tried to play again regularly many times. Normally I can easily get hyped up and log in. I log in as a Knight, but the fight is Rook vs Bish...so I switch to Rook. Play for a few hours and have some fun and the base is taken, the fight dissipates and a new one is formed Bish vs Knight. Seeing as I have 9 more hours before I can join that fight, I log off discouraged.
It is like a cascading falls...people can't play the game how they wish, so they log because they can't switch sides, which causes rants on the forum about low numbers, and so on.
Yep. It is getting so bad several of us are going to War Thunder in off peak now.....
Do you run in that game too?
ack-ack
Yep, it is a cool story, "dude". But more to the point, that's how it appears to be perceived by some who care more for winning the map than flying in the mudpit. Expand your worldview.
FYI - I did not state that I share this view. I don't. So spare me the attack the messenger tactics. I'm simply stating what should be obvious to anyone who has read these damned debates over and over again.
If they are such a strong contingent, why aren't the win the war guys more active in this thread? Hmm?
I'm not resisting anything. I just pointed out a problem. And yes, you are correct that no one other than me has brought up the problem...in this thread at any rate. Go back to others and I think you will find posts voicing these concerns.
Which I guess begs the question why hasn't anyone else stepped forward and brought it up in this thread? Who knows? Maybe everyone realizes you are right and attitudes towards this subject have changed? Maybe people are tired of a pointless argument? Maybe it's because posting an opinion on the forum even remotely in opposition to one taken by a member of your squad tends to result in that person being ridiculed, called names, and basically disrespected? Not saying that happened here, BTW, but you have to grant me that's the historical precedent....
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FYI - rereading my post I realized by my "don't shoot the messenger" I implied being one. My mistake for pushing back on that one. It was not my intent to state or imply I'm a messenger or representativ for any group.
There ya go. 8)
I always admit when make a mistake.Hmm...I'm waiting :)
semp, you have been in practically every single 12 hour switch thread ever made, you have not contributed one single rational thought to any of them, nor have you shown any ability to understand why this might affect other players, you can't even remember your points from the last thread :rofl
what rational thought have you contributed?
semp
Hmm...I'm waiting :)
This is what rational thought I read from his posts about you Semp:
1. You don't remember what you've typed in prior threads concerning side switching
2. Because of #1, you are hypocritical with your opinions regarding reasons why side switching should or should not be changed
3. You've posted in every single side-switching thread and have not contributed anything of value regarding the policy of side-switching.
I hope I didn't miss anything. I apologize to Pervert if I missed anything rational he typed.
Semp you the funniest ever
oh grizz you are the poster child of why there shouldnt be a 1 hour switch time during prime time. or you also gonna deny how you would land and see buffs upping and promply switch and bring a 262. but hey look at the bright side you did make #1 many times :salute.
semp
Semp last time I checked, bombers have guns. So what if I did that? I was flying on a side with an absolutely redonkulous green horde and I said hey wouldn't that be fun to switch sides and go fight against 20+ enemies in my jet versus fighting over scraps with a bunch of hungry malnourished hyenas like yourself. I'm proud of the fact I have a pair of balls and am not afraid to switch sides to fight against a horde, jet or not. And fyi, fighting a horde in a jet and actually being lethal is harder to do than anything else in the game. I can't even do it worth a damn anymore because I no longer have that level of skill.
so you are saying you were flying with a horde, landed at a field saw some buffs taking off then decided that you had a pair and switched sides to take advantage of the fact that you knew were the buffs were. and went hunting for them. well you da man grizz :salute :salute
semp
Looks like semp doesnt have friends from the other chess piece countries.
In fact, he doesnt have friends from any chess piece country.
and yet this reply is one more reason why non-paying customers should just go away.since its you who isnt playing atm,
semp
For?
Ah....I get it.
Am I now supposed to admit I was wrong to bring up the counter argument made by others and suggest a compromise?
so you are saying you were flying with a horde, landed at a field saw some buffs taking off then decided that you had a pair and switched sides to take advantage of the fact that you knew were the buffs were. and went hunting for them. well you da man grizz :salute :salute
semp
and well I did post a link to hitech's reason why we have a 12 hour switch time. so I did contributed something of value regarding the policy of side switching. you not accepting the reason is a different issue.
and if I recall correctly he's already "on the record" about why it's 12 hours. and it was a very simple explanation and you guys didnt like it. just like I dont like the collision model.
and you dont have to apologize to pervert, he still hasn't posted anything rational yet.
When did Semp become such a plonker?
lmao pervert... you crack me up man... 8)
semp, if you're having doubts, just read again the reply you made to grizz... kinda the point..
now, back on topic... 4 hrs seems like a nice compromise..
now, back on topic... 4 hrs seems like a nice compromise..
so you are saying you were flying with a horde, landed at a field saw some buffs taking off then decided that you had a pair and switched sides to take advantage of the fact that you knew were the buffs were. and went hunting for them. well you da man grizz :salute :salute
semp
I went through 5 pages of your last replies I found no link...Hitech has not spoken out on it since it happened. You are probably remembering this post. If not post the link here.
This isn't a link you posted its a recollection of an assumption that itself has no basis in reality, although I like the way you recall that it was a simple explanation and people didn't like it, nice touch.
See this is exactly the thing semp, changeup was able to list three points there that are rational points about you in regards to this topic, all of them have a basis in reality as I was able to prove them by your past comments via the search function. And you read his post, ignore his point of view then repeat the question :rofl this is the definition of sempism. :rofl
When did Semp become such a plonker?
pervert I wasn't asking if change up made any. posts. I asked if you have made any rational posts regarding why it should be changed.
semp
Apparently its meant to reduce wild swings in numbers between sides, the longer switch time is supposed to act as a damper on side imbalance, I can always find one side hugely outnumbering another online and for periods of a couple of hours, so I guess its a fail either way.
Undoubtably 100s in regards to side switching over the last few years with better points than whats in this thread go search them and tell me whats wrong with them, I certainly am not going to waste my time digging them up for a guy who doesn't bother reading and replying to my points.
In this a latest thread?
I am in MA atm
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And btw what I was PMed that was a source for that was as close as I got to a proper explanation from HTC well if its to do with numbers why doesn't it work? You will rarely if ever be online and see the countrys balanced.
Undoubtably 100s in regards to side switching over the last few years with better points than whats in this thread go search them and tell me whats wrong with them, I certainly am not going to waste my time digging them up for a guy who doesn't bother reading and replying to my points.
In this a latest thread?
I am in MA atm
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And btw what I was PMed that was a source for that was as close as I got to a proper explanation from HTC well if its to do with numbers why doesn't it work? You will rarely if ever be online and see the countrys balanced.
actually when it was the one hour switch, i would switch to the side that would give me the most kills. couldnt care less which country i was on or the fight, it was all about the kills. but I never went after buffs or missions that I knew about on when I switched. I flew alone or with a squad or 4 members that didnt care about switching for over 2 years. it was until almost the end of the 1 hour switch time when I noticed about how people like grizz would take advantage of knowing where the buffs were taking off and upping 262's to intercept them. and he wasnt the only one, there were a couple more that did that. a few of the guys I flew with did the same thing. I am refering to switching during prime time here. I believe it is fine as it.
as for not liking the 1 hour switch it is because you guys are wrong. 1 hour switch time is way too long. I know that because many a time I would switch to a country that I thought was having a good fight and it would be just a base taking mission and I was stuck for another hour on the wrong fricking side. like I said many times before if I was you I would ask for unlimited switch time when the numbers are low. this paragraph is for after late at night when there's only a few players. I played late at night way too many nights to know that by the time you switch then the fight dies fast or it moves to a different area and now you are in the wrong country stuck for another hour.
semp
since its you who isnt playing atm,
ther door is that way ------>
check the logs, i was scoring like 10 kills yesterday.
fail again?
Hitech, if you change that rule, i promise that you will have one more subscriber. 15$ isnt too much, still...
then why this comment?2 weeks. Nuff said.
as for me not playing. I had an accident at work two weeks ago which makes it hard for me to play. and before then I was working a lot of overtime which left little time to play aces high. now I mostly stay on squad nights or fso. I have been playing for 7 or 8 years without missing a month. but I have changed my id several times.
semp
semp
and yet this reply is one more reason why non-paying customers should just go away.Yet this is why dummys don't get to make that call.
semp
This morning I was on the Bish, had switch a few hours ago to defend against Rook hordes. There was 4 Rooks vs 4 Knights vs 20 Bish, and I was unable to switch sides for another 8 hours. 12 hour rule does not work and needs to be fixed.
Just hoped on now to check the MA. 5 Rooks, 8 Knights, 15 Bish. Yup 12 hour rule sure is keeping those sides even. :)
2 weeks. Nuff said.
Would luv to resub if the gameplay did worth 15$. The game would surely worth it, the gameplay isnt even close as i couldnt really find a fight in 2 weeks. Guessing it sucks, considering it is an air combat game or something.
By the way, let me ask, which squadron youre in?
This morning I was on the Bish, had switch a few hours ago to defend against Rook hordes. There was 4 Rooks vs 4 Knights vs 20 Bish, and I was unable to switch sides for another 8 hours. 12 hour rule does not work and needs to be fixed.
Just hoped on now to check the MA. 5 Rooks, 8 Knights, 15 Bish. Yup 12 hour rule sure is keeping those sides even. :)
This is exactly why I do not agree with the sentiments of those who think changing the time will ruin the game for those who want to capture bases, win maps i.e. I don't have hard figures, but it appears a large percentage of the population wouldn't use the time change because they identify themselves as "Rooks" or "Bish". It's my hunch only a small percentage of the AH player base would ever use the side switch.
Again, it's just a hunch. I could be wrong. :uhoh
Absolutely. The true downside to it is the chesspiece underoo brigade. They get completely bent out of shape if someone that was just on their side is suddenly on the other side, because 'How can I trust a guy that just hops sides?!'
If their mission runs into any kind of resistance, the only possible explanation is spiez, and if they see someone who was on their side a moment ago and is suddenly against them, they obviously must have ratted out the mission. They don't want gameplay, they want to toolshed.
The sad thing is, I bet there would be a market for a co-op arena, with a bunch of AI enemy planes that fly over the enemy base and put up a token defense but aren't difficult to shoot down and have no real chance of shooting the players down. Most mission runners would probably eat that up, as the general consensus among them seems to be if the mission meets resistance, it's doomed to failure.
Wiley.
heh...."chesspiece underoo brigage". :lol
In all fairness, there are spiez. What I don't understand is the resistance to the idea of spiez in the MA.
The base-taker/war-winner crowd imply the MA is a war zone. Some go so far as to state that there are no rules governing combat in the MA, so HOs etc are valid shots, don't expect fairness, yada yada yada. While I do not consider myself part of the war winning crowd as I don't care who wins the war, I 100% agree with this viewpoint. The MA is not the DA. The MA more closely simulates life in that nothing is guaranteed to be fair. It also is a war zone because objectives exist, territory is taken through the use of force, strategy and tactics are employed to obtain these objectives, etc.
So if all this is true, and war-winners like/want a war zone.....why are spiez bad? Spying has been a part of warfare ever since one of our first hairy ancestors picked up a rock and beat the brains out of another hairy ancestor. If spiez are the main resistance to side switching it appears to me to be a pretty hypocritical position to take given the other viewpoints.
The war winners don't want a war zone though. They want a token defense that has no real chance so they can get some kills as they steamroll the base. Every single time I see someone complaining about spiez it's because their mission met resistance. Not many of these are NOE missions either, these people are saying they upped and were headed toward the enemy front when they met resistance, and therefore the mission is ruined.
Let that sink in a bit. They met resistance, and their gameplay was ruined. Why are they here again?
Wiley.
This is exactly why I do not agree with the sentiments of those who think changing the time will ruin the game for those who want to capture bases, win maps i.e. I don't have hard figures, but it appears a large percentage of the population wouldn't use the time change because they identify themselves as "Rooks" or "Bish". It's my hunch only a small percentage of the AH player base would ever use the side switch.
Again, it's just a hunch. I could be wrong. :uhoh
If there are fifty of us, for example, that want it switched, that is not a small and negligible percentage of the player base. It is also a microcosm of the overall sentiment. It would be foolish to think just because someone is not on the bbs, they must not agree with us. If 80-90% of us here think it should be changed, chances are, a large percentage of non bbs players feel the same.
If there are fifty of us, for example, that want it switched, that is not a small and negligible percentage of the player base. It is also a microcosm of the overall sentiment. It would be foolish to think just because someone is not on the bbs, they must not agree with us. If 80-90% of us here think it should be changed, chances are, a large percentage of non bbs players feel the same.
BTW Grizz...you do realize you are now the one bringing up reasons why changing switch times might be a bad idea... even tho' you are for it?
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:rofl
True, but I still think the group is a much smaller percentage of the player base than the side loyal. But if you are correct it may well explain why HTC seems so reluctant to put the change in place.
I think you are misinterpreting things if you believe that.
I don't think switching it to one hour will do so either as I think the imbalance has more to do with other factors e.g. a sizeable percentage of the AH player base are "chess piece loyal".
That said, changing the time would make it easier for the population of players who don't care about such things to find a fight, especially on the larger maps.
these numbers sadden me
Absolutely. The true downside to it is the chesspiece underoo brigade. They get completely bent out of shape if someone that was just on their side is suddenly on the other side, because 'How can I trust a guy that just hops sides?!'
If their mission runs into any kind of resistance, the only possible explanation is spiez, and if they see someone who was on their side a moment ago and is suddenly against them, they obviously must have ratted out the mission. They don't want gameplay, they want to toolshed.
The sad thing is, I bet there would be a market for a co-op arena, with a bunch of AI enemy planes that fly over the enemy base and put up a token defense but aren't difficult to shoot down and have no real chance of shooting the players down. Most mission runners would probably eat that up, as the general consensus among them seems to be if the mission meets resistance, it's doomed to failure.
Wiley.
I don't think players for the most part are "side loyal". I think they are "squad or friend loyal". I also think most in the community could care less about switch times.
I would wager of all the folks who do care about switch times, that most are if favor of reducing them and the loud minority of this group favor keeping it at 12 hours or more.
A simple poll would bring forth most of those who care about this issue. Those who don't care would still not care or they would give some thought to it and make a decision. For those who still don't care, who cares? they obviously could go either way! Thus their input is irrelevant.
JUGgler
I don't think players for the most part are "side loyal". I think they are "squad or friend loyal". I also think most in the community could care less about switch times.
Really? I think you should ask around outside of the AoM / Blue Knights circle. You might be surprised by what you hear.
I'm assuming members of your clique care to hear and consider dissenting opinions rather than dismissing them out of hand. The established historical precedents are not of joining together, holding hands and singing kumbaya for either side of the issue.
Most of us have been here much longer than you and know more people in the game than you. We also fly on all sides and hear everything they have to say about it.
very true bear cough* cough* but attitude goes a long way too.
Just go to a 2 side MA. Problem solved
Just go to a 2 side MA. Problem solved
WBs was two sided. We had balance issues that became more problematic over time as the numbers declined.... But we at least could balance it out more easily than in here.
Really? I think you should ask around outside of the AoM / Blue Knights circle. You might be surprised by what you hear.
I'm assuming members of your clique care to hear and consider dissenting opinions rather than dismissing them out of hand. The established historical precedents are not of joining together, holding hands and singing kumbaya for either side of the issue.
Why would I ask outside of these groups? If I wanted information or knowledge about something, would I not seek out the best if I could? You do not go to a grade school teacher to learn the complexity of calculus!
Every single member in the AOM / Blue Knight circle started and inhabited our place outside of that circle. These 2 groups (not the only 2) have cultivated a wealth of AH2 experience and understanding, and if the majority in groups such as these think a certain way, maybe just maybe it is from experience and "time served" NOT because I/they are part of some clique!! The members of these 2 groups are some of the most opinionated, single minded d0vchebags I've never had the pleasure to meet. They know this game cause they came up thru it. There is no clique, there is a standard!! The standard is not what you think it would be, but make no mistake the standard is high!
Let me speak for myself, as I know 1st hand each of them has no issue with speaking for themselves.
#1 - I do not consider AOM, Blue Knights and others a "clique".
#2 - I have no problem dismissing "out of hand" any dissenting opinion if I think it is wrong.
#3 - These groups "and others like them" have more experience, knowledge and understanding of this game than virtually all other groups combined.
#4 - The opinion of these groups weighs more than the opinion of others who have not the same experience, knowledge and understanding.
#5 - The long term historical precedent you speak of is rife with the experience, knowledge and understanding of these groups of players.
#6 - The 12 hour rule is a detriment to game play, it hinders choice and freedom. It stifles fun and it is one of the reasons I no longer play.
#7 - Changing it could be one of the reasons for my return!
JUGgler
CLIQUE: a narrow exclusive circle or group of persons; especially : one held together by common interests, views, or purposes.
Ref: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/clique (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/clique)
"Elitism is the belief or attitude that some individuals, who form an elitea select group of people with a certain ancestry, intrinsic quality or worth, higher intellect, wealth, specialized training or experience, or other distinctive attributesre those whose influence or authority is greater than that of others; whose views on a matter are to be taken the most seriously or carry the most weight; whose views or actions are most likely to be constructive to society as a whole; or whose extraordinary skills, abilities, or wisdom render them especially fit to govern."
Ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elitism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elitism)
ELITISM: 1. The belief that certain persons or members of certain classes or groups deserve favored treatment by virtue of their perceived superiority, as in intellect, social status, or financial resources.
2.
a. The sense of entitlement enjoyed by such a group or class.
b. Control, rule, or domination by such a group or class.
Ref: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Elitist+snob (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Elitist+snob)
SNOB: A snob is a person who believes in the existence of an equation between status and human worth.[1] The term also refers to a person who believes that some people are inherently inferior to him or her for any one of a variety of reasons, including real or supposed intellect, wealth, education, ancestry, power, physical strength, class, taste, beauty, nationality, fame, extreme success of a family member or friend, etc. Often this form of snobbery reflects the snob's personal attributes. For example, a common snobbery of the affluent is the belief that wealth is either the cause or result of superiority, or both.[citation needed] Both definitions are used as a pejorative.
Ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snob (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snob)
Thank you for your refreshing honesty, candor and input. Also thank you for making my points more eloquently than I ever could. :salute
To be honest you do look like a what is it the muppets say ankle humper? :rofl
I see this has digressed to personal attacks.
oh wow, did you participate in the first a few pages back?
semp
I see this has digressed to personal attacks.
To be honest you do look like a what is it the muppets say ankle humper? :rofl
Pretty much.
No. I have no interest in humping any ankle or joining any clique. I am merely defending my opinion. Do you have something constructive to add to the conversation?
I cannot really keep posting it just makes me feel like I am bullying semp and wasting my time at the same time, I just thought that was funny I have noticed it in a general sense were you in their squad or something?
Oh sump, the envy in you is strong.
Where did you learn to argue? He didn't say "he switched to take advantage of the fact that he knew where the bombers were", he said "he switched sides to fight against a horde"! Is there something wrong with your comprehension and or reading skills?
JUGgler
oh grizz you are the poster child of why there shouldnt be a 1 hour switch time during prime time. or you also gonna deny how you would land and see buffs upping and promply switch and bring a 262. but hey look at the bright side you did make #1 many times :salute.
semp
Semp last time I checked, bombers have guns. So what if I did that? I was flying on a side with an absolutely redonkulous green horde and I said hey wouldn't that be fun to switch sides and go fight against 20+ enemies in my jet versus fighting over scraps with a bunch of hungry malnourished hyenas like yourself. I'm proud of the fact I have a pair of balls and am not afraid to switch sides to fight against a horde, jet or not. And fyi, fighting a horde in a jet and actually being lethal is harder to do than anything else in the game. I can't even do it worth a damn anymore because I no longer have that level of skill.
I cannot really keep posting it just makes me feel like I am bullying semp and wasting my time at the same time, I just thought that was funny I have noticed it in a general sense were you in their squad or something?
apparently there's something wrong with your comprehension and or reading skills. let me show you the original quotes.
and here's grizz's reply.
as usual first he admits he was flying with the "horde". then he admits he switched to take advantage of where buffs were taken from, as he landed on the same base. and second he "forgets" that it was during prime time when it was a "horde" against "horde" as you like to call it.
like I said, you guys are the exact reason why during prime time there shouldnt be a 1 hour switch time. after hours it's a different story.
semp
Why would I ask outside of these groups? If I wanted information or knowledge about something, would I not seek out the best if I could? You do not go to a grade school teacher to learn the complexity of calculus!
Every single member in the AOM / Blue Knight circle started and inhabited our place outside of that circle. These 2 groups (not the only 2) have cultivated a wealth of AH2 experience and understanding, and if the majority in groups such as these think a certain way, maybe just maybe it is from experience and "time served" NOT because I/they are part of some clique!! The members of these 2 groups are some of the most opinionated, single minded d0vchebags I've never had the pleasure to meet. They know this game cause they came up thru it. There is no clique, there is a standard!! The standard is not what you think it would be, but make no mistake the standard is high!
Let me speak for myself, as I know 1st hand each of them has no issue with speaking for themselves.
#1 - I do not consider AOM, Blue Knights and others a "clique".
#2 - I have no problem dismissing "out of hand" any dissenting opinion if I think it is wrong.
#3 - These groups "and others like them" have more experience, knowledge and understanding of this game than virtually all other groups combined.
#4 - The opinion of these groups weighs more than the opinion of others who have not the same experience, knowledge and understanding.
#5 - The long term historical precedent you speak of is rife with the experience, knowledge and understanding of these groups of players.
#6 - The 12 hour rule is a detriment to game play, it hinders choice and freedom. It stifles fun and it is one of the reasons I no longer play.
#7 - Changing it could be one of the reasons for my return!
JUGgler
Snake bitten by semp logic again. Well played sir, your pragmatism is over shadowed only by your flying. :salute
This thread is Semptastic
it's funny how you muppets derail your own threads about side switching time.
semp
Why would I ask outside of these groups? If I wanted information or knowledge about something, would I not seek out the best if I could? You do not go to a grade school teacher to learn the complexity of calculus!
dude my squad has nothing to do with this. when I speak, I speak for myself and not for my squad.
and trust me you arent bullying me. you actually make me laugh.
semp
apparently there's something wrong with your comprehension and or reading skills. let me show you the original quotes.
and here's grizz's reply.
as usual first he admits he was flying with the "horde". then he admits he switched to take advantage of where buffs were taken from, as he landed on the same base. and second he "forgets" that it was during prime time when it was a "horde" against "horde" as you like to call it.
like I said, you guys are the exact reason why during prime time there shouldnt be a 1 hour switch time. after hours it's a different story.
semp
Ah. Another elitist. Get ready for the critics.
- oldman
Why elitist?
I do not seek information or knowledge from those who know less than I, seems kind of inefficient. If I can get information or knowledge from someone who "thru their "actions" and deeds has proven their superiority in said subject, why wouldn't I and why do you see that as elitism?
JUGgler
Even if this thread doesn't facilitate change, we learned some new semp-isms and discovered a new muppet ankle humper in fulcrum.
Really?
Are you seeing something that I'm not?
Are you an attorney? Your desperate search for logic through illogical interpretations is fascinating.
JUGgler
oh grizz you are the poster child of why there shouldnt be a 1 hour switch time during prime time. or you also gonna deny how you would land and see buffs upping and promply switch and bring a 262. but hey look at the bright side you did make #1 many times :salute.
semp
So what if I did that?
Semp last time I checked, bombers have guns. So what if I did that? I was flying on a side with an absolutely redonkulous green horde and I said hey wouldn't that be fun to switch sides and go fight against 20+ enemies in my jet versus fighting over scraps with a bunch of hungry malnourished hyenas like yourself. I'm proud of the fact I have a pair of balls and am not afraid to switch sides to fight against a horde, jet or not. And fyi, fighting a horde in a jet and actually being lethal is harder to do than anything else in the game. I can't even do it worth a damn anymore because I no longer have that level of skill.
Independent of Hoplite's reply, you don't think all the points listed skews their perspective? The group listed is not typical of the average AH player. Quite the opposite in fact. Your idea of stifling fun could well be seen as protection from spiez by the majority.
Wiley.
Independent of Hoplite's reply, you don't think all the points listed skews their perspective? The group listed is not typical of the average AH player. Quite the opposite in fact. Your idea of stifling fun could well be seen as protection from spiez by the majority.
Wiley.
So if the 12 hour side switch rule isn't effective at balancing the countries, and it isn't good at controlling spiez, what purpose does it serve?
If 12 hours is too long to wait, then do what most of the guys in that group do and get a second computer and second account.
dude my squad has nothing to do with this. when I speak, I speak for myself and not for my squad.
and trust me you arent bullying me. you actually make me laugh.
semp
I cannot really keep posting it just makes me feel like I am bullying semp and wasting my time at the same time, I just thought that was funny I have noticed it in a general sense were you in their squad or something?
He wasn't talking about you or your squad. I think you are easily the most defensive person on this board and you take a lot of what is said out of context or as a personal attack. Granted, you have earned some of them.
sorry bear you can actually see how anybody could have misunderstood that :rolleyes:The word of the day kids is, Comprehension.
semp
I remember when that never happened.
Back in the day folks could hop sides every 45 minutes and STILL whined and bellyached
it was way to long.
ROX
You can lead a horse to water it seems....
:headscratch:
I did nothing more than point out a problem I felt the proponents needed to address to get HTC to take it seriously. I even admitted I'd like to see the change enacted myself.
I also pointed out that historically some proponents tend to be less than open-minded about opposing points of view. JUGgler then proceeded to make statements that I will charitably term.....ahhhh.....'incautious' and 'poorly articulated'.
I simply took his own statements at face value and used them to dispute his claim that his group is not a clique (it in fact meets the criteria quite nicely!).
His statements seem to also indicate a high sense of self worth and an elitist worldview. I'd point out this might explain his not being open to other opinions, but I think you get the point...
No personal attacks. No names. No need to resort to crude stratagems to get one's point across....even if it is still completely lost to some.
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tootles.
Where is that beating a dead horse emotacon? Skuzzy: we need one.
(http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-think007.gif) Things that make you go "hmmmmmmm...."
:rofl
Where is that beating a dead horse emotacon? Skuzzy: we need one.
This is a "game" that asks you to think strategical in ACM (for the moment) and longer term (for half a day).
If you cant look at maps and gameplay and look STRATEGICALY ahead at least the few hours the game asks, then you either need to cut back on the caffeine or bennies or go play Slingo.
Back in the day folks could hop sides every 45 minutes and STILL whined and bellyached
it was way to long. There is no pleasing some folks.
If 12 hours is too long to wait, then do what p do and get a second computer and second account. You can eyeball the enemy's moves on one PC and go kill them on the other. Evidently this is not frowned upon by HTC hierarchy because I see it every day. I guess as long as the extra cash keeps rolling in it's fair game.....lame or not.
ROX
Do you follow channel 200? This occurs many times a day.
Not anymore, but I grant you it's a good point.
A follow-up question: Do you show mercy to those who say foolish things on 200?
:D
200 is a constant display of people who say foolish things. If I responded to it I'd never have a chance to fly.
Quoting yourself? Same here. :D
:lol Oh come on, Bear. Not every time for sure.... but I've seen you and others flay and fricassee some for far, far less.
Not normally. I did so because I realized MrGeezer might have a plausible answer for the question I posed.
And unfortunately your being able to do so with 'yer budz' might impact the "Let's take some bases / Win the map for Mother Chess Piece" crowd. So unless someone is willing to come up with a reasonable compromise (i.e. the aforementioned "press button, go to lowest side" idea) ....we are back to square one.
ad infinitum...
Going way back here in the thread, but how does allowing players to change sides more frequently impact the "lets take some bases" crowd? I'm asking for the logistics here, not philosophical fluff. Please explain.
It affects them thus, If they happen to fail at taking said base then they have the immediate and palpable excuse that Grizz was on our side 20 minutes ago, and now he just killed the 32 jugs, 17 bombers and 47 goons in our mission!:lol :aok
It is very unfair
Mind you now, the 96 attackers in this mission was NOT unfair in the least to them, in fact it should have been 97 but you Grizz, just you changed sides and swung the balance unfairly!
You're a baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaad man!
:aok
JUGgler
Lusche should make a pie graph of a breakdown of the number of posts per user in this thread so fulcrum can see how much fluff he has contributed. The number of words would be a good one too.
Well I thought I contributed something positive. It seems as if people still continue to derail the original motive. People always have to have the last word.
I can see feelings were hurt. I apologize.Apparently there are hurt feelings, but not ours.
I should not have used JUGGler's own words to point out the glaringly obvious.
Enjoy the High Road. :salute
You can lead a horse to water it seems....
tootles.
I would ask for it to be cut in half, 6 hours. Surely 6 hours would be better that 12 and surely it would be an easier sell.
Baby steps.
Yeah, I know, I don't have a horse in this race because JG11 does not switch sides.
But if I were trying to get the 12 hour rule changed, I would not ask for it to be changed to 1 hour, or eliminated.
I would ask for it to be cut in half, 6 hours. Surely 6 hours would be better that 12 and surely it would be an easier sell.
Baby steps.
I really want my friends to enjoy the game, if this helps that enjoyment, yeah.
cept for Wiley, I hope he is miserable
Trouble is baby is stuck in the phase where he can't even seem to roll onto his belly yet.
The solution is obvious, make it one hour off peak and no hour at all when switching to the lowest side. Those that don't ever switch don't lose anything and frankly it's just sour grapes protesting at this point.
Sir, if you're "sour grapes" comment is directed at me, I protest. I support reducing the switch time and as I have stated it will not affect me. I support it because I want my friends that do switch to enjoy the game and keep playing.
I put forth the "6 hour" suggestion as a way of beginning to reduce the time, not as the ultimate "don't go lower than 6 hour switch". I understand 6 hours is certainly a compromise but it is a start.
Yeah, I know, I don't have a horse in this race because JG11 does not switch sides.Some people have jobs, families and social lives. Most don't spend more than 3 or 4 hours a day on the game. So if they switch, they're still stuck until they log in the next time.
But if I were trying to get the 12 hour rule changed, I would not ask for it to be changed to 1 hour, or eliminated.
I would ask for it to be cut in half, 6 hours. Surely 6 hours would be better that 12 and surely it would be an easier sell.
Baby steps.
I really want my friends to enjoy the game, if this helps that enjoyment, yeah.
cept for Wiley, I hope he is miserable
So what is your point? speak up don't be shy.
Guess what? there are plenty of people far better than you and I at an infinite amount of things. You are better at many things than others. For the sake of not appearing elitist should I weigh the advice and thoughts of those less informed equally with those more informed? seems a waste of time. No Thank You
My very simple, easily understood point is that it is better to take the considerations of those far more experienced in subjects more seriously than from those who know less.
It is not an elitist statement, it is truth.
As far as using my words, please try and use them in the proper context as they were intended!
JUGgler
I don't think I was shy at all, JUGgler. I used your words exactly as you stated them.
Why don't we take this up via PMs rather than derail this conversation further? It was not my original intent to set you and other AoM members off on another forum witch trial....
(http://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y389/Decio_Pacheco/thCAC9PC89_zps71455382.jpg)Was that supposed to be funny?
nope just true..Double fail.
Sir, if you're "sour grapes" comment is directed at me,...
I own all of you.
You got that PM thing down. I think you have one of us on speed dial as many PMs you fire off at them.
Why don't we take this up via PMs rather than derail this conversation further? It was not my original intent to set you and other AoM members off on another forum witch trial....
You got that PM thing down. I think you have one of us on speed dial as many PMs you fire off at them.
Yeah, ok Capt Creeper.
Ye gods you guys bore me.
Yeah, ok Capt Creeper.(http://newteacherwife.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/free_candy.jpg)
Why would I ask outside of these groups? If I wanted information or knowledge about something, would I not seek out the best if I could? You do not go to a grade school teacher to learn the complexity of calculus!
Every single member in the AOM / Blue Knight circle started and inhabited our place outside of that circle. These 2 groups (not the only 2) have cultivated a wealth of AH2 experience and understanding, and if the majority in groups such as these think a certain way, maybe just maybe it is from experience and "time served" NOT because I/they are part of some clique.
You seem to largely mistake talent for experience.
The groups you refer to are largely talented within the context of the game.
In both if my professional lives, these two are not mutually exclusive and anyone who treats talent and experience as mutually exclusive is someone looking for an excuse to under-perform. Talent can be obtained from hard work and experience. Experience is the fundamental trigger for talent
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In both if my professional lives, these two are not mutually exclusive and anyone who treats talent and experience as mutually exclusive is someone looking for an excuse to under-perform. Talent can be obtained from hard work and experience. Experience is the fundamental trigger for talent and at a very minimum it's absolutely necessary to get to levels above neophyte.
To argue that is to simply be obtuse.
I own all of you.woah now!! :headscratch:
ROFL, Since you are trying to argue your view point of the definition of talent vs experience , are you being obtuse?Dale, could you shorten the switch time... I thank you in advance.
HiTech
ROFL, Since you are trying to argue your view point of the definition of talent vs experience , are you being obtuse?
HiTech
In both if my professional lives, these two are not mutually exclusive and anyone who treats talent and experience as mutually exclusive is someone looking for an excuse to under-perform.
Play on words Dale? That's a lightweight response.
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Sorry if it has been brought up already. Before I post my idea I will let you know that I just thought about it very shortly so there may be some flaws.
What if we had a system as to where we could switch sides every 1 hour only at off peak times?
Something else that I'm sure could be coded, what if there was a system that when numbers got to a certain low threshold, they could have it be enabled to allow switching until numbers reballanced?
Once again this isn't thought out. But, I figured since very little positive input that Grizz was talking about was put into this thread I might as well contribute something in the right direction.
When I flew a lot I hated the 12 hour switch time just sayin'.
Then you read it exactly as it was intended.
HiTech
Then you read it exactly as it was intended.
HiTech
Yes sir I did. I was just shocked you couldn't tell the difference between points being argued and why one is not the other. I was also shocked that you chose to respond to someone other than the OPs question. That simply solidified the OPs contention that the 12 hour rule is an elephant in the AH living room.
And where is my RV8 ride?
You sure you could handle an RV8 ride? It may be to shocking for you.:)
HiTech
You sure you could handle an RV8 ride? It may be to shocking for you.:)
HiTech
Changeup seems to have a lot of experience with being shocked, so he may be desensitized by now. :airplane: :aok
Welcome to the party. Unfortunately most the guests have already left, the cake is gone, and the keg is empty.Hoplite still has candy in his creeper van
Yes, I'm still shocked at your lack of skill after all the hours you've spent chatting like a lonely woman on 200Fixed
You can tell me where and when and I'll be happy to let you judge for yourself.
Yes, I'm still shocked at your lack of skill after all the hours you've spent playing the game
Pwning roughly 95% of pilots, at will, in random 1v1 encounters in-game is far from "lack of skill". Hearing HiTech cry "mommy" on 200 as I downed his three bombers in my mighty Spitfire is certainly not due to a "lack of skill". :joystick:
Downing Shane, with substantial frequency by his own admission, is not "lack of skill". Downing Debroby in one turn when he said I couldn't last three is not "lack of skill".
Must I dig up all the old posts of pilots stating that I am a good fighter pilot? Must I? :headscratch:
On second thought I'll just ignore your silly "lack of skill" statement and let it roll off my back. :)
Lack of skill, indeed. :rolleyes:
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Pwning the 95% doesn't make you skilled, lol. Pwning the 5% does.
Pwning the 95% doesn't make you skilled, lol. Pwning the 5% does.
You'll be shocked, I say shocked, to know that pwning the 95% obviously makes me skilled, by any reasonable person's definition,
You forget to factor in your choice of aircraft. Also your statement implies a simplistic linear curve.
You'll be shocked, I say shocked, to know that pwning the 95% obviously makes me skilled, by any reasonable person's definition, and pwning the 5% would simply make me the best. :joystick:
There is a wide gap between being highly skilled nuff to pwn 95% and being the best #1 pilot winning three TOCs. Bruv knows. Bruv knows indeed. :aok
Consider yourself as standing corrected. :old:
I forgot no such thing.You were horrible when I played under my regular name, and pretty recently, you were horrible when I went against you with my shade. Hell, ive thrown my joystick across the room mid flight and performed better ACMs than you've ever done. You've found your calling. Just stick to the tower jocking and 200 nonsense. You seem to be a tad bit better with words than a joystick.
Everyone can choose whatever aeroplane they like in the MA, and obviously with me saying there is a wide gap from pwning the 95% at will, to being the best implies far from a linear curve... exponential or log normal with a long tail would be more accurate.
Now, more than nuff said about Changeup's disparagement of my skii. :)
Truth is truth and cannot be denied, for very long. :old:
Everyone can choose whatever aeroplane they like in the MA,
You've been weighed, measured and left wanting little Midway. With your time in the drivers seat, you should be lethal to all in the Spits but you are not.
That's true, but then you are more discussing results than skill.
So you do see a non-linear progression. How do you propose to climb the increasing angle, with geometrically increasing practice hours?
Hoplite still has candy in his creeper van
95% is pretty darn close to all when looked at from a distance and purely based on number of pilots. Take out a measuring tape, pull it to 95 inches or centimeters, reflect on the length of the tape in front of you, then, after you've reflected, pull it out 5 more inches or centimeters and you'll see the size isn't noticeably bigger.
Having done so myself just now, I can tell you it will give you a proper perspective.
It is too bad that the last five inches or centimeters is so hard to pull and takes so long to achieve, and I admit to the likes of a pilot like a triple TOC winner, I am but a toy to their awesome skills.
I have made great progress, verified by many via pwnage delivered, and certainly have significant skill :joystick:
Now, way more than nuff said. :)
Passion directed at an insurmountable obstacle is passion wasted. :old:
BlahTell you now, dont be a bustr and post a wall of **** if you want me to read what you type.
Actually, this is called quitting, accepting failure, rationalizing an unaccomplished goal. Nothing more, nothing less.
I call it relocating resources after succeeding to pwn roughly 95%, at will. A notable accomplishment. :aokLOL really??
A very very good question, Nrshida... and a true example of your occasionally expressed genius. You are a wise person, Nrshida.
I was already at my limit with 350 hrs in a tour.
but this implication is something that will follow me forever now.
I also loved this game and the community....but this implication is something that will follow me forever now.
So thanks again....much appreciated.
LOL really??
:eek: :eek: :eek: Good grief! Over a month's tour that's an average of 11.7 hours a day including weekends. How can you find your flying logs per tour?
:salute FPH Grizz :rock
That was easy, I didn't keep logs since spending time improving skills and pwning was far more important. :aok
Sorry, my mistake. Should read "reallocating resources":salute lol
Fixed.
Thank you. :salute
Pwning the 95% doesn't make you skilled, lol. Pwning the 5% does.
You'll be shocked, I say shocked, to know that pwning the 95% obviously makes me skilled
Bullseye.
No, dear boy, the 95% in game are not equal to the 5%.
The 5% consists of many children and players that started as children. Their skill level stems from the fact that they started their AH careers as sponges with lightning reflexes. Those who did not start as children, for whatever reason, were able to play the countless hours necessary to master this game.
The 95% are normal people who don't spend unrestricted hours playing this game. They have lives and families that don't allow them to master cartoon skills.
Saying that you "pwn"... (<--in the ridiculous childish vocabulary that seems to infests the rocks in your head and probably the poison that prevents your understanding of the world around you) ...the other 95% is equatable to clubbing baby seals, though in this case they are who they are for valid reasons and mostly don't care enough to show you how average you are.
(http://i.imgur.com/4AZO3Jj.gif)Exactly.
If I might add a suggestion.
AH is a squad oriented game. Whereas I do agree with the 12hr time limit, maybe it could be allowed that a squad member could be allowed to follow his squad leader to another country if he has switched once already. ???????????????????????
I understand a person might want to flip if he comes in alone to a country and discovers he can get some good fights in, alone, by switching sides. Then his squad logs in and he wants to then fly with his m8's. Many squads have cross time zone members so they log at different times. I can see where someone could get trapped in a country.
Or maybe there could be a minimum time limit applied, 5 min, where if you log in and you switch countries with in that 5 min, cuz your alone and want to balance a furball out, you do not get tagged with the 12 limit. Then a player could switch to the squads country, triggering the 12 hr limit. ????????????
There will always be losers who deliberately game the system, but should honest peeps pay the price as well? Some peeps will do anything for game ranking, getting thier 15 minutes of fame.
Personally, I would drop the ranking, the stars, let the perks be the reward. This another subject entirely tho. Flying a perk plane will be tell tale enough for someone to gauge his opponents skill, maybe. I play for the fun, the battle, the campaign, I do not care whether I am known as the best or the worst.
This is a game, it is suppose to be fun, should customers not have fun while waiting for their squaddies?
Just a thought.
:salute
allz i know is don't do what warbirds did.. ok you feel me?
no unfortunatley just a schmo that enjoys aces high and doesn't want to see it go belly up..
allz i know is don't do what warbirds did.. ok you feel me?
Has HiTech even responded to any of this?
I haven't read this whole thread and I know this subject has been run through the ringer. But I think long side switch times could be a factor as to why numbers have dwindled over the last few years. I didn't really switch sides, but did have more fun when others did. The idea of "spies" SHOULD be part of a war game, if nothing else it adds to the intrigue. Make the game interesting again!
PLEASE!
P.S. have they spread those factories out yet?
Have played many years, could care less about the side switch times, but if it helps keeps people around then it should be looked at, again.
:salute
Changeup! WOOT
We need more Twitter..........been ded lately
AH is a squad oriented game.
it is?
country loyal squads are what's throwing off the numbers to begin with.
True. Bip is now tweeting @xBLiMxThey might not want to follow me, I get vulgar and very abrasive.
This person has a point.
Yes, and it's on the top of his head.
They might want to follow me, I get vulgar and very abrasive.
Experience is the fundamental trigger for talent and at a very minimum it's absolutely necessary to get to levels above neophyte.
To argue that is to simply be obtuse.
Not you ;)I need to start proofreading what I type.
when did the irrelevant cannon fodder get so opinionated?
Yes, and it's on the top of his head.
Ah. My mother always said I was obtuse. Good to see there's confirmation.
I'm just trying to figure out how come I know so many talented people who really don't have all that much experience...
- oldman
You confuse potential with talent.
Or, to my point, think how talented they'll be WITH experience. Such a tough concept. I hope a few people in here don't actually hire people for their organizations, lol
Dear winky and friends,
Please STFU you and your idiots :)
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,361408.0.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,361408.0.html)
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:cheers:
You confuse potential with talent.
Or, to my point, think how talented they'll be WITH experience. Such a tough concept. I hope a few people in here don't actually hire people for their organizations, lol
what do you mean?, i thought ranking only gets lots of of us old farts young girls <sarcasm font> now you make it as if lots of us come here to get a job based on how well we rank on this game. call my manager tell him that I am overpaid :rolleyes: :rolleyes:.
semp
Profound use of the English language. Your red nose and clown feet must have gotten in the way. Now move on Nancy while the adults talk.
He already knows...he keeps you around for the humor you provide to your co-workers with your hideous understanding of English writing and comprehension. WTG! Lol
Yes, and it's on the top of his head.
Another great late night where we are slaves to the switch rule, no fights. Thanks.
I think I spent about 4 hours on the game so far tonight. 20 minutes has been in the air. The other 3 hours and 40 mins were in the tower looking at massive green dar bars wishing I could switch sides.
Profound use of the English language. Your red nose and clown feet must have gotten in the way. Now move on Nancy while the adults talk about cartoon planes.
If you can't switch sides, why did you switch to the bigger side in the first place? If you didn't switch that day already nothing stops you from switching.
I switch to the side that is getting horded the worst. Numbers don't mean anything. I have seen a country with 40% of the server population LOSING because the other 2 sides were beating the crap out of them.
But fights don't last all day long. Fights only last about 1 hour maximum (from my personal experience). So after 1 hour the previous fights have died off and the side that was being horded is now on the offensive and a different country is now being horded on two fronts. Now I can't switch sides and join the fight because I have to wait 11 hours. So my options are to either join the mass of green planes, circle a virtually undefended base for 10 mins while everyone blows up the town, takes the base, and do it again. Or, I can sit in the tower chatting with my friends until something fun happens or I get bored and log off.
I think I spent about 4 hours on the game so far tonight. 20 minutes has been in the air. The other 3 hours and 40 mins were in the tower looking at massive green dar bars wishing I could switch sides.
are you contradicting yourself? so do numbers mean nothing or something? or are you blaming the game because you made a bad choice when you switched sides?
semp
You are trying to make an argument from your inability to comprehend what people are saying in this thread. Just stop...
are you contradicting yourself? so do numbers mean nothing or something? or are you blaming the game because you made a bad choice when you switched sides?
semp
Hitech when the only person that is in your camp is semp, its time to make a change. :roflThe only reason he is on HT's side is because he obviously doesnt understand the words he is reading.
The only reason he is on HT's side is because he obviously doesnt understand the words he is reading.
Bless his non-comprehending heart.
Hitech when the only person that is in your camp is semp, its time to make a change. :rofl
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Oh hell naw, you guys leave my happy bellybutton outta this
You are trying to make an argument from your inability to comprehend what people are saying in this thread. Just stop...
Hitech when the only person that is in your camp is semp, its time to make a change. :rofl
oh the shame you are a muppet, that's it you are on my ignore list :rofl :rofl :roflBut I have been for months, probably over 6 months now :old:
semp
I switch to the side that is getting horded the worst. Numbers don't mean anything. I have seen a country with 40% of the server population LOSING because the other 2 sides were beating the crap out of them.
But fights don't last all day long. Fights only last about 1 hour maximum (from my personal experience). So after 1 hour the previous fights have died off and the side that was being horded is now on the offensive and a different country is now being horded on two fronts. Now I can't switch sides and join the fight because I have to wait 11 hours. So my options are to either join the mass of green planes, circle a virtually undefended base for 10 mins while everyone blows up the town, takes the base, and do it again. Or, I can sit in the tower chatting with my friends until something fun happens or I get bored and log off.
You are trying to make an argument from your inability to comprehend what people are saying in this thread. Just stop...
But I have been for months, probably over 6 months now :old:
And for all but a week or so of that time you've been inactive. Coincidence? I think not! :old:
Best I can tell, the proponents of the side switch rule are in the minority albeit they are loud.
The three country seems to be a more significant problem with the players numbers we have now.
The 12 hour rule want fix that problem but would open avenues for new problems.
Not a bad thought, but just curious, why specifically, do you agree with the 12 hour rule?
Explain what new problems would be caused by changing the 12 hour rule...
To stop those that would use it to ruin others gameplay. We all know it would happen.
To stop people from using it to hunt specific players for revenge because its how some peeps are.
To stop those from ruining mission planners attempts to take mud. Spies are every where.
To stop those numbnuts that would flip around and troll the text coms, flame baiting. Peeps say crap cuz they can, no real repercussions from behind a KB.
Basically the same reasons why the 12hr limit was probably implemented in the first place.
I personally like the 5min grace period idea. Gives squad players a chance to play alone till their squad shows up. The game is about FUN. Striking the right balance is always hard to do, there will always be those that are unhappy about something.
There will always be spys and trolls flame baiting. Spying is part of real war. The 12 hour limit has not stopped this, nor would any other method. Flame baiting is part of our nature, those with weak minds anyways.
Remember folks, this is the only flight sim like this left. When its gone, there will not be another. Be careful what you wish for and demand. Selfish customers is what killed FA. Warbirds was to pricey. All the other flight sims, ie: IL2 and WOP, are low player number servers....................
:salute
classic example, spawn camping, x amount of guys sitting in a circle with their engines off shooting someone who is stupid enough to keep spawning in, the guy spawning in has very little chance of making it through the first 5 seconds.
This is the gheyest AH activity I've ever heard of. Why would anyone find this rewarding? Why doesn't HTC randomize the spawn points?
Profound use of the English language. Your red nose and clown feet must have gotten in the way. Now move on Nancy while the adults talk.
Changeupp preaching to his queer boys
LISTEN TO ME
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:rofl
Nice contribution.LOL you thread sucks dood it just you and you ankle jumpers.
I don't bother you when you're romancing your farm animals.
Shopping around for the best kill area would be tops I would say. It happens now but it would be more intense with a reduced side switch time. I may be wrong on this but I suspect a good portion of the reduced switch time group are shoppers now.
Pwning the 95% doesn't make you skilled, lol. Pwning the 5% does.
LOL you thread sucks dood it just you and you ankle jumpers.
:rofl
That already happens when you log in with the ability to change sides being immediate. There are really only two maps that provide endless fights at a couple of bases so it wouldn't matter which side because the opportunity is the same for both sides.
You arn't even part of the 95% you suck so bad your part of the -95% club
:rofl
This one is an example of why Darwin's theory is wrong.
you need to learn how to use gifslol that's a great site :aok
:headscratch:
you want my come bro?
Someone doesn't know what gifs will get ya banned. Can't accuse Meg of thinking before posting.
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You mean like the Humping stick figure gif Blu sent to skuzzy?
You mean like the Humping stick figure gif Blu sent to skuzzy?
I post what ever I like and nuthin happens to me :neener:
Arlo are we on the same side for once? wtf.
Arlo are we on the same side for once? wtf.In because BluBerry told me to. Merica.
Finn poo'd his pants and changed his gif's, lmao!!!!! Guess he realized he was going full retard again.
Arlo are we on the same side for once? wtf.
And back across that line he hops.
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It was just for you changeupp.... kinda like the picture of me was just for Pinky :cheers:
Btw I think that was your daughter :uhoh
dude who the hell are you..? and what is your problem?I'm the Puppet nightmare, I don't have a problem :aok
Arlo ....let be serious here these idiots sit here and make crap all day, everyday, everywhere.....in the game and out.... then they try to pull the reins when there beaten down like dogs they are crying mommy ban the bad man what a bunch of women .... its flippen crazy that these griefing pukes are still around here. That's all they do.
I don't think any of them offer anything to the community accept GRIEF period ...OH! and their 15bucks. Accept maybe fester and that's more like a 35good-65bad deal and maybe blu and his spacy sights...which have nothing to do with the art and science of WW2.
27 pages of beating semp and hoplite and any 1 else that goes against them. All the sudden there is some kinda line for these what 15 sideswitchers?
Well I'm your daddy....
They can all come at me Bro. :aok
Whatever they are or aren't, you aren't any better. In some ways you got worse.In some ways you have to step in it .......or roll in it to smell just right
i think you were born blue.. not enough oxygen to your brain huh champ?
Yeah.... the doctor dropped me :t
Stay Back,
do you believe these fairy tales?? ^^^ I dont..
He's an angry pet of the Muppets. He gets twisted up periodically over the repeated pwnage of his little self.
If you can show me where you gave accomplished this at anytime be my guest :aok
:aok :)
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Calling a group the "vocal minority" seems to be a new argumentative tactic intended to outweigh their voices by using a catch word. We are not the "vocal minority" we are the VOCAL BLOHARDS and have had enough of this crap. A day of reckoning is coming where AH truly will be a ghost town if things don't change, mark my words.Take Care!
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